Yes, I’m getting sick of Robert Lacey and his strategically timed “re-release” of Battle of Brothers. The book originally came out last year and there was some gossip that his publisher made him take out some of the stuff which was more critical to Prince William. Lacey still got shady about William and about the Middletons in general, which is why William ran to Lacey to get Lacey to write “his side” of things, meaning the bullsh-t about Meghan “bullying” staffers at Kensington Palace. Lacey dutifully wrote new chapters for Battle of Brothers and the book is coming out again and Lacey is on yet another promotional tour. Lacey’s interviews seemingly break more news than the book, though. It was that way last year too. Lacey spoke to Tom Sykes at the Daily Beast and here are some highlights:
The statue unveiling. “Thursday is make or break. It is not the last chance, but it is the best chance. It’s a very difficult situation. It’s easy for outsiders to say ‘get over it,’ but it’s a lot to get over: accusations of racism, accusations of bullying behavior, these are very serious things, and so far, one sees no sign of backing down on either side.”
Palace courtiers are sick of the feud: “Everyone else is keen to move on, but in respect of this dispute, the brothers themselves seem stuck in the past, fighting out some personal battle. If you look at the actual grounds of the dispute between them, it arguably starts with William’s suggestion that Harry should move more slowly, and William questioning Harry whether he was sure “this girl” would fit into their system. Well, the brothers got over that. But, as I reveal in the update of the book, the split of the households came about with the revelations to William of the allegations of bullying against Meghan.”
The significance of putting Diana’s statue in the Sunken Garden: “The queen wouldn’t have put it up there. Charles certainly would not have. It is very much the work of the brothers themselves. This is a new site of royal pilgrimage, one that people will visit for centuries, and it is the two brothers’ achievement and joint homage to their mother—made not quite in defiance of Charles and the queen, but certainly without any enthusiasm on the part of the royal establishment. The fact it is going to be up there represents a great joint project joint by the brothers, so one hopes it will stimulate some sort of reconciliation.”
The Sussexes & the Platinum Jubilee: “It is absolutely crucial for the monarchy for the Sussexes all to be there [on the balcony]. If after 70 years, the mixed-race members of the family are not on that balcony it will be a sorry comment on what has become of the monarchy.”
Both sides-ism: “William cannot preside over a monarchy that excludes the only mixed race members of the family on grounds of sibling dispute. And as far as Meghan and Harry are concerned, the bottom line is that they can have a constructive disagreement with the royal family but if it becomes functional, and if they turn into a modern-day Duke and Duchess of Windsor, then they might cease to be as attractive to their American sponsors. Yes, Meghan was a very successful actress in her own right, but I think even she would acknowledge that she wouldn’t have become an international superstar had she not married in to the royal family. The Sussex brand is, fundamentally, royal.”
William & Harry have to behave on Thursday: “It’s not all going to magically come right on Thursday. But the public will expect to see more than what happened at the funeral. Somehow they have got to deliver some sort of forwards movement, and take some steps towards putting this thing behind them. If they can’t do that, and people go away feeling things are even worse between the brothers, or they are just putting on an act, it will be hugely damaging to both of them—and go against everything their mother stood for.”
You know what this made me remember? How many different “things” we’ve heard as “the reason” why William is mad at Harry and Meghan. The current version is clearly this lie that Meghan bullied staffers. Remember when the reason was “William was furious the Sussexes didn’t tell the Queen about exiting” or “William was so mad about Archie’s christening” or “William hated how Meghan made Kate cry”? Whatever happened to all of those “reasons”? At what point does Robert Lacey and everyone else just have to admit that William is a rage-monster and a bully?
As for what Lacey says about Meghan and how the Sussexes “need” the royals for their own brand… Lacey has literally no idea what he’s talking about. Harry and Meghan will be incredibly successful in California whether or not William ever stops being engorged with rage. H&M don’t need a royal connection. At all.
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There is no way they’re making up at the unveiling. They will totally ignore each other. Really-Harry is going to try and let things be smoothed over after William has bashed his wife through the tabloids for the last week with the fake story of bullying the staff? Never going to happen. They’re never going to make amends. There will be situations where they have to exist in the same space and they’ll be civil or just flat out look through each other. And Robert Lacey is so far in his old, white colonial bubble he can’t see that H & M don’t remotely “need” the royal family.
“And as far as Meghan and Harry are concerned, the bottom line is that they can have a constructive disagreement with the royal family but if it becomes functional, and if they turn into a modern-day Duke and Duchess of Windsor, then they might cease to be as attractive to their American sponsors. Yes, Meghan was a very successful actress in her own right, but I think even she would acknowledge that she wouldn’t have become an international superstar had she not married in to the royal family. The Sussex brand is, fundamentally, royal.”
Old man Lacey and the establishment are very very scared that the Sussex brand has now superseded the royal brand. The Sussexes are now THE brand.
The analogy he is making between H&M and the Duke and Duchess of Windsor doesn’t work at all. Unlike the abdicated king, Harry has always been far enough down the line of succession that he never had any influence of how the monarchy functions. As a historian, Lacey should know that.
Not just that, but Harry IS royal. Period. He was BORN royal, and no matter if they strip EVERY. SINGLE. TITLE. he will ALWAYS be royal by the matter of his birth.
Harry has the magic of his mother. He has her charisma, her charm, her empathy, her warmth, and compassion for people. He has her DESIRE to help, to do good for the world and its people. Diana wanted to make a difference.
THIS is Harry in spades.
TOBB? Not at all. His only desires seem to be to be fawned over, and to do as little as possible while reaping EVERY. SINGLE. BENEFIT. he can for himself, monetarily and physically. Reminds me of another “Hector Projector” when he called Harry and Meghan “damaged goods”.
H&M are also unlike the D&D of Windsor because they are working and supporting themselves with their OWN projects. They are not living off royal funds. It’s the usual pathetic BM wish for H&M to be less popular.
“but if it becomes functional”
Should it not be, “but if it becomes dysfunctional”?????
I really do not get the “but if it becomes functional” and what he is trying to say.
FYI: Yes, I have had 10 cups of coffee and that is what scares me!
they really do want to take credit for the sussexes’ achievements.
It’s actually the other way round now. For a start, Harry is royal, and that’s not ever going to change, but the Sussex brand has far outstripped the BRF Royal brand in influence, engagement and appeal, proof being that no-one reads their stories unless Harry, Meghan, Archie or Lili are somehow smuggled into the headline. Duchess Kate the other day described as ‘Lilibet’s aunt!’
(THE OG) You are so right. Harry doesn’t need to dedicate his life to ribbon cutting to be Royal. He is the son of Prince Charles and Princess Diana. His Grandmother is the Queen. The branding is already there.
I don’t love everything about my sister’s husbands, but I would never trash them privately much less publicly. I don’t know how people who champion mental health are so blind to their own generational toxicity. I applaud Harry and Meghan for breaking the cycle.
THANK YOU! FINALLY someone says this, all their guffawing about mental health, and William has more issues than Vogue and is just on a projection binge! I’m so sick of them! H&M have blown the salty little island to pieces and have left the BRF in their dust…they’re stratosphering now, and will always be much, much, much bigger, and more beneficial, than all the other nobody Royals combined. UGH!
“At what point does Robert Lacey and everyone else just have to admit that William is a rage-monster and a bully?”
That’s it isn’t? Will has an anger issue that he has yet to deal with and it will continue to ruin his relationships.
He’s like The Hulk, he’s always angry.
I kind of feel like they are? In 99% of the stories about William there are references to his temper or petulance – his “refusal to concede” etc. Then there will be a random article about how William isn’t angry, he’s just sad or he’s moved on or whatever. To me those articles are signs that SOMEONE at one of the palaces realizes how bad it is to always describe the future head of state as “incandescent with rage” all the time so they try to pull back on that narrative.
But his anger, his entitlement etc are a constant in the royal stories. I don’t think the RRs are really trying to hide it at this point .
Diana’s statue will be visited for centuries? I very much doubt it. These royal commentators really do get stuck in their own world. Most people below a certain age have little knowledge of Diana and, beyond The Crown viewers, this generaton onwards won’t have any interest in this monument.
I just hope the statue isn’t ugly! You never know. Weird there’s no talk about the statue itself, what it looks like, etc. Just the brothers drama, being milked by the British tabs to no one’s benefit. How about addressing the real issues if you want to talk about it so much? All we ever hear is “hurtful allegations of racism” instead of addressing the actual real problems which really happened to a real person. “Never complain, never explain” is wearing pretty damn thin.
P.S. Not to thread-jack, but this is a good article: https://todifordaily.com/2021/06/why-im-not-touching-the-new-robert-lacey-info-until-after-princess-dianas-statue-unveiling/
Thank you, TeamMeg. I read it and thought it raised good points.
Most people below a certain age have little awareness of the Plantagenets either. Doesn’t mean they are not important. People will visit.
Good point. Thing is, with global warming and AI, I don’t think history has much of a future. Things we consider important and everlasting, even our monuments, will become obsolete faster than we think at this current point in time.
Does Lacey have whiplash from this bonkers, opposite-spectrum commentary?!? I know I do! Every segment from this damn book is a complete 180 from what was said/released directly before it.
Yep so what’s the difference between a historian and a PR mouthpiece cuz he is coming across as William’s songwriter. He’s a bard singing for his supper. Honestly, it’s fine to chronicle the future future king’s thoughts cuz they are hella revealing but his analysis is steeped in some willful ignorance. Does he really wana go down as the historian that failed to analyze the way in which a biracial woman was strait up bullied by the monarchy. Hinting about the sharp elbows is not enough.
OMG, yes! And Lacey goes on to say (I believe in this interview) that in order for things to work that Meghan needs to put away her PR machine for a while. I read that and completely lost my mind. This is a woman who spoke out in March and has not been seen publicly since! She had a baby, quietly announced it on their foundation website days later, released a kids book with no real fanfare and no promo tour except a quiet interview on NPR. What do they want from her??? Oh, I forgot, they want her to stop existing, because that is all there is left to make her even quieter. I am so POed about this old, leaky, palace butt-kisser saying she has to be quieter. I could spit nails!
What PR machine???
@BlueToile, it makes me furious also because if Meghan was any quieter she would be dead, I guess that would be their preference. What was it that royal family member said regarding Diana’s death, “it was a tragic solution to a terrible problem.” I guess they are hoping for another such solution with regards to Meghan. I look forward to the time when she’s ready to come back and the world is a little safer to be out and about. I hope she’s EVERYWHERE and overshadow everyone and everything in those awful palaces.
BayTamapaBay, is he talking about the Sussex Squad? That’s not a PR machine, but they are always there to counter the lies of the BM. That’s the only thing I can think of.
Lacey probably had a “gun” put to his head by Cain (William) or a Courtier to change the narrative in the first book which does NOT show William in a good light. However, too late he cannot unring the bell. I have read books by other authors who said the same things about William. In fact, in a book Camila said that William has a violent temper; he even behaves the same way with his father.. In regard to his dad, I do understand that what he did to Princess Diana and what they saw as kids made him that way.
Prince Harry is Royal…there’s the connection. The fact that he’s Royal and chose his American wife over the Family that American blood was shed on the battle field to establish our Democracy is the reason Harry/Meghan will be successful in the US. The Brits are CLUELESS and really don’t understand Americans. Americans love a good comeback story wrapped in a true love story. The more drama the better. By the way the only reason the world would be interested in The Queens Jubilee is because the Sussex Family is on that balcony…otherwise it’s just another day outside of the UK. Kay needs to rethink who needs who. Trust me BP will be licking the Sussex’s arse to get them on that balcony
“ The fact that he’s Royal and chose his American wife over the Family that American blood was shed on the battle field to establish our Democracy is the reason Harry/Meghan will be successful in the US.”
Can I get an AMEN!! Harry telling the monarchy to fuck off is as American as apple pie. Americans are LOVING this
I love this entire comment! 😀
Say it loud for the people in the back!!!!!!
From a crisis management perspective, they need to cut ties for good. I would have advised Harry not to go back for the statue unveiling, and instead done something constructive in California for Pride and related it to her work with folks with HIV. Endow a scholarship for advocates or folks with HIV to go to law school or something.
Every time he engages with his family it chips away at the credibility of their stories of abuse.
It’s disgraceful. Every time Harry steps foot in England, it’s carte blanche on both he and Meghan because they feel he’s on their turf and not thousands of miles away. Not that it’s ever stopped them with their hate mongering wherever he is, but the animosity against HM is ramped up to a whole new level. The attacks against Diana in the latest vile article has descended to a new low and you know that’s got to cut like a knife for Harry.
And to add, the remarks by Robert Lacey that Meghan should concede to the RF is despicable and delusional. Harry’s only been there for a couple of days and the coverage has been next level disgusting from all sides. If l were HM, it would be a very long time before this island ever saw me again. And l believe this desire of the queen for them to attend her Jubilee next year is her own ploy to keep them half in. And as long as she’s alive, Harry will be suckered into doing what she requests because of his fondness for her.
The statute unveiling isn’t a royal event- it’s for Harry’s late mother who was divorced when she died. He doesn’t have an issue with the Spencers as far as we are aware (except maybe Earl Spencer) so not sure why he should miss this event just because William will be there.
And whilst I understand the sentiment it seems simplistic for people to say if Harry is seen with his brother it impacts the credibility of his & Meghan’s claims. It’s like saying an abused woman can’t be believed when she reunites with her violent partner after filing a police report. How many grin and bear it around a racist/sexist boss or colleague? In reality it’s very common for people to be around those that do/have done them harm.
I definitely hope Meghan never feels compelled to do emotional labour around those who wish her harm just to keep the peace etc & if I was in her shoes I’d want to keep a distance from all of them. But whilst we can talk about their brand etc it is also Harry’s family so it’s complicated navigating this against a massive institution that is made up of his relatives.
Yes, I was just going to post this. Harry didn’t suddenly drop off the family tree – he’s Royal and always will be. And, at the end of the day, Harry and Meghan’s success in the US will not be because of Harry’s royal connections – it might have gotten their foot in the door, but Americans like to see action and they like to see results.
Yes! I’m American and unlike a few of my friends, I am not besotted by Olde England and I wasn’t obsessed with Downton Abbey. I like British people and I love history, don’t get me wrong, but the whole system strikes me as musty. I didn’t watch the William/Kate wedding. I was never even very interested in Diana.
To the point, I had no interest in the Royals until Harry Met Meghan. Then I actually watched the Lifetime movie (twice) AND the wedding, and I’ve been a fan since. And I watched The Crown because Harry and Meghan sparked some interest in the family. Otherwise, I don’t think I would have bothered. Season 4 was my favorite because Diana was in it.
The brothers seem stuck in the past and can’t get past the dispute. Um there are literally ongoing allegations against Meghan and a so-called investigation. That is a present thing happening right now so this idea of being stuck in the past is false. Ain’t no getting past anything until that investigation is concluded, come what may. So Lacey is either an idiot or a liar. Eh he’s probably both.
It is fascinating how Lacey tries to keep “both sides-ing” it when the issue is so blatantly William’s trash behavior towards Meghan, and his support of employees and the rota rats in their trash behavior towards Meghan.
I don’t understand the bit about the “constructive disagreement…but if it becomes functional….” is he saying that if the Firm cleans up its act and stops being racist and sexist and xenophobic then H&M will have no dispute with the Firm and they’ll become unpopular?
That’s….not going to happen. People in the US arent like “oh Harry hates his family, that’s why we love him!” People like him because he said “I’m going to protect my wife and support my family and screw the palaces and jewels and parades.”
I do agree that the royal family needs H&M. It’s going to be a very bad look if they are sidelined during the jubilee next year, esp if people like B&E are attending events etc. It doesnt mean I think H&M need to give the family those photo ops, just that the BRF needs them.
I know, I read that sentence three times, and I’m still not sure I understand it.
I think he was saying that the Sussexes have stardom because of their connection to the royal family, but if it their and the royal family’s disagreement becomes functional (that is, they are entirely broken off from the royal family), they will just be just a couple of boring, rootless exiles like the Duke and Duchess of Windsor.
Makes sense – “functional” = total. Maybe he feels that Sussexit, like the Death Star, isn’t fully operational yet. Lacey’s living in that murky place where people still think Harry might come back.
They expect Harry and Meghan to come up with the ideas, do the work and give credit to Cain and Waity Do-Little Katie. In addition, they expect H&M to walk behind them like pet dogs.
Meghan should never set food back in the UK or they may do a “Diana” on her.
With regards to that weird sentence see my comment above?
I am glad I am not the only CBer who does not understand what Lacey wrote.
*I copied the two sentences that really caught my eye, and so that I can refer to them in my post. First, this isn’t a “sibling dispute”. This is about a concerted effort by members of H’s family colluding with the BM in a racist campaign against Harry’s wife. I think we can all agree that the smearing done by the BM was based in racism with xenophobic seasoning. So, no this is not a sibling dispute and it has never been a constructive disagreement. I doubt the Firm or members of the brf are capable of sitting down and discussing racism in a constructive manner in order to understand what it is–let alone how to stop it.
So, “if it becomes functional” is kind of out there on its own. If WHAT becomes functional? If the “constructive disagreement” becomes functional? If the brf becomes functional? So, once whatever becomes functional AND the Sussexes “turn into a modern-day Duke and Duchess of Windsor” they might cease to be as attractive to their American sponsors. So, if whatever becomes functional and the Sussexes become pathetic hangers on funded by the brf their American Sponsors will no longer find them as attractive. I THINK he’s saying that if the BM stfu and quit writing about them ever 5 seconds that their future is writ. They will become the Windsors. I THINK that’s what he’s saying, but who knows. In any event, he’s clearly deluded. What will ensure the Sussexes continued success if what they DO. How well their programming on Netflix is done and is received. How well their programming on Spotify is done and is received. And, I think most importantly, how well Archwell Foundation performs in the charities and programs they champion and fund.
*”William cannot preside over a monarchy that excludes the only mixed race members of the family on grounds of sibling dispute. And as far as Meghan and Harry are concerned, the bottom line is that they can have a constructive disagreement with the royal family but if it becomes functional, and if they turn into a modern-day Duke and Duchess of Windsor, then they might cease to be as attractive to their American sponsors.”
No one needs the royals, I think, except the tabloids that keep drumming up new angles here because they have nothing else to write about. I like reading these stories for the train wreckishness of it all, but even I’m getting bored with the recycled storylines.
Harry and Megan have moved to the US and they aren’t coming back. Their kids will grow up as Americans and will visit their British cousins as the years go on, but they won’t be “royals.” William, Charles et al will continue to wallow in misery, bitterness and paranoia as they increasingly become irrelevant.
Bottom line: Harry escaped and William will never forgive him for getting out. The end.
“Harry escaped, and William will never forgive him for getting out.” Astute observation. I bet every member of the Royal Family, except for the Queen and Charles, would LOVE to ditch the constraints of the Monarchy. William may be trapped in his marriage and his duties and most likely wholeheartedly resents the life that Harry now lives.
@ DellT – William being trapped is one of Harry’s comments that William is so upset about, because it is probably very true. I’m sure he does resent Harry for living more freely and that really twists the knife in.
I guess its sinking in. HARRY IS NOT COMING BACK. THE MONARCHY IS IN ITS DEATH THROES. Its OVER. History will be kind to Harry and Meghan but not the Monarchy. The Royal experts and whatnot are panicking because they realize the very structure of the Monarchy is crumbling. They NEED, yes NEED Harry and Meghan, but its over. They are gone and not coming back. Harry has said he has “seen the business model and wants no part of it.” How much clearer can it get. HE does NOT want any parts of the Monarchy.
Ha ha ha
They definitely and quite desperately NEED H&M back in the fold……not out of love and regard, but for the optics of the monarchy “in charge.”
They NEED H&M subjugated and financially dependent on the monarchy, getting scraps and barely being able to do anything BUT what the courtiers tell them to do and where to go and how to be…..just like when M was H’s girlfriend and the courtiers saw her all the way in Canada wearing a chain with her and H’s initials and they called and told her she couldnt do that and she meekly obeyed because she hadnt yet seen behind the curtain to the absolute FARCE of a shitshow run by a pack of clowns.
If they believe they could ever get H&M back into that vipers’ nest and under their thumb, theyre even stupider than everyone thinks they are.
And the people who make up the business end of the model- the “royal experts”, the biographer/tabloid writers who circulate the daily obfuscations and “palace-sourced” misinformation, the people relying on the process for an income- are panicking.
These people went all in on Harry and Meghan failing– and as a result of their success, these losers are stuck with the obsolete faction, not part of the American or international media market, and they are all desperate to bully their way into access and continuing with the status quo where they get to gatekeep with lies. They know they’re losers, and with the post-Brexit writing on the wall for the UK, they’re scared losers who want to keep their rackets going.
What I find most pathetic is the way in which Robert Lacey contorts the truth and contradicts himself depending on what publication he’s talking to on what side of the pond and which palace’s propaganda he needs to push any given day. He really thinks his completely nonsensical both sides BS pantomime makes him seem above the tabloid gossip, as if he’s approaching this as an intellectual and not just the same old royal sycophant cosplaying as a historian.
Exactly! Just more Lacey gossiping out of both sides of his mouth. Just more meaningless yada, yada, yada.
British people like Lacey (and the rota rats) don’t understand America. At all.
“ I think even she would acknowledge that she wouldn’t have become an international superstar had she not married in to the royal family. The Sussex brand is, fundamentally, royal.”
Okay so yes he’s right that interest in Meghan obviously skyrocketed after marrying Harry but that’s not the SOLE reason why people are still interested in her and Harry. And the “drama” (I don’t like using that word because I don’t consider suicidal idealisations as drama) isn’t either. People like them because they’re interesting in general. They’re charismatic. They’re charitable. They also photograph well. They’re nice and sweet. They’re projects are interesting. That’s why almost 5 years of them being a couple, people are still interested.
So yes, while the royals put Meghan into the international spotlight, they’re not the reason why she’s still there
I agree with you because Kate won’t be known if she didn’t marry william and absolutely no one could e er call her interesting or even pretend that she gets people attention. She is lazy and boring and no amount of queen consort in the making will change that no matter how many delusional puff pieces are written about her. So yes again Megs don’t need them royals. Them royals need the black duchess
Forgive my poor grammar: it’s supposed to be “Their” instead of “They’re”
Exactly. The royal stuff gets all of them attention but most of them don’t hold people’s attention. If that’s all it takes why couldn’t Sophie and Edward be successful in their businesses? Eugenie and Bea get some attention but nowhere near the level of H&M and they were born in the RF, unlike M.
Given how mad he is and that he’s taking a lot of stuff really personally, I think William is the one who asked about the baby’s skin color.
seems to me like a half admission that the royals really dropped the ball with the sussexes and missed the opportunity of the century. h&m are winning at life, so naturally the royalists will forever alternate between bashing them and attempting to lay claim to them and their achievements (“the sussex brand is fundamentally royal” – TF?).
the threat that, cut off from the firm, they could become the duke & duchess of windsor 2.0? seriously?
also, i’m annoyed at the apparent suggestion that the crown should/will essentially use the mixed race royals as some sort of posturing of how “modern” and “tolerant” are. gross.
meghan had soo much to offer that archaic institution beyond her race, but y’all had to chase her away with your silly meltdowns over emails and shit.
Prince Edward is the Queen’s son, and he was not successful, pedo Andy did under hand deals, Charles is successful because the right people are in the job with the Duchy.
Harry is a worker, remember when people use to call the three of them lazy, now you come to find out, he was held back, because he could not out perform his lazy brother, and Charles clutching the purse strings.
Unable married a further King, and still she is not famous, because there is no IT factor with her or her husband.
Harry will be successful whether he was in or out of the royal family.
I agree that Harry is passionate about his charity work, but being a prince opened doors for him in the worlds of business and entertainment.
That is the key ingredient with Harry and Meghan. They are always prepared and are always charismatic and charming around people. Plus, they are both approachable and seem genuinely interested in other peoples lives and their journeys. The problem is that TOB and his useless wife have non of the characteristics. They never have and never will. They have no desire to prepare for events or know how to act properly. You guys wanted Meghan gone, and she is gone. What you have left is due to your own actions, not anyone else’s!
It opens some doors but you still have to put in the work and motivate others. If it opened all kinds of doors without further effort, Bea and Eugenie would have big contracts. And definitely, Edward and Sophie would have been more successful.
It sure did, but I doubt he would be getting huge deals with Netflix and Spotify simply because he’s a Prince.
It open doors for all Royals, it is how you use it, pippa even use it, but couldn’t do the job at NBC, no freaking personality.
didn’t ‘being a prince’ AND the son of the monarch open doors for Edward 30 years ago? how did that work out then? Didn’t ‘being a prince’ and FFK open doors for Bulliam but how have his projects gone? What about the pedo and his shady underhanded deals? he couldn’t make a go of biz on his own without it being corrupt. What about Fergie and her books and biz deals like WW and she still went broke and is now living off the queen’s money via andy. what about Sophiesta whose biz lost over a mill pounds 20ish years ago when she was trying to do shady deals and she was the wife of a prince.
So before you say, it’s because he’s a prince, please examine every single other member of the royal family who are mostly utter failures.
“If you look at the actual grounds of the dispute between them, it arguably starts with William’s suggestion that Harry should move more slowly, and William questioning Harry whether he was sure “this girl” would fit into their system. Well, the brothers got over that.”
No, Lacey, Harry did not get over William’s racist, dismissive treatment of Meghan from the start.
“But, as I reveal in the update of the book, the split of the households came about with the revelations to William of the allegations of bullying against Meghan.”
So much revisionist history. The household split came right after William tried to steal the Hubb money. When we got the strange stories from different sources about needing to ‘ringbark’ the Hubb funds. William tried to keep Harry and Meghan with the same staff, under his control, reporting to him, reporting to KP, their Household under his Household and control. It was the Queen and Charles who made and funded a separate Household under BP to get them out of William’s control.
If Meghan had bullied anyone, it would have been blasted all over everywhere the second it happened. It wouldn’t have been held back, only to be released two years after the fact once Harry and Meghan were free.
Notasugarhere- yes! The motive for the split is constantly being revised. They tried to make it seem like the Oprah interview was the reason for it as well. But it hit into overdrive around the time of the Hubb thing. Wills got pissed Meg and Harry wouldn’t let him have his way there. I contend Wills got furious that he would no longer be able to leech off Harry’s work financially. And blamed Meg.
I suspect, and I said this a couple times but it’s relevant here, Wills is a financially shady character like Andy with his Pitch @palace scheme.
I think the real scandal they’re trying to hide is money manipulation and theft by Wills. Charity money, and probably taxpayer money, is finding its way into the other brother’s pocket, and he’s probably not the only culprit.
Exactly. Lacey really trying to spin a new timeline here. Shame on him. He’s really trashing his own professional reputation with this crap he’s spinning lately.
I find it interesting that her bullying is now the reason for the split. It doesn’t make sense timing-wise first off, and secondly – her bullying was so bad that their office went under the banner of BP so Meghan could bully BP staffers? Sure, that makes sense.
But the revisionist history and the spin around the split is interesting to me because it makes the bullying allegations make sense, in a way. Like, they can blame everything that happened on her “bullying”. Harry and William no longer speak bc Meghan was such a bully to William’s staff! Harry had to leave the royal family because no one wanted to work with his wife! They had to split their office from KP because of Meghan and the 5 am emails!!!!
Nothing to do with racism, sexism, William’s own temper and shady behavior – nope. Just all Meghan the bully. The reason they’re constantly putting the allegations out there is bc they hope people will just take it all as fact and not look beyond that.
This makes no sense, even if it ere true. It is an open secret for years that Princess Michael of Kent has bullied staff and Charles has driven staff crazy.
@bay I think the hope is that people don’t remember that. But that’s the issue with the investigation, isn’t it? It might turn up all sorts of unpleasant behavior at the Firm.
I’m getting sick and tired of hear so-called “royal experts” (an oxymoron if I ever heard one) talking about “Diana’s boys” and how the “boys” need to patch things up etc etc.
They are NOT boys. They are grown men and Wee Willie (as he’s known in Scotland) is virtually a middle-aged man. This isn’t a children’s spat. It’s a very serious disconnect by Harry from his poisonous family and particularly from his venomous brother. They fought as children, they’ve fought as adults. Now Harry is saying “enough” and is walking away.
I have to laugh at how the courtiers are now sick of the feud – maybe they shouldn’t have poured gasoline on the fire.
And continue to enflame it. They’ve never stopped.
Yeah, what is the tabloid’s end game? I don’t understand why they think this fued between brothers is going to play well for the monarchy or for the their industry that leeches off them.
It sells papers. All these Saltines complain how much they hate them but then look how often the comment on the H&M articles on DM. They LOVE to hate them.
And by trying to keep selling papers, they’re desperate to ward off any sales drops, cancelled subscriptions, or job reductions and eventual closure. Print media has changed significantly but they’re desperate to keep going.
Let’s get one thing straight here. Harry and Meghan don’t need the royal family or their shit show to be successful and noticed. The world already pays attention no matter what they do. No Robert, it’s the other way around, the royals desperately need Harry and his black American wife. So if I were them and you I would clean up my racist comments and asses because the world is watching.
Glad someone in the racist british press finally said it- William cannot be king if he won’t allow mixed race members of the royal family on the family balcony.
Seriously. The optics of that will put the monarchy in its long awaited grave.
*Whites only* is not a good look.
Yeah someone needs to photoshop a ‘Whites Only’ sign hanging off that upcoming Jubilee photo if the Sussexes aren’t invited or aren’t prominent.
He’s trying to say the Sussexes needs the feud to keep the Americans interested and that’s not true at all. If anything this ongoing battle and these accusations against Meghan are hurting their brand. It would be more beneficial for them to be somewhat at peace with the Windsors.
It’s not “hurting their brand” when Meghan and Harry stand up for themselves. Lol. It’s definitely more beneficial to the racist monarchy to be at peace with the Sussexes, however.
Does he really think that Netflix and Spotify execs would know or care about the stupid saga of the Duke and Duchess of Windsor? Come on – this is America – we don’t care about that bs if there’s money to be made.
Yeah, these old head British “historians” always bring up the DD of Windsor like that wasn’t almost 100 years ago and is not on anyone’s radar. Also, because they try and cover up the Duke of Windsors Nazi connections and emphasize him wanting to marry an American divorcee as the main reason for his exile, I think more people in the US sympathize with the notion of a man “marrying the woman he loves”. Harry will always be royal regardless and if the Sussexes gave it all up, the notion that they ” did it for love” will increase their popularity not diminish it.
And truly, if anyone is like the old Nazi Windsors, it’s the present Nazi Windsors/Cambridges.
Yeah I’m getting tired of Lacey too. He needs to stop talking now because he’s only spewing nonsense. The fact is William was racist and bullying and they can’t expect Harry and Meghan to get over that without any recognition and acknowledgement from the Royal Family.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, it’s pretty clear to me that when William asked Harry if he was sure about Meghan, it wasn’t done out of brotherly concern. William saw that his brother was serious about a half black American woman and he freaked out. That was when the comments about Harry possibly having black babies came out. Who knows what other demeaning words William said.
Harry isn’t an idiot, he would know the difference between a concerned brother looking out for him and a racist brother freaking out at the prospect of a biracial woman marrying into the family. Harry also waited until the last moment to ask William to be his best men, which suggests that he had to do it because it would be a huge story if he didn’t.
Exactly, and I bet and I will say this till I die, william didn’t call her that girl, it was much worse. So bad I nfact that Harry probably wanted to deck him. William is a racist is all I will ever hold to be true
I don’t believe that question was asked, I think the question was ‘have you thought about the color of your children?’ . The question that should have been asked is does Meghan know what a shit show the rr’s make of our lives.
Other prime examples of why being royals in that family doesn’t help you with shit is Edward and his wife. People don’t know who they are outside of the uk. Anne children, again people don’t know them. The York princesses , sorry but another set people pay no attention to. It’s not enough to be associated or married or related to them. In the real world you have to do tangible, lasting, impactful things to make your mark on the world and a difference to it for people to pay attention. Kate Is the ffqc and still no one cares what she does.
Lacey keeps talking about how ‘crucial’ the mixed race couple is for the image of the monarchy and then turns around and compares them to the Windsors, who were Nazi sympathizers. So…we’ve got extreme grossness coming and going in that little comment.
I will be completely honest here, I didn’t even know that the queen had 4 children. I had no idea Edward existed. I only found out about him and his family after I found out that Harry was dating Meghan and then I started to pay attention to the royals. Yes I knew william married Kate and they had kids but I could not tell you when any of them were born either. I just didn’t care. I can however tell you I know everything there is to know about Harry, Meghan and their family.
Lol. Me too. I thought she had only 3. I bet Edward was an “accident “ baby. I think he is much younger
Andrew and Edward are both much younger than Charles and Anne. Edward is four years younger than Andrew.
He wasn’t. Charles and Anne were at first the heir and spare. The Queen and Philip went through a challenging time in her marriage and Andrew and Edward were seen as the reconciliation children/ the Queen’s opportunity to be a more involved mother.
Anne was not viewed as the spare and she could not be considered the Spare from age 9 forward, since Andrew was born. Rules of accession were only updated recently. Charles and Anne were born before Elizabeth became queen and her marriage instantly came a distant second when her father died, while she figured out how she could manage being a sovereign. Anne would be a better Spare though!
I thought I was a massive Angelina fan, until I got called out by someone. I was supposed to know the birthdays of all her children and because I didn’t, I was a “lousy fan” lol.
I agree that they need Harry and Meghan on the balcony at the Jubilee. That cannot happen until the rf make things right with Meghan.
However if the Sussex do not attend the Jubilee I hope Meghan is papp’ed the next day dressed to the 9’s and as chic as she can be and completely overshadows the rf on the balcony wearing fake medals and balancing huge flowery hats on their heads.
I think the gossip about the age gap between the queens first two and second two children has been 1 She forgave Philip for the mistresses and they decided to try marriage again and/or 2 the real father is Porchy (sp?).
I find the comparisons to the Windsors the most insulting. Outside of the horrendous nazi connections, they were apart of a frivolous social network of rich bums who did nothing of substance. In 5 years, the Sussexes will have built a billion dollar international media empire that blends commercial and philanthropic efforts.
Plus the financial & personal freedom none of the royals will ever enjoy. Of course they’re pissed. And what happens when the royal experts and tabloids’ readers get tired of reading the same stories over and over? Literally 9 of 10 articles focus on how terrible Harry and Meghan are… it’s not sustainable.
I saw a comment on Pajiba that said “Prince William is just Posh Stephen Miller. And now that’s all I can see in every photo and every mannerism!!!
The only reason why the British tabloids want to see Harry and his family on the balcony is because they want to see how black the children are.
Lol. True. And to have another event from which to write another 110 articles full of bias and lazy speculation.
Sue, I can’t see H&M ever putting their children on display for the brf. That’s not what they want for their children. I do think TQ will ask H&M to be on the balcony, but I just don’t know that she would ask for the children to be there. Since H&M are no longer working royals, I don’t think anyone in the UK should think they are able to tell them to make Archie & Lilibet targets. And, that’s exactly what they would be.
Wills hates Meghan because she knows all about the Rose garden.
or maybe Harry knows about everything William did during their time together, maybe William told Harry about how he don’t love Catherine and and didn’t want to marry her. he might have shared everything with Harry ,knowing Harry will keep his secret . Harry must also knows about William rage , he is younger than William who knows if William sometimes took that rage out on Harry when they was growing up..
Palace courtiers are sick of the feud – who is Lacey kidding? Those gossiping magpies live for this stuff. The courtiers probably finance their country homes by selling to the tabloids. They love to make anonymous comments in support of whoever their favorite royal is and vise versa for their disliked royal. White, upper class twits who get their courtier positions thru their society strata, not ability.
(The O.G.) Your comment was brilliant and the dead-on truth. Bravo.
All I’m getting from this is they want a performance at the unveiling. They want their body language experts, and their articles and pics to pay for their summer vacations. Supposedly William is even going ahead and seeing the statue before it’s to be “revealed” which is why I wish Harry had kept his butt home with his family, honored his mother on Archewell and then visit the statue in private with his family. the Sussexes going to the Platinum Jubilee is nothing but tokenism and I hope Meghan doesn’t let herself and children be used as such. Lacey w/ all his audacity is saying as much.William can go to hell. All this bs has started because everyone is falling over themselves to please him and he pushed Harry too far. He wanted him to sacrifice his family like he sacrificed himself so many times over the years well it’s not going to happen. Let Harry go back to his abusive family if every time they call he wants to go running but leave ur black family out of it. He probably don’t even realize how his family is being used as a diversity token or does and is so eager to pls the Queen doesn’t care.
They really seem to believe their own publicity. I mean they write it themselves. Lacey and others can try and separate Harry all they like but he’s not having a spat with “the royal family”, he is the royal family too. Not some employee to be managed.
The brothers definitely do not, and in the near to medium term will not make amends. And that’s okay. As for “behaving” on Thursday… these are grown ass men, used to being in a crushing media glare. They’re not children or new to the arena and definitely don’t need to constantly be told how to act by the likes of Lacey or any media. Besides, they don’t really want the bros to behave, where’s the fun for them in that? They’re there to honor their mum and despite Wills slagging her off recently, that is what they’ll do.
Re header photo – Saw video of the 2019 CW service yesterday and Meghan looks so lovely. Even the “fug hat” doesn’t look so terrible in the video. The still pictures make her look a little goofy, but in the video, she was all elegance and bone structure even with pregnancy water retention.
The *sole* reason Harry is of international interest is because he is the son of Diana, and later for his own sake. The brand is *NOT* royal. Diana had way more class than the Windsors.
I disagree with William being trapped, there are some disadvantages to being the heir but considerably more and larger advantages, the huge amount of wealth the heir has, the absolute worship so many have for the heir. The also rans like Margaret/ Andrew show the disadvantage of being second, less money (having to sell Swiss chalet and having to hustle to make money) less worship( despite both being good looking in youth) . So IMO it was wise that Harry strike out on his own. It appears to have been a success and same with William for staying. I would do the same in both cases.
William has never known, his entire life, if people like him for himself, or for his birthright. No amount of money fixes that, and the idea of any humans worshiping another is just gross to me, and not good for character, as the evidence clearly shows. Seems like not a good bargain.
Is he having a mid-life crisis? I do wonder.
lol at this. William will be the head of a dying thing. The Monarchy will be WAY out of fashion once Liz dies. In these woke times, no one is going to buy the “royal by blood” thing. Harry is way ahead of the curve, and William is indeed trapped. There will be no “absolute worship” for the heir in a few years as the institution greatly diminshes. It wont disappear, but then neither has any of the other Euro Royal families. They are a joke. Nice try though, but Harry won.
William has railed against his future role his entire life, from the time he was a toddler. He is trapped. Trapped being a puppet for a Tory government. Trapped by his deal with the tabloids to cover up his affairs. Trapped in a business marriage he never wanted. Trapped by his own petty, abusive, racist choices in a life he doesn’t want.
Then I guess Willy won’t be king. Certainly he shouldn’t.
Interesting that Lacey has called out PWT can’t be king and exclude mixed race members of family. Is this the first time a RR (or adjacent) has said the quiet part out loud? The majority of the Commonwealth countries will one by one leave if this happens.