Prince Harry arrived in the UK on June 25, where he was taken directly to Frogmore Cottage to wait out his five-day quarantine. Queen Elizabeth was seen driving on the Windsor property shortly after his arrival, and it was believed that she visited Harry within hours of his arrival in Windsor. I do believe that, by the way – I believe that the Queen and Harry had some kind of visit with each other, probably shortly after he arrived. The reason we haven’t heard any confirmation about that meeting between grandmother and grandson is because – as it is also clear – the Queen doesn’t tell her courtiers much of anything when it comes to her conversations with Harry. The absence of stories about the Queen & Harry’s meeting kind of proves that the Men in Grey had no idea what happened or what was said.
On the other hand, I totally believe that Harry did not see his father at all during the most recent visit. Charles was doing events outside of London, and then he made sure to be out of town on what would have been Diana’s 60th birthday (July 1st, the day of the fakakta statue unveiling). My guess/presumption is that Charles avoided contact and Harry was fine with it. So why is the Daily Mail’s Talk of the Town column trying to make this into a thing?
Prince Harry was happy to reconnect with his old pals during a ‘lads’ lunch’ earlier this year – but mystery surrounds a secret summit he was due to have with his father to rebuild their strained relationship. A source close to the Prince of Wales says Charles had planned a one-on-one dinner with Harry during his son’s trip back to Britain earlier this month, when Harry unveiled a statue of his late mother, Diana.
I’m told Charles – who was reportedly in Scotland while the ceremony took place at Kensington Palace – intended to travel back to London to thrash things out with Harry, following the fallout from the explosive interview the Duke and wife Meghan gave to Oprah Winfrey.
A nervous Charles was said to be ‘dreading’ the dinner – presumably in case he made some faux pas which could be misconstrued and repeated to the Duchess of Sussex back home in California.
But it remains unclear whether the dinner actually went ahead as planned, and an aide for Charles would not be drawn on the matter last night. However, the suggestion that the pair were willing to forge a plan to meet suggests at least a little thawing in relations between Harry and the rest of the Royal Family.
Was Charles going around, trying to get credit for thinking about meeting Harry while making absolutely zero plans to do so? Was Charles going around telling people that he would love to have dinner with his son except he was so worried about what he might say and whether it would get back to Meghan? WTF is this story? The point is that Charles was thinking about Harry but then he remembered how Harry will just tell his evil wife everything so Charles did nothing. Father of the year.
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The man has a phone or a computer for Skype.
Im of the opinion that this is an example of KP briefing against Charles, thru Royal Sources, to distract from how frigging bad William looks after the whole racist football situation. This story comes out a long after Harry is already home and right at a time when William is being called out. Same of the story about Charles keeping DoE.
omg. you are probably right, that makes sense. William is diabolical.
100% KP throwing Charles under the bus. KP is on the defense against the Sussex’s so they throw Charles under the bus to get some sort of footing. This narrative of the entire RF scared of Meghan is HILARIOUS!!!
Exactly.
Well, there ‘is’ an unknown block of time between Harry leaving the Statue unveiling on Thursday and arriving back in L.A. on Saturday. Nobody knows what happened on Friday. If Charles arrived back in town on Thursday evening or Friday morning, perhaps there ‘was’ some kind of meeting.
To me it sounds much like the visit with the Queen in that no one was told specifics so no one could give good leaks so the DM et al have to speculate and cast speculative shade.
So, they’re saying Charles is a coward who can’t handle the fact his son is married to a woman he shares things with – like normal, healthy couples do.
If this article is supposed to make Charles look good, it isn’t working.
“Was Charles going around, trying to get credit for thinking about meeting Harry while making absolutely zero plans to do so? ”
Charles did not think of meeting with Harry. Charles had no plans to meet with Harry.
This whole story is nothing but made up Porky Pies by the Daily Fail to generate click$ for revenue. The “Two Child Story” generated over 7k clicks in 24 hours. This is all about the Daily Fail generating revenue. I wonder how long it will take for Charles to get fed up with The Daily Fail.
Charles can’t look good with those sausage fingers, yikes!! I always think they’re photoshopped, they’re that scary looking
I believe it is to keep pushing that narrative that Meghan was and is the “leaker” that they’ve been trying. Like he can’t possibly say anything to his son because that awful American woman can’t keep her mouth shut.
Leaker implies secrecy. Harry and Meghan aren’t hiding behind anything. And after years of briefed against Harry and Meghan, I have zero sympathy for Charles and William.
Constantly attacking a woman, let alone a woman of color, is a terrible look for the very male heirs to the throne. It’s bizarre that they can’t see that. I can’t imagine either of them coming to the U.S. right now–and not getting hit with protest signs.
Truly, how hard is it just not to be an asshole to your son and his family??
“A nervous Charles was said to be ‘dreading’ the dinner – presumably in case he made some faux pas which could be misconstrued and repeated to the Duchess of Sussex back home in California.”
… This has real ‘I am afraid of being called a racist’/’as a bigot, I’m the actual victim’ vibes. Seriously, wtf is this story?
The racism and sexism is so so so bad, I actually don’t really know what to say anymore.
BM: whilst the country is still reeling from some harrowing racist incidents, let’s revisit our long-standing, click-baiting, totally irrational vendetta against the evil mixed-race duchess who has done really bad things (we won’t ever say what exactly, though – just trust us, we’re not racist, she’s awful); things that we can only ever construe via conjecture and stereotypes through our ‘journalists’ (who are not at all biased) and mythical ‘sources’
Ugh. I hate the whole making racist comments as a “faux paus” – only racists think it is and excuse themselves.
Non-Racists, when they say something that really came out unintentionally awful, take ownership of it, apologize and make real changes. And don’t make excuses for themselves.
That proves that Charles the one who made the comments about Archie’s skin tone..
I don’t believe there was anything like this scheduled, but again, its interesting to me that Clarence House does want it out there that Charles did want to meet with Harry, even if he was “dreading” it because he was afraid of a faux pas that would be repeated to Meghan (cough like asking about the skin color of the baby cough*). So it does seem that as opposed to KP, where the story is all about how enraged William is and how William can barely be around Harry, CH realizes that it looks better if people think Charles wants to mend things with Harry .
*j/k that was William
Interesting how it got into the papers that Charles AND William were BOTH “dreading a meeting” with Harry because everything would “get back” to Meghan. Like they believe Harry was sent out on a recon mission to get “all the dirt” and take it home for Meghan to dissemble and put out to her “talking heads (ie: Gayle and Oprah, because of course, Meghan doesn’t know ANY white journalists!).
Astounding… just… astounding. Guess they DO share an inept “Crisis Team” after all if they’re all spewing the same line.
Honestly, I can believe they do think that way because that is exactly how THEY behave. Nothing is private, nothing is just between family, every moment, interaction and piece of information gleaned from it is potential ammo used for PR and propaganda purposes. If they don’t trust Harry and Meghan, they trust each other even less.
Charles is a lying liar who lies. End of.
All I got from this story is Harry is supposed to be like the rest of the windsors and keep secrets from his wife.. I also got that Chucky wants to be seen as being keen for appearance sake. Meanwhile absolutely with no intentions of following through with it.
Yeah, I believe when the Queen was seen driving in the direction of Frogmore Cottage she was going to see Harry. She knew they couldn’t meet at Windsor Castle because the courtiers would leak that to the press just like they did the lunch the two of them had a few days before Harry and Meghan did their last engagements. As for Charles, it was reported that he would be in Scotland when Harry was in town so when exactly did he intend to meet with Harry? This story was leaked to the press after the fact so that Charles could look like he wants a reconciliation. He wants Harry back in the fold but I don’t think he cares about their relationship.
I agree Amy, I think that this is Charles’ idea of damage control after the pushback to his own “very much not a racist family” tweet, to show that *he* isn’t holding a grudge against the biracial members of the family and that *his* reconciliation efforts occurred way before this latest pr debacle, and finally that it’s not *his* fault they didn’t actually meet or reconcile.
It’s funny, this shows the family resemblance between Charles and William: William thinks he can lead by decree and simply say he’s sick of racism in football to eradicate it, and Charles takes that a step further by believing that he doesn’t even need to utter the words aloud – him briefly *thinking* of doing something is plenty good enough.
What has happened here can’t be “thrashed out” over dinner. Massive eye roll to this article.
Does “thrashed out” actually mean “apologize” in the UK? Otherwise, not interested.
WTF is this Craigslist missed connections of an article?
“You were the ginger prince, duty bound and wrapped up in events and unveilings.”
“I was the anthropomorphized tampon who will forever regret not asking you to dinner.”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. OMG THIS IS BRILLIANT!
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Lol. This is comment of the year. Anthropomorphized tampon 😂😂😂
COTD!
I dead.
Hahaha Sunday that was perfection
Hilarious and true!
Thank you, thank you, thank you!😂
@Sunday Dude best comment I have read all month! LMAO 😀
If wishes were horses, Charles. Nobody gets points for “thinking about” doing something…unless you’re talking about the Duchess of Keen, of course. Where’s the pie chart showing the desire to talk to Harry and the fear that Harry will tell his wife about it?
OK, that made me laugh out loud. Thank you for that.
I’ve long felt like the Queen’s desire to separate family from the Firm was problematic (particularly in terms of her developing a healthy relationship with Charles). But I have to appreciate how it has played out with Harry, Meghan & their family. Liz clearly decided the courtiers don’t need to have anything to do with her communications with Harry now that he is just her grandson. And I think it drives the courtiers & their media goons crazy.
Lol, +1
i was actually surprised that the BM didn’t find a way to spin the queen’s visit to frogmore (“sources say she went over there to yell at harry”, “the queen left in tears after meghan screamed at her over zoom” lols).
So is the implication that Charles doesn’t tell the love of his life Camilla anything? Here’s a thought: avoid being a stupid jerk. Charles the future king and diplomat can’t manage to do that?
She has her own place to retreat to.
The vibe I’m getting from this talking point of being afraid words will get back to Meghan is they didn’t know she was aware of the skin color conversations. They were saying things to Harry expecting him to not tell his wife.
This. 100%. And therefore also making the indirect implication that he’s a ‘race traitor’ who is under Meghan’s control. The daily mail are not only appealing to misogynists but racists as well, using this type of dangerous narrative. It’s egregiously offensive. I don’t believe this came from Clarence House. Nothing about it makes Charles look good. It’s either the awful Kensington palace or the DM made it up for clicks. What a cesspool. That whole rancid ecosystem will eventually collapse on itself and I can’t wait to see it happen. Hopefully in my lifetime.
exactly this @lulu.
i don’t think people even realise just how vile this angle of attack is. we have royal commentators and journalists now openly calling for meghan to be “taken out of the picture”, proudly advocating for the breakup of a young family. it’s disgusting and it’s dangerous.
btw, i too don’t believe shit like this is coming from CH. the royals are clueless, but charles is no dummy. no way he thinks this sort of narrative makes him/the monarchy look good. he may want the occasional story about his ‘attempts’ at reconciliation out there, but the smears are probably just a daily mail garnish.
@Woke This!!! I couldn’t understand why they, RF, were so shocked and felt betrayed because of “awful, cruel, etc” Oprah interview. The reaction was not normal. After all, a lot of Royals gave interviews, and some of these interviews revealed very unpleasant facts about RF. I couldn’t understand why this wave of rage after innocent “the call was unproductive”.
Now I have a clue. It wasn’t about this particular phrase.
I think you nailed it. They expected Harry not to reveal their conversations to his wife. Now they know that Meghan knows them in all their ugliness, and they hate her, and Harry, I’m afraid.
@Woke – Feel like you have just found the missing piece of the puzzle for us. This would explain so much.
Yes. Seriously dysfunctional families always rely on each other to keep secrets. They have secrets from each other, and secrets meant only for “family” to know. Their greatest fear is others finding out what really happens behind those closed doors. The expectation to keep the secrets is not even actively talked about, but communicated nonetheless. Telling the secrets to anyone outside the “family” is seen as a huge betrayal by almost everyone in the group. It is sickening and a traumatic way to live. I know from personal experience.
Im just gonna say there was plenty of sh!tting on Charles going on over the weekend, just as this whole mess with William and football was unfolding. Now Charles has been a sulky d!ckwad for 70+ yrs. Its just funny that these stories play out on a weekend when William needs it the most.
Lori, the line about “an aide for Charles would not be drawn last night” was reaaaal interesting. The writer is basically saying they tried to confirm the story with someone on Charles’s team but got nothing. Now if this story really came from Charles’s side, you would think the aide would have provided some tidbits to support it, under the guise of anonymity. But nothing. Seems like KP and Willileaks were up to their usual tricks.
whenever i see trademark royal PR foolishness like this, i just know it’s KP/william. CH is not that leaky (esp against meghan) and charles is rather disciplined about his messaging.
there’s definitely serious dissonance in the windsor PR, though…
Exactly. The dinner was probably set to happen. Harry mentioned it to Will but then Will has no idea if it actually did occur because Harry didn’t speak to Will after the unveiling. Charles knows Will needs content to keep his mess of a private life secret but won’t give him any breadcrumbs as far as Harry’s life is concerned. Will had to settle with dropping the story that the Duke of Edinburgh title won’t go to Edward.
I think Charles would try to see Harry. The fact that his people wouldn’t leak about it makes me think it happened. The fact that it contains a slam against Meghan being a leaker makes me think it’s from KP because William is big on acting like he is a victim of Meghan’s leaking and that’s why he has trouble reconciling with Harry.
It does feel like a KP/William attempt to attack any Charles/Harry discussions.
Yeah, sure Chucky. By running off to hide while Harry was in town? Your own 95 year old mother drove herself to go visit her grandson, but you couldn’t be bothered.
As usual PWT messes up and KP and the RF try to use Harry as a shield. Ain’t going to work KP and Chucky. Everyone can see your dirty soiled bloomers.
Oh, I know this type. I’m not racist but big mean woke people take the perfectly innocent things I say and twist them to make me seem racist. I’m so scared to say anything, because I’m an innocent lamb and the woke wolves will come after me, just like they’ll come after you. We know we’re not racist, so why do these Black people keep insisting we are?
The whole “I’m the real victim for being called racist” thing. People who can’t accept that the racist things they said and did were *always* racist, even when their targets didn’t have enough power to call them out. People who think they aren’t racist because they don’t say the n-word.
He never wanted to see Harry. He just wants to communicate to people like him that yes, the rich old white guy who is going to be a literal king is the real victim.
As if Meghan would need any further reports/ evidence that these racist twits are exactly what they’ve always shown themselves to be. I seriously doubt she’s pressing Harry for the lowdown on Charles, she’s got better stuff to do.
It’s interesting that the supposed purpose of this (imaginary) meeting was to “thrash things out” rather than, you know, congratulations on the new baby or whatever “empathetic side” Charles was trying to push earlier this year.
I don’t know whether it’s Charles that has stopped pushing the “caring father wants what’s best for his wayward son” bit or whether it’s the papers wanting to stir up conflict and put Harry and Meghan “in their place”. Could be both, I suppose.
I don’t know about the rest of you, but my family often thrashes out deep seated serious issues like racism and security over dinner when we’re in different states. The bread basket at my empty table is always full of pithy comments while my dinner partner sits alone across the country staring at a (probably) empty wine bottle that is far less interesting than my basket. Sprouted roll anyone?
Monty Python said it best.
Brave Sir Charles ran away.
Bravely ran away away.
When danger reared it’s ugly head,
He bravely turned his tail and fled.
Yes, brave Sir Charles turned about
And gallantly he chickened out.
With apologies to Sir Robin.
I don’t believe this is from Charles’ camp – I think this is a hit piece from Baldington or Middleton. Charles would never put this out there.
Yeah, this seems like speculation and the whole premise seems dumb, something very KP.
Hey Charles, as the wise old Master Yoda once said:
“Do or do not. There is no try.”
See also:
“The road to hell is paved with good intentions”
You get no points for thinking about talking with your son, or leaking about talking with your son. It just makes you look weak and manipulative.
Riiiiiiiiiiiight.
Your conclusion is hilarious yet also sad because it’s true. Also, we all agree that TQ has a secret burner phone at this point, right?
A misconstrued faux pas, huh? That’s an interesting framing.
Yes, it’s like he was planning a faux pas, but didn’t want it misconstrued.
My God how I feel for Meg and Haz. My family is going through similar issues, low key of course in comparison but it is draining me and my husband emotionally so much. We have a point in time when we will no longer have to deal with the crazy so it is somehow easier but this toxicity stays in your mind and from time to time you start to wonder that maybe it is really you who is the problem. How H&M stay sane I have no idea but it must cost them A LOT. And I don’t think BRF is going to stop anytime soon.
The narrative is clear. They all desperately want to talk to Harry but they so afraid of what they say being reported back firstly to Meghan and then the American media. Which is all a total fabrication but it probably plays well. Since the interview how often have we heard from Meghan directly let alone anything out of her mouth about her husband’s family?
If Charles had wanted to meet with Harry and Harry was agreeable, it would have happened. If it had gone well it would have been CH trumpeting the breakthrough.
I’m sure that Harry told Meghan all about his trip for the Diana dedication, including seeing his grandmother – but, somehow we haven’t heard a word about it from Gayle King.
I believe Harry saw his grandmother and father. I believe the past year has highlighted the void left by megxit. I believe that Charles is not stupid. I believe, like all parents, Charles knows his kids’ strengths and weaknesses. Therefore, i never ever believe royal experts on anything Charles related.
Charles is slimming down the monarchy. For him, his wife and kids. He’s going to pull the Sussexes back into fold and cut everyone else out. That Harry & Meghan are building a billion dollar empire will allow for the original half in / half out approach. Why? Because Charles knows the monarchy needs them to survive. Everyone knows this… esp the BM because they have nothing else to talk about. And the keens know this too… which is why Harry basically laughed in his face during the unveiling.
“Hey William. My hot wife just had a baby and made me 10 million. What did your wife do today?”
She got a blowout…