On Friday, I wrote up a piece about Lilibet Diana Mountbatten-Windsor and the absence of her name from the line of succession list. Last Friday marked a full seven weeks since Lilbet’s birth, and her absence from the Royal Family’s list of the line of succession was notable for so many reasons. While babies are not usually added to the list on the day of their birth, recent babies have been added to the list usually within two weeks of their birth. When Prince Louis of Cambridge was born, he was added twelve days later. Lucas Tindall – Mike and Zara’s third child, was added just days after his birth. I believe Eugenie’s son August was listed within two weeks of his birth as well. The point is that no other baby besides Lilibet Diana (the first mixed-race baby girl in the Windsor clan) has been NOT added to the line of succession within a few weeks at most.
Well, they just added her. Considering all of the conversation in recent days, I think they added her today, this morning. I’m looking at the list now (go here to see). Here’s the partial screencap with Lilibet’s name:
It seems clear to me that Buckingham Palace and the Men in Grey were being petty as hell, not to mention racist AF, and perhaps they weren’t expecting Lilibet’s absence to become a headline. Or maybe they meant for it to become a headline just to put Meghan, Harry and an innocent baby “in their place.” Can I also say? I feel like this issue didn’t really gain momentum until a handful of people/outlets (myself included) pointed out on Friday that Lili was seven weeks old and still not added to the line of succession. Suddenly, major British outlets were pointing out the same thing and hours later, ITV’s Chris Ship sniped at Buckingham Palace on the Royal Rota podcast: “You have got to ask what has taken them so long. All they have got to do is hit the paragraph button and put in a different number. They must have done it before. They did it for Archie. Clearly they did it for Louis when he was born. And they have done it for some of the other children like August that have been born as well.”
Anyway, as I said before – this says more about Buckingham Palace, the Queen, Prince Charles and their courtiers than it says about the Sussex family. The pettiness and racism from these salty douchebags can never be underestimated.
Photos courtesy of Backgrid.
good. Put her name up there where it belongs.
And yes, it was petty and racist and meant to punish H&M and meant to spur discussion about whether they were being removed from the line of succession etc (which is not really possible, but that doesnt stop the RRs does it? )when even Chris Ship is like “stop being so freaking petty” you know you have a problem.
Im surprised he went there to be honest. They must be really desperate for that picture of lili diana.
I’m not. It’s exhausting because these people are getting paid…and for what? The simplest things aren’t done. At least make a case for why your job should exist. Make a case for why taxpayer money is going toward your lifestyle. And they are failing spectacularly.
Chris Ship walks a fine line IMO and its one of the reasons I find him so frustrating, lol. I think he sees a lot of the BS at the palace for what it is and calls it out once in a great while, but I think he toes the party line (in this case the party being the palace and rota) for the most part even though he doesn’t always buy what he’s selling. I wish he called out the palace a lot more. So most of the time I ignore him and just roll my eyes at his comments but then once in a while he says something that I agree with.
@becks1- I feel the same frustration about Chris Ship. You get the feeling he knows a lot of the BS and could call it out more. Every now and then he does. But sometimes he says really asinine things about how dare Harry and Meghan and repeats a tabloid line and sounds like he def believes it. At the end of the day, I think he likes his job and has to protect the image of the monarchy.
I think Chris ship may be slightly more aware than the other RRs of how bad this hate campaign looks. I think he considers himself a serious journalist, but by carrying water for KPs racist hate campaign against Meghan, he has lost credibility like the rest of the RRs.
Any broadcaster or reporter who jumped on the Meghan hate bandwagon will only ever go do as being ‘racist’ because they supported a racially motivated hate campaign.
Ship knows KP do not give af about the reputations of these so called journalists. They will be left out to dry once they are of no use. He is probably well aware of how sh*t KP are, but will never do anything about it if he still wants to work for ITV. This smear campaign goes right to the top.
Nah, Chris Ship was just stating the obvious. Last week he was being snide about Harry and Meghan not starting their podcast yet. He’s not an honourable person and often than not toes the Palace’s line.
Chris Ship made the statement to be petty as well. He pretends to be honorable to hide all of the petty shit he says…..kind of like 10 petty comments to 1 fair comment.
He’s also known for altering H&M pics and pretending innocense/computer errors when called out
This was called out in DailynFail yesterday and it stayed up. Usually negative royal stories (except HM) disappear quickly. Story was also front page of NY Post
I’m not surprised Chris Ship called them out. These people are being paid a salary and aren’t doing their job. And we all know how websites work, so this isn’t a technical issue.
I guess someone told them that they look incompetent (again) and they got to it this morning.
Is incompetent a new way to spell racist? I say it was way more than incompetence that kept Miss Lili off that list, and countries around the world see it.
@Lady D, this is the the truth. I agree with the comments that lazy and incompetent are the BRF’s brand, However, racism supersedes all of that. People of color know that when they do or say something someone doesn’t like, or make a mistake, some non-POC lead with racism in their response. Sometimes it’s loud (see the abuse toward Marcus Rashford, Jadon Sancho, and Bukayo Saka), often times it’s more quiet (not adding a mixed-race baby to the line of succession on the website). Good news is people are starting to notice the more subtle ways some express their racism and call them out on it. So yes, The Firm is full of lazy employees in most situations, but sometimes they are racist, lazy (in that order) employees.
(@Lemons – this isn’t directed toward you, you typed a comment that is true! Just adding to it).
I said this before, but even if it were racism, they should have had their rota army create some clickbait articles about why Lili wasn’t on the page. Instead, it’s a racist team who are giggling to themselves about not adding a baby to a list they will never be concerned with themselves.
So even if they are racist, they are still TERRIBLE at their jobs. They didn’t fulfill the silent contract with the press and they also didn’t fulfill their employment contracts.
I would love to see the institution torn down because of more faux pas’s like this that make people question what exactly they are paying for or what scoop they are waiting for.
Ok, can someone please tell me why Lilibet is Miss Lilibet, and not Lady Lilibet or something like that?
Because they have no titles. Notice how archie is master archie and not earl?
Did the Palace deny them the use of “Lord” and “Lady?” Even Louise is Lady Louise and James is a Viscount. Were H&M denied that? Just one more time that the RF shows us who they are. shame on them for everything they have done.
It should be Lady as peerage rules state daughters of dukes are styled that way.
As Becks said, they are apparently choosing master/miss but who knows if that was their choice in reality.
It has nothing to do with the children not having titles.
In a normal situation, Archie and Lili would have been styled as children of a duke while waiting for their elevation to HRH, Archie having the title of earl.
Same as the reason Archie is Master and not Lord. No titles.
Because Harry and Meghan are opting* to have their children referred to as Master and Miss, not by their current titles – or styles I think is more accurate (which would be Lord and Lady, and then Prince/ss when Charles is king.)
*I say opting but after the Oprah interview we all have to wonder how much of that was their choice, to go by Master and not Lord.
I don’t think they are styled as the children of a Duke. Archie would be an Earl if they were. They are styled like their other private citizen cousins
It’s the parents’ choice at this stage. When the children reach 18 they can decide to use the titles applicable to them as children of a duke. This is why Prince Edward’s children have grown up with the titles of chidren of an earl instead of HRH Prince/Princess and why there is now some speculation about the decision Lady Louise might make once she reaches 18.
Lilibet’s older brother is referred to as “Master” so its probably some kind of protocol?
Master is the old-fashioned title for a male child. Miss applies to all unmarried females of any age.
Meghan and Harry decided not to use titles for their children. They could have styled Archie the Earl or Dumbarton, or even just Lord Archie. Lady is the only style for daughters of titled people. Master and Miss are the stylings for children whose parents elect not to use titles, and for children of landed gentry as well.
I could have sworn M said in the Oprah interview that they were not offered titles when Archie was born or asked her to do the baby photo call shoot. Maybe someone who actually watched the interview can further explain why Archie and Lilli don’t have titles now. I do know petty Charles wants to change the letters patent so that Archie and Lilli will not become HRH when he ascends to the throne.
I don’t believe they had a choice in the matter. The Palace put this out in the public that they didn’t want any titles.
@missysnow The palace, etc can’t decide what the kids are styled as under Harry’s title of Duke. Just the HRH and prince/princess and even that would’ve required a new letters patent as it only extended to the children of the eldest son of the Prince of Wales. That situation had never happened before (the three generations of heirs only occurred before the 1917 LP limiting the use to grandchildren of the monarch). So, until Charles becomes King, Harry’s children were only going to be styled under their eligibility as children of a Duke which would be an Earl for Archie (whatever that is) while Lilibet and any future children would be Lady/Lord (name). That’s in Harry and Meghan’s court so it would seem it was their decision. Maybe because of their age they don’t want that on them. The press and some members of the public already feel too entitled to the children (christening issue, photocall, photos) and that may just make it worse.
The children will become HRHs when he comes to the throne. The LPs have to be issued now by the queen to prevent that and if she’s dumping this in Charles’ lap to handle after she goes to the great jewelry vault in the sky, then he has to issue his own LP once he’s king to revoke their titles. Fun times ahead.
After what was revealed in the Oprah interview, I do not believe that Harry and Meghan were the ones who decided no titles. I firmly believe the racist courtiers leaked that false info ahead of time in order to corner the Sussexes and make sure that Archie wouldn’t be styled as Lord and Earl of Dumbarton.
As far as I know they (Archie) *could* use a secondary title, as Ianne said.
Prince Edward is the Earl of Wessex AND Viscount severn, but his child goes by viscount severn, even if he is not actually holding the title, but he allows it.
Harry and Meghan preferred not to style their children as nobility, and then a narrative was created to reinforce the pressure and hate to the public towards the DDoS.
Oh, petty Harry and Meghan reject the Scottish title! yeah, right. I don’t think Harry and Meghan are petty, the courtiers are, the RF machinery is. They already knew they were having to go, why put pressure on the children? The press already think they own them. Let them cry like banshees all they want.
Ennie, I’m not even convinced Harry and Meghan preferred not to style their children as nobility. That’s why I think the courtiers leaked the lie that the Sussexes didn’t want their kids to be titled. They did it while Meghan was pregnant as a way to back her and Harry into a corner. If Archie’s birth had been announced referring to him as a Lord, or if H&M had tried to correct things and have him referred to as such, then the rota rats would have riled people up with articles about the “hypocritical” Sussexes walking back their desire for no titles. The courtiers knew what they were doing.
Pettiness. Because while it’s true that she isn’t titled, her parents are, so they should be using “Lady” as a courtesy title. Instead they opted for Miss and put her in the same level as the grandchildren of Anne.
Archie will inherit Harry’s Dukedom regardless of what Charles will do. Charles at this point is in the running for WORST Grandfather of the year with Crazy Tom Markle
I love these pics you chose. I haven’t seen those preg shots and they’re lovely. Megs jackets are fabulous. I understand how protective she was physically (bump cradle) when preg with Archie with all she went through.
All these idiots are gross.
They actually had to be shamed into it.🙁😒😕😟😬
Lili’s existence was a blow to any hopes of Harry returning to the Royal Family. I believe that there was a lot of anger at the news of Meghan’s pregnancy and Lili’s birth. The Palace was being petty in being slow to add her name to the line of succession and only acted because people were starting to notice the omission.
I hope they have a 3rd just to piss them off, even though they said they were stopping at 2. Little happy “surprises” will happen and all.
The men in grey cleaned this up because the press was starting to pick this up and probably fear the US legitimate media wil run this . Taking the family feud out on a 2 month old is a bad look.
The fact that it was so quickly added after a few media outlets brought it up says it all. It literally takes no time at all to add and they purposely dragged it. Very much not a racist family my ass. No systemic racism in Britain GTFOH.
And now its funny bc anti-Sussex people on twitter are MAD that the royal family “caved” and listed Lili.
Um, she’s 8th in the line of succession. Yes, her name should have been on the website, but it didn’t alter her place in the line of succession.
My goodness so they wanted them to not cave, which means not listing her at all. Obv, she is in the line and this is just the website list, but these anti- peeps are just making the case for racism. I mean I’d be embarrassed if my fans were doing this.
I don’t think they would have added her for a while if people hadn’t noticed. Since people did and were asking questions, they added her.
I can’t believe I’m saying this but I actually agree with Chris Ship in this instance. Aside from laziness and incompetence, it doesn’t take much to press enter, type a name and change everyone’s numbers below it
Laziness and incompetence are the palace brand.
According to their website, Meghan and Harry still only have one child.
And yet *their* website isn’t the one representing and clarifying a centuries-old system of hierarchy of a head of state dictated by Parliament itself, it’s merely the website of their personal foundation which they can update as they please, so your point is moot.
Which raises the question if it was Meghan and Harry, who did not forward the birth certificate or whatever they needed to do until now.
It doesn’t raise that question at all, lol.
Can I ask a stupid question please? Why are Harry and Meghan children not Sussex like the Cambridge ones are or like andrews ones are Yorks?
They will be when Charles becomes king and they becomes HRHs (proviso being they’re actually called that and not like James and Louise who aren’t ‘of Wessex) and they become grandchildren of a monarch. When prince/princess is used it’s followed by ‘of (insert title here)’. For now, as the children of a Duke, albeit a royal one, they bear the last name Mountbatten Windsor.
Okay, I see , so this just means a lot of paperwork to change all their official documents. Probably best to remain Mountbatten – windsors
It doesn’t HAVE to be Mountbatten Windsor though, it could be straight Windsor as Harry Used to be. At least that’s my understanding. the double was a choice
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@Calibration, Prince Harry went by the informal name, Harry Wales, in school and in the army. AFAIK, he never used ‘Harry Windsor,’ unless for some reason in an unofficial capacity, he shortened his actual legal surname which IS ‘Mountbatten-Windsor.’ And that’s why his kids are named that way. ‘Sussex,’ is a title bestowed upon him by the Queen when he married. Typically, royals are known by and called by their first names with title, i.e., Prince Harry, or by their major title, if they have one, i.e., The Duke of Sussex. All of this is rather extra and stuffily antiquated, but that’s fakakta royalty and their self-important traditions.
I’m sure Harry wants to be treated with the respect he’s due as a blood born prince, especially when he was working as a senior royal, and making many personal sacrifices in that ‘gilded cage’ role. So when he felt the brunt of his family’s disrespect for Meghan and Archie, and their lack of loyalty and support for his personal choices, it surely stung. By this point, in regard to the firm’s snobbery, ill-treatment and nonsense surrounding royal titles, M&H likely DGAF.
In any case, Harry discussed while growing up feeling the burdens associated with being a prince and being called ‘prince.’ He didn’t become comfortable with his title of prince, until he began to realize the platform it offered him to help others in need (e.g., founding Sentebale with Prince Seeiso).
In informal situations, he is known to often tell people to simply call him ‘Harry.’ He knows the titles don’t make the man, or the woman.
Because The Queen made a special exception to the rule for the Cambridge children. She didn’t extend it to Harry’s children. In the Oprah interview Meghan states they never offered a title for Archie and in fact Charles wants to change the rules when he becomes King so that Archie NEVER becomes a prince.
Sorry, I don’t mean why they have no titles, I meant why can’t they be called Archie Sussex and Lili Sussex, like willam children are Cambridges and Andrew children are York’s, I understand the title part. It’s the last name I was asking about
I believe the house name of Sussex would be used when they become prince/princess so they’re currently using the family name for now. W&K’s children were HRH at birth so they immediately assumed the house name of Cambridge, there was never the Mountbatten Windsor name for them. But with the situation all up in the air at this point, it’s anyone’s guess what they’ll continue to be called in the future.
Sorry @Over it…yes @Feeshalori, thank you for the correction.
Little Lilibet precedes Andrew in the order of succession, hah! No amount of fake medals or chest-puffing will change that!
They all need to worry more about getting that trafficer off the list more than adding a brown baby to it. As it is, Archie and Lili are doing the most work to clean that list up.
They took their time because adding another black Person is painful for them.you must all be patient. Blackness in any form is offensive to the colonist in them . I mean first Harry goes and marries a half black woman and then they have the audacity to have a child , that was hard enough. One they could kind of tolerate because he was never going to get a title so they were hoping to be able to sweep him under the carpet. Then that evil woman Meghan had to go get herself pregnant again, how dare she have sex with her husband. And then they have the nerve to name her the queen precious nick name . Now people actually expect them to add that child of color too? Will this contamination of our pure blood line never stop? These people make me sick.
@Over it…..100% your comment is everything!
@Over it – ALL THIS.
@Over it, 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 💯
There are two other mixed race children in the line of succession, the son and daughter of Lady Davina Lewis from her marriage to Gary Lewis who is a full-blood Maori, but they are much lower down the line and attract no publicity.
and who exactly are the palace and the courtiers trying to ‘teach a lesson’ with stupid stunts like this? they don’t even pretend to be competent or to be not racist anymore.
i don’t think i’ve ever seen an institution so hellbent on its own downfall like the british monarchy.
So after multiple outlets ran it, then the main media in Britain picked up on it…so after they were shamed into it…🙄
Thank you, Kaiser! No question your article on Friday added fuel to the fire under the Palace’s proverbial butt to officially add little Miss Lilibet Diana to the Line of Succession, where of course, she belongs. (Can’t wait to see her pic! We know she is going to be so adorable!!)
The buck house crew keeps showing us who they are.
Believe them.
The mugxits are so enraged that now they’re turning on ol’ Betty over this, as if Illiberal Diana wasn’t in line for the throne until it was put on paper. LOL, they’re calling her a traitor to the country and demanding she step down. We love to see it.
Reminds me of the old saying: Lie down with dogs, wake up with fleas. The RF climbed into the basket of deplorables (to borrow Hillary’s term for that societal element in the US), and now they’re reaping the consequences.
It is so cool that a little girl born in California to an American mother is in the line of succession.
If you look at the list of 100 in line of succession it includes two children who are half Maori, Senna Kowhai Lewis and Tane Mahuta Lewis, and once you get to the Lascelles family there is Tewa Lascelles who is a US citizen born in Edgewood New Mexico. Eventually, the succession moves to the King of Norway and his heirs followed by the former Romanian royal family and the Yugoslavian ex-royals.
This is a shot across the bow to Charles. You think you’ll have a problem having Camilla being recognized as queen look at the maelstrom you’ll face if you change the George V Letters Patent when he ascends. Not elevating Archie and Lili to Prince and Princess is not a great way to start your reign Chuck.
He would be actively demoting them, which is worse.
Some people are wicked mad that little Lilibet is officially on the succession list, to the point of hating on the Queen. It’s both funny and pathetic how emotionally invested they are in seeing the Sussexes snubbed or slighted, then lose it completely when they still get acknowledged as part of the royal family, no matter how begrudgingly. I really think the only reason Lilibet was added was because the royal press started to bring it up and it was getting talked about, abd it was making the royals once again look petty and racist. Of course, Lilibet and Archie are more likely to be POTUS or land on Mars than they have of sitting on the UK throne, so the haters need to chill and leave the succession to the role it has, which is just part of the royal bureaucracy.