My late father was born in India before Indian independence, before the partition, when India was still called “the jewel in the British crown.” He was, bizarrely, sort of a monarchist who enjoyed British royal history and had a general warmth for QEII (and King Edward VIII, weirdly). But there was one subject in which my dad was completely anti-monarchist: he believed, as I do, that the Windsors should absolutely return the jewels they looted from India, starting with the Koh-i-Noor. The Koh-i-Noor is still part of the “British crown jewels” and it is still part of the crown which was worn by the late Queen Mother, in what is considered the traditional “Queen Consort crown.” Dismantle this specific crown and send the Koh-i-Noor back to India, I swear to God. Instead of doing that, the Windsors are going to put that crown on Camilla’s head!! Some highlights from this Daily Mail story:
Charles had been planning this for years, obvs: Prince Charles changed his coronation vows several years ago to include ‘Queen Camilla’ – with his mother’s blessing, the Daily Mail can reveal. The insertion of his wife’s title was included as part of a general reworking of plans for the Westminster Abbey ceremony up to five years ago, a senior palace source said.
Camilla will wear the Koh-i-Noor: It can also be revealed that Camilla will have the Queen Mother’s priceless platinum and diamond crown placed on her head when Charles is made king. It was created for King George VI’s coronation in 1937. The Queen Mother’s crown features 2,800 diamonds with a large stone given to Queen Victoria in 1856 by the Sultan of Turkey as a gesture of gratitude for British support during the Crimean War. The front cross holds the famous 105-carat Koh-i-Noor diamond, which originated in India, in a detachable platinum mount.
Charles almost announced the ‘Queen Camilla’ thing in 2019: The Mail can reveal today that plans to ‘crown’ Camilla as Queen Consort – as opposed to ‘Princess Consort’, as originally planned – have been under way for some time, and Charles came close to announcing it in 2019. A royal source said: ‘This is something that has been on the Prince of Wales’ mind for some time, but the timing had to be right. There was a nervousness, they wanted to get it right. It’s been a done deal for some time, but the question has been how best to execute it. You are not going to please everyone. They understand that some people still won’t be happy, but the family believe it is the right thing to do.’
Charles overhauled his coronation plans: The change was made clear when Clarence House and palace officials embarked on an overhaul of the plans for Charles’s coronation several years ago. Key national events are regularly the subject of planning reviews and, as the previous coronation took place in 1953, officials wanted to make the ceremony more streamlined and up-to-date. It is understood to have been shortened from the Queen’s three-hour long event and, while still ‘spectacular’, is designed to ‘better reflect the times’, with more religious, cultural and ethnic diversity. ‘It also included the duchess crowned Queen Consort,’ a household insider said. Any changes would have taken place with the Queen’s blessing and the knowledge of Buckingham Palace.
One could even argue that ensuring Camilla’s position as Queen Consort was Charles’s sole focus for the past seventeen years. One could even argue that Charles’s devotion to legitimizing his mistress left him blind and unwilling to actually show leadership within his own family. One of his sons is exiled and his two mixed-race grandchildren are living in California, but Charles stayed on his particular course, to make sure everyone bowed and scraped to the Rottweiler, as Diana called her.
Also: Charles’s reworked his coronation plans in 2019? Curious. I wonder if he reworked them to reflect the Sussexes’ soon-to-be exile.
As for the Koh-i-Noor… yeah, it’s pathetic that Camilla will wear this crown. It’s pathetic that the Windsors won’t return their looted art and jewels.
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Queen Camila is going to be a hard sell and the morning shows are already feeling the pushback trying to use Meghan to prop up Carrie Johnson and Camila. Good Luck with that because this is going to be a huge mess. Charles is an idiot. Diana and Meghan will forever cast a shadow on that institution.
These people using abusing meghan to prop up Camilla is getting ton me more than it should. Camilla was someone’s mistress and her lack of empathy towards Diana was part of Di’s misery (although Charles had plenty to do with that too). Anyway she still was the other woman and therefore inherently linked to Diana’s suffering.
Meghan gave up her own life, a “full life” as she once described, to work in service of this family and this ungrateful nation. And she was slammed every single day for it while she was pregnant.
The 2 are not the same and meg is way out of Camilla’s league.
The Daily Fail had an article designed to make Camilla the saint and and Meghan the “bad one.” Which is totally disgraceful IMO. It attracted the usual mean comments about Meghan. Total absurdity.
This may well come back to bite “King” Charles in the you-know-what because the longer Meghan is out of the UK and basically giving them no new content, the Rota is going to start demanding their pound of flesh from someone else and this is absolutely teeing up Camilla to be that someone else.
Literally, the only reason I can imagine that not being the case is if William and Kate divorced … and that’s also the only reason I can imagine Charles ever encouraging/allowing such a divorce to take place. I wonder how Willy is going to feel when he’s the one getting thrown under the bus in his brother’s absence to protect his father’s most beloved possession (and I’m using that word purposefully).
All this talk of titles and coronation plans makes me think the Queen will abdicate soon. Her health is clearly declining. It’s probably the best time for her to step down and for Charles to finally take the throne. And yes, return the stolen diamond to India!
I don’t think she will EVER abdicate. She will step back more and let Chaz take over more and more, the Power Behind the Throne, in all but name (I don’t think she’d do a *formal* regency either).
Let’s face it, at 95, you know you’re not looking at a lot of *quality* time ahead of you. Between giving up drinking, the walking problems, fragility, and other things we know nothing of, perhaps all she really wants is to be left to Pedo, her dogs, and her stables. The rest can go to hell. Discretely, of course, because that is how “One” does things.
Indeed…she will never give up the position, instead she will spend more and more time out of the spotlight. Meanwhile the Royal Family should learn to “Read the Room”…..after exposing their racism toward Meghan, Camilla is going to wear stolen jewels from India…can’t make this up if we tried
The title and job is for life. This is why the abdication of the Queen’s uncle was so scandalous. QEII will not abdicate. She has and will be withdrawing from a lot of tasks, but she will never abdicate. She will remain QEII until she passes.
This pro Camilla talk from the mouth of the queen, makes me think Charles is already in control. Not that the Queen has had a genuine change of heart.
Charles also could have placed a guilt trip on her that he was “forbidden” to marry Camilla which was belied by Charles own authorized biography where he said he was not ready to marry when he met Camilla.
She just reiterated her promise in her statement to live out her duty, serving the people, being the Queen until the day she dies. I don’t think she’s ever going to officially abdicate. Charles is basically in charge behind the scenes and she’ll leave it at that.
It’s outrageous that the Koh-i-Noor hasn’t been returned to India. Camilla should be ashamed to put it on her head.
I agree. I have a close friend who’s Indian and loves the British Royals but she was also the one who told me about the looted jewels. I had no idea before that because the way we are taught here and the way in which the media reports these things always hides the fact that they were essentially stolen.
She tells me she loves the Royals anyway because it’s just history and nothing to do with the current royals. I get the fact that many terrible things have happened throughout history which can’t be put right, but this is something which can, so why isn’t it? Just because they weren’t the ones who took it doesn’t mean they can’t be the ones who do the right thing and hand it back. Wearing it seems incredibly disrespectful and insensitive.
Not only is it shameful, it’s a terrible PR strategy when they are supposedly worried about losing commonwealth countries. Returning all the stolen gems is SUCH an easy way to acknowledge the errors of the past and “modernize” the monarchy. That and accepting their biracial family members.
Couldn’t agree more: EMBARRASSING, how completely ignorant the BRF is of their past abuse of a country like India, as if they were it’s “saving grace.” TOSH! Brutal raiders in pretty coats, period. DISGUSTING.
I think you could be right. Years ago I read that the Queen would abdicate at 95 if she was still around by then. I don’t think she would hang on to the point of a forced regency. Prince Philip retired at 95 and that sets a precedent. Lifelong service doesn’t have to mean hanging onto an official role until you drop dead.
I don’t think she’ll abdicate. I think she wants to put things in order and won’t step down.
This is all completely nuts to me. In Norway, when King Harald is on sick leave, Haakon is formally installed as regent until the king is better. Surely it’s better to do that than for someone else (i.e. Charles/courtiers) to act as a shadow monarch?
It is beyond shocking that these people have vaults and dungeons filled with stolen jewels/arts/materials. I wonder why there is not enough outrage for these things to be returned. I guess diplomaticly it has been ‘forgiven.’
I totally agree. This is ridiculous in this day and age. This royal family ain’t ish. Harry and Meghan were a strong argument for how the royals could be a modern force for good but they were threatened by their awesomeness.
I agree, but the fact that they have dungeons and vaults full of treasure is exactly why they won’t return it. If they returned the Koh-i-Noor, that opens Pandora’s box. Suddenly everyone is going to want their treasure back.
Because it’s not just looted jewels that this family has–basically *all* their wealth is stolen.
The British Royal family is at the root of evil across most of the world. That family has been so destructive to mankind for centuries. At some point the chickens will come home to roost.
This.
100%. It’s not just one diamond. It’s the Elgin Marbles. It is most of everything they have, not just artifacts but slave labor and massacres and bloody cruelty for centuries. Their whole image of themselves as divinely ordained white saviors and rulers would have to come down.
David Cameron, 2010: “If you say yes to one you suddenly find the British Museum would be empty,”
Camilla has always been Charles’ north star to the exclusion of everything else. She was his co-conspirator and gaslighter in chief of Diana. He spent millions protecting her while throwing his younger son to the wolves. He also got his older one to call his own mother paranoid. They are the most dysfunctional family on the planet. Diana’s spirit and their racism against Meghan will forever cast a shadow against them.
I don’t think he had anything to do with William throwing his own mother under the bus. That was 100% down to Williams own self-interest as King of the Right Wing Gammons in trying to get rid of the BBC. No-one in this family gives a toss about anyone except themselves.
Exactly. William disparaged his mother due to his own anger at her for “sullying” the monarchy. Charles didn’t have to prompt William to do a thing. William is just that despicable.
@ TheOriginalMia, you are right. William took the opportunity to disparage his mother on his own. Yet, for William, no one will forget or forgive him for his statements and his willingness to disparage her. William is NOT his mothers son. William is cut from the same cloth as Charles. Make no mistake about it.
William yet ignores his father’s interview over a year before his mother’s interview. Charles confessed his extramarital relationship with Camilla. That caused a great impact since, the PBs divorced soon after. William supposedly minded that his father used him to promote Camilla. The William having tea with Camilla story was sent to all news agencies and William was allegedly displeased. There was a BBC show about William’s disapproval of his being used that would air (this was a few years ago), apparently Prince Charles stopped it from being aired.
…. “the famous 105 carat Koh-I-Noor diamond, which originated in India.” Well, that glosses over a whole lot. What, no cute story about how it was gifted in appreciation like the Turkish stone? Huh, wonder why not? Colonizers got no shame.
And now that it’s going to Camilla, Charles ain’t ever giving it back.
Wearing the Koh-I-Noor in 2022 and advertising the fact is peak “tell me you’re clueless without telling me you’re clueless “
Clueless, yeah, but they also DGAF. Apparently, they can’t be shamed into returning any stolen jewels. How I wish that during the coronation, the broadcasters would highlight the controversy around these jewels. But why do I get the feeling that won’t happen? Would the American outlets go there? Idk? If they did, it would prob be a very brief mention before moving on.
Jais- oh of course they DGAF. When I said clueless, I meant in terms of PR.
Don’t forget the arrogance. There’s a whole lot of arrogance in that decision, alone.
So true @rapunzel- clueless pr- why brag about your stolen jewel.
I just re-read that section and it’s suuuuper squirrely. If you were just skimming that you could easily think Queen Victoria received the crown WITH the diamond as ‘thanks’ from the Ottomans.
It looks like multiple countries have claimed ownership. After some light reading, the only thing I know for sure is that the UK shouldn’t have it.
Huh, the coronation would have “diversity” if Meghan and the kids were there….
Was trying to add – life and attitudes have changed so much in the past 70 years. With social media, scandals never die, so it’s weird to imagine Camilla as Queen Anything – and the Koh-I-Noor becomes an unpleasant reminder rather than a symbol of glory.
So, what happens if Charles is king and he dies first, would she be The Queen or would Bill get crowned immediately?
Goes straight to Bill. She’s Queen Consort, not the monarch, so it doesn’t change the rules of succession. She’ll be like the Queen Mother, still called Queen, but no official power.
(Incidentally, Kings always outrank Queens, which is why Prince Phillip wasn’t a King. Patriarchy in action.)
Clarification appreciated ☺
I completely forgot that camilla would still be called ‘queen camilla’ after Charles is gone. Therefore Kate wouldn’t be the only queen around if Charles dies first, even though camilla technically wouldn’t be ‘queen’.
A Queen Regnant is the same as a King which is why there is no such thing as a King Consort.
In some ways the system can give a higher status to women. A wife generally takes on her husband’s status unless her own status is higher e.g. if a man is made a knight he becomes Sir Somebody and his wife becomes Lady Somebody. If a woman is made a Dame her husband gets no courtesy title. It follows the convention of a woman taking her husband’s name on marriage. Andrew’s daughters are officially HRH Princess followed by Mrs husband’s name.
@anotherlily, And to further expound on your example of a female’s higher status than her husband’s, if Sir Somebody becomes a knight and his wife is already a Lady by birth and was always called Lady Mary, she’s now known as Lady Mary Somebody rather than just Lady Somebody since her status allows her to use her given name with her title.
That’s a good example @FEESHALORI
Another example is Princess Margaret’s daughter Lady Sarah Chatto. Her husband has no title but she keeps her birth title as the daughter of earl along with her husband’s name.
Bill gets crowned. She’ll be a consort not a co-ruler, legally speaking.
William and Mary were joint rulers, both were heirs of James II (William was his nephew and Mary was his niece and they married). James was exiled and William and Mary became joint monarchs. This could never happen with William/Kate or Charles/Camilla I doubt joint monarchs would ever happen again.
William and Mary were joint rulers because he threatened to withdraw his troops during the Glorious Revolution if he wasn’t crowned as co-ruler AND being allowed to rule solely in the event of his wife dying before him. It was Mary who was the heir as the eldest daughter of James II (the king who was thrown out).
She’ll never reign, as she’s only a consort. It passes straight to Baldy as next in line of succession. She will languish in the background as the Queen Mother did, drinking a hell of a lot and having zero cares.
I somehow don’t think William would give her much attention, should Charles pass away first and Camilla is Queen Dowager.
She is not a queen regnant that she inherits the throne in her own right . She would be queen dowager on Charles death.
The “Queen Consort” cannot become the monarch; neither can the “Prince Consort,” which Prince Philip is currently. So if Charles becomes king and dies, the crown would pass to William.
I would love to be a fly on the wall to see what those plans for the coronation of Charles look like. They can redesign the ceremony all they like, but it is explicitly religious, with the Archbishop of Canterbury declaring the monarch to be God’s representative. Not sure how you add a lot of religious and cultural diversity to that.
Also I wonder how the pageantry aspect will play. The economic situation isn’t great, for one thing, and for another, neither Charles nor Camilla has the photogenic quality of the 25-year-old Queen Elizabeth II at her coronation.
Do you mean as Prince Phillip was?
Reply to Ianne (because reply function doesn’t seem to be working properly): yes, I meant as Prince Phillip was to QEII. This is what happens when I add a comment after too little coffee!
The monarch is not declared as God’s representative. The concept of divine right ended with Charles 1. The monarch is head of the Church of England and the religious aspects of the coronation ceremomy are similar to the ordination of a priest.
Thanks for that clarification, anotherlily. But since the monarch is still the head of the Church of England, I think my point about its being difficult to add “religious diversity” to the ceremony stands. In general I wonder how a British coronation ceremony will be received today vs. in the 1950s when QEII ascended the throne.
She would be Queen Dowager if he dies first. If he passes on before he gets to be King, she would probably be called Princess Dowager.
Or even the Dowager Duchess of Cornwall if Charles doesn’t make it to the throne, though technically she could be the dowager Princess of Wales.
He does not look healthy. The redness and swollen hands have to linked to some long-standing issue. Has it ever been addressed publicly?
I’m Indian and I don’t normally believe in curses, but that diamond is cursed af and the British can have it. I hope Camilla puts it on her head and then stubs her toe. Repeatedly.
I love this comment, lol!
Yeah, it is known to bring bad luck, but I think only to men? I think several countries laid claim to where it was mined, so it probably isn’t as simple as the BRF returning it to India. Although I can’t imagine any universe where they would return it to the Taliban, which also claimed ownership at one point.
The so-called curse applies only to men (that is why it is in the Consort’s Crown) – because the jewel has a long and bloody history before The East India Company bullied a young boy to surrender the stone. They gave it to Queen Victoria. Prince Albert had it re-cut because it wasn’t sparkly enough and that halved the size. Considering its current size, it must have been enormous in its original cut.
William Dalrymple and Anita Anand has written a very interesting book about the story of the Koh-I-Noor. It covers the early history of the stone (before it was appropriated by the Company) and then its story after the British purloined it. The book is titled “Kohinoor. The Story of the World’s Most Infamous Diamond.” I highly recommend it.
That’s something I’ve wondered with the Koh-I-Noor. It was weaselled into the possession of the Royal fam via a highly dodgy and coerced treaty settlement with the Kingdom of Lahore, which is now part of Pakistan. How does that work with returning it to India, does Pakistan have a better claim, and would there be a big fight over who it’s returned to?
Good. Then Charles can stub his toe repeatedly, while she wears it. And at any rate, I don’t trust these people, let alone anything they put on their heads. Camilla in particular is not exactly known for being very diligent when it comes to personal hygiene.
@SenseOfTheAbsurd, issues like that is precisely why, as an Indian, I have no interest in litigating this issue. The British Empire did a great deal more damage to South Asia than can be truly quantified, and the return of a controversial diamond is not going to ever change that. India was purposefully left underdeveloped and was not industrialized bc the British, who were extracting raw materials from their colony, wanted to create a mass-market to which they could export and make dependent upon their foreign-made goods. It’s for this reason that one of the strategies used by Gandhi’s non-violent, non-cooperation movement was to burn and boycott British-made textiles, with the intention of promoting the indigenous textile industry (khadi).
But the effects of that lack of development and industrialization are still being felt today. None of this can be resolved with an empty gesture–especially not a gesture that would cause more harm than good in a place with a very delicately balanced diplomatic situation as it is.
More importantly, the British people themselves refuse to confront the legacy of their own colonial history. Their textbooks don’t talk about it. Their population still believes in the benevolent fantasy of the empire, where Queen Victoria was the gentle maternal figurehead, and they brought civilization and railways to the rest of us barbarians. The BRF in particular has a vested interest in maintaining this fantasy to avoid feeling bad about themselves.
I don’t trust any group of people who are as insulated and as ignorant and as narrow-minded as the BRF, who consistently refuse to confront the historical facts of the matter, that they’ve actually understood the extent of the harm that was done by British imperialism to the rest of the world–no matter how many stolen and now dandruff encrusted fancy diamonds they want to return as a token of “good will.”
I think they must be seriously worried about the Queen if this is what they’re talking about right now and what they’re allowing the DM to ‘exclusively reveal’.
(PS_ I am a different A than the one above!)
I take anything printed in the Daily Fail with a pound of salt.
Camilla and Charles have cozy relationships with the Daily Fail, as has been shown by the reporters they choose to work with, exclusives they have given to the Fail, and photos of them at receptions/ parties held for Fail reporters.
It’s not what they’re saying (though it’s not like the BRF is above dealing with the Mail). It’s that they’re saying all of this right now. I think the Queen isn’t just old. I think she’s unwell, and they’re kicking the future preparation work into high gear.
All these stories pitting Camilla against the Sussexes are starting to make sense now. Hating on Harry and Meghan seems to be a rewarding path in elevating a person’s profile or likeability.
Maybe it was Camilla that said the thing?
Miss Melissa: I think Camilla said and did several things even before Meghan got on the scene. That’s why CH is afraid of what Harry would write about her in his book.
@Amy Bee:
I wonder if Charles wanted this statement out there now so it’s harder to take away if Harry shares anything about Camilla in his book.
It’s sexist for anyone to make less of a fuss about putting cheating Charles on the throne than scheming Camilla. He’s not the lesser evil here. And in case we forget Diana thought the Queen Mum’s fawning and kissing of Charles was inappropriate, so Charles putting his second wife in his grandma’s jewelry tracks.
“so Charles putting his second wife in his grandma’s jewelry tracks.”
Very much so. The jewels going from the last mommy figure Charles had to the one he has now.
Well, Charles is the heir, it was always going to happen no matter what he did, Diana new this when she married him. Camilla, however, was never inevitable, which is why it’s a bigger story. If the royal family ever blocked cheaters from ascending to the throne, our history would look very different.
That crown is super ugly and the amount of treasure this family (and other royal houses) horde like dragons is disgusting.
“which originated in India” WHOOF
Replace it with a tampon.
😂 hilarious…
That was such a weird thing for him to say, right?!!
Dead! Best comment.
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This makes me so mad. I posted yesterday about the tone deafness of all of this – a complete lost opportunity to do a reset on all the horrible history and traditions of colonialism/commonwealth.
They carry on like nothing has happened in the last 100 years from India’s struggle for independence to BLM or the centuries before where this family led an empire that robbed,pillaged and exploited so many countries that are still trying to recover.
It’s easy to see as their history is filled with pillaging multiple countries. Look at South Africa, for instance that is still reeling from their interference and the downfall that continues to this day.
That article is shady as f*ck. It goes into plenty of detail about Camilla being seen as “an adulteress” the Queen didn’t accept for years, but now she soothes Charles & will help him become the King he needs to be or some such nonsense. It also all but admits that they lied at the time of the wedding so the public would accept the marriage. And discussing the Koh-i-Noor is a deliberate way to rile people up–like, “Oh, you weren’t thrilled about Camilla as your Queen? Well she’s also going to wear this stolen diamond monstrosity when she’s crowned to rule over you!” The peasants in the comments are not happy.
The DM might as well have titled it “Camilla the Great.”
Who will admire persons as a Home wrecker? To be idolized and represent to almost all nations from a Monarchy, from a British empire?
“Charles came close to announcing it in 2019” says it all, really.
Not HM, but Charles.
Yes, he’s been guiding decisions ( or flat out *making* them ) easily since ’19.
So Chuck was ~ 100% behind the total H&M ousting? Interesting take, but believable. Maybe influenced by Billy & Katty and/or laid some blame at courtier’s feet for plausible deniability? In re: “cultural and ethnic diversity” I keep thinking about pix of beaming Prince Phillip when H&M introduced Archie to Q & Phillip, the first great-grandchild to adopt Mountbatten-Windsor name. So far, only H&M used Mountbatten-Windsor, one of few things that make me sympathize w-Phil.
Of course she’s going to wear that crown. The 2019 bit is interesting though, wonder who stopped charles from announcing it then (Phillip?)
I think that it a safe to say the PP put the muzzle on Chaz. PP wasn’t one to mince words, as it were. PP would have taken the plans that Chaz was devising in 2019 as inappropriate, which it was. But Chaz is in charge now. I was wondering if TQ actually knew what she was signing when that posting was made of her acceptance to Camilla being titled as QC, as she is clearly not up to her usual self. Unfortunately, I think TQ’s health is deteriorating at a much more rapid pace than we all know.
My family was watching TV when Tampon appeared to talk about PP right after the news broke,
my mom and sister swear they saw Chuck smirk at the end of his speech (as if he got caught doing a duping delight) lol
That kind of stuck to me because the Queen looked really thin after PP’s death as if the end was near
As I see it the bulk of the British population is currently apathetic to mildly positive about the BRF (always had TQ around, not even questioning the purpose of the institution, familiarity, etc.). I really hope that shining a light on things like this will finally help to shift attitudes to question what they do and what they have. The mainstream media are completely on-side but thanks to the internet we’re no longer reliant on them to give visibility to stories like this. More and more people are questioning our history and how we got here (see the people who pulled down the statue celebrating a slave trader here in Bristol and all the places changing their name to no longer honour him).
Back to one of my favourite twitter quotes: name something that sounds British but isn’t – the contents of the British Museum.
Ooh, that’s a good joke. I agree, it is beyond time that we recognize and deal with the long shadow of colonialism, which includes returning the spoils of exploitation.
The irony is that for the royal family, doing so (returning and restoring loot, acknowledging harm, perhaps making some kind of reparations) might actually go a long way towards repairing their image and increasing their standing in the world. But I can’t see it, even to preserve their beloved commonwealth. The RF kinda still exists in this bygone world.
Can I ask you, what was the general reaction to changing street names where you are? I’m curious, as we are going through a similar reckoning where I live, and I have been surprised by the vehemence of some of my fellow citizens on changing street names or school names, as well as curriculum ( I live in Canada).
The Royal Family should lead by example and return all looted jewels to their home countries. I doesn’t matter if they were “given as gifts”, they were the spoils of colonialism and as a show of goodwill, understanding and anti-racism they should return those jewels.
I think they should get totally new crowns, something beautiful by today’s standards. I love gems but those crowns are over the top gaudy and klutzy. Looted jewels need to be returned and smudged/exorcised. You absolutely can have all the pomp and circumstance with new bitchin crowns circa 2022.
Huh, actually, apart from Koh-i-Noor, all their crown jewels were legimately acquired: either commissioned, or gifted (the stars of Africa), or a barter payment (Black Prince’s Ruby). Even the Koh-i-Noor, one can argue it was a gift from the last hair of a princely Indian state, albeit it being made under coercion.
I’m low key tickled that all of the embiggening happening around Camilla right now is going to be nullified later this year with the next season of The Crown and a new documentary about Diana that, according to reviews, is the best ever made. The timing couldn’t be more perfect.
With each exposing the truth about Camilla, and Chaz, exposing each of them with the disgust, loss of respect and the avalanche that they both richly deserve. Chaz should have kept him little head where it belonged, in his pants!!
Me too! I got my popcorn ready
As I commented yesterday the royals didn’t read the room before dropping the Camilla will be queen consort bomb. Sounds like most of the public is not OK with this. And using Meghan? Meghan didn’t hook up with a married prince nor did she cheat on a boyfriend with Harry. Hope that was thrown in some faces.
Another titles question: if after they are both crowned Charles dies b4 Camilla woul she then be known as the Queen Mother or The Queen Step Mother during Basher’s reign?
Technically as widow of a king, Camilla would be queen dowager or dowager queen. Elizabeth’s mother was known as the Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother to avoid confusion between two queens of the same name. But l don’t know if Camilla would be given the same appellation since she wouldn’t be the mother of the reigning monarch.
She will be Queen Camilla even if William is king. Queen mother was an invented name because The queen mum did not want to be called the dowager Queen as her first name was Elizabeth and it would be confusing to also refer to her as Queen Elizabeth.
“Queen Mother” wasn’t “invented” just for the widow of George VI or just because she and her daughter had the same name. She was the queen mother because she had been crowned queen consort, widowed, and was also the mother of a monarch. Queen Mary, for example, also held that title as both crowned (widowed) consort and the mother of a monarch.
Camilla won’t be queen mother as she’s not mother of a monarch, and will never be. She could potentially be dowager queen as widow of a monarch. Morbid but there it is.
Regnant, consort, dowager and mother are all different
She cannot be the Queen mother. She did not give birth to Harry or William. she cannot claim that she had royal children, something she cannot do. She would be dowager.
Queen Mary was never officially called the queen mother and she was also the mother of George VI. Same as Queen Alexandra was never called that. They were called by their first names or dowager Queen. So yes the style was invented for Elizabeth Bowes Lyon because there are several mothers of the current monarch who were never called the Queen Mother.
Please check actual history
I don’t understand why they needed to announce this now? She could just show up at the coronation with that crown on her head. Has Camilla already contacted a designer to work on her coronation dress? Is this what Charles is spending his time doing? Openly planning his coronation? Does he have his “my dear mama” speech written? For all the family’s comment on how they will circle around the queen now that Phillip is gone, the queen is alone with staff at Sandringham and the one child who would have been there with her can’t. I know Elizabeth Regina is problematic as hell as a queen and as a mother but I find this long drawn out lonely public ending sad.
Completely agree. Why are they all abandoning QE? She was left alone on her jubilee day, just got some drawings from some ladies club or sumth like that. Didnt they say that QE would always be in the company of a family member after PP death?
It just looks soo bad.
Also Ijust read that BP have 775 rooms but only 19 open to the public. That leaves 755 rooms?! Surely they could do something meaningful with that space!
Also it is a pandemic, people are suffering but they chose to focus on displaying opulent jewels and extravagant celebrations and constantly rub it in peoples faces?
This is just awful.
It feels like this story is an attempt to soothe an unhappy populace who must be objecting to the idea of Queen Camilla: No, pay no mind, it’s not a sudden change, this has been in the works for years, you’ll get used to it, and don’t worry, the queen totally knows and gives her full approval, as you can see from this very official looking document! That she signed, erm, recently. Oh, just take our word for it, the queen approves! You’ll learn to love it!
Yesterday’s MoS had a,full page article on PC’s 22 year campaign to gain public acceptance of Cam. The campaign was led by Mark Bolland’s, PR guru hired by PC in 1996. From then on he took every opportunity to portray PC as a loving dad & concerned single parent whilst pushing Camilla. It concludes that sometimes Mr Bolland’s ploys- mischievously spreading stories detrimental to senior royals to make Camilla look good in comparison- backfired!
Jaw dropping to see that open acknowledged that PC was happy to exploit his children and see relatives slighted to promote public acceptance of Cam’s transition from mistress to that of wife and now FQ!
We really need that new season of The Crown to air asap! They will pull no punches depicting what Charles and Cam did to Diana during the rest of Di’s life. Hopefully the new season and the coronation will synchronize and reap cosmic payback for all the things C&C hoped people would forget about.
It’s 2022. How is people wearing crowns still a thing
Queen Cam, just before the next season of the Crown. While this is always what Chuck wanted, and QEII not being well , the timing makes sense. But the next season of the crown is going to show chuck and cam for who they are.
Affairs in that set aren’t just common but expected. To make it work there are rules. The most important being you show both discretion and respect to your spouse. Diana kept her shit tight. Cam and Chuck spent the entire part of their affair that overlapped their marriages treating Diana like shit. They mocked and humiliated her at every turn, including cam acting as hostess at highgrove when Diana was in London.
This is all part of damage control. Also, a nice jab at ffq kate to remind her to stay in her lane
Highly recommend reading: “Koh-i-Noor: The History of the World’s Most Infamous Diamond” by William Daylrymple and Anita Anand to get a true picture of the storied diamond. Available in e-book from local library. (Anita Anand also wrote book about Duleep Singh descendant suffragette Sophia, but n/a at my library.)
I haven’t read that book, though I want to. Here is a summary in a review of the book: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/true-story-koh-i-noor-diamondand-why-british-wont-give-it-back-180964660/. Here is an account on sikhnet.com https://www.sikhnet.com/news/who-really-owns-koh-i-noor-diamond-part-i-op-ed which I find interesting.
The way Victoria got her paws on the stone was just another incident of the spoils of war passing from vanquished to conqueror in a long line of conflicts in that region. If the stone is to be returned, who is it to be returned to? India? Pakistan? The Taliban? Iran? Whatever the legitimacy of the acquisition of the bauble, it does seem tone deaf to me to be flaunting Britain’s acquisitiveness during its colonial past, especially with respect to India, by drawing attention to this controversial Jewel in the Crown this way. Charles may want to be known as progressive, but he is drawing attention to events that occurred 170 years ago.
The question of what crown a Queen Camilla will wear at Charles’ cornonation naturally flows from Elizabeth’s announcement, and it does seem natural that the incoming Queen Consort would wear the same crown as the Queen Consort wore in 1937, What can be done? Replace the Koh-I-Noor with some other shiny bauble as a sign of acknowledgement of the controversy and respect for the claimants? I don’t know. It will be interesting to see what happens.
Maybe this is just me, but I have to think that when the British people realize they’re going to be looking at Charles Appalachian banjo-player-looking face on all of their money, the idea of King Charles will become MUCH less appealing, not that it was appealing to begin with. And I FULLY, 100% feel confident that there absolutely no f$cking way in hell the people of Britain will want to see WILLIAM’S sour face on their money, should HE become king.
This is all really distasteful.
I dont mind Cams really she seems fine, but please have some respect for all the people involved and for the constitution and the church of England.
This is such a sham Charles is nuts with his obsession with Camilla! Really now there are more than 8000 comments on the
DM article and people are not pleased!
It really cant be easy for Camilla, shes an old grandma and I bet she just wants to play with her grandkids and have a G&T in peace.
Instead she is tossed on to the world stage with a ridiculous crown on her head with a controversial diamond on top!!
And she will be torn a part for it jee this is almost bordering onabusive towards her from Charles imo. I winder how her kids feel about it..
And I am saying this a a huge fan of lady Diana.
It is quite shocking all in all!!
What camilla wants camilla gets.
What charles wants camilla to have he will make sure she has.
Also: be careful what you wish for….you just might get it.
I think she wants this. If she did not she would have left the scene after Charles got engaged to Diana. Camilla hurt another woman in the process. I don’t see her as a victim. Never have never will. Camilla looks positively joyful when she wears one of those tiara. I think this is her dream.
@Charm, part of me believes between Charles’s whinging, and Camilla’s sideline smirking, that the Queen decided to troll these two with her “sincerest wish” for them. Indeed, be careful what you wish for in deed.
Just a theory, but could the Queen Camilla be a trade off for ensuring Edward receives the Duke of Edinburgh title after Liz’s death?
You’ll about get that Indian jewel when the British return the Elgin Marbles back to Greece
Yes, thats true Camilla should left the scene after Charles got engaged to Diana but instead she strongly pursuing their relationship until the marriage ends. It would always the woman who should stop that kind of relationship????? Hurting a woman’s feeling and hurting Harry and William
Gee, I wonder how all of this would be going down if Diana were still alive? Would Camilla still be going to be crowned Queen Consort?
Ah, well, we’ll never know. Because Diana died in that awful accident. The one with the drunken limosine driver who not only had a Blood Alcohol Level almost four times the legal limit but also had a never-explained carbon monoxide blood level that was off the charts. So off the charts that numerous physicians have since commented that anyone with a carbon monoxide level that high would likely not be conscious.
Yes, I still think Diana was murdered. By whom? Don’t know. But it sure worked out nicely for Charles and Camilla, didn’t it?