Two very stupid, petty and small things happened around the Duke and Duchess of Sussex’s royal titles and their “placement” within the Windsor klan. For whatever record, Meghan and Harry are in Montecito, enjoying their lives and going to the beach every day. But on Salty White Folk Isle, people cannot help themselves. They just want to be awful and stupidly nasty. For the first story, the background is that Prince William and Prince Harry technically “own” their mother’s wedding gown. Usually, the gown is on display at Althorp, the estate of the Earl Spencer. But the gown is currently on display at Kensington Palace, and of course they had to get stupidly petty with the placards:
Dresses worn by the Princess of Wales went on public display at Kensington Palace last week, with the placard “Lent by HRH the Duke of Cambridge and HRH the Duke of Sussex”. But under the Megxit terms decided with the Queen at the “Sandringham summit” the Sussexes were allowed to keep, but not use, their HRH titles. Notices for the dress display will now be changed to reflect Harry’s new status, The Sunday Times reports.
Harry, 36, and William, 38, donated two of their mother’s dresses to the Royal Style in the Making show. A spokesman for the Royal Collection Trust, said the dresses were “loaned by HRH the Duke of Cambridge and the Duke of Sussex”.
They added “due to an administrative error, for which the Royal Collection Trust was responsible, the labels were incorrect and will be updated”.
The two dresses on show are Diana’s famous ivory taffeta and lace wedding gown, designed by David and Elizabeth Emanuel.
The first placard was right – it should have the HRHs for both Harry and William. Harry’s HRH was not removed, H&M just said “who cares.” But on something formal like a palace exhibit featuring the wedding gown of his mother, Harry’s HRH should be included. And it’s incredible that they’re doing this over an exhibition including Diana’s wedding gown. Diana, who had her HRH removed. Diana, who would be so proud of her younger son for getting out.
Meanwhile, the Royal Family made some special arrangements on their website:
Meghan Markle and Prince Harry have been demoted on the official Royal Family website since they left their senior roles and moved to the US. The Duke and Duchess of Sussex are now listed below Prince Edward and Sophie Wessex, as well as the Princess Royal and the Duke of York on the official site.
The Prince of Wales’ growing role as an active heir preparing to ascend to the throne is reflected in his own promotion to the top of the ‘Royal Family’ section on www.royal.uk. The Queen has been removed and is instead featured higher on the page.
Despite the reshuffle, the website still claims the Duke and Duchess of Sussex will be ‘balancing their time’ between the UK and the US. Of the website change, Buckingham Palace told MailOnline it had no comment ‘other than that we refresh the website regularly’.
Elsewhere, the Princess Royal was moved up five places to sit below the Duchess of Cambridge on the website page. And the Prince and Princess Michael of Kent were added to the bottom, just beneath the Duke and Duchess of Gloucester.
Under the Duke and Duchess of Sussex the website reads: ‘They are continuing to honour their duty to The Queen, the Commonwealth, and their patronages. Frogmore Cottage in the UK remains their family home. The Duchess will continue to support a number of charitable causes and organisations which reflect the issues with which she has long been associated including the arts, access to education, support for women and animal welfare.’
The fact that H&M have been “demoted” on the Windsors’ site is not some big deal? A little bit surprised that they didn’t do this back in March of this year, when the Sussexes’ “one year review” was over and H&M told Her Maj “service is universal.” I’m not as offended by this as the HRH-placard debacle, honestly.
Photos courtesy of Avalon Red, Backgrid.
It seems they are slowly trying to erase Prince Harry. Someone must be really mad at him to punish him like this. I wonder who.
They have no control over his life anymore. All they have left is petty actions like this.
Harry thriving must really set them off.
The Windsors are all struggling to stay afloat and that will o my last so long.
After the queen passes it’s going to unleash pure chaos.
I agree with you, KAISER, I find the action to correct (and publicize that correction) on an info card at an exhibit to be much more disturbing. I think TOB gets a real hard on from making sure this level of petty vindictiveness continues and is reported on. I see his fingerprints all over the removal of HRH from a small card at a dress exhibit of their mother’s clothes. I’m sure Harry is way past being upset by William’s pathetic BS on things like this. The world knows that Harry is also Diana’s son and nothing William does can rewrite that fact. William is just continues to prove how small he is.
Since Willy wants to be petty and remove Harry Hrh and yes I am calling Willy on this one , I say if I were Harry then you can go ahead with your big head and unveil the statue without me, I have two babies and a wife who need me .
Charles is known to be evil and petty. I think his efforts to erase Diana are now going on to his son. Gross stay tanned and moisturized Sussexes
Only the monarch can bestow and remove someone’s HRH title. So if this wasn’t the queen’s doing, then perhaps she is too senile to know/understand what Charles or William is doing. (I know Charles and William will be the monarch one day, but they’re not there yet). If the queen IS aware and approves of this, then it is like I said during the exit that Harry and Meghan’s HRH titles were taken away by the queen.
The titles were not removed. They just agreed not to use them or the styling
Something very big and very ugly is lurking just beneath the still waters over there. I have been saying this on this site since the oddly-timed announcement of the Spotify deal. It just keeps building and W&K spending time in Scotland has nothing to do with any possible vote for Scottish independence (don’t even know how G. Brown can even keep a straight face as he spits out that bold-faced lie).
H told Corden: I zoom with my grandparents. Now he is down to 1 Zoom-worthy family member. H wasn’t going to let his grandfather’s death be used to manipulate him, even the embassy has no connection to Harry. He won’t let the Queen’s passing be used to manipulate him either; If Harry’s family or the British press think otherwise, oh man, wait until they see what happens when the gloves come off
This kind of petty stuff is all the BRF have left because H&M DO NOT CARE. Like us on this website care more than they do. Like…weren’t the crisis managers supposed to stop the flailing about?
It’s super petty but I honestly really believe Harry and Meghan do not care. They said that they were prepared to lose whatever is left to be lost. Speaking out was more important for them.
It drives the BRF crazy that Harry and Meghan are living their best lives.
It’s so petty and intended to be hurtful, which is what pisses me off on their behalf, but as an American I love welcoming H & M into the fold. Being royal launched them into global fame, but it’s not what keeps them there. Diana was even more beloved without her HRH than with it, so the RF really has no play here. They escaped the firm AND are making names for themselves at private citizens. And we’re all here for it.
The HRH placard is just petty. Harry is still HRH. He agreed to not use it, so maybe technically just having him as Prince Harry is correct according to “protocol” but it’s still petty. They still refer to Beatrice and Eugenie as HRH in their social media announcements about them and they’re not working royals.
Also in context of this being Diana’s gown…..yeah, just petty.
The website thing seems normal to me except why is Andrew still on there so prominently?
Lol. So the Bitter Brother got a vengeful little placard, and the Better Brother got the world. Sounds like a good trade.
Exactly, plus I thought the agreement was to not use the HRH for commercial ventures? Since William is part of it, how could it be “commercial”. These people are full of sh!t, on the one hand demanding Harry “” honor his duty” and on the other hand rejecting and trying to humiliate him.
I don’t believe they are still HRH. When the monarch says you cannot use that title, it means you do not have that title. That’s the way titles work. It’s not something tangible like a car — you can have a car and not use it. If you cannot ever use a title, then you don’t have it. I don’t know why people think the queen would *never* do such a thing, she’s as petty as the rest of them (or best case, she allows others to make these decisions for her).
The HRH is only removed by letters patent since Harry got it at birth. There is no letters patent by the Queen removing it, as was done after Diana and Fergie were divorced and as such Harry and Meghan still have their HRH.
Removing it for a display about Diana is just petty and inaccurate.
That is not the way titles work. There are laws governing this so regardless of how you or anyone else thinks it should work or looks like it works, they have the titles. They agreed not to use them.
HRH titles are not like titles in the peerage system (Duke, Earl, etc.). HRH is bestowed by proclamation of the monarch, and is taken away by proclamation of the monarch. A “Letter Patent” is only a written statement, which can include a press statement. That’s why Edwards kids are not HRH (when Edward got married, the queen said, in a written statement (i.e. a letter patent) that his kids would be styled as the children of an earl, and not with the HRH title). A statement by the queen that Harry and Meghan cannot use “HRH” anymore is just as effective. There is no legal format required for a “letter patent.”
@MrsK – no, Edward’s kids are still HRH. They are not styled HRH like you said, but they still have it as grandchildren in the male line of the monarch. Sophie gave an interview a few months ago talking about how when they were 18 it would be their choice to use it or not (and to go by Princess or not for Louise, who is 17 I think?) but she thought they set them up well etc etc. But they definitely can use it at age 18 if they choose to do so.
It seems like you don’t actually know what you’re talking about, so we’ll leave it at that.
Yeah that’s not how titles work Krabapple
Edwards kids are HRH they are just not styled that way, they can choose at 18 to use their HRH titles and stylings.
And Harry’s HRH would have to be removed in parliament, and pretty much the only reason they could do it would be if he committed a treasonous act. Which he hasn’t.
So yeah, you don’t actually know what you are talking about
LOL — actually, I do know what I’m talking about, more than any of you.
Do some research. Royal styles and titles are a matter of royal prerogative, that does not require the advice of the government (the Letters Patent of 1917 were issued without any such advice). The sovereign’s will and pleasure is all that matters, and she can change styles and titles as she pleases (see the documents concerning the style of the Duke of Windsor’s wife and issue, in particular the view of the Law Officers that “the right to use this style or title, in our view, is within the prerogative of His Majesty and he has the power to regulate it by Letters Patent generally or in particular circumstances”, their view of the “undoubted powers of the Sovereign from time to time to determine the ambit within which the style and title of Royal Highness should be enjoyed”, and the opinion of Sir Geoffrey Ellis that “precedence not regulated by law is substantially that granted at Court and this is a question for the Crown”). How that pleasure is publicized, by letters patent, warrant, press release or verbal declaration, is immaterial.
The queen (or Charles) may certainly decide to grant Edward’s kids the HRH title when they turn 18. But until that happens, they are not HRH. The statement Elizabeth made when Edward got married simply said his children will only be styled as children of an earl — it said NOTHING about what happens when they turn 18. Sophie may be projecting her hopes, or maybe the queen assured Sophie privately, but unless and until the monarch publicly grants them the titles or rescinds the statement made when Edward got married, they don’t have them.
You are so wrong it’s ridiculous
It is true that when Edward and Sophie married, they and the Queen agreed their children would not be styled HRH. The statement on the wedding day specifically said “The Queen has also decided, with the agreement of The Prince Edward and Miss Rhys-Jones, that any children they might have should not be given the style His or Her Royal Highness, but would have courtesy titles as sons or daughters of an Earl.”
However, Harry and Meghan DID NOT have their HRH titles removed. The statement from the royal family when they stepped back read “The Sussexes will not use their HRH titles as they are no longer working members of the Royal Family.” – They will not *use* their HRH titles, not that they have given them up, not that the queen has stripped them of the HRH. Compare that to Diana, who very clearly had the HRH title removed entirely.
@MrsK I mean that is against everything I have ever read about Sophie and Edward’s kids, where the letters patent of 1917 still control. The children are entitled to HRH, they just don’t use it, which was probably a smart choice on their part, but they are entitled to it. As it stands now the same is true for Archie when Charles becomes king.
If Harry and Meghan’s HRHs had been removed, we would have heard. 100% that would have leaked out by now.
The royals are grasping for hammers to bash Meghan and Harry with, but those hammers are made of air.
I read this on DM on Friday, along with a story that baby was due on Philips 100th birthday by caesarean and would be called Pip. I swear to God! All the families troubles cN be traced back to tabloid press and how some of them use the press to F with each other.
Plain pettiness ugly face 😵💫
All this shows is that, per usual, everyone working there is incompetent.
Harry is still HRH. He just cannot personally or professionally use these titles. In this case, he is not using them. But they want to try and distinguish the brothers somehow since they can’t very well put “the heir” or “FFK” on the plaque.
We are currently in the month of June and they are just now updating their website to reflect decisions that were officially made in March and likely WELL before that (at least for Harry & Meghan).
Probably instigated by TOB after the baby name announcement and the best selling book. 🙄
Exactly, this is a hit back for the baby name
Curious that Charles is being petty towards Harry but *also* now has himself at the top of the family tree. No hand-wringing in the press about Chuck erasing the Queen?
It feels like Charles has kicked the regency into high gear following Philip’s death.
And if this sort of nonsense is what he allows during his ‘soft’ regency, i tremble to think what he’ll do to H & M when he becomes king. I don’t think he can hurt them much financially or physically, but he could embarrass them, somehow. And he wonders why he’s so unpopular …
Well, we all saw what he did to Diana.
Sad! And Harry knows. 😔
Feels like King Charles III’s court is going to be a sh*tshow.
I just looked at the Royal website for the first time ever. The listings are ridiculous especially considering that Prince Harry and his Children are closer to the throne than almost everyone on that list except for PW and PC. This pettiness is so immature, unprofessional and pathetic. I wish Prince Harry had been born first, but he is so far down in the line of succession with the three children PW has produced legitimately that barring a major catastrophe he is not a threat to PC or PW. I do not get the constant pettiness and leaking horribly racist and demeaning things about the Duke and Duchess of Sussex.
Do they not see that Prince Harry will eventually say enough and come out full force with receipts, names and his legal teams in the USA and UK? They are leaving him no choice if he wants his family safe. He already let them know by his taking Meghan and Archie across the World that he was not playing a game it was a huge statement on exactly who his “family” is and it isn’t the petty idiots who run the Monarchy like a elementary schoolyard bully.
I think that they should clean house in the firm and get this under control before PC ever becomes King because I see a very factual tell all book filled with records and receipts being released or the records and receipts being entered into evidence in a federal or California court case and with Meghan and their children being USA citizens living in the USA she will have home field advantage and no one can stop that.
I believe that the only reason that this has not happened is out of respect/concern for the Queen, but holding your crying wife and fear for your children’s safety is what will tip the scales and asking repeatedly for it to stop seems to embolden the real bullies. I think it is time for cold hard facts and for the nameless sources to be exposed. Prince Harry is not after the thrown, he just wants his family safe and the racist bullying and hateful lies spread by faceless sources along with harassing rags to stop.. I know I would not have been as strong as these two have been throughout all of this, they are truly awe inspiring.
Brits may love this sh*t but they don’t live on British soil anymore and Americans are not amused and we are paying more attention now. (Smartest thing I read was that H&M trademarked/copyrighted and bought all versions of the domain names that could be used to harass their children.. they alone have the rights to their children’s names. So the trash making money by using the children’s names could be facing more legal issues than libel and harassment)
Who cares? Meghan and Harry don’t. This sounds like William trying to lord over the fact he’s not longer an HRH.
I imagine William boasting about how Harry isn’t an HRH and Harry rolling his eyes and saying “okay, by the way I heard Papa is threatening to shrink yours and Kate’s allowance again.”
“okay, by the way I heard Papa is threatening to shrink yours and Kate’s allowance again…”
…and exile you to Scotland.
Lmao! Yes! But I feel like Scotland will do them both good. It’ll definitely give their kids some character.
LOL I can see this convo happening (well if they were talking to each other) – William being all “I’m HRH and you’re NOT!” and Harry being like “yeah but I make my own money and have freedom so who wins?”
I can’t imagine Harry gives a rat’s a$$ about any of that. He left because it was toxic, he’s not going to sit in California stewing over his placement on a website. Who cares?
Harry and Meghan are not working royals so they should have been removed from the site rather than demoted. But maybe courtiers believe demoting on the site is a way of humiliating Harry and Meghan. I don’t think they care about this they have their own website. As for the placard at KP, Harry’s still HRH so in things royal related it should be used. I expect when the Queen dies Harry will be stripped of his titles and HRH.
Below Andrew what a stupid mistake.
I don’t get the “they keep the titles but can’t use them” thing.
What does that even mean? What’s the point of keeping them if they can’t use them? And are they really theirs if they can’t be used?
How do you even differentiate between the two?
I thought they were not to use HRH in business. It was a dumb request to not use the HRH and of course leads to this type of error. They are still HRH and that is how they should be addressed.
He agreed to not use the HRH for commercial endeavors. This display is not that. And technically the palace, not Harry would be using the HRH, as they wrote the plaque. This is eye roll level stupidity.
And the website? The names should be listed in order of secession. End of.
I don’t think the website should be order of succession. They’d end up having to add Beatrice, Eugenie and Edward’s kids before Anne. They always start with order of succession and then switch to order of precedent after William for pretty much everything. The only weird thing is that Kate and Sophie come before William and Edward. Everything else is just business as usual. H&M haven’t even really been demoted. It’s the correct order. If they stuck to just order of precedent than it would be less confusing and it would be clear to people it wasn’t a demotion. William is just before Harry in order of precedent. All the Queen’s kids are above him.
No one cares. This just further shows how little planning goes into what they do. We all know the HRH was not to be used per the exit term agreement. You would think whoever put the exhibit together would have ensured that the HRH designation not be used. Just another example of piss poor planning.
And while they continue to hold the threat of titles removal over the Sussexes’ heads, the Sussexes are unbothered on the other side of the world with two kids, a loving grandma, dogs, chickens, good weather, seasoned food, and no leakage from their staff.
“…seasoned food…” LMAO!!!!!
I’ll bet he could GAF
Same.
This just tells you everything you need to know about the priorities of the people who work at KP. With everything going in inside and out of the UK, with the monarchy’s brand unquestionably in peril, THIS is where they allocate time and effort -removing three letters from a placard on an exhibit, and moving one brother further up on a website. Seriously.
In the process, they’ve given us a pretty good idea of their own weaknesses, but I doubt Harry cares at all! They must be so bitter.
Palace sources tell me that it was the courtiers that had the HRH conniption and ran it by Chuck’s people that said “that will show them” not realizing that what they really did was show their hand to the world. When asked what Harry and Meghan’s reaction was to the snub, the palace aides were heartbroken to find out that their attempt to wound H&M was usurped by the birth of Lil’ Lilbet and not even noticed. This is the real reason they are so damn bitter against a 5 day old baby.
It’s kinda like in Harry Potter where an infant was able to take down the “most powerful wizard” in his own mind.
I had the immediate image of the courtiers skulking around the palace looking exactly like the evil Madam Dolores Jane Umbridge 😂🤣
It does reek of the courtiers, doesn’t it? I think all the men in gray are falling over each other, keystone cops style, to please Charles and execute his ideals. Tina Brown CBE is saying that Will wants reconciliation, she is very well connected and she sources what she says. I have a soft spot for her ever since she edited the New Yorker, and she guests with Gayle King on CBS. Between Tina’s high placed sources in Britain and Gayle’s sources in the House of Sussex you can get a better picture than the sorry lot of royal rota will give.
If Will wants reconciliation, surely he can have it any time as long as he owns his own shit and apologises? But if he wants H and M to come crawling back, well, he ain’t getting that. they owe that deluded egoist nothing.
Looking at the pics of the funeral, PWT did not look like he was interested in reconciliation, he could have done it right there and then. I really wonder where this is coming from.
Things done in spite will come back to bite!
You bet and I hope it backfires. The BRF sure have been stepping in it lately. Those PR people really aren’t helping, are they?
TOB is petty. Regardless of what he does, Harry is Diana’s son. Harry is still HRH Prince Henry, Duke of Sussex. William can’t take that away, except on a placard. As for the Royal Family website, I don’t see it as a big deal. They aren’t part of the Magnificent Seven and will never be again. Leaving Andrew up where he is is the head scratcher, but I’m sure as soon as the Queen passes, Charles will bump him down into obscurity.
I’m would think Harry doesn’t care much about this petty stuff.
BUT it is still painful that his family is choosing to try to hurt him
I have no contact with my malignant narc sister and where the actual crap she does I just roll my eyes at, the fact that she hates me so much and does this shit does still hurt.
If that makes sense
This is not only disrespectful to Harry but also to DIana’s memory.
There are a lot of petty people around the royal family. Stuffy sticklers for titles and protocol and that the royal family doesn’t slap them down for this says a lot.
They’re stupid. Scottish Twitter is going off on the royals. They’re pushing for independence. This petty ish is actually helping Wales and Scotland and Ireland push to remove the monarchy. They’re like look at how they hold up a nonce over a son who pays his own bills and has a black wife. The more they do this the more their commonwealth countries hate them