The only thing anyone can say for sure is that one week before Prince Harry and Meghan’s wedding in 2018, Meghan and the Duchess of Cambridge were both at a bridesmaid’s dress fitting and that there was some kind of incident between the two women. This incident has been one of the central smears in the years-long campaign against Meghan. It was one of the first questions Oprah asked Meghan in the interview this year, and Meghan said firmly that she was the one who cried, that Kate said something to her to hurt her feelings, and that Kate apologized by bringing a note and flowers to her in the days after the incident. Meghan was explicitly denying the Cambridges’ ever-shifting narrative that Meghan “made Kate cry.” Sources claimed that Kate cried over the bridesmaids’ dresses, the hem of said dresses, whether the children would wear tights, and now we have a new “reason” for Kate’s white tears. According to a close friend of the Duchess of Cornwall (of all people), Kate cried after she went berserk on Meghan because… Meghan “bullied staff.” This is really not the most pro-Kate version?
The Duchess of Cambridge was left in tears after confronting Meghan Markle just days before the royal wedding over claims she had bullied staff, Kirstie Allsopp has claimed. Kate Middleton, 39, was said to have been left in tears after she ‘lost control’ during a row with her future sister-in-law, which stemmed over claims Meghan had been rude to Palace staff, television presenter Ms Allsopp told The Telegraph.
Ms Allsopp has now said Kate was the one who cried, and claimed the argument was over allegations that Meghan was rude to Kensington Palace staff. Ms Allsopp, who is a family friend of Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall, told The Telegraph: ‘Kate never ever loses her temper, but she found out Meghan was being rude to staff at Kensington Palace and she was angry with her. Then, Kate burst into tears because she’d lost control and she did take Meghan flowers to try and patch things up.’
Camilla was a childhood friend of the Location, Location, Location presenter’s late mother Lady Fiona Hindlip, and is the godmother to her brother Henry. MailOnline has contacted Meghan’s representatives for comment.
The infamous row between Kate and Meghan was first reported in 2018, when it was said the Duchess of Cambridge ended up crying after a fitting for Princess Charlotte’s bridesmaid dress. At the time, an insider had claimed: ‘Kate had only just given birth to Prince Louis and was feeling quite emotional.’
But Meghan hit back at the claims when speaking to Oprah earlier this year, claiming she was the one who ended up in tears – not Kate. The Duchess of Sussex said: ‘No, no. The reverse happened. And I don’t say that to be disparaging to anyone, because it was a really hard week of the wedding. And she was upset about something, but she owned it, and she apologised. And she brought me flowers and a note, apologising. And she did what I would do if I knew that I hurt someone, right, to just take accountability for it.’
But Ms Allsopp has now claimed that the dispute came after allegations that Meghan had bullied Palace staff. In 2018, Buckingham Palace launched a review into claims that Meghan had inflicted ’emotional cruelty’ on underlings and ‘drove them out’.
Buckingham Palace didn’t “launch a review” in 2018. They launched the review this year, 2021, just before the Oprah interview aired. The review was launched at Kensington Palace’s orchestration, because Jason Knauf leaked his own correspondence to the Times, correspondence in which he claimed that Meghan bullied staffers, and that staffers were often left weeping because Meghan looked at them. BP initially authorized a review done in-house, but after a few months, they hired a law firm to conduct the review and by all accounts, Meghan is eager to show the third-party investigators her own records and correspondence from that time. The actual “review” is reportedly not even close to being concluded, which should tell you a lot. It should tell you that what the third-party investigators are turning up is actually bad for Kensington Palace, and BP is trying to figure out some way to bury all of this.
As for the story… again, it doesn’t make Kate look good. At best, it makes her look like someone who heard some office gossip about how people didn’t like American Meg and Kate decided to insert herself into the situation and she went batsh-t and… Kate bullied Meghan until she cried. Kate being positioned as someone who “loses control” was not on my bingo card – next they’ll say that Kate was incandescent with rage. In any case, this is all they have. This is Kensington Palace being butthurt that all of their schemes with Jason Knauf didn’t pay off and Meghan was still victorious in her lawsuit against the Mail. All KP is doing is trotting out the same old story with a twist. Once again, it’s been more than three years of this: surely at some point, someone will think to come up with some concrete story or claim about something specific Meghan did to someone?
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I wonder if this is a concerted effort to represent Kate badly in the upcoming separation/divorce? PWT will most likely stop at nothing to extricate himself from the Middletons’ clutches. Painting her as the ultimate Incandescent Mean Girl Karen is not a good look for her.
it’s exactly this, imo.
I’m not sure it is. KIrsty is Camilla’s friend. Why would Camilla help Alopecia?
I think that the Fail is also pushing a quiet anti Camilla agenda.
Alopecia for the win!
@AN that was my first thought as well. This is not to help Kate, this is to start the unhinged stories about Kate.
You pulled the thoughts right out of my brain. Willy is throwing everyone under the bus. Side note, I still can’t believe she wore off-white to the wedding. Kate is a snake.
I feel the same way. This is the start of the finish of the Meghan’s smearing, and the start of the start of the unhinged stories about Kate. They need to find another lead to replace the cash cow that was Meghan to them.
If you go in reading it without being biased it’s meant to read as Kate stuck up for staff and lost her temper at the bully to protect them. Like she cares about them.
Of course that falls apart with anyone that follows the details. I don’t think this was a swipe at Kate. Just an attempt at Meg.
The most interesting thing is that the palaces cannot at all refute Meghan’s evidence. They had to corroborate that Keen did indeed give an apology note and flowers because Meghan was telling the truth. They just keep embellishing and adding junk to the cause of the tears because Meghan can’t prove that Kate didn’t also cry. And I do remember an insanely inane report a long time ago that Kate had snapped at Meghan, “They’re my staff, I speak to them” which instead of being the classist authoritarian remark that it was, is probably now being reinvented as Kate standing up for her bullied staff.
Long story short, Kate did something that she HAD to apologize for. If I was standing up to a bully and righteous in every sense, you bet the last thing I would do is to apologize and send flowers. Sorry Keen, you’re just plain mean.
Yes, what you two said. The palace knows Meghan can prove Kate made her cry and apologized for it later, so they need to invent a cover story that justifies what Kate did (“IF Kate made Meghan cry, and we’re not saying she did, but it was only because Meghan BULLIED staff and kind-hearted Kate was trying to protect them!”). And to make it look like they didn’t lie earlier (which they totally did), they are sticking with the scenario where Kate ALSO cried.
I completely agree with the three of you. Any time KP wants to slap Meghan down, they invent another facet of this utter lie of a story. They aren’t smart enough to figure out that it is just making Kate look worse.
I tried to read the original Telegraph story but it’s behind a subscriber thing. If this is the story Kirstie is peddling then I believe it as much as I believed Nicki Minaj’s vaccine swoleballs story. Not at all. The story seems to want to imply that CPB is the source because she was Kirstie’s Mom’s friend. Kirstie is a friend/colleague of Camilla Tominey. Who reported the original flower girl dress story-Kate crying. Camilla T., who on the show with Schofield after the Oprah interview, was pretty defensive regarding her sources. Then bleated out ‘maybe they both cried when challenged further. It seems like Camilla T. got someone to to put out a different story to cover her lying @ss about KP/Carole/Kate briefings. If the Telegraph story is the same as the DM’s and from what I could see, Camilla T. tweeted something about it being a good interview, then she’s supporting a different story from the original one she wrote for her own lying reasons.imo
If Kirstie really knew anything about this, why didn’t she tweet about it after the interview like she did about the Archie titles stuff? That came up in a search. Kirstie also tweeted about Kate’s ‘quiet dignity’ re: her Sara Everhard fiasco. Blech.
As Kaiser said, the DM is messing with the timelines – again. Kate made Meghan cry because Kate said something nasty. Kate’s the bully, not Madame Duchess. Kate probably thought that Charlotte should have been differentiated with her dress to exceptionalize her from the other flower girls that are not in line to the throne. The only staff Kate would care about is Jason. She wouldn’t worry about such things when Will’s wandering peen while she was pregnant with Louis was happening.
Kate isn’t to be brought into ‘idle gossip’, unless it suits her.
@WigletWatcher
I agree with you – I don’t see this as a smear towards Kate or throwing her under the bus at all. It says that she “never, ever loses her temper” but she did this one time sticking up for staff because she was hormonal. Kate, who is known for acting way too grand towards staff threw down over reports Meghan was bullying staff?! It’s such bullshit. It would be funny if it weren’t for so many people believing it.
Also, so this is the cornerstone of a free press that everyone has been yammering about?! They can’t even get their facts straight and/or are just straight up lying about when the investigation started. I’m leaning more towards straight up lying because if the investigating started in 2018 instead of in 2021 right before the Oprah interview, it looks a lot worse towards Meghan. I wish everybody had followed this saga as closely as we have so that everyone and their mother actually knew how much of what is reported by the British media is actually total horseshit.
Ugh, it makes me sick how they accomplished trashing this woman’s reputation (for the part of the population that actually believes the stories or even just “don’t like Meghan, but can’t name a reason why” like some commenters have mentioned their sister/friends feel). All because she is hard-working, charismatic, beautiful, intelligent, and oh yeah, black.
I wonder if the royalists and Kate fans will ever believe that she was the real bully. They’ll probably try to make excuses for her.
Every time this is brought up, I get angrier that the reaction to Kate (allegedly) crying is this whole fcking three-year + ordeal — “OMG, something really horrible must have happened to drive Kate to tears! It’s absolutely unacceptable that Kate was made to feel this way! We must get to the bottom of it and avenge Kate!!”
Yet at the end of the tour when Meghan was talking to Tom Bradby and she came close to tears because of how overwhelmingly awful everything had been for her for so long, the same people rolled their eyes and claimed, “Please, she’s an ACTRESS, this is all a *pErFoRmAnCe* 🙄”
Regardless of the circumstances, whether Meghan is being portrayed as the “aggressor” or the victim, HER feelings are dismissed. Because…she couldn’t possibly be feeling vulnerable or expressing real emotion? Her feelings are never given the same weight as Kate’s. It’s disgusting.
Wait wait wait. Upcoming divorce/separation? Is there actual tea on the Duke & Duchess of Keen, or just wishful thinking? (Underrated song, btw.)
Nothing that I know of, but I have no doubt that TOB will dump Kate the minute he finds a side piece that wants to marry him. He is so over Kate he can’t even fake polite interest in public. He’s just waiting for a jump off to give him an excuse. I do believe they live separate lives but just aren’t admitting it.
I can’t WAIT for the Lamebridge’s divorce. If the Brit Media wants BIG for years to come, this is it. They should do a flip and push for it.
What divorce? She will never, ever leave but will continue to be a Stepford wife/doormat.
They will never leave Meghan alone.
We’ll still be getting new versions of this story when Lili graduates from college.
I hope college in a secure location. The royals are not well people. I can’t fathom what M&H were feeling surrounded by this crazy gaslighting every damn day
Liz – I’m guessing schools like Ivies, Stanford, and the OxBridge campuses are probably no stranger to having students with security detail. St. Andrews did a decent job of protecting Wills, but I’m guessing that won’t be Lili’s first choice school.
@India They wont leave her alone. Ever. The real story should have been on why did Kate stuck her nose in someone else’s wedding plans and thought is was ok to do so.
KP still doesn’t get that, no matter how they change this story, it makes Kate look unprofessional, bullying and racist. And Allsopp’s intervention only confirms that Camilla was part of the smear campaign and gaslighting of Meghan.
Kate never ever ever looks good from this story, not then and not now. And I’ve never understood why her side leaked this in the first place, even before Meghan told her side I thought this was a weird flex for KP. Unless, ‘making’ someone cry is really verboten in white culture? Do white women get in trouble for ‘making’ other white women cry? Black women and girls (not sure if other WOC experience it too) have lost whole careers or been suspended from school because they “made” white women and girls cry. It sounds wild to say, but it’s a very real thing, ask any group of black women who grew up in or work in majority-white setting or where white peoples have the most power. I just don’t get why the mere presence of certain people’s tears matter more than the harm they caused to someone else. And who teaches them to weaponize their tears? Is it explicitly or implicitly taught? I would read a (brief) report on this lol
I grew up in a white environment, so maybe I can offer an insight, even as a black woman (I’ll bet all WOC have the same insight, so I’m not passing myself off as some sage. I have just been able to observe white women in their natural habitats).
They are assured of their role in society. In exchange for submitting to some (or all) of the patriarchy, they were placed on pedestals. The patriarchy existed to protect them, that’s what they were explicitly told in the US pre and post civil war. In exchange, they had power in their own homes over any domestics of color, or even over lower class whites, like the Irish maids in the north. That pedestal is directly implied in popular culture, where whiteness was elevated as the most beautiful and aspirational. Even though these women had no power outside of their homes, whatever power they had inside their homes was supposed to compensate–and they could take out their powerlessness on anyone lower than them (even without servants, they could exercise their power at PTA meetings, in housewife organizations, etc). The tears are a way to produce a trigger response from their white male protectors. White women cry, white men galvanize to protect them against bad POCs, white woman’s power remains intact. That power is more important than any commonalities that white women may share with WOC, commonalities that could be used to fight the patriarchy that harms everyone. It’s why WOC are so wary of white women in discussions about feminism, where white women center themselves, and use WOC as aupporting actors in their own dramas, or ignore our concerns completely. We’ve even seen white women owned business initiatives be just as toxic and as racist as businesses run by white men. I’m teaching 1984 right now, so I’ve been discussing the dynamics of power with high school students. People pursue power for its own sake, not to better society.
I’m actually shocked that the Kate/Meghan story plays into this trope so perfectly. If I had written a script with a story that played out exactly like it did in the media, I would likely be told I was being “too obvious with character positioning”. In the Us, at least, a story would be expected, in 2021, to be more nuanced. But the Kate story gets even more and more cliche the more details we learn. No, she cried about tights! No, she cried about hem length! No, she cried about shoes/bullying staff/etc (and Meghan HAD REASON TO BE STRESSED WITH BAD DAD). The truth is, Yes, Kate cried because she knew, intuitively if not specifically, that “she could get one over on that biracial bitch.” You could even see it in her smirk at the wedding. The same smirk that the women who weaponize their tears get when patriarchy’s riding to their rescue.
There’s a Tiktok that shows white women making themselves cry on demand. It’s a learned skill. I happened to learn it too because I saw it deployed all around me growning up, and I know how to use it the same way if I needed to. It’s just a matter of bringing on the waterworks, raising the register of my voice, looking helpless. That shit works. It’s a performance.
lanne – THIS.
Not from my experience. I’ve cried at work ( can remember once at least) but never known how to weaponize that against a person or the company. I remember at one job this other white girl who I had a mutual friend with was crying on her cel phone in a common area and I didn’t stop to touch her shoulder or anything (she was on a call and I hardly knew her so I had no idea I was wrong) and she tried to spin that as there’s something wrong with me because she had just heard terrible news on her phone call. She tried to weaponize me not approaching her when she was crying… not to contradict Black women’s experiences as I have no idea, but my impression is if I cry I would be seen as the only unprofessional one unless the other woman is clearly in the wrong (touching me, threatening me or using profanity for example.)
@Ianne — Great analysis of the dynamics of power behind WWT:
“They are assured of their role in society. In exchange for submitting to some (or all) of the patriarchy, they were placed on pedestals. The patriarchy existed to protect them, that’s what they were explicitly told in the US pre and post civil war. In exchange, they had power in their own homes over any domestics of color, or even over lower class whites, like the Irish maids in the north.“
Your thesis is further supported by those Irish maids being considered ‘non-white’ https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/305686.How_the_Irish_Became_White
I think Lanne pretty much hits the nail on the head, but I will say that it’s not necessarily something that is actively taught. It’s just something white women (speaking as a white woman) sort of pick up from society and is ingrained in us.
I consider myself pretty aware of my role in the patriarchy as a white woman (meaning that I agree with what Lanne says about how white women submit to the patriarchy bc they also benefit from it, and that’s the deal basically) at this point in time, I don’t think I’ve ever weaponized my tears (unless its against my brothers when I was growing up) but it’s still something that growing up I guess I always knew I could do. I don’t know. It’s certainly something that I think about and consider now but I don’t know that I always did.
For Kate – 100% she knew what she was doing when she put out the false story about Meghan making her cry.
@kviby – to me, when people talk about “weaponizing white tears” or the like its not always literal tears; in society in general and most workplaces white women are in a position of power over black women and that can be weaponized in a variety of ways.
Really glad you’re a teacher, lanne.
@becks, if it means anything to you, I thought you were a black woman. I always love reading your insights. It’s always affirming to me to know that there are white women out there who are true allies.
I’m a white woman, and I would agree white women tears work in the service of the white supremacist patriarchy, but pretty much only in that context. White women don’t have power as women, only as upholders of the white (male) power structure. It wouldn’t work so well (or probably at all) if an ordinary white woman was in tears over a powerful white man’s actions or crimes against her. So a white privileged woman’s supposed tears work against Meghan for the racist media, but it is not the same for a white woman like Virginia Giuffre who is up against a powerful white man in Andrew. (Although thankfully there is finally significant movement on Virginia Giuffre’s case.)
When I was in tears about sexual harassment at work or the toxic hostile environment (it was awful), I was mocked and called crazy or just ignored by the white men in charge.
Idk if I am missing something, but that’s my experience.
Thanks Becks, that’s helpful insight.
@Commonwealthy sounded witty at first other Woc experience this too like Indians, middle eastern basically brown people, especially in the work environments the white women in a higher position, can weaponize this against their subordinates who are Woc but never against other white people or white women who are in the higher up if makes sense
@Emma – right, because thats how the power structure works. We can use our white woman tears to raise people to our defense – but only against someone weaker than us or below us in the caste system. No one cares if your white male boss made you cry. But your black woman boss made you cry? Whole different ballgame, and that absolutely has to do with the white supremacist patriarchy and our role in it compared to the role of black women. If you read Lanne’s post she specifically talks about how white women didn’t have a lot of power in society in general, but we did have power in very specific areas, and I would say that bc we did not have a lot of power in other areas, we made up for it, so to speak, in those specific areas.
and @Lanne lol thank you. I try to be an ally and to constantly work on learning more and doing better. I will say the book Hood Feminism that a commenter here recommended to me (bluesky) was eye-opening for me.
At the top of the hierarchy is white men. Because everyone is below them, they need to jockey for position, and feeling like someone else is beneath *them* makes them feel better about their own positions. It’s not just women who want to feel like there are demographics beneath them. It could also be economic. Ever wonder why poor whites support republicans when the republicans want to cut their safety nets like public schooling, health care, and holding corporations responsible? It’s because republicans ALSO discriminate against non-whites to an insane degree. And poor whites feel placated that there are always other groups, whom they hate, who are kept down by the republicans *even more. * They will never support a party that wants to lift people up, because the “wrong” people may be lifted above them. And it’s why insecure males bully people on the internet — they need to feel that a gay man, or that woman, or that person of color, is put down and insulted and kept in their place at the bottom of the ladder. But circling back to Kate, yes, white women do want to feel that *someone else* is beneath them. And I think *especially* a woman like Kate who is not respected and has little power in her own marriage, will feel a need to keep someone like Meghan down. How DARE Meghan have a loving husband, successful career, incredible fashion sense, professional and well-spoken demeanor, and admiration from the public? If Kate cries, it will generate sympathy for her from other whites (including those is power above her, the white men).
Becks1
Is it really ingrained though? As I never cried for an emotional slight and I don’t think crying after being beaten up by my father counts for that purpose….
My mum was the same, she never ever cried in public or even acknowledged she had cried publicly so I would tend to believe that is something taught rather than ingrained. I never saw any of my grandmothers crying either.
I’ve seen many women weaponising tears over the years but never done that myself, to be honest I don’t think I ever cried in public in all my life (btw I’m white too but from southern Europe).
Lanne, excellent comment!! 👏👏
And it’s not just tears that are weaponized. In my 1st real job out of college, I was hired to do accounts payable and a WOC was accounts receivable. (Though my bachelor’s degree is in anthropology, with a focus on cultural anthropology, circumstances changed my plans to go on for a master’s degree and I was forced to get a job. Any job. But I feel like my degree actually helped me see things that were happening to this woman of color, who I will call AR, as well as the fact that I was new to the corporate world and just discovering the power dynamics.) Our direct manager was a mousy and submissive white woman, and then our boss was an extremely powerful and scary white woman.
Anyhow. AR didn’t have a car of her own, so she was forced to take the bus every day after making sure her children were taken to school safely. I drove my own car. When she was late, there was always some sort of reprimand or comment made, while I would just be told to make up the time after 5pm if I was late due to oversleeping or traffic. She wasn’t able to stay after 5:00 p.m. because she had to pick up her children from care. And she had to catch the bus right on time, which meant that she actually had to leave a little bit early to reach the bus stop. I drove her to the bus stop many times, when I could, when I knew she was running late, and I also drove her home several times. I was always given much more leeway and options when I was late or I screwed up, options that were never given to her that I could see. It was extremely jarring to watch it happen, watch her constantly get written up, for the same exact things that I was doing. What was even worse, was even though AR had worked there for several years before I ever arrived, my mousy manager instantly started clinging to me and asking me (ME! What the hell did I know about the corporate world after just having gotten out of college with a degree in anthropology?) for advice on how to discipline AR! I tried my best to advocate for her, I tried to ask her opinion during meetings so she can have a voice because I noticed that questions were never directed at her unless they were accusatory or questioning her knowledge. I even tried, from my first generation American white woman perspective, to explain to the mousy manager that AR had very different circumstances to mine and the manager’s, and that perhaps there was some sort of compromise or adjustments that could be made to make it easier for AR. Ultimately though, she was let go. I believe they used her lateness to work in the morning and leaving earlier than 5:00 p.m. against her and fired her.
I, by no means, I’m trying to make this a white savior thing. I’m only saying this because it was my first real world experience with something like this. I had fresh eyes at the time and studying cultural anthropology opened my mind toward respecting other people and their culture and their circumstances. I would have done the same for any of my coworkers, but I felt that what happened to AR was so egregious that it was worth the share. I still think about it to this day, and think about what more I could have done to help her. (When I realized that they were planning on letting her go, I did my best to let her know and even tried to help her find another job, because she was also extremely unhappy. I truly do hope that she found happiness in her life.)
Cat Lady I can see how haunting that injustice was. You tried even though you were young and inexperienced. This doesn’t sound at all like white saviour to me.
@AlpineWitch – it absolutely could be cultural and could be something that is more unique to the US/UK, or it could be something that you just haven’t really processed and thought about, either, you know? Again, “weaponizing tears” doesn’t always mean literally that. I don’t cry in public either and my mother certainly never has, at least not around me. It’s more about the idea of a white woman being able to make herself the victim at the expense of someone else and knowing that by doing so, she makes things worse for someone else. And I do think for many many of us that could be very subconscious.
@MrsK – yes, excellent point. It’s why people asked the wrong question in 2016 after Trump, when so many reporters etc were like, “why are these people voting against their interests?!?!?!” they were missing the point. They weren’t voting against their own interests. They were voting against their economic interests. They were voting FOR their racial interests and for their place in the hierarchy to be secure. That’s what Trump promised them that was so irresistible. They decided that their racial interests trumped, if you will lol, their economic interests. They were absolutely voting for their own interests.
Thanks Ianne, that all adds up.
And yes, I saw that TikTok and it freaked me out! I even blocked it from my mind otherwise would have referred to it too. Shudder.
@Kviby, that’s just wild. What?? Sometimes I wonder if I’m too sheltered. Or if we walk amongst mad people and don’t know it (obviously we do walk amongst mad people).
Know when to fold’em, KP.
👑__________never!!!!!
In all seriousness, this is the ongoing throw everything in the smear wall to see what sticks. But I am surprised that a friend of Camilla would claim that is was Kate that “lost control”. Me thinks someone is not liked as much as she would like to pretend!!
A lot of underhand trickery is going on. The only person the Fail has not turned on yet is William, and we know why…..The royals are really in big trouble.
The problem is, they can’t fold ’em and risk Baldemort’s “Incandescence of Rage”
I’m starting to think that whatever went down before the wedding and the bridesmaid’s fitting is just— normal shit. As someone who spent the week before her wedding publicly dealing with an increasingly insane, shitty father Meghan, who as far as we know is professional, corteous,
expects hard work and is driven, may have been extremely tense and prone to being short – temepered and Kate, newly postpartum and hormonal may have snapped and lost in for whatever reason (length of dresses, tights or no tights, alleged staff bullying). I mean, it’s been three and a half years already. Let it go.
I think this is what many of us had assumed happened – when the initial story was about Kate crying, many of us (including me) kind of shrugged and figured IF it was true, it was a combination of pre-wedding stress on Meghan’s part and post-partum emotions/hormones on Kate’s part. I cried at the drop of a hat after giving birth.
Then even when Meghan corrected it, she still seemed to be chalking a lot of it up to other factors – Kate “going through some things,” and the stress with her father etc. the fact that the lie was told was problematic and racist but the actual incident seemed easy enough to explain given the overall circumstances.
but then why keep bringing it up? why are we hearing this story now? It was almost 3.5 years ago. Why does this story keep getting trotted out like this? It was in the Tatler article and was NOT corrected/removed, etc.
My theory: it’s being brought up again to shift the story towards Kate, not Meg. I suspect that someone has realized that the bullying claims don’t work. I think the story will shift from “Kate told off Meg for bullying” to “Kate is the bully” who made Meg cry, smeared her in the press, and drove her and Harry away.
They’re bringing it up to throw Kate under the bus. It’s no coincidence this is coming on the heels of that noticeable eyeroll and “What. Else.” moment with the kids. Someone *cough* Willyboy *cough* is taking advantage. You in danger, Kate.
It is brought up over and over because weaponizing a white woman’s tears/victim hood is one of the most effective ways of demonizing/dehumanizing a woman of color. This is why they are now attaching the story to the bullying allegations. Jenny Afia’s appearance in doc makes it clear that Meghan is prepared to fully confront/counter these allegations and that has them scared. So they’re continuing with their strategy of attacking Meghan’s reputation publicly while the can. So they are leaning into the racist trope.
They’re bringing it up as others have said because white women’s tears are weapons to use against Meghan.
But the fact that this story and ONLY this one has been brought up over and over in relation to Kate tells me that this is the only thing they remotely have to use in this way.
I hope you’re right @Rapunzel. There are other items out today about Kate being “suspicious” of Meghan at the beginning, because Kate keeps her circle of friends so tight. Yeah whatever. If this is the beginning of Kate being thrown under the bus I say bring it on.
They’re bringing it up again because William was incandescent with rage when H&M confirmed in the Oprah interview that the Palace was deliberately briefing the press against H&M about that Meghan made Kate cry over that famous “girls fight” before the wedding and then Meghan claiming it wasn’t true and that it was the other way around. They’re bringing it up again because Meghan’s lawyer Jenny Afia defended her publicly in the BBC program to deny Meghan was not a bully and never ever bullied anyone.
And then Kate ran to the tabloids with the white tears narrative to destroy Meghan.
Please stop with the excuses for “Karen” of Cambridge. We don’t have to both sides this narrative because racism won’t allow white women to be held accountable for their evil actions.
Thank you @Haylie! It’s been 3 years since this story was first published, Meghan already admitted Kate was the one who “went after her” and made her cry, so I really think people should stop with this “Kate was hormonal and postpartum” line as a way to subtly excuse her actions.
Right @ Haylie. It’s not a coincidence that the crying story, tiaragate and Toubatti “quitting” all came out in Nov. 2018 after the Sussexes successful Oceania tour.
Meghan said in the O interview that everyone in the institution/Firm knew the real story. She also said different people went to the Comms team (aka Knauf) to have the story corrected. They wouldn’t do it. Obviously, because he/W&K/Carole put that story out in the first place. Kirstie saying anything now just shows the extremes they will go to lie about Meghan.
Thank you Haylie! None of us would know about this story if the Top CEO hadn’t been flapping her gums to that horrible Tominey person. There is no “both sides” here.
Or Meghan wasn’t short at all. There’s no evidence that she bullied any staff or was rude to them before the wedding or even short with them. But KP would like you to think so.
How about Meghan did not nothing at all to deserve the way Kate treated her. Kate was way out of line to the point that she even apologized, which is something she probably doesn’t do often. I do not believe anything about this story that comes from KP, especially anything about Meghan. So no, she wasn’t short or rude before the wedding. F*ck that noise.
@ Jais, I agree with you! As much turmoil that Meghan was experiencing the week running up to her weeding and especially the few days beforehand, Meghan never would have been going off on Kween because she doesn’t know or trust her. How much time had they spent together, several hours in group settings. That would not give anyone enough time to know someone.
Now Kween, I could see her going off on Meghan! I could see her losing her anger and going off on her. Kween is a mean girl through and through!! You will never convince me that her dress at Harry and Meghans wedding was NOT a dig at Meghan as well!!
Nice try KP, so this story is a non starter, please move on!! Meghan never bullied the staff then or any other time. If so, let’s see the findings of that external investigation!!
I agree with you @Jais. I think we’d heard it by now if Meghan actually did something spesific. I think this has something to do with the incompetence of Lill’ Ass friend. The woman that was later fired, and maybe also other KP staff members. Meghan expected them to do their job, and was probably following up on all things on a regular basis. Something the KP staff aren’t used to. She was probably also giving very direct and concrete messages about what she wanted, and maybe even set “deadlines” like any normal person who’s been in a normal work situation would do. That was provably highly unusual for the KP staff, who’s used to monthly meetings instead of daily follow-ups
That woman, Knauf’s friend, was hired temporarily to help plan the wedding. She was never meant to be a permanent hire, no matter what Knauf plotted/promised. IMO she was a plant all along to cause problems.
Exactly. There is no proof of Meghan bullying staff. You don’t become a bully overnight. There is a pattern. Meghan worked on a show with 200+ staff and crew and not a single one has ever had a bad word to say about her. Asking someone to do the job they are paid to do is not bullying. Also, Kate has been known to bully staff when she was a girlfriend. She also fired a longtime staff member when the staff member came back from their honeymoon.
And it’s not just that it’s all a lie. Even if it wasn’t entirely untrue (for example, IF Kate did cry for some reason) — what about the fact that Kate leaked this information? Nobody else would have known about the incident if Kate didn’t go around telling tales. And I’m not saying Kate did cry, because I think that’s a lie. But the entire “dress fitting” incident — whatever did happen — was totally leaked by Kate. Why isn’t she being held accountable for THAT? Even if you are a royalist who believes every lie told about Meghan, this story could ONLY have been leaked by Kate.
I think it’s very possible (and the most likely scenario) for Meghan to be a kindhearted, lovely person overall — and to also have gotten upset and had a tense conversation in that week. She was under an unimaginable amount of stress and pressure — it would be weird for her to have totally kept her cool in that situation, IMO. I also highly doubt Kate was being sweetness and light to her and Meghan just went off on her for no good reason — I’m betting Kate antagonized the situation in some way, whether she was mad at the world because her husband was screwing someone else while she was pregnant (which is something I actually wouldn’t fault her for), or just being a jealous, snotty bitch, and Meghan reacted as any normal person would.
The problem here is that Meghan was not then and never has been given the grace that is ALWAYS extended to Kate. Poor, precious Kate who is always babied and coddled. People would be tripping over themselves as they always do to excuse Kate’s behavior had she been the one to lose her temper or have an outburst. But as is the black woman’s lot in life, Meghan is expected to shoulder whatever burdens she must endure with a smile, lest she is viewed as “threatening”.
@swirlmamad ita. The reason why the press etc doesn’t see Kate freaking out as a bad look has its roots here. William incandescent, Anne abusing people, even Harry furious means nothing to them because having a temper is not a huge problem for that culture ….unless you are a POC. Then you are scary!
I think that black and brown people have quite literally had a shadow projected on them and we are dealing with a culture’s fear of its own shadow.
Exactly. As Nick G says “ a culture’s fear of its own shadow.” Charles and William are the abusive ones (not to mention, of course, Andrew!). Charles was literally accused of trying to choke a servant. Imagine if Meghan did that! And look at how he treated Diana. But because he’s the white crown prince, everything gets hushed up and his image is rehabilitated.
William is constantly described as “incandescent with rage” and only Kate can calm his temper and he shocked Camilla by how he verbally abused his father, etc., etc.
And then that monster Andrew, who the queen is doing everything to protect despite his heinous crimes, who is literally wanted for questioning by the FBI. The papers could chase down that story and dissect it but they mostly look around it and past it. Because he’s a rich, high-class white man.
But Kate maybe cried once, maybe because of a conflict with Meghan, so the press will demonize her… make it make sense? So only racism and specifically misogynoir explains this.
Right. Even at the time this felt like such a non-issue except that someone was trying to use it as a smear. In reality, people crying around planning weddings, especially such a high profile one seems pretty normal. I almost canceled my wedding the day of because we were having it out in my parents horse pasture, and my dad was being his normal anal retentive self and getting visibly angry hours before any guests had even left their homes, and I was like, 100 people are coming. You will not be able to have full control over every little thing, if this is a problem, we can just not do this. He was fine, I was fine. It’s over.
Yeah I mean it was probably just some stupid argument that people have around weddings when people start getting stressed. Especially when you have such a high profile wedding like this. Believe me when I was planning my wedding 4 years ago. There were plenty of times I just wanted to elope lol..
So many excuses for Kate in this original comment, Cat. How is it exactly that Kate lying for three+ years about this crying incident keeps getting excused by certain people?
Kate made Meghan cry. Kate and Carole then lied about this for three years, they’re still lying about it now.
Absolutely no excuses for Kate IMO.
notasugarhere and Bex, what I find definitive is the fact that they keep changing the narrative. The only thing that stays the same is the Kant supposedly cried. Well, we have MEGHAN on the record saying that is not true. Has Kant even once stated ANYTHING about this story? No. We just keep getting stories from I’m not even sure who. And, this story is the one that I think will come back to haunt Kant. Think about it. They have (supposedly) a disinterested third party investigating the bullying allegations. I have no doubt they now have any number of bullying stories about Wont and Kant, but none about Meghan. So, it’s going to be really interesting to see how that report reads when it finally comes out.
I don’t know Meghan, however, the one thing we do know is that she cried because her feelings were hurt. I don’t know about you, but that doesn’t sound like she was angry at Kant–she was hurt. There’s no need to add to the story to make this better for Kant. I’ll bet she does get sharp (or down right mean) to staff. Just my opinion.
This comment is exactly why WoC can’t trust white women, even in situation where the bad thing was done TO US.
No one has ever said how Meghan talked to that woman, but you chose to create a scenario where (of course) “stressed out” Meghan is the one who was out of line first, while Kate just reacted (which paints her as passive).
Meghan clearly said that EVERYONE else chose to be accommodating because of what Meghan was dealing with that week, yet KATE is the one who wasn’t. Instead, she kept needling and nitpicking her choices on hem length, tights, etc. This was a power move on Kate’s part, and shows a continued pattern of mean girl™ behavior (see how she treated the York sisters).
If you truly believe Meghan provoked Kate, maybe interrogate WHY you need the Meghan to be the aggressor, in a scenario she didn’t leak to the press to make her sister-in-law bad and garner herself some positive press.
Omg, so this.
A normal wedding has anyone stressed out so can you imagine a wedding of this scale? Stress AND hormones makes anyone a primal asshole and any tiny incident can make you lose it.
So why can’t both stories be true? They probably made each other cry, out of petty little things. Move on.
Both stories are not true because one party (the party that was relentlessly smeared) said what happened on the record and then the other party sent out surrogates and anonymous sources to change the story so she could still be seen as a victim.
When you say, “why can’t both stories be true”, you’re basically saying Meghan did lie.
So now the order is to attack both Meghan AND Keen from on high? I’m curious to know this is all about and what their endgame is.
So, bringing up a work staff/office matter at a wedding fitting is appropriate? No, don’t think so.
The wedding was technically a work event not that I’m on Kate’s side but everything these people do is technically “work”.
Even the workplace has boundaries about when you bring up certain matters. I wouldn’t bring up a staff conflict a half hour before my boss was making a big speech, for instance. The task at hand was to take care of the fitting. The staff business could wait for another day. Kate wouldn’t know about workplace boundaries, though.
I actually believe it because that friend of Jason’s was hired to plan (ruin?) the wedding so it’s believable that she would be at a bridesmaids dress fitting and that she would say something and Meghan would reiterate that she did not want that, and then Kate would snap that Meghan shouldn’t speak to her staff like that blah blah blah. It was probably all a set up. I just can’t figure out why Kate did the flowers/card apology…that is the thing that makes zero sense to me.
@shazbot- I agree with why would Kate do the whole letter and flower thing. I’m wholly in the camp that Meghan did not do anything to deserve Kate’s treatment of her. Kate was having a bad day and jealous and treated her terribly. No excuse. The fact that she wrote a letter and gave flowers tells you that she really went off. Like not a little bit but a whole lot. To the point that she was maybe afraid Meghan would leak what she did. Because that’s what she would do and thus assumed Meghan would do the same. So maybe the note and flowers were literally a Hail Mary mea culpa from Kate to convince Meghan not to talk about it. I don’t think Meghan would have anyway but Kate didn’t know that. Just assumed Meghan would do the same as her, which is leak her ass off.
Over months, once Kate realized that leaking was not Meghan’s style, well that’s when the leaking of the opposite came to be. I’m just spitballing theories here.
Wouldn’t surprise me if they’re deliberately mixing up two events, since the “Meghan made Kate cry at the fitting” BS was rebutted. They’re trying another angle to sell Meghan made Kate cry.
All I can think is that KP is terrified that Meghan is going to tell the full story behind what happened, so they’re trying to muddy the waters as much as possible and, as always, to remind people that Meghan is a bully who actually expected KP staffers to……gasp, work. (And I think thats why the investigation is taking so long and why we’ll never see the results of it – not just because she didn’t bully anyone, but because there are probably dozens of emails from Meghan to various people basically asking “does anyone here actually work”? although of course she would be nicer about it than that, lol.)
Meghan said that the issue was right – it was about the bridesmaids dresses – and we have that follow up email from Meghan to staff in early 2020 asking “if we’re just putting any statement out there, can we now correct the story about me making Kate cry”? or whatever the specific wording is.
Anyway I know that part of the reason this keeps getting rehashed is so they can remind everyone that Meghan is an awful person who made Kate cry…..but I also keep thinking, WHY do they keep bringing this up? do they really want Meghan to say what actually happened? Do they really want the truth out there? They definitely don’t, which makes you wonder what exactly happened, but also like I said, it makes me think they are worried that for some reason Meghan IS going to tell what happened and they’re trying to get ahead of that. But if Meghan wasn’t more specific to Oprah, I don’t think she’s going to be more specific now.
Or maybe what they are most worried about is that Meghan will drop the receipts about exactly what it was that had Kate in such a snit/raging at the world, and why she was bitchy and angry enough to make Meghan cry. Just a sneaking suspicion.
Right, that’s my point, that’s why I said “KP is terrified that Meghan is going to tell the full story behind what happened.”
If its what we all think – that Kate was on edge because her husband was having an affair with her neighbor while she was pregnant – and that is something that KP has desperately tried to hide for years now (the affair), then it makes all the scrambling around the story make sense, they’re trying to get ahead of the truth coming out and are trying to smear Meghan as much as possible ahead of time.
but why are they scrambling? why do they think the truth is going to come out? FFS KP (or Carole) is the one who put the story out there in the first place. If they had just kept their mouth shut, none of us would have known anything happened. Meghan didn’t leak the story and I don’t think she’s going to just post something on twitter telling us what really happened.
But the ironic thing is that if they keep blathering about the incident, the Sussex spokesperson may put out a statement about it, lol. They really just need to shut up.
Perhaps they think what was done was egregious enough to earn a place in Harry’s upcoming book?
Becks- They are definitely afraid of the receipts being dropped.
My theory is this new story probably isn’t far from the truth. My guess is Kate did tell Meg off about staff. Meg was probably expecting staff to help, they didn’t want to, complained to Jason/Will, and Kate, when asked to something for the wedding she didn’t like (tights or something) went off on Meg about “you can’t bully me like staff” which was drawn out and harsh enough to make Meg cry. Kate later apologized. Perhaps Kate’s apology note says something like, “I’m sorry I got so mad. You aren’t mistreating staff”?
omg, I can see Kate saying something like “none of the staff even like you, they complain about you to me all the time” and that’s something that would have made me cry. Kate is enough of a mean girl to say it too.
Or they know the Schillings investigation into the staff bullying lies is moving forward. Receipts, under oath, will prove Meghan did nothing wrong. That’s why Kate/Carole are panicking.
If Kween was part of this new theory, she would never paint herself as the one who “lost control”, she thinks of herself much too highly!!
I don’t doubt Kate was upset about something and took it out on Meghan but lets not lose sight of the fact that Kate was the one who created that situation – a mean girl who has previous for picking fights with others. Look at how she cussed out Princess B in front of the paps making her cry.
As others have said this is NOT a good look for Kate – regardless of the spins they put on it.
What is the cussing-out-Princess B-in-front-of-the-paps story?
Related to the charity roller disco event. Pics of Kate drunk, flat on her back, legs akimbo are all over the place. Beatrice is seven years younger. Kate was part of the dozen people connected to the event planning. She was charged with inviting Beatrice, didn’t tell Beatrice is was a dress/costume event. Bea showed up in everyday clothes and was mocked. Kate cussed her out at the bar for being upset, in front of bartenders and paps who leaked the info. Female reporters found Beatrice in the ladies crying after Kate’s bullying of her.
One of the many events in Kate’s past that were covered up by reporters post-engagement.
Not only did Kate make Meghan cry, but she then put out a story saying the exact opposite placing the blame on Meghan and furthering the narrative of Meghan being the aggressive black woman. A story which has never been corrected by Kate and a story that is used to form part of the basis of the Meghan bullying staff story. If crygate never happens, then how credible would Jason Knauf’s claims of bullying staff be in 2021? Until Meghan corrected the record, that was 3 years of letting that false story fester in the media and general public.
Definitely not a good look and it’s intentional, imo.
Agree. in terms of hierarchy we need to remember that Kate has always been the Good Girl playing the patriarchy game, so of course she is protected by the conservative press. And of course she is a Mean Girl, she knows she has power over other women and she uses it.
I suspect what really got to her about Meghan was she tried to lord her power over M, and M was like, who are you. Meghan had her own career, she was in some ways the opposite of Kate, never helped by the patriarchy for sure, and so she wouldn’t worship Kate’s position the way Kate would demand and expect.
It’s also American to EARN respect through hard work, and we know Meghan values hard work and accomplishments. Kate expects to be catered to just because of who she married. She expects she has the right to kick everyone else.
I have money on she tried to kick Meghan like she has so many other women, and Meghan cried because it feels like crap to have someone you thought of as a sister in law act like you are their servant.
Kate weaponize race of course against a Meghan. Those kinds of women have instinct for how to belittle others and out them in “their place.”
So both of the Cambridges need anger management classes? We have heard so many rehashes of this story that it’s getting ridiculous and in none of Kate comes off good, the only one that tried to make her come across as human was Meghan the rest are just making Kate look like a mean, whiny, crybaby or in this case just violent. Also, royal adjacent sources are all now admitting that Kate was sorry and flowers were given to Meghan as an apology. Lol, Meghan has been keeping a steady foot on those necks.
I’m wondering if this isn’t part of a ‘come back for the jubilee’ track the RF is now on. They flat out need the Sussex for bait/revenue next year, because their pet newspaper is about to pay through the teeth to a member of that RF.
I wonder if Meghan wasn’t allowed have her own girlfriends as bridesmaids like she would’ve had she married an American. Kate was able to have her sister.
In retrospect I don’t think Meghan got to enjoy her wedding prep at all. Thomas Markle was showing out. Then she had to include people from Harry’s side of the family who she not only didn’t know very well but were actively against her marriage. Imagine how disheartening it was to review the wedding footage and see all those dour faces populating prime seating.
I hope Meghan and Harry have a vow renewal in the U.S. filled with their genuine friends.
Well, we did learn later that they did not consider that huge production “the real deal” — they had that small spiritual ceremony with the archbishop days before. So even though I’m sure it is and will always be so hurtful for both of them to see that footage and all those jerks showing their asses — they know in their hearts that that wasn’t their “real” wedding. But yes, maybe they will do a vow renewal at some point at their beautiful estate with all the people who truly matter in their lives and love and root for them.
And we learned the royals forced them to have a large public ceremony, when all they wanted was a small private event.
I see their wedding as a celebration for the world, a way for all of us to particpate from wherever we were. It was a genuinely unifying event, and allowed us to see the Kingdom Choir and the wonderful cellist. We needed a unifying event, something that people could cheer for all over the world–the forlorn little boy we all watched march behind his mother’s coffin weds his bride.
I hope they can look back at their wedding and see it in that light. They had their own private ceremony for themselves, away from the nonsense. Maybe they had another vow renewal in the US with their friends. I got up at 5am to watch the wedding, and it was joyful to see.
@nota, I think the large public ceremony was designed to “teach Harry a lesson.” Meghan was supposed to run home to her father, and Harry was supposed to be humiliated: “see what happens when you don’t do what we want you too?” I think the royals were sour because they never thought the wedding would actually happen, and they had to go through with it.
H&M knew what their wedding was supposed to represent to many people it’s the first time someone who was not British or white gets to be married into that family so naturally, all the eyes of the world would be looking at this couple. Meghan chose a veil with flowers from all the commonwealth countries was for this reason. The wedding was truly a unifying event despite all the negativity towards Meghan.
I hope the Sussexes could feel the love and admiration and well wishes from the big crowd who waited outside and lined the road to see them after the ceremony. That was actually my fave part of the wedding, when H&M took their carriage ride and waved at the cheering public. People were legitimately overjoyed. Many sighs again for what the British people had and lost.
I thought HM having the small spiritual exchange of vows helped Meghan be a beautiful picture of calmness. She glowed during the entire ceremony and didn’t give the media anything to criticize. I could watch the wedding multiple times and never tire of how exquisite Meghan was on her day despite the prewedding drama .
Kate wore white/pale yellow that looks like white to Meghan’s wedding as we all know from the pics in this article. She was clearly pissed about something and did the most petty thing in the world. I remember thinking she looked very put out and giving off a weird vibe at the wedding but I put it down to being a month post-partum and just giving birth a month before. And I’m sure she wasn’t thrilled maybe at being there so soon after giving birth, but it doesn’t excuse her outfit. At the time, I was very confused by her fashion choice and the color was hotly debated all over. Now we know she did it because she’s so petty.
She barely looked at Meghan during the entire service, spending her time scrutinising her hymn-sheet instead.
All the colors in the rainbow and she had to pick THAT outfit color, so close to white. Princess Petty of Lamebridge strikes again.
I stated earlier that Kween chose that color dress on purpose! I will stick with this scenario until the day I die!!
I’m so sorry @ swilmamad that I didn’t read your post earlier!!
@BothSidesNow: she absolutely picked that color on purpose! I went back to the What Kate Wore site to see what I had commented on Meghan and Harry’s wedding post and the majority of commenters back then were like “Oh she just had a baby this outfit was probably the most comfortable!” And I was one of the few that basically said she made a major faux pas and had tons of maternity wear in her closet that she could have chosen and this was not a good look. I will also stick with your scenario until I die too! Granted we had no idea how bad things had gotten between William+Kate and Harry+Meghan so people were giving Kate the benefit of the doubt, but all along she’s been Keen Kween of Pettiness!
I know Meghan said that the issue was correct – it was about the bridesmaid dresses – but I kind of wonder if that was the day that Kate said “AND LOOK AT THE WHITE DRESS I WILL BE WEARING” and Meghan said “ummm what” and then it devolved from there.
I know I’d definitely be pissed if I found out my brother-in-law’s wife planned to wear what was essentially white to my wedding — so I can totally see this happening!
@Becks: I don’t know why I never envisioned that scenario but I’m sure a version of that happened! I now think Kate is capable of anything and that would be just the Mean Girl thing she’d pull.
Oprah had her entire outfit remade, overnight, because she was worried the original would read as white on tv. But Kate shows up deliberately in her pale outfit to draw focus.
Also — she had JUST given birth a few weeks before. To put it delicately, white or a very light color was NOT the best choice especially when you know you will be highly visible and televised. Any woman who has given birth knows that a darker color would have been the smarter, correct choice for so many reasons — not just so you avoid looking like you are trying to upstage the bride. This was her 3rd time at the rodeo…she knew exactly what she was doing here.
It didn’t register with me at the time, because I don’t care much about wedding etiquette (I wouldn’t care if a woman showed up to a wedding of mine in white–but I actively dislike traditional weddings for many reasons). But damn, that was someone whose spite lead her to worry about spotting the whole time she was sitting down.
OMG do you think Gayle revealed that business about Oprah’s dress to make a subtle point about Kate’s? It’s not outside the realm of possibility that Doria or someone had quietly grumbled about it. I really want to believe my own theory now!
Oprah is such a BAMF. That is such a classy move.
Kate pulled the same mess at Eugenie’s wedding. Showed up in that bright cranberry red outfit when the color scheme was green and blue and everyone else in the family stuck to the scheme. Petty, thy name is Catherine.
Oprah had posted on her IG prior to the wedding ceremony about her change of outfit. So she didn’t know that Kate was going to be that bitch at the wedding. And kate being in the wedding photos made it even more obvious.
The only thing I am willing to believe is that Kate, being newly postpartum, was potentially brought to tears over an argument with Meghan, *not* that Meghan did or said something that in and of itself was enough to make her cry if Kate were in a normal state. My sister cried at the drop of a hat for a while after her kids were born. It happens.
But they weaponized Kate’s tears and continue to do so which is inexcusable, especially if they are admitting that kate was overly emotional to begin with- they are admitting they blew something out of proportion to attack her.
First of all we know that KP are lying liars. Second of all, Meghan said it was SHE who cried, not Kate, so stop believing the white tears. Third of all Meghan kept receipts of this, a.k.a. flowers with a note of apology from Kate.
The media knows she has Kate’s apology and is trying to bait Meghan to release the apology from Kate in full… then they will follow her lead and sue her for copyright and privacy. Meghan is smarter than all of them fools.
I’m starting to think this too. I think they are totally baiting her to release the note. They want her in a courtroom so bad right now.
Ohhhh I bet you all are right. They want Meghan to release the note.
But the only person who could sue her would be Kate, right? and that’s only if someone (a tabloid) publishes the note, and I don’t think Meghan would ever do that.
Ok now I’m starting to wonder if you are right – this is about getting the note out there, so they are baiting Meghan – but its less about Meghan and more about the cambridges – if the note says something like “you know things are rough with William right now” or something, then the press can report on THAT under the guise of “mean Meghan actually released Kate’s private correspondence!!! Can you believe it!!! and oooohhhh what was going on in their marriage?!?!?!”
I am telling you… whatever Kate wrote must have been headlines GOLD! Of course Jason would know what was on it as he told her what to say.
@ RoyalBlue, oohhhh!!!! What an interesting perspective you have!!! You certainly know how to think like the rest of the royal rats, don’t you!!!
This is certainly plausible given that unhinged and absolutely batty article headline that the Fail put out last week!!!
BothsSides I have a very vivid imagination. ha!
@royalblue – oh I absolutely believe Meghan cried and Kate apologized.
It is possible they both cried.
I’m just saying I can believe Kate also cried because she was overly emotional and then they weaponized it against Meghan. We’re on the same side here.
You know — this is exactly it. They want to “trick” her into releasing the apology note so they can turn around and sue her back AND have an opening to comment on the Cambridge marital issues. Great call!!! Too bad Meghan is way too smart to fall into any trap these idiots think they are setting. Although could she paraphrase it without releasing any copy and get around copyright laws? I think she’s too classy for that anyway but that’s probably what’s got them quaking in their boots.
Oh yes, exactly! How could we have thought anything else!
Stripe NO. Do not even propose the theory or drop any innuendo that Kate possibly cried, because Meghan is on record as saying that Kate did not cry and we believe Meghan. We do not believe the Rota, or KP. who have gone on the record for being duplicitous.
But why would that end up with people suing Meghan? When Megan’s letter was published, she didn’t sue her dad, she sued the paper that printed it. So if Meghan gives the letter to People, People would be sued. Or are we thinking that Meghan is going to publish the full letter herself on the Archewell website or create a social media account just to publish the letter?
Amy, or she will go on Oprah or some other outlet and read it. We know she won’t but the rota is deranged across the ocean. The Rota may want it purely for new headlines, knowing Kate won’t sue.
RoyalBlue – I am willing to believe a postpartum woman, any postpartum woman, cried after an argument. That’s it- that is where my belief in KPs version begins and ends.. On that one single point. I will propose that all day because it is reality.
I believe Meghan cried, I believe Kate sent her flowers apologizing. Further, I believe if Kate *did* cry, it wasn’t in front of Meghan and Meghan didn’t know because, to your point, I don’t think Meghan is a liar.
Lastly, I believe that even if Kate did cry, KP then completely blew the issue out of context in a nakedly racist attack against Meghan. I in no way shape or form believe Kate is a victim.
@stripe, I see what you mean. Kate could have cried, after she went home and most likely to her mother, who then leaked to the press that Meghan made her cry. my god, what a mess they are making of this. it’s so high school.
I like this theory but I’m just not sure Kate would actually even obliquely reference dissatisfaction with William on paper. This def could be goading Meghan into speaking about this whole ridiculous story again, which the press would love. I’m leaning towards Kate leaking this bc she thinks it makes her look like she is championing her staff against a bully. Or William so that he can blame sussexexit on Kate later. I really don’t know.
I posted a comment this morning that gotten eaten up in the technical difficulties that they are baiting Meghan to release the note so they can claim she is a hypocrite in addition to being a liar. Since someone on this thread mentioned that Pippa has also been seen with this Allsopp creature, my money is now on CarolE re-releasing the crying story because she sees a way for Kate to become a victim of privacy and copyright infringement at Meghan’s hands.
You know Kate has to copy Meghan on everything, so Kate is just dying for one of her notes to be released to the press and become the subject of a MOS controversy. They can even bring in a handwriting expert who will testify that Kate’s script on the apology note shows she is regal, compassionate and has the right stuff to be the future Queen (they won’t bother with the consort nonsense.)
Thankfully, Meghan is not reckless and won’t fall into the trap. See how Meghan has protected Kate’s privacy throughout this ordeal, while William runs to ruin Meghan’s right to privacy? What a bunch of lunatics at the palace.
Kate didn’t cry at all; that is the whole point of Meghan correcting the story. Kate had no tears to weaponize. MEGHAN cried. Meghan was treated poorly. Meghan is the one who received the apology and flowers from Kate. The only thing that Kate’s hormones could excuse her of was being an a**hole at another woman’s wedding prep. Meghan was the one in tears, which Kate then appropriated for her own victim hood.
You’re right. Maybe Kate cried later idk? But Meghan was clear that she cried and Kate apologized. She did not say we both cried.
This!
But look at the white ladies on this site trying to both sides this story to make Kate look less like a racist monster.
It’s disgraceful.
Maybe Kate cried tears of rage later because she knew she behaved badly and hated having to apologize. Doesn’t this woman have a history of mean behavior and was never held accountable for it? But, yes, l absolutely believe Meghan’s word on this.
I don’t even really care if Kate cried or not. Maybe she did, maybe she cries every day bc her husband is an ahole who cheats on her and she has no real friends and her sister won’t even speak to her anymore and her mother won’t let her leave her ahole husband and all she has is….an empty palace and some cute kids who are with the nanny more than they are with her. Maybe she’s happy with that situation, but maybe she cries about it too. But whatever.
The point is this specific issue whether MEGHAN MADE KATE CRY and we know that she did not because Meghan said she did not and in all the scrambling after from KP, Camilla Tominey, etc, the most we have heard is that both cried. No one has said that Meghan never cried. Maybe Kate cried after she realized she was behaving like the garbage person she is. I don’t know.
But Meghan did not make Kate cry and the reason that story gained steam and still is bandied about today is because it reinforces Meghan as the angry black woman, as a bully, as the mean girl who couldn’t stand Kate’s “perfection,” whatever.
There’s no doubt that Kate did make Meghan cry at the fitting. That’s what Meghan said and l believe her. What tearful shenanigans Kate pulled in the aftermath whether hours or days later when the chickens came home to roost and she had to issue an apology is another story altogether. The fact that another convoluted version of this incident is being released shows that they’re desperate to keep this in the forefront to beat Meghan down.
Meghan said that she cried, not Kate. I believe her.
The only thing I’ll believe that Kate did later on was panic at the thought of her bitchy behavior getting out in public. She was so awful to Meghan that she had to put an apology in words AND send flowers in an attempt to make up for it which, as someone upthread said, Kate probably never does. And Kate is still panicking over the truth, hence this story getting flipped every couple of months.
Yes, JT, and the fact that she acted out in public and was forced to send an apology sort of traps her in this sense.
Doesn’t matter who cried.. it was petty & childish to run to Camilla T and leak this incident in the first place something Meghan never did because a grown woman in her 30s would deal with the problem privately not announce it to the whole world as kate and KP did.. it’s ridiculous even middle school girls have more maturity
You really hit the nail on the head with that.
Regardless, was two people having an argument at a hugely emotional time (Meghan dealing with everything she was having to deal with, Kate postpartum) and should have been kept private, not leaked to the press and blown up completely out of context. Meghan only talked about it once she was thrown under the bus so viciously about it.
Yes and no. It should not have been leaked to Tominey, but it absolutely matters that Meghan was the one crying because of something Kate said or did and when the story went public, Meghan was purposely cast in the role of villain who bullied the English rose.
Kate could have been civil to Meghan even if she had post partum depression. She could have picked up the phone and denied that the event even happened. She didn’t.
I hope H&M have good security. Just saying. The last time that family was wound up it didn’t go well for Harry’s mum.
Meghan and Harry are safe, sound and thriving where they are. Let that Firm of fools self implode.
PLEASE STOP!
Please stop telling the truth?
That Diana was hounded to her death by the insane press who were whipped up into a frenzy by the Palaces obsession with punishing Diana for living in a manner of her own choosing and smearing her and Dodi’s interracial relationship so much that the were dangerously chased into that tunnel by paps with flashbubs ablaze?! Paps singularly focused on getting shots of Diana and Dodi for stories with info furnished by the Palaces that decried them.
No, we’re NEVER going to stop telling that story and pointing out the blood on the palaces and the presses hands in it. Especially WHEN THEY’RE LITERALLY DOING THE SAME THINGS TO MEGHAN.
They are really trying to get that bullying lie/propaganda to stick aren’t they? No matter what they try it’s not working, because people who have worked with Meghan knows she is not a bully. In fact we know that:
Kate is the racist bully, William is the racist bully, Simon Case is the racist bully, Jason is the racist bully, Charles is the racist bully, Camilla is the racist bully. the Fail on Sunday is the racist bully, the Tories are the racist bullies….etc,
Also remember the “tiaragate” smear.
Do you know what worries me about the bullying investigation? It’s that no matter the findings, the tabloids will stitch together “their” truth and make Meghan look guilty. And the people in the middle that don’t really care about royalty will see a newspaper headline and they won’t care enough to look up the facts and that will be the new narrative about Meghan.
What worries me is that we will never get the results lol. But yeah if we do, the tabloids will tabloid. Lots of other people will probably see through it though, and over time, hopefully, history will attest to how the BM treated Meghan.
The people who matter won’t give two cents about any of the nonsense that comes out of the trash bin known as the British press.
I will never in a million years understand why Kate has allowed this story of her crying to float around for the last three years. It makes her look so, so astonishingly weak. And I know the press is all about infantilizing her but I do not understand why -she- is okay with that. She’s nearly forty, has three kids, and wants to be Queen. Crying over some dresses is not a good look.
Kate not correcting the false story makes Kate look like the bully. We know kate can contact the media and retract false stories, as she has done for years, and most recently with the Tatler story. Kate chooses to do nothing here, mostly because we know the false story came from her camp. Knauf could have done it for her because he was clearly looking to set up Meghan as a bully once his friend Toubati was let go.
Kate has a past of bullying the York sisters amongst others so none of this is unusual for her.
Also there is a photo of Pippa with Allsopp and Mary Berry, so the connection to Camilla is likely a distraction. This new story is from the Middletons. Uncle Gary is also out giving more interviews as well.
The PIp connection does make this look like a Middleton story. Like the story about Charles/Harry donor tracks to being William trying it against both Charles and Harry.
Yeah, we all know KP can and does correct stories about Kate when it wants to, so the fact that this story is out there still in any version tells us that it is out there with KP’s blessing. For some reason Kate this is a good look for her – and none of the versions are a good look for her. After the Oprah interview, KP should have put out a statement saying that Meghan’s version of events was correct and they do not know why any other version was being reported and that both duchesses have moved on, considering it was years ago.
but of course they could never do that bc the story is out there from Kate/Carole.
A lot of articles describe Allsopp as Kate’s friend.
Seems like Kirsty Allsop is being used as a cover for the Middleton’s and rather than saying she is friends with them they are implicating Camilla.
Wow William really threw her right up under the bus here didn’t he?
I honestly assume that whatever happened between M & K, came and went between them. Meghan said Kate sent her flowers. A combo of wedding stress and post partum emotions more than likely got the best of Kate and Meg. But like all things in history men blow it widely out of proportion. William flipped it and said M made Kate cry, let it drag into the media.
Let’s not excuse Kate because she probably put this out there herself/through KP/her mother. Not trying to dismiss William, but when it comes to this specific story, I believe Kate is far, far more involved than William is.
Whatever happened between Kate and Meghan has not come and gone because Kate still, to this day, never corrected her lie. Buttons has allowed her family to attack Meghan in the press and on television for years now. Kate and William are working with the Daily Fail to destroy Meghan as of a few weeks ago. Kate gets no passes.
Yeah, this was 100% Kate’s contribution to the smear campaign — I don’t think this particular part was William’s doing at all. It fed into what he was doing and he was fine with it though.
@Swirl In fact, this cry story was probably one of the first major smears against Meghan and it set the tone for all of the coverage going forward. It was the nail in the coffin, so going by that, I would say that Kate was a major instigator in the break down of relationships between the Sussexes and the RF/BM. Because at that point William “reservations” weren’t as known and they certainly weren’t the incandescence that we have seen for the past few years.
I keep thinking back to the stories surrounding the cry story after Meg corrected it. So many sources were saying how William had to protect his wife and how nobody makes his wife cry. There was even something that said he basically had to smear Meg because of the crying incident. I have a theory that he didn’t actually know the truth of the matter until Meg went on Oprah. Not that William didn’t dislike Meg before, but I think this story is what really upped the ante in regards to the smear campaign. Even if this only gave him permission to all in, this incident with Kate was what changed everything. Hence, why this period of time brought W&K closer to together because they were united in their smears and goals for once.
@JT, who knows, maybe she turned on the waterworks and embellished for William later, and it probably delighted her when that gave him more fodder to get riled up over Meghan/show some emotion towards HER. Like you said, maybe he had no clue of the real story until much later when it came out with Oprah.
As I have said before, Kate lied to Will, and by coming out with the truth, she will have to admit that lie. She will never do that. If there is proof that she lied to Will, she is in big trouble and she knows it. Her only course of action is to discredit everything Meghan says.
This reads like they’ve so completely lost the thread of their many anti-Meghan narratives that they’ve given up and mashed them up into one stupid and contradictory story. And that they keep bringing this up years later is Piers Morgan-level obsession. What a twisted and clueless bunch.
Imagine being almost 40 years old, having 3 young kids and a job you’re supposed to being doing (yes I know she barely works hence why I said supposed) yet you cannot let go of a 3.5 year old incident. Even if Meghan didn’t talk about in the Oprah interview, it has been 3.5 years. Let. It. Go. Kate. Does it matter who made who cry over what? (again, assuming that Meghan didn’t talk about it). And since Meghan did, she also made it clear that she doesn’t consider Kate to be the bad guy in that situation. Yet this woman wants to continue making herself a victim over an incident that again, was 3.5 years ago and as @Becks1 said, many of us here assumed it was probably due to hormonal stress from Kate’s end so we all mostly shrugged it off. And Kate wasn’t even the one who cried!
She just makes herself look sad and pathetic every time she brings this up because she. cannot. let. this. go. for. some. reason.
Those shitty BRF, so unprofessional. They were almost at the same level as trump administration.
So embarrassing.
This is preparation for throwing Kate under the bus and making her the one behind Suxxexit.
The story keeps shifting. It has now shifted to “Kate did something wrong because Meg did something wrong, which is how Meg made her cry.” That story doesn’t fly, and it will shift to “Kate went berserk over bullying and made Meg cry” to “Kate was the bully and behind smearing Meg” making Kate responsible for all the drama and the rift between brothers.
This is all greasing the wheels for divorce by making it seem like Kate is the temper prone person in the Cambridge marriage. My guess is we’ll see some other stories setting this up soon.
I agree. I have always believed that Kate will be blamed for Sussexit but KP will have to be more subtle about their smears against Kate than they were with Meghan. The firm has allowed Kate to be built up for so long that they cannot just rage against her like they did with H&M. They are probably just slowly setting the stage, shifting the goal posts, laying the groundwork until they can go in for the kill. Kate going down for everything, let’s everyone else off the hook. Her eye rolls, sour faces, her rogue relatives, and her history of briefing the press since the dating years will be her downfall.
Completely false story, especially when Kate and her mother Carole are known to be rude to staff.Before Meghan’s arrival there was a lot of history of them terrorizing their staff and being rude to sales assistants and waitresses. Then Kensington’s own staff themselves admitted that the Duchess Dolittle rarely shows up at the office.
Kate and the Middletons were so awful to the first housekeeper at Anmer, she and her husband quit after only five months.
Let’s not forget Catherine Quinn bolted as soon as her two years were up. Quinn was overqualified for the position and we assumed she was just bored, but maybe part of it is was because Kate is unpleasant to work with.
There are also several photos showing Kate with a temper, the ones during the tour in Poland being notable.
I don’t think I’ve ever heard stories or seen photos from that tour….what did she do? She likes to leave these little nuggets of insight into her true personality every few years lol.
There are photos of her looking pretty angry at William in the Poland tour which I am sure what covered on the site here. It would have been in August 2017.
So let me see if I have this straight. The worst allegations that have come out about Meghan is she was a stressed out bride who may have had a common row with her then future SIL, as well as she is a boss who expects her staff to work for her, and she also expects privacy in her personal matters with her family. Got it.
Lock her up in the Tower of London and prepare her grave next to Anne Boleyn.
Was this only 3 years ago?? Because Kate looks so young in that photo so… I guess karma has not allowed time to be kind to her.
It’s because she still had some post-baby weight at the time (she gave birth a month before the Sussex wedding).
She also has that post-birth fullness to her face from the pregnancy weight. That *always* made her look younger. The gauntness from the uber-dieting/working out (combined with the bad skin from all the tanning) ages her at least 10 yrs.
Remember that Kate had only recently had a baby in the wedding photos and was likely more than a few pounds heavier than she is today as a result. Her fuller face etc looks much healthier with the postpartum weight than the painfully thin look we are seeing today. Personal choice on her part but IMO she looks much better with a little more weight. Having said that, ugly racists will always look ugly no matter how thin they are…..
As if Kate would ever stand up for anyone else. Kate is a bully, always has been, and she continues to spin lies for her own PR.
Meghan did nothing to the staff, she did nothing to Kate, she did nothing to make anyone cry. The one continuing to profit from the lies is Karen KKKambridge.
I can see kate attempting to cuss Meghan out. I can see Meghan calmly checking her and poor little Kate crying because the mean black American wasn’t having it… typical mean girl behavior went called out on her bs. Even if Kate is a secret alpha, she simply doesn’t have the life experience to go toe to toe with a Meghan type, who while charming, sweet and nice doesn’t strike me as the type to take shit from a pampered, ignorant princess.
I doubt Kate cares enough about treatment of staff to go off on anyone about it. So, this is, again, false.
Isn’t this a remix of an old tabloid story? I vaguely remember some (obviously BS) allegations about Meghan “bullying” KP staff – not the office staff but like personal staff – and Kate reprimanding her about it? So are they sort of merging two (obviously BS) stories to combine them here?
As for Meghan “bullying” staff, overt racist tropes aside, I can see KP staff and Kate calling for a fainting couch and smelling salts if Meghan politely but firmly pushed back on just about any of their passive aggressively “helpful” advice about the wedding. “Meghan, divorcees typically wear off-white; how about this beige dress instead of white?” “No, I’ll be wearing white thank you.” “How DARE she talk back to staff!”
This was really bugging me, so I looked back in the archives and I think this is a riff off of the story in Tom Quinn’s book “Kensington Palace: An Intimate Memoir from Queen Mary to Meghan Markle.” In it, he claims that while Meghan & Harry were living in Nottingham Cottage at KP, Meghan asked a staff member to do something and the staff member said they couldn’t because they worked for Kate, not her. Meghan allegedly “went on to row with the staff member” and furious, horrified Kate had to intervene. In one of the original Celebitchy articles about it Kaiser even says that if this were true it would be the basis of another “Meghan made Kate cry” story and, here we are. Another Royal Remix to continue the smears against Meghan and protect themselves from their own obvious, overt racism and hatred.
Thanks for doing that dive, Sunday. Why would a staffer say they worked for Kate and not Meghan? Didn’t everyone at KP at that time work for both couples? Or was someone at the top saying differently and thus the staff were refusing to work with Meghan. God, they really f*cked with her, didn’t they? Right from the start. These people. Omfg.
*my cursing with asterisks in place of the vowels has gone up today in my comments bc….these people omfg.
Honestly, I don’t even care if Meghan was rude to people or mean to Kate the week or so leading up to her wedding. There are literally entire television franchises built on brides who are normally lovely, kind people turning in to unreasonable monsters before their wedding, and they aren’t marrying in to a royal family while the world is watching and waiting for them to fail. So, I don’t think that Meghan was a bridezilla, but if she was, um, so what? It’s been years. Next please.
Please, if Kate is a Duchess in the headline, Meghan should be, too.
If we’re titling people, title all who have it.
There is nothing nice or fragile about kate the great, full stop. Just remembering her face on commonwealth day, in the past, cannot be forgotten. I still say kates bad behavior had everything to do with meghan taking harry, from her clutches. Her behavior at the wedding said a lot. She behaved like a scorned, heart broken woman. Oh well that is just imho.
Kate also IMO saw other women as “threats” and one anecdote that appeared in her biographies had her dashing across the floor to get a young woman from “coming on” to William. She told the young woman she was William’s girlfriend (even though she and William were not dating then).
Long time reader, first time commentator – Thank you Margaret for saying what I have been thinking about this situation from day 1. Kate is acting like Meghan took away the love of her life. Kate wants the crown and title but wanted the emotional interactions with Harry so she could have the best of both worlds. Kate seeing how Harry interactions with Meghan in public and private probably burned her soul because she’s truly stuck with William. Another reason that Kate has chosen to never say Harry, Meghan or their children’s names in public. This is why she acted a fool at Phillip’s funeral = Time with Harry without Meghan.
Try again KopyKate…lol!
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The “Kate was defending the staff” statement that was added to this little story bc Kate thinks it makes her look like a superhero. She wants the public to believe this was not over a bridesmaid dress but over a bigger issue – respect for the folks who work at the Palace and, therefore, she was right to reduce Meghan to tears. This is Kate, trying to look compassionate toward the little people who must cater to her every whim. KP thinks that the only way to appear strong is to be able to become incandescent with rage at a moment’s notice. It’s another hit job on Meghan, reinforcing that she “bullied staff” while making Kate seem like the defender of the working class.
Also, as if this woman would ever actually stand up for “staff,” give me a break.
To Kate and her family I say- “what else” have you got? They’ve got nothing. Their disconnect from reality and their general irrelevance to modern society becomes clearer by the day.
People have to stop making excuses for this woman. She weaponised her tears which kicked off a multi-year smear campaign. There is no need to rationalise her version of events. She was responsible for making another woman cry and then lied about it for years.
I agree this story is beyond silly. Anyone can understand a post partum mother & a stressed bride having a moment at a dress fitting. As Meghan said, Kate owned it, apologised & it was water under the bridge where it should have remained.
But a story randomly came out months after the event to paint Meghan as the aggressor & Meghan said it was start of real character assassination. At the time it was reported that Meghan had strict demands for Charlotte’s dress so Meghan was being accused of bullying a little kid & making new mother Kate upset. And white women’s tears have a history of danger for black/mixed race people which is why it is so sinister that one camp still keeps bringing this story up to make Meghan look like an angry black woman/ bully.
This is like the fifth version of this story. Why is someone so insistent on bringing up new ways they claim Meghan made Kate cry? Also I guess they don’t want to rely on unnamed sources after their comment on the BBC doc so they roped in this tv presenter to make this hearsay claim. She recently came off social media for her dismissal of racism so not exactly the best champion for the royal family but oh well.
It was always telling that Meghan, who was the one getting married with her father causing chaos, was even painted as the bad person in any version of this story. Usually sympathy & empathy would be with the bride.
@LULU27. What two women? It seems only one woman is keeping this story going. Meghan only corrected the record one time only.
I am with Kaiser here: I think Kate was awful to Meghan. Look at the photo of all the women sitting in the pews above – they all look upset about the wedding. There is not one expression of “Aww, I’m so happy for this couple!” For Harry, they could not behave on his special day! This, just like the CW service, they know they are being broadcast around the world. Think about how embarrassingly hurtful Meghan’s father was behaving that week – Meghan was probably trying to be so accommodating to Harry’s family. How could she be domineering at that time? Anyway, this is my take.
Hard agree. Meghan was just entering the RF at that time and we’re to believe that she just waltzed in and started bullying people. Bullsh*t. She was probably trying to be extra accommodating at that point, esp. if she was feeling misplaced guilt over her father’s shenanigans. No, nope, don’t believe it.
Meghan and Harry between them know dirty details. Affair details. Where the bodies are buried. And I’m betting they will release some info after the queen passes. Indirectly to journalists looking to cut their teeth on something big. Until then they lay low and let the Windsors run amuck.
How many times is this story going to change? Meghan was having a shit week with all her family’s shenanigans leading up to her very public wedding, and Kate took the opportunity to lay into her either about an insignificant detail or an unrelated issue. They can change the story however they like, but the fact remains that Kate chose to pick a meaningless fight with a bride right before her wedding. It looks bad for Kate no matter what.
I still don’t know what nasty thing Kate said to make an already under immense stress royal bride-to-be cry.
And the fact that the story still floats and the actual facts are still unknown is annoying to me. Tell me what waity white girl said.
My guess is Meghan stood her ground about what she wanted. Kate probably said something to the effect of “You know f*ck-all about royal protocols, proper dress codes, having air freshener in the church, tights, tiaras, etc. etc. I’ve been in this family for almost 10 years, you haven’t so you don’t GET to have an opinion — you’re just an American actress.”
A normal person would be embarrassed to keep talking about this alleged incident.
Yes, but these people are not normal. I used to think, they’ll bring in a PR firm to help sort things out but they keep pushing out these stories that make them look bad. Anyone with a lick of sense would let this story die.
LOL. Look people, if some of you are STILL making excuses for Kate at this point, then you’re a lost cause and that’s the nicest thing I can say about you. She’s proven ten times over what a piece of shit she is, and evidence of her poor character has only gotten more blatant over the past year:
-using a murdered woman’s vigil as a PR stunt
-treating her grandfather-in-law’s funeral like a Dynasty photoshoot
-sending her druggie abusive uncle out to trash Meghan multiple times
-continuing to screech about how she totally DID cry and creating more lies on top of lies
And that was JUST this year! Sidenote: If I were her, I’d be worrying about William shouting out Jecca Craig’s father in his little podcast while apparently making no mention of his own wife or his in-laws.
@ Beach Dreams. White women always get the benefit of the doubt. Even now, when we know Meghan was the one in tears, we got people saying “well, maybe Kate cried because she was postpartum”.
Preach.
I will also bring up the video evidence of Kate ignoring Harry and Meghan at a commonwealth service because of a procession.
For all the CBs who themselves had big weddings with lots of planning, did any of you have zero drama? Like, a little spat, some tears, an apology, flowers, years later this is just a small memory, right? Why in the world is this the hill that whomever is behind these rumors wants to stake their flag?
I have to wonder why it is that people around Kate are STILL pushing this story, especially when Meghan’s Oprah interview gave her the most gracious of outs – that they were both facing a lot of stress, regrettable things were said, tears were shed, flowers were sent, done and dusted. Nothing to see here, weddings are stressful! (I myself burst into tears about napkin colours of all things).
If Kate or KP wanted to, now that the story is out there once more, they could correct it today. They don’t want to.
The fact is that not only has this story been allowed to fester for three years, but that they keep plastering on new elements, like the flower girls wearing or not wearing tights, to cover up whatever the actual issue was. So the new story is that Kate, a known champion for worker’s rights and sticking up for the little people, tore into Meghan at a dress fitting? That just doesn’t track. How many staff would even be reporting to Meghan before her marriage, and why would they be going to Kate instead of HR to resolve said issues, if they existed? And why was Kate so disposed to believe vague rumours of bad behaviour about Meghan, enough to immediately decide to confront her? I think maybe two stories are being mixed here, the “Meghan the bully” narrative and the “dress fitting incident”, but I also think whatever was said to make Meghan cry, it’s bad enough that even KP isn’t going to try to spin it.
Since there were children there and Kate had just had Louis, I’ve always wondered if she said something cruel about whether or not Meghan and Harry would or could have children. Like “But, Meghan dear, you’re nearly 40! Harry’s not the heir, you don’t NEED to have children, like I did, maybe you can just be a fun aunt to these three. And, anyway, wouldn’t getting pregnant hurt your little acting career?”
Like “But, Meghan dear, you’re nearly 40! Harry’s not the heir, you don’t NEED to have children, like I did, maybe you can just be a fun aunt to these three. And, anyway, wouldn’t getting pregnant hurt your little acting career?” <– :-O
Middleton loved having William and Harry to herself. Anyone that Harry married would have been given “the treatment”.
Kate didn’t like Chelsy nor Cressida, and they’re both rich white women.
And Cressida is from a very aristo family, something Kate can’t claim. She’s barely tolerated by them, especially since she tried to butt heads with Rose Hanbury.
It must have been triggering to see a continued demonstration of perfect love between two imperfect (as all humans) people, so she could not help herself.
But only one version of the story is needed, the actual truth based in reality. I get the impulse to save her marriage, by standing by her man: but be smart about it.
The ‘bullying’ allegations against Meghan persist because she insisted that they should be properly addressed, and not buried in an annual report. Good on her. Bill will think twice before he project.
On second thought, he would not.
Exhibit, his behaviour before and after the airing of the recent BBC documentary.
There is no doubt that Meghan only account stand as to who actually cried during the fitting. This account is at least the third retelling.
I 100% agree with Magick Wanda, I think they’re trying to reframe Kate’s behaviour as nobly standing up for the staff, while emphasizing Meg’s a bully. Which makes me think they are terrified, because Kate’s behaviour must have been truly reprehensible. Also why Kate felt she had to issue an apology, not because she was genuinely sorry, but to cover her tracks -witnesses?
In a way, it’s good that they keep talking, because they keep demonstrating that they’re racist sociopaths who don’t know how to human. Like ABritGuest and Lululu note, it was Meghan’s wedding, she was under enormous pressure, her dad was humiliating her on the world stage, even if she wasn’t in the best mood, where was the empathy? Why wasn’t she given the benefit of the doubt? No kindness to a new family member? I don’t believe Meghan bullied anyone, that whole family just wanted to punish her for daring to enter their space, and Kate’s jealousy just came roaring to the surface.
I’m a white woman and “white woman tears ” is new to me. I’m from New York and it’s a point of toughness to “never let them see you cry.” What a horrible thing “white woman tears” are, then. So the “she made me cry” accusation from Kate always sounded imbecilic to me, like two five year olds fighting on a playground. Also, a “crybaby” looks bad, like she’s too much of a wimp to fight back or take it. It’s understood that life is contentious and either party can win or lose in a conflict. There’s always another day.
Anyway, just yikes.
It sounds imbecilic to you, but in the white supremacist society we live in, this story was taken almost as a call to arms. The “white, fragile English rose” was being mistreated to the point of tears by biracial Meghan. There’s a reason why that story resonated with so many people and it’s not just because it’s a “juicy” story.
100% with you on this. I’m from NY too and, “white woman tears” tracks all over the US (whether you’re “NY Tough” or a dainty Southern belle) as well as the world over. Whenever it comes down to it, they may be victims of the patriarchy, but ultimately white women will always be protected while WOC, namely black women, will always be left in the cold to fend for themselves. It’s been that way since the beginning of time and it’s the way it will always be. Meghan was targeted and needed to pay, in their eyes, because she dared to show up the UK’s symbol of perfect white womanhood.
@jferber white women’s tears have historically led to the death of black people. never heard of it in new york? have you heard of Amy Cooper? She literally wanted Christian Cooper dead when she was in the wrong in central park not too long ago. sheesh.
@RoyalBlue, perfect example.
Eh, I think it’s entirely possible Kate cried, but not because of Meghan or white fragility, but because she was a million months pregnant. I used to cry at the drop of a hat when I was pregnant. Your hormones are all over the place.
Can we please stop saying Kate could have cried when Meghan told us she didn’t? Or do we not care about what Meghan says because the white woman needs to be the victim?
And before Meghan said the truth, I totally believe Kate could have cried because of hormones and that’s normal but it’s not normal to still talk about 3.5 years later – especially when the other person and said that’s not correct.
Yes to everything you said.
Post partum depression should not keep a woman from behaving like a decent human being. What Kate did IMO was inexcusable. She just let Meghan take the heat and did nothing, a simple phone call of denial would have stopped it.
I don’t think it was even PPD, it was a combination of fluctuating hormones, jealousy of and disrespect for an American bi-racial actress who, in fact, is a million times smarter, more accomplished and compassionate than Kate could EVER be. I can totally see Meghan telling Harry what went down and how badly Kate acted, then Harry marching off with steam coming out of his ears to KP or wherever the Cambridges were sitting their entitled butts down and putting Kate on blast. That’s why Kate was so stand-offish at the polo match where she wouldn’t even go over to coo over newborn Archie. She was embarrassed.
This makes zero sense. Even as a lie. The line about it being about bridesmaid dresses is very plausible. But why would Kate attack Meghan on the bullying stuff (BS) mere days before an event of this magnitude? It’s definitely something that could keep.
And totally agree with you and posters who have leaned towards this being the start of the setting up of Kate.
Re: crying story. Let’s get some things straight here:
1. Meghan is the one who cried. We know this because Meghan said it and nobody denied it on Kate’s behalf. And Meghan would have said if Kate cried too, so it’s clear Kate didn’t cry in front of Meghan.
2. Kate did not cry later, not re: this argument. Stop speculating that. We know she didn’t cry later over this argument because when Meghan set the record straight, nobody said “well it was later, when Meg wasn’t around.” The fact that defense wasn’t used proves Kate didn’t cry re: this argument. In fact, my guess is Kate had no reason to cry as dressing down Meg and making her cry probably made her feel happy and powerful. She was likely satisfied about putting that “uppity” black woman in her place.
3. WWTs don’t work when a white woman has a private argument with a WOC. The tears only work on white men. If Kate shed any WWTs, it would have been days after the argument when called to account for making Meg cry. In fact, my theory has always been that Harry demanded an apology which is why Meg got one. And if Kate cried to anyone, it was him. And I’m guessing he wasn’t having it because Meg got flowers and an apology.
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Liars always change/embellish their stories. Why didn’t this version come out before? Didn’t Camel Toe say she had a highly placed source? Wasn’t she the original one to print this, didn’t she have an “exclusive”? These people are truly despicable.
Truth is singular. Its ‘versions’ are mistruths. – Mitchell, David. Cloud Atlas
Looking at the photo above, Camilla’s outfit is as pale as Kate’s, and i wonder if they coordinated pastel outfits. Lets take a moment to be grateful their clothes were not see thru. Their behavior is, though.
More questions than answers here. Note that this story was originally in The Telegraph? Did Kirsty Allsop, friend of Camilla really give an interview to The Telegraph on this subject? Without saying so this Daily Fail story is implicating Camilla as a gossip. The royal family are in a total mess and have allowed themselves to be a the mercy of the British media. Do none of them have any backbone, apart from Harry, and as a matter of principle refuse to put up with this? Can they not see that their underhand agenda to destroy the reputation of the Sussexes was always going to backfire?
RE: Lanne- I’m adding my voice to the chorus of commentors here stating how glad they are that you’re a teacher. Your comment is one of the most insightful, articulate, and infuriating (because it SHOULD be) summations of the power hierarchy of white women and WOC in our culture that i have ever seen. One of the reasons I’m glad you’re a teacher is because I realized a long time ago that I’m never going to be able to convince my 90 year old grandmother that mixed race children are NOT “mongrels” (her word), and I’m never going to convince my 93 year old Cuban grandfather that his dislike of Puerto Ricans makes ABSOLUTELY no sense (even their flags are almost identical ffs!). Hell I have little faith that I could even convince my peers (im in my late 30s) to think differently, when they’re being close-minded or unfair. My faith lies in the younger generation, the generation that GENUINELY feels affronted when they hear racist/homophobic/ignorant-in-general slurs, the generation that knows their power but uses it for GOOD (ex the BTS fans who played tRump when they bought up all the tickets to one of his Nazi rallies, making him think hundreds of thousands of people were showing up). With teachers like you, I know I’m right to have faith in soon-to-be adults. And I think it’s important for anyone who has young people in their life, in ANY capacity, to set a GOOD example, and to ensure that they don’t inherit the poisonous thinking of the older generations.
Still beating that dead horse until it’s pile of bones. KP needs to just give up.
Kate’s going to be the Queen’s age and they’re going to try another angle to get people on her side against Meghan
What is “white tears”?
This story is so desperately embarrassing. They make Kate sound like an 8-year-old having a slap fight with her playground rival. Stop digging!
Oh Kate cried alright. She’s been crying ever since Harry met Meghan and fell totally and completely in love with her. Kate keeps on crying her big fat white girl tears because she wanted Meghan man and still does. That B has convinced herself that Meghan stole Harry from her so I suspect she is still crying every damn day.
I don’t believe Kate’s side of the story at all. But let’s pretend what Kate said was true — if we do the math, there are only two outcomes and neither puts Kate in a good light. First possibility, only Kate and Meghan were present — this one proves definitively that Kate is leaking stories, because there’s nobody else who could have known what happened. Kate should be held accountable for those leaks. Or second scenario, someone else was present, and *they* leaked the story. But if that’s the case, then Kate was discussing confidential personnel matters in front of a third party. And Kate should be held accountable for that.
So which one was it? Did Kate leak the story herself, or did Kate discuss confidential personnel issues in front of a third party? And when is the palace gong to look into THAT?
Kirstie Allsop is a forking blight who should never be taken seriously.
Everyone in that family tried to throw a monkey wrench into Harry and Meghan’s wedding. They wanted their happy day to turn out a disaster. Has anybody noticed how William and Kate, after the ceremony, grabbed their two children and did not allow them to continue their procession down the aisle after the ceremony? There’s no reason why George and Charlotte could not continue to join and follow the other flower girls and pages down the aisle. They were deliberately removed by William and Kate. Few months later, Eugenie got married and there was no such removal. The kids walked out on their own and appeared on the steps without any problems at all. This always bothered me and questioned why they did that.
Jealous Kate couldn’t stand the fact that Meghan was having a beautiful wedding and made an exquisite bride. This profound jealousy of other women’s weddings comes from her feelings that she was short-changed on her own wedding day by her sister Pippa stunning as a bride’s maid and inadvertently stealing the limelight in her form fitting dress.
Pippa’s toned derriere even had its own social media account following the wedding, such was the impact she made!
Tears shed by Kate before Meghan’s wedding would have been tears of jealousy, bitterness, and rage. It must be painful to know that while William was so unsure of Kate being ‘the one’, he tried her out for a good ten years – whilst Harry met Meghan, loved Meghan, and married Meghan. Kate has every material advantage plus the hollow automatic status of being married to the future-future-maybe king- but you can neither buy nor fake true love, and this is what fuels Kate’s continuous passive-aggressive attacks on Meghan. The question remains whether Kensington Palace will finally reign in their unhinged duchess or leave her to painfully self-destruct. Because the truth is coming out.
I do not believe this story. I’m not saying that it couldn’t happen but why on earth during a dress fitting would you bring up staff to a woman who is jittery with nerves and on top of that had a sister and father who were complete and utter a$$holes. Furthermore, you who also married into the family should know better than anyone what kind of pressure your future sister in law was under and you came in to discuss that at that particular time? The only time someone does something like this is when they want to prove their authority and I think Kate wanted to be seen as reprimanding possibly the only new female (let’s not count Sophie who married into the family way before Kate came in) who would be below her in rank when she is alone.
I guess they’re trying to frame this as Kate was defending her staff and yeah sure if the story is true (which I don’t think so) but wrong time, wrong place.