The Windsor clan and the British media are desperate to humiliate Prince Harry. That’s why they continue to drag Harry into every conversation about Prince Andrew, and that’s why there’s a very concerted effort being made to equate the two situations. Again, Prince Harry left the UK as they were actively trying to bully him and exile him out of the country. Harry left because he needed to protect his wife and child, and the British establishment ripped him to shreds because of it. Andrew was stripped of his HRH and patronages because he was BFFs with a pedophile and a human trafficker and he lost in court last week. But please, allow the British media to continue to equate the two men. Apparently, both Harry and Andrew will be removed as Counsellors of State.
Prince Andrew and Prince Harry face a new double humiliation as royal officials are mulling ways to remove another of their significant roles, while also denying them Jubilee medals like other veterans. Buckingham Palace officials are now considering how to remove the role of Counsellors of State from the Duke of York and the Duke of Sussex – a potentially significant position that the pair still possess.
Palace sources confirmed they are still two of the four Counsellors of State, who would be called upon to take the place of the Queen if she were unable to carry out her duties because of illness or absence abroad. They would be authorised to carry out most of the official duties of the monarch, including signing important documents, attending Privy Council meetings and receiving the credentials of new ambassadors to the UK. The other two Counsellors of State are Prince Charles, who is heir to the throne, and William, who is second in line.
A royal source said: ‘It is a genuine problem that the Palace is looking to address. Can you imagine the Duke of York having to sign official documents, for example, because the Prince of Wales and the Duke of Cambridge were both abroad, and the Queen became ill? It’s not an exaggeration to say it could put the monarchy in jeopardy.’
A Buckingham Palace spokesman declined to comment, but sources suggested that Andrew, 61, and Harry, 37, could not be stripped of their roles without an Act of Parliament having to be passed first. By law, the counsellors of state are the monarch’s spouse and the next four people in the line of succession who are over the age of 21. If Andrew and Harry were removed they could be replaced by Princess Anne and Camilla.
‘There could be events later this year which make such a change necessary,’ the source said in an apparent reference to the outcome of Andrew’s court case in the US and the publication of Harry’s forthcoming memoirs.
In a further blow to Andrew and Harry, they will also now both not be eligible for the Queen’s Platinum Jubilee medal next month having lost their honorary military titles, according to the Daily Telegraph. The commemorative medal will be awarded on February 6 to mark the Queen’s 70 years on the throne and given to serving members of the Armed Forces, police, fire, emergency and prison services. Members of the Royal Family holding honorary military titles will also be eligible – and the only veterans who receive the award will be recipients of the George Cross or Victoria Cross. Now that Harry and Andrew have lost their military titles, this means the duo will be treated like all other veterans and not receive the special medal.
There was a similar story last fall, about how Buckingham Palace wanted to replace Andrew and Harry as counsellors of state and replace at least one of them with the Duchess of Cornwall. That story happened just after the Queen’s mysterious overnight hospitalization for her mysterious ill health. At the same time the Queen was cancelling all of her public appearances and going on “light royal work,” both Prince William and Prince Charles were out of the country – William was on vacation (obvs) and Charles was working and making appearances at the G7. Andrew was, for a time, the only Counsellor of State in the country while the Queen was in bad shape. All of this means that royal asses must be covered, and they refuse to go through with yanking Andrew off the Counsellors of State list unless they can also do the same to Harry.
As for the medals… literally who cares. It’s another f–king joke, these people have no idea how bad and petty they look. They’re about to deny a special medal to the only royal man of his generation to serve in combat. But they’ll give keen medals to other royals!
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this is hyperbole to rile up tabloid readers, it clearly says in the text of the article “could not be stripped of their roles without an Act of Parliament having to be passed first. By law, the counsellors of state are the monarch’s spouse and the next four people in the line of succession who are over the age of 21. ”
the BM just continually churns out false click bait to rile the keyboard warriors
According to the royal website the counsellors are limited in powers anyway. I can see how it would be embarrassing to have Andrew doing things but he’s what they deserve and is a proper face for the monarchy anyway.
Don’t CoS have to be living IN the country at time of service? That lets Harry out automatically as he resides here now.
@Jan90067
Also, Edward is in line ahead of Anne, so it would be Camilla and Edward anyway. Although technically Beatrice and Eugenie are ahead of them both until Charles becomes king, then Camilla would be automatically as spouse of the monarch.
@Jan90067 … Harry still claims the United Kingdom as his country of residence. He has not yet applied for American citizenship; which I doubt he could do as a member of the British Royal Family. The fact that he hasn’t traveled to England enough to establish continued residency wasn’t his call or his fault. It was due to COVID travel restrictions, which affected everyone and over which no one had any control. Harry said last year that if not for COVID, he and would have already made 5 or 6 trips back to England.
@Jan90067 – I said below the Wikipedia entry a couple of years ago mentioned the requirement that counsellors be domiciled in the UK, but when I checked in the last year or so, that stipulation was no longer there. But – just looked again; that page was updated last month, and once again states the requirement that the counsellor be domiciled in the UK. (The previous page iteration might have said for at least six months, but am not sure). Anyway, had a previous discussion on here about what exactly domiciled means – I don’t fully recall the details, but it seemed like the fact that Harry’s being out of the country might NOT eliminate him, that there might be a difference between residence and domicile? The page on the RF website doesn’t mention this at all.
How does Camilla get in there? She’s the the spouse of the future monarch, not the current queen.
@whatever … Exactly. And even if Camilla were the current queen, she is not in the line of succession so how could she even be considered for such a position?
@Yvette – the counsellors are the spouse of the monarch, and the next four people in the line of succession. If Charles were the monarch, Camilla would be in that position.
It’s also to continue attacking Harry and Meghan by equating them (in any way possible) to Andrew. Every time Andrew is mentioned, they will bring in comparison to the “similar” situation Harry is in. This is deliberate, and I suspect being guided from the royal family (Charles and/or William).
They tried to make Meghan look bad by *comparing* her to Kate, but that backfired and simply made Kate look pathetic. So now a new approach could be to *equate* Harry/Meghan and Andrew.
At this point, I doubt that the Queen or Harry will be at the jubilee.
+1.
@Popsicle W: By the sounds of it, Harry won’t be there.
I don’t think she’s well enough for the jubilee and with the new variants, it will be canceled. Like seriously why have superspreader events for a woman who raised these racists? Ppl are pointing out how the funds should be going to food banks and to help the poor, not celebrate an unelected official
I mean, I think it may make sense to remove Harry as a counsellor of state. He’s in California, if there was an emergency it would be harder for him to get there than someone who is based in the UK. But the way they are phrasing this, like its a punishment because his actions are equal to Andrew’s, is just gross. Same with the medals. To keep talking about Harry and Andrew in the same breath like that is disgusting.
With global communications, does it matter if a counsellor of state is out of the country – even if it were Charles or William?
I don’t know, it just seems like if one of their big jobs is to sign documents, in person would be better? But it is 2022 and zoom and digital signatures are everywhere, so maybe not. But on the same note – like you said, if the CoS is out of the country (like Harry), and can still perform the role, then why would it be an issue for William or Charles to do it? Like if Charles is traveling, then he can surely function as CoS just as much as Harry can, right? Maybe its one of those things where decades ago having several made sense but maybe now just one or two would be fine.
Just to note – the next people in line (over 21) are Beatrice and Eugenie, then Edward after them, so not sure how Camilla and Anne are supposed to be substituted.
But, when I looked up about Counsellors a couple of years ago, I also read they had to be “domiciled” in the UK (I think for at least six months). I recall having a conversation on here about what “domiciled” meant, if one had to be physically present or if other circumstances applied. Granted, I read that on Wikipedia, and it’s no longer referenced there and isn’t on the royal site, so maybe that information was wrong.
@Becks1 – yes, it seems antiquated, because when Charles becomes King he will still be in communication with the UK when he’s traveling. The president of the United States is still president when traveling, and his job actually means something.
Agreed. The rhetoric is appalling, and really, it doesn’t make the royal family look great to push this false equivalency.
It’s incredibly gross that they are acting like Harry and Andrew’s positions are the same. One of the rules for being a counselor of state is that you live in the UK. So, Harry being removed from the position isn’t a surprise or a punishment. If Harry moved back to the UK than he would be reinstated. The counsellors of state are just the monarch’s spouse and the next 4 in line for the throne that are over 18 and live in the UK. The Queen made special rules for her mother and her sister when they lost their positions, but they still met the criteria of living in the UK.
Andrew, on the other hand, fits all the necessary criteria. So, it is a punishment and pretty serious. It’s like unofficially taking him out of the line of succession. Not that he was ever going to get the throne, but that is a huge blow to Andrew who defines himself by his position.
The positions will go to Beatrice and Eugenie. Camilla can’t be made one without the Queen creating a new rule and she wouldn’t take the place of an heir regardless. There would just be an extra person.
I think it makes sense for Harry to be removed, because you just know that if any stupid decisions are made (like the Queen’s continual protection of Andrew, or any other dumb decision the palace makes) they will somehow spin it to being Harry’s fault. William and Charles will not accept the blame for anything. They will lie and deflect, but if they cannot get away with that, they will look for a scapegoat. Harry should just cut all ties with them.
Looks to me like a better argument could be put forth for revoking any powers of the monarchy and making them completely figureheads IF they are kept at all. If you’re going to have to change laws anyway, make it a real change.
Harry has medals that he actually earned in combat in a warzone so I doubt he’s bothered by a meaningless ceremonial trinket that is basically a participation trophy.
Yeah I have to think being removed as a counselor of state won’t mean too much to him either. “We aren’t going to let you play kings and queens with us any more!”
I feel like screaming it to the rooftops. HARRY AND ANDREW ARE NOT THE SAME. I hate how they keep putting their situations in the same breath like both did awful things. Hate it so much.
Who cares about a medal? This is just so dumb. And so tone deaf that it blows my mind. Read the room, please! I cannot believe this mess.
More stuff and nonsense to detract from Andy. But weird because this just reminds folks Andy is still a counsellor. The BM is talking out both sides of their mouths.
I really do hope that Harry and Meghan and their babies never set foot on that god forsaken island again.
Why do they keep throwing Harry’s name with Andrews are they trying to make it what they did was equal, is that how the rf see it. I see they haven’t learned their lesson. Ffs.
It’s called deflect and distract — the oldest trick in the book to deliberately redirect attention away from one issue to focus on another, much less important issue. The BRF leaks negative info to the rota bottom-feeders about the Sussexes in order to take the spotlight off their own crimes and misdemeanors. But it appears Meghan and Harry are always one step ahead and shut the lies down immediately.
Sometimes I wonder what part of “Goodbye, I’ve left the country and live on another continent for years now” does the British Media not understand? Stories like this, attempting to equate Harry’s position and actions to save his family with Andrew’s kiddie-diddling just reveal more about the BM and Royal Family than anything else.
I learned a new? word the other day. Sparple.
https://twitter.com/susie_dent/status/1483017955902435331?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Harry is not bothered possibly being removed as a counsellor of state. He knew this in Jan. 2020. He isn’t bothered by not getting some new shiny medal that others that didn’t deserve to receive were given. Just like OBE’s and other such things. Harry understands the rules and he was good with giving some things up. p.s. he also knows the precedence that was set for the application for police protection.
Harry has received the support of Army’s/Armies? globally. He knows the game being played in the BM. You could ask almost anyone “Who would you want protecting you, William or Harry?”. You could go back ’til forever and the answer would be Harry. Always.
https://ukconstitutionallaw.org/2020/01/21/craig-prescott-harry-and-meghan-regency-counsellors-of-state-and-a-slimmed-down-royal-family/
Harry (and Meghan) not being there and pushed out by by William & Kate because of their jealousy hurt the monarchy. On a global level. Racism by W&K/grey men played a big part. Will & Kate’s jealousy over the charismatic dynamic coupling of Harry & Meghan..shook them.imo
Comparing Harry to Andrew in any context is spurrious. Guess what BM? You look even more foolish on a global level than ever.
So the medal will go to those currently serving in various fields and to “honorary” RF members who have done NOTHING but pretend to be military but not to actual combat veterans who have retired unless they have won certain other medals. Why not to all who have actually served if you are giving to all who are currently serving regardless of higher honors? There’s no reasoning to me.
I hope Harry’s not too bothered by this. I fear he might be, tho. This is still his family and his nation being assholes. And that stings no matter how great your new family is.
If you recall in TMYCS as well as on the DaxShepherd podcast, Harry has clearly learned how to handle the vitriol spewed at him by the remainer-welfare royals & their media agents, as well as hateful trolls.
In brief: if he sees/hears whats being said, he acknowledges to himself if it has an effect on him (hurt/anger/etc) then he turns it around on the person doing it and acknowledges that they must be motivated to spew such bile at a stranger, from a place of pain/unresolved mental health issues/agenda-driven/etc. And finally, he asks rhetorically: what happened to you (as in – Oprah’s bk.)
[See: What Happened to You?: Conversations on Trauma, Resilience, and Healing – by Oprah Winfrey & Bruce Perry.]
Hey, looks like Edward will get his jubilee medal/ribbon and proudly display it on his military uniform. He gets it for marking time.
Ok, so Harry will be treated like all the other veterans, which is probably what he wants anyway. If I were to criticize, I’d say the Queen should honor all the veterans who have served under her reign.
Better yet take the millions probably being spent on this nonsense to do something actually beneficial for the veterans.
“By law, the counsellors of state are the monarch’s spouse and the next four people in the line of succession who are over the age of 21. If Andrew and Harry were removed they could be replaced by Princess Anne and Camilla.”
How is Camilla in the line of succession? This right here tells you this article is garbage.
LOL the next two people are Beatrice and Eugenie!
They don’t just get to pick and choose. Edward and Anne rank below Beatrice and Eugenie. If Harry and Andrew are removed, Beatrice and Eugenie are moved up. Technically, Camilla is only allowed once she’s the spouse of the monarch. If they went with a legal Regency that might chance.
Blessing in disguise if you ask me. Harry doesn’t need to preside over the dumpster fire that is the monarchy on any level.
I agree, the less hold they have over Harry the better. I think the only thing that Harry is probably insistent on is security for him and his family.
Definitely have agree with you.
Poor Andrew! I’m sure that he had one of his many Bedtime Bears primed to wear the shiny new medal (barf). But as for Harry – I doubt he cares about being a Counsellor or about receiving a nonsense medal. His life is heading in a very different and far better direction now.
No worries. The pedo’s mommy will slip his to him when no one is looking. LMAO
I doubt Harry’s concerned about this. They’ve done worse to him.
They should have pulled the CofS positions long ago. Harry is not in the UK and Andrew is unfit to serve for obvious reasons. But putting Harry in the same boat as Andrew is foul. Pull the medal for Andrew but not Harry. Harry I believe has the Victoria Cross.
But look at who is being considered as the replacements? Camilla who is QC in waiting. Not Kate, who had that big 40th birthday embiggening campaign, should have her hat in the ring. Not even the York princesses, 10th and 12th to the throne? BP is announcing Kate, Beatrice and Eugenie don’t have what it takes to advise the Crown.
I think Harry had the Royal Victoria Order, not the Victoria Cross. The Royal Victoria Order is one of those “service to the Queen” things that she can hand out to anybody, but the Victoria Cross is like the Congressional Medal of Honor in the US – risk of life and valor in the face of the enemy, and rarely given.
So Edward still gets his medal? Cool.
My goodness!! What a dilemma of the RR’s having to find a way in which they can include an article that references Harry. Aw yes! That’s it, we will plug him in with a rapist who is an utter disgrace to the RF as well as the Prince Harry who abandoned US to protect his wife and children. How could Harry do this to us?? Doesn’t he know we have summer properties to pay for and mistresses to pay for?
Another hit job by the RR’s who are hell bent on dragging Prince Harry in with a rapist and a man who trades on his position in pay-to-play scheme. How utterly pathetic the entire bunch is!!
Oh goody. More useless medals on gaudy uniforms that make the wearers look even more ridiculous than dictators of banana republics .
It seems like with that letter from the military demanding the removal of Andrew, the royal family is left reeling and were forced to remove Andrew. They would not have done it otherwise. They are taking all their anger out on Harry. Notice the Sussexes were very quiet this month until that security issue was planted in the tabloids to crest a fake scandal. They keep wanting to pair Harry with Andrew, which is really spiteful. They’re not remotely the same and they are actually more angry at Harry for leaving. The royal family is a flaming hot mess, of their own making, and they are just stumbling. There is no unity or cohesion and they are so determined to have Harry as their scapegoat.
Harry doesn’t need more shinny objects to look at, he can just pull up a picture of William head if he needs one.
Harry didn’t rape . He choose his black wife over a racist institution. Suck on it you bitter Betties
It makes me angry to see Harry and Andrew in the same sentence or uttered in the same breath.
Why wouldn’t Beatrice and Eugenie be next to replace Harry and Andrew? They just skipped over Beatrice, Eugenie and Edward.
There is no need to remove Harry as he is already disqualified not being domiciled in the Uk.
Camilla would only ever qualify as the spouse of the monarch.
All of this reads as The Firm should be abolished once Betty kicks the bucket.
I mean…..
Simple solution. Tell the lazy Cambridge’s that they can’t schedule vacations when Charles is away on official trips. That is what is being overlooked. There is all this talk about the Cambridge’s stepping up. Having more responsibility but the Queen was hospitalized and Charles was away working and they still toddled off on vacation. That means the institution was not concerned at all about William’s availability or input.
Wow! Talk about tone deaf. They do know that the rest of the world could see this crap, right? Raping a trafficked minor is equated to what Harry did. It does make me wonder what’s wrong with the collective reasoning on that island. I wonder what other people in the world think? Do you think the RRs are trying to take the Monarchy down?
I think they are purposely skipping over B&E because they are non working royals and the rr like to blame all insults to Harry on no longer being a working royal.
Good Golly! The BM and RF know how to elevate the Sussexes around the world with their nonsense. Wow! Keep talking and the idiots reveal themselves for the world to see. Meanwhile the measured responses of the Duke and Duchess of Sussex show a royal and classy couple.Bravo!
They’re fucking ridiculous, how can they not realize how bad comparing Harry leaving and writing a memoir to Andrew being a pedo-rapist is?