I’ve said this a few times, but doesn’t it feel like the press on Salty White Folk Isle are kind of going through the motions on the “Prince Harry’s Armchair Expert” controversy? Like, it was never a controversy in the first place. It was an in-depth interview about Harry, his mental health and what he’s learned. While he referenced the Windsor family, he wasn’t even spilling any major or even minor tea. Oh, he had a dysfunctional childhood and so did his father, scandal! So all of the royal commentators’ breast-beating and wailing has a performative aspect, like “here, let’s make this into the new terrible thing” or “how dare he speak of grief weeks after his grandfather passed away.” The British media is exploiting Harry and Meghan’s names, yet again, because they know their readerships and viewers either love them or love to hate them. Speaking of exploitation, Camila Tominey thinks Harry should be super-worried about how the American media might be exploiting him and his wife. ORLY.
Prince Harry should consider what he’s really achieving by speaking out about his mental health battles, and be mindful of the impact on the Queen and Prince Charles, a royal expert has claimed. Speaking on This Morning, royal editor Camilla Tominey was reacting to the Duke of Sussex’s recent podcast with US actor Dax Shepard, where he spoke of suffering ‘generational trauma’. Camilla said Harry was entitled to share his story, but added there was ‘a degree of exploitation’ going on, and that interviewers were only thinking of the ratings, and don’t take into account the fallout.
‘I think you can talk about your own mental health but you have to be aware of the consequences on other people’s,’ she said. ‘Like the fact the Queen has just buried her husband, the father of Prince Charles, and then the son is over across the Atlantic having a go about the way he’s been brought up.’
‘Going over to America, the other side of the coin you could say is that there is a degree of exploitation going on,’ she said. ‘The Americans are rubbing their heads together with glee, they know this man is quite damaged, disenfranchised from his family. I know they have a living to earn and they are seeking financial independence in America, but let’s just handle all of this with care. They both had a difficult time, neither of them have a particularly good relationship with a large portion of their families, and then you got people hosting podcasts thinking, “Brilliant, this will get the ratings”.’
The mental gymnastics of claiming that *Americans* were eager to exploit a “damaged” man… while she gets paid to exploit and smear Harry and Meghan. Let’s be perfectly clear: the British media is still mad that Harry and Meghan left because Sussex coverage sold papers, increased viewership and brought in a lot of money. And the f–king audacity of shaming Harry for owning his own mental health struggles while simultaneously denigrating him as a “quite damaged, disenfranchised” man. All because he’s working and being an effective advocate for the issues he cares about, all on his own terms.
Meanwhile, the Evening Standard slipped this story under the radar – after a weekend full of reporting from the Times of London and Daily Mail, “senior aides” have told the Evening Standard that “there is no desire, from the Queen or anyone else in any position of influence within the palace, to put any pressure” on Harry and Meghan to stop using their titles. One source said: “There is no appetite to do this. The position on titles has been discussed by all parties months ago and remains the same.” So who was the one arguing for it? My guess: Clarence House and/or Kensington Palace? Meanwhile, Buckingham Palace is trying to dial down the drama.
Photos courtesy of Avalon Red, Backgrid.
Camilla is easily one of the most unhinged if he Royal Roaches reporters. She lives in her own world in which H&M are the enemy and don’t you dare confront her with the truth, she doesn’t like truth or verified facts.
She is. She is also just so damn mean. She was on some show yesterday and was clearly upset when the hosts didn’t agree with her. She wants to live in her little echo chamber.
She is so vile. The US haven’t talked about the podcast since it came out but the UK just can’t let it go. They are the ones that have exploited Harry from birth and have used his mental health against him.
I’ve said it before but Tominey always manages to be one the vilest of the rota – and it’s a very tough competition
She’s the one who accused the women who survived the Grenfell fire of being terrorists and complained that Meghan’s Vogue cover had too many brown people. She’s like a cartoon villain.
She also went after Virginia Giuffre. I think Camilla might be the only rota reporter who did that.
And there’s also the creepy cover of Camilla staring Meghan down.
making the racism Meghan faced about herself. bitch.
She’s the author of the Meghan made Kate cry story and when confronted about it and that the fact that it was wrong she doubled down that her source is sure that it was Kate that cried. She is evil. And that bit about the cookbook women hiding terrorists in their midst was fed to her by a white suprematist, she has never apologized or admit that she might have been wrong.
Someone should alter her Wikipedia page and replace the ‘C’ of her Christian name with three Ks. I bet she wouldn’t change it back, either.
This is rich coming from one of the royal roaches that have been abusing Harry his entire life, including Meghan when she came aboard!!
She is truly vile and the fact that she constantly makes such asinine comments and outrageous claims is utterly disgusting.
Why anyone gives these people a platform, is bonkers to me!!
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And what about the ‘IMPACT’ and damage that BOTH Harry’s parents inflicted on their sons by airing their issues in books and in-depth tv specials. Does this 🐀 really think it was so long ago that we’ve forgotten the ‘War of the Wales’? Way to go 🐀Rota…bashing Harry during mental health week is the way to show strong support on mental health issues. This kind of BS is just the sort of stigmatizing Oprah and Harry’s special is trying to address: no one should be shamed for having, dealing with, or discussing their mental health issues.
And calling someone damaged because they admit to therapy is as ignorant as it gets. Would 🐀Rota tell someone with a tumor to man up and live with it? How about a damaged heart? A broken leg? Where does someone living in the 21st century draw the line? One goes to a trained specialist to fix the issue. It is not a ‘damaged for life’ scenario to seek the help of experts, except to the ignorant.
Tominey is the one doing the exploiting, she is like a vulture, and pops up everywhere to make sneering acidic judgements about the Sussexes. I would like to know how much she has banked over the past 18 months by giving interviews rubbishing the Sussexes.
I thought that she was hired as an associate editor to cover politics and the royal family, but I never see her talking about politics, its just non stop trashing the Sussexes. I think that she was hired solely to comment on the Royal family matters because of her rumoured links to the Middletons, only God knows how to got the Telegraph to affix politics to her title…what a laugh.
The interview she gave to Sky news live from Windsor when Archie was born revealed her true ugly colours and confirmed that she is being giving information that the Palace were worried that the Sussexes were outshining the Cambridges and that must not happen.
Camel Toe is just mad that the British Media aren’t getting the exclusives anymore. If Harry and Meghan offered HER an Oprah style tell all she would have jumped at it and milked it dry.
RE: Titles, if anyone is whining about it, it’s Kensington Palace. Knee jerk rage and Shortsightedness is their trademark.
I think it’s definitely KP as well (whining about the titles.) I think in their minds there would be less of a competition if they were the only working duke/duchess. (even though H&M aren’t working as royals.)
I’m sure William was doing his usual incandescent shtick, but I really do think Charles floated the “put their titles in abeyance” idea because of H&M’s daughter. Because he’s trapped— now the world knows H&M weren’t given a choice with respect to Archie; they can’t do the same for H&M’s daughter. But if H&M opt to have their daughter titled, does this mean Charles et al have to retroactively restore Archie’s? The only way Charles can save face is if H&M voluntarily go the Mountbatten-Windsor route, and state unequivocally that it was their choice.
Also given that H&M have a good relationship with Elizabeth, any shadiness re titles will be firmly associated with Charles. So lose lose lose for the newly crowned shadow regent.
No, because the styling of the Sussex children (they won’t be titled, its the style) doesn’t depend on Harry having a title. It depends on Harry’s children’s status as grandchildren in the male line of the monarch (when Charles is king). So even if he becomes “just” Prince Harry, when Charles is king, as things currently stand, his kids are still entitled to be HRH Prince Archie and Princess Poppy (I’m clinging to Poppy guys.) Meghan said they were talking about changing that so that Archie (and then future children) wouldn’t be HRH Prince when Charles ascends, but so far they have not changed that. As it stands now Archie is entitled to be called by one of Harry’s lesser titles (like how Edward and Sophie’s son is known as Viscount Severn).
It will be interesting to see if they do amend the letters patent down the road to change it for the Sussex children, especially as that would impact Louis’s children.
I am confused now. There was a lot of disappointment here when H&M allegedly chose to have Archie go as “Mountbatten-Windsor.” What exactly was at stake then, if none of it mattered according to the formalities of how everything is passed on?
Charles isn’t trapped – the precedent is set with Archie regarding titles. My guess is we will have a little Lady Poppy or whatever the equivalent is (Mistress?). They will both automatically be Prince/Princess when Chuck is crowned as Grandchildren of the Monarch.
I never quite understood the disagreement over the title — they could have chosen to style Archie with one of Harry’s many other titles — as I understand it they wanted the Queen to issue a change like she did for Charlotte and Lou and she didn’t.
@LaraW – so the thinking here (well okay, MY thinking, lol) was that if Harry and Meghan EVER wanted Archie to be styled as a prince, that they would change the LP so he would be styled as such from the get-go. This is what they did with the Cambridge children – under the old rules only George would have been HRH Prince George, Charlotte and Louis would have been Lady and Lord until Charles became king, then they all would have been HRH Prince/ss. This was also complicated by the fact that obviously they didnt know if the first one would be a girl, and under the old rules she still would have been Lady, while the first born son would have been HRH Prince. (so if Charlotte and George were switched in the birth order, Lady Charlotte would have been older and her brother would be HRH Prince.) So they changed the rules before George was born to make all the children of Will and Kate HRH Prince/ss (along with this they voted to do away with male primogeniture as it applied to the succession, so Charlotte’s place in the line of succession was not altered by Louis birth, the way that Anne’s place was with Andrew and Edward’s births.)
So when Archie was announced as Master Archie Mountbatten-Windsor, some were disappointed bc they thought the first biracial member of the royal family should be a prince and the family should have changed the rules; I was of the opinion ( as were others here) that Harry and Meghan wanted him to have a completely private life and as such were skipping any future HRH styles for him.
As it turned out in the interview of course, we learned they did want to change it for him – so that he wouldn’t be HRH in the future when Charles becomes king. (the current rule is that all grandchildren in the male line of the monarch are entitled to HRH prince/ss, hence why we have Princess Beatrice of York). So now it seems to me that H&M chose to forego having him styled as Lord X (I think Dumbarton) because they didnt want it to cause questions in the future if he wasn’t elevated to HRH Prince. So I think at the time of his birth they were assuming Charles was going to prevent him from being HRH.
It will be interesting to see if that actually happens, but right now it has not. But whether he is HRH is not dependent on Harry being the Duke of Sussex.
@SurelyNot the issue was that they were telling Meghan they were going to change the rules so that Archie and Poppy would NEVER be HRH.
Archie can take a subsidiary title from his father’s dukedom. This has nothing to do with Charles. Archie is heir apparent to the dukedom of Sussex and has a legal right to inherit the title and pass this on to his own firstborn son.
It was Harry and Meghan’s choice that Archie will not use ‘Earl of Dumbarton’ or ‘Baron Kilkeel’ during his childhood and similarly their daughter will not use the title ‘Lady’ . Archie and his sister will become HRH Prince/Princess when Charles is King but will not use the titles until they reach 18 when the choice will be theirs. If Charles seeks to change the law to remove inherited HRH status from the children of all but the heir apparent it will inevitably look like discrimination in this case.
@Becks1– thanks so much for the explanation!
@anotherlily yes but that is literally what Meghan said in the interview – that they wanted to change the rules to prevent Archie from ever being HRH.
Another Lily, what happens if Charles dies BEFORE Archie turns 18? He will then NOT be the grandson of a reining monarch, but the NEPHEW of one. Would he still be allowed to be an HRH if he wants to? Or is that then off the table?
Security and Personal Protection was also an issue. If (or when) Archie becomes an HRH he will be eligible to have Palace security until he is 18 just like the York Princesses did until they completed University. I take for granted that this applies if Archie lives in the UK but will not apply if he is living in the USA. Meghan discussed the security issue during the Oprah interview.
It’s truly better for Archie and Newbaby that they aren’t HRHs right now. As nasty as the royals have been, there’s nothing at all officially tethering them to the Firm. Beatrice and Eugenie are a great example of why being an HRH is pretty crappy if you are not a working royal. They were expected to be working royals, and so they weren’t really prepared for any other life. Eugenie seems to have a real job, but Beatrice was notorious for flitting from job to job and spending more time on vacation than actually working. But their choices in life are still dictated by the royal family in a way that Zara and Peter Phillips aren’t.
And no, the Sussex kids would not be HRH if Charles dies before his mother. Only grandchildren of the monarch are HRH, not great-grands.
I have a feeling that the british media will try to behave as if the Sussex kids ARE HRHs, just like they pretend that the Sussexes are still active working members of the RF. They will attempt to claim ownership of Harry’s kids just like they keep trying to claim ownership of him.
I do hope that the global media will push back hard the first time the British media writes something negative about those kids (their appearance or their so-called “behavior”). Because that really will be beyond the pale.
@anotherlily, based on the Oprah interview I started thinking that having Archie go by Master Archie and not using one of Harry’s subsidiary titles may not have even been what Harry and Meghan actually intended. When Meghan corrected the story and revealed that she and Harry never told the BRF that they didn’t want their children to be titled, it called into question every single thing the media has reported. I know Meghan was referencing the royal title, but now I wonder if maybe the Sussexes were also pushed into having Archie referred to as “Master” because the racist BRF and their courtiers don’t want the Sussex children having even a noble styling attached to their names.
I am with Sid on this one. I think its clear now that Buckingham Palace, probably with Chuck and Will, decided not to style Archie as an earl from the get go because, well, racism. I believe it was also floated here that because Meghan was in such a delicate state at the time of the birth the family and institution really hoped she would divorce Harry and take the baby back to the US. It was speculated the Palace would offer her the title Countess of Dumbarton as a part of the divorce. (Meghan is mixed race so we can’t have her stay Duchess of Sussex like Fergie did.) If Archie were already styled Earl of Dumbarton that would make it awkward or untenable to do that. Let’s just face it, this family and institution never wanted Meghan at any point and it was already decided any children she produced would be less than the Cambridge kids, and even less than Edward and Sophie’s kids, in spite of their relative closeness to the crown.
Ditto. Defending KP
Replying to Becks1 re titles.
As the law currently stands Archie and his sister will be HRH as soon as Charles becomes King. It will make no difference if Charles dies before they reach 18. They will remain legally HRH Prince/Princess whether or not they choose to use the title at 18.
This is the position Prince Edward’s children are in. They are grandchildren of a reigning monarch through a male line. Their parents chose not to use HRH status for them but to use the titles appropriate to a son and daughter of an earl. Lady Louise is now approaching 18 and she could choose to be known as Princess Louise. This may happen if she takes on any official royal role in the future.
The Duke of Kent, his brother Prince Michael and his sister Princess Alexandra are all HRH because they are grandchildren of George V. Prince Richard, the Duke of Gloucester is in the same position. Their fathers and the Queen’s father were brothers. HRH status is tied to family relationship with a reigning monarch, past or present. Archie and his sister will have that family tie to a reigning monarch.
In practical terms HRH status gives a child a right to police security until they have completed their education. This seems to have been Meghan’s concern for Archie. Prince Andrew’s daughters had police security throughout school and university but this was withdrawn when they finished their education because they had no official role. These rules were drawn up long before the age of the internet, social media and mobile phones and most royals did not attract high levels of publicity and exposure to danger.
Yes that is all pretty much what I said, or at least consistent with what I said. But that’s focusing on the wrong point. we know that Archie will be entitled to HRH when Charles is king because at that point he will be a grandchild in the male line of the monarch. The takeaway from the interview was that Meghan was saying they wanted to change it so he would NEVER be a prince, even when Charles is king. You said above that would look like discrimination and that’s absolutely correct but I don’t think that will stop Charles if he feels that strongly about it.
It should be as simple as saying “well look at the Kents and Gloucesters who are HRH bc of their grandfather and father” but it’s not.
I think , aside from the Archie issue, I think Charles is right to slim down the Royal Family by getting rid of some HRH’s. The fact that the Dukes of Kent and Gloucester are still living as Royals is ridiculous in this day and age. They only started paying market rent when a few years ago. Before that, they were paying a pittance to live in Kensington Palace, and still benefit from security when most people don’t even know who they are. William will not reform or slim down the Royal Family if Charles doesn’t do it. no way are he and Kate going to deny Charlotte and Louis and their children a life of unbridled luxury and Royal status, which is why I think Charles thought he had to do it as soon as he was King, even if it means Archie would lose his HRH.
The thing I wish Meghan had clarified for Oprah and the audience is that no child of Harry’s was ever going to be HRH Prince/ss while QEII was alive. I have a bit of inside info in that someone who was there told me early on that H&M requested the change be made for Archie during QEII’s reign because of the security issue, yes, but also because they didn’t think it was fair for the as yet unborn Archie to be of lesser rank than his Cambridge cousins. We can debate whether that was a reasonable request or not. Their argument was “well he’s going to be a Prince soon enough when the Queen dies, so why can’t we just call him one now?” At that point they were told “no you have to wait” (which IMO is not unreasonable as it is the longstanding tradition) but as Becks1 noted, they were ALSO told “and anyway we might be changing that convention in the future.” (This has long been part of Charles’ slim-down plan, to not have so many HRHs cluttering up the generations. So it can be seen as sort of reasonable as it is an idea thrown about since before Meghan entered the picture, but it’s also something that can be, and very much was by H&M at the time, interpreted as racist and discriminatory. Unfortunately, the discussion and the hurt feelings that resulted also contributed to the perception within the palace of Meghan being demanding and asking for things to which she is not entitled.)
I don’t know why they didn’t style Archie as Earl of Dumbarton. My source alluded that they were essentially ordered not to do that as well, but wasn’t clear on why or whose decision that was.
(ETA: posted this before I saw Dollycoa’s post above. Yes, from Charles’ perspective there are too many HRHs already and he does have some foresight that the public won’t accept them all forever. It is really unfortunate that the first to lose it might be the first known biracial descendant of a monarch, though, and I agree with those who argue that it’s not a good look for an already troubled monarchy.)
Lionel, Well, that’s a very pretty narrative of what supposedly occurred. You know what it doesn’t address? It doesn’t address why the brf were so adament that without the HRH, Archie would have NO SECURITY. You think about that for a moment. No wonder Meghan was suicidal. She knew that her child would have NO protection when he was born, and with the changes the brf wanted to make Archie would NEVER HAVE SECURITY. No security in a country whose media was stirring up hate and death threats. Right. So, although your explanation is pretty, it doesn’t address the elephant in the room. I think perhaps you are hoping to form a narrative that isn’t so negative to the brf. Good try. But, you don’t leave a baby unprotected. Not in that family. Not in that Country.
Saucy&Sassy, I’m not saying it was right or wrong, I’m just telling you what I was told, at the time, by someone who was in a position to know. Which I believe is valuable narrative information compared to the pure speculation that tends to be presented as fact around here. But I wasn’t there myself, nor do I have a personal investment in the narrative, nor do I know it to be incontrovertibly true. I’d advise you to take a breath and examine why you’re so hot and bothered by an internet stranger (me) unprovably saying they know something you don’t about people you’ve never met. Or, put another way, providing some celebrity gossip on a gossip site. Frankly, I don’t think my “explanation” is pretty at all. Maybe it sounds pretty to you because it’s the closest thing you’ve heard to what actually happened.
@Saucy I’m with you about Archie’s security (although I hate those dumb titles,it’s a huge symbol of Britain’s classism but it seems like Harry and Meghan like them for whatever reason): when Archie was born and the few months he was in the UK,there was a frenzy ,like an obsession to ‘see’ him and even in the SA tour,a photographer tried to break into their residence to get a photo of him(CRAZY!!!!)
It always Meghan the demanding ….Girl was suicidal but was also demanding about titles….why Harry is never demanding ? I just don’t understand…it is always Meghan’s fault!!
Thank you for relaying all of that, Lionel. It was interesting. I do agree with Saucy on Meghan’s position though- she was fighting for her son’s safety. If an HRH would entitle him to security, why not make an exception- as had already been done for Charlotte and Louis. Archie was much more at risk.
Lionel, I’m not angry with you. I’m impatient. There’s a difference. I understand what you said. For the purposes of this discussion, let’s say that you reported the facts–I won’t dispute them. What is completely ignored–by the brf?–is the fact that there would be a child (Archie) who would never leave home? Would this child then be tutored? What the facts show is that there would be no attempt to protect Archie when the BM had encouraged hate and death threats. If anywhere in what you report or what Meghan and Harry had said that indicated that SOMEONE would pay for security, I wouldn’t be so outraged at the brf. I think you can agree that that’s a glaring omission.
Thing is, at the time I heard this, long before Oprah, nobody said anything about security. So I don’t have anything to relate about that.
Camilla Tominey needs to have this stitched on her pillow, “They who live in glass houses should not throw stones.”
“US is exploiting Harry….” says woman whose entire career is based on exploiting the royals in way or another.
Calling him damaged etc – that just shows how far mental health awareness still has to go, maybe William and Kate should focus on educating Camilla for their next project about mental health.
That part stood out, too. Wrapping up mental health week, we have seen a lot of stigmatisation coming from the media. I remember when they referred to him as fragile and sensitive in the past. I think there needs to be a lot more authentic mental health awareness in the UK, coming directly from real mental health advocates/experts. The lip service the royal family pays to the issue clearly isn’t effective. The culture must be so toxic if even media personalities cannot recognise how they contribute to the stigma.
The RF & RR can never discuss mental health without coming from a place of judgment and labeling they were never helpful to Diana and now Harry so it’s no surprise that Harry didn’t find them telling him to seek help wasn’tt helpful..
It also doesn’t really reflect well on mental health influencers william and kate that they are fine with working with a woman who labels someone speaking about his mental struggles as damaged.
It doesn’t reflect well on any of the RF to keep working with outlets that attack members of their own family. H&M were told they couldn’t pick and choose the press, so this goes to the top. Didn’t the Queen also brag on the BM?
And who damaged him? That’s like a tiger declaring that the wild life preserve has exploited ptsd antelope.
“That’s like a tiger declaring that the wild life preserve has exploited ptsd antelope.” Right?
The big problem here is that im sure William and Kate refer to hom the same way. One poignant part of his interview with Dax was when he noted how unhelpful is to tell someone to their face “you need help” because it come across as dismissive and that they think you’re unhinged and that it kept him from going to therapy at the time. When hr was on with byrony im 2017 he said his brother had pushed him in the past to get therapy but he didnt until recently (ie after he met Meghan). That coupled with the fact that so many of William’s allies in the press openly call Harry fragile makes me think that he was the one who dismissively told Harry “you need help” because he thought Harry was damaged and didnt want to deal with it.
That family talks a lot about mental health but in practice it seems they are still incredibly cold and feel that your mental health is something you shouldn’t actually talk about unless it’s to a therapist and that’s very unhelpful. Yes therapy is important but so is real suppprt amd understanding from your friends and family. People who are struggling need to know they can talk to people around them and be supported.
@Chelsea totally agree. Now the BM is yapping on about how Harry lied and revised his statements about William getting him to seek help, and now he’s saying it’s Meghan… and yet it seems so obvious that this is what happened. Sometimes negative family and friends will even accuse you of being damaged as if it’s an affront to them. The press is reflective of really ugly dynamics that have to change. I am wondering why mental health experts in Britain are not speaking out, loudly, against this.
Their mental health initiatives are just “go outside, maybe garden or do some sports!” which is one good strategy for keeping up mental health, but if you’re hurting it is not helpful. They don’t seem to want to address the people who are actively hurting and need more support that “time in nature”
This!!! My family does not want to hear about it or talk about it. I am told do whatever you need to do but don’t talk to me.😶🤐😪
I don’t believe for a second that Clarence House was involved in the titles dispute. Charles does enough commercial ventures with his titles that he won’t be wading into that argument.
BUT Kensington Palace? Home of the Duke and Duchess of Do-Nothing? Now I can see them pitching a fit so that they can feel that they are higher on the hierarchy and “better” than H&M without doing anything. They don’t have any projects/commercial lines to lend their name to, all the while pretending that their lack of innovation is royal. The Queen is brewing beer and distilling gin, William. Get a clue.
@Lemons: The problem with Charles is he wants to be the only one doing business ventures so I wouldn’t absolve him from pushing for the titles to be stripped. I believe Charles had a leading role in Harry losing his military titles and he and Meghan losing their royal patronages. Let’s not forget that Charles took away Harry’s funding and security after they left the UK in March. Apparently it was Charles who insisted that Diana lose her HRH after the divorce and I’m beginning to believe that her security was taken away rather than she giving it up.
Nah, Charles isn’t stupid. He understands as well as the Queen the Pandora’s box it would open. This has Kensington Palace written all over it.
I think if Charles was behind the push we wouldn’t have gotten the quiet slapdown from BP and the senior courtier or whatever about how it wasn’t even being discussed. I mean there’s a chance Charles is trying to push for it and the Queen was like “nah I’m still in charge” but I think its more likely that it was coming from KP and this is William trying to flex his muscle and someone higher up is trying to put him in his place even somewhat.
@Becks1 — I think Charles is talking out of both sides of his mouth. I don’t think we know to what extent all past statements allegedly from BP were actually dictated by Charles. We know there has been a soft regency in place for a few years— Charles has the advantage of using both CH and BP as his mouthpiece, and I think he’s been using them both to push various narratives for a while.
I think Charles, like QEII, just wants this whole situation to simmer down and go away. “Punishing” the Sussexes open up a big fat can of smelly fishing worms involving Prince Andrew and Prince Michael of Kent that neither QEII nor Charles really wants opened. Taking away peoples titles (never will happen) or styles (this could happen) will give to much power to the Daily Fail and Baldy to demand “heads on a platter”. The Daily Fail and Baldingham are driving all of this.
“I believe Charles had a leading role in Harry losing his military titles and he and Meghan losing their royal patronages.”
@Amy Bee – I have a different take on this matter. I think the problem was that the Sussexes were not residing in the UK or a Commonwealth country. I think there are many Englishmen (Little Englanders who vote for BREXIT) that would not want honorary military titles and Royal Patronages held by a “Mountbatten-Windsor” living not only in the USA but in “HOLLYWOOD”….like anyone really lives in HOLLYWOOD proper.
I believe that if the Sussexes had remained in Canada (which was not possible as Royals without a defined role per the Canadian Government ) or ended up in South Africa (also not possible per the UK Foreign Office and Robert Lacey) the honorary military titles and Royal Patronages would not have been taken away.
Charles’ ventures (I assume you’re talking about Duchy Originals) raise money for his charities. He doesn’t keep any of it.
Diana offered to give up her HRH as a bargaining point early in the divorce negotiations. The Queen accepted with alacrity and later Diana tried to get it back from Charles, who refused. Apparently, she told William to get it back for her when he could.
When BP turned down M&H’s half-in/half-out idea, the funding and security would naturally end. I think it speaks to how kindly Charles has treated Harry over the past 20 years that Harry thought Charles would just keep paying for his adult son to do whatever he wanted. I suspect that conversation was of two people talking past each other, based on Harry’s reaction. On the whole, I think that Harry being able to support his family apart from the royal bureaucracy is better for everyone.
@Oddsneds: Charles doesn’t pay a penny of security for anybody. Security for working royals is paid for by the taxpayers. What Charles pays for is office and household costs – security is not included in that.
And it’s not totally unreasonable for both Harry and Charles to come to a compromise and for Charles to say “Look I’ll fund your security for 2 months or so while you make alternate arrangements. But after that I’m pulling the plug in funding and you’re on your own with that.” Helps Harry out a bit and Charles could have leaked that and made a whole campaign about what a generous father he is. And it’s not unprecedented since Charles’ mummy pays for her pedo son’s security out of her own pocket apparently
Considering the amount of threats him, his wife and child face, going from 100 to 0 in terms of security is shocking especially when you’ve had it your whole life like Harry.
@oddsnends during the Sandrigham summit why courtiers didn’t tell Harry that he was going to loose security? He only learned it once they were in Canada and Charles or William leaked where he was staying and so risking his life…He lived all his life with security and funding coming from Charles(the duchy of Cornwall is/was for Charles living expenses and his sons),that’s all he knew and all of sudden Charles cut everything…in France,we have this girl who was saying some hateful things about muslim and she is now protected by French police so why Harry who was born on that family,who did two tours in Afghanistan(and talibans wanted to capture him),his wife vilified and everybody wanted a piece of Archie,why his so nice father cut him?
@Snuffles: It’s debatable if Charles is stupid or not afterall he agreed to let Harry leave the family instead of letting him be part time. I also forgot to say that I believe he was behind the decision to prohibit someone from laying a wreath at the Remembrance Day service.
I just think that Charles is fully aware of the laws behind the titles and what it would take to remove them. It would take an act of Parliament. Harry and Meghan have done nothing to warrant it. And if they try to drag Parliament into this, then others will start gunning for Prince Andrew and others.
Snuffles, right on.
I’m going to disagree with all of you.
I think NO palace had anything to do with the titles story.
Hear me out – Meghan just HUMILIATED the MOS in the court case.
They are gunning for her.😤
Only the BRF are compromised by the press, so can’t stop the press making up narratives to suit their agendas against the Sussexes.🤐🤐🤐
I don’t think Charles wants them to lose their titles.
That his biographer, Rob Jobson, is the one quoted in the Evening Standard about not stripping away the titles, tells me this was sanctioned by CH.
And remember, several RRs have admitted Chuck was actually in favour of Sussex half-in/half-out strategy, but was overuled by Lizzie and Walmart.
@Jegede Excellent points, brava!
The tabloids in the UK can get away with making up all sorts of nonsense and it is very expensive and involves a huge amount of vexatious litigation to sort them out. They’re banking on the fact that no-one has the endless time and endless money to call them on everything. Such a shame that Levenson was never implemented.
I mentioned on an earlier thread that a favourite pastime of the tabs in the 80s was to ring up closeted gay pop stars and threaten them that they’d out them unless said star provided the tabloids with a negative HIV test. These people are scum. Absolute scum. There is no decency whatsoever.
I’ll sit on the bench with you. Between the DM, Sun, Mirror and all of the US tabloids there are a dozen stories a day and every single one of them is a “plant” by various households OR it’s completely made up depending on which dogma the reader is currently on.
It’s a slow news cycle and so people gotta come up with stuff — every time Harry is seen or heard from we are going to get a slew of these articles.
You’re not alone, I said this yesterday.
@SurelyNot – My vote is for the choice of all of this being made up BS to cater to the reader of a particular publication.
Jegede, What I also think is that suddenly Princess Henry was trending on twitter. They really angered people, so they said fine go ahead and take the titles. That means Meghan can use her Princess title. I don’t think the brf want that to happen. Can you imagine what Walmart and Kmart would say to that? Especially, as you know, she would end up being called Princess Meghan in the US. Shades of Princess Di?????
Camilla…you mean exploiting Harry like YOU are?
The hypocrisy of these people.
Now I have to find someone to rub heads with. Gleefully! Thank you Camila Tominey for filling me in on this little-known aspect of American culture. 🤔
oh man I read that part fast and just thought she said “rub hands together.” We rub heads together?? I completely missed that part of our culture lol.
Okay I’m sorry to say that I listened to the quote and she does say “hands” its just misquoted in the article, lol.
Becks1 – Thanks for the clarification! I absolutely came here to mock that phrasing, but even the person who misquoted should be mocked a little since the visual on “rubbing heads together” with glee is so bizarre.
Ha I saw that too! We Americans, we’re so touchy-feely….
Talk of revoking titles opens a Pandora’s box that needs to be kept closed for pedo Andy’s sake. I said this yesterday, but this ratchet has personal trauma from her alcoholic mother. She’s willing to deny the truth of her own experience in order to suck up to the royals.
I keep going on and on about narrative, but Harry’s is the most interesting royal narrative of this time. The royals, and their flunkies, are the villains in Harry’s story. They are the villians in what could be one of the most epic star crossed love stories of this new century.
The thing is they weren’t speaking of revoking the titles, which everyone is well aware would cause major upheaval. They floated the idea of H&M not using the titles, which I think is more subtle than anything Will or Kate or their collective aides could come up with. Charles knows the finer points and the monarchy’s legalese. Having H&M stop using their titles would be the perfect first step to then pressuring them to relinquish the titles entirely.
Another issue is that Harry and Meghan likely won’t use titles in their philanthropy work. The media will use titles to refer to them forever, and there’s no stopping that. Even if the titles were relinquished, they would be discussed as the former duke and duchess, which then leads to the question, why are they former, while still keeping them connected to the royal family. The smart thing for the RF to do is to reign in the tabloids screeching about the tabloids. But when have the RF ever done the smart thing?
Camilla Tominey = hypocrite. Not only does she exploit Harry for her paper and British TV, she’s the royal commentator for NBC. So maybe if she thinks Harry is being exploited she should stop doing the same. I think the main reason the press and the Palace don’t what Harry to speak is the fear that he will eclipse the Royal Family. It’s part of the reason why they didn’t want him to live in the US.
I think part of them doesn’t want him to speak because he has serious dirt on people. 35 years worth of dirt to be specific. Meghan and harry revealed a lot in that oprah interview and yet everybody could see that they were holding back. The royals did something dark and now that there’s nothing stopping harry, he could sing like a canary if he wants to.
I also think that the uk press is just sulking because the American media gets h&m (and h&m have shown to be willing to work with them) while they are left with the keenbridges patting sheep.
If I was American, I would consider writing a complaint letter to NBC for having her as their royal expert. The British Press is a lost cause, but there’s no reason for the non-Fox News American outlets to be employing her.
We should all email nbc, we need them to know who they have working for them
Agree it deeply bothers me that she is the correspondent for NBC considering her v unbiased position.
Over it and Jais, since she has done her best to tell people that if they are in therapy or dealing with issues regarding mental health that they all should shut up or be called “damaged”, I would say that NBC should explain why they would want that to reflect their company. What’s wrong with the executives there?
What are some of the racist things she’s said/Twitter comments she’s made, etc? That’s how we can really shut her down.
Zero self awareness , this womans bread and butter is exploiting others.
I had to stop reading when she wrote that Harry dealing with his mental health may put a strain on Liza who has lost her hubby. Harry is a young man who has YEARS of trauma built up and toxicity of being in that family. Liz is a 95 year old who lost her almost 100 year old hubby, Not the same.
And Harry is a grown man and I am sure is aware of whom may or may not exploit him. And if he doesn’t, it is his family who failed him.
Bottom line is that they – everyone in England can’t deal with the fact that Harry and Meghan are living their best life. I think it’s those people who need the therapy as well.
Its a bit of a moot point to make since the queen starting working 4 days after his passing and when he wasn’t even buried yet. And the queen lost her husband but harry also lost his grandfather.
This annoys me, too. In this “Elizabeth lost her husband when she was 95” argument, they conveniently leave out that Harry lost his mother when he was 12. It’s a sad thing to lose a loved one, but the peaceful passing of a 99-year old, is different than one’s mother dying in a fiery car crash while being pursued by paparazzi.
And, in general, this is the kind of argument that shuts down people seeking help – that they should wait until there’s an appropriate time and place to talk about their problems. And that the appropriate time and place is dictated by others because everyone else is more important.
My money is on KP pushing the title strip and was overruled by BP with an assist from CH. The Cambridges’ mental health “initiatives” don’t really make the news outside the UK; Harry and Meghan’s projects are global.
Toe-rag-miny is salty that she and the rest of the coven that is the BM is losing access to the Sussexes to the US press. Don’t be mad that the American media doesn’t demand the subject pays protection (bad news on someone) to get favorable press and goes for public harassment and extortion through their outlets if it doesn’t get it.
I don’t think the BRF are pushing for titles to be stripped.
Apart from the fact that they want Harry back, even the Windsors are aware such an act will only open a box of messy snakes, from both Pro and Anti monarchists alike.
That drama they don’t need. Especially right now.
The press however, esp, The Scum & Heil WANT them to lose their titles and have been pushing hard for this.
Although I agree that this current round of “NO TITLES FOR YOU!” is likely driven by the BM, William’s specialty seems to be opening boxes of messy snakes then needing daddy or grandmummy to come in and fix things.
I think the titles talk is just coming from the British media like with paying back Frogmore etc.
Camilla T was just talking about need to be considerate of MH for journalists as well last week but is now using faux concern to label Harry damaged? Maybe her KP MH advocates need to have a word.
The British media are really being disgusting in how they talk about mental health all to disparage Harry. And did they forget Harry lost his grandfather too? Or that the British media published all the gossip including intrusive coverage about Harry, his partners & his family & were the ones pushing for Harry & William to be seen after Diana died. So yeah ironic for her to accuse America of exploiting Harry. She’s just mad they don’t have exclusive access anymore.
It’s going to be interesting when their baby girl is born- the rota reporters are going to be seething as doubt they will have as many press appearances seeing as it will be different from when Archie was born. And they did it to themselves.
BM is pissed because Harry never allowed them the closeness the Americans are getting.
One podcast for Spotify for his series, and one with Dax and she is talking about Americans exploiting Harry.
Harry and Meghan are paid by Netflix and Spotify, plus Harry’s job, maybe exploiting means something different in England.
Every time he opens his mouth he is proving the BM has been lying about his intelligence for years.
Oprah’s stated, she told Harry she was doing a series on mental health, and Harry asked if she wanted help, and she wasn’t going to turn him down, this was in 2019 or before.
Some use to call Harry lazy, what they didn’t realize that Harry was held back by the courtiers, because he couldn’t show up his lazy brother.
With the COVID lockdown, Harry and Meghan still managed to get a lot done.
The BM is not breaking any stories about them, because they have no access, so all they can do is whine, and yes Meghan and Harry are releasing news for the American news cycle.
Groomer Phil pull a switch on cameltoe, she was not expecting the push back from him and Holly yesterday.
What show was that? I’d like to look it up.
It’s a morning show in England with Phil and Holly.
It was on This Morning and you can find the clip on YouTube. It was interesting to see Tominey’s face when Phillip was pushing back. She looked very exasperated and aggrieved, maybe even a slight eye roll. It just made me think of how often she goes on shows and expertly talks about Harry and Meghan with no one questioning her expertise, which is so messed up because then she is creating the narrative. You could tell she was not used to being questioned and with all that she has written about…well she absolutely should be and I hope it happens more. And that nbc gets a new commentator or at the very least an opposing viewpoint to talk alongside her because she is not an unbiased reporter. She obviously stans for her sources…the Cambridges and the Middletons.
It’s the episode talked about in the story here – if you look on youtube for “this morning camilla tominey” it comes right up. Camilla is NOT happy about it lol.
Ugh, I watched it. She still seemed awfully full of herself. And still willfully ignorant as always.
This is the second time that Phil and Holly have pushed back on Tominey. There was a clip circulating of when they interviewed her after the Oprah interview and they went after her for her bullcrap “Meghan made the other one cry” story. You could see Tominey getting flustered and defensive but they weren’t letting her get away with it.
I just watched the clip and all I can think is “That is what the Brits consider pushback?” 😏 It seemed extremely vague and milquetoast to me. I do think that I will email NBC immediately and complain about them using this woman as their “expert.”
@bluetoile- yep that was actually quite a bit of pushback in comparison to the norm which is blind acceptance of Tominey’s expert royal opinions. I do appreciate that Phillip and Holly questioned her in this clip and the post Oprah one that Sid mentioned above. Obv, I feel there could be more pushback but it’s usually so bad that I can’t even watch. I only watched this one bc it was advertised as having some pushback in it. But yeah I’d welcome more. As becks1 said, Camilla was not happy but I think that her opinions have gone unquestioned for far too long.
At the beginning of the podcast Dax said he’s moving to Spotify next month, so I think there may have been some subtle cross-advertising going on there. Nothing wrong with that at all – it was a great podcast – but it was interesting to see how Harry is making connections in the US.
There’s a degree of truth. The American media knows there’s money to make by siding with Harry and Meghan and give them fair coverage, but I don’t think we can call it exploitation if both parties are benefiting from it.
There has been no fair coverage of Harry and Meghan in America. There has just been normal reporting without added soundbites. Good or bad. we have other things to focus our attention on
Well that’s what I mean by fair, fair is neither positive or negative.
I mean, Camilla is just upset that she and the BM messed up so bad that the Sussexes won’t be doing ANY press with them. No sit-downs, no exclusives. Nothing. And they are the royals that people WANT to hear from.
They must ALL be thinking how disappointing it is that they tied themselves to the Cambridges who don’t even give them exclusives or interesting soundbites outside of gaffes.
I do hope she’s happy with the Christmas cookies at the holiday parties.
American media also let them start with a clean slate – and let the couple write their own narrative.
American media also know this is Diana’s son and the US loved Diana. Lastly, and more importantly, this couple has friends in very high places – Oprah for one.
And we Americans also love a story of a young couple in love breaking free of tyranny and making it in the US – against the odds. Paints for a very romanticized story.
And the more the British media try to make this couple look bad, the more they shine in the US.
+1
“And we Americans also love a story of a young couple in love breaking free of tyranny and making it in the US – against the odds.”
We really do! About 100 songs played in my head when I read this (starting with Mellencamp’s Jack and Diane). I guess I never thought of it as a uniquely American thing, though. Every culture has its legends of star-crossed lovers.
I don’t know – the conservative media in the US are solidly against H&M. It’s just that we don’t care about royals all that much. Plus, apart from their royal connections, H&M are the boring kind of celebrities – they’re living peacefully, they’re doing serious work, nobody’s having affairs or being found naked on someone’s front lawn after an all-night bender. Any stirring of the pot is happening across the pond – mildly interesting, but too far away to really care.
That’s funny because the main reason I realize who celebs are is by associating them with their charity work. I couldn’t tell you much about Lebron James or Kobe Bryant’s scandals or basketball careers but I have read about their charity work. Same with TV and movie celebs. Unless a scandal is major, I don’t know many details.
@equality – I’m with you there. My current career is in the non-profit world, so celebrities doing charity work is a definite ping on my radar. But I think, in general, the entertainment and celebrity media are focused on what’s shiny and splashy. Take the Met Ball, for instance, all the press is for the celebrities who attend, not for the long-time Met philanthropists.
I don’t think scandals and careers are in the same category. Charity work is wonderful, but that doesn’t mean Lebron James’ talent or accomplishments should be diminished.
Wasn’t saying they were the same, just that I don’t follow either unless it is something major and hard to ignore.
The only US media outlets “against them” are quite right-wring and for the most part pretty fringe. Unlike in the UK, the major outlets here – where the majority of people get their news from – are not conservative. Even Fox News isn’t network television.
Royal “reporters” really don’t get that they are the ones who are exploitative, abusive and unhinged. Plus, Cameltoe is a straight up liar and fraud.
Camila Tominey has zero thought process and English comprehension.
#BritishMediaIsRotten should be trending.
Tominey actually talked about having an alcoholic mother and how that affected her yet she’s calling Harry damaged and says he’s being exploited. How would she feel if I called her damaged and said she was being exploitive by talking about her mother?
And I will say it’s interesting how BP seems to be trying to not get involved in Sussex smears these days. Even with the Oprah interview it was that one statement, a few grumblings but it was mostly “the queen is upset about all of it” and then silence. CH whined a bit but then moved on yet it was KP who kept going on about it until Philip died. So my money is on KP and/or the media.
Also want to add that what reason are they going to use to remove titles?
“Oh they’re not working royals anymore” – Cool remove Andrew’s then. Neither is the Duchess of Kent so remove her title too.
“They’ve got commercial ventures” – So does most of the aristocracy so let’s remove all their titles too.
“Just because we want to” – Okay if that precedent is set, what’s to stop let’s say, William one day from removing Charlotte/Louis’ titles “just because”? Or any future monarch removing his sibling(s) titles?
The drama is coming from Bucklebury Palace
LOVE THAT! My nomination for comment of the week!
Jazzbaby!, That’s what I wondered. If there is a source, I nominate Carole. I truly think she is obsessed in some respects in wanting the Sussex’s reputation ruined. She’s so shortsighted that she doesn’t get the damage she ultimately does to the brf.
“How dare you let someone else use you on your terms, when I want to use you on my terms?”- CT, which is appropriate initials for Camila Tominey, since she needs a CT scan, as she’s clearly brain damaged.
I think H&M are being exploited by both sides. I think the Brits are just jealous because the Americans are being given an opportunity to do it directly. It’s the nature of the game.
They are not being exploited if they are willing participants. Harry and Meghan are now completely in charge of what they do or do not share with the public. An option they never had being a part of the royal rota system.
Harry being open benefits his causes and projects. It’s his choice completely because he believes it will be beneficial to him and the public. That’s not exploitation.
@Snuffles: Exactly.
Right again, Snuffles.
I disagree. Oprah definitely did a lot of steering during the conversation around Archie’s title. Meghan tried to explain the rules and such, but Oprah really didn’t want to hear any of that. Like, there’s a reason that Harry and Meghan have completely different stories surrounding all that. Harry’s version is that it happened before marriage. Meghan insisted she heard it from him and it was constantly talked about during her pregnancy.
@Ainsley7: meh. If that’s your “evidence” for exploitation that’s a pretty weak one if I’m being honest. I will agree that I wish Oprah allowed Meghan to expand on the titles thing but the footage that we saw could have been bad editing or just Oprah not understanding it and getting confused. And sure she could have allowed Meghan to expand but it’s a reach to call it exploitation in my opinion.
And it’s possible that both Harry and Meghan are correct. Conversations happened before the marriage, Meghan heard it from Harry and conversations started up again when she was pregnant. But I fail to see how this is Oprah herself saying/doing something that is exploiting the Sussexes.
Ainsley, Harry’s and Meghan’s stories didn’t sound completely different to me at all. In fact it filled in some blanks and helped explain a lot of what we had observed in real time.
@Ainsley7 – Two things can be true a once. Maybe Harry had this “discussion” with someone royal or a courtier before their marriage and then Harry & Meghan discussed in depth during her pregnancy.
Ainsley7, I seriously doubt that Oprah did or said anything that she hadn’t passed by the Sussexes first.
The Sussexes are not being exploited. They need a huge income to keep them safe. They are just trying to involve themselves in meaningful projects to allow them to live in a safe and secure environment and pay for 24 hour top notch security for all of them. This does not come cheap.
Ummm…okay. This is the person who wrote the Meghan made Kate cry story and exploited it for years.
Oh, did infantilizing a grown man by blaming it on his wife get old? It’s the Americans’ fault now!
Maybe he’s just not that into you, Camilla.
Yeah–she, like all the ratchets sound like bitter exes jealous that their partner has moved on without them. But this ratchet is like those toxic fangirls who harass a celebrity’s partner out of jealousy. Note to all ratchets: Harry is not your friend. He is not your family. He is not your spouse. You have no personal relationship with him at all. Get the f*** over him because any “relationship” you have with him is in your own mind.
This woman wrote an article titled” Harry Meghan and me” crazy woman and she’s the one who first broke the news that Harry was dating Meghan. In her sick mind, she installed herself in Harry and Meghan’s relationship from day 1. And she gets to comment on everything H&M do if that’s not stalking behavior idk what else I think she’s like Piers has malicious obsession but people don’t pay that much attention because she’s a woman
Omg sentence of the week.lololololol
The British press keeps calling Harry stupid and crazy. Like no wonder he doesn’t want to be your Prince anymore.
Of course keenbridges want those titles removed, you can build a better life than being a princess goes against every thing Carole Jenner and her Karen have ever believed. If they can humiliate Harry and Megs while making themselves seem more important,then they are all for it.
CAMEL TOE IS AS UNHINGED AND DISGUSTING AS THEY COME. If she thinks American are exploiting Harry, then maybe she and the rest of her salty racist as F sewer rats should refrain from talking about Harry. Just cover the keenbridges
@Over It I’ve been watching The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills while laid up with AZ jab side effects. It seems to me that Carole Middleton is like Lisa Vanderpump, sans the charm and fun. In Beverly Hills LVP is treated as posh royalty and seen as the epitome of class, whereas in the UK she’s ‘just’ middle class. Carole Bennett wants the fawning and pretention of the Beverly Hills lifestyle, and is angry and aggrieved that all her scheming on her part and for her daughters has come to naught; that she’s still seen as nouveau riche rather than Queen Bee.
Also , Harry and Meghan quit that shit like Kaiser tells us, lol. Therefore no one in the uk needs to cover anything they do anymore. Oh wait but they have to because all the rest are a F———-ing snooze fest.
Wrong place!
“…damaged…”
Makes me want to punch a tree.
People like this a-hole are the reason so many suffer in silence.
Paperclip, it really was a nasty thing for her to say wasn’t it? Good luck to the other members of the BRF for hitching their wagons to people like this.
Paperclip, which is why NBC should not be connected to this woman. What kind of message is NBC now sending?
Drama is exactly what it is. Harry didn’t say anything new. That Camilla Tominey and the other so called experts who contributed to Meghan’s mental health issues but that hasn’t shut them up.
He also didn’t call the first amendment “bonkers” or say he was going to live completely privately or any of the things the BM twist his words to say and their lapdogs eat up.
Cameana states ‘(Harry) is damaged’ all while continuing to contribute to this damage. Cameana states ‘(Harry)’ should consider OTHERS before he speaks as Cameana stands behind her rallying call reporting that ‘Meghan’ made Kate cry’. Even after the injured party clarified the story (not some here say from a palace whisperer). Camilla…step away from the moral ground, it is populated by the quicksands of your lies and your cohorts lies and you are sinking.
The absolutely poisonous thing is that there is just the faintest grain of truth in each of Tominey’s statements when each is taken exclusively. Yes, Harry is vulnerable (it would be astonishing if he weren’t). Yes, US tabloids and talkshows are exploitative (like every other tabloid and talkshow on the planet). Yes, he’s on the outs with his family. But all this is spun together in such a way, such a wicked and vindictive way, to make him appear broken and manipulated (the whole, of course, orchestrated by his biracial divorcee American wife). The staggering manipulation of mental health and associated disorders by this woman and her ilk has actually killed before; poor Caroline Flack took her own life after being on the receiving end of such treatment. Tominey is disturbed and oddly vengeful. Why does she have such a personal dog in the fight? Did she have a poster of Harry on her wall? Practice writing ‘Mrs Wales’ or ‘Duchess Camilla’ on her jotter?
Being a sort of typical Brit (sans the racism, judgmentalism and class anguish that characterises your average Mail or Express reader) I kneejerked when first listening to the podcast – on the one hand, the confessional style is not typical of our buttoned-up island race, and I found myself muttering ‘not dignified’ when he dropped numerous expletives. But I think he needs NOT to be dignified. Not only is his journey to self- and woke-awareness a great thing that could help to shatter the stranglehold that class has on the UK, with its invisible and impenetrable barriers that stifle social mobility, but it shows a lot of people that THERE IS NO SHAME in mental health crises. And his journey could liberate so many people. Of course, this won’t sell papers, so we’ll see a crescendo of bile from rats like Tominey; but I hope he knows that his journey is a profoundly good one.
It’s a real shame that the media on your island would denigrate the idea of treating mental health if they don’t like the person expressing the idea.
Hating on Harry is apparently more important than supporting mental health. I feel so sorry for people with mental health struggles in the UK. There’s already your “stiff upper lip” crap, but there’s also the fact that it’s okay to crap all over the message if you don’t like the messenger. The cognitive dissonance of “Harry’s mental health talk is usurping the Cambridge’s day when they were photographed shaking hands with people on behalf of mental health” is astounding. It could be satire it’s so ridiculous.
Another thing, the press thinks that criticizing Harry is going to get him to shut up but as he said on the podcast last week, he’s not afraid of them anymore and he’s going to continue to speak out on issues he cares about.
That top photo of Harry holding the little girl is adorable.
I cannot laugh hard enough at the desperation of the rota attempting to hang onto their Sussex-sourced paychecks. They killed the golden goose, and now they want to blame everyone but themselves. Hoisted by their own petard, as it were. Lol. Idiots.
It doesn’t help, Camilla, that your lot is teaming up with the right wing media in this country to discredit him. The UK has numerous issues, but is an easier topic for some Brits to understand unfortunately.
One of these days she is going to go so far over the line and she will be sued into oblivion. I hope to see the day this happens.
Harry should be “mindful of the effects” on his family but that doesn’t go both ways. Nobody in his family seemed to be concerned about the effects of lies in the BM on H&M. How many minutes would it have taken to put out a statement to back off of a pregnant woman or setting a story straight or even just to put out a supportive statement? The current big thing on Twitter is how dare Harry use footage of himself at Di’s funeral in the documentary. It’s okay for multiple uses of it by news outlets but how dare Harry talk about or show his OWN life. These people are the ones who appear damaged to me. And this narrative sounds similar to how Di was treated after she left the royal life.
@Equality In the UK, many people feel that they own the Royal Family and have a personal stake in their lives. They ‘pay for them’ and in return the RF provides entertainment, the vicarious thrill of living a staggeringly rich life, and a totem that reminds them of their imperial past. When they say ‘our Harry’, they mean it. The Royal Family exists to please them. They take pride in RF children and demand to see pictures of them. Some camp out all night for a first glimpse of ‘the heir’. All of which means that if a member of the RF goes off script, the retribution is swift and bloody.
Brilliant description!
“All of which means that if a member of the RF goes off script, the retribution is swift and bloody.”- 👏👏👏👏
As Hugh Grant has said MANY times, the press, not the government, run the country.
@Andrew’s Nemesis – I have never read this idea stated as eloquently as presented in your post.
Me again, I am sorry but I find what Camilla had to say about Harry mental health disturbing on so many levels
How vile can she be? And why is no one calling her out on this. She should be condemned and made to apologize for this on the same show she uttered those words. They are people who are suffering everyday and she is diminishing not only Harry pain but theirs as well. She is no different from Piss morgan
Piers Morgan Replacement On Good Morning Britain is Journalist Ben Shephard. Have no idea what kind of journalist he is but he is 1000 times better looking than Piss Morgan and not jealous of Oprah as Piss Morgen is.
Camilla, the author of the “kate cry story.” Didnt she and the tabloids exploited Meghan and Harry first.
I hope ITV gets lots of complaints about Camilla’s interview. Calling anyone suffering from mental issues “damaged” is insulting and harmful. I know she gets her marching orders from KP, but does she ever stop to think “what the fuck am I saying?”? No awareness of anything. Just regurgitating what Kate, Carole or William through Kate/Carole tell her to say.
this is so sad .its a helpless feeling.nothing i can do to help. this person labeling mental health living being as ”damage goods” we all have mental health issues some more than others. its when it starts affecting your daily life when its serious. sometimes i think, can we as a group sue the press? its just not right for anyone that can read the press thinks its ok to do this. this 5 questions from Catherine about childhood. how can she teach anything when she is not standing up for the larger press bullying adults in the media.? when you are a known person in the press world, speak up and stop the children/ teens from growing up to be these adults that write nasty things in the press about others. the way the press writes they are telling the world Meghan is worst then Hitler, and Putin and any other dictator that used their power to murder millions. an have their people suffer endless suffering.
She’s also labeled a “monster” wife who “brainwashed” Happy Harry who so enjoyed the time spent with his Real Family, Wiliam and Kate.lol.
They can do it in the States. It’s called a class action lawsuit and can have hundreds of victims or even thousands. There might be something similar in the U.K.
Camila Tominey is a ghoul. That’s all I have to say.
Racist twunt says what now?
I can’t stand this pile of human excrement. I wish she would go away.
Think the BM are crapping themselves now? Just wait the first time we hear Archie speak full sentences and he speaks with an American accent. Bawhahaha
The British media are corrupting US media to hate on Harry and Meghan. Fox News via Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson, Laura Ingraham, Candace Owens, etc. have become the surrogates of the Royal Rota. They are on a hate campaign against Meghan and Harry. I hope that more credible and fair US media will defend the Sussexes and see the British media and William for the poison and racist hate they spread the world over against the Sussexes.
William and his carnival of royal experts (Tominey, PMorgan, Emily Andrews, Angela Levin, LCampbell, DWooton, Richard Kay, etc) are the ones who are indeed damaged. Throw in Nigel Farage.
all the people you listed are right wingers that the majority of Americans find distasteful. It’s terrible for the royals that the their American fans are mostly die-hard Trumpers. These are the same royals who took pains not be be photographed with the Trump spawn, even though they fell all over themselves to be photographed with Obama. Their politics align with Trumpers, but they don’t want the world to know that.
royal=MAGA is TERRIBLE for Brand Royal in the global marketplace.
Fox News viewership is in the decline. And as for Hannity, Candace Owens and F–ker Carlson, please. If Harry and Meghan are focusing on women’s empowerment, media disinformation, the environment, systemic racism, etc in what world would that bunch support them? So it doesn’t matter what Harry and Meghan say moving forward, the reaction is always going to be negative from the right wingnuts. Fortunately, Fox News’ reach doesn’t exceed its grasp.
So…
All of us are Meghan now? All 330- odd million of us? Meghanmerica?
Stay salty, Britain.
Harry being gaslighted being called damaged. Just like what happened to Diana.
Rubbing their heads together, had me laughing
I’m not familiar with Camilla, how is she journalist? From her current words… She acts more like a crazy disgruntled old lady, that can’t get over the fact, that her kind of rhetoric is no longer tolerated today.
Camilla is so disgusting. They were fine exploiting a 12 year old boy by taking pictures of him while his family exploited him by forcing him to walk behind his mother’s coffin to make the Royals look better. But Americans are exploiting him for recognizing his talents and embracing them….nice try Carmel Toe. You terrorized H&M out of the country so word of advice, start budget shopping because with Kate the Great and Willnot kin the covers of papers times are going to be lean.
I think Harry was careful in his choice to speak with Dax. The whole point of that show is to normalize discussion surrounding mental health and treatment for mental health issues. God knows Dax overshares. Listeners also know that he is very…let’s call it “Michigan” and isn’t a fan of monarchy. While ratings are important, i sincerely don’t believe that “the interviewers” were out there to exploit a prince. His mental health work is very much in line with the theme of the show.
Bull to the shit, Camilla. Talking about mental health issues is HEALTHY. Repressing trauma for decades (William? Prince Charles?) is extremely unhealthy and can lead to incandescent rage, inability to work, sociopathic, underhanded killing of family members (wife? son? daughter-in-law? grandson?) reckless disregard of others’ mental health, gas lighting, lying, clandestine affairs, wishing to be a tampon, stalking perceived enemies to other continents, etc. So who is it that’s actually damaged, Camilla? And believe me, I’m not excluding you.
Lol JFerber
Harry had a uniquely dysfunctional childhood. Plenty of kids grow up with feuding/divorced parents, affairs, step parents, etc. And sadly many children have to cope with the death of a parent/adult loved one, but the Windsors really know how to outdo all normal dysfunction. Credit where due.
Just remembered how hard Dax and his cohost went in about the so-called royal experts at the very end of the segment. Wonder if Tominey listened to that part? Lol
In 2016 a British philosopher, Alain de Bottom wrote a book entitled ” The course of love” where he postulated that many human beings show love towards others poorly, not because they are damaged but was shown love in the same manner. As he puts it, most of us are doing the best we can under the circumstances.
What is remarkable is as many human beings discover this fact they try to do something about it just as Prince Harry did. The fact that he realizes the importance of destigmatizing this situation, along with the inability to cope, and has made them his purpose and mission as part of his unique approach to universal service should be applauded. Instead it is being met with passive aggression by this person.
Jason is no longer there so the BM cannot use him as the front to hide their obvious xenophobia and biases.
Harry was treated contemptuously as content since he was born especially his teen age years as part of a fictitious mythical fairy tale.
It became a ‘problem’ when he used the law to do something about it.
What he has demonstrated so far in the few appearances is his wit and intelligence and knowledge of the subject matter: most importantly his character.
There is no need for the unscrupulous BM to try to define him nor provide him with character references or manage his reputation.
Literally, the ROttenRota in the UK: WE are the only ones who get to exploit our “damaged” Prince. 🤣🤣🤣
Boooooooo. Lol