Prince Harry’s Armchair Expert podcast blindsided the palace, you guys. I mean, the interview surprised everyone, because we didn’t know it was coming, we hadn’t emotionally prepared ourselves, and Harry spoke in greater depth about his life and his mental health than we’ve ever heard before. Did Harry make a few “swipes” at the Windsors? For sure. I still say one of the most damning things to come out of Harry’s mouth, ever, in history, is this: “I’ve seen behind the curtain, I’ve seen the business model and seen how this whole thing works. I don’t want to be part of this.” That is a grown-ass man saying that he wants no f–king part of the Windsor family business because the business is bullsh-t. So yes, he blindsided the palace and all of these courtiers can’t just sit there and be self-reflective about anything. No, they have to make a point of “not commenting” on the record (neither Buckingham Palace nor Clarence House have officially responded), but of course “palace insiders” will still bitch about Harry to the Daily Mail:
Palace insiders have hit back at Prince Harry’s ‘unhelpful’ podcast swipe at his father for ‘treating me the way he was treated’ and inflicting ‘genetic pain and suffering’ before he fled to Los Angeles.
Neither Buckingham Palace nor Clarence House were commenting last night but it is clear they feel frustrated the Duke is continuing to talk publicly about deeply personal family relationships.
A source said: ‘They appear to be making careers of talking about their previous ones. It is not helpful.’ Insiders also noted ‘nothing ever appears to be their own fault’.
Prince Harry blasted Prince Charles’ parenting as he poured his heart out to a US mental health podcast and said he moved to California with his family to ‘break the cycle’ of ‘pain’ he suffered as a member of the Royal Family.
The show promoted his Apple TV+ mental health series with Oprah Winfrey, The Me You Can’t See, which premieres next Friday – and it was also promoted in a tweet by Dax.
Did palace insiders listen to the pod? Did Prince Charles? Because he wasn’t actually saying “none of this is my fault, it’s all on my family.” At no point did he say anything like that or suggest that. In fact, he spoke about how he wasn’t assigning blame for the generational trauma of the Windsors. He took responsibility for his own sh-t and his own behavior and his own mental health throughout. It sounds like Harry keeps on taking ownership for his part in everything that happened, including his family’s exit from the UK, and that ruins so many of the palace talking points, which are racist and misogynistic. Also, “THEY appear” and “their.” Why is Meghan in this? Meghan is minding her business in Montecito. The continuous desperation to rope Meghan into Harry’s decisions and his press is really tired.
The Mail also made several remarks and references to Harry’s “American twang.” These people, my God. They’re going to cry so much when Harry becomes an American citizen.
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Good For Harry!!!
The number one podcast right now is The Armchair Expert. Prince Harry is trending and I see so many good discussions surrounding mental health right now because of the interview, save for the BM of course.
Herry & Kate should be the king and queen yasss
@Susexxxy…. Harry has a wife , her name is Meghan.
“As for what the UK press might do, they’re probably going to pick a part what he said about parenting and his father and past trauma’s. But hey, thats the uk press for you”— me, yesterday
The UK press is so predictable. Harry didn’t say anything about prince Charles that hasn’t already been wildly reported on by the same people screaming bloody murder now. They should thank him for giving their words an ounce of validation to be honest.
“ The UK press is so predictable. Harry didn’t say anything about prince Charles that hasn’t already been wildly reported on”
And by Charles himself!! Harry said nothing new that hasn’t already been reported on endlessly and has been dramatized on The Crown. But how dare Harry not grin and bear it in silence like the generations before him in order to keep the monarchy going.
Right? Didn’t Prince Charles say in that Jonathan Dimbley interview that the Queen and Prince Philip were terrible parents? In many ways, Prince Charles was a better parent than his parents, but he’s still a Windsor. And every generation tries to do better than the one before, that’s just human nature.
If anybody on here has a link to that doc, i would sincerely appreciate it. It is so wildly known that charles had a distant relationship with both of his parents that The Crown devoted a whole episode on it. Charles went to gordonstoun and everybody knows he had and extremely difficult time there. Its 100% possible for parents to take that trauma with them into the upbringing of their own kids albeit unconsciously. Which is why harry said that its nobody’s fault.
Yep, Harry didn’t say anything that “royal experts”, the BM and Charles himself haven’t been saying for decades.
@Cecilia, found this one by Sally Bedell Smith
https://archive.vanityfair.com/article/2017/4/the-lonely-heir
Ooh, I’ll bet that Baldemort is incandescent and Keen Guevara is gearing up to broker peace between the two brothers!
Can’t wait!
(No, actually, I can wait. I’m so glad that Harry and his family are in Montecito and that he is growing in self-awareness. I see such good things ahead for him, for Meghan, and for their family).
OMG arent they exhausted by their ownn BS. So everytime H opens his mouth they will be a UK media meltdown. These journalists should be ashamed they wasted their time in Uni for this crap. I honestly hope some of them deep down realise how ridiculous their stories are but are just in it for some worth while payout.
The UK press is predictable – they are doing what they always do, which is twist something he said, take it out of context, and then use it as a talking point to attack Harry.
One of my high school teachers (who is older, loves the Queen, and isnt a big Harry/Meghan fan) said something on FB this morning like “what is Harry trying to do? He left, why is he always airing public family grievances?” I asked her if she had actually listened to the podcast. She didnt respond. LOL. (I don’t think she likes me that much anymore because I always correct her about royal stories.)
Honestly, maybe the royal family is mad about this interview, maybe they’re not -but the British press definitely are, because they are the ones who came off looking the worst.
They’re upset for multiple reasons. One of them being that they can’t write the narrative for him anymore.
I also think they are upset because maybe they are finally realizing harry can’t be controlled by them. And if they seriously piss him off he’s going to pill all the beans. Harry more than anyone knows where the bodies are buried.
While I agree with you in spirit, Doubtful Harry will “spill”.
What we are all reading now in the media, is a new reborn Harry.
This is what makes the Royals upset.
True, they are realizing they can’t control him, but from here, it looks like Harry just wants peace.
He’s really a matured guy.
Diana would be so proud.
As you said Becks1, maybe the royal family is mad or maybe they’re not. I imagine the RF sighs in relief every time Harry talks and does not reveal what he actually knows. There are prob so many details and secrets he could drop but in this case it wasn’t really anything new. But it was just enough to get the BM distracted so the RF is prob grateful for the gift. Jason who?
The same British press that has published many articles and aired many shows about the difficult relationship between Charles and Philip. What hypocrites.
I spent a good deal of middle and high school reading biographies about medieval royals. It’s not what I reach for now, but I still enjoy fact based fiction about that time period from time to time. When I read these posts, I’m constantly thinking about how important it was to have the people on your side then, because there were always pretenders, or legitimate contenders for the crown. Royals would spend money for singers to sing their praises, or for people to spread gossip in the pubs, etc. to keep people supporting them. It seems strange after all of this time, it’s the same game, even though no one is trying to take their place.
Good point Janet, it is the same game. I guess now they are fighting against the abolishment of the monarchy?
Nothing really changes all that much. What’s fascinating is if this was how monarchies of brown and black nations operated. It doesn’t seem like it. Typically, it seems it was a challenge of strength. Not this gossipy bs. However, monarchies from nations of color don’t get a lot of air time in the media landscape so, I admit it’s a narrow knowledgeable I’m familiar.
No one’s trying to take their place? Well, maybe let’s look at it this way:
– the line of succession is set, and is predictable
– but someone was dissatisfied with the system and set up a ‘rival court’
– the armies of supporters (comprised of online fans, of media outlets) are ‘at war’
– not for their favourite to acquire the THRONE (which no longer has power) but for INFLUENCE (which does).
Viewed through this lens, it’s a tale as old as time.
Oh, my goodness @Prairiegirl What a lens to look through!!! You have touched on a viewpoint I’d not considered.
The royal fam are pissed about losing (did they ever have any) influence/
The carnival of wishful experts definitely used to have influence, but now they are shut out of the loop and are mad
It’s not about ‘power’ per se,
it’s all about influence
like the kind the Queen used to hide her wealth and shite like that
Harry has the right to discuss his own mental health. If that impacts the palace, perhaps help should have been more forthcoming.
Perhaps people should start having a serious look at the monarchy. Its not normal that a 6th in line can “damage” the BRF if he truthfully speaks about his experience.
I sincerely believe that Harry was personally thrilled by every little Cambridge birth that pushed him down the line.
Very good point!!
@merricat I’m pretty sure Harry said as much in a comment. I believe it was around when Charlotte was born and they asked how he felt about moving down. He was totally fine with being pushed down the line of succession.
Far more serious is that Palace insiders have gone to the BBC, declare that Meghan has ‘radicalised’ Harry.😕😕😟😟😟
It was the key topic on Radio 4 this morning.
WTF narrative is that the courtiers have sanctioned??
I really hate having to pay the bbc tax particularly when they are far from impartial as they claim.
Was it the palace grey men who said Harry was radicalized or the BBC? It sounds like it was the courtiers.
What’s the difference between courtiers and palace grey men? I thought they were the same
BBC said that Meghan radicalised Harry? Reallly? WoW super shocking 😡🤬🤯…but are british people taking it so hard that Harry said that hé didn’t want that life anymore? That he is ungrateful?
Man, the BBC is telling on itself. Where does the tabloid narrative end and the mainstream media narrative begin? Or has that Venn diagram become 1 circle? Radicalized. Damn. “Nope, no structural racism here! Not at all, I tell you!”
I saw one or two times where I saw BBC invited daily mail and daily mirror editors and they were doing a review of different headlines…I mean I was shocked cause british ppl always told me that no one read tabloids but here they are invited like legit journalists!! I am french and I am so angry by the way they cover Meghan,prestigious magazines like Figaro,le Point or l’Obs(pretty progressive) all vomit everything tabloids are saying,nothing journalistic at all,even documentaries are interviewing the likes of Angela Levin or Camilla tomimey…I don’t understand and I am always writing to them to tell them to have some journalistic integrity: and I know we hated Brexit and the way british tabloid covered it so why tape their words on Meghan? It is unconscious bias and maybe an american hatred….I am so frustrated by it…
“Radicalized” is the language used for ISIS and other terrorist organizations. So Meghan is a terrorist bent on destroying the monarchy? Sure, everything is calm and rational at BP, move along, nothing to see here…
I am taking that advice “move along nothing to see here”. I suddenly remembered quitting getting all involved watching the soaps and being upset about the events on some soap opera I “had” to keep watching. It was hurting my pleasure in life. I “moved on ” Repeating my moment of good sense now……
Agreed, Eurydice. Radicalized is exactly what you call a terrorist. The fact that they are using this language about Meghan and Harry? There are a whole lot of people who need to get into their own therapy, I am embarrassed FOR them. Yes, look hard at the happily married man and his wife, that will detract from your own empty lives. Better yet, go look at your version of happy, I’m sure Wills and Kate would be delighted anyone was paying attention to them in the first place. They will be sure to warm you up from the inside, with their, you know, love.
BBC has sunk to a new low even for them. It’s also not the first time the UK media has tried to tie Meghan to terrorism. Harry is the perfect advocate for mental health awareness. It’s very sad to see such behaviours from the press during mental health awareness week. It just goes to show how many only pay lip service to the cause. Honestly, many of them needs mental health healing because this is not healthy.
“Radicalized”? That is a dangerous, threatening word. Those people need to get their heads out of their stuffy dank arse-holes, but since when do the slimy tentacles of an ingrained, outdated, racist power system politely admit wrong and resign? The best we can do is mock them. Keep calling them out. And pray for the safety of the Sussexes.
The use of the word “radicalized” by BP and the British media is truly disgusting. Just when I thought that hateful island could not get any worse.
Taken in the context of death threats again Megan and Harry, lies printed about her and the fact she was nearly driven to suicide this beyond evil. I have continued to watch in horror as my birthplace continues to escalate in exhibiting rampant xenophobia racism. I thank God I left that shit hole 12 years ago. And as a black woman nearing 50 living in the Middle East I have never felt more contented to have left. I’m only frustrated that I cannot persuade my younger sister to come and live with me.
England yes England forget it. What I’m going to say is controversial but no black person will ever truly belong. The only thing that makes me go back is to visit my sister and elderly parents otherwise I’d never set foot there again. Harry can never take Megan and their children back it’s truly dangerous.
I am so sorry, Melly. Truly, I cannot imagine that amount of fear, when just visiting your family. I am sorry.
The Windsors and the sycophants should get over themselves. Harry was so gracious to them , he didn’t go after them like they deserve and if they listened to the podcast like sane pple without an agenda they would agree with everything harry said .
BM as usual were busy acting the fool but thankfully pple are calling them out
What’s ironic is the generational trauma of the Windsors is self inflicted. It’s sound victim blaming but what I mean is these people convinced themselves that they must sacrifice their own happiness to do their “duty”.
Maybe the queen, maybe Charles do it for “the duty”, most of them do it to live off the perks and not actually work enough to live where and as they do.
I think only the queen is doing it “for duty”. Charles would have bolted, if his life hadn’t worked out exactly how he wanted it to, after Diana died.
The Fail is dealing with a core who will never actually listen to the podcast and hear Harry’s words. Harry was right, no one should keep repeating this crap. I’ve not looked at the Fail in years and I won’t. It’s giving them money.
In this case I don’t think the Palace has said anything. The people speaking on behalf of the palace are “palace insiders” so most likely RRs. The RRs are annoyed because during the podcast the British press were labelled as abusers and Dax Shepherd mocked the royal expert industry. The RRs are not happy with Harry’s attack on their industry. So the mass disinformation project is now in full swing.
I loved that part so much, listening to Dax and Monica crap on the “royal experts”. In my opinion, they should’ve been even harsher on them!
An ideal response from the Palace would be to say something like what the Queen had said before – “H&M will always be part of the family, we love them and wish them well.” And with that statement, an internal one to the staff – “STFU, mind your own business and get back to work.”
Another thing that’ll be winding them up is his statement that his real education wasn’t at school. Eton’s all about perpetuating privilege and instilling arrogance, entitlement and lack of empathy in the ruling class. Harry saying that his real education was in meeting people from all kinds of backgrounds from all around the world will not be going down well.
Yes Lolo. The dissemination of information is coming from the BM and I will always believe from William too. They were mocked badly and rightfully so by Dax. “Palace insiders” is such a joke. “Palace insiders” don’t know the meaning of being helpful. Whether it’s the rota or a true palace insider saying this-telling Meghan while being pregnant and feeling suicidal- that it would look bad to the monarchy for her to get help, is the definition of not helpful. I have zero doubts that Meghan was told this. The Armchair Expert podcast with Harry actually has a chance to help telling people they’re okay and can get through things. I’ve been tempted to look and it’s hard not to, still might, but I’m expecting the 3rd member of the triad , the vomitous mass named Dan Wootton, to write another last straw story.
Tweet of the day: https://twitter.com/schaekay1/status/1393173350495760388
And, btw, Harry was not paid to be on the podcast.
I always switch to a different channel or turn the telly off whenever jeremy vine comes on. He is trash and his show is trash.
It says this tweet is not available to me. Same with three other tweets I tried to read yesterday on royal threads. Do I need a twitter account to read them?
Harry’s free and he knows where the bodies are buried, and they can’t stand it.
“Generational trauma” is an excellent way of describing this entire situation that the entire RF are finding themselves in. It was already 1981 when Charles willingly went along with marrying a 20 year old with zero life experience for no other reason than her virginity and aristocratic blood. As soon as Harry was born the marriage was effectively over and Chuck expected them to just quietly keep up the appearance of a happy family, while he privately sort of hated his wife. I cannot even imagine what that does to a child in that situation. Toxic does not even begin to describe that type of behavior. Now a grown man with the knowledge of the situation, I mean, where does Harry even go with that?
I enjoyed Harry’s and Dax podcast but I think the Sussexes need to “get on” with their own podcasts in order to call attention to some of the real problems in the world instead of attention being focused on the BRF which is never going to self-examine, let alone change and move forward, until Charles III hits the throne. I am really looking forward to the podcast from Archewell Audio.
Footnote: Harry and Meghan’s problems are real and I am in no way trying to shade them but the Sussexes problems are not world threatening problems. The Sussexes have so much good to do moving forward.
Harry is promoting his mental health series that’s he’s doing with Oprah on AppleTV. That’s the entire point of this podcast interview.
Agreed Mary. He’s promoting mental health and discussing HIS mental health and dealing with iit . How is that not moving on and whose biz is it ?
I’m shocked anyone on this forum would assume what Harry should or not do. That’s appalling. Sorry Harry is not meeting your needs. This is the worst comment, I’ve read in forever, BTB. Such judgement I’m over people judging those talking about mental health. Lucky they care less about you. I had terrible family drama and still discuss it as mental health after 40 years. If you said that to me, I’d rightly tell you to f off. I help people daily. Unlike some.
That whole comment is shade so forget your ‘defence’
Yup – it was talking about mental health, which of course ties into his family – as a promotion for his series with Oprah. So it wasn’t just a random “let me talk to Dax about my family” kind of deal. I also think someone yesterday was right – that I wonder if this also ties into Dax’s move to Spotify. Like if Spotify put them together.
we discuss what M&H “should or shouldn’t” do daily around here — you should have read the run up to the funeral and just how many people were upset with him for ::checks notes:: TALKING to his brother in public.
I get what BTB was getting at – strike while the iron is hot with so much momentum for so many great projects they have going on. Bay has never been judgy about the Sussex family.
You can defend based on past, that comment was out of line. Defend all you want. Anyone else would be rightly pilloried.
Did not mean to throw shade. SurelyNot expressed what I was trying to say better than I said it.: “strike while the iron is hot with so much momentum for so many great projects they have going on”.
I have really been looking forward to the Archewell Audio podcast because this is something the Cambridges could never do let alone pull-off successfully to a global audience.
@Bay I think they are focusing on putting together a quality podcast, we know it was only a few months ago that they hired the lead people for Archewell Audio, so I would expect to see a podcast maybe in the next few months? I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re actually recording them now and are going to release them over the summer when both are on parental leave.
Can understand striking whilst the iron is hot but they already have a few projects coming out right now & too much might be overkill. Harry has this mental health series out in next few weeks& Meghan has a book next month. And they will shortly have a baby. So people need to be realistic about output.
@ Calibration
I don’t need permission to defend a fellow poster that has an extensive history of respectful and intelligent discourse on this forum.
She gave an opinion — no deserves to be pilloried for having an opinion that differs from the hive. The basis for this blog is that we DON’T engage in the type of attack dog mentality that others do and have respectful interactions throughout. The writers work hard to moderate any disrespect.
It’s a GOSSIP site with BITCHY in the name — we gonna gossip and we gonna bitch
They likely won’t be doing any more podcasts till after Meghan is back from maternity leave. She is taking a much deserved rest right now — to be sure, she was robbed of a peaceful and happy pregnancy the first time. I truly hope for her sake she is experiencing that joy now, and I for one am more than happy to wait until she’s healthy, healed, and settled to hear from them. She’s no longer anyone’s workhorse, as black women are so often expected to be.
They just participated in a whole concert benefiting “real world” problems. They are partnering with Proctor & Gamble to help address “real world” problems. And guess what, people complained about that too. So I think the Sussexes have done an excellent job of moving forward, its the UK press and the wretched family that are stuck in the past. And if you are doing a special on mental health, which is a “real world” problem then is it outside the pale to talk about your own issues too?
This is what I was going to say. This podcast where he discussed his mental health is related to his production on mental health which is airing later this month. They just did the VaxLive event that raised a lot of money fir COVID-19 vaccine distribution and just signed a huge partnership deal for Archewell. Meghan’s book is releasing next month and they are hiring their production team. They are very very busy. Harry knows that whatever he does is going to bring smoke. This was before they left and still happening. Harry and Meghan could form a knitting circle and they’d still get this unhinged reaction from the press.
Harry’s words really stuck with me: “Hatred is a form of projection – we’re not born to hate people…… It manifests itself over a period of time and it comes from a place of unresolved pain– ultimately, there’s a source for it. There’s a reason you want to hate somebody else. When it comes to trolling on social media I take a moment to look at it and say, okay, this is how it’s making me feel, but I flip it and say, okay, how’s your day going? What happened to you? And actually have some compassion for them. Which is hard when you’re on the receiving end of some vile, toxic abuse; but I try and think, what’s your goal? What made you come at me?”
If he has that kind of insight, he probably realizes that he’s a convenient “scapegoat” for the family. A role best fulfilled from several thousand miles away.
Bay, I didn’t feel like the podcast focused on the BRF all that much. I saw it as more of a peek into what makes Harry tick, and a nice back-and-forth exchange between him and the hosts.
Psssst…..this isn’t about you nor was done for you, assholes.
Hehe, exactly. Salty b*tches stay salty.
I keep hearing the story that Harry purportedly wasn’t diagnosed with dyslexia until he was 17-18 years old. If true, he was truly failed at every level because it boggles the mind that someone from a family so financially well off, who went to one of the most world renowned schools (Eton) and likely had or at least had access to the best tutors and no one realized that he had a learning disability. It is shameful and mind boggling.
I believe he has not been or felt valued and seen as expendable by the Windsors and the firm.
It likely wasn’t even that no one realized…..it was that no one CARED. Had it been Will that would’ve been addressed IMMEDIATELY. He’s truly been the afterthought his entire life and that did not change until he met Meghan.
I will bet you anything it was the people in his military regiment that diagnosed him and got him treatment.
@Snuffles – I was thinking the exact same thing. The military screens for all problems in order to give aid to overcome the identified problem and become the best that you can be. This is true in the USA and UK so I am sure it is true for all armed services of the world.
All the fancy British “public” schools did not identify Harry’s dyslexia because they were not looking for it and did not care to look.
If I remember correctly there’s quite a few royals around Europe who’s diagnosed with dyslexia or had/have it without being diagnosed. When you have distant and not so distant relatives with a common problem after centuries of inbreed, they should’ve payed attention to it from early on. It’s child neglect by the richest family in Britain and the elite school.
I was shocked too because even people with far less resources in the 80s and 90s got proper diagnoses even if too many fell through the cracks. This was plain child neglect.
I think they also don’t really value education. They get the appearance of it, w the best schools etc but the Windsors overall don’t seem v bright or intellectually curious to me, inc Charles, who seems to me more of a poseur. Diana, who always put herself down that way, seemed to have far more emotional intelligence and curiosity, and I think that’s where Harry got his similar skills. Also, some of my smartest friends and colleagues have dyslexia and , hard as it no doubt is, it also seems to give them a genuinely different, creative way of seeing things…
When hugely powerful racist, sexist, classist institutions are having an existential crisis about a f-ckin podcast, I would say that’s a fairly good indication you’re doing something right. And the thing is, Harry made clear during the podcast that he just doesn’t give a sh-t about them anymore insofar as their unhinged smear campaign against him. He may as well have declared that he’s not going to engage with his abusers at all and focus exclusively on building his life and supporting his causes. I don’t think the BM quite understands this— that the closest they’ll get to Harry now is through lawsuits.
Interesting that he’s grappling with the complexity of US first amendment law/culture. Definitely not easy to navigate.
‘not helpful’ to the toxic royals and their minions, for sure. No argument palace asshats
As Harry said in the podcast, the British media believe they own him. Harry must not speak about his own life experiences and he certainly should not give credit to Meghan for helping realise that he need help. The BBC rpyal correspondent said today that that palace believes that Meghan radicalised Harry. This is why Harry makes no distinction between the tabloids and the so-called mainstream press. They’re all the same.
So shut up and carry on is to stay in place even when you leave? I would think the keenbridges being so keen about mental health might want to endorse his candidness on these issues, but nope. They only show up looking the part, when they is real work to be done that’s when they go sheep farming.
Yes, isn’t this what they “encourage” others to do? And why aren’t any UK mental health charities speaking up?
I am LOVING THIS!!
Dax has a twitter following of over 1M. Just think how many more people who were probably not as informed on the B/S bullying campaign against H&M will now see receipts in the clap back against trolling comments. The more they bitch and moan, the more receipts will be posted under the crappy lying bots and trolls and the more vindication H&M will receive.
Charles told the whole world that his parents were cold and distant, that he never loved Diana and he blamed his father for forcing him to marry her.
And he’s the next King.
I hope Harry keeps talking and the BM’s heads continue to explode.
Yeah true…. in many ways he’s following on well trodden paths with all of this.
Still, good for him! I hope he keeps going – if this helps take the monarchy down, I’m all for it! I think in the ’90s after all the Charles & Di interviews/media (plus Fergie/Andrew), the Queen managed to keep things together only by the skin of her teeth.
I live in a country w/ the Queen as head of state. I do not want Charles to take over when she passes.
It’s either Charles or William (if Charles dies before the queen, if not then William). Good luck.
My dad had a bad relationship my mom due to his alcoholism, he was a loving, but not perfect dad to his daughters, and he screwed up while raising his sons, all because he was making the same mistakes as his mom, repeating her model, instead of following his father style.
He was SO not aware, and it was what many others were doing at the time, being tough and all that. He fell into (sort of) functioning alcoholism maybe to deal.
I later reflected on it while in therapy, because the family dynamics did stunt me emotionally, too, but my brother had it worse. I always loved him, and finally forgave him and even when I was not the most hurt by all that. My brother found other (healthy) ways to cope. He also worked at a resort, mingling with tourists and once told us how hard it was to keep smiling to people all day, even when he was off, going to the workers’ area, if he found some tourists, he had to be “on”, and he was one of the “handsome”, “charismatic” workers that had an enviable life in the eyes of many.
Thinking of that, I understand Harry, but I cannot understand the kind of pressure he was on.
I am glad that they recognized he had a choice to go away and make a new path for his family. He deserves all opportunities he has. Yes, he is privileged, but I also think he is very deserving. I loathe those naysayers who attack this little family. Despicable. HE is not hurting the royals, he is reacting to what the press did, ad what the family has done due to “traditions” and the pressure of the same press against the family/courtiers’ way of life who want to see the business model.
I don’t think in there royal families things are so hurtful to their members. Not giving the -British tabloids a click again if I can help it.
edit: -OTHER royal families, not in there
Deflection, deflection, deflection. One thing Harry said over and over in the podcast was that the BM, social media, etc., are making money from their invented stories. They stir up the controversies, create sides, cause “wars” all to keep their audience hooked. This is the story the BM doesn’t want the public to know and they’re just twisting and writhing to cover that up.
It’s so smart to leave Meghan out of it right now. This is Harry’s story to tell, his history in the RF, his mental health struggles, his choices in finding a solution – he needed to speak for himself and he did it clearly and forcefully.
I haven’t heard the podcast, but if that’s one of the main thing he said, the RF should be all over it and support him. They should use what’s happened during the last years to make a clear break with the RR system, and take a clear stand against fabricated stories about them, bullying and racism, but they won’t.
After listening to the podcast, I decided to watch The Truman Show to see what it was all about. It was freaky how real a comparison it seemed to royal life. That some else is scripting your life and that if you even attempt to fight back they will do everything possible to thwart you. All this while the world looks on at you too!
Oh Lordamercy
Do they actually think that Meg sends Haz off with a kiss and tells him “now do you have the notes I typed up for you? Pay special attention to page 3, that’s the really important one where I am radicalizing you. Oh! And Haz? Remember we practiced your American accent!!! Ok bye love you drive safe”
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Great link to article on the Prince Joachim, the former Danish spare, if Kaiser will allow: https://royalcentral.co.uk/europe/denmark/prince-joachim-says-he-is-struggling-to-find-his-place-in-denmarks-royal-family-159959/
I think a lot of agony and dissatisfaction could have been spared for many “spares”, if they were given “freedom” from an early age. They should’ve been told: “Yes, you are born into a royal family, and you’ll always be a part of the family, but you’ll not be working for the family (firm). Get an education and a job and live your life the way YOU want!”
It sounds like his family dealt with the issue better and didn’t make him the family scapegoat. The British RF could learn a lot from other royals.
Very interesting, thank you for sharing that. Joachim seems to have been spared the kind of tabloid aggression Harry (and Meghan) got?
I’ve often thought of writing a book on the number of “runaway princesses” in European history, from Lady Arbella Stuart to Grand Duchess Maria Pavlovna (Princess Maria of Sweden) to of course Diana and Meghan.
There was a lot of aggro about Joachim maybe 5-10 years ago, about his expenses, his estate in northern Denmark. Before he and wife 2 moved to Paris. The move seemed successful for them. Again moving to his wife’s home country as with H&M.
Interestingly wife 1 who is biracial was very popular with the Danish public. His popularity definitely waned after the divorce.
“Insiders also noted ‘nothing ever appears to be their own fault’.”
And what exactly is their own fault? Meg and Harry did nothing wrong. At all.
Harry has acknowledged and apologized for many things over his lifetime. When has William ever admitted anything as his fault?
“And what exactly is their own fault? ”
The Daily Fail and their posse of Royal Ratchet Rats are referring to Meghan’s bad press. Their party line seems to me to be that Harry never had bad press, or any problems for that matter, until Meghan came along radicalized him into a California Fruitcake “Woke” willing to chase the almighty US Dollar.
I grew up in a smallish town. Once I went into the military and moved around, I realized there were other ways of handling situations than what my parents did. That knowledge and growth made me firmly say ” I will never treat my kid like that, nor do this….”. I was not placing blame on my parents, they did what they knew to be right. As people experience personal growth through life, you realize you want more for your children, and that is all he was saying. We ALL look back on our upbringing, and tweak it to benefit our children’s future. That how society get’s better.
“These people, my God. They’re going to cry so much when Harry becomes an American citizen.”
I used to discount talk of Harry becoming an American citizen because I thought that he was true blue British, so to speak. He served in his nation’s armed forces, he served as a royal — his life was about service to Queen and country. But he was abused beyond belief, recovered with the help of his wife, and is determined to be open about his own mental health struggles and help others with their mental health struggles — candor and help he couldn’t offer as a royal. So now it wouldn’t surprise me if he became naturalized some time within the next five years. At the very least, I imagine he’ll claim dual citizenship. YES! Welcome to America, Harry!
JFC with the British media – they twist themselves into ridiculous pretzels so as to be outraged! offended! aghast! At absolutely nothing. I mean, nope. Zip. Zilch. Zero twang detected. Using the American word “highway” instead of the English “motorway” does not an American twang make. The grasping is embarrassing.
I love that Harry and Meghan admire each other so much. It always comes through.
I listened to the podcast because I expected that the British press would make a mountain out of whatever he said…and then he went on to say pretty much “nothing” about his family–with the exception of a few things about his mom. He does, however, mention how the British tabloids have convinced everyone (including themselves) that they own the Windsors-Mountbattens and it shows in their constant coverage.
There nothing in this podcast about Prince Charles or the Queen that has not been stated years back-they called the Queen a detached mother-that picture of Charles holding on to a railing was the saddest picture of him as a child-he looked like he really needed a hug-Charles has already said that Prince Phillip child rearing was brutal to him-Prince Phillip did not think Charles showed strength to be heir to the throne-Prince Phillip did not like the things Charles found as an interest during his childhood-Harry saying some child rearing practices has been handed down is correct-Practices he does not intend to impose on his own children-Paddling children was the thing when I was growing up-by parents, schools, and other adult figures-Children advocates stated we were showing children how to solve problems through violence-Hence most schools in the USA have eliminated paddling-What Harry is saying somethings have to change over time and his and his wife decisions about how they rear their children will be decided by them-People know certain things can be passed down to the next generations-alcoholism, molestations.physical violence, etc.-So what Harry is saying is correct about passing down negatives to other generations. Harry has a great voice to speak about important issues of our day-Frankly I am glad he and his wife are doing what they think is good to do in this troubled world.
I think the real warning example for Harry should be his grand-aunt Margaret. She wasn’t even allowed to marry the man she wanted and her life story was one mess after another. She was just expected to be her sister’s backup and have no life or say in it at all.
It is crazy for me as a French that BBC airing ppl saying that Meghan’radicalised’ Harry? A prominent and national channel saying those irresponsible things when Meghan’s life is threatened…but at the same time BBC apologized for airing that horrible image of Harry with a gun on his head which distressed Meghan when she was 5 months pregnant ….and tabloids are taken so seriously in England and their editors talk on important channels like BBC…like in France 2 or TF1,we never interview editors of Closer or Voici so I don’t understand when some British ppl says that they don’t read tabloids…they have infiltrated mainstream media in the UK
James O’Brien recapped the interview very well.
https://twitter.com/WilsonsWorld/status/1393222003704967170
Yes he summed it up nicely and it was very helpful. What’s nice is how much of Harry’s decency, energy, contradictions and curiosity shone through. Also he likes In-N-Out burger. A real Californian.
Prince Harry was intelligent, witty and knowledgeable about the discussed topic. I thoroughly enjoyed listening to him.