We’re all waiting on photos, videos and vibes from today’s unveiling of the Diana statue at Kensington Palace’s Sunken Garden. In addition to Prince William and Prince Harry’s attendance, the Earl Spencer will be there, as will Diana’s sisters Lady Sarah McCorquodale and Lady Jane Fellowes. The Prince of Wales is in the wind and the Queen is, I believe, still in Scotland. It’s also well-sourced, at this point, that William told the Duchess of Cambridge that she was not invited. Someone brought this up on Twitter and it’s 100% true – William really, really wanted to blame Harry for Kate’s absence from the event, but William is terrified that Harry would just issue a simple statement that he doesn’t care if Kate attends or not.
Until we get the photos, videos and vibes, the British reporters are doing their best to assess where things are. Omid Scobie said: “What we will see is two brothers being professional in a moment that is not about them. This is going to be a moment we see them put everything to one side. We will just see professionalism and nothing else.” I agree that Harry will be professional. William though? And here’s a very strange piece from the Daily Mail:
As if beating Germany wasn’t amazing enough, the England football team appears to have achieved the near unthinkable. For it seems the stunning 2-0 victory has helped bring about a thaw in the icy relations between Princes William and Harry. The warring brothers have barely exchanged a word since the Duke and Duchess of Sussex announced their acrimonious departure from the Royal Family 18 months ago. But the Daily Mail understands they have been in contact in recent days ahead of today’s unveiling of a statue in memory of their late mother Diana. They are even said to have exchanged a few phone messages over England’s win on Tuesday.
While insiders are quick to stress that it is far from a full-scale rapprochement, it is the most positive sign yet that the estranged brothers will be able to put their differences to one side – for today, at least.
‘It is still far from good between them,’ the source explained. ‘But there has apparently been an exchange of messages, particularly about the football, which is a step in the right direction, if only to do honour to their mother.’
Royal insiders have also told the Mail that Harry, 36, has been told how much the family had been hoping to see his two-year-old son Archie again and look forward to his return to the UK soon. It is believed the Cambridges have seen Archie only once or twice since he was born.
One impeccable source said they ‘highly doubted’ that the two brothers would ever regain ‘even a semblance’ of the closeness they once enjoyed.
‘Too much water has gone under the bridge for that,’ they said. ‘Harry and Meghan’s decision to burn so many bridges behind them and make such terrible allegations against their family in that infamous Oprah interview, knowing they will never be in a position to defend themselves, has taken its toll. What little trust there was has been well and truly destroyed.’
But the source acknowledged there may be some hope the brothers could eventually paper over their schism, enough at least for their children – who are cousins, after all – to develop some sort of long-distance relationship. ‘It would be a great shame if Archie and Lilibet never really got to know George, Charlotte and Louis,’ they admitted.
LMAO. This is just hilarious, I’m sorry. We’re months past the Oprah interview and palace insiders are still salty to this level, and they’re still lying to themselves and everyone else about it too. “…Make such terrible allegations against their family in that infamous Oprah interview, knowing they will never be in a position to defend themselves…” Hahahaha. All these dumbasses do is “defend themselves” and it’s a complete and utter clownshow. But the notable part is the bit about how Harry needs to bring his children home. Note that no one has invited Meghan. They’re still hung up on this idea that they will be able to convince Harry to leave Meghan and bring his children back to the UK. This is actually their “bargain” to Harry, because they used to want him to leave his children in America. Now they’re telling him that he’s allowed to bring his children to the UK, just not with Meghan. Absolutely psychotic.
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Any self-respecting person would chafe in the position of fall guy/girl. William need a foil. Harry was it, but is no longer. Harry was always meant to be comic relief, a court jester if you will, in contrast to the media image of William being a great King, wonderful husband and father. Harry has always had natural charm and genuine affection, which always shone through. Harry, not so much. You cannot be more popular than the King or Queen. Harry was a threat because he became more popular than William, just as Diana became a threat to the Queen when she outshone her. Harry has done very well with the cards he has been dealt, and he inadvertently checkmated the entire Monarchy and has hastened its spiral into irrelevance
Agreed! An institution based on the idea that some people are better than others because of their bloodline and birth order is ridiculous. It’s even more ridiculous when the younger son and his non-royal wife are so clearly more compelling, competent, charismatic… all the stuff that’s supposed to be Will’s by birthright. They need Harry to be the fall guy, the jester, the lesser brother because his and Meghan’s very existence shines a light on tbe big lie of the monarchy.
When I read the headline my thought was just “ok.” I mean so what they’ll never be as close as they were…. when they were kids? Pre-teens? William had been throwing Harry under the bus well before Meghan came into the picture and I’d imagine their relationship had shifted greatly by then.
And again, so what that the brothers won’t be as close anymore? My sister and I used to be insanely close and while yes we are still close we both have families now so our lives have shifted to other things.
It’s just exhausting (and yet I still read all the stories haha)
What we are mostly seeing in these stories is white outrage. Their fragile psyches cant accept the fact that THE bastion and example of white supremacy, the Monarchy, has been “infiltrated” by “THAT” woman. “that,” “narcissist” etc are code for the “N” word. Those ppl ALWAYS have to call someone out of their name. Meghan is not taking it laying down, which infuriates them even more. They dont have the mental capacity and capabilty to process all of this so they last out in stories.
I am beginning to suspect that WILLIAM may be the fall guy, for Charles and/or Kate. Harry and Meghan didn’t really say anything THAT bad about William (other than he’s trapped, which he is since he’s the heir). But most of the criticism was directed at Charles. It’s possible that the real rift is between Charles and Harry, and Charles wants the world to think that it’s William’s fault the Sussexes won’t return. And/or Kate is exaggerating the rift as an opportunity to play up her own self-importance, as Sophie is also doing.
That really got me to thinking about how Princess Margaret played that role for QE.
“Impeccable Source”
Sure Jan…🙄
My exact thoughts! The entire article —- like most of what the 🐀Rota spew — is a load of made of BS. How do they know what Harry is texting? Either William is leaking this or SOMEONE is phone hacking again!
This is all TOB!! The statement about Harry burning all of the bridges with the Oprah interview? Give me a f#cking break!! How quickly they are trying to change history and any responsibility on those who committed the most egregious acts. TOB came out and publicly stated that he and Keen Guevara never liked Meghan. TOB has consistently committed one smear campaign after another, and doing so without facing any consequences or owning up to the fact that they were brutally nasty to Meghan from day one!! The rift has been caused by TOB, the royal rats and other family members. All of whom were trying to drive Meghan away, but Harry stood by her, as he should have.
I am growing so tired of the daily attacks on Harry and Meghan when they are the actual victims here, not everyone that was consistently abusing Meghan.
So now it’s the England team who are the keen peacemakers. Boy, Kate really sucks at her job
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Well, since she couldn’t do it by herself, they needed an entire team!
omg dying lol
Don’t you realize how BUSY Kate is with her new Royal Early Years Centre?
Too much work researching into the research of existing knowledge
I misread that as Rota Early Years Centre, but it seems on-point anyway. That’s pretty much who it’s for.
So desperate. Guess they can’t wait to have a scapegoat since Charlotte and Louis are still small.
Exactly. They want the sussex kids to become the scapegoat to the Cambridge kids and something tells me that this is the real reason william is raging at harry. Because he knows that when charlotte and louis are in their late teens the press is going to come for them.
The real reason William is angry is because he doesn’t have someone like Meghan and he doesn’t have charisma and intelligence like Harry. Both refuse to bow to him. Then the other secondary reasons come in. No wonder he’s always angry.
@Alexandria I think that is the main reason. Maybe his children being intruded upon by the press is secondary, although I don’t believe that as he is the serving them up, but he is jealous of Harry is the main reason. Harry has everything William doesn’t and Meghan coming along only highlights that fact. Harry being the “scapegoat” is not the main reason why they need him in my opinion. I know that’s what most people think but I believe it is also a secondary reason. I think William absolutely cannot do the job of being king and that Harry was going to be the one running things. Harry was already being described as the face of the monarchy well into William’s marriage. With Harry gone, they are flailing because nobody thought that they actually had to prepare the future king to be the future king.
@JT if that was the case and harry was always meant to lead behind the scenes, then they surely f’ed up. If harry is seriously so indispensable to the monarchy than they would have treated him better. I know the royals are short sighted but i have a hard time believe they are truly this stupid. And at this point its not just harry they need for the monarchy to survive. Its meghan too. They just don’t want to admit that yet.
@Cecilia They really fucked it up big time. It is very clear that William is not prepared and has never been prepared to do the job. They were sending Harry out on all of those tours and sending him out to meet presidents and ambassadors, basically being a diplomat, while William fucked off to Wales to pretend to to be a pilot. Harry was doing the king training and it paid off because it’s Harry with all of the contacts and high level friends. He’s the one that’s friendly with presidents and billionaires. Harry’s charities are thriving and he’s the one with an established legacy before 40. I think the firm could always depend on Harry which is why they allowed William to do fuck all for 2 decades. Now the firm has no plan b and they’re panicking. And yes they absolutely need Meghan and they don’t want to admit it. She is the perfect “kings wife.” Meghan meeting Dr. Jill Biden would have been gold and the Sussexes would have killed a Scottish charm offensive.
@jt
“ They were sending Harry out on all of those tours and sending him out to meet presidents and ambassadors, basically being a diplomat, while William fucked off to Wales to pretend to to be a pilot. Harry was doing the king training and it paid off because it’s Harry with all of the contacts and high level friends. He’s the one that’s friendly with presidents and billionaires.”
Exactly. But I don’t think that was ever the PLAN per say. Harry went because William refused to do do. I’m sure the courtiers would have preferred William went and got the experience and made the connections. It just so happened that Harry was a good soldier, a team player and tagged in. He was under a lot of stress because of it, but in the long run he benefited ENORMOUSLY.
@JT – that’s a really excellent point – how TPTB inadvertently prepared Harry to be successful independent of the royal family’s orbit, as he has proven to be, in relatively short order.
Ironic in the same sense the constant, massive media focus on the Sussexes since the beginning, aimed at tearing them down, has in fact boosted them into a globally recognized brand.
Of course, Harry, and Meghan as well, had the personal qualities, interests, and drive to make the most of the learning opportunities they were given.
Will and Kate, on the other hand, were just the opposite, yet very like each other, in that over the years they had no apparent interest in improving their skills for what was to be their future roles.
I don’t really get why William refused to do those trips and why they just let him refuse and not do? I get Will is lazy and etc and got married and there were always reasons but it’s still just weird. And in hindsight, monumentally stupid.
@jais
That’s the million dollar question, isn’t it? Why did they let William slack off for so long. 🤷🏽♀️
@Cecilia I can’t believe Billy is analyzing situation and worries about his kids’ future. IMO, he is not capable of both. The situation is simpler: Bulliam is jealous of Harry and hates Meghan who helped Harry become the man who is now.
Yup, the royal family wants the kids so that they can use as props and tokens but also as a human shield.
@Snuffles I agree that Harry’s “king training” wasn’t the plan. I think it was a case of the firm making lemonade out of lemons. William wouldn’t or couldn’t do the job (probably both) but Harry was already equipped for it. Harry’s military service was a bonus because, you’re right, he is a good soldier and it makes him a team player. It also made gave him discipline and a sense of duty, while also making him an excellent leader. Harry’s temperament and emotional intelligence is just another advantage making him Good King Harry. The firm should have bent over backwards to make HIM happy. TOB wasn’t going anywhere and couldn’t. William actually needs the crown.
@JT I agree with all of your comments. Williams concern for Harry is pure bs. He has over involved himself in Harry and Meghans marriage to the degree that is not normal. He seems more worried about what’s going on in Harry’s marriage then his own. He is jealous of the fact that Harry got everything that he didn’t get. Charm, work ethic, popularity with the public. A legacy. After he married Meghan, his popularity increased, his work became more energized, his speech giving has improved, his confidence soared. I really think William thinks it should be him, not Harry experiencing this.
@Jais, Snuffles, that’s easy. They let William slack off because Anne and others were still working AND … they did not expect Harry (or anyone else for that matter) to leave. These people think that being a British royal is a top privilege so why would anyone (especially the son of an heir) leave? And even if you wanted to leave, it’s not easy for anyone to just leave. They forgot or maybe they did not realize, Harry is fearless and intelligent, with an impressive network. And then he found someone who was equally fearless, intelligent and passionate. The world wins. Too bad for the UK. The rest of us gained!
I agree Alexandria! Why did they allow TOB, who was to be king one day, to slack off and not jump in and get himself immersed into what was his birthright? I guess he expected that he can do what he wants and has no responsibility or care about what will make an excellent king. Instead he has spent a majority of his adult years doing nothing and refuses to educate himself as to what is to be his duty when his time comes. No one held Baldimorts feet to the fire and now they have an incompetent and incredibly selfish man who has no idea as to what duty and service actually require because he was allowed to do as he pleased. It was apparent since TQ had to take him by the hand and teach him how to perform during an actual visit. Baldimort is too far gone. If he hasn’t learned it now, he is in for a rude awakening, as well as the all of the UK and the other commonwealth countries.
This is an excellent thread. Which begs the question where the hell was Charles in all of this? As mismatched, toxic and tragic his relationship with their mother, what role did he play in their lives after her death. He’s horribly stuffed shirt with the people part of his job, but whatever one may think of him – personally not much – he is dutiful at and to the job. He’s their father and next in line. Couldn’t he have just squired William and Harry like the country gentleman farmer he is. Teach William, in particular, about loving the land and what it brings forth with attention and care. Tend the land, tend the flock, lead the people, with the requisite collie by their side and a walking stick in hand. Where was Charles?
Tealief, Charles did try to get William interested in the country. I recall one photo op where William held a sheep and stood next to Charles. There was also a “farming” course that William did not finish Charles should have kept William in his place but let William run things, in the decisions about Harry and Meghan.
@Tessa thank you. You are right. I feel like I’m watching very bad chess players who do not recognise the rules of the board, the power the pieces have in relation to one another, their placement, their usefulness, and their movement in checking other pieces. Charles as FK should have checked William and KP ages ago, and so he lost very key pieces in the Sussexes. They are off the board
Harry appears to have many admirable qualities – I say appears because I don’t know him as I don’t know any of them, as I suspect is the case with everyone commenting o here. Bravery and the ability to make people feel at ease, particularly kids, come to mind. Intelligence is pushing it if you men intelligence in the conventional sense.
If Harry were to ever leave Meghan and by some strange occurance have custody of the children does the writer really think those snobs will treat those mixed raced kids any better than they treated their mother? In fact they will be made to ‘know their place.’
If that happens not only will they have to know their place, they will also be scapegoats to be thrown under the bus by Charles, William, Kate and their 3 children. I won’t doubt they would be suicidal.
I think IF H&M were to ever divorce, Harry would not go back to the UK. I don’t really think he’s ever going to go back to the UK. He’s not going to take his children a continent and an ocean away from their mother, and he’s not going to move that far from his children.
The press can keep hoping, but California is his home now.
Well said Becks1!! He is were he wants to be and is perfectly happy. The Salty Island of Racist and Hatred have lost him forever. Harry will never be back full time. Harry and Meghan have a lovely home, no leaks as to their private life and is perfectly happy in the bubble of harmony!
Dark fairy tale vibes. Just bring us your children, Harry. We’d so very much like to see Archie.
Run. Lock all the doors.
Every single time they talk about archie they mention how little the Cambridges have seen of him. Ok and? Who’s fault is that? How much effort did the Cambs make to see archie when he was still in the UK? Remember how it took kate a week to visit a newborn archie even though she doesn’t work?
This! We all saw those polo pics with Meghan holding Archie and the only Cambridge who showed any familial interest was Louis. You act like that when cameras are on you then WHY would anyone think it would be different behind the scenes?
Right?? They only saw him once or twice – well wtf, why didn’t they see him more? KP isn’t that far from frogmore, and even if they’re at Anmer they can just helicopter in like they do for everything else.
Dark fairy tale is right. Come here my pretties. The gluttonous Brit Media wants to consume and monetize the babies, they aren’t used to being denied their pictures. Does anyone in their right mind think the children will be spared racist, anti-american and classist slanders? Keep the monsters away …
Spin, spin, spin
But I can believe they’ve exchanged texts ahead of today’s event. And chit chatting about the England football match was probably the easiest way to ease tensions enough for today. It was probably the one thing they could agree on.
They will be professional and cordial today for their mother’s sake and then Harry will return to Montecito to get back to his very happy life.
“ One impeccable source said they ‘highly doubted’ that the two brothers would ever regain ‘even a semblance’ of the closeness they once enjoyed.”
Closeness defined as WHAT and by WHO?
If you are talking about The Firm or the RRs, their definition is Harry returning to the UK to be William’s whipping boy and doing it with a smile.
If you are talking to Harry and Meghan, it would be William respecting Harry’s life choices and just being normal brothers. Normal brothers go off to start their own families and live their own lives and get together for birthdays and holidays. Regular texts and phone calls about every day life events and sharing pictures THAT DON’T END UP PLASTERED ALL OVER THE NEWS!! Maybe the occasional vacation together.
They aren’t eternally attached at the hip. And they don’t try to run each other’s lives!
This. I used to work with a woman I didn’t like and whom I’m fairly sure felt the same about me. We tended to talk about non-contentious things in the news when we had to talk – it kept things politely superficial. That may well be what Harry is doing.
I 100% believe that they were in contact for the statue unveiling but I highly doubt there were any texts between the brothers about football. This is some great fictional writing on the dms part.
But who’s leaking about text messages about the football? Its not Harry who has cut the tabloids out. I thought it was Harry that couldn’t be trusted for telling Gayle about an unproductive conversation..
Isn’t it interesting that William was barely mentioned in the Oprah interview except when Harry said it was space between them etc but sources seem to think it was really damaging to him. Now why could that be. Also interesting that after saying they take matters raised seriously despite very few names being mentioned, nobody briefed let’s get to the bottom of this- it’s almost as if the firm already knows the culprits.
And idea they can’t defend themselves is laughable. Let’s not act like the royals don’t deny ‘damaging allegations’ & defend themselves constantly.
Anyway this article claims William has only met Archie once or twice which I suspected when there was that article about Charles having only met him a handful of times. The point about bringing the kids to England is because the press want access to the kids- stories about what they look and act like etc.
Funny, earlier in the week, it was Harry is not cooperating because he would not tell KP what he was wearing today, then it was Harry’s people put down their foot about the royal rota’s presence, meaning Harry was not dealing with KP.
I’m sure Harry spoke to his friends about the football match, to Cain not so sure.
The text probably read like:
William: Did you see the game?
Harry: Yeah
William to Becky English: OMG, Harry totally forgives me and doesn’t think I am a racist!!! He wants to reconcile but that mean Meghan won’t let him!
And they were whining about harry leaking private family convo’s to the press LOL.
William leaking to the press, or making up any contact between himself and Harry, is supposed to help this situation? Harry knows his brother cannot be trusted. William keeps proving it every day. Even the spin at the end, that the onus is on Archie and Lili to get to know the W&K cousins not vice versa.
If the the Keens cared about Harry’s children, they would have seen them more than once or twice. Same goes for Charles. It would be a PR win for the RF if they even shared the same airspace as Archie and Lili Diana because H&M’s kids are the ones people are clamoring to see. Archie saying happy new year got more press than the royals got in months. If Lilibet is ever seen it would practically be breaking news.
I hope they keep those kids hidden and especially from their relatives on that island.
@Cecilia…yes, don’t allow them to monetize their babies. They are doing good so far.
Funny how this source think it is a low blow to tell the truth to the world in clean face, at loss at the Sussexes decision not to use their employees to spread lies to corrupt “journalists”.
The reason the RF cannot defend themselves is because Harry and Meghan spoke the truth AND have the receipts.
why they insist in painting them in bad light? Because they are playing to their audience. Their audience do not care about mixed race woman´s feelings, all they care is that mixed race woman presence made them uncomfortable. Meghan should be made to pay for the insolence of marrying Harry and Harry should be shamed into submission,
I see that they want archie and lili back in the UK to become their cambridge cousins scapegoats. Meghan and harry please be smart and don’t allow them to set foot on that island.
@cecilia
Those are the long range goals but let’s get real. They want to see what Archie and Lili look like. Do they have tan skin? Curly hair? Ethnic features? They want to see what clothes they are wearing and how their hair is styled so they can launch a thousand articles about their baby/toddler style and compare and contrast to the Cambridge kids. Launch a thousand “think pieces” about their American/Hollywood versus British/ Royal upbringing.
Yadda, yadda, yadda
They need CONTENT!! Any bit of information or pictures they can use to generate thousands of articles and clicks to line their pockets with.
They have already seen archie and know what he looks like. And they can use their imagination for lili. God knows they have plenty of imagination because they use it daily for their articles.
@cecilia
I’m sure they will continue to make stuff up but make no mistake, they are FURIOUS they don’t have any recent, clear photos of those kids that they can profit off of.
So I kind of have a tin foil tiara theory that there are pictures, but the paparazzi agencies won’t sell them. The Sussexes litigated a pap agency to bankruptcy. God knows how much they got out of the settlement with X7 or whatever that agency was.
I mean, there’s profit, and then there’s being forced to file for bankruptcy and go out of business. I kind of wonder if the Sussex US litigation team are the ones who WON’T LET GO. As though Harry and Meghan’s policy is that they won’t go for settlement—unless they’re offered no less than some prohibitively exorbitant amount that would make any agency think twice about ever selling a pic again—they will drag litigation out as long as possible, and they will use scorched earth tactics. I just find it difficult to believe that there are NO PICTURES AT ALL. And as an independent pap, if they choose to sell a photo independently, they are also going to get sued for all the profits and won’t have half the legal team of H&M. Leaking to the internet doesn’t help either because that sh-t can always be traced back to the source.
There’s a strategy in litigation where you go after the big fish, the industry players, and drive them into a black hole of litigation. This makes the smaller ones with fewer resources will think twice, because they know H&M will come after them too, with just as much firepower. Is a temporary payout of a few million worth it, when litigation is going to put you in the red for more than anything a tabloid could ever afford to pay you?
Great comment, Cecilia. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 The 🐀Rota 🚃🚃 train sure seems stuck at “Imagination” station.
That’s fine. They were never actually that close as adults to begin with. They were friendly, but that’s not really the same as being close to someone. William strikes me as someone who provides a shoulder because he wants to control things and only “opens up” in a manipulative way. So, I doubt he’s close with anyone at all.
It is just crazy how WIlliam is damaging his brand. That no one is stopping him is bizarre. Imagine the future king of England, statesman, writing off a whole country by leaking that he doesn’t like his sister in law because she is too American. In that same vein, the behavior at the Commonwealth ceremony. Zero understanding of diplomacy.
Or refusing to acknowledge his nephew. Or claiming to be a mental health advocate and then calling his own brother damaged. The list goes on and on.
Really, how is no one stopping this? He is clearly too dim to understand, what is going on in the house of WIndsor?
History will not be kind to this buffoon.
It is appalling that they not only get away with writing these ridiculous articles but how they can’t seem to stop abusing Megan so publicly.
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Ah William and Kate are already headhunting for the next scapegoats for their children, the Harry to their William. Archie and lilibet have other 2nd cousins and friends to play and develop relationships with. It would be a colossal mistake to get them close with the Cambridge children, they will be mocked, compared and stalked so that the Cambridge kids can be protected, William knows how badly Harry was treated and doesn’t want that for any of his kids including the spares.
Archie and Lilibet will be rolling with Serena’s daughter, the kids of Meghan and Harry’s other friends, probably the York cousins, all their Spencer cousins. Unless William and Kate start acting right, they’re not going to have anything to do with the Cambridge kids.
Archie and Lili will DEFINITELY be compared to August and Bea’s kid when it’s born. Don’t kid yourselves. It will be the “proper” Brit cousins and their “wild, AMERICAN cousins” who “can’t put a foot right” garbage.
“Archie wore faded coveralls with a mismatching top”.
“August wore adorable baby overalls with a coordinated polo shirt”.
“Girl Bea sat ladylike, watching her older cousin August”.
“Lili tore through the grass, shrieking as she chased her brother Archie”
You KNOW there will be shyte like that printed if the kids get together.
Of course. But the rest of the world will eat up watching Archie and Lili being normal kids and get bored with watching royal children forced to be stiff and stuffy in public.
PS. I am LIVING for the future shenanigans Archie and Lili will get up to when they are older. They’re gonna keep Meghan and Harry on their toes!
I will be genuinely surprised if Meghan allows those babies to step foot in London before their 18th birthday.
Well Hallmark makes a nice line of cards for all occasions. A nice card, appropriate gift, sometimes that’s all you have between families and that’s it. The media are the ones who insist on this fantasy of Harry and William skipping through life together. That’s not how it works sometimes. Also, Camel Toe is claiming there won’t be any speeches at the unveiling, lol. I’m guessing its because Harry wouldn’t agree to a joint statement with Will and Will was probably afraid of being blasted by Harry.
Just another “it’s all H&M’s fault and they are the ones who have to make up” article. Planes fly both ways if they miss Archie so terribly. They didn’t seem interested in the child when he was in the UK but we are supposed to believe they miss him now? And accusing someone of bullying without offering proof, calling a woman names, insulting her former line of work, and saying how she had an agenda and you never trusted her for vague reasons is fine? Saying somebody is nice, the Queen and Phil were welcoming and great, and not naming somebody who made a nasty comment is being terrible?
These sick racist assholes can just go f themselves. You did this shit to Meghan and her children and you continue to act like she isn’t a person. Harry wife . So yeah until baldemort and the rest can take accountability for their behavior and apologize to Harry Meghan and their children, nope Harry nor his wife or his children won’t be coming back . Not even if you said pretty please.
Might I also add that Archie use to live in England and those b didn’t want to know him then and didn’t want their children to know him because he has black in him so why would they want to know him or his sister now. They still have black in them and it will never go away.
This headline just made me think about my own family. I’m estranged from my two brothers and their wives. It breaks my heart that my children don’t know my brother’s children at all. I have reasons for not being close, and I don’t see us reconciling for at least a few years, if at all.
I say that, and nobody knows the future. I don’t even know if things will get better. So for these “sources” and “journalists” to speculate on the relationship of these brothers this way just makes me feel sad. None of these people REALLY know what’s happening (and has happened) between William and Harry. They’re just making up stuff. I think the courtiers and the insiders are contributing to an incredibly toxic environment and actively interfering with any reconciliation that could happen, even if William was to recognize how terribly he’s treating his brother.
I’m just in my feelings about this today. I know they’re public figures and represent a world I am very far away from. But I feel sad for the broken relationships. I’m team Meghan and Harry and I hope they continue to heal and thrive with their beautiful family. William is going to reap what he sows. And it’s too bad the children probably won’t ever be close.
I’m sorry about your estrangement. My mom and her brother became estranged when I was a teen, (although it had been contentious way before that) and I didn’t see my cousins after that. I felt worse for my mom than I felt for myself. Family relationships are tough no matter who you are.
>> “‘Harry and Meghan’s decision to burn so many bridges behind them and make such terrible allegations against their family in that infamous Oprah interview, knowing they will never be in a position to defend themselves, has taken its toll. What little trust there was has been well and truly destroyed.’”
That’s a funny way of saying “sorry that we almost drove your wife to suicide.”
Exactly.
I don’t think reconciliation means what they think it means. Harry has moved on – he has a wife, children, a nice new house, a new job, new friends. How does one keep in touch with family members who live on the other side of the world? Call, text, Facetime, Zoom, whatever. Send a photo of Archie, another of Lili, how’s the weather out there, yay England won! That’s how family members do it.
cringing at the royal source mixed metaphors. C’mon, did Harry & Meghan burn the bridges or did they let too much water go under the bridges? Because you can’t let water under bridges that don’t exist because you burned them, aggghhhh.
Lol. That’s asking a bit much from the rota hacks that write this drivel.
I think the water went under one particular bridge and then they burned some entirely different bridges…or something? I can see the RR, in their bathrobes, firing off these articles and ticking off the boxes before they’ve even had their coffee – H&M, keen, rage, $14 million, bully, peacemaker. No bosses will edit them and no bosses will point out, “Dude, you said the opposite yesterday.”
Lol. I am truly surprised someone hasn’t spotted Harry out with Bat Boy.
I agree they will never be close again. It’s too much to ask Harry to forgive the multiyear campaign against Meghan that drove her to suicidal thoughts. It’s beyond decent for Harry to even be in the same room with the elegant prince and not punch him in the face.
The relationship is irreparably damaged by the Other Brother’s racism. That’s not fixable unless accountability occurs, but it won’t, because William can’t bear to admit he’s wrong.
IMHO, there were major problems in the RF for decades before Meghan came along. I’m glad that Harry defended his wife, but it was standard procedure for the “second born” children in the family to be raised as “less than”. I’m glad that Harry woke up and realized that it doesn’t need to be that way. He doesn’t need to sacrifice himself and his happiness for William.
Certainly there were problems, I totally agree with that. But Harry himself has said that they left because Meghan was driven to suicidal thoughts over the constant maligning of her character, and he wanted to protect his wife and child.
@Merricat – maybe I’m confused about the timeline, but I think that even after the suicidal thoughts, etc., H&M offered to stay in the UK, but step away from being working royals. But the answer was “in or out” so they chose out.
Eurydice, yes, they tried to mitigate the situation by withdrawing as working royals, thinking that would help them avoid dealing with the rota. When that option was not accepted, they took the giant step. They were out of other options, and the situation they were in could not continue.
@merricat
Harry and Meghan tried their best to make it work. But they wanted to change how they operated. Mainly how they engaged with the press but that was a non-negotiable to the rest of the royal family. The invisible contract that Harry keeps referring to. Which is essentially a protection racket.
The royal family has too much dirt, bad dealings and secrets they need to hide and that’s why they continue to be forced to deal with the rota on their terms.
Ultimately, that is what both sides are intractable on. I think Harry believes if William and the rest weren’t so beholden to them, he wouldn’t have thrown Meghan to the wolves to cover for his transgressions. And the idea that the same future was in store for his children was the last straw for Harry.
@Eurydice you are correct, they offered to stay in the UK, but not work with the rota. I think that was part of what made things so bad for Meghan – not just what the RRs were saying in the papers about her, but then when she went to work those same RRS were there, in her face. She had to work with her abusers and I think that was a big part of the issue.
During all of that it was pointed out that other royals, like Anne, do not work with the rota. Another set of double standards for Harry and Meghan.
@notsugarhere
Re: Anne
I’ll leave the quote from Absolutely Fabulous
Eddie: Get me my phone book. I mean Princess Di has…
Bubble : Anne.
Eddie : …to have somebody to sit next to. You don’t get Princess Di to a major…
Bubble : Anne.
Eddie : …fashion event.
Bubble : Anne. Princess Anne.
Eddie : As well as, is it, darling?
Bubble : Instead of. Only. Oh, possibly with daughter.
Eddie : Why, why?
Bubble : Well, there was a bit of a mix-up. I didn’t make the call, but she’s very game and a really nice person.
Eddie : Oh, I wouldn’t care if she was Mother bloody Teresa, darling! It doesn’t matter for our purposes! What we need is a Princess with a press following and a designer dress on her back!
Patsy : Not someone who looks like she runs up her own.
Bubble : Well, her people were a bit cagey about which designer she favoured.
Patsy : The only label she wears is “Drip Dry”.
Just because we are people of color doesn’t mean we are less than anyone who is white. Meghan is a human, a woman, a wife, a mother, a daughter. . She is not now or has she ever been trash. You treat her with the respect she damm well deserves and until the British media and royals can understand that, her children who are part of her will never return to that disgraceful country
WORD!
Standing ovation!!!
All of the royal gossips are fantasists who’s bread and butter depends on this relationship. It’s pathetic and hilarious all at once.
Of course they won’t be close. William will never stop his smear campaign and Harry won’t (rightly) forgive him for it.
Also the Cambridges/aides were whining in the Times/Telegraph last time that they can’t talk to Harry because they “fear” it’ll be “leaked” to Oprah yet they see no issue with potential text messages being leaked to the Mail.
I’m wondering if they are referring to the WhatsApp group? I could see Harry on there talking about football with all of the cousins rather than speaking specifically to William. Plus didn’t people on here say there were pictures of Keen on her phone during the game? And we know the mail is the Middleton outlet of choice.
I remember reading somewhere that Mike Tindall said they (both H&M) left the family group chat. I have no idea how true that is or if he actually said it or it was a “source”.
they were not that close, William got married ,Harry went on with his life..Harry was single and dating from time to time . when he visited home he visited William and did events with them when asked. other than that they both had different lives. William being a married man with a wife children couldn’t live the single life as Harry anymore.
Exactly! And let’s not forget that the Cambridge’s were based in Norfolk for several years so it wasn’t like H could just pop over for dinner. Or raid their refrigerator like Will said.
I think Harry is going to use part of his time today to mention his deep love and respect for Meghan and how Diana would have loved her. William will talk about himself.
I wouldn’t want to be close to William ever again either after all of this.
So William can tell the press that he texted Harry about the football but Harry can’t tell Gayle that his phone calls with Charles and William were unproductive. I guess they are saying that Harry can bring the children now because they know he would never leave them.
They keep saying Archie can come. They know Lili is too little to leave Meghan. Or maybe they think of Lili as being “Meghan’s” and Archie belonging to Harry. I saw articles that referred to Lili as “Meghans daughter”. Either way its gross.
With or without Meghan they would’ve grown apart. I mean they probably were already. The press just cant act like they’re attached to the hip anymore.
These stories in the press are getting boring, how many times can we be told that TOB is angry at Harry. We get it. I rather hear more about the charities TOB is supporting.
There’s an article in US Magazine which claims that Kate has been reaching out to Meghan A LOT since Lili’s birth and she’s sending notes and gifts (plural) trying to build a relationship. “The firm has been instructing staffers to reach out more to Harry and Meghan” to soften them up. The staff who bullied and maligned her is reaching out to play nice.
These stories are all over the place. The Firm needs to centralize their communications. One team managing the press.
I remember Ingrid Seward moaning that Meghan and Harry didn’t ‘present’ Archie. She became quite emotional ‘we have a right to see Archie’ and the unspoken words hung in the air, ‘because we want to see how black he is’. By the way Diana and Charles were the first on the steps of the Lindo Wing I remember so that’s not a very long tradition or ‘protocol’. I wonder is the media driving the insanity that has gripped this country or merely reflecting it. Sickening populist nationalism and Meghan and Harry have become scapegoats. I hope she’s well and protected from all of it.
I know I read somewhere recently that Meghan and Harry were not actually even asked to present their baby at the hospital. That it wasn’t even protocol??
Take the medals off William in the photo of him climbing the steps and he looks like some poor Victorian office clerk out of a Dickens novel, or even Bartleby the Scrivener. He looks really thin and ill? Someone on here has said he looks on the verge of a collapse. I have seconded that and I am doing it again on the proof of these pictures.
Long Covid plus constant self-inflicted stress (and maybe Middleton-inflicted stress) plus lying to yourself do not help the immune system. Anger can literally make you sick too.
So can a marriage circling the drain and mounting responsibilities which he can’t seem to fulfill.
I’m with Jaded on this one.
I thought he really looks like his grandfather in that photo. He also looks like he’s about 50. That what hate and anger will do to you.
Robin, could it be that he’s been in rehab?
I never thought of that. Is that a current rumour? I remember a couple of years back there was talk that he was drinking a lot – roundabout the time of the Rose affair Norfolk debacle.
Ummm no, not at all. That rat bastard said vile things about one’s children and wife. Man, he could kick rocks with open toed shoes from here to eternity.
I really really believe that the British public need to come to terms with the fact that they got fed a BS story about these two brothers ever being close. That was some Charles propaganda that just really stuck and the reason he steers clear of this whole situation is because he’s afraid that Harry will blow the lid off of that.
Looking at pictures of Harry this week, I also think he’s beginning to realize just how isolating his royal existence truly was. I don’t think we’ll see him in London too much after this. I think Meghan wants nothing further to do with any of them and will let Harry sort out his family.
But make no mistake. These two can put on a show as they have in the past but they are not friends, never have been and never will be. They may have swung in the same circles but William and Harry are not close because any closeness comes at the cost of Harry being himself and William being a tyrant being closed doors.
ITA, they want Harry to set himself on fire to keep them warm. The next time may be the queen’s funeral or one of their charities to be revealed after the fact.
You will see a flying pig tap dancing on the Buckingham Palace balcony before you see William attend an event with Meghan ever again!
The Windsors are known for their long memories