On Saturday, Queen Elizabeth II’s eight grandchildren (the ones we know of, in any case) did a special “vigil” for their gran. QEII’s adult children had done their vigil on Friday evening. These vigils only take about fifteen minutes, and they’re a sign of respect and contemplation… in full view of cameras and the endless Queue of mourners. The grandchildren’s vigil was organized specifically around Prince William and Prince Harry taking the “head” and the “foot” of the casket (or catafalque, a word we’ve learned this week). The other six grandchildren were positioned just so around the “body” of the casket. As with the Friday vigil, I do wonder if the Windsors have to practice all of these regimented mourning acts.
Zara Phillips-Tindall seemed to be walking with a limp, and she also seemed to lose a shoe as she walked up the stairs. I think Viscount Severn, the youngest grandchild, is a little bit too young for this kind of thing (James is only 14), and I feel so bad for Lady Louise. She’s supposed to be starting college at St. Andrew’s right now. Beatrice and Eugenie both seem pretty gutted. They were both very close to their grandmother.
I was going to say that all of the grandchildren looked and behaved with utter dignity, but it looks like Buckingham Palace handed Harry a huge insult. King Charles “requested” that Harry wear his uniform – because the Windsors were getting a massive amount of criticism for insulting veterans internationally – but when the Palace sent him his uniform, there was something missing:
Prince Harry wore his military uniform during a vigil for Queen Elizabeth II after getting special permission from King Charles III to wear it — but it may have come with a hidden insult. While both Harry, 38, and his brother Prince William, 40, wore the Blues and Royals No. 1 dress uniform “at the King’s request,” the outfit that Harry received from Buckingham Palace notably lacked a crucial piece of hardware: the late queen’s royal cypher, her initials “ER.”
William’s uniform, eagle-eyed royal watchers noted, sported the cypher on both shoulder epaulets. Harry’s did not.
“He is heartbroken,” a friend told the Sunday Times of London. “To remove his grandmother’s initials feels very intentional.”
So “devastated” was he, the friend said, that the prince nearly donned a morning suit to avoid the “humiliation.” One insider disputed the account, denying that an alternate outfit was ever under consideration — but admitted that the “ER” cypher had indeed been removed from Harry’s uniform.
Again, the pettiness and cruelty is the point. This family wants the world to see them shun and insult Harry for marrying a Black woman. The instituton wants the world to watch as they try to destroy this couple merely for walking away. If I was in Harry’s position, I would have worn a suit, but he’s probably just trying to get through these final days in the UK.
Photos courtesy of Avalon Red.
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- The Queen’s grandchildren, Prince William, Prince of Wales, Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex, Zara Tindall, Peter Philips, Princess Beatrice, Princess Eugenie, Lady Louise Windsor and James, Viscount Severn, arrive to hold a vigil beside the coffin of Queen Elizabeth II as it lies in state on the catafalque in Westminster Hall, at the Palace of Westminster, London.,Image: 723638763, License: Rights-managed, Restrictions: , Model Release: no, Credit line: Ian Vogler / Avalon
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- The Queen’s grandchildren, Prince William, Prince of Wales, Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex, Zara Tindall, Peter Philips, Princess Beatrice, Princess Eugenie, Lady Louise Windsor and James, Viscount Severn, arrive to hold a vigil beside the coffin of Queen Elizabeth II as it lies in state on the catafalque in Westminster Hall, at the Palace of Westminster, London.,Image: 723638773, License: Rights-managed, Restrictions: , Model Release: no, Credit line: Ian Vogler / Avalon
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- The Queen’s grandchildren, Prince William, Prince of Wales, Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex, Zara Tindall, Peter Philips, Princess Beatrice, Princess Eugenie, Lady Louise Windsor and James, Viscount Severn, arrive to hold a vigil beside the coffin of Queen Elizabeth II as it lies in state on the catafalque in Westminster Hall, at the Palace of Westminster, London.,Image: 723638812, License: Rights-managed, Restrictions: , Model Release: no, Credit line: Ian Vogler / Avalon
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- The Queen’s grandchildren, Prince William, Prince of Wales, Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex, Zara Tindall, Peter Philips, Princess Beatrice, Princess Eugenie, Lady Louise Windsor and James, Viscount Severn, arrive to hold a vigil beside the coffin of Queen Elizabeth II as it lies in state on the catafalque in Westminster Hall, at the Palace of Westminster, London.,Image: 723638812, License: Rights-managed, Restrictions: , Model Release: no, Credit line: Ian Vogler / Avalon
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- The Queen’s grandchildren, Prince William, Prince of Wales, Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex, Zara Tindall, Peter Philips, Princess Beatrice, Princess Eugenie, Lady Louise Windsor and James, Viscount Severn, arrive to hold a vigil beside the coffin of Queen Elizabeth II as it lies in state on the catafalque in Westminster Hall, at the Palace of Westminster, London.,Image: 723638853, License: Rights-managed, Restrictions: , Model Release: no, Credit line: Ian Vogler / Avalon
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- The Queen’s grandchildren, Prince William, Prince of Wales, Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex, Zara Tindall, Peter Philips, Princess Beatrice, Princess Eugenie, Lady Louise Windsor and James, Viscount Severn, arrive to hold a vigil beside the coffin of Queen Elizabeth II as it lies in state on the catafalque in Westminster Hall, at the Palace of Westminster, London.,Image: 723638853, License: Rights-managed, Restrictions: , Model Release: no, Credit line: Ian Vogler / Avalon
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- The Queen’s grandchildren, Prince William, Prince of Wales, Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex, Zara Tindall, Peter Philips, Princess Beatrice, Princess Eugenie, Lady Louise Windsor and James, Viscount Severn, arrive to hold a vigil beside the coffin of Queen Elizabeth II as it lies in state on the catafalque in Westminster Hall, at the Palace of Westminster, London.,Image: 723638878, License: Rights-managed, Restrictions: , Model Release: no, Credit line: Ian Vogler / Avalon
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- The Queen’s grandchildren, Prince William, Prince of Wales, Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex, Zara Tindall, Peter Philips, Princess Beatrice, Princess Eugenie, Lady Louise Windsor and James, Viscount Severn, arrive to hold a vigil beside the coffin of Queen Elizabeth II as it lies in state on the catafalque in Westminster Hall, at the Palace of Westminster, London.,Image: 723638895, License: Rights-managed, Restrictions: , Model Release: no, Credit line: Ian Vogler / Avalon
It’s pathetic that Charles In Charge can’t get through his mother’s funeral without antagonizing and briefing against his son.
I will be relieved for Harry and meghan when they can finally escape. Don’t come back for the coronation. They will want them back…beg for them back. Let the funeral be the end of it. I am also curious to see how long Charles lasts being as vindictive and petty as he is.
You are correct. Toxic people will drain all your energy, if you let them. Sometimes you just have to say a prayer an keep moving.
I agree with all of you on this. The thing is, they are too doughey and dense to see that this cruel pettiness is exactly why Harry took his family away from it all. No, in their eyes Meghan and Harry will always be at fault. They are despicable.
In the following (very interesting) article there is a bit that explains what happened to a certain monarchy after their long-reigning monarch died. I have my fingers crossed that the same fate befalls the BRF.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/perhaps-behind-the-crown-lies-nothing-at-all-20220916-p5biop.html
The treatment of Harry and Meghan is wicked beyond belief and utterly heartbreaking.
King Charles III has chosen a path of pure foolishness.
At this point, the BRF are just hurting themselves by all these actions against prince Harry. When they refused him to wear a uniform, the disrespect was felt by all men and women who have served their respective countries, prince Harry was not humiliated but the entire population of vets felt together with him collectively. This is the same, if people noticed this, trust me, many vets noticed, and the humiliation is not Harry’s to bear. Why did they even ask him to wear a uniform if they were going to do this; or they thought they would get away with this unnoticed? SMH, how foolish are these people?
I tell you, Monday can’t come soon enough for me; I am so sick and tired of this sheet. And I’m sure the Sussexes feel the same way.
Did they (whoever made this very stupid decision) really think that the whole world wouldn’t hear about this? Did they think it would be admired to hurt Harry like this? Such complete idiots.
25 years after her death, I’m only now realizing how prescient, insightful, honest and smart Diana was about… Everything.
They still think it’s the bloody middle ages. They still think power flows top down. They still don’t understand that power now comes from the consent of the governed. They especially don’t understand that if they sold themselves as cute figure heads for tourists in a “ceremonial” role, people want to see them being cute ceremonial figureheads – not imperious, petty despots shouting about pens, slathered in chocolates medals and petulantly trying to “punish” the family members who are actually liked by the public.
Diana said Charles isn’t fit to be king. In less than two weeks he proved her right. There is no maturity here, no elder statesman, no growth, no strategy, no leadership, no big picture or long view or diplomacy or anything that’s changed about the peevish man who hated his child bride for out shining him.
Diana also called her second son “good king Harry” back when he was a little boy. And look at the mature dignified impressive man he grew to to be. He’s rubber – every insult they threw at him this week bounced off. He is the statesman, the leader, the diplomat. I’m the eyes of the world he’s the soldier who puts aside personal feeling to carry out his duty.
We hear over and over again that the Windsors care about succession, the continuity of the family is all that matters. London Bridge was supposed to ensure that – the transfer of power, continuity.
What are they doing instead? Sh-tting on the ONE family member who unambiguously can carry them into the future.
In The Crown, Margaret Thatcher was shocked by the Windsors and her husband called them (correctly), “boorish, snobbish, and rude.”
In light of unfolding events, that summary seems to have omitted a crucial adjective: stupid. Deeply, foolishly, stupid.
What a clown show. The firm is just full of really terrible people.
Thus show seems endless seriously.
I actually gasped and threw curse word when I saw that headline in the Fail. The pettiness and cruelty in giving Harry an incomplete uniform just beggars belief. It was made even more galling when I read Andrew was allowed to keep his “stripes” I could honestly weep for Harry. To send him out in a “duff” uniform to grieve for a grandmother who he adored is bordering on sadistic.
Shame on William and Charles for allowing this to happen.
The more dumb shit they do to Harry, the more threatened and weak they look. Like no one cares about Bulliam. Chuck is despised. Foreign dignitaries see the incompetence of their leadership and they’re both supremely unlikable, ignorant, and self-absorbed. Without Harry, they have little capability to make the type of impact they want. Harry still outshined both kc3 and 🥚 at every turn. They aren’t taking him down by doing these petty, b%tch acts, they’re showing that they’re actually scared of Harry.
Wearing it without the ER just shows the world what petty jerks “ Charles in charge” and Prince Peggington are. The POW should enjoy his “ triumph” during this funeral because at the rate this crew is going they’ll be lucky if their subjects don’t ring up their French neighbors to see if there are any “ how to” manuals left lying around from the Revolution.
Harry was smart to wear the uniform this way vs reverting to the morning suit. It’s becoming abundantly clear who’s been lying and who hasn’t.
Exactly! If he had worn a suit instead then the media would’ve been focused on whether it was his decision or his father’s, and was it a snub to the queen!?!?! This way the entire world sees how petty Charles is being towards his son in a time of grief, and how dignified Harry is in the face of it. Talk about giving someone enough rope… between Charles’ clear incompetence and cruelty and Harry’s stoicism in response, he’s giving them enough rope for the entire institution.
“…at the rate this crew is going they’ll be lucky if their subjects don’t ring up their French neighbors to see if there are any “ how to” manuals left lying around from the Revolution.”
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Seconded, Deering! I am LMAO, Ellen.
Re the removal of the ER cypher – I’m shocked but not surprised and so very angry for H. These are malicious, petty, vindictive people.
So in that note, I will observe that William still can’t get anyone to tailor his suits/uniforms properly. The way that blue ribbon bunches up is so bad.
I’m literally counting the hours until the Sussex’s can leave. I actually googled non-stop flights they can take tomorrow afternoon to see how quickly they can bounce after the funeral. I just pray they don’t stay one second longer after the funeral ends. If I can’t bear it, I can’t imagine what they are feeling.
That said, I know Harry is mourning but he was looking like a 3-course meal in his uniform. Harry was looking FOINE!! 😋😋 Sorry Meghan, I swear I was looking respectfully.😇
LOL Snuffles, I’m sure Meghan was happy to see him in his uniform too.
I think they’ve already said they’re staying the whole damn mourning period (another week)! I am also counting the days til they can get out!
I think that was speculation. And it was unclear which period of mourning. The National period of mourning ends this Monday, but the family is supposed to continue mourning for another week beyond that. I don’t know what that entails. I assume that means they won’t do any official work and resume “back to normal” after the 26th.
Meghan and Harry are already respecting that by canceling planned appearances and pausing her podcast and cover stories. They don’t need to stay in the UK after the body is buried. They can continue their mourning back in Montecito with their babies.
Since Charles is making clear that they’re not family, they shouldn’t be expected to honor the “family mourning period”. I would be on the first ✈️ out Tuesday morning. And I hope the memoir spills all the ☕. If he skips the coronation, no one who is fair can blame him.
@snuffles. Lol. Yes , I too have been enjoying Harry in that uniform very respectfully. Meghan completely understands that she married a full meal and we can’t help ourselves. Lol.
I’m curious how many daily non stops there are from London to LA. I imagine quite a few, even more when expanding airport options.
They’ve been flying American Airlines back and forth to London from LAX.
@Regal Beagle – Not British Airways? No wonder King Chuck E. Cheese and Clown Prince of Fails are so angry and petty. That’s a slap in the face to the monarchy! The Sussexes are telling the world they think Meghan and America is superior to the BRF, don’t you know!
/S (the above is total sarcasm, just to be clear!)
James’ side profile looks just like a young teenage William.
Totally agree Harry looked so fine in that uniform so somesous and yes respectfully so😊👍
The BRF is a cult, point blank. The way they punish Harry for leaving (even though they pushed him out) and constantly reminding him he is not “in” anymore is total cult behavior — the cruelty and intentto shame is the point.
Yeah, completely agree, though I compared them to an abusive husband. Some people got mad at me because they said I was victim blaming the one time I said it on here, but Harry needs to stop going back and/or giving them outs in interviews (not naming the racist, saying his brother/father/etc. were scared of the media). They continually spit on him again and again, and I hope he finally realizes-after all of this abuse-that enough is enough and walks away.
It’s not just him, but Meghan and their kid that also gets hurt. I get wanting the approval of an abusive parent, but there comes a time when you have to go no contact because that parent is so toxic…
@Div – I think Harry and Meghan have two children now, not just Archie? But point taken. Harry just needs to draw a line under the family, fly back to the USA and move on. They don’t want him, so he needs to just… give them all space. Forever. For the sake of his wife and children, he needs to protect his own made family too and leave that one behind.
His children will be fine without the HRH titles, promise.
They have 2 kids — Archie and Lili(bet). I’m so glad they named her after TQ’s nickname.
@Div
Lots of people here have said they hope he doesn’t go back anymore for whatever reason but your comment kind of reads like you’re second guessing the choices he’s made, that he ‘needs to finally realize’ when to draw the line. I’m sure he is already well aware of how painful this is for himself & his family (Meghan, Archie, Lili) and we don’t know what choices he’s already made for future engagement (or lack thereof).
IIRC he’s only been back to RF events for the Diana statue unveiling, Philips funeral, and the death of the Queen. Those are all one-off, significant events around people that were very important to him. I highly, highly doubt that ‘wanting the approval of an abusive parent’ was any factor in his decision to attend these events.
Yes, I imagine he’s still probably shocked and hurt by how cruel his family has been at this time, but there was no way he was ever going to stay in CA during the Queen’s funeral. It doesn’t mean that he hasn’t made choices to protect his family going forward. I personally give him the benefit of the doubt that he has.
I get it but a toxic family is not a toxic spouse and the v slight victim blaming on Harry’s behalf can be a little triggering. No one lets another person abuse them, the abuser chooses to abuse and it’s a massive mental strain the person on the receiving end, including the massive head game when the royal rota, part of the British public and ur own family is trying to mash their foot on his neck. He’s almost estranged from his family at this point and this is one last deed to honour his grandmother before the estrangement will take full effect.
It’s kind of interesting to read these comments, because it sounds like the brf, doesn’t it? They don’t want H&M back in the UK. They want to banish them. I doubt that will happen. H&M have charities in the UK that they are not going to turn their backs on, and they have friends and family (Spencers, Eugenie) that they are not going to forget.
I feel like the Home Office is going to have a difficult time convincing a judge that the Sussexes don’t need RPO’s, or permission for H&M’s personal security to carry guns and get intelligence. The only thing that the brf and bm have done all year is to make them targets. Congratulations, you’re helping him make his case.
Was thinking the same thing. This is cult behaviour.
Did “eagle-eyed royal watchers” spot this? Or did some courtier leak to the Fail because they thought it would be embarrassing to PH? I am beginning to wonder if it’s done and leaked to make KC look petty though. So could be PW has influence with courtiers and got this done?
It was definitely leaked. No one would have known otherwise.
I think someone leaked it. The intent says everything doesn’t it!? What a bunch of awful humans.
I don’t think anyone noticed it. It was just through the “source” that it became known. I still think it was Chuck who leaked because he wanted the world to know who’s in charge. It’s sick. He’s a sick, vindictive, nasty person.
What’s weird to me though is it says “when Harry received his uniform from BP” but why would they have his uniform? Wouldn’t it be kept at Frogmore Cottage or in Montecito? That part seemed odd to me but maybe it’s a way of showing that it was Chuck who made this decision to try to humiliate or punish Harry.
Harry and Meghan are much better people than me because I would not be keeping silent about all of this. If I were Harry, I’d be calling Oprah for another sit down interview and spill alllll the tea. Enough is enough.
It suggests they “repossessed” his uniforms as part of stripping his military honors!
Yea I think they repo’d everything associated with or paid for from firm funds, including Meghan’s royal wardrobe. Petty a-h*oles.
I’ve been wondering about the “his uniform” part – and given the recent 180 of the decision to let him wear one at all – are we sure it’s actually Harry’s uniform, or is the “his uniform” meaning the uniform that he was wearing, and not necessarily his personal one? I can see BP giving him a uniform to wear – and ensuring the ER wasn’t on it.
And yeah, this was completely leaked, not brought up by some “eagle eye viewer.”
Of course it was leaked! Look who Camilla’s biographer is, who their head of communications is. These are people who think they were born “special” and everyone needs to follow them.
Some people, when they are in a leadership position think they need to do better, be better, and worthy of the position. Some people think it means they can do whatever they want because they are the leader.
The leak of this petty action is part of the cruelty. How many people would have even noticed this. The cameras were generally far enough away and so it’s clear someone intended to do this.
The blame ultimately falls on Charles here, but William is supporting it. Both of them look like petty tyrants.
The specificity of the insignia being “removed” from his suit points to an attempt to take away something from Harry.
Otherwise, I think most people either would not have noticed the lack of initials or would have assumed that because of the late decision on the suit, there wasn’t time to make a “proper” one for Harry. That would be at least a plausible excuse, if an unlikely one. But instead, somebody certainly wants it out there that Harry is still being “punished” and “humiliated”. Andrew, of course, wears the full uniform with his mother’s initials “out of respect”. What a mockery they are making.
The interesting thing is though that all of this petty and malicious behavior just serves to make the BRF look SO BAD and at a time when the world is watching.
I do wonder who is advising them because they have made some serious missteps. H and M are well thought of and admired across the globe and treating them so shabbily just emphasizes how useless and nasty the BRF is.
YES. It really, really does make the BRF look so bad whichever way you slice it.
– Either it was intentional (my vote) and it shows how petty and pissy they are about getting slated by international viewers to the point where they had to do a 180 on the uniform issue.
– Or, they really are that bungling and incapable of coming up with a crucial piece of a uniform for ***the biggest ceremonial occasion they’ve had in 70 years***.
Both of these are terrible looks, but of course they wouldn’t foresee that, and of course they decided to leak the info, and of course it is going to bite them in the ass.
It just confirms what H&M have said since the Oprah interview. It also confirms Harry’s comments in The Me You Can’t See doc. So the Firm once again shoots itself in the foot. No way the Queen’s initials were removed by accident and then not noticed b4 the uni was sent.
Wow! They really can’t help themselves, can they? Anyway, I think they must practice the walk into the vigil and the grandchildren seemed more in sync than the parents.
I suspect the things that are occurring are not happening with the accord of the family as such. The same senior aides who want George to walk behind the coffin to provide ‘national reassurance’ (what nonsense- we don’t need it), are probably making these decisions to punish Harry- and the family are rubber stamping with little thought or attention to detail. When someone you love dies, it’s hard to concentrate as it is, throw in all this ceremony and I suspect you would just approve whatever is in front of you since you are grieving. Explains the reversals of similar decisions throughout these days tbh.
@Kitty, since QE2 has passed away, there have been so many petty moves against H&M, and neither Charles nor William has put out any statement condemning this behavior at all. No public apologies either. I cannot imagine, especially considering how the BRF treated H&M when QE2 was alive that this is an innocent oversight at all. They truly mean their cruelty.
Do you live in Britain? Ever worked at that kind of level? If so, you should know that it would be unlikely that a statement would be made – because it would be seen as publicly rebuking staff. (Whether that should happen or not- is a different matter). Your interpretation is as valid, but I would always be cautious to hold space for something other than inherent bias, and presenting it as fact. The leaks we are seeing at present very much (to me) seem to be very much in the style senior advisors taking over at a time of uncertainty. It’s possible they may be trying to curry favour, equally it’s possible that we are seeing the exposure of a particular camp within the team, whereas before their behaviour has been masked by other palace rivalries. This is one time where the palace should be like a vault, with nothing coming out of it.
ETA- Correct spelling
@Kitty, would there also be some problem between Elizabeth’s and Charles’ staff as the transition occurs? Or should the chain of command have been completely set in the LB plans?
Charles’ little petty moves with ink wells and ink pens and gesturing rudely at a staff member and mumbling around aren’t “publicly rebuking staff”?
This is a reply to @missmarirose
London Bridge refers only to the plan in regard to ceremonies, the policing, travel, security, how various government depts will work together during this period and what their responsibilities are. It is likely there is a corresponding plan for the royal household but it will be focused on arrangements. ‘There will be X ceremony with Y’ people, elements of this plan were decided by the Queen, others were left fluid. (This is all public knowledge, which is why some of the reporting here and in other places is baffling). None of this is likely to relate to the staffing of various royal households. There will be a transitional period at the various palaces, probably for some months to come, as the households find their feet and the new monarch works out exactly who and what he wants where, what his schedule is etc. So I’d expect to see changes and movement for quite some time to come. Never assume malice where incompetence would do.
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Oh please. The rot starts at the top and we all know it. FFS, give it a rest. The only thing they rubber-stamp is bullying and emotional abuse.
Agree, no doubt the majority of their aides are as terrible as they are, but this cruelty comes from the top.
Edward Young needs to be turfed if Charles wants to ever be taken seriously. Charles is ultimately responsible but you can see Young also direct his petty bs and do things like float George attending the state funeral. If William actually puts his 9 year old son through that then he’s forgotten everything he endured at his mothers funeral. Both Harry and William said they did not like being a part of it and they were much older.
Actually KC3 decided to keep him because Young is great at delivering bad news to family. Saw it in DF yesterday.
I’m guessing he is also the one pushing for George to walk in funeral procession because of message it sends
Charles will never let him go, Edward Young is to Charles what Jason Knauf is to William. An evil, obsequious toady who will do all his dirty work, and he loathes the Sussexes.
For reference, I’ll compare the president of the United States. If staff working for him did this, he would be held to account.
The bottom line is it’s horrible management if in fact it’s not deliberate.
But even then, you’re ignoring a consistent thread of petty vindictive behavior, going back to Diana and her security, Diana and her death, Harry and his security, on and on.
The royal family is a brand and Charles is supposed to be the brand manager. If he hires bad staff, that’s on him. Honestly, it’s not hard to avoid mistakes like this and if it happened by accident, to avert the PR disaster.
Your take seems to be we can’t hold Charles accountable for anything, because grief. But the point is, the world does hold him accountable. That’s his job.
@Kitty this has been my thought as well watching all of this unfold on Twitter. The family seems distracted with a billion other things, but their proxy minions are all currently in a kicked anthill of moving hierarchies and priorities with what I’m absolutely positive are power struggles behind the scenes as they all try to capitalize on this once in a lifetime opportunity to leap ahead (or fall behind) in their ambitions.
I wonder if some of that we’re watching is the result of plain old palace intrigue where different camps are working to different ends within all the palaces, and as a result certain agendas that in past house stability would have been more “coordinated” are now occurring out of sync and not necessarily with the same shared goal across all houses.
I feel like it’s important to remember just how many staff in every royal household have been upended and shuffled around in the last week. (Close to 600 just in the late Queen and now King’s London house staffs combined) For an organization that was already a seive for leaks and power battles via the media, this just feels like when you toss a match into a cloud of sawdust that’s been kicked up.
Kitty, I think that is a fair point because the staff may be pissed at Chuck et al.
My interpretation: However, even if they’re pissed, this makes Chuck look crazy and unhinged (lol maybe Peggington and Wails are doing all these to look good). This funeral has been planned for the past 10 years, they would probably make annual revisions, and ramp up the revisions since HM left, Queenie got Covid and Philip passed. We have seen their staff screw up time and time again, which does not reflect well on the entire family and especially Chuck as he is holding the fort now. The BRF is all about duties and ceremonial PR. That’s how they justify their existence. If they cannot get a grip on their GOT staff shenanigans when there is a change of guard (which was not unexpected – gal was 96), then how is Chuck reviewing the red box documents? Is he just signing off things without thinking? Is he just taking suitcases of money without thinking? That’s a fumbling head of state who does not instill confidence or trust. Yes he is not PM, but he has responsibilities especially when it comes to pomp and pageantry and protecting the brand (whatever the brand is). Maybe they have not publicly rebuked staff but we have seen all the press narratives of blaming staff e.g. WK Caribbean’s tour, blaming Michael Fawcett.
Great points Kitty and others. I can see how this could happen. As an American, having the ‘staff’ take charge without the authorization of those in charge seems far-fetched’. However, I recognize that palace operations and courtiers are distinctly different from the culture and style we see in the US. It will be interesting to see what happens after the funeral and the conclusion of the formal mourning period. I’m not a huge fan of Chuck but hope that he can operate competently and demonstrate some level of devotion towards his family, particularly H&M.
It doesn’t matter whether or not members of the RF are distracted by grief, etc. (Also, remember how long they’ve supposedly had to prepare for this occasion. TQ didn’t suddenly wake up one morning as a woman in her 90’s in ill health.). All this is happening because that family created an environment, over the last few years in particular, where this behavior on the part of family/courtiers/staff/the media is tolerated, permitted, and, in many cases, actively encouraged. No effort was made to control it, either because it served their overall purpose, and/or, because Charles is a weak, ineffective leader, who has advisors as small-minded and petty at heart as he obviously is, and likewise incapable of seeing the bigger picture. And now it’s coming back to bite them in the butt on a global scale. Their poor treatment of Harry and harassment of Meghan is magnified for the world to see.
And speaking of the rest of the world, between yesterday’s gathering and tonight’s reception, Will and Kate are meeting a majority of the world and Commonwealth leaders. Will’s not overly bright, but at least he has the training to handle these interactions. I can’t imagine what these people must think of Kate, who lacks not only training but common sense, and in every situation seems unable to help herself from trying for the relevant photo op (see hand on arm of black dignitary, above). Not to mention, a number of these leaders will likely have seen coverage of the Caribbean flop tour earlier this year.
I’m so glad for Harry and Meghan that they’ve been “uninvited” and don’t have to participate in these spectacles.
Kity, Bananarama, Alexandria, thanks for giving us the approved palace talking points. You’ve done an exceptional job of it, too. You really need to think about what you’re telling us.
The staff run the asylum. If the staff is wrong, the poor, distracted family can’t be held accountable. Even if it happens several times. Poor dear helpless family.
If the King can’t get his staff under control when the ENTIRE WORLD is watching? You’ve got a problem. This isn’t something that just gets swept under the rug. It’s happened too many times in the last week or so. The message that is going out is that the Sussexes are not wanted there. The message that’s going out is that the Sussexes are not valued as members of the family. My guess? I think that’s exactly what they want out there. As much as CIIIPO and the Prince of Fails want to banish the Sussexes, they are unable to do so. The only other route they believe they have is to make it very clear to them they are not wanted.
I don’t think Harry will care if the Firm/family members don’t want them. The UK is his home (yes, Montecito is home, too) and he has charities, Spencer family and friends there. It’s going to get very interesting in the next couple of years.
Goodness, that’s so f*cking petty.
The grandchildren had to have practiced. They were so in step and perfectly timed with each other, unlike when the children did it and were sloppy with their coordination.
They did. According to The Telegraph, they practiced for an hour the night before.
I will say it: what a sh-t show, and they are full of sh-t.
Both Harry and Meghan are going to need therapy when they finally get off that island of vipers.
Hopefully they’re touching base with their therapists right now because this family is really torturing them.
Torturing is an apt description. 👍
As I was doing my morning stretches and just thinking about the plan for the day in my regular civilian life – I’ve been curious on how their mornings have been. I imagine they’ve been meditating together, having their therapy sessions DAILY (hopefully) and facetiming their kids and reminding themselves of the beautiful life they have back home. I’m only reading about all this back and forth and it’s stressing me out. I can’t imagine being toyed with hoping to get a reaction so that they can leak it as some sort of outburst.
Mindy,
Harry said he feels sympathy for those who are trapped. They are bigger than this.
I’m sure it’s not easy but because M & H are succeeding internationally, I believe they can see that the pettiness & jealousy & racism are built into the system.
It’s clear that allowing Harry to wear the uniform was not about remembering the Queen but exacting revenge on and humiliating Harry. I don’t think we will see him at Charles’ coronation next year. I suspect that Charles is going to do more things to Harry and Meghan after the funeral. He is a cruel and petty man who shouldn’t be King.
@Amy Bee, Or maybe “We’ve been forced to bow to public opinion against our wishes, so we want to make you feel our displeasure, Harry. Bwah Hahahahahahaha!”
Yes but with the exception of one newspaper, it seems that the Harry pic was front and center and it was pointed out that he was the one that had military service.
“Sorry Meghan, I swear I was looking respectfully.” Me too, Snuffles. LOL
I thought he looked especially gutted, and this has to be why.
I doubt he actually cares about the missing initials on the uniform, he doesn’t seem as hung up on stuff like that as the rest of them, but knowing someone in his family intentionally did that, after all the other shit they’ve pulled, at a time when they should be uniting to grieve QE2, has to be so frustrating and enraging. I hope he and Meghan can leave soon, and be done with his family all together. They treated them so poorly this whole time, just be done. Don’t go back anymore. I think most of his willingness to be involved was for his grandmother, and she’s now gone, so no more.
I don’t know about that. I have never met a service member who isn’t bordering on anal retentive when it comes to their uniforms. That’s one of the biggest parts of basic training.
I commented last evening that after the grandchildren’s vigil, Harry must feel a certain peace at finally being able to honor his grandmother the meaningful way he wanted. And hopefully that’s true. However, at the time I did notice the brim of his cap was so low that his eyes were hidden, and his jaw was quite set. My initial thought seeing him was, for some reason he was angry, then I thought no, most likely he’s holding back grief. With this information about the insignia, I lean towards my original interpretation, there was anger there.
They may as well leave right after the funeral and do the remainder of their mourning at home. Any criticism they might get for not observing any family mandated mourning period physically in the UK couldn’t be any worse than what’s already been dished out, and with TQ gone, why should they care at this point?
Am both shocked and sad when I read this, he’s the only one who actually served properly. Chuck, you are not making a very good show of showing your love for them.
The love that Charles has for anyone, excluding Cam, is all conditional. Charles can speak publicly of his “love” for Harry and Meghan but his petty actions and his constant display of purposely excluding them and stripping the honour of the ER from his military uniform is utterly disgusting, petty and vindictive. And it isn’t lost on all of the Veterans in Britain and worldwide. There will be an unexpected uproar as Harry served not only his country for 2 tours but also his grandmother, the Queen. KCIII dictating their presence is telling the world how he truly feels regarding H&M.
As for staying for another week, why should they??? They are no longer members of the “working” RF, besides the fact that they have 2 small children at home. Two children that have been without their parents for 2+ weeks. Their life and children are all in California, not Britain.
Cruel and petty about stripping the ER from Harry’s uniform. I hope karma comes for Chuck the Turd in more ways than just being booed. He’s an absolute piece of sh!t.
Do we have any updates on whether Harry and Meghan are actually staying through the additional week of funeral activities? I really hope not. I hope they bounce as soon as this fiasco is over and head straight back to Montecito and never return to do another royal “family” event. Ever. No coronation, no balconies, nothing.
I just cannot get over what insecure, small, nasty men Chuck and Peggington are. For someone mourning the loss of his beloved mother, Chuck certainly has enough time and energy to figure out multiple ways to harm his own son. I’m only glad that the rest of the world is seeing who they are and I hope this behavior haunts them forever.
Ugh. I’m so disgusted on Harry’s (and Meghan’s) behalf. I’m sure he won’t because I don’t think this book is about settling scores, but I wish Harry would add some extra chapters and just go HAM on Chuck’s ass.
The entire world is witnessing this ‘shunning’ in real time. The Firm and the Brit Royalists think they are being clever, but the reality is they are contributing to the very demise of the institution they are so desperately trying to protect. They all look so bad. Can’t wait til Meghan and Harry are back home in Montecito.
And high profile blue check accounts are noticing and commenting.
It’s about time! Maria Shriver said what I was thinking. You just know she and Oprah are talking about this. I would not be surprised if Oprah sent her plane over there to whisk them back home ASAP. When they do come home let’s make this hashtag go viral #welcomehomeharryandmeghan
This! I posted something similar on Twitter this morning. Chuck and Peggington are cutting off their nose to spite their face with this behavior. The entire world is watching and seeing exactly how awful and racist they are. How petty and small and vindictive. These are not the qualities you want in a leader and Chuck can’t even keep it together for 1 week! He can’t even keep it together until no one is watching and then let the petty out. It’s an absolute shitshow! But I love that for them and can’t wait until the repercussions are felt. Hard.
Well, it’s safe to assume Harry’s book is going to be a huge blow to Charles and he deserves all the wrath that comes his way.
Normal people look at this and understand why Harry had to leave. There was clearly no middle ground with these petty tyrants. As it stands it looks like the Queen tempered some of this because it’s just out of control now.
This should all be so simple. All Charles had to do was behave like a father and decent human being to his son. He, or his staff, are shooting themselves in both feet. It’s such bad judgment. They could have played this as a time of mourning and reconciliation. Instead they are showing their ineptitude and pettiness to the entire world! SMH
Uh huh, now let’s hear more about how the RF needs Harry and wants him back.
Also, what medals is James wearing? I agree that he may be too young to have participated in this but also don’t think his parents would let him miss being a part of a historical event like this either.
I know they got medals for events like the jubilee itself etc.
Sophie looked very emotional watching this, and I have to think some of that was watching her baby go through this. He’s always seemed quite shy. To be on display like that would be so bizarre to any typical teen.
Sophie looked anxious, Lady Louise looked composed but you could see her brother struggle a little bit – he looked overwhelmed.
I was wondering whether James wanted to do this though? He’s 14 and the youngest cousin, maybe he really wanted to be included? 14 is such a tricky age, you want to be included with the grownups sometimes but you’re really still a child. I found myself moved by his presence, he was a bit wobbly but I really felt for him, standing there.
They all did an excellent job, but I was really moved by James. His resemblance to William and Harry at that age is remarkable, especially when you remember the photos of them following Diana’s casket. I have absolutely nothing to base this next opinion on, but I wouldn’t be at all surprised if we hear that Harry took him under his wing and mentored him through this. It seems like something he would do. I think their grandmother would be very proud of them all.
@ Carrotface, I too felt a deep sense of sorrow and sadness. His age is such a difficult period and for him to be involved in such a grand, as well as a public and worldwide audience, must have been daunting as well as powerful experience. I keep thinking of Pegginton and Harry being forced to walk behind their mothers coffin.
I will give it to Sophiesta, who appears genuinely moved and is clearly mourning QEII.
Maybe they’re medals handed down from grandad? Lady Louise has some of Phillip’s clothing and carriage racing stuff I believe, maybe James got some military stuff? All speculation.
I think Louise was hoping to get the carriage but it seems it went to ‘And also’ aka Penny Mountbatten.
All the male grandchildren were wearing the jubilee medals which they get for being alive at the time of the relevant jubilee. There is the Golden jubilee medal, given in 2002, diamond jubilee medal given in 2012 and then the platinum jubilee medal given in 2022.
All the grand children have them, but of course the sexist traditions don’t permit the women to wear theirs. James does not have the golden jubilee medal simply because he was not born at the time. Louise would not have been given it either.
Harry is the only one with the Afghanistan service medal because he is the only one who actively served in the armed forces.
Is that the white Maltese cross dangling below his front collar? Because l was looking at his and William’s medals and saw William didn’t have that cross. And that was very noticeable.
@feeshalori
I went down a rabbit hole to find out what cross it is that Harry wears around his neck. From what I can find, military necklets are pretty rare, and it looks like his is the Royal Victorian Order one. He was made a Knight Commander in 2015.
Here’s a picture I found of one – https://www.emedals.com/a-royal-victorian-order-k-c-v-o-knight-commander
Harry was given the Knight commander of the royal Victorian order in 2015. William has been given the order of the garter which is why his star badge looks different and he has the blue sash. William got his for being the eldest son of the prince of wales back in 2008.
The extra medal Harry earned for actual military service is to the left of the jubilee medals.
@Lynn, thanks for doing that deep dive about that Royal Victorian medal. I thought it looked very distinctive and l really like the look of that military necklet. And @Nic919, thank you also for the explanation of Harry’s military service medal. He has so much to be proud of and has the grit and courage of a true soldier.
Did any of the reporting say WHY they removed the initials?
Meanwhile, they’re just mad because Harry looks like he was made to wear a uniform. Whew.
He never had them in the first place, not even at his own wedding.
This whole story is odd.
There are photos of him in prior years wearing the initials.
Not true. He had them. My guess the cypher was removed when his royal honorary military appointments were taken away. I’m using US mag as a source for the image, not because I find them to be a credible source of info. Where on Will’s uniform is the cypher? Not saying it’s not there-just not seeing it.
https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/pictures/why-cant-prince-harry-wear-his-military-uniform-a-breakdown/
@HandforthParish Really he didn’t have them at his wedding? Are you sure? If this is true then the whole story is off. Surely we would have had some sort of ruckus in the press about it at the time. Also, why would Harry make a big deal about it now if he’s never had them?. The palace aides are certainly gleeful over the ER not being on the uniform so, it sounds as if it ER should have been there. Both Harry and William were wearing the same uniform so, why would William wear ER and Harry not? Andrew was also allowed to wear ER on his uniform, honestly this whole thing doesn’t make any sense.
@HandforthParish I’ve just trawled the internet and you’re right Harry doesn’t have ER on his wedding uniform and William does. This is bizarre (to say the least). I “wonder” if someone is trying to stir up trouble where there isn’t any to be had?
The shoulder of Harry’s wedding uniform is a crown and William’s is ER.
@ Agreatreckoning, thank you for the link, as I understand why you had to use US Weekly wasn’t your first, or 27th choice for a SM source.
The bots have been flooding the internet with that photo of Harry on his wedding day without the ER insignia in order to prove Harry is a liar. Almost sounds like a premeditated, coordinated smear against him, but the Royals never do that, do they?
At this point I’m thinking this whole story is made up and Harry never noticed the ER was missing, nor was he mad.
The royal initals are for the personal aid de camp of the queen. Harry lost this Position when he left/was pushed out.
This is his regular uniform, the same he had at his Wedding.
Since he knows the uniform regulations, I don’t think he was devestated, rather that the daily fail and courtiers are trying to create even more public conflicts and snubbing. I think the slights that were visible were not dramatic enought for the RR, and they try to create more drama and clicks.
Andrew is no longer an aide de camp so this doesn’t explain why the royal cypher was on his uniform at the vigil.
Charles was petty and that’s why this happened. There is no justifiable reason for this.
I think someone is once again trying to stir up controversy in the DM to alienate Harry and Meghan. The initials are only worn if you are an ADC to the King or Queen, Harry is not and wasn’t one when he married either. Andrew wore it because if you were an ADC before 1988 you can keep it. It’s one of those petty rules “important” in the royal circles but it’s plainly mystifying to normal people who have real lives.
I doubt Harry cares and doubt Charles has enough time to be so petty. He’s probably overwhelmed with other stuff.
Someone took the time to find that 1988 rule to cover for Andrew. It remains very petty seeing as Andrew didn’t have any more right to wear a uniform than Harry, but he got the one with all the bells and whistles.
Diana was right that Charles is not King material. What a petty, small, snivelling, vindictive toddler! “I can’t bear it”…about a leaky pen! This cruelty of removing of the ER from Harry’s uniform is beyond the pale.
Harry’s rigid posture and determined look must have been his determination to honor his grandmother despite the cruelty of her son and TOB.
I cannot wait for Harry and Meghan to leave these dispicable people and this salty island behind and never look back.
If I were H&M I would be hiring my own attorney to ensure the Queens will was properly administered and they received any inheritance they are due. These greedy boogers are not beyond stealing H&M’s rightful share. The pure pettiness of stripping the insignia off Harry’s uniform beggars belief. He actually f’ing served in a combat zone under the service of the Queen. Charlie has just shown his ass to the world, while the world is watching.
They definitely leaked it…who would have noticed apart from Harry? But they wanted to humiliate him… they had to retrieve their decision for Harry to wear a uniform after the global disapproval but they still found a way to show their real face..
on twitter people noted that they (william/charles) only leaked this information available as no one noticed yesterday because harry got all of the positive attention and reception. so again, they are just jealous and petty.
This too shall pass, Harry is the best looking in the lot, whether he is uniform or not.
Removing the ER does not negate the fact that Harry served under his grand mother, his Commander-in-Chief, including two tours of duty in Afghanistan, another reason why he needs extra security.
Even the urgency of the threat posed for him, they announced the slimmed down appearance at the balcony, whereas it was suggested that it was unsafe for all, if he is there.
While extending this cruelty, the media minions, kept whingeing about his upcoming memoirs.
In an effort to shame him, they media-rf combo became the embarrassment.
@ Well Wisher, I agree!! Harry not wearing his uniform nor the blatant vile and disgusting actions of “King” Charles and Peggington are all on display with the never ending coverage around the world.
This simply reinforces the comments made by H&M during the Oprah interview. I think the given the brevity of their revelations, KCIII and Peggington ARE the problem, not H&M!!!!
What a stupid PR move.
You want to show your power ?? Nope, you just show your pettiness. Worldwide.
Funny enough, some online news in my country wrote about India and South Africa want their diamonds back.
@ Zappyk I think that India didn’t miss a beat in demanding the 100+ct. of the Koor diamond back. The means in which they became entitled to the stone was purely coercion as well as threats of brutality as well.
It’s been in the international media. Everyone wants the jewels returned. Jamaica is moving to leave the commonwealth, and other countries are too. Tick tock! Time’s running out!
The disrespect and jealousy Charles shows towards his own child, his own flesh and blood is grotesque like him. Harry still looked devastatingly handsome in his uniform. The other royals don’t even come close to his presence and poise.
It is grotesque. Charles only has two children and does not even really like William much but he does this because he is putting first his own mistaken self interest.
@ Princess K, now let’s not forget the biggest issue at hand for KCIII. He is also not only acting in his best interest alone but also giving into the demands of his incandescent rage monster Peggington.
Might I just add that Pegginton bombarded his grandmother, upon the death of her husband of 73 years, with his incandescent rage of demands that Harry be refused to wear his uniform as well. QEII had had enough of Peggingtons usual temper tantrum and she was over his constant indignation that she chose that everyone would wearing mourning suits.
The monarchy *system, queen mother, late lizzie, etc) really RUINED these people’s heads. I can imagine little things they do, they expect a big reaction from Harry because those little things MEAN A LOT to them. They don’t mean anything to Harry – your fake uniforms – they don’t matter – none of this matters. It’s all make believe because the PEOPLE let you believe that. And THAT – the fact that Harry has joined a majority of the world – that doesn’t recognize or believe these people were actually CHOSEN by God to rule – is what I think makes them angrier the most. One of their own, so close and one who benefited so much from the system, DOES NOT want it – and his mere existence is a reminder that this is all make believe.
ABOLISH THE MONARCHY!!
I have ran out of words for Chucky. I didn’t know he could reach any further into the bowels of hell.
That monogram story was slapped together when no one commented about it in the press when the vigil happened. No one watching noticed or cared, they all just said how nice it was that Harry got to wear the uniform. This is how embarrassing and petty the courtiers are, that they have to draw attention to their bullying because no one realized it happened.
Also, no “sources close to Harry” spoke to the media. Anonymous palace sources don’t speak for the Sussexes on anything. They release official statements when they want to communicate, or the people close to them who want to say something do it publicly. Anything else is rota fanfic or the others in the palace playing the game.
Source from harry’s friend,
Ha! I dont think harry talk with any of his friends that run to british medias.
That source is william, cause no one notice that they were trying no insult harry.
He must be incendescent with rage when no one notice and all medias around the world kept cropping his face and posting harry face instead during the vigil.
@ Plums, thank you for pointing out the obvious of those that are aware of the machinations within the BRF, the Men in Grey as well as the courtiers within the Firm.
They are utter fools! All of them as they are purely exposing their pettiness and vindictive actions to the worldwide audience.
Karma can’t come swiftly enough for those that have caused unimaginable pain and harm. All due to jealousy.
As an American I see Harry has temporally returned to “working” in the royal family. What else can I call meeting the public mourners, or standing vigil by the Queens coffin. You’d think his father would be more appreciative.
In the end I see Harry and Meghan having the upper hand. So I don’t know why Charles is messing with them. Meghan is right. They can say anything. But the royal family can only leak through the newspapers ( a source close to Charlie’s type of thing). If I were Charles and William I wouldn’t bite my nose off to spite my face, but it looks like they are doing just that.
I’m coming around to the idea that some of this is Charles trying to rein in Andrew. But Charles is such a weak person that he can’t stand up to his own brother, it’s easier for him to hurt his own son.
Charles and William don’t seem to realize that Harry doesn’t need them. Quite the reverse. The sh*tshow of this week is nearly over, and once everyone in Britain goes back to work, it will become clear how small and basically irrelevant they are. Especially when the looming recession hits, and Truss starts trying to play Margaret Thatcher against the working class.
H&M have taken enough of this sh*t. I suspect that when they leave (hopefully tomorrow right immediately after the funeral, I’ll bet that they have a private plane standing by) it will be the last time they return to the UK.
The initials were not removed from Andrew’s uniform.
This! I was watching the queue and public procession by the Queen’s casket and it’s clear so many average Briton’s are truly suffering. It’s not just about the queen – it’s the economy, cost of living, etc. be careful what you wish for. Careful King Chuckles the mob is fickle. His reign is not going to be a good one.
Not at all surprised Charles is being this petty and childish. After all, Chuck E Three’s is where a kid can be a kid.
just a few more days hm, hang on there
The whole thing lasts ridiculously long… yesterday, a close friend joked by saying:”The queen died at 96 but she would be 98 till she’d be buried”🤣🤣🤣😉
Why doesn’t Anne poke her big bro & tell him that his inherent nastiness to Harry is making them all look very bad? The RF is getting more world-wide attention this week than it ever has or likely will again & Chuck is flunking, badly.
Anne is said to be due for a big upgrade, due to her closeness to Chuck but she’s letting him flop like an out-of-water fish. Does she hate Meghan too, so much that she lets her nephew get publicly abused? Maybe she’s expressed enough Sussex-negativity within her household that it emboldened Mike T to launch his vitriol?
For all we know she has. But KC3 seems drunk with power and he just knows that he knows best, being king and all. Everyone was worried about reining in Andrew but this is Chuckles reigning without reins.
Anne’s probably totally fine with this. They are all probably fine with this.
With, or without the er, prince harry can really wear a uniform, not bad in a mourning suit either. If I was Charlie, and old Peggy, I would be jealous too. Not a one of them compares near as well as prince harry. What a man.
Can this extended dance-version of a funeral just end already? It’s turning into The Daily Snub. At least Chuck and Burger King are destroying any sense of olive-branching that they wanted to be seen as extending. These two clowns (and now I’m starting to feel sorry for real-life good-meaning hard-working clowns when I apply that word here) will have zero laurels to rest on once Harry’s truth bombs start flying in the coming months. The “oh, but we let him come to the walkabout at Windsor” narrative has been destroyed along with the “oh, but we let him wear his uniform at the vigil” narrative.
This must be just torture for H&M along with being separated from their children at the same time. I hope their luggage is loaded and plane engine warmed and waiting as soon as the last obligation on Monday ends.
I hope they don’t stay the entire mourning period. We all want them safe at home. Everything is unraveling quickly and it’s clear the Queen really did reign in those two idiots from inflicting their pettiness. Unreal.
I never thought I would say this but I hope they go ASAP and never come back. The way they have been treated by the family is nothing short of shameful. Thankfully, they did see for themselves that people do love them. Nevertheless, even I have to admit it’s not enough. The establishment is geared to brief against them and they really can’t do right for doing wrong. It’s sad but, that is the truth as I’m seeing it. So much for “we love Harry and Meghan and wish them well with their life overseas”
the catafalque’s the platform, in this case that big purple and gold thing that the coffin’s sitting on top of.
we learned that word in 2nd grade after JFK was assassinated, that was what they called it.
Or if you read about Lincoln’s post death events.
OMG. This is actually shocking to me. Not only because it is yet another a vile attempt to hurt Harry but because it is also profoundly disrespectful to the late Queen.
For people supposedly terrified of his memoir they sure are antagonizing him to let loose. If the book hasn’t been printed yet, adding new information wouldn’t be that difficult. If it has, he can be expected to be asked about how he was treated in promotional interviews. They have done their level best to make sure that any protective fondness he still holds for them is obliterated.
I think the book has gone to print, but Harry could easily schedule more interviews and promotional appearances and expand upon recent events if he so wishes.
Printed or not, it’s too late for new stuff in the memoir. There’s no time for editing/legal checks. Also, any new stuff is always saved for paperback release to promote double purchasing.
That’s publishing 101. Nothing is getting added.
Lots of material for book #2 – it will be fire. Everyone will want to know what really went down. On another note, how many of you think all this will be turned into movies? I’m anticipating several.
@regal beagle
I’m convinced that Netflix already has the film rights to Harry’s memoir.
Lifetime has to be casting “Harry & Meghan: Trapped at a Funeral” right now.
So after Harry stood out for not wearing a uniform initially, it was decided to “appease” the court of public opinion, let him wear his uniform but remove the Queens initials?
This will look Charles look like a petty asshole, as it should! The more he blunders, the more attention he draws upon his official tenure as King.
I’ll be glad when Meghan and Harry can get back to their loving environment stateside.
The death of QE2 should mark the beginning of his next book. Harry has receipts and their public as hell.
KC3, you will be the cause for the further collapse of the Monarchy with your pettiness!!!
I am totally at loss for words … an extremely ugly act to rip off QE initials from Prince Harry’s military uniform . It is like vandalism or even desecration as the uniform is the pride of the military man. No wonder Prince Harry is heartbroken.
I am certain that Harry in heartbroken as he served dutifully for 10 years as well as being on the front line. But I do believe that Harry has resigned himself to remove his heartbreak at the constant shenanigans of his father and extremely vile his brother is.
Page Six is a Middleton mouthpiece. I think leaking this story is payback from Baldemort to Charles for forcing him and Wiglet to do the walkabout with Harry and Meghan. Same with the disinvite, again Charles looks like the bad guy. Ever since that walkabout where the Keens were referred to as the other royals, there have been all these mean swipes at Harry and Meghan that look like they come from Charles.
All the granddaughters are wearing almost identical headbands. I know head pieces are formal in the UK, is this style specific to formal mourning attire or a show of familial unity?
I thought the head pieces were lovely and simple. I also thought the horse head necklace worn by LL was a lovely gesture for her Granny.
I thought all de grandchildren did a great job last night, l think Zara has looked lovely over de past few days, last night was not an easy thing to do really on display !!!! Initials on uniform l know when my dad retired from service he had to give his uniform back, maybe this was sent to Harry as a uniform.from that regiment l don’t think Harry would care either way, he has his rank ?? This thing is, Charles was pictured on de stairs with Harry and Megan over de weekend, l think de leaks some ture and not ture are coming from Camp Middleton as l.agree with de above commentators that Megan was getting too much positive press, not a thing about Katie esp in de Daily Mail, then all of a sudden over de past few days its lots of articles about Kate is de best thing ever and de Sussex been de worst !!!!!
It does make them look petty, BUT the initials are there when you’re serving as a personal aide-de-campe to the sovereign. He didn’t have them at his wedding bc he wasn’t appointed one until October of 2018, and he didn’t wear them at the vigil because he stepped down when he surrendered his other military appointments. Andrew was only allowed to still wear his bc the uniform code states anyone appointed before 1988 can continue to wear theirs after they step down. Again, makes them look incredibly petty, but it’s technically not without reason.
I came here to say while there is truth that Harry didn’t have the ER initials, it think its fan fiction he was upset and angry and threatened to wear his morning suit. Harry himself said with therapy he they have made it through their ordeal WITHOUT anger. He sees them for what they are, trapped and scared. I don’t think he is surprised at any pettiness thrown at him and knows it does not reflect on him. The fact that you are saying he never would have expected them in the first place only confirms the story is pure fiction and was put out to make spoilt princes feel good about themselves.
Thanks for the explanation it makes sense
Thank you Dynastysurf. Your explanation make sense. It’s TQ’s uniform after all and to mess with it (even when she’s not around) seemed disrespectful not only to Harry but, also to her.
I think the slights against Harry and Meghan are not dramatic enough for the RR and they try to create more drama. Same with the invitation/ disinvitation.
Harry and Meghan are masters in keeping a calm face and behaving impeciable, and the scowls oft POP and Khate are not enough for a good conflict story, so they start creating.
If what you say is correct @Dynastysurf and I have no doubt that it is, then this just confirms my suspicion that this was leaked to make Charles look bad. He’s already being booed, now the whole world thinks he’s a petty asshole. This to me smells like a giant Baldemort/ Keen shaped rat. Someone wants to make sure that there is even more bad blood between Charles and Harry because there were rumors of him finding a “role” for the Sussexes. Not gonna happen now most likely.
Interesting. I was beginning to wonder if all the negative stories had a purpose other than just malicious gossip. Anti-monarchy groups were my first suspect, but William/Kate making sure Harry and Meghan stay gone is certainly a possibility. It’s all so very Game of Thrones.
@Dara: Chaos is a ladder …
@Dynastysurf. The rule on uniform is to maintain control and discipline and prevent abuse. King Charles could have given a special dispensation to Prince Harry to wear the ER initials at the final partings/final goodbye in the capacity that he had served her as a mark of respect to Queen
The world is watching!
Things done in spite, come back to bite!
Karma’s waiting close by in the wings!
Ok I have questions for my fellow Brit celebitchies
Who was the dude banging on the concrete?
Why 3 times?
Why did they wait for him to do that before moving and bowing their heads?
No shade/snark/attitude from me. I am genuinely curious
TYIA
Also. It just echoed and for some reason that just struck me as so FINAL.
Not a Brit but from what I saw of that, he was using the baton/sword as a directional signal for them to advance and take their places. It also signaled the conclusion of the vigil and to exit. It was very effective the way those taps resounded off the stone walls.
@Feeshalori
Ahhhhhhhh. Thank you for the info
It’s part of the ceremony and to guide the participants. So I did not find it awkward.
This enforced mourning in public is so inappropriate, both for the family and the general public. I do not need to see William and Harry grieve in what must be triggering circumstances. Having said that, they can try to undermine Harry all they want, that photo of him with his head bowed before the coffin is just incredibly moving.
This ratchet family WANTs to give Andrew all the bells and whistles but can’t because they would have to do the same for harry and it’s only harry the want to humiliate, not Andrew. If harry is allowed to wear any uniform, is because they want Andrew to wear it. The daily Mail are gleeful about Andrew being given special treatment over harry.
They are determined to humiliate harry. But by tomorrow harry won’t have to see them again for a long while, once the coronation is over with, they won’t need to come back here ever again.
If they even return for that. They now know what awaits them every time they return to the UK. They know they will be used for PR whenever possible, and abused unceasingly after that. The human body can’t continue to absorb high levels of emotional stress and continue to function in a healthy way. They are under such enormous pressure, and I cannot believe they would willingly place themselves in that position again. Charles has proved, beyond the shadow of a doubt – and to the world – that he will be a petty, thin-skinned, tyrannical king, with no care for his youngest child. Harry and Meghan no longer owe them anything, certainly not their loyalty and assistance.
I still think that H&M will be in the UK for their charities and to see Spencer family and friends. That can do all of that as private citizens. I think the BRF would love it if they stayed away, but I don’t think the Sussexes would turn their backs on the UK.
We’ll have to see what they chose to do. Whatever that is will be the right decision for them.
What I mean is that after Charles coronation, there will be no more big royal occasions which harry and Meghan will need to come back for, unless you count willies POW investiture, which I don’t. No more weddings or funerals (hopefully). After the coronation harry and William will not be photographed together, maybe never again, or atleast not from many years.
Just a thought, William was wearing his own uniform so nobody has touched the E2R insignia but Harry was wearing one from stock at the regiment so maybe ALL those uniforms had been prepared for the new insignia and all have had the E2R one removed. But no one noticed when they grabbed one in Harry’s size to send to him to wear? Sigh, check the details people.
But I’m not excusing those trying to make mischief by pointing this out, looking straight at you DM.
They are the BRF, they have people assigned to monitor the wardrobe, protocols for events like these, and seamstresses on staff who would be able to make any repairs needed.
The missing ERs on the Duke of Sussex’s epaulets was not merely an oversight or an oops
That uniform looks customized to Harry. It’s very well-fitted. Anyway, the fact that this was even published, they’re not looking to blame the staff. The BM (or BM by proxy) is looking to humiliate as part of their DAILY FAIL.
The initials are not on all uniforms – just those of an aide de camp to the Queen. Harry was awarded the role of aide de camp after his wedding- hence the difference in gold braid between him at William at his wedding.
They’ve provided him with a standard uniform not one with the aide de camp accruements
I don’t have much to add about the nasty way they’re treating Harry aside from he looks good in a uniform.
Other thoughts: James is too young to be doing this. Especially bc he looks like a very young W, it reminds me of the boys walking behind Di.
Zara should have worn Mary Janes to keep her in her shoes. A lot of ppl don’t have the foot shape to stay in a pair of pumps. Honestly, she should have worn flats if she’s injured.
Peter needs a tailor he looks so sloppy and juvenile in that suit.
This whole thing is obscene to me. No one in mourning should be put on display like that. It’s so gross.
The person banging the sword was so awkward about it.
This very much not a racist family has yet to have a person of color in high enough regard to be any part of this whole thing.
My mom always said “it doesn’t hurt to be kind”.
I Guess for these people it does.
I found the grandchildren vigil by the coffin ceremony really touched me.
I have little family myself these days, and I really wish people would mend fences in families.
I lost 2 siblings in less than 6 months. Brutal.
As for all the constant ugliness, you would assume that The Firm would have professionals who should know how to treat people better. The biz of the BRF is ceremony, diplomacy, world leaders gathered with The Queen.
Why point out any of the uniform things? No one would have noticed, just seems really mean to do it.
They need to first, hire competent advisors, and second, listen to them. One or both of these appear to have been lacking for some time across all the palaces.
From what Dynastysurf says above, it looks like the insignia were never supposed to be on Harry’s uniform. That means, someone provided this (inaccurate) story to the press solely to make trouble and make it look like Harry was being humiliated. The piece above is from Page Six, but I think prior to that it was mentioned in Roya Nikkhah’s column (the Sunday Times?)
Very sorry for your loss. I had one sibling pass away suddenly a few years back. Devastating.
Are some uniforms produced with only one shoulder monogrammed? Or did some servant get assigned the task of removing the initials (like unpicking embroidery stitches)?!?
It must have been difficult to keep his composure instead of taking a Sharpie and writing ER back on.
The initials are not on all uniforms – just those of an aide de camp to the Queen. Harry was awarded the role of aide de camp after his wedding- hence the difference in gold braid between him at William at his wedding.
They’ve provided him with a standard uniform not one with the aide de camp accruements
I think another Oprah special is in order once the dust settles, and this time the gloves need to come off. The utter fuckery that’s been going on surrounding the Sussexes is unbelievable. How grown-ups can behave that way beggars belief. They’re like a pack of spoiled toddlers throwing their toys at everyone. Charles the Turd and Prince and Princess of Wails indeed.
Hahaha! William had to look down at his feet to get down the stairs as they were entering the area. Harry looked straight ahead, so dignified and, well, like a real soldier.
I know Harry can march but to see him go down the stairs like that, I was utterly amazed to see the contrast with the rest. Yes the rest are civilians but the other one…never mind.
Harry’s posture showed his military training. William was slouching a bit. But then he never did the work Harry had to do in the military.
Someone on Twitter said that Harry was giving the women some palpitations. He was dignified and dashing.
The grandchildren all seem more somber than the Queen’s children (other than Anne, who seems devastated). But it’s so unfair that I even get to speculate about any of them. It’s cruel that they’re forced to perform publicly over & over again after losing a loved one.
They’re well compensated, but they’re trapped in a system that is fundamentally incompatible with their humanity. Harry will mourn his granny regardless of what he wears (I agree with some above that the lack of “ER” had a normal reason but Edward Young leaked this fake snub just to be an asshole). It must bother Charles, William & the courtiers that for all of their self-importance, Harry doesn’t envy their lives a bit. He has his freedom, which is one thing the King can never have.
H and M are playtoys compared to the rest of us. Charles and Klaus at the ECB are planning the Great Reset which will see the majority of the world impoverished overnight. Being cruel to one of his own is nothing compared to what C3 has in mind for the rest of the plebs and serfs. Get ready. Remember what Prince Phillip said about coming back as a plague.
Well…how predictably petty, vindictive, short-sighted and massively stupid to not only remove the initials but to LEAK the damn thing when nobody would even know. Does Chuck really think that makes him look good as a leader, never mind father? It doesn’t matter who leaked it, could be Pegginton, Kopy Keen Khate, AK47, EY. Fact that it got leaked means Chuck has nothing, including his damn image, under control. Messy messy messy Chuck. Just like the ink on your hands! How are you going to “reign” when you can’t take care of your own house? I hope a huge leaking pen head appears in your bed when you wake up one day.
A few good things:
1) Harry Harry Harry. Aside from the solemn occasion, that man commands the uniform and the stage without trying. His posture was uh-mazing, especially when he went down the stairs (compare with the rest of the cousins who are understandably civilians). What a man. What a soldier. I’m so so proud of Archie’s and Lili’s father holding his own in that wretched warzone of snakes and vipers.
2) Of course this grandchildren’s’ vigil was PR. But it is not a stretch to think the Queen would have appreciated it herself. Everyone performed well.
3) Assuming he was OK with it, it was very nice and heartening to see 14 yo James trying his best.
I found the grandchildren’s vigil, from entrance to exit, incredibly moving. Harry in uniform, dignified and proud, blew William out of the water. Not a big fan of the granddaughters’ headbands, but it wasn’t huge distraction for me. Absolutely LOVE the precise uniform movements in contrast to Charles, Anne, Andrew, and Edward’s sloppy assembly the night before. Poor, James. He seems a shy and sensitive young boy n the rare occasion he is seen in public, but I can’t imagine how challenging it was for him at 14 to perform this ritual before a gaping public. So glad he and sister Sophie will never be working royals subject to unrelenting scrutiny. Peter looked a bit like a sloppy kid.
Ok, it was Willy in the *front* and Harry in the *back* (while standing by the coffin). Anybody notice that what showed in pics (head-on) was the crown/orb/etc over Harry but over Wil-deR-beast, you only saw the wreath? Hmmm.
Who looked more *royal*?
That is really cool about the position of the royal regalia above Harry’s head, such a great visual.
I actually did notice that! He got the better end, although I think they put William at the front because there were more cameras there.
Bottom line for me is that whatever the truth of this situation I’m inclined to believe the worst because Charles has shown himself to be the worst. In his first marriage. As a father. As a person. As the recipient of unearned power and wealth.
Harry is his mother’s son and that must drive both Charles and William crazy. Because they must know Harry has an appeal they’ll never be able to match.
Taking off his grandmother’s initials is so fucking petty.
Just wondering: why the hell did they supply him with a uniform? Did they literally take it away from him when he moved away? I would have figured he would have had his own/saved in California so this shit should not have happened.
Pretty sure when you leave the service you have to turn in your uniform.
If this is how the monarch treats his child, how will the monarch treat its people?
Wales knows.
Most people know that Prince Charles could be peevish, petty, pernicious and petulant. King Charles III has decided to add pyromania. Burning his own house down while on the inside. His personal Guy Fawkes day spread across a month of mourning, and he’s supposed to be the smart one. Light it up Charles. Wales and their red dragon want to help you burn down your House. Dracarys!
Can we please make a sister site dedicated to the BRF? It has become 80% of this sites posts and it could not be a more boring topic. Their racist and outdated and boring as hell…why dedicate your site to them? I miss the old celebitchy so much.
No
Nope.
For fuck’s sake, the literally ripped the initials of Harry’s grandmother off both shoulders of his uniform? I can see Charles gleefully ripping off the initials, leaving threads and saliva. When they want to, they can do the small details–but only if there is evil intent. I say Harry and Meghan leave one hour after the funeral. This is just too much.
I wish this site would stop giving air to the Daily Mail. It’s obvious that when there are no stories to publish they’ll simply make shit up to keep up momentum with their vile readership.
I’d rather read those articles here so I don’t give any clicks to the Daily Mail. I’m interested in what they write in a “Oh geez what are they saying *this* time?!” kind of way but I still don’t want to contribute to their revenue.
To be more specific, I see Charles ripping off the initials with his teeth, just if you want the full visuals. Lol.
The vigil by the grandchildren was surprisingly moving, especially because they finally included the females of the family. Finally seeing some signs of progress towards equality in that hidebound institution! It was also good to see Anne participate in the children’s vigil.
This is horribly insulting to not just Harry but every other British veteran. I can’t wait for them to return home to the U.S. I’d love it if Harry applies for American citizenship after he’s been here 7 years. We love you, buddy!