Last week, Clarence House leaked a story about Prince Charles and his conversations with Prince Harry. According to “royal sources,” Charles and Harry were back to talking on the phone sometimes, and Charles extended a specific olive branch to Harry, suggesting that if Harry wants to bring his wife and children for a visit to the UK, then they should stay with Charles. Presumably at Highgrove. Charles definitely wants to milk the “poor grandfather hasn’t seen his grandchildren” angle, while completely ignoring Harry’s legitimate concerns about the safety of his family. Well, there’s more about Harry and Charles’s conversations now: apparently, there were “secret talks” and Harry was the one to reach out:
Prince Harry has held secret talks with Prince Charles in a bid to heal their rift ahead of the Queen’s Platinum Jubilee. It follows Harry’s claims he’s been stripped of money and security. He is said to have “reached out” to his father and Palace officials expect him to return to the UK this summer, even if it’s on his own.
Our source said: “There has been a definite thaw in relations between Harry and Charles. They are on much better terms and have been having friendly chats and video calls. It has been suggested to Harry he may live to regret any lingering family bitterness, and he has taken that on board. There is a feeling he is coming back more into the fold and wants to be closer to his family.”
The Royals are expecting Harry to return from his California home for the Queen’s Platinum Jubilee in June, but it could be without Meghan, 40, Archie, two, and seven-month-old Lilibet. It is not yet clear if Harry, 37, will return for Prince Philip’s memorial, expected in March or April. Buckingham Palace was approached for comment.
This too is coming from Clarence House. It’s not enough to promote Charles-as-family-diplomat, the wise family healer who extends olive branches to wayward family members. No, Charles also has to let people know that Harry is apparently eager to reconcile, and they’re even suggesting that Harry might be acknowledging his own bad behavior… or something. Notice how tricky the language is around that. That’s because they can’t really pull it off and say: HARRY APOLOGIZED! Because A) no one would believe it and B) he has nothing to apologize for. These a–holes have smeared him and his wife and put them in danger and threatened his family. Anyway, Charles is really trying to thread the needle on this one. It’s pretty interesting.
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At first, it was Charles reached out and issued an olive branch.
Now, it’s Harry reached and wants to come back home minus his family of course.
And tomorrow, we will hear that Kate was the peacemaker who facilitated all of this and once again its stories coming from the nameless ‘sources, friends and people close to the situation’
Ah yes, Kate, Our Lady of Button Diplomacy.
how can there be so many leaks? can you imagine a company anywhere in the world working like this? this is so unprofessional…..a clown show really!
Something odd is afoot. The story changed last night to MH will stay with Charles to get security. Neither story had much staying power on DF and quickly disappeared way down the page. I think it’s CH trying to turn tables on Harry. Look for William to put foot down and mess it up by Wednesday
I believe this is a fabricated story. The first one had a positive, welcoming tone and was definitely from Clarence house because it gave loads of specific detail about Charles having had video chats and telephone calls with his son during the past year (2021) and extending the invitation during this past Holiday season for them to stay with him when next they visit England.
This one reads more like one of the ‘aides/staff’ sourced stories prior to Harry and Meghan leaving in that the tone is ‘snippy’ and ‘shady’ and more in line with those old ‘Oh, look he’s crawling back on his knees because he knows he must bend to our will and apologize for upsetting the Royal family and here are our conditions for them to do so’ leaks. This one reads more like supposition than fact. There is also also a bit of ‘and don’t bring that woman with you if you come!’ sentiment about this as well.
Nope. Not buying it. I think this story came from a Palace aide (not necessary at Buckingham Palace), a staff member, or the mind of a Sun royal reporter.
Always remember: H&M said if it doesn’t come from THEM, DO NOT BELIEVE it.
^^ Exactly @Jan90067! This amounts to nothing more than continued palace briefings to the media, and as @Kaiser said, it’s coming from Clarence House. None of the royal palaces know how to be discreet. They don’t even understand the meaning of discreet!
I won’t believe anything said about the Sussexes, until we hear it from them, and it’s verifiable. Plus, the royal firm a’holes are the ones who need to publicly APOLOGIZE to Harry and his wife, Meghan, for all the vile crap that has been hurled at them. The firm particularly needs to put out a statement posthaste walking back and apologizing for the false ‘bullying’ allegations against Meghan!!!
OH — the language is super tricky.
“It has been suggested to Harry” — by whom, when, what exactly was said, in what context.
“he may live to regret any lingering family bitterness, and he has taken that on board” — did someone make a threat, who did, did Harry acknowledge it, agree with it, or give in to threats.
“There is a feeling he is coming back more into the fold” — who has this feeling, how did this feeling come about, did anyone say Harry would do this, did Harry say it, did any actions take place that changed the “feeling”
“ There is a feeling he is coming back more into the fold and wants to be closer to his family.”
Now that’s a damn lie. Harry ain’t returning to the fold. If Harry is reaching out it’s to convince Charles to give his family security for UK visits.
Yup!
“I’ve seen behind the curtain, I’ve seen the business model, I know how this operation runs and how it works. I don’t want to be part of this.“
No way is Harry longing to re-enter that web of mendacity.
Right on, Snuffles. As a fairly new father himself, it wouldn’t surprise me that Harry would want to smooth out his relationship with his own father. But that in no way describes a “return to the fold,” lol. That’s just delusional.
That’s where they told on themselves. “Coming back more into the fold”?!? Yeah, no. I don’t how many times and every-which-way this man has to say he’s had ENOUGH and he’s not falling for the okey-doke anymore with these people. You tried it though, Chuck.
There is a feeling that the family would like to take credit for Harry and Meghan’s accomplishments since the “young” and “keen” generation have nothing to show for themselves.
100% agree with you
H’s family is Meghan, Archie and LiliDi — when are these imbeciles ever going to understand that? Charles and his snakes are his relatives
@vs
LOL OMG! I JUST said this to myself in Harry’s voice as I imagine him saying this in exasperation in the very near future.
I hope so much that he finds a reason for saying this very soon so we can enjoy the slap in the face that it wd be to all monarchists.
Coming back into the fold… just sounds ominous with these people. Come back into the fold so we can control you forever. Ew. Harry wants to go back for his grandmother. After that, Charles will be begging for a phone call.
This sounds like a cult trying to get its wayward member back to “rehabilitate” him.
Charles is such a coward. He never ‘tries’ William like this. We will see who he really sides with once he ascends the throne.
What I don’t understand is why, if Charles is such a doting grandfather, we don’t hear about him spending lots of time with the Cambridge grandkids.
That and notice how it says ‘without meghan and the children’? That is what they want. That he comes back alone. What a ‘doting’ grandfather indeed
It’s so comical that both CH and the tabloids are pushing this angle. Sh*t got real when they realized that Harry is legit not coming back to the UK for any reason at this point thanks to their security shenanigans. The money-maker will remain in Montecito. Enjoy the budget royals!
Can’t Charles very easily hop on a plane to the states if he wants to see his grandchildren? The answer is Yes he can! Poor me card doesn’t work here.
Yes!!! You want to extend an olive leaf Chaz? Why don’t you and Cam get your asses on a plane to California? It appears that you are both healthy enough to go to Dubai, or wherever it was, but you can’t get on a plane to California? Stick your olive leaves in your ears and stick your head back where is has been the last 4 years!! 🙄
Even worse, his tampon ass flew to Barbados for their changing over from a monarchy to a republic, just to show his “compassion” regarding what happened to them regarding slavery. After that, he couldn’t take that same plane to the states to see his grandchildren.
This is the same man who complained that the Middletons see the children more than he did when he could’ve driven over to see the kids. What a selfish, self-centered clown he is. He and Brexit U.K. deserve each other!
Charles could fly off and see the grandchildren and could have done so a long time ago.
Why assume Charles would be welcome in California?
Probably Harry calling to ask for news about his Gran and Chuck is totally misrepresenting the reasoning for the calls.
Harry has said that he’s in regular contact with the Queen, he doesn’t need to go through Charles to find out how she is.
If she were to be in a bad shape would she be able to answer though?
I dunno man. I feel like after the Lilibet naming fiasco, the courtiers probably stamped down on Harry’s access to his grandmother. And if she is in failing health, it would be easy to do so.
I agree, they have clamped down, or is ill and they control who she communicates with now.
The queen must be in very poor health is my first thought with this story. if he really cared about his second son and grandchildren he would not have allowed their security to become a talk show and tabloid rag debate. With this family I will believe it when I see it, so until security for the Sussex’s is taken seriously by the BRF and we see a formal announcement olive branches are laughable. Personally until there is a Prince Archie and Princess Lilibet his talk of missing his grandchildren is pure “rat” crap.
I think that is what all of this is really about. I think the queen is going downhill fast and doesn’t have much time left. All of this wanting to get Harry over there is not about the Jubilee. I think it’s that they know a funeral will happening soon.
My thoughts as well, especially with the line about Harry being reminded to do away with lingering bitterness or whatever. This is about the Queen’s health and how close she is to dying.
I’m inclined to think the same as well. The olive branch story seems to be a little bit out of the blue but it sounds like discussions are happening about security because there is an anticipated need for that to be dealt with sooner rather than later.
That is seriously messed up. Papa bear version of Harry wanting to come back into the fold without his wife and kids. It’s a bit sickening. Why are they continuing to try this on?
I said something similar further down. Harry is welcome back, just not his black wife and children. I am sick of these racist asswipes. Need I remind them that it’s not Meghan writing her memoir. So I be very careful if I were them
That’s exactly right. The book isn’t due out until Fall. There’s still time for revisions if Harry decides to tell what’s really been happening.
They’d love nothing more for Harry to return alone for the celebration so they can get photos of the family without Meghan and their children. The royal family’s desire to erase the existence of Meghan and their children is real. If Harry is not granted the security he requests under his terms, I hope he declines the invitation on the behalf of his family. If Harry doesn’t show up for the queen who we all know he adores, he sure as hell won’t show up for Charles or William when it’s time for their turn in the ceremonial spotlight.
Harry really needs security for himself and his wife and children. I have seen some really horrible comments about them on the DM. Charles never protected Harry and Meghan and his family.
Didn’t Charles and William make huge deals about how they can’t trust Harry anymore bc he leaks their phone calls to the press. He told gayle their phone calls were unproductive but here’s Charles leaking about their phone calls to the press. But sure Harry’s the one not to be trusted. He put his name to what he said while Charles runs to the sun.
@Jais: The press and the Palace were upset that Harry set the record straight and stopping that story from becoming the narrative. Harry giving Gayle permission to clear the air on US TV meant that the British press and the Palace lost control of the story. If anyone should be afraid of stories being leaked to the press it would Harry which is why I don’t believe that he would agree to stay with Charles. The reason William and Harry set up their own office was because Charles was leaking stories about them.
Remember when Harry corrected the record to Gale king and said nothing had changed and the British media went bat shit crazy because Harry won’t lie down and take crap from these people anymore? Well how come now if Harry is taking to Charles no one is going bat shit crazy that these conversations are being leaked? One might say it was never about Harry talking to a journalist, but that Harry won’t talk to the royal rodent rat reporters and they were all big mad that they were loosing out but now Charles is keeping them sweet on Harry so all is well. I hope Harry keeps conversations to the weather because his father can’t shut his trap.
These people would love to not see Meghan, I noticed how this is yet another way for them to say Harry is welcome back it not his wife and children
Precisely. I had to hold back a cackle when I saw “secret talks”. Please. How “secret” can they be when CH is overdue for a plumber because of all those leaks?
Perfect statement! Thanks for the laugh!
Does Harry hold the keys to the jubilee or what? Cos their desperate attempt to force him to come is ridiculous for sme they claim is irrelevant
It occurred to me as I read this and then the piece Kaiser wrote about TQ going to Wood Farm, that it’s possible that all the public-facing talk about the Jubilee is also being privately planned to quickly pivot to Charles’ coronation. And if that’s the case, it makes sense that Clarence House and Buckingham Palace would want to neutralize the whole Harry & Meghan situation in advance, and also have the parameters set up for whatever the relationship would look like between a king and his expat son.
This sounds super plausible to me.
I agree that this is about neutralizing the H&M “situation,” but I think its in preparation for the funeral, not the coronation. If she dies this winter, there would be a huge state funeral obviously, I’m not sure when the coronation ceremony would be.
Coronations have tended to happen much later than the actual ascension, often a year later.
Given Brexit, the economy, Andrew, the pandemic, Scottish independence movement, the spiraling support for monarchy, the countries already dumping the Windsors as Head of State, the PR sh!tstorm of inheriting a billion without paying taxes, plus all the W&K&Middleton scheming against Harry and Meghan?
Charles would be an idiot to hold a large coronation. A small event at St George’s Windsor within a month or two of ascension would be a much better option.
I seem to remember an article about this saying when “London Bridge has fallen” (ie: TQ dies), Charles will “talk to the nation” w/in a few hrs, telling them he is their king, with a coronation to follow in about 4 mos. Now, getting The Rotweiller crowned will probably take a little longer.
Camilla automatically becomes Queen Consort when Charles becomes king, just as she automatically became Princess of Wales when they married. Likewise she’ll be formally crowned when he is during whatever coronation ceremony they have. There will be no fuss or fight about that. The fuss and fight will be over the size and cost of the shindig, not over the crowning of his wife of 17 years.
@Amy T — IF there is a rapprochement b/t Charles and Harry; it’s to neutralize any negative fallout from Harry & Meghan’s situation by pretending to put a good face on things. After Charles’ coronation, they’ll be kicked to the curb.
@Jan90067 — “Charles will “talk to the nation” w/in a few hrs, telling them he is their king, with a coronation to follow in about 4 mos.” This is a short timeline to the coronation. Charles wants it to be as short as possible to get it done before Harry’s book comes out and to prevent William from maneuvering to get the Crown himself.
The second QEII dies, Charles becomes king. The King/Queen is dead, long live the King/Queen. Wiliam cannot change any of that, it has nothing to do with a public coronation ceremony.
Charles automatically becomes king, Camilla automatically becomes Queen Consort. Coronation ceremony or not, it doesn’t matter. Less than 20 percent of people in the UK are even CoE anymore anyway, so a church blessing/coronation is essentially meaningless to the majority.
It certainly seems that way. You would think that with such a large family of grifters that one missing man would be no big deal
Right? “It has been suggested to Harry he may live to regret any lingering family bitterness”….”may live to regret”??? So what is the alternative they’re suggesting? Dump the wife & kids and….??
This comment was meant as a response to OVER IT’s response to my comment.
Right? First, you claim they’re irrelevant, then they are ‘vindictive’ and will ‘regret severing ties’. Then they’re being reached out to but are “petty”. Now they are reaching out and “desperate to mend fences”. Pick a narrative and stick to it FCS. It says a lot about their perception of the intelligence of RF stans that they just throw out this wall of **** and don’t bother to make it make sense.
As an aside, how many Sussex supporters are also KHive? Trying to see something.
I can’t help but wonder whether some of this is around succession planning and not having the Harry and Meghan situation detract from Charles’ eventual coronation.
Oops! Commented twice because I thought the first had gotten lost. Happy Monday!
@Osty: Ken Wharfe all but said that to the DM. He said having Harry doing his own thing in the US and the Andrew mess in the press would make the Jubilee an unhappy event. I think the Palace wants at least Harry to come over so that they pretend that everything has been resolved which is why I don’t want Harry and Meghan to attend this event.
@ Amy Bee, you are so spot on!! Of course they would love to bring back the Good Son/Grandson back onto the royal fold as they have lost Pedrew, as they should have, and bringing Harry out, who happens to be the second most popular Royal, would be a feather in their cap.
I must say that Chaz is becoming sloppy in his leaks as this screams Chaz/CH all the way through the building and across the pond!
A lot of the stans don’t want to be believe this but Charles is just as terrible as William and he was a willing participant in the smear campaign against Meghan and Harry. As Kaiser said, this story comes straight from CH and let’s not forget that only two months ago, Charles tried to throw Harry under the bus. If any contact was made it was to deal with his security issues as it would seem that it was Charles who gave the order to pull his security when he was in Canada. I’m starting to believe that it was CH who leaked the story about Harry requesting a judicial review.
IN effect, Charles is “in charge” of William. But he has William running rampant with all the spin that He and Kate will be A “great” King and queen. Charles put William over Harry and allows William to employ Jason Knauf who launched an “investigation” against Meghan.
IF this is true I would end the “secret” talks ASAP if I were in Harry place. A few calls and it’s all over the tabloids again. Imagine him coming to the UK and living at Highgrove or CH? Every-da*n-thing will be in the press as soon as it’s happened/ said. I wouldn’t trust this family as far as his daughter can throw them.
Maybe this was some kind of test from Harry: Offer an olive branch and see how long it takes to leak to the press.
I highly doubt Harry is even talking to him. This is the father that took his security away the first time and had his location leaked, then tried to drag him into his cash for honors mess and refuses to let him pay off his own security while in the UK. I don’t think they are talking at all.
Someone on Twitter posted an interview clip of Harry from when he was in Afghanistan in 2012 and in it he talks about how the other soldiers’ walls were full of posters and pictues of their families but his were plain and how they had wifi so many soldiers had used it to facetime with family but he hadnt. I always thought that family was cold but even I was shocked to see that. The fact that while in a warzone Harry didn’t look to images of his family for comfort nor really speak to them explains so much. He’s always wanted a little family of his own and ot couldn’t be clearer why. (Here’s the tweet: twitter.com/Anna__with_an_A/status/1485256598998196229?t=EqTXBRNyhxzOmHKtbsPAmA&s=19 )
The most messed up thing is that Charles scored PR points while Harry was in Afghanistan by saying that he knew what the families of soldiers were going through being away from them. Pretty much from the moment Diana died Charles has been using Harry (and even Willoam) to soften his image and it’s amazing that even after Harry had to leave the country in order to protect his family because his father wouldn’t help him Charles is STILL using him like this. I can’t get over the audacity jfc.
This makes me feel so sad for him. Poor guy. He was just so matter-of-fact in that video. So glad for him that he has the love of a good woman and two beautiful kids to dote on now.
Harry not having pictures of his family might be a security issue. His presence was supposed to be secret. However, guys might not be keen to post pictures of their brother and father. Harry had no family of his own yet, and I think that might have been his point. At least Charles and William had the decency to pick him up after his location was outed, although that could have been just for good PR.
@ tasmin, I beginning to believe that this “family” only shows their compassion and “love” when the photographers are around. You can’t have it both ways even though Chaz is trying to change the narrative to put him in a better light. I think the only people that don’t have their fingerprints on his back are his cousins and Prince Phillip, and he’s been dead emotionally for 5 years.
So I guessed he had no family to FaceTime also.
All the soldiers knew who Harry relatives/family are, it’s not like the enemy was going into the barracks and looking for Harry’s space.
@ Chelsea, thank you so much for the link. Harry seems so lonely and his heart is broken that his brothers in arms have the ability to FaceTime and have photos, whereas Harry has none. This is utterly heartbreaking. I don’t know how he has been able to grow into the man that he is today without the unconditional love and support that he never had after his Mum died.
May the entire BRF suffer for one hundred years and beyond. May they all come back as dung beetles.
Never heard about that, very sad but definitely because of security issues.
Any thawing is likely to be undone by the fact that Chucky is leaking about it to the tabloids.
@Emily: Exactly.
“… It has been suggested to Harry he may live to regret any lingering family bitterness…”
That in no way sounds super ominous.
I thought that Chuck and Basher were all bent out of shape and unable to trust Harry because he “leaked” about a conversation to Gayle? The hypocrisy would be amusing if it weren’t actually dangerous.
Maybe a suggestion that the only way he will see the Queen again before her death is to cooperate with PC and his PR? Wouldn’t that regret go both ways since something can happen to anybody? PC might have taken his own advice when he fled to Scotland while PH was in the UK for the statue unveiling.
*May* live…? Super creepy.
Translation: Chuck tried reaching out to Harry and requesting him to come to the UK without Meghan and the kids.
It infuriates me that the RF would not even acknowledge Meghan and their kids. It comes across as racist and petty. Who is advising these jokers!
Unfortunately these people don’t see Meghan and her children as human because in their eyes people of color aren’t human beings. I hope Meghan knows her worth is greater than these racist fools and moves on and stays far away from their racist asses.
True that! What does it say about them and the country that they don’t even pretend to hide the racism anymore.
Charles doesn’t love his mixed race grandchildren. That’s why he wants to change the George V convention, so Archie and Lili can’t be a prince & princess. I hope Harry understands that his so-called father doesn’t love him and accepts that, instead of the fake reconciliation idea that Harry seems still holding onto it.
I don’t even know how much he cares about the white ones other than George. I don’t think he’s ever been shown interacting with Charlotte at all and poor Louis always seems like an afterthought. He’s been a sh*t father since forever, I have no idea why anyone thinks we’d be so stupid to believe he’s this amazingly caring grandfather.
I think he cares more for Camilla’s children and grand-children than he does for his own.
I’ve never gotten the feeling he cares for Camilla’s children or grandchildren. That’s why she keeps Ray Mill, so she can spend time with them without ‘bothering’ Charles. At Christmas, she leaves right after the Church pap parade and spends the holiday week with her kids and grandkids.
I know there’s forum talk he made huge trust funds for all of them. But Charles has very little personal money and no, he couldn’t use Duchy funds for it. He might eventually make them trust funds once he inherits the big money from his mother, but he has nothing to make trust funds with now.
Nota, isn’t the Duchy money considered his *personal* income? Not the actual properties, which are The Crown’s, but the monies generated were/are supposed to give any PoW an “income”. I would think it’s his discretionary income, apart from what gets from TSG.
In Charlotte’s 6 years, I never saw a photo released one on one with her grandfather Charles. I’ve seen them for Louis and George, but not for Charlotte. Very strange.
No Duchy funds are not his personal funds. The board has to approve the expenditures, and they’re not making trust funds for Camilla’s family with taxpayer funds.
Yeah, I’ll not take my Sussex news from Charles PR people, especially because I think his offer for Harry to stay with him (and, we can assume, his security team) seems like it’s meant to chip away at Harry’s case to pay for his own security detail. Like, nah, he doesn’t need to worry about his own security, he’ll be safe with Charles!
This man left them high and dry once before, and I would not trust him.
What’s interesting to me is who we’re NOT hearing about – Charles wants it to be known that Harry still speaks to him, which leaves TOB rather conspicuously the one whose relationship is still ( as far as we know) “space”. Hmmmmm.
I can believe Harry has reached out to Charles in hopes of getting the security issue handled, but not much else from this Clarence House fanfiction. Harry didn’t do a damn thing to apologize for. Not allowing the Cambridges and the tabloids to hound his wife into her graves was the absolute right thing to do. Leaving all of the Windsors’ bs and toxicity behind was the healthiest and safest option for his family. I know Harry wants to return, but I’d love for him to come with the receipts for Charles’ ass.
If it’s coming from the Sun, I don’t believe a word of it. How do they know, we’re they there? They are reeking of desperation
They’ve been doing this “thawing” thing for a while. But come next week they’ll say Charles and Camilla can never forgive Harry and Meghan blah blah.
Harry himself said he wants to fix his relationship with Charles but also knows he can’t get what he needs from them cause they aren’t capable.
Remember when they were saying Harry regretted his decision to leave and in the me you can’t see Harry himself said Nah we good in fact we should have done this years earlier lol.
I can believe that Harry and Charles have talked but how much progress has been made I’ll wait for Harry to say. I also believe Charles or Harry could have called for something simple as planning succession like someone said earlier and the palace sources or the sun created a narrative out of it being Harry being the one who is in need of forgiveness and the royal family is blameless .
Next week the narrative will change again. Anything to sell papers/get clicks and try to absolve the royal family for their wickedness.
Now that he’s the de facto head of the family, Charles wants it to be known that in addition to handling Andrew, he’s got the Harry situation under control now too. With one hand he banished the pedo, and with the other hand he’s slowly, masterfully, thawing relations with the prodigal son. Remember, Charles is the same guy who rehabilitated Camilla’s image, so if he wants his own Bad Dad image to be different, he’s going to work on it. Leak enough of these articles where it appears the relationship with Harry is mending, and it’s coming from Harry’s end, and it might make Charles seem more like a caring, empathetic figure. He’s counting on Harry not to snap back on this degree of tabloid nonsense.
@harper- agree with you. This also domains William me failed attempts PR and press manipulation. He’s trying to play his fathers game and failing miserable.
Charles would do well not to count on Harry not snapping back about this. Harry has zero problem speaking out when it’s necessary. Charles is foolish if he thinks he can prevent this particular son from talking.
Charles also needs to stop the media (DM) from equating Harry’s situation with Andrew’s that is truly offensive IMO. He just watches while the media equates Harry marrying Meghan with Andrew being with criminals and underaged women. What kind of a father would not protect his own child from this nonsense.
I don’t buy Charles as de facto head of the family when he does not control his “heir” William and lets him scheme against Harry. Charles if he is sincere would call a halt to the “investigation” of Meghan and dismiss Jason Knauf.
That’s not how the Windsors think. Charles will be the head of the family and the head of the monarchy.
So. This is interesting and I feel like the Queen’s health is connected. I’m reading it as Harry needs security to go back to the UK any time for anything now. Probably sooner than he wanted to, but a last visit with his Granny if he can. With his family, so Betty can see Archie and meet Lilli. Any phone call back to Charles is probably a Granny health update and discussion if he should come see her sooner than expected. Harry can’t come back officially for that, since everyone is trying to play the official line that Betty is fine to the general public. Charles is trying to manipulate this for his public image, so that if Harry does manage to come back for one last visit, he can claim through sources this is what that visit is.
If Harry visits in the very near future, I’m betting it’s this dynamic that we’re seeing unfold privately.
Excellent analysis of what is more than likely really going on here.
They’re always projecting with Harry, so I’m gonna say Charles is the one desperate to mend fences and has thawed his feelings towards Harry because he knows he messed up.
What I find interesting about this is that Clarence House has obviously decided that it looks better for Charles to be the loving father/grandfather and for there to be a “thawing out” between Charles and Harry, as opposed to 6 months ago when CH was putting it out there that Charles was angry etc.
Re: leaks. I think Harry categorizes family leaks – like IF he is talking to his father and they are facetiming etc (big IF), then I think he expects these kinds of nonsense stories. He knows that to a certain extent, there are always going to be leaks like this and I think he has learned to accept that and let a lot of these things go. The leaks that bother him and that he no longer accepts are the kind that throw him under the bus, and the ones that put a false (negative) narrative out there about his family (Meghan, Archie, Lili.)
So a story like this? He probably rolls his eyes and moves on. A story about his security or the pay to play scandal or Lili’s name? He pushes back in the press.
The Queen traveling to Wood Farm, Harry trying to get proper security for his family in the UK and Charles extending olive branches to Harry is foreshadowing a big event. The Jubilee maybe or perhaps a funeral and coronation?
More than likely the latter.
I doubt H wd exert himself too much just to visit for the jubilee. Its a public-facing event and he’s not into that. So betty’s last days and charles impending coronation – this is more than likely what this flurry of stories is abt.
I think it’s more likely to be her funeral. Coronations don’t happen right away, because there’s generally an extended formal period of mourning. Most coronations take place around the year mark, give or take. Charles might not be planning a huge coronation extravaganza – or he might be – but whatever he’s planning, it won’t take place for awhile after he ascends the throne.
The Windows may not want Meghan there but they need both her and Harry. Andrew’s mess and KP foolishness are why the BRF’s reputation is a mess. Meghan is not pregnant nor she is Ill. If thsors don’t the Sussexes absence dominating the news, especially in the States, they better grant Harry’s wish.
Hmmm…..birthday chat with Kate. Thaw out with Charles…. So does that leave out? The real troublemaker perhaps?
When you have grandparents in their 90th you have to accept that each visit you have with them could be the last one. So I’m not sure if Harry needs to fly back to the UK for one last visit with the queen.
I don’t believe every story is generated by one of the palaces. Most stories come across as suppositions by royal reporters, taking a comment from a bitter courtier and running with it.
I don’t see Charles as the kind of father who checks in with his kids on a regular basis, more like a phone call if something specific needs to be discussed.
Harry has ready told us, if there anything to share he’ll tell us himself, so best to ignore these side stories.
I can believe pc is updating Harry on the queens health. Maybe he has offered his home to Harry so he can visit her now as things are not sounding too good for her right now.
Charles is just about to break that olive branch from beating his closest relatives with it.
I know I’m a really petty person. If it were me I wouldn’t go to the Jubilee. But I would take the kids out for a walk in the park. Then the next day to the zoo. A little something everyday to overshadow the jubilee. Do you really think pictures of the Windsors would sell better than Harry & Meaghan and the kids. But Harry wouldn’t do that. But maybe if he did the Royal Family might finally understand how much they need him and not the other way around.
Ok, I have to laugh about the “secret talks.” Secret from whom? From William? Is he using the same secret phone/iPad that TQ used when making her secret calls to H&M?
Yes, lol. “Secret calls” that are splashed all over the tabloids.
From DAY ONE, this is what they’ve always wanted, Harry crawling back and abandoning Meghan. “See, we knew he couldn’t make it. ” But I am surprised that it’s his own father setting this up. Wishing doesn’t make it true, Charles. Vile creatures. Stay home and deprive them of the millions of pounds of profit made from the lies about you.
All the bots have talked ad infinitum about “Harry coming to his senses” and he will “divorce” Meghan. This is most likely what Charles and William would want.
The Queen’s health is failing, and Charles is trying to undo the mess he made concerning Harry’s security. The security issue should be resolved soon; death does not make appointments.
The reporters are so desperate for Sussex stories they step on each other’s toes, rushing to be first. Charles issued the olive branch for the Christmas visit, now it’s extended indefinitely. He wants to see his grandchildren, even though he’s having video chats with Harry. So we are supposed to assume Harry goes into a private room and does not permit Meghan and the children to come to the screen to say hello. Richard Eden is so far removed from the Sussex experience that his quotes are deemed unworthy from the first letter. I believe Diana dumped Ken Wharfe because she didn’t trust him, and now I understand why. He has no connection to Harry, yet he’s a regular on the tv circuit.
I think he wants PR as being the “great grandfather.” It’s all for him. Charles never apologizes, he certainly won’t to Harry nor will he counteract what William (the heir) did to his brother.
I do fully believe that Harry wants to travel to the UK, for various reasons, not the least of which is that he just wants to share his half of their heritage (meaning the country, the history, the places he loved and the things he enjoyed doing), with his children. That’s normal, even when that would put him in the same time zone as toxic people.
But also, his grandmother is likely dying, or at the very best, in her last years. And no matter what everyone sees and has had revealed about the Queen and the Royal Family, Harry has made no bones about the fact that he has always loved his grandmother.
So the idea that he’s trying to find the best ways to be able to see his grandmother in whatever time she has left, it’s totally reasonable. And yeah, rational or not, he probably would like for her to meet her little namesake in person at least once.
Harry was always very filial, oftentimes yo a fault. It’s a shame those people weren’t nearly so loyal to him.
lol I said it last week, chuck suddenly realised he’s self sabotaging/showing his hands by confirming that he’s not really in control over H&M which isn’t want the tabloids want!!! He’d be out of bargaining powers (no access,leaks..) & thus not be able to deliver =they’ll turn on him. The firm is shaking in its boots not knowing how to feed the beast now that H&M are out of reach+have no access to them😂God I’m enjoying their frantic attempts to get random stories to stick. Nobody not even their own base is falling for it
Not very kingly to be leaking like this. Diana was right.
I believe Charles is duplicitous to the end. Harry has a fine nature, integrity, morals–just what his father lacks and will play upon for his own ends. Meghan, you too have a horrible father that will sell you out till the end of time. Prevail upon Harry to stay out of Salt Island!
I believe Charles is duplicitous to the end. Harry has a fine nature, integrity, morals–just what his father lacks and will play upon for his own ends. Meghan, you too have a horrible father that will sell you out till the end of time. Charles may be luring Harry in with the “ill health” of the Queen (she’ll live to 104 like her mother) and his own home from which to visit her. This so feels like a trap! Harry is smart, but he has a heart which may undo him. Charles is at an advantage, having none. Prevail upon Harry to stay out of Salt Island!
Charles let William drive Harry and Meghan out. He sits back and lets the DM write horrible stories (and some comments are scary).
If Harry and his family return to the Uk, Charles will have a hand in it because he is next in line after the queen. he has the power to do so whether anyone likes it or not-Harry has every right to bring his family and show his children the Uk side-I am not opposed but I do want them to be protected-God bless and keep the Sussex family safe.
PS-Harry is standing up and being a man to protect his family-if he is willing to pay for the type of security he needs-for God’s sake Charles let him-it would be very good pr in the usa and probably in the uk too-Peace