As you’ve probably seen already, the British newspapers were full of “memoir melodrama” this weekend. The Daily Mail fiction about Prince Harry’s “four-book deal” was the jumping-off point for a million stories about how the Queen, Prince Charles and Prince William feel about all of this truth-telling and literacy. The Sunday Times apparently had a big story about all of this, and sources spoke about how Charles and William are feeling:
“I fear they may sail into the sunset now, convinced they did the right thing by speaking ‘their truth,’” a royal aide told the Sunday Times. “Now I hope everyone shuts the f*** up.”
Charles has been “genuinely been so upset” by Harry’s criticisms of him. “He just doesn’t recognize any of the examples or narrative.” Friends of William and Harry say William “despairs” of Harry, “but the shock factor is wearing off,” the paper says.
“He just doesn’t recognize any of the examples or narrative” – what is even happening? Harry hasn’t portrayed Charles as some arch-villain. Harry has already spoken in detail about the arguments he had with his father and the rest of the family. Does Charles truly believe that he has been this amazing father who had Harry’s back during the hardest moments? Charles has absolutely never been that man. Anyway, in addition to that, the Daily Mail had a piece about how Harry’s book could destabilize the monarchy. If this centuries-old institution can be destabilized by a ginger prince’s memoir, then maybe the monarchy shouldn’t exist? Just a thought! Some highlights:
Destabilize the monarchy: The Royal Family are reeling from ‘very real fears’ that Prince Harry’s four-book deal could destabilise the Monarchy by undermining the reputation of his father when he ascends the throne. There is concern that the release of one of the books is reportedly due to come after the death of the Queen, which could hamper the ‘transition’ – a process that began several years ago to prepare the country slowly for the succession.
The courtiers are so mad: [The memoir’s publication] also coincides with the Queen’s Platinum Jubilee and there is concern that it could overshadow celebrations to mark her 70 years as Monarch. A source said there was also ‘anger and disappointment’ among courtiers that the Queen faces anxiety over the content of the book just months after the death of her husband, the Duke of Edinburgh.
The courtiers won’t “respond”: Senior Palace officials have decided not to respond publicly to the announcement for fear of ‘fanning the flames’ of an already strained relationship with the Duke and Duchess of Sussex. Palace aides are not confident that the Sussexes will provide senior Royals with an advance draft of the manuscript or even tell them about the content.
The York princesses understand: While Harry’s rift with his father Prince Charles and brother Prince William is clear, The Mail on Sunday understands that his cousins, Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie, are far more sympathetic to him. ‘They believe Harry’s outspoken remarks may have been triggered because previously his voice and opinions were rarely heard within the Royal Family,’ said a friend, adding that Harry was seen as the family’s ‘resident joker’ and that ‘eyes would roll’ whenever he ventured an opinion on serious matters. They believe that a string of recent interviews, including the bombshell TV special with US chat show host Oprah Winfrey, meant he feels he ‘is finally being listened to’.
Narrator’s voice: The courtiers are responding, right here, in this piece where they’re whining about how they’re not going to respond.
My guess is that the Queen isn’t all that worried about any of this, and all of this angst and drama is coming from Charles and the courtiers. And I’ll say it again: arguing that Harry has the power to “bring down the monarchy” or “destabilize the monarchy” says more about the state of the monarchy than Harry. Same thing with the argument of “William will need Harry when Will is king.” If William can’t function as king without his younger brother, then that says more about William, not Harry.
As for the thing about the York princesses… that’s very interesting to me. Harry is especially close to Eugenie, we know that. I’ve been wondering this whole time if Harry isn’t showing Beatrice and Eugenie that they have a path to leave and do their own thing too.
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It just shows that they have a lot of bad stuff happening there if they are panicking so much
Yeah this screams of there being many skeletons they are so worried will come out.
They are all dumb as a box of rocks, so I’m sure they will be telling us a lot in trying to get ahead of what they fear will be in the book.
It will be fun to see what they are most worried about in the coming months 😂
And to see who is the most worried 🧐
I’ve got my popcorn and I’m so ready for this. Let them tear their own house down.
Exactly! I feel like they’ll damage what’s left of their reputation by trying to set the record straight/clarify things they fear Harry will say, only to realize Harry wasn’t going to mention those things at all. (Kind of like they did ahead of the Oprah interview)
Popcorn ✅
Margaritas ✅
Chocolate ✅
Let the Windsor’s self destruction of an monarchy begin
A few examples of the list of things that did not destablise the monarchy in the fairly recent, so I am confident Harry’s book won’t. Unless of course they did some even more horrific things to him and Meghan.
1. Tampon gate
2. Squidgy gate
3. Toe sucking gate
4. Fake Sheikh gate
5. The queen is a ‘cow’ gate
6. William’s alleged special friends that no one is allowed to mention
7. The royal family failing to read the mood of the nation when Diana died and being seen as hiding out in Balmoral
8. Andrews alleged financial improprieties with regards to pitch in the palace
9. Andrew’s Swiss chalet debts
10. Credible allegations of paedophilia against Andrew being investigated by the FBI
And let’s not forget that Liz is only Queen because her Nazi-sympathizing uncle abdicated to run off with a pseudo-dominatrix divorcee. The monarchy survived that episode, and whatever Harry has to say couldn’t possibly top that (and is probably just going to be a confirmation what most of us have long suspected anyway).
Let’s add Andrew’s ”trainwreck” interview about raping a teenage trafficked girl (and possibly more) and associating closely with Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell. (It’s technically not pedophilia if the survivor was in her mid- to late teens.)
I’m sick of hearing this qualifier “credible.” Only a tiny percent of rape charges are false. Studies show that the majority of rapists are never even brought to the police, let alone to trial, let alone found guilty. Women ARE CREDIBLE. Men get away with rape all the time because we don’t like to think women are credible, we’re sexist or we’ve internalized misogyny. I am done with that.
I’m just going to repeat my comment from a few articles ago but altered to reiterate a few points:
“None of these things destabilised the monarchy:
– Tampon-gate,
– the Sophie Tapes
– the incessant amount of racism within the institution ruling the most diverse commonwealth and the constant ignorance towards said racism which is now LEADING TO SOME COMMONWEALTH COUNTRIES WANTING OUT AND DESTROYING THE QUEEN’s STATUES
– the complete disregard of a global pandemic that had already taken the lives of so many people
– that stupid stupid COVID choo- choo tour with two covidiots breathing in everyone’s faces,
– the recent offending and insulting of three countries (Scotland, Australia and Italy) from the so called “jewel of the crown and the “most elegant and regal statesman other brother” with their attitudes and ignorance
– dad-dancing like a buffoon on vacation when you should be celebrating your commonwealth that you’ll one day inherit
– wearing the wrong and sometimes offensive clothing to solemn and sad events of remembrances and memorials
— the PEDOPHILE living in a palace (a lot of people seem to forget that one)
– foraging into rose bushes
–
but sure, the people that did these things (HARRY and MEGHAN, not W and C like the media and they themselves want to believe) will with:
– curation of important discussions and involvement in crucial and informative summits
-acknowledgement of racism and Black Lives Matter,
– influencing of public to donate to charities,
– determination to work towards providing much needed vaccinations to struggling third world countries
– providing money to charities (that are NOT their own!)(basically doing the job of government)
– raising awareness of the hard work and determination of and elevating the rank in society of wounded and veteran soldiers
– curating a cookbook to raise money for people who’s homes and families have been destroyed through the sheer negligence of government
– creating a collection of business wear clothing for women to help in their futures of getting themselves a job and earning better livelihood or properly taking part in crucial round table discussions and not mumbling your way through like a dolt but sure a BOOOk will definitely destabilise the monarchy, not all these stupid and entities idiots fighting amongst themselves to see who gets the lollipop that comes as a prize of “who’s the most popular figurehead in a country and commonwealth that DOESN’T GIVE A SH-T!!
What also didn’t topple the monarchy…..
Charles’ biography in which he whined that his mother was cold and distant, his father overbearing, no one loved him, and he was forced into a loveless marriage with Diana
The RF’s botched appearance at the 2021 G7 summit, which they basically crashed
Keen KKKate’s stunning incompetence in her co-appearance with Dr. Jill Biden
Harry’s not the reason the monarchy is unstable. It’s an archaic institution and if he thinks Harry’s leaving is worse than the drama he’s had with his live life and letters to government officials…. It’s just easy to blame Harry or Diana.
Also he is not the reason Charles has a bad reputation. If not being a good parent were the basis for refusing a monarch, the Queen would have already been gone.
Charles has *never* had a good reputation or been popular.
Literally before he married Diana his approval rating was mid-teens.
Charles has always been a bit awkward and lacked charisma.
It’s not going to destabilise the monarchy that he is not well-liked. Monarchy isn’t a popularity contest. There’s just no appetite for abolishing the monarchy.
All the lies.
1 the queen had been informed that harry was writing the book, and its clear she didn’t tell her courtiers.
2. If harry says anything about his father in his book it won’t be anything that these same journalists who are
whining now, haven’t reported on in the past.
3. There is no 2nd book after the queen dies. Harry’s spokesperson said as much.
4. The courtiers are responding right
now, with this article.
5 can they stop using the DoE as a shield? The queen started working 3-4 days after this old man died. Im sure she misses him but its really not that dramatic.
6. The book is being released well after the jubilee is done. So nothing will overlap. Courtiers can go cry in a corner
7 PRINCE ANDREW IS RIGHT THERE
“If harry says anything about his father in his book it won’t be anything that these same journalists who are whining now, haven’t reported on in the past.”
Certainly nothing about Charles they do not already know. He has been famous since birth, countless books and articles have been written about him. I’m sure some juicy nuggets have been left out. Harry may mention the ones that affected him. Charles is right to worry the damn may break as journalists acquire a hook for other stories. E.g. “Mirroring the experience Harry reported in his book, the Mail has learned the Lady Louise suffered the following .
Wow. They’ve been more awful than we previously even imagined if they’re so afraid of Harry telling the truth about his own life.
Afraid of his truth? Lol, my favorite part is when someone says “I fear they may sail into the sunset now, convinced they did the right thing by telling their truth.” Omg, so they also fear Harry being happy. They really want him to suffer. How dare he sail into the sunset? These people are terrible.
Yes, I don’t know how else to interpret that comment.
I’m still wondering exactly WTF was meant by that comment. I’m glad I’m not the only one who noticed how strangely it was worded.
This family, jfc. Digging their own graves as we watch in real time.
Charles was literally bffs with a monster pedophile for decades. Oh he also married his mistress. But Harry writing a book is supposed to bring him down?
Its confusing because if charles was as good of a father as he has spent 20+ years trying to portray himself as he has nothing to fear.
You’d think Charles was secretly a serial killer given the level of freaking out over a memoir.
Their official narrative, the fiction they sell about Charles, William and ” duty”, like marrying a teenager and marrying your stalker were forced upon them, makes absolutely no sense in the real world. That is why they keep saying it over and over again, to normalize it.
Guess which narrative makes sense in the real world? White and traditional family not really accepting a biracial woman, embarrassed about mixed-race offspring, horrified when their neighbors find out how awful they truly are beneath all the ” politeness”.
Wait, which monster pedophile are we talking about? The tv one or the church one? Or are there others I haven’t heard of yet?
“Destabilize the monarchy”
If they treated him so bad for so long that the potential of re-telling of stories could destabilize the monarchy, they only have themselves to blame.
How, HOW do they not realize this?
How, HOW do they not realize this?
Translation: Charles and William are afraid THEIR actions, if Harry chooses to include them, will harm the Monarchy. (Hint: they will)
About the York Princesses. Yes, they are close. Actually, Harry is the only one they could get close to. Think about it: they have no relationship with Charles, Edward and Anne barely know their names and William ignores them.
The sad truth of this family is that Beatrice and Eugenie can only count on the Queen and Harry. and they know that. Andrew is the worst, but he does fight for his childrens´s ” rights – as he sees it- and Harry is housing Eugenie.
I knew immediatly the reports about the York Princesses being a bit effy about the book were exagerated. They will not risk losing their only ally if all that is asked of them is they not speaking shit.
Are they really? I always thought that the York girls were fine with pretty much everybody in the family except william and kate and that is mainly due to kate’s mean girl ways.
I don’t know why but i always felt like the majority of the royal family aren’t that found of william and kate, Queen included.
Windsors siblings are not close, nor friendly. You could say Anne and Charles get along to some extent, but that is all.
The whole family is built on primogeniture, so only Charles line is ” important”. Hence, my comment. Harry, and the expectation that Harry would work for William as the courtiers keep saying, would be the only allies the York princesses had in that family going forward.
I mean, Eugenie and Beatrice can be bff with Anne´s kids for all we know, but this does not change the fact Anne´s kids, but they do not have power in that family, and that is what I meant.
I always said that William and Kate are the ones isolated from the family. The Yorks are fine with everyone imo. The others working royals might have an issue with H&M but I doubt it’s that deep.
Beatrice and Eugenie are not working royals and appear to have good relationships with all of the family members. Why do the need “allies” to live their private lives?
@Mac : you are missing the point of this family being a firm. Beatrice and Eugenie, despite not being working royals, are still high profile royals. People know their names, know who they are. Their parents made sure of that. Andrew might have done with good intentions, because the world for him revolves around being a royal, but he did them a disservice.
Beatrice and Eugenie both live within palace grounds. Like many other cousins down the line. The reason they do it, other than living rent free, is security. TQ takes her duty, whatever that is, seriously, and she cares for her extended family. Out of their own pocket, they say.
Do you really think Charles will be that mindful? Or William? TQ dying, who knows what Charles will do?
In this sense, Harry was seen as somebody they could trust to speak for them. This is over now.
Huh, if Beatrice and Eugenie live rent free why was Andrew always kicking up a fuss about having to pay $20,000 in rent for their apartment in St James Palace?
The extended families living in the palaces *were* rent free until not that long ago, when TQ had to renegotiate the SG. I think this was in 2011. Then it was “rent free for those performing royal duties”.
It was agreed that “fair market value” would be charged for the apts. after that point, and commiserate with the amount of work for The Crown. I *believe* she picks up the rent for her cousin, Princess Alexandra still, but that’s it.
What I observed :
Beatrice and Eugenie did not even have the choice of being on the royal payroll, but they have a history of being very “keen” on the freebies (big wedding, tiaras, granny granting a place to live) on the freebies depends on the Monarch
About the rent: TQ is said to pay for some out of her own pocket. Market rate they say. I supect is not that straighforward, but it shows her commitment. I think yes, Charles and William will be evicting the elderly if they can.
The whole point is to live on palace grounds because of security and also, because these aristocrats are used to. As I said, The Yorks- ALL OF THEM- enjoy the freebies. Harry was not the heir, but as close as the Yorks could get to have someone speaking on their behalf.
Today on ‘gaslighting 101…’
Yeah, no. YOU ‘the monarchy’ are doing the destabilising and undermining your reputation. All the pettiness, racism, thin skinned, ego-driven philandering and nastiness starts at home. Look in a mirror and then do us all a favour and just go away. There is no need for a monarchy and we could use the money for other things which will have a far more positive impact on society. Heavens knows we need that.
Oh and also:
‘Palace aides are not confident that the Sussexes will provide senior Royals with an advance draft of the manuscript or even tell them about the content.’
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
The UK press is doing more damage to the royal family than harry could ever wish to bring upon them.
Its a thing of beauty isn’t it?
Bring on the Republic.
As many of us have been saying here for basically months now – if what Harry knows is so damaging to the monarchy, that says more about the monarchy than about Harry. If Harry telling the full story would be bad enough to bring down the monarchy….then what the eff is that full story?? what is really happening behind the palace doors? Thanks to Diana and now H&M I think we have a good idea, but apparently there is a lot we’re missing.
And like I said last week – I do not think the york princesses were shocked or dismayed by this memoir, not when their father gave a trainwreck of an interview and their mother has published multiple memoirs. And the point about their having more sympathy for Harry is a good one, they probably have a good idea of what he went through and how much his voice was ignored or silenced in the family (probably the same way theirs are), so they can understand him wanting to get his voice out there.
We know (from Harry himself) that he’s not going to name the person who asked about Archie’s skin color. And I agree with others (including you, Becks) that the point of the book is to share his life experiences, not to spill royal tea. But I wonder if he’ll shed some light on the shenanigans around the wedding? It really seems like there was a campaign out of KP to make sure Harry & Meghan never made it down the aisle.
And *that* would blow up the whole, “we welcomed her with open arms! Charles walked her down the aisle,” thing.
That’s a good point, if he talks more about the drama around the wedding. And if he pins a lot of the smear campaign on Jason Knauf….that would be basically the same for many people as pinning it directly on William, so we may see some things like that, where to the average reader, Harry is blaming the institution, but if you’re more familiar with the staff set up, you’re going to be able to read between the lines.
Eugine and Bea can completely understand Harry because they have first hand knowledge of just how evil Willy and Kate really are. So yeah, I bet they are his biggest cheerleaders
What is happening behind palace doors that is so bad that Harry’s book can bring down the monarchy? Reluctant FFK William is what they are worried about, not Charles. Charles endured the bad press fire and survived. William cannot tolerate a bad press fire, and we know this because the media protects him for some reason, and the royal family protects him for some reason. Hence, we deduce that William demands protection from bad press or else he will….. will what? He’ll bolt and they are terrified of another abdication.
Harry right now is the wild card … he is not part of the Firm or the media with an interest in protecting William at all costs. Harry doesn’t have to spill every secret about William, but if Harry’s own story is being tossed to the media wolves to protect William while William was drugging, partying, and appearing in offensive, racist costumes too, then Harry easily opens the door for the tabs to write about William’s faults. It’s a workaround to their invisible contract. The tabs can then elaborate on Harry’s stories with their own inside sources and suddenly resurfaced photos from their vaults and William won’t be able to shut it down. William will have an uncomfortable year waiting to see what Harry drops and who knows what he will do under that pressure.
I agree with you that this more about William than Charles. I feel like even people who “support” Charles are at the most lukewarm supporters and so much of his dirty laundry has already been aired. It seems like most royal supporters are just waiting for Charles’ reign to begin and end so they can all move on to William, who really “should” be king in place of Charles (thats not me saying that, just the average william supporter.) But what if Harry spills the beans on some of the issues with William, even if he does it in a roundabout way like you said, and in such a way that the RRs get to write about William’s problems without actually being blamed for it (like we saw with the Tatler article, where RRs repeated whole sections of the article, even after it was edited online, but the palace couldnt really do anything bc the RRs were just reporting on something someone else said/wrote.)
I feel like many people have been just waiting to get Charles reign over with and there’s been this focus on William as the future (and not just coming from KP, I feel like that’s kind of been out there for decades – after Charles we’ll have William and HE’s fine, he’s Diana’s son, HE is going to save the monarchy and people will love him.) But if Harry shares some secrets that make William less desirable? That’s a really big problem for the monarchy and that’s probably what they are most scared of, not about Harry saying that Charles wasn’t a good father. Everyone knows that.
@becks1: at this point i really don’t think Harry could say anything to make william look bad. Not because william is a saint but because Harry has been smeared so much. People will get angry at him for spilling the secrets instead of angry at william for his behavior. Ever since harry married meghan he became the anti.
And lets not forget that william has a palace team and a whole media establishedment working for him. People simply have this irrational hatred for the sussexes. So anything they say or do will be met with outrage.
@Pao – disagree. He absolutely could make William look bad, that’s why there’s so much panic. People will get angry at him for spilling secrets but they are certainly going to read and discuss those secrets and they will have a big impact on William’s image. And even the “anger” will only be mock outrage so that people feel better talking about William’s affairs or drug use or whatever. Kind of like how people say “oh no, the photographers really shouldn’t have taken those pictures” but we all see the pictures and talk about them, or how we say “oh no, that person really shouldn’t have tape recorded Charles and Camilla” but we are still discussing that infamous phone call to this day, etc. The outrage is only to provide cover for our own gossip.
And the same is true for the media establishment. I think there is a large group of the RRs who WANT Harry to spill all the tea, so then they can discuss it. “well its just horrible that he continues to smear his family, can you believe he said that William cheats on Kate, and that he has cheated on her for years and years, and with the Marchioness of Cholmondeley and a lawyer and a banker etc, its just really so horrible that Harry put that out there, poor Kate, can you imagine what she is going through, how could Harry tell the world that, we cant believe it, but we’re going to keep talking about it for the next month.”
How fucking dirty are their hands if one rouge spare heir can destabilize a thousand year establishment?
I don’t know, if the family and the press are innocent of any wrongdoing and have been welcoming and supportive as they say they were, why is there so much panic about the book? And Charles seems to think that he was a good father. It shows that he’s been told by his lackeys that he did such a good job raising Harry and William and any flaws in their character are due to Diana. I look forward to Harry talking about people in the royal family deriding him by saying he was just like his mother.
Charles probably thinks he was a good father compared to his father not compared to actual good fathers.
I’ve always thought this is true.
charles could put an end to all this simply by picking up the phone and trying to make things right with his son … instead of apparently living in fear for the next year
Charles did not even wait a year after Diana died to start using his sons in the Let’s Accept Camilla Campaign. I remember feeling that was just so tacky.
Charles was always SO tacky; SO gauche. The way he handled his affairs while married to Diana were so over-the-top, he showed absolutely zero discretion or consideration for his legal spouse. And the way he paved the path to marrying Camilla was gross. I’m astounded at the sheer yuckiness and total lack of manners he has, a middle class suburban housewife has a better idea of how to comport oneself with decency and behave properly in public than the next King.
Whatever they are afraid of is more than just Charles being a trash father and William being a lazy, engorged with rage asshole. If they think Harry can destabilize the monarchy than it isn’t just about some uncomfortable gossip.
Huh, so that’s what the Queen has been doing all this time – sloooooowly transitioning. I guess she was hoping that Charles would slooooooowly become lovable.
And I see they’ve dragged Phillip out from his grave. How cruel of Harry to publish a book while the Queen is still theoretically grieving more than a year from now.
But, is the RF really scurrying back and forth in panic, wringing their hands and wailing, like it’s the sinking of the Titanic or something? Very odd – maybe they shouldn’t have rolled their eyes so much when Harry tried to speak.
Funny how she doesn’t seem too depressed at the horse races. Must have forgotten to look sad then
That stuck out to me too – “the ‘transition’ – a process that began several years ago to prepare the country slowly for the succession.” Has the Fail ever mentioned this directly before? I know they’ve hinted around at Charles having more on his plate but to my recollection they haven’t really explicitly acknowledged that the Queen’s power is waning as Charles takes over. They’re sort of echoing how H & M carefully talk around the Queen when it comes to who is making the decisions right now.
Exactly, we’ve seen Charles put his foot down, like with Andrew after the BBC interview and Charles has to be the one who gave H&M the “in or out” ultimatum. But it seems like Charles wants his cake and to eat it, too. He gets to wield power in the background, but also slither off to the country when he doesn’t want to confront an issue. And with slimming down the monarchy (I love the occasional typos here calling it “sliming”) Charles will be in the spotlight even more, which will be painful for his delicate soul.
If all it takes to destabilize the monarchy is a book, then perhaps the monarchy is useless and should be abolished; certainly something so unstable should not be able to wield power over affairs of state.
Nothing Harry could say about Charles could be worse than the leaked phone call with then mistress Camilla, charles own voice and words. It was revolting and turned most of the country against him at that time.
Soon, everyone in the UK will be able to think about tampons every time they see a British quid coin or note. “I want to be your tampon” will grace all the money. Everyone will sing “god save the king” to tampon man. The jokes write themselves.
Sometimes I kinda wonder if the Queen is in on Harry and Meghan’s plans. They clearly have no issues with her. She seems to have entered her “fuck it” phase, and maybe not telling the courtiers is part of the fun. I like to think that when Harry was over there for the statue, he went to see Granny and they were high-fiving and laughing it up over everybody losing their shit about all the rumors (or really, just rumors of rumors).
A lot of old people get to the “fuck it, I’m gonna do what I want” stage. I can believe the Queen is there. She never thought Charles was worthy, William has proven not only to be a gigantic disappointment but also a liability. Harry is probably the only relative not asking for a hand out and treats her like a granny and not an ATM machine.
I can totally see this. Lol
Agree 100%, Snuffles.
You know, that makes me think how much better off William would be if he wasn’t too arrogant to watch how his brother treats people, and follow that example. Harry was more popular because he had the emotional awareness to pick up on what people needed from him and treated them accordingly. The Queen just wants to be a regular nana sometimes, so he’s a doting, affectionate grandson. Kate is uptight and visibly uncomfortable around her own husband, so Harry tried to be sort of playful and even endured her awkward flirtations. When he was in the Army, he realized that no one wanted to serve with a spoiled prince who was just in it for the dress uniform and unearned medals, so he insisted on being treated like any other soldier. But no, William couldn’t show a modicum of humility, and now he’s lost his only brother, possibly forever.
Let’s not forget, not laying Harry’s wreath on the last Remembrance Day ceremony was said to be THE QUEEN’S decision. Not Charles. Hell, even that photographer (Arthur Edwards??) got to lay a wreath after the family.
The Queen IS capable of coldness considering the way she treated Diana. And she just let William treat Harry badly.
Miranda, I have to admit that I wondered that, too. I wonder if TQ doesn’t worry because her reign really isn’t affected, but perhaps having a little of the “secrets” out there may help water it down in the long term? Or, maybe she’s just enjoying being a Grandmother and not having to deal with all of the intrigue and backstabbing.
(TheOG) Jan90067, was it TQ who wouldn’t allow Harry to lay a wreath? I think they’re hiding behind her because the optics of that was so bad. I suspect it was C or W
I agree with you, Saucy, they’re using the queen as a convenient scapegoat for their bad behavior.
@Saucy&Sassy, The reports on Nov. 9th and around then were that courtiers denied the request. On Jan. 1, 2021 Rebecca English/DM put out the story that it was really the Queen that made the decision. Saying the Queen made the decision in two seconds! I’m going with the original reports.
“ They believe Harry’s outspoken remarks may have been triggered because previously his voice and opinions were rarely heard within the Royal Family,’ said a friend, adding that Harry was seen as the family’s ‘resident joker’ and that ‘eyes would roll’ whenever he ventured an opinion on serious matters.”
This man accomplished SO MUCH within the confines of that oppressive institution and they still treated him like a dunce. If this is true, it’s no wonder Harry fell head over heels for Meghan. Someone in his life FINALLY listened to him, took him seriously and showed him that he could survive AND thrive outside the institution. If I was in his shoes, I would worship the ground Meghan walks on too.
I can only imagine the amount of gaslighting he endured. Telling him that he was weak and stupid but then forcing him to do all the work that William wouldn’t.
When I read that part, I got seriously angry for Harry.
I’m in a family where, once you have a label, it sticks. And the labels aren’t usually based in reality, they’re based on how you can be used to make others feel. Me? I was the dumb, lazy one (my mom and goldenchild sister decided this was so, and it stuck). And I kind of internalized it as true even though I KNEW how my family saw me wasn’t the real me. My friends would always say, ‘you’re so different when you’re away from your family’ but it wasn’t until my BFF from college said something that my eyes were opened.
Basically, at my college graduation party (she graduated the year before me), all of the cards my family gave me were focused on how surprised they were I’d graduated, that I’d FINALLY done it, etc. She lit into them (to me, not to their faces) after because, to paraphrase her words, “You are one of the smartest and most hardworking people I have ever met. You always said they labeled you and I didn’t believe you until I saw it myself, and I’m sorry.”
And she pointed out that one reason I was behind her graduating was because for over a year, I’d worked three jobs (well over 40 hours a week) and took the bare minimum of classes because I had to help pay for tuition when my dad was on temporary disability (I’d always paid for books/living expenses). And that I was way smarter than I gave myself credit for. And THEN she pointed out that when I started going to school full time again, I kept two jobs and still worked close to 40 hour weeks, and that our bosses (we worked both jobs together) depended on and trusted me way more than anyone else we worked with. It was only then that I realized, oh I’m not really dumb and I’m totally not lazy. My sister would still ‘joke’ about how it took me ‘so long’ to graduate years later, but I learned how to shut that s*** off at the knees. She stopped…because it’s a control mechanism, and once she knew it wouldn’t work anymore, she eventually gave up.
Not to go on, but sometimes, even though you know you’re different than your label, sometimes it takes someone from outside your family dynamic to fully open your eyes. My BFF did it for me, and I truly think Meghan did that for Harry. He is so smart and accomplished and KIND and hardworking despite being used for much of his life as a scapegoat. And he totally looks like he’s over their gaslighting BS and has also learned to cut that s*** off at the knees, and they can’t control him anymore, and it infuriates them.
But really, reading that quote burned me the heck up inside. I really, really, really dislike that family.
@tigermcqueen
(((((Virtual HUG)))) I feel you. Been there myself.
@TigerMcQueen
I so relate your description of your family dynamic. I’m sorry you went through that. I did too, and still to this day. People who haven’t been forced to live through it all their lives just do not understand.
The part about the York sisters jumped out at me, too. It basically confirms that Harry’s official role within the RF was The Scapegoat. And they wonder why he wanted to peace out?!!?
As @TigerMcQueen, myself and too many others know, they don’t wonder why. Hell no. All they care is that you put a stop to it, and they don’t like it. At all.
“wondering this whole time if Harry isn’t showing Beatrice and Eugenie that they have a path to leave and do their own thing too.” well presumably their husbands do have jobs, also they can’t make money telling scandalous secrets as much as he can as they have lower profiles and their mom already opened up a lot so the info they are privy to is less valuable. I thought they had requested to work more (as royals.) so they’d probably rather do that than a full time lower paid job
If Charles wasn’t so petty, Eugenie and Beatrice should have been working royals for the past decade. They are in DESPERATE need for young blood. They are willing and able. The only reason I can see why they aren’t out there doing bread and butter engagements is because Charles is so petty.
After being slammed in the media themselves and seeing how Harry is constantly thrown under the bus to protect those higher up, why would they want to be “working” royals in any sense?
@equality
Well, these days they’re probably thinking twice about it, but I would say 10 years ago they were more than game for it.
The Sovereign Grant allowance is why they wanted to be working Royals. And a Favor and Grace apt. w/in the Palace(s).
But regardless, even if they were the Mother Theresas of Working Royals, because of Charles’ dislike/hatred of Pedo, whatever you want to call it, he would NEVER let Pedo and Freeloading Fergie’s kids get a leg up on his “watch”. It’s the one thing he knows will eat at Pedo and FF more than anything.
Bea and Euge have good lives, considerable privacy, young families, good income, the queen’s support, etc. They aren’t at all in the situation Harry was because they are no threat to anyone and they’re not required to do anything in particular. True, their parents are calamitous, but the sisters themselves seem to be doing great.
Amanda, all true. I do think though that Harry has shown Bea and Eugenia that you don’t need the brf to go forward in life. It’ll be interesting to see if either of them go off on their own, too.
The same as usual, a bunch of people who cannot seem to shut up about Harry think that Harry should shut up about Harry.
I’m just here laughing at how the cowardly courtiers & the carnival of so-called experts are both hiding behind the skirts of that toothless, frail, little old lady. Theyre throwing all kinds of false flag “concerns” out there……squirrel! Look over there!……when in fact, every decent person knows tht the truth bombs tht H will detonate, will DETAIL the unholy contract between the courtiers & the media which has successfully imprisoned his FAMILY in FEAR for over 100 years.
Your comments make me think that all of it should come just simply come out — ALL of it. Clearly the Brits will never abolish the Monarchy. It will probably be way slimmed down, but really it’s a figurehead and they don’t want to lose that. It’s tradition, it”s history, it’s Pomp and Circumstance, it’s a spectacle, it’s about tourusm $$ — it’s all of that. I say just let all the sh– come out. The Monarchy is immune given all that it’s survived over hundreds and hundreds of years.
Live by the sword, die by the sword. If the whinny Windsors weren’t rotten to the core and treated Harry and Meghan worst than gum stuck to the bottom of shoes, then they would have absolutely nothing to fear, however they did bad, so yes , how can they sleep peacefully knowing that any moment now Harry has enough info to pull the plug. I doubt he will but the fact that these people Chucky and willnot are shitting themselves over this book, brings me great joy for all the things they put a young Harry Harry through and then a Harry with a wife and children. Not to mention all the shit that Meghan went through at their hands. I am not related to these people, I don’t know these people but everytime I remember what Megs said in the Oprah interview and every time I remember some smear from the British media and Willy , I see red all over again. So on behalf of Harry and Meg. F- off monarchy
If william was able to control himself and be polite and civil to Meghan, this would not have happened. And the second Harry told William his “advice” was not wanted, William should have backed off. The part time royal work should also have not been turned down. Kate perhaps believes all the overhyped PR about her but no excuses for her calling the media to deny the stories of the “crying.”
“Palace aides are not confident that the Sussexes will provide senior Royals with an advance draft of the manuscript or even tell them about the content.”
😂🤣😂🤣😂What are these people smoking? Tell me, these racists clowns didn’t say this with a straight face. Y’all kicked the Sussexes out. They’re under no obligation to show y’all any damn thing.
Fact
They would just leak it to the BM if they were provided a draft of the Memoir. Do they think Harry is not aware of their leaky ways?
You know what’s destabilizing to a monarchy? Racism.
Yup, this. We can say the monarchy survived Tampongate or whatever, but the world is different now. People are finding their voices and they’re going global on social media. The Commonwealth countries can compare notes every day, they don’t have to wait for the occasional parade of royals. Charles cheated on Diana – that’s between them, but racism is about everybody.
YEP
If an abdication and the whole Diana/Charles/Camilla stuff didn’t destabilise the monarchy (I know there was tension after each event but the monarchy settled down after that) then really makes you wonder what exactly are the courtiers so afraid of?
It caused real damage, the aftermath of the Queen not leaving Scotland right after Diana died had a lasting effect. I don’t think anything really settled down, there have been later scandals (e.g. Andrew). I also notice that during the Burrell Trial, the Queen quickly called a halt to it suddenly “remembering” Burrell was not culpable. I think there had been things that Burrell would have revealed so the Queen put the brakes on it.
The only thing their reaction and fear shows is just how much there is to choose from in the “these royals ain’t shit” walk in closet.
Andrew’s daughters are likely unbothered because they are the only ones who have very little they are responsible for. It’s their parents who should be concerned and I’m thinking B&E came to terms a long time ago with who F&A are. Those girls are both married now. They both got their royal weddings and there’s very little now the royal connection can do for their, especially knowing Charles’s plans for the future.
I bet the firm wishes they had agreed they had agreed an arrangement where they had some semblance of control now. Or had at least wished them well & just got on with business. Instead all that briefing about bullying, blood earrings, wreathgate, Lilibet’s name…When you do clownery 🤡
I’m prepared to be wrong but I don’t think Harry will spill tea on them but anything that corrects a a narrative will be seen as an attack. We saw that with Meghan saying it was Kate who made her cry but they made up,she was a good person even suggesting that she have had hands tied too was reported as an attack by Meghan. So if Harry corrects idea he was protected as a teen (see https://bylineinvestigates.com/2020/04/07/royal-exclusive-murdoch-ceo-brooks-illegally-spied-for-a-year-on-teen-prince-harry/ ) then that would be an ‘attack ‘ on Charles parenting
Are they deflecting from their real fear which is William’s role in the Sussexes exit from royal life?
Nah, the monarchy will destabilize the monarchy. And you’re doing a lovely job all by yourselves!
Honestly, this was my favorite bit from the story: “There is concern that the release of one of the books is reportedly due to come after the death of the Queen, which could hamper the ‘transition’ – a process that began several years ago to prepare the country slowly for the succession.”
What’s to prepare for? The royal family doesn’t run anything. They cut ribbons and have tea parties. The Prime Minister and Parliament will still be there. The UK isn’t going to disappear.
The grey men/Charles have built up this institution in their heads and honestly don’t understand how meaningless (and expensive) this all is.
The BRF is doing a fine job of “bringing down the monarchy” and “destabilizing the monarchy” by themselves. Well done you doddering old farts…you lost the only 2 royals who could have done a fabulous job bringing the monarchy into the 21st century.
So, I can completely understand why Charles is scared. He was seriously hated after Diana died. It took him years to undo the damage and had to do things he never would have done otherwise. For example: He turned Camilla into his lost love. Charles had many girlfriends and mistresses throughout his life. His story with Camilla isn’t a love story. He only married her because he needed that narrative. The other half of the PR was to do with him being a great hands on father. He wasn’t. He spilled all about William and Harry meeting Camilla. He had Harry visit a rehab center as an into to being Royal. Then it was leaked to the press after Harry was caught with some Pot that Charles did it to scare him straight as a concerned father. Meanwhile Club H was in full swing and Charles was nowhere to be found. He even admitted that his sons couldn’t trust his office to explain why he was giving them staff of their own. He’s quite close to the crown now. He’s scared that all the work he’s done will be undone by Harry’s book.
I agree. Harry doesn’t need to spill any tea. Simply correcting false narratives that benefited Charles and William terrifies them.
The Great Love story spin is just something Charles put out in PR. It is forgotten by the media (or some) that he was involved with another married Mistress, Lady Dale Tryon, who, like Camilla, named Charles godfather of one of her children. Janet Jenkins also was an on again off again lover and the J and C love letters were sold at auction.
As bad as all of their baggage is (ANDREW), TamponGate is still the most cringe thing about the Royals to me, at least about Charles and he’s the one who will be King. You just can’t unhear it, can you?
And then there’s the SNL sketch where you see him actually be transformed into a tampon and left lying on the sofa yelling when Camilla rejects him and walk away. A sad/mad little Charles-faced tampon, that’s all I can see.
OMG… I SO forgot about this!!! GOLD! PURE G.O.L.D!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwrzj_oMZ7c
Also, there was great mockery of Charles confessions after it happened. Young women would go to pharmacies and ask for “Charlies” instead of the personal product.
We should absolutely revive this.
I actually remember the You’re Wrong About… podcast’s take on the Charles-Camilla Tampongate stuff, and I agree with them. I think it was a private conversation between the two of them, and when taken strictly in context, it’s sweet. But only if it’s taken strictly in context, and if it remains private between the two of them. I doubt anyone’s, ahem, dirty talk is ever not embarrassing to anyone except the people involved. So I’m inclined to let Charles be on that sh-t tbh. The only sad part is that it got leaked.
And again, if he dealt with it without feeling overly sorry for himself, people would actually respect him more. So many of the problems the royals have could be solved just a bit if they stopped giving as much of a sh-t about things they think are their shortcomings. Charles being overly emotional isn’t actually a bad thing. Women calling tampons “Charlies” is pretty f-cking funny. If he just had the capacity to go with the f-cking flow every once in a while, and not be so overly concerned abt how others perceive him, he’d see his popularity go up by a lot.
If Charles really can’t see himself in any of Harry’s narrative, his narcissism is almost to super power proportions. So self centered that he can’t even conceive of any criticism for running his child out of the country. WOW
So I know all of 2022 will be the platinum year for the queen. But is the jubilee all year too? I was under the impression that the jubilee is a specific set of celebrations that will take place in the Spring/ early summer so I’m confused by the how the fall/ winter release will overshadow it.
All I’ve got today is that Harry is hotter than Hades. He’s such a gorgeous man. William looks like Diana, but his troubled interior makes him look slimy and effeminate. Harry looks self-assured and self possessed, and it makes him incredibly sexy.
Meg and their little family are what matters to this man. His goodness leaps out in pictures when he’s next to Will and Charles.
I think William looks more like his father now, down to his “mugging” expressions and even the pointing. He lost his resemblance to Diana but he does have the same “oblong’ face of his Uncle Charles. The rest is all Windsor.
They never took him seriously and never cared if he was hurting. I see this image of Harry in his military gear with mud streaked on his face saying “do you hear me now!” They are scared because he was right there listening to everyone and everything and no one considered him enough of a threat to worry about what he knows.
LOL do ‘they’ think folks have forgotten about Jonathan Dimbleby’s 1994 authorized biography and TV interview of Prince Charles that that embarrassed his parents, had everyone believing he wasn’t suitable to be king, and “raised questions” about the future of the monarchy?
It’s amazing how some in media just overlook or don’t want to mention Charles interview. He was especially critical of his father and complained about his mother’s “coldness.” Even his siblings spoke up against him to defend their parents.
Carried over from the other post where the friends fear the memoir.
BM, BRF, T UK and Friends of Harry, IT’S NOT ABOUT YOU! IT’S REALLY, REALLY, REALLY NOT ABOUT YOU AND FOR THOSE ALL THE WAY IN THE BACK, IT’S NOT ABOUT YOU! GO SIT DOWN SOMEWHERE, SHUT UP AND GET OVER YOURSELVES.
Jeez…. What the hell have they done?
If your house is blown over by a stiff wind then it wasn’t stable in the first place.
Also destabilizing, seemingly the entire brf running to the media raging and crying with over the top, made up and racist accusations multiple times daily. Not a good look for the brf. The whole world sees. The clown show is embarrassment.
Charles forgets or maybe is in denial that he himself had an authorized biography that criticized his parents. That created quite an uproar.
“I’ve been wondering this whole time if Harry isn’t showing Beatrice and Eugenie that they have a path to leave and do their own thing too.” – Those two little grifters are never going to stray from the royal purse strings…especially not Beatrice who is definitely her mother’s daughter in every grifter way!
no they was never working royals-
I’m going to bet that Harry is actually going to be extraordinarily kind about his father in his memoir, while still remaining truthful. In everything that Harry has said about Charles, it’s always been rooted in a profound sense of empathy for his father’s circumstances, while still remaining honest about how that dysfunction has affected Harry and his family.
Like, it’s amazing to me that Charles, for all of his incessant whinging about how hard his life is, how no one understands him, how his parents didn’t love him, doesn’t understand that out of everyone in the world who gets what it was like for him, it’s probably Harry. And how the thing he needs the most, which is compassion and understanding about the stuff Charles has gone through, is Harry. Again, it’s amazing to me how, at every turn, Charles throws away any opportunity offered to him to come out looking like a good person. And then he has the gall to be shocked at the fact that people don’t like him.
Harry said he don’t want to pass on this genetic pain and suffering from his family to his children. he is going to take another route with his memoir. Phillip passed down a lot of negative stuff to his children, according to how he grew up. Charles had his issues with Cold parents.might be Harry is only going to write about his journey and people he met that had a positive impact on his life. he will touch on things that was on the wild side and what impact it had on his life. no need to talk about friends and such in a negative way ,its his life and his mistakes and positive things that shaped him.Harry never said Charles was cold and heartless towards him all his life , he mention that his father won’t take his calls. Harry is not going to call out his father like Charles did with his parents. if William always had some kind of brain issues since he was a child or when he cracked his head . all Harry did was to have empathy for him and help him by doing events and planning things ,that William couldn’t.and William took credit for it.Harry grew into a responsible man ,while William is still stuck as a jealous teen. maybe the courtiers are scared Harry will talk about William lack of brain cells to be king.but Harry is not that kind of man. for yrs Harry took the heat off William so William can save face ,Harry is not going to bring his brother down in his memoir.
In the late 80s Charles gave the keynote speech at an American Institute of Architects conference (he was also honorary chair) at the Benedum Center in Pittsburgh. I was visiting friends in Pittsburgh that weekend and there was a protest of I think the Hiberian Society outside his speech. One of the many posters we saw read “Prince Charles would rather ride horses than Di!” The monarchy has already been destabilized and he had a large hand in it.
My God! How many times are they going to reiterate the same exact thing. We get it. You’re scared sh*tless