As soon as I read the Hollywood Reporter’s article on the two women credibly accusing Chris Noth of rape, I sadly knew there would be more women speaking out. A man doesn’t just rape two women, eleven years apart, in a similar way, and those are the only two victims. Of course there are additional survivors out there, and my heart goes out to all of them. They can choose to tell their stories in their own time, or to not tell their stories, it’s their choice. The Daily Beast reports on yet another one of Noth’s victims. The woman is currently a 30-year-old tech executive, but when she encountered Noth, she was 18 years old, in 2010. She was a recent acting school graduate who worked part-time at the New York restaurant Da Marino as a hostess and singer. Noth behaved inappropriately with her whenever he came to Da Marino, and then one night, he tried to rape her in one of the backrooms, with what must have been the implicit or explicit “approval” of the Da Marino management:
When Noth came to Da Marino he was always intoxicated, claims Ava. “I cannot remember in detail how many times we spoke, but with great familiarity, one night he told my boss I would sing with him even though I hadn’t filled the restaurant yet.” They played characters in their song duets, and at his table, they talked about his career and her hometown of Toronto. “I love Canadian women,” she remembers him saying as he repeatedly pulled her onto his lap while groping her and “pressing me onto his erection.”
She says it confused her at the time because, on some level, it was exciting. She was getting the attention of Noth, whom she’d watched as the iconic character of Big on Sex and the City: “I remember how electrifying his hand, the hand I watched hold Carrie Bradshaw in Sex and the City, felt grabbing me.”
At the end of her shift, around 1 a.m., Ava’s manager informed her that he’d pay her in the office, which was accessible by way of the kitchen. As she gathered her coat and envelope of cash, the lights shut off behind her. She remembers that Noth had made his way into the office. “He acted as if we had intentionally snuck off together clandestinely,” she recounts. Instead, she found him “sloppy,” “heavy,” and “strong.”
“At first, it felt as though I was the only person in the universe who could hear me saying no,” she shares. She says Noth began kissing her and pressed her body against a desk. After pulling down her tights to digitally penetrate her, he felt her tampon. “I was so hopeful that would be the end of it,” she remembers. Instead, Noth asked if she was at the end of her period and continued to grope her. She slid into an office chair to create more distance and pressed her arms and legs against his body, pushing him away. “My limbs hurt in the morning.”
“He wasn’t hearing ‘no,’ but he heard me when I said ‘not here’ and convinced him that I would meet him somewhere else,” she explains. The idea of relocating to his home inspired Noth to stop and gave her the opportunity to escape the office and his grasp. Noth told her he would send a car once he got to his apartment. After Noth left the restaurant, Ava went home without the intention of going. He texted her from his home, awaiting her and asking for her address, but she never replied.
The following day, she called her parents, who had made friends with the owners and management of Da Marino when they’d visited New York. They listened to Ava’s story in disbelief, trying to make sense of a restaurant they believed would protect Ava like family. On a call with Ava, she says the owner rejected her claims about Noth: “They told me he [Noth] would never be interested in someone as insignificant as me. I never went back.” (Da Marino did not respond to requests for comment; the owner at the time, Pasquale Marino, passed away in 2015.)
As with the two women who spoke to the Hollywood Reporter, Ava’s claims are credible. She spoke to people hours after the assault happened, she spoke to her parents and she spoke to the management of Da Marino. She has, like so many survivors, also used social media to process her trauma, writing down her story on Facebook and other places. I believe her, 100%. I also believe that other people were involved, that she was seen by Da Marino’s management as expendable, a naive teenager, and she was “given” as a gift to a wealthy and famous patron of the restaurant. Which is disgusting.
Photos courtesy of Avalon Red, Backgrid.
Holy sh^t these stories. He is a monster. I don’t even feel surprised. Just sad. And kinda numb.
Da Marino the the jazz club I met him at in 2004. I detailed my experience with him in the other post. He was a regular there according to the owner, who was good friends with him. It was the owner who introduced me to him, along with some of the writers of Law and Order. Nothing surprises me about Chris, I experienced first hand what a sleazy creep he is.
I remember a friend of mine meeting him at a jazz club. She said he was entitled and expected her to give him a BJ under the table. Until your comment I had totally forgotten about it. This had 2000’s . I never liked him and I couldnt remeber why. Just thinking about this is making me sick. Hes a bastard.
did they know about this prior to filming And Just Like That…and thats why they killed him off..?
I’m not sure they knew, but HE knew this was coming – that’s why he gave the effusive quotes defending SJP a week or so ago – so she would defend him. I remember reading those and thinking, “What is this? So random – the timing makes no sense because no one is really asking for your opinion on this right now”. There was no real reason for him to come out and defend SJP all over the place – unless he knew this expose was coming out and he’d need her in his corner.
I think And Just Like That was warned that these stories were about to come out and they made a fast decision to kill off Big. It makes sense now because there are so many location shots of Big and Carrie shooting all over the place.
Interesting!
They did so many fake scenes for the paparazzi to hide Big’s death.
I don’t think they knew what was coming or they would have done the whole season differently, killed him off years ago so he wouldn’t be a prominent part of Carrie’s life and they could only mention him once or twice.
But with the way they did it, his death is Carrie’s main story line and he will get mentioned constantly.
They could have but it’s potentially more interesting if they allow Carrie to process in real-time that Big had a secret life all along, mirroring the real-life me-too crap we’ve all had to process in recent years. I don’t know if they’ll go there, there are hints of it, but they also seem to be leaning into the idea that Carrie was the love of his life. But I always thought he had a secret life, like doing big-time RE in NY during that time? Wanting to stay at her old apt a few days a week? Plus his history of cheating, how secretive he always was…
On a separate note, I so appreciate this site, it’s such a respite from comments elsewhere attacking the women. That instinct in our culture is beyond awful…
@Sue Denim- They should go there because he had to have had a secret life. A man doesn’t emotionally abuse you for years and then clean up after marriage. That’s not a thing.
Nah, they could have just Samantha-ed Big’s death if that was the case and avoided all of this. Peleton certainly wouldn’t have gotten involved. This storyline was also rumour death for the third movie that never was. It stinks to high heaven that HBO remains silent.
Yes, I remember SJP talking in interviews about the idea of killing off Big after that awful third movie, way before this current series was even greenlit. She’s going to have to say something soon.
I’m pretty sure the script leaked for the third movie that didn’t get made, and Big was killed off in that, so killing that character off is an idea they’ve had for at least five years. Plus I also remember Noth giving interviews way back in the day saying he’d played the Big character for so long that he didn’t really want to revisit it. So between him not wanting to play the character anymore, potential scheduling issues with his role on The Equalizer and the writers needing some kind of drama/storylines for a new series (seriously, nobody wants to watch a bunch of rich middle-aged white Manhattanites in happy marriages — boring!), Big was def going to bite the dust all along.
IMO no one knew these stories were going to pop. But SJP and Michael Patrick King had to know Noth was skeevy. They tried to thread the needle with Noth and the Mr. Big character because no one had come forward in all these years, even after MeToo. I have no sympathy for SJP and MPK, instead of letting sleeping dogs lie and being glad they dodged a bullet with Noth’s behavior, they just had to dredge up Mr. Big one more time. And now it has blown up in their faces.
I suspect people did come forward, but even on the MeToo era not all voices were heard.
And I believe at least SJP and some other higher ups knew it was coming. Just not sure when.
That is the first thing I thought as well.
Yep. I was thinking that as I was reading this. The show reacted ahead of these stories breaking.
I don’t think they cared. They killed him because he didn’t want to do more than an appearance. But from all these testimonies, he’s been a gross, drunk, assaulting DB for a very long time and the production never gave a damn. In their minds, who cares about 18yo hostesses anyway?
I doubt the show knew considering Chris did a bunch of interviews after the premiere episodes. He would have hid out instead of being visible. I’m still surprised by this. I guess because I would have thought it would have come out 3 or 4 years ago.
Yeah – I don’t think they knew or the *spoilers* Natasha story would have gone down differently. The whole point of the episode was to confirm to Carrie that they in fact had a “happy sad ending”. They left the marriage and trust in tact – they wouldn’t have done that if they knew this was coming.
Doubtful JLT or SATC cared about Noth’s crimes…seems the character is inspired by Trump who is equally gross & foul. ALSO, Big is portrayed as mythological by JLT writers—IF they knew and cared about the Noth crimes, they would have disappeared him a la Samantha.
I think the show is Dead forever, worse than an heart attack
I certainly HOPE it’s dead forever. There should never have been another version anyway!
@ minx, yes! This reboot was just to vanity piece for SJP since she is such a flop in movies except Hocus Pocus but she wasn’t the star, Bette Midler was and is. They are shooting HP 2 in NJ right now.
SJP and Noth can go away. I read that his agency dropped him. Good!! I hope he is sued out of his homes and a non actor.
We can hope!
I hope we won’t be policing her right to speak out based on her skin color like what happened in the comments on Friday’s story. This is terrible, what he did to any of his victims is terrible.
It’s also…. Chris Noth wasn’t that famous. He was TV famous. If one of the hundreds of detectives from Law and Order and the love interest on an HBO series can get away with being a serial predator, imagine what people who are Oscars and Grammys level famous are able to get away with, for decades. It’s awful to think about what a little power allows.
Honestly, it seems like the only way to influence these media companies is money. I am hoping the show tanks big time because of the allegations and that media companies think twice before hiring actors like Noth who could potentially be a financial drain. I know I sound cynical, but I think it’s kinda true.
No that’s completely true. As much as “cancel culture” seems to be a hot button issue, at its core it is people voting with their dollars because it is the only way some industries will listen.
And the “voting with their dollars” thing sometimes isn’t even focused on wanting to send a message. For me it’s sometimes as simple as “If I’ve got $15 or $20 to spend on xyz, I don’t want to put it the pockets of a jerk” and specifically in the case of media, entertainment, I don’t want to spend a second of my time in the company of rapists, abusers and a-holes, or to spend a second of my time contemplating their “art” or their product (ie when it’s the producers or BTS creatives who are shown to be awful people who have harmed others) Because so often their awful worldview corrupts their art and turns it into something that’s icky to see (and not in a “hard truths” about life way, but in a “what is WRONG with these people” way)
There have been many times when I’ve watched something – a movie, a tv show – and there’s been a storyline which was off in a vile or unsatisfying or ‘why are they telling THAT story and telling it THAT way?’ way … particularly ones where women and/or POC or vulnerable, non-powerful people were treated horribly (and sometimes “horribly” in a way that’s just this side of ‘acceptable’ or ‘normal’ or ‘oh, well, life is like that sometimes’ so it was hard to put your finger on exactly why it felt skeevy or unjust, etc, and the creators are like “we feel this trauma is important to the journey of the character … the haters just don’t understand our vision and true ART” ) and then, sometimes years later, it turns out TPTB or the creator or lead performer turns out to be a bigot, racist, misogynist, serial abuser, harasser and/or rapist (it’s almost always a multi-pack of a-holery) and I realize THAT’s why they went there on that show … they are morally corrupt, selfish, awful people.
So, no, I don’t want to give money to people like that. And over time, I’m developing a spidey-sense of where those snakes are hiding in the grass and will just tune out things that give that no-empathy, other people are less-than-human/ my playthings vibe. Or if I didn’t tune out fast enough, eventually see the awful ooze out. Woody Allen and his many many films about older men pairing up or trying to pair up with very young women or the Game of Thrones creators come to mind, with their excessive depiction of all things Roose Bolton on screen, at length, over and over again and eventual destruction of Daenerys as a character … of COURSE their choice for a new project would be one where the traitorous southern army won the first US Civil War and slavery stayed legal.
That’s not “cancel culture” where some monolith stamps someone out; that’s “I no longer am interested in what you, personally, have to sell or say and I no longer want to give you my money” personal freedom.
@ North of Boston, very good points. An unfortunate side effect is that there are sometimes new and important voices and talents that don’t get seen because they had the misfortune of working with someone who people have decided not to invest in. Not just actors or writers but make-up artists, costumers and the millions of people that make a movie or tv show come together and are hurt when the project doesn’t take off. It sucks because there’s no way to be like, “I’m seeing this movie because it looks great, it’s an adaptation of a young female author’s first book and the supporting cast is phenomenal and diverse. But please don’t give any money to the second lead actor, because it’s since come out that he is a sexual predator.”
****Now, if people *continue* to *knowingly* work someone who is known to be a terrible person that does terrible things, that’s an entirely different issue.*****
Maybe eventually it will be cheaper and easier to just reshoot things or digitally delete performances like they did with Kevin Spacey in that J. Getty movie.
The trauma and fear from not just a small group but an entire industry trying to shut you down when you stand up for your body and yourself is too enormous to capture, but I often think it explains what’s happened to Rose M. I don’t agree with where she’s focusing her anger but my heart bleeds for her nonetheless.
I also appreciate this site so much, and the culture here and with the commenters of believing women. (I also saw those comments your referring to and I’ve noticed an effort to use one valid and important issue to silence another.)
Rose M is a racist transphobe who tried to win Trump a second term. I have empathy for the things that allegedly happened to her, but her narrative is much more complicated than that of a victim.
@whoelse that’s also true. I mean, she says and does toxic things that repulse me. I’m not supporting or condoning her at all. I just suspect that she didn’t start off whole and after being assaulted she came out hating anyone she feels she can damage.
Broader point is not everyone can recover from SA to become a survivor. So the damage hurts society as well.
This is so awful. This poor woman. I’m glad she feels like she can tell her story. It seems clear that he’s a predator. So much for his “disgust” with his SATC fame–he used it to prey on people & even get others to assist him.
Too many industry people knew he was a rapist and an abuser, which is why his agency was so quick to drop him. They been knew.
His management dropped him? Must have missed that one, good to know.
the daily beast article mentioned his management dropped him iirc (i think it was DB, i read it yesterday not today) but that he had only been their client for 3 months. this begs the question why did his previous previous management drop him?
Hatlie 💯 agree. They all knew and looked the other way as long as the $$ came in while he destroyed lives. Disgusting behavior by all who protected and apparently in some cases helped him!
Doubtful. If they knew they would have fired him before. Trust me when I say, the shit actors do in their private lives often stays private even to their reps…
The Me Too movement taught us that the whole “If they knew, they would’ve fired him” thing is a lie. Harvey Weinstein. Bill Cosby. Arnie Hanmer, Casey Affleck, Kevin Spacey. Should I keep going?
People know, they just turn a blind eye, cover for predators and attack the character of the victims. Because the word about Chris Noth being abusive has been out at least since 1995 when Beverly Johnson made accusations against him and hit a restraining order. That didn’t stop Chris Noth from being cast on SATC’s original run a few years later.
The management absolutely knew and told her to get that envelope in the office with full knowledge Noth was going to prey on her. Probably coordinated. He probably pointed out whom he wanted and Da Marino management set it up. Absolutely horrific.
The late owner of the restaurant was also a sexual predator and had to settle a lawsuit with a former bartender. It wouldn’t surprise me if he was operating a sex-trafficking ring out of his restaurant.
I’m sort of shocked, yet not in the least bit surprised. She ought to sue Da Marino into oblivion.
but who would she be suing? the owner died in 2015. we don’t know anything about the current proprietors or what they do
Wasn’t there a story on here about that? Or was is a different restaurant?
I wouldn’t be surprised if this behavior was common with the NY restaurants that draw the famous and powerful.
@SpankyB, no, you’re right — the one mentioned in the Hollywood Reporter the other day was another one, Il Cantinori. They’re both fancy-ish Italian restaurants located not far from one another (I think just a few blocks away), and both are frequented by celebrities, so it’s easy to confuse them. I’ve been to both (years ago) and I *still* confuse them half the time.
The time he did it to the woman at Il Cantinori was particularly egregious because a popular SATC episode had been filmed there; Carrie went there for her birthday. So he knew how much more exciting it would be for a young SATC fan to actually be with him in a location from the show. It’s all so gross.
The same thing happened to me. When I was much younger I worked a couple of nights a week at a bar/restaurant owned by a couple of rich Moroccan guys. At the end of the evening one of them told me my pay envelope was in the office but there was also a surprise for me. When I went to get it one of his friends who *allegedly* ran a modeling agency and had been eyeing me up all night was there and asked if I’d ever consider modeling (I was pretty but def NOT the model type). When I said no he implied that he could make things happen for me if I was “willing”, then he grabbed me. I fought him off, ran out the door and never went back to the place. The owner totally set me up, offered me to him like a prize sheep. I feel so bad for all those women (and there must be dozens) who have been preyed on by Noth. The only thing that makes me happy is knowing that his career, and likely his marriage and relationships with his 2 sons is over. He is now poison in the industry.
Jaded, What The Actual F??? That is horrible. I am so sorry that happened to you.
Wow Jaded, that is terrifying, glad you were able to escape.
Sadly I think that sort of thing happens a lot – this restaurant owner in particular probably did this often for Noth, and for others.
The owner was just a sleazy as Chris.
I’ve wondered about this guy since Beverly Johnson told her story. So when this came out I was not surprised and there will be many more. It’s just crazy how shitty these men can be and how long they get away with it just because they are famous.
It is disappointing that even after MeToo, he was getting jobs. There’s no doubt that a lot people knew he was a predator but they still hired him just because no one publicly accused him of rape and sexual assault.
I know for a fact that many men are known predators and rapists and yet continue to get work in Hollywood and yes, collect their Oscars (and I imagine everywhere else, too- any industry that attracts young vulnerable women).
The only time they lose work is when this stuff becomes public as a movement, like one story after the other, at a time they are also relevant enough to warrant coverage and they have to be a household name. But think of all of the powerful men behind the camera and above the line. Most don’t have Harvey’s name recognition and thus don’t matter to the public and are still working even when known rapists.
It’s also true that unless a woman had power at a young age due to already being famous or family power, almost every successful woman in Hollywood has been through this and had to bury it to become successful. They deny it, because honestly it’s not a good brand look, but it’s all about power and everyone (unless related to famous people) starts off as prey.
From some of the stories that have come out, not even being related to famous people is a shield from predators.
yeah, even Goop experienced it. connections only offer so much protection.
These stories are horrible and absolutely credible. There is such a pattern here that I don’t see how people can deny this.
I don’t think the show knew this was coming out. Or if they knew, they didn’t think anyone would take it seriously and figured Noth could just blow off the allegations.
@Becks, I wonder if these scenes (flashbacks, I guess? Or dreams?) will be edited out now:
“While his character appeared to be killed off in the first episode from a fatal heart attack, and the second episode revolved around his funeral, the actor hinted he may be popping up in Carrie Bradshaw’s life again.
“I think there may be something. I can’t tell you what, but … there may be a little … there may be a haunting that happens,” Chris, 67, told Vogue, slyly adding, “I don’t know. I don’t want to get in trouble.”
“I don’t want to get in trouble”
WELL THEN.
Oh, of course. All the shows are doing it, to keep a favorite character showing up. Go to the light, Mr. Big.
@Observer, I know. There are so, so many things about him that look different now, in retrospect.
Well, he’s got the haunting part down cold.
Are we gonna stop saying “innocent until proven guilty” now or is 3 alleged victims coming forward enough? Or do the number of victims have to be Cosby or Larry Nasser numbers to be warranted as serious?
This man should be in jail.
Exactly. I don’t want to hear another word about “the timing of these accusations” – that’s upholding rape culture. Period.
Honestly, It’s weird that people think the timing is weird. Like, victims wanted to speak out after being unable to escape all the promo. I have no idea what Noth has been doing career wise between SATC and now. So, it’s not like he was everywhere like he is right now. Seeing him all over the place after a long time and being really triggered is why the timing makes sense.
seriously, the comments on the previous post were kinda sickening. like OF COURSE “the timing is ”’suspect”'” these women are having their rapist shoved in their faces by the media and he’s quote unquote “Winning” … that would be enough to trigger anyone to the point they actually might COME FORWARD.
The timing here is suspect, but not in that way. Nothing to do with the victims at all, and yes the story needed to be carefully vetted. What I find awfully convenient is that the Hollywood Reporter published just after he’s killed off on the show and not, say, just before the show was coming out? That was awfully convenient for SJP and the producers that this story was not out to overshadow the show’s launch. Coincidence? Sure…maybe.
So my question is what if anything did the producers know and what if any favours were called in to get the show out and promoted before this horror came out? Part of rape culture is what people are willing to prioritize.
No doubt the four stories we have heard are tip of the iceberg. There are and will be more. I hope everyone who wants to be is heard.
Thank you. If people knew how much corroboration went in to even getting one story published they might not be so quick to equate his unvetted denial with a vetted claim.
It’s also VERY interesting that he claimed the first two incidents were “consensual” when the women used pseudonyms… How do you know who they are, Chris? Hmmmm?
@Robyn such a great point. They all think it’s consensual. And they all hear No as a good opener.
Yep. He can’t imagine someone wouldn’t want to be with him.
Also wanted to add that if we had only believed Beverley Johnson way back when then maybe this guy wouldn’t have been out and about so freely, getting lucrative jobs and brand partnerships and abusing more women. Like she gave us all the heads up and no one listened.
It was the 90s and she was a black woman. Wasn’t gonna happen.
I work at an SA Agency, and statistically, between 2% and 8% are considered potential “false reports”. And of those 2% to 8%, several fall in the area of, “we have so little information that we can’t make a good determination”, which means the percentage is even lower. Also, I was assaulted when I lived in LA by a producer who still has a lot of pull and I reported – they tried like crazy to prosecute him, but he had a lot of power, and a solid MO that worked for him and Robert Shapiro as an attorney. SA is notoriously hard to prove because there are rarely witnesses. I was stalked and harassed until I left town – you don’t report something like this and open yourself up to the fallout unless it’s true. You just don’t. I keep waiting for his name to come up, but it hasn’t even though I was told by the investigators that he had a lot of other victims. Police work in this area is incredibly difficult and has such a low success rate – it’s exhausting and thankless. I believe all of his accusers.
And just like that…Noth has lost all possible appeal and looks like the shlubby predator that he is. I feel a strange sense of anger with myself for ever thinking he was cute. He’s like objectively gross to me now.
Ugh. I’m with you Maggi! I’m so enraged that I was a Big fan. Now I’m glad they killed him off.
I’m a young millenial, never seen an episode of SATC in my life. Even when people were fawning over him in the promos, i did not see the appeal. i have the weakness of being attracted to older men sometimes because i have daddy issues but he gave me the skeevies from the start.
I’m Gen X and personally never got his appeal, or ever liked his character at all, but a lot of people who watched the original SATC were shown him as some ideal man, Carrie’s soulmate, blah blah blah. And sicko that he is, he used that. All of the women telling their stories said they felt charmed by him, flattered by him and his attention, because of who he had played on TV.
Saw an episode of L&O he was in recently. His TV detective partner was played by Annabella Sciorra. I wonder if she knew and how hard that must have been for her.
She was being preyed on by Harvey Weinstein and she fought back. That’s why she was out of the show so quickly. Ugh these men.
Horrifying.
I feel so bad for all of these women and Chris Noth’s wife. He met her in 2001 when she was a bartender in her early 20’s (sound familiar?!) and they have since married and had two children. One of those kids was born in 2020 so she’s probably still dealing with hormones and everything else that comes in the first year and now has to deal with knowing her husband is a psycho rapist. He also told one of his victims something along the lines of “Marriage is a sham. Monogamy isn’t real.” FUCK this dude. While I hope his family is ok, he better never even get work in a hemmrhoids commercial, ever again.
I think she was 19 at the time
He’s so f-king gross. I can’t help but think about what he said about Kim Cattrall a few days ago. “I have absolutely no idea what her thinking is, or her emotions. I do know that I’m very close with SJ and [Cattrall’s] descriptions of her don’t even come close, […] I just wish that whole thing had never happened because it was sad and uncomfortable”
That last sentence replays in my head with every accusation that comes to light (kind of sarcastically tho). Of course, it doesn’t relay the gravity of everything but it shows a pattern – gaslight the accuser.
Noth is physically intimidating even when not drunk and aggressive.
Anyone else wondering if Kim Catrell knew about his behavior as well and was not only sick of SJP, but over SATC hiding what they knew about Noth, and KC was like “peace out.” ??
He looks downright seedy alot of the time — I don’t think the beard stubble fashion looks good on him.
Hmmm, interesting!
Kim Cattrall is the one who comes out of this looking the best. She knew that there was no public appetite for more SATC, and she wasn’t willing to put up with SJP’s crap. SJP just kept pushing this and pushing it and after it became clear there wasn’t going to be a third movie, we ended up with this. I’m *almost* glad she has a total shitshow on her hands now because she just would. not. let. Carrie. go.
The only silver lining is that Noth was finally exposed for what he is. But it’s as if the universe was trying to signal to SJP for YEARS that she should have left SATC in the past, but she’s still clinging to being Carrie Bradshaw.
@KMAC, imo they *all* must have known. He would have been vetted by HBO, and those Beverly Johnson stories were already out there. And I doubt he could hide his behavior from the entire cast for so many years. IMO they knew, but looked the other way.
I read accounts in the previous thread of him being nice to fans. He’s not a monster. He’s a human who has a big, big problem and needs to be held accountable. I hope he gets help. And I hope his wife and kids have all the support they need now.
If a repeat sexual predator isn’t a monster, then who is? Who cares that he was nice to fans? That’s a mask! He wasn’t so nice to the women he was raping!
The bar is so low, it’s in hell.
@Monica Many abusers and rapist are really charming to people they are not interested in targeting. He is a monster. He’s just good at hiding it from people he’s not interested in preying on.
as a matter of fact, they all do this, to provide cover for when someone finally speaks out. they will suck up to those they perceive as having some kind of clout, in the hopes of being defended/protected when the truth comes out.
Someone can be as nice as pie to 98% of the people they meet, but if they prey on, assault, harass, rape, or harm 2% of the people they come across, they are still monsters.
The “he was nice to fans” comments make me think of the people who rush to a predator’s defense …”he was never like that to much, so I’m sure he never harmed anyone” It’s putting blinders up because you don’t want your world view shattered. Some people are not very nice, yes, even people with big big problems (addiction, past trauma) …. what they should do is seek help BEFORE they go out and find victims to harm.
WTaF? What other sociopathic behavior gets the type of leeway a serial rapist does? Just yesterday someone was as saying accused rapists are more worthy of being believed than their accusers.
But to this particular point, sociopaths are narcissistic and anyone who knows a narcissist will tell you they can be charming AF. That does not equate to being a good person.
Right. Just ask Ted Bundy’s victims. Oh, wait, they’re not here to ask(most of them).
Being charming, good looking or successful doesn’t equate to being a good person.
Sure. And Kyle Rittenhouse cleaned up graffiti, Ted Bundy volunteered, John Wayne Gacy was a clown for kids… no need to humanize men who don’t see certain groups of other people as human.
@Monica, I’m one of the commenters who said he was nice to fans because he *was* very nice the one time I met him, but I ALSO said that means nothing w/r/t his true character, that I absolutely believe the women, and that I want to find and burn the photo I took with him.
I only told that story to explain why I actually *was* surprised when these allegations came out, because so many other people seemed to not be surprised at all — but in no way was that meant as a defense of him. At all.
I’m not sure if you were referring to me or not, but I don’t think there were any other “but he was nice to fans!” comments, so in case you were, I just wanted to clarify. Yes, I was initially surprised when I first saw the headline, but read the article and immediately believed every word of those victims’ accounts. The fact that he was cool to my friend and me for a few minutes one time almost two decades ago, and talked to us/posed for a photo, means absolutely NOTHING. I was merely explaining why I was surprised to learn how horrific he actually is.
Please don’t get me wrong. I also believed the women IMMEDIATELY. I just don’t think it’s a good idea to call people monsters.
But I can’t blame anyone here who has.
Toxic narcissists like Noth don’t for a minute believe they need help, nor would they voluntarily undergo therapy. They think they’re omnipotent which is why they rape. They don’t do it for sexual gratification, they do it because it makes them feel powerful. This particular type of mental disorder is not curable and no amount of tea and sympathy will help them to become better people.
I’m going to cosign with the commenter upthread about model Beverly Johnson. Her story of abuse by Chris was headline news. She named her abuser. Took him to court. Got a restraining order. In 1995. Those of us who paid attention and believed her then are not surprised now.
I was in college in 1995, rarely watched tv, had just leaned about web browsers, and had never heard of Chris Noth. But based on what you’re saying, I’m disgusted this wasn’t bigger news in the late 90s/early 00s when his star was on the rise. (I know he was on L & O pre SATC but I never saw his L & O episodes until years later in syndication).
Same here, I had no idea that even happened. I’m so sorry for what Beverly went through, and how she must be feeling today.
I’m also sorry that wasn’t enough to kill his career, because he went on to plenty of success that allowed him to continue manipulating and assaulting women.
I remember when this happened, I was a People magazine reader at the time & a Newsweek reader at the time, so I read it in one or both of those. It completely colored my thinking of Noth (I had been a fan of his in L&O) & never liked him in anything again. When he did L&O CI, I stopped watching that show entirely because of him. He just always came across as skeevy & awful & arrogant. I feel badly for every woman who has ever had to work for him or with him. Or even just encountered him on the street. I hope there’s a full reckoning for this guy.
This is exactly how I felt about him after Beverly’s disclosure.
I only knew him from his ‘The Good Wife’ character—whom I absolutely loathed. I don’t know him from SATC, but it seems like even his TV characters are cheating, narcissistic, abusive, gaslighting, lying arseholes. I hope he faces criminal charges. My thoughts are with all of his victims 💔
How did I forget that Big was elected to office in Illinois and continued to be a serial cheater? There are so many great actors/characters in that show that he’s very forgettable but yeah he seems to play that role pretty consistently.
The only way for Noth to face any criminal charges would be if the statute of limitations has not expired on any of these allegations. It’s a complicated issue for sure – look at the Bill Cosby case!! All those victims, and only one accuser landed him jail for that reason. Then he was let out later on a fucking legal technicality! It’s horrific! Matt Lauer is still a free man! I hate that is so hard to put these predators away, but that is the truth of our legal system.
I REALLY find it hard to believe the producers of SATC had no clue about any of this, with regards to Chris Noth. Just like Harry Weinstein, most industry people seemed to at least know rumors of such things (like Kevin Spacey, Woody Allen etc.). It just seems very strange to me.
I applaud all these women coming forward. I know it’s brutal and I commend their bravery!
From a survivor of rape: you can take your “esoteric spirituality” and shove it where the sun doesn’t shine.
I totally agree – I’ve been sexually assaulted several times and “esoteric spirituality” is not a part of any man’s psyche who rapes.
While you’re not wrong, I was replying to a comment that was deleted while I was posting it.
*hugs*
@Margaret Sadovsky — I had replied to it too but my response was deleted as well. Hugs back!
it may not be “part of his psyche” but I can tell you that there are rapists and abusers in those communities as well. it makes a great cover story for them!
I’ve seen so many people talk about his gross predatory behavior since the Hollywood reporter article broke out. So it was a well known fact. There is no doubts they are still a lot of victims.
This is a similar experience to a plot line in law and order SVU early this season which I think suggests a lot of rich/infamous men in New York and high-end bars are probably like this. And these restaurant/bar owners likely encourage it telling them she wants you etc etc anything to get them in more often, spending more money, with no regard for the fact that the young waitress is an actual person and this sort of lie puts her in danger. Very much a sacrifice yourself for the rich client because they’re more valuable than you are.
Good for her speaking out. I hope more people who have similar stories about anyone feel empowered to point the fingers at the men who deserve to be outed as cretins. Pretty sure facilitating a rape is a crime
Also maybe a good time to let people know that RAINN has a 24-hour sexual assault hotline – it’s not just for current reporting, it’s for historical abuse and trauma as well. There are hundreds of sexual assault agencies around the country funded by Violence Against Women Act funds that provide services FREE of charge (high-quality trauma-informed counseling, crisis care, hotlines, etc). There is no such thing as “it was too long ago” to reach out for care and reclaim your story. You can also report to police even if the statute on your case has passed – if the story is found to be credible (you never know what they might already have on someone and your story might very closely match another victim’s) you can be called as a credible witness (your choice to do so or not) in a case that is still within the statute of limitations. Hope it’s OK to offer this.
Thank you for posting that, always good to remind people there is help out there if they need it, and to remind others to support groups such as RAINN.
I don’t even know for some of these women if the social media revelations are to “process their trauma,” although that would be perfectly acceptable and worth supporting. I’m a bit pragmatic and if I’d been assaulted by someone with this type of power and support, I would definitely want to add the weight of my voice to that of the first to go public, so they’d be believed. Or take the opportunity to keep pushing my story to the public after I’d calculated it wouldn’t be worth it closer to the time of the assault. And both of those things would be less about whether he’s allowed continued success and more about ensuring he can’t keep doing this to women unchecked. At the very least, this is now reamplified to be a loud enough warning shot that most women will be able to stay safe from the scenarios the victims are describing.
Wait, also, where is SJP with a statement?! It’s been days! All i see when I search is that Bridget Moynihan and Kristen Davis are avoiding questions/answering on the topic.
Let’s not make women answer for men’s bad acts. Those women are not responsible for what Noth did and we have no idea what they did or did not know.