Here’s an Open Post for today’s state funeral for Queen Elizabeth II. It’s already the weirdest social event of the year, perhaps of the decade. World leaders, diplomats, foreign monarchs and the dregs of the Windsor clan are all coming out for this. Seriously, every awkward cousin and Nazi-relation from the Windsors will be there, but the guest list for “foreigners” has been limited to one primary plus a guest, meaning that someone like Princess Michael of Kent gets priority over Crown Princess Mary of Denmark.
On Saturday, suddenly the Mail began wondering whether Prince George would come to the funeral. George just turned 9 years old this summer and he’s already being scheduled like a working royal, making appearances throughout the Jubbly and wearing an uncomfortable suit to Wimbledon. The Mail claimed that the courtiers tried to convince William and Kate to bring George (and only George): “Courtiers are keen for Prince George to be at the funeral in some capacity, if only to reassure the nation of the order of succession.” Literally, there’s a new king and a new Prince of Wales, and yet the line of succession needs to be polished at QEII’s funeral? Apparently so, because late Sunday, we learned George AND Charlotte would come to the funeral and walk behind their parents in the Abbey. They are way too small for that.
Anyway, we’ll have posts throughout the morning about the funeral, especially once we get photos in.
Here’s the live stream:
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George and Charlotte being front and centre is totally kHate’s idea in retaliation to the Wessex’s kids being part of the vigil as well as an attention seeking stunt to take away from H&M. I agree they are far too young – its William and Harry behind their mother’s coffin all over again. I think James was too young for the virgil at 14 – he really struggled.
There was some drama with the Spanish royals – the former King and Queen turned up at the reception last night even after being asked NOT to attend by the Spanish gov.
Ma and Pa Mids are there – really them over the Crown Princess of Denmark?!?! I can’t help it, seeing their mugs at events like this get my blood boiling – they really are just grasping. Now we see where kHate gets it from.
But more importantly, who is on Major Johnny watch?!?!?
Totally agree that George and Charlotte are too young for this. I understand Harry and William walking behind the coffin of their mother. As hard as it was they might have regretted it had they not done it. But the queen was not George and Charlotte ‘s mother, it was their great grand mother and I don’t think they were close.
William and Harry were both way too young also, and were used as human shields so Charles wouldn’t get booed. this is generational trauma in real time. those poor kids. (and I do mean all of them)
I hated seeing the kids there. They are so young and services like that are tough to endure. I get the visual and continuity aspect of it but seems like too much to demand of them.
I don’t think the W & H is a fair comparison. They were two traumatized kids who’d just lost the person in the world most important to them. While I agree that using your children as pawns as their grandmother’s funeral isn’t great, they likely aren’t experiencing the same degree of trauma over their very elderly grandmother’s death (and I certainly hope their parents have been preparing them for this eventuality, whereas William and Harry could not have been prepared at all for losing their mother so young and suddenly).
I noticed the necklace, too (it’s really hard to miss …) and felt it was inappropriate and inelegant to be wearing such massive bling at a funeral. Forget homage, this is just plain showing off. A funeral calls for something subdued, not something so flashy. But maybe it’s a cultural difference thing.
Someone on here definitely called the veil and massive jewelry look. It’s crazy because she never wore this type of jewelry before and now she cannot stop. Just weird.
As for the people saying she’s fidgety…I’m technically old enough to be her grandmother, lol, and I still get fidgety every time I have to sit through a full mass for any reason.
Signed,
A Lapsed Catholic who was dragged out of bed kicking and screaming every Sunday morning for years, until my mom finally gave up
The current King and Queen are invited and in attendance but the former King and Queen were not. They turned up anyway in a private capacity apparently and the Spanish gov are not happy. The former King is in exile (his own decision to escape fraud charges) and is currently being sued by his former mistress. The former King is an embarrassment to the Spanish nation and people – I have heard this first hand from several spanish colleagues.
I don’t know if it was deliberate but, the Beeb didn’t say who they were. In fact the commentators were silent for the whole time she was on screen. It was strange (and surprising) no introductions were made to the viewers considering the Marquess is/was the Lord Great Chamberlain.
Ugh. Watching the commentary on Ch 7 in Aus (switched from Channel 9 when I realisedthey had Karl Stephanovic on) and they’ve got Victoria Arbiter as a commentator.
Her pretty prissy pinny voice is driving me up the wall.
Every single American channel that I watched asked the same question of the British person giving commentary: What did the Queen mean to the British? Answer: She’s always been there. In good times and bad times, she has always been there. Never offering an opinion or taking sides. Just always there……I’m completely blown over by that answer. After 70 years that’s all they had.
Could it be that they asked the wrong people, or did not know what to ask or what it meant or how to frame follow-up questions? I saw multitudes of people on BBC, ITV and other channels responding to that exact question and giving numerous details.
@Oona, had they asked the right people, what exactly would they have said the queen meant to Britain? I have been asking since she died: what exactly is her legacy; like what did she do in this world that makes her a memorable person? Other than her 70-year uneventful reign over the UK, what exactly is the queen’s legacy??
The best thing the Queen ever did for this country was hang on long enough to see Boris out of office and spare us and the world the sight of him gurning for the cameras as the main spokesperson for the British government.
Saw a funny clip on twitter – apparently Boris and Carrie came in ahead of the other former prime ministers and were made to stand aside and wait until they went through – something about the former PMs get seated in reverse order? Watching him and Carrie have to literally stand back and let the others go ahead was very entertaining, they were clearly peeved.
I think George and Charlotte are old enough to make the short walk with family. Thank goodness they left Louis at home! I think I just saw Charlotte wearing a tiny hat in the car with Camilla and Kate.
I can’t imagine when else in my lifetime I’ll be able to see such a gathering of names. It’s pretty amazing!
agreed, i dont want to be impressed but i am. this is incredible, not just the guest list but the ceremonial with all the different soldiers we are watching at the moment. The Brits know how to put on a show
with the UK going into recession ( though to be fair, i think London businesses probably made a killing in the past 10 days ) , i dont think such extravagance would go down well with the general public.
KC would do well to tone it down for the coronation. The funeral though is a different matter, i knew Elizabeth was loved and respected by her people, but i had never anticipated THIS.
@Dominique, when has what the public thinks of him ever stopped Chuckie from doing anything? He’s waited for this for over 50 years, and you think he’s gonna consider the Brits and the recession? Naaahhhh, he’ll still throw himself a grand coronation spectacle regardless of who’s or who isn’t starving, recession or not. Mark my words.
I was 9 when my very much loved great grandmother died. I was gutted, she had been my after school sitter for years and would always have ice cream with strawberry jam waiting and we would watch her “stories”. I was left out of the funeral because I was deemed too young and I’m still sad about that. This is obviously different because it is public and very formal but imo 9 is old enough to be part of the ceremony. If George and Charlotte loved their grandmother they probably feel happy to be included and I’m sure it makes them feel grown up and important.
I don’t know whether it’s a cultural or family thing but I’ve taken my children to funerals of close relatives at even younger ages and I remember attending funerals as a child. I don’t entirely understand the “too young” side of it. Too young to sit still. People expect kids to act up when they’re bored. Too young to understand? They learn by taking part.
Taking your children to a service watched by millions of people around the world though. I don’t think I’d be that brave.
Apparently some BBC announcer is getting dragged in comments on IG I think for being unable to get the names of any of the European Royals right especially Queen Margrethe of Denmark. I’m starting to think the BRF and BM are retaliating against the DRF for having the Queen’s jubilee events last weekend.
Like mother, like daughter. Carole Middleton looked lovely except for a huge gaudy necklace that has no business being at a funeral, so of course Kate went for the inappropriate bling as well. As usual I look to Lady Penny, Philip’s second wife in all but name: kitten heels, modest ensemble and jewels, a bit too much makeup but other than that she always looks aristo-appropriate
as ghoulish as I feel it is for children to walk in a funeral procession aired live to millions, I don’t feel it’s on the same level as forcing kids who have just violently lost their mother prematurely to kids who have lost a great grandmother. the reactions of some that this is the worst thing ever are a bit OTT, though I do generally agree it’s very inappropriate and tacky.
I think Charlotte may be a little young for this, but George is 9 and he’s the future future king. I think his attendance here is expected and appropriate.
Coming back to add….I didn’t realize they were going to be part of the processional, even for a little bit. I think that might have been too much, but I think they should have been there at the funeral.
I really wonder what Louis’ reaction is, every time his family wanders out in fancy clothes without him. I am one of three kids, and it was a major event if one of us was left behind. Granted, we are a lot closer in age than the three Wales kids.
Louis is less than 5 years younger than George. Thats not so far apart that he’s disengaged from the older two, so to speak. (like my husband is 11 years older than his brother, thats a different generation.) So I do wonder how it goes when the older two are attending something and he stays home. He probably doesn’t care too much if it means a movie or more ipad time or something (thats how I bribe my kids, MOTY here, lol.)
Not that I know – am watching the BBC footage and they showed the Biden’s arriving. Haven’t seen Meghan but did see Waity and her big ass bee keeper hat.
Yeah the Beeb are making a point of panning to him rather than the Other Brother and his wife.
Caught a glimpse of Meghan – she looks lovely. No massive bling bling on display to grab attention. We are soo going to get bombarded with stories about the pearl choker.
Yeah I’m watching BBC in the US and there are lots of shots of Harry. Interesting that he is seated behind Charles and Camilla because he ends up on camera more.
Good morning! Put me in the Charlotte and George are too young for this camp. Attending a funeral at their ages is not inappropriate, however being put on parade in the procession in front of a worldwide audience is a bonkers decision. Totally unnecessary. It is just to show them off and grab headlines.
Agreed. I walked behind my grandpa’s coffin when I was 8, and I can’t imagine now putting someone else through that. It was nowhere near on this scale, and of course I should have been at the funeral, but the being on show for everyone was too much.
Between that and the other funerals of close family members where I’ve walked, it’s done a real number on my feelings about showing my emotions.
Even watching the funeral is knitted up in my own emotions, but I really feel George and Charlotte could have been spared the walk.
And Kate looks tacky with that whopper of a necklace. All the others got it right, and most guests (Carrie Johnson’s decolletage aside).
I think George had to be there for appearances sake and that Charlotte being there helps George feel more comfortable. After the ceremony, I saw the two of them quietly talking to each other and it was clear that they share a tight bond.
As for hats, Kate’s and Meghan’s seem
comparably sized. I think Kate’s dangly earrings are a little too much with the necklace but overall, both she and Meghan look good.
Somehow I was thinking it would be nice if the family carried the coffin themselves… instead of letting guards do all the heavy lifting. In the little village that I originally come from it’s done like that, it’s regarded as an honor to be asked to carry, and the sweat you give while doing it demonstrates your love and respect for the deceased. Of course we’re all poor people there and it used to be a coal miner’s village. Sweat is like the love language or something.
Ditto that pallbearers are often family / close friends, however in this instance I understand why it wasnt – when family members and friends are 70+ that’s usually the time to let them stand down.
That and it’s always the way for royals etc – its seen as a badge of honor within the forces to perform the service of being a pallbearer. Plus that coffin has gotta be heavy heavy – imagine if someone slipped!!
Oh, pallbearer it’s called! I didn’t know that (English isn’t my first language). That the members of the royal family usually don’t exert themselves and that they have servants for everything somehow would have made carrying the coffin even sweeter and more meaningful in this case- except if someone’s really too old, or sick, agreed of course.
The coffin is lead lined and apparently incredibly heavy. Plus there’s the Crown Jewels, sceptre and orb on top, they won’t leave it to the weak royals to carry it in!
Yeah, I knew it was lined with lead, but I just learned last week that it weighs a quarter of a ton! And that’s not counting however much the body weighs, as well as the crown on top, which I think is pretty heavy as well. IDK how they do it.
The pallbearers have been the stars of this pageantry for so seamlessly and effortlessly handling that massive coffin. I have to admit, my heart was in my mouth several times especially when they were going up the stairs to St. George’s Chapel.
Just spotted Meghan – she looks beautiful and dignified, in unadorned black so matte the light falls into it.
Waity Wails looks tacky by comparison, with a necklace that looks like a vagina.
I was just thinking Camilla looks tasteful and dignified, except her eyes went straight to the camera and ruined the effect.
Camilla looked like hell in that last close up. I have no doubt life with King Chucky will be barrels of fun…looks like it just dawned on her she’s stuck with him.
The other thing that strikes me as awful and cautionary, is the fact that shadowy, self-interested men-in-grey have too much input and say-so over decisions regarding the welfare and raising of the Cambinos/ Wails kiddos!
Wow, another stark reminder of what may have been going through Meg’s mind at some point during her pregnancy with Archie. M&H told us that reflecting upon the prospects of their newborn son, Archie, cemented the necessity to make a departure choice for his future protection and well-being!
I think the royals are seated roughly in the order of rank and age. So it’s just good luck that H&M are right behind C3. Probably the BBC camera at least is avoiding the Waleses because the kids are with them and the BBC would get crucified if it broadcast images of George and Charlotte crying about Granny. So W&K have unintentionally done themselves out of screen time by bringing them.
I’m watching on PBS which I think is the BBC feed and the camera angle on charles is frequently blocked by coffin. So have quite a few shots of FFK and co…of course Fergie is right behind them which lends a certain hilarious touch. And Charlotte has fidgeted a bit. Which is fine…because she’s the next tabloid cannon fodder in about five years so at least she can be a bit fidgety now.
George and Charlotte are old enough to go to a funeral. I went to funerals at that age. The only thing is I wouldn’t do is put a hat on Charlotte. She could be bare headed. The hymn they’re singing reminds me of my Grandmother: The Day Thou Gave Us.
And in keeping w my train of cheery thoughts this morning I wonder if Willnot and Cannot are picturing their own state funerals while watching this. Although I still doubt the monarchy will make it to George.
^^ It most certainly shouldn’t make it to Cain/ TOB! Everyone would be better off! 🙏 Especially George and his siblings!
Plus, it would somehow be so fitting if the British monarchy ended with King Charles III (Tres), especially when looking back on the historic reigns of Uno and Dos/ Deux. Mon Dieu! 👀 😳
I’m going to be a petty Betty (see what I did there?), but that is the most God-awful bouquet of flowers on the Queen’s coffin that I have ever seen in my life. I know the flowers have meaning, they’re from the estates, myrtle and rosemary are traditional, blah blah blah but WHO put that heap of nonsense together and thought, “Yes, that’s right, that looks perfect.” It is fug.
But I LOVE LOVE LOVE Meghan’s hat, and the cape…so subtly respectful yet regal. She looks gorgeous.
^^ Yep, the colors do clash with the standard. The all-white bouquet for Diana was perfection. But white flowers were a favorite of hers, hence KP sunken garden white flowers, so aptly given tribute by Meg’s white wrap coat during heady days of their engagement announcement. Who knew then where things would be standing today!
I thought the flowers themselves were beautiful (I’m a sucker for anything pink), but they do kind of look like they were just thrown on there, not really arranged in any way, so it looks a bit…messy, maybe?
@Eurydice: I’d never thought of that, but it’s a good point and true
In Aus looking at ABC coverage. I was watching to be cynical but the pomp and circumstance got to me a bit lol. Harry just has a natural dignity, he draws the gaze. Meghan looks beautiful and appropriate as always. And then did anyone notice in the cathedral there was a close up of the card on the flowers on the coffin, and a tiny little green spider scuttled across, looked around, went OMG!, 😱 and dove back into the flower arrangement. I had to smile … Life.
My weak moment was after the commentator told us about her love of the bagpipes and then the pipers arrived and played some of her favourite tunes. Not ashamed to admit I went glassy eyed, and I don’t even like bagpipes!.
I couldn’t believe they were even contemplating taking George to the funeral , let alone Charlotte .
Have they learnt nothing from Princess Diana’s funeral .
I don’t see Zara’s or Peter’s children there . It’s grotesque what they put these children thru .
I agree, she looks adorable in that hat but she’s like a deer in headlights – completely too young. George is fine at 9 years old but poor Charlotte is out of her comfort zone. Wrong decision to bring her, IMO
Don’t tell Kate but, she’s sat the kids in the wrong place! Harry and Meghan are behind KC3 and Princess Anne so, every time the camera goes to the King, H&M are in the shot. The kids, William and Kate are hardly getting a look in. 😆 😆 😆
Kate looks foolish- flouncy skirt, giant hat, showing too much skin compared to the other women, and that vulgar choker repeat from Philip’s funeral. Meghan looks quietly elegant. I think it’s unintentionally hilarious that H&M were seated right behind the King & Queen so now they’re gonna be in every camera shot of them.
I immediately had the same thought about Meghan’s hat. God, I cannot wait for her (and Harry) to be back home with their babies and Granny Doria and the rest of their true, supportive family and friends. After everything they’d already endured, the events of the past couple of weeks must have been so triggering and stressful.
Sorry, but not watching. Petty I know, but I will not add to the viewing audience that the Brits are going to be bragging about.
God knows I would love to see Meghan walk proudly into the cathedral, but I will catch screen grabs on Twitter.
She walked tall and proud, yet still demure. I’m hella proud of her for holding her head high and taking her rightful place in this scene. She’s now a part of history that even Khate can’t claim.
2 to 1 that putting H&M where they are was somewhat deliberate. Someone probably eventually realised what a cock-up this has all been and opted for the slight damage control. As William is Prince of Wales now, shots of him and his family right behind CIII-PO would be an iconic image for the history books. You’d be a complete dolt not to realise that. Then again…
MoonTheLoon, I can’t help feeling Chuck did this because he knew he’d get more video time. He wants some of that Sussex shine. I’m happy for H&M. It will be difficult to erase them from the family/history books with all of these photos with the King.
What seems to be missed by the tabs and by most people is the fact that seating usually depends on the occasion and layout of chairs. But in general, even as senior royals, M&H always sat in the second row. W&K have always sat in the first row. On this occasion, the Queen’s children take precedent, so layout has the Wails further away from Chuck than they normally would be, but still in the first row.
Seating at the Jubbly was perfection for M&H, and seating at these funeral ceremonies has been perfect too, for M&H! 👌
Charlotte is so tiny sitting among all the adults. Why is George wearing a blue suit? Having them here is fine. Having them in the front row is probably not wise. In the film of the coronation, then five year old Charles attended, but was with the Queen Mother on one of the upper levels so he could watch but not really be seen. Much wiser arrangement. Charlotte is kicking her feet. If you’re going to have her there, have a box so she has somewhere to put her feet.
yes, he was between the QM and Princess Margaret (who didn’t look terribly thrilled to be there herself). there’s an adorable b/w photo of the three of them, where Charles is resting his chin on his hand and looking utterly fed up with it all already. not that I can blame him. tradition!
The blue is so weird! It sticks out so much! I don’t object to the antsy kids. Kids are antsy. I think if they really WERE close to their great grandma, keeping them at home is worse.
Incidentally, I know Elizabeth planned this, but I keep picturing her in her coffin, thinking, “Oh good god! Just put me down and leave me! I can’t take this anymore!”
So did Harry have the option to wear his uniform again for the funeral, but decided not to? Or was he only given permission as a one-off thing for the vigil? (I’m irritated that I need to ask this question, because by rights his actual service should be all the “permission” he required.)
Walking behind the coffin now, he still looks like a King surrounded by toy soldiers. Harry just bowed his head while passing the pillar, as his brother and all others in uniform saluted. What a painful moment.
All ex-service men aren’t permitted to wear their uniforms, just their medals. I think the controversy has been that Harry had his military patronages removed from him when he stopped working for the RF, he could have wore the uniform if he still had them but he can’t now he’s a regular ex-serviceman.
@Christine, I hope so, and I hope the rumor that they’re staying the extra seven days post-funeral is just that— a rumor— and that they bounce immediately, the moment this is over.
Half the congregation isn’t singing because they are foreign dignitaries. They wouldn’t sing, nor would they bow or curtsy. As for Harry not singing – he was singing. He looked like he was choking back tears but he was singing.
I like the pomp surrounding the ceremony more than the actual service, tbh. I guess the rote-ness is the point with the church, and tbf she was the head of the church, but much prefer an American state funeral with personal eulogies mixed in over redundant prayers. better balance between the pomp and the personal.
I can only speak from a Catholic perspective, and I assume the Anglican perspective would be quite similar (but still heretical. Burn them all! 🤣). Many Catholics, even the more “progressive” amongst us, tend to believe that the church service is an inappropriate place for eulogies because the very word “eulogy” means “high praise”, but the dead person is often not terribly praiseworthy. Personal anecdotes are bound to gloss over this, and basically amount to publicly lying, and in a church, no less. Keeping it bland is the safe route.
Going against the grain to say I think Kate looks perfectly fine, but Camilla’s hat is way too much. For a funeral, it should be a simple hat with minimal adornments imo. Same with Carol Middleton…the hat was too much.
On CBS, as family is filing out behind the coffin, Tina Brown just said: Andrew is now bereft—”without any protection”—because he no longer has his mummy as a shield.
Noticed just before they got up to follow the coffin , Beatrice was not in her seat? Edo was there but from above you could see an empty chair next to him. I wonder why?
They showed her getting up for some reason. Not sure if it was about being in proper spot for recession or what. Also did Meghan Bob a knee in the direction of Charlotte and George and Co as they recessed out of the pews or was she just moving her leg. It was the worlds tiniest Bob…
I’m beginning to think this is “Granny’s revenge” Just had a shot of the procession and it’s Harry who is in the centre shot and is the stand out royal. 😆
Seriously, some amazing shots of him – the camera just lingers! And being tall and in the middle he’s always visible. It’s partly the angle I think. Charles and the front row get a bit lost.
I’m pretty sure they handpicked service members who would be most likely to treat any injuries they sustained while hauling their dead Monarchs’ casket as the highest honor, above any other war wound imaginable. Some weird intersection of machismo and royalism, ya know?
I know the family is walking in a particular age/seniority order, and probably according to the queen’s wishes, but because of camera angles the two royals I’m seeing the most are Harry – and Andrew. Not sure that was the best way to go. Not that I’m complaining about Good King Harry getting center frame, but perhaps Charles and William should have been placed in the middle.
I’m also loving that Harry is most definitely the stand-out royal in the procession (again). I think it helps that he’s so tall and isn’t in uniform. Harry to his credit is paying respects to his beloved granny. Me? I’m just enjoying him inadvertently having the most camera shots.
The king sat in the second row at the Windsor service, while Harry and TOB sat in the front row across from the king. The tabloids try to make everything a snub, much of which certainly is, but they go overboard.
I think George was old enough and while I think Charlotte was too young, I think it could have been for George’s comfort?
They are in a car following the procession so I think that’s very appropriate
Love Megan’s dress/ cape and demure jewelry, perfection, but her hat? Like the white one at the jubbly, it’s like beach hat material. I just put mine away last night so it’s very upfront in my mind. I think the one thing she doesn’t have game on is her choice of hats.
Laughed several times with H&M’s seating position.
Did no one notice the small kerfuffle when Chaz was giving his hat to someone as he entered the church? (Which was a very good idea logistically). He definitely had a moment where something was off and he was shaking his head with a face.
Kate, yeah, she looked lovely but way over the top jewelry. It’s gross, like Carol’s nasty ugly necklace. K did look like a monster’s wife.
Bill looked like he was trying to look upset or serious.
What’s so interesting to me is how much young George’s and young Charlotte’s temperaments/ public personalities as children appear to mirror the sensitive personality of young Charles vs confident personality of young Anne.
Did you all catch (I think it was the Archbishop of Canterbury) pray for “King Charles, Queen Consort Camilla, The Prince of Wales, and all the royal family . . . ” Oooh, that was mean. If they want to pretend to be a couple, include the Princess of Wales too and then go to the rest of the family. She was skipped on purpose.
It wasn’t the Archbishop of Canterbury, it was some lady, but YES I was taken a bit aback by that, lol. I mean, if you’re going to bless the king and the heir, that makes sense, but she included Camilla, so it totally felt like a deliberate snub of Kate that she wasn’t mentioned when William was.
I see the Daily Mail is paying back their strongest source of anti Meghan propaganda, Angela Kelly, by questioning her lack of public role the last 10 days and demanding she be “front and center” at the private funeral after this one. (With 800 guests… I can’t.)
I’m delighted for Harry and Meghan they haven’t had to be around that cretin. Btw, the same article floated the idea that one of Kelly’s 3 book deal (another reward for being a source) was a “fly on the wall” account of “her time with the royal family”. Pray tell, why is the family not worried?
Kelly is pissy that she has not been involved AT ALL, today was the first time she was seen in public and am sure she was behind that odd story in fail about why she wasn’t involved – she’s an awful woman who totally took advantage of an old lady to further herself. She was NOT liked by either the family or rest of the household, the King in particular does not like her. She was the person who Harry referred to about making sure TQ had the right people around her. Its said she had a lot of influence over TQ and the decisions that were made.
I don’t think Angela Kelly took advantage of the Queen. I think she was a true friend to someone who probably didn’t get close to many people. But do I think she let her position go to her head ? It probably did.
These commentators have officially run out of things to say. I wondered if I was high when they were attributing emotions to statues of QEII’s parents. “Proudly look on” as the gun carriage passes???? They are inanimate objects.
George and Charlotte should have been left at home. None of the other great grandchildren are present. It seems W&K are trying to upstage everyone else by bringing the kids. Kate’s choice of accessories are also designed to make her stand out from everyone else. Ridiculous but not surprising.
The outfits worn by the other royal ladies may not be to everyone’s taste but at least they are all appropriate for the occasion.
At Windsor. Interesting to see that the regiments here have not been chosen based on height. Some people are noticeably shorter. The horses are also not all black or dark brown. Carrying the rifles behind the back looks very uncomfortable.
The procession going through the countryside feels very ancient.
Also, watching the procession in London, it was completely a military affair. Children would have been utterly inappropriate.
Thank you! But I don’t think so, he was a younger guy, in his 30s, I would say. Unless he looks extremely young, in which case I want his beauty regime!
I think Kate looks fine, Meghan looks great. I think it’s okay for kids this age to be at funerals as long as they’re not long drawn out affairs and this one was surprisingly short. Let’s try to be honest, this IS their life, until the monarchy is disbanded( if it’s disbanded) they’re going to have to do some things. George and Charlotte appear to have the same dynamic as QE2 and Margaret, the spare appears to be better suited to be the lead than the heir. Charlotte seems very self -assured and outgoing while George appears to be very shy . This is not a big deal and it’s not hard on them. The only one shouldn’t be there is Louis and he isn’t. The only nit I have to pick is everyone dressed up like tinpot Dictators with all those medals and braiding after never having served a day in combat in their lives while the only person who has doesn’t get to wear his uniform. They look ridiculous.
Funeral plus televised, I agree they are too young. I didn’t see it on CNN but there is a pic of Charlotte crying and I’m guessing it’s when the hearse pulled away.
@Tessa, co-sign. I think the kids were way too young for a huge, formal, televised “event” that happened to be a funeral. At least during Diana’s funeral the cameras did not focus at all on William and Harry. There is going to be a separate burial service for the family at a later time. I think that would have been a better option for the kids to attend.
@Mel, I’m glad you fared well going to funerals at a young age. I do know that I probably would not have if it had been for a close family member. I was Charlotte’s age, seven, for the first funeral I remember attending. I went to a small Catholic School adjacent to a church, and they would pull us out of class to attend a funeral if there were few mourners. I know, weird, right? I actually did okay because it was a short, non-televised, service where there was only one other mourner there for the deceased. So I clearly recall being very happy to be there because I felt sorry for the dead old guy in the casket for whom no one else had shown up. It only got a bit creepy when they made us file past his open casket! Had it been someone that I knew and loved, I am quite sure that I would have been terribly upset and crying, even traumatized. Not all seven-year-olds would be able to cope.
Okay, I understand that it wasn’t a good experience for you, but you are not all 7yr olds and neither am I. I think that most people here seem to have Kate-William derangement syndrome and become angry at every move they make. The kids looked fine, Charlotte more than George, but George always seems uncomfortable at first then he just goes through it. It’s weird but this really is how their life is. Kate and William are their parents so they get to make decisions for them, all this back seat judgemental parenting is not a good look. Their are legitimate reasons to not like them but them taking two kids ( I saw other kids from the royal family there) is not one of them.
Mel, the first funeral I went to I was 9. I was staying with my grandparents, and there was a mass the night before. After the mass, everyone filed past the open casket (to this day I HATE open caskets). The next day we went to the cemetary where there was a short service. I watched the wife and 2 kids. Even at 9 years old I understood that could have been me. I will never forget it. I am so thankful that the funeral I went to was of a stranger and not someone I knew or a family member.
I understand that this was the brf, but did the great-grandchildren at that age need to be part of the circus? I think they could have just gone to the family service. Do they need to teach children to never show emotion? That’s the part that I can’t agree with.
@saucy&sassy- I get what you’re saying but they are NOT LIKE US! Their lives are not NORMAL . THIS is their normal. It wasn’t a circus, no pushing , shoving and carrying on. The casket wasn’t opened, it wasn’t even uncovered, the entire thing was just like an every day Sunday service. I was a little taken aback by how bland it was. I would find it objectionable if there was an open casket and they were forced to look. Look, as I said, we were going to funerals at young age, I’m just used to it and I don’t think this is bad parenting or unusual in any way. Everyone gets to make their own decisions.
Your opinion isn’t entirely misplaced, and I agree with some parts of it, but we really are kidding ourselves if we assume that the Cambridge children were brought out for this funeral for any reason except for stressing, once again, for the audience (i.e. those of us watching) that the British monarchy line of succession is secured for the next four.
They are absolutely being brought out for a photo-op first and foremost, and anyone who says otherwise is laughably naive. The BRF’s continued existence is entirely contingent upon the imagery it crafts and projects to the rest of the world. Charles desperately needs every bit of security he can find for the monarchy’s continued existence. These people are 100% counting on the fact that people will be softened by the presence of the young kids, and they are counting on the fact that even if the adults are not really well-liked at the moment, that people will feel the desire to keep the monarchy around for the children to inherit.
The British royal family’s entire existence is one giant photo-op. And you’re right, the kids do look fine. Whether they really are fine is another question entirely. I don’t think that any person in the monarchy is really capable of taking stock of the peculiarity of the institution they are a part of, or even what having to be a part of this sort of tableau, especially at a young age, really means or how it’s impacting them. Maybe George, Charlotte and Louis will come of age in a world that provides them with those tools. I certainly hope they do.
But there’s a reason why only the two oldest kids are really being brought out for any of this public facing stuff right now, and it’s because they are the one who have probably become aware of the sort of image they are being asked to project, and will project it accordingly. And you really have to ask yourself if that sort of self-consciousness is really a fair burden to place on a pair of children who don’t have the awareness to realize what they’re getting into just yet.
I don’t want to be an asshole, and I apologize in advance to anyone who might be a member of the Church of England who’s reading this, but since when has “being a good parent” really been any sort of requirement for being “Defender of the Faith”, lmao. Like, which monarch since Henry VIII down do you think really screamed, “Parent of the Year”, let alone in a way that made it seem like that was necessary for being “Defender of the Faith.”
After 10 additional days of losing his grandmother whom he loved, dealing with his vindictive father, watching his sister in law and aunt trip over titles and notoriety, and dealing with his bullying brother, can you blame Harry?
Can you really blame him? He lost his grandmother and then the rest of the family decided that he needed to be punished during the week he was mourning her. Plus he’s been away from his children for over 2 weeks and his wife has been attacked at every turn.
He did? I saw the video and he was chatting with the guy, helped Meghan to the car and then got in. He seemed fine to me. I mean, it was a 6 hour funeral…
So I just rewatched that bit and there was a closeup of Meghan where she looked on the verge of losing it. A nanosecond away from bursting into tears. She kept it in, but only just. Whatever the clergyman said to her as they were waiting for the car really affected her. To be clear, I think he must have said some kindly words, I don’t think he was being rude or mean.
He looked fine to me, just a long day and at least he helped Meghan into the car instead of rudely climbing in ahead of her like William did with Kate. Even Charles let Camilla enter the car first. William has no manners.
Media already clamoring charlotte burst into tears with emotion after the funeral but the picture is from before the funeral after getting into a riff with her brother who pinched her (maybe). And so it begins.
I got to see two funeral services for the Queen, the architecture of Westminster Abbey is magnificent.
The service in the UK was covered with tradition, a lot of history and acknowledged heritage.
There were two historians on hand, the regular people on the streets were a revelation. Tabloid media in England does a great disservice to the people who live there.
The other service was in Ottawa, intimate reverend and respectful.
The coverage here followed the same format as Prince Philip’s.
There were at least three distinct spoken languages, poetry, songs reading. etc.
May the Queen RIP with her husband, parents and sister.
I just saw a video clip on People of Charlotte apparently telling George when to bow, and then as the casket went by, Kate, who was standing behind them, seemed to do a deep curtsy. This woman just can’t help herself. How many times did she watch the video of Meghan’s heartfelt curtsy and practice in a mirror?
The comments about Charlotte being “just like” the Queen I don’t agree with. Even Princess Anne is not the Queen’s Double. Charlotte isn’t I see William and Diana and features of Middletons. Not the Queen. It’s also a burden for Charlotte at age 7 to be said she looks “just like the Queen.”
One thing about these royal funerals is how the entire extended family always show up. I’m from a large family and don’t know some first cousins while the grandchildren of QEII’s first cousins attended the ceremony today.
So glad to see Alexandra Knatchbull, beautiful and elegant, attending St George and Westminster service. She was very close to HM and PP,it pretty much look like she has not slept in days. Her mother, Penny Knatchbull, must be devastated knowing her second parents are both dead. I love the fact that some of them were wearing a brooch which I think its HM favorite jewelry. I wish WK wore one instead of the pearl necklace.
George and Charlotte being front and centre is totally kHate’s idea in retaliation to the Wessex’s kids being part of the vigil as well as an attention seeking stunt to take away from H&M. I agree they are far too young – its William and Harry behind their mother’s coffin all over again. I think James was too young for the virgil at 14 – he really struggled.
There was some drama with the Spanish royals – the former King and Queen turned up at the reception last night even after being asked NOT to attend by the Spanish gov.
Ma and Pa Mids are there – really them over the Crown Princess of Denmark?!?! I can’t help it, seeing their mugs at events like this get my blood boiling – they really are just grasping. Now we see where kHate gets it from.
But more importantly, who is on Major Johnny watch?!?!?
Major Johnny is mine! 😊
Totally agree that George and Charlotte are too young for this. I understand Harry and William walking behind the coffin of their mother. As hard as it was they might have regretted it had they not done it. But the queen was not George and Charlotte ‘s mother, it was their great grand mother and I don’t think they were close.
William and Harry were both way too young also, and were used as human shields so Charles wouldn’t get booed. this is generational trauma in real time. those poor kids. (and I do mean all of them)
I hated seeing the kids there. They are so young and services like that are tough to endure. I get the visual and continuity aspect of it but seems like too much to demand of them.
Did someone spot PENNY?
I don’t think the W & H is a fair comparison. They were two traumatized kids who’d just lost the person in the world most important to them. While I agree that using your children as pawns as their grandmother’s funeral isn’t great, they likely aren’t experiencing the same degree of trauma over their very elderly grandmother’s death (and I certainly hope their parents have been preparing them for this eventuality, whereas William and Harry could not have been prepared at all for losing their mother so young and suddenly).
kHate is wearing a big ass flying saucer hat, a massive pearl choker with a blue stone on it – girlfriend is totally going for the mobster widow look.
Cams looked good.
Char looks cute in her hat.
I’ve only seen a glimpse or two of Kate but I def noticed the hat and choker. I guess she couldn’t help herself?
I noticed the necklace, too (it’s really hard to miss …) and felt it was inappropriate and inelegant to be wearing such massive bling at a funeral. Forget homage, this is just plain showing off. A funeral calls for something subdued, not something so flashy. But maybe it’s a cultural difference thing.
Wearing a big hat at a funeral is a big no no. Tacky
Someone on here definitely called the veil and massive jewelry look. It’s crazy because she never wore this type of jewelry before and now she cannot stop. Just weird.
Kate went full Alexis Carrington. I think the dangly earrings were way too much in addition to the choker.
Charlotte does look cute. Like Mary Lennox.
Charlotte looks adorable!
As for the people saying she’s fidgety…I’m technically old enough to be her grandmother, lol, and I still get fidgety every time I have to sit through a full mass for any reason.
Signed,
A Lapsed Catholic who was dragged out of bed kicking and screaming every Sunday morning for years, until my mom finally gave up
But … Meghan’s hat is the same size as Kate’s?
Kate also had a three strand pearl bracelet on. Girl really piled on the jewelry.
Wait, aren’t the Spanish royals somehow related to the Queen? Why TF would they not be invited to the reception?
I’m not watching, would rather just read everyone’s wonderful commentary here!
The current King and Queen are invited and in attendance but the former King and Queen were not. They turned up anyway in a private capacity apparently and the Spanish gov are not happy. The former King is in exile (his own decision to escape fraud charges) and is currently being sued by his former mistress. The former King is an embarrassment to the Spanish nation and people – I have heard this first hand from several spanish colleagues.
Philipe and Leitizia were invited and attended, so no need for the old king and queen to come but they did anyway. The couples arrived separately…
Interesting to see that Queen Letizia wore “a black birdcage veil and fascinator.” And Princess Charlene and Prince Albert were there.
Is Kate wearing the same bling she wore to Phillips’s funeral? She looks like a 1960s French dignitary’s wife here and not someone in mourning.
Charlotte’s adorable hat is giving me storybook Madeleine vibes.
The whole “emphasize the succession” bullshit is another shot at Harry. As if Harry would want to rule over this mess.
If the children didn’t come. Than Harry and Meghan, would have sat next to Will And Kate.
BBC had a lingering close up of Rose Hanbury arriving with her husband lol
Rose looking lovely, with an appropriate (stunning) broach.
I don’t know if it was deliberate but, the Beeb didn’t say who they were. In fact the commentators were silent for the whole time she was on screen. It was strange (and surprising) no introductions were made to the viewers considering the Marquess is/was the Lord Great Chamberlain.
oh, really?! interesting!
NPR news describes her as Prince William’s alleged lover!
Newsweek cracks me up. Rose is described in a headline as “Prince William and Kate’s Aristocratic Friend Rose Hanbury at Queen Funeral”
🤣
Ugh. Watching the commentary on Ch 7 in Aus (switched from Channel 9 when I realisedthey had Karl Stephanovic on) and they’ve got Victoria Arbiter as a commentator.
Her pretty prissy pinny voice is driving me up the wall.
I’m watching ABC (which is actually BBC). I could not stomach Steffanovic or Kochie. The BBC is typically ott, but its not 7 or 9.
Ha, I thought it didn’t start until 8.
Thanks for the heads-up, just switched over.
Every single American channel that I watched asked the same question of the British person giving commentary: What did the Queen mean to the British? Answer: She’s always been there. In good times and bad times, she has always been there. Never offering an opinion or taking sides. Just always there……I’m completely blown over by that answer. After 70 years that’s all they had.
Could it be that they asked the wrong people, or did not know what to ask or what it meant or how to frame follow-up questions? I saw multitudes of people on BBC, ITV and other channels responding to that exact question and giving numerous details.
I would assume if they called themselves experts on the Royal Family they would’ve had more to contribute
@Oona, had they asked the right people, what exactly would they have said the queen meant to Britain? I have been asking since she died: what exactly is her legacy; like what did she do in this world that makes her a memorable person? Other than her 70-year uneventful reign over the UK, what exactly is the queen’s legacy??
Thank you for posting at this time of day! Much appreciated.
Boris hasn’t combed his hair.
Probably still annoyed he doesn’t get to make a speech.
Carrie’s outfit is…a choice
Her face was sourer than any of Waity Wails’s best.
The best thing the Queen ever did for this country was hang on long enough to see Boris out of office and spare us and the world the sight of him gurning for the cameras as the main spokesperson for the British government.
She always looks tacky. I love that for Boris
Saw a funny clip on twitter – apparently Boris and Carrie came in ahead of the other former prime ministers and were made to stand aside and wait until they went through – something about the former PMs get seated in reverse order? Watching him and Carrie have to literally stand back and let the others go ahead was very entertaining, they were clearly peeved.
Boris f*cked up his hair on purpose, he always does. It’s his trademark. What a terrible man..
BoJo probably thinks the messier his hair is the more respect he’s paying.
I think George and Charlotte are old enough to make the short walk with family. Thank goodness they left Louis at home! I think I just saw Charlotte wearing a tiny hat in the car with Camilla and Kate.
I can’t imagine when else in my lifetime I’ll be able to see such a gathering of names. It’s pretty amazing!
agreed, i dont want to be impressed but i am. this is incredible, not just the guest list but the ceremonial with all the different soldiers we are watching at the moment. The Brits know how to put on a show
Just wait till Charles 3.0’s coronation – thats going to be quite the spectacle.
with the UK going into recession ( though to be fair, i think London businesses probably made a killing in the past 10 days ) , i dont think such extravagance would go down well with the general public.
KC would do well to tone it down for the coronation. The funeral though is a different matter, i knew Elizabeth was loved and respected by her people, but i had never anticipated THIS.
@Dominique, when has what the public thinks of him ever stopped Chuckie from doing anything? He’s waited for this for over 50 years, and you think he’s gonna consider the Brits and the recession? Naaahhhh, he’ll still throw himself a grand coronation spectacle regardless of who’s or who isn’t starving, recession or not. Mark my words.
Charles reported about what his coronation would be like (through the media) for about 40 years.
I was 9 when my very much loved great grandmother died. I was gutted, she had been my after school sitter for years and would always have ice cream with strawberry jam waiting and we would watch her “stories”. I was left out of the funeral because I was deemed too young and I’m still sad about that. This is obviously different because it is public and very formal but imo 9 is old enough to be part of the ceremony. If George and Charlotte loved their grandmother they probably feel happy to be included and I’m sure it makes them feel grown up and important.
I don’t know whether it’s a cultural or family thing but I’ve taken my children to funerals of close relatives at even younger ages and I remember attending funerals as a child. I don’t entirely understand the “too young” side of it. Too young to sit still. People expect kids to act up when they’re bored. Too young to understand? They learn by taking part.
Taking your children to a service watched by millions of people around the world though. I don’t think I’d be that brave.
Apparently some BBC announcer is getting dragged in comments on IG I think for being unable to get the names of any of the European Royals right especially Queen Margrethe of Denmark. I’m starting to think the BRF and BM are retaliating against the DRF for having the Queen’s jubilee events last weekend.
Yep, you called it. Waity Wails has the large hat AND veil.
At least she’s eschewed anything sparkly on it.
Giant sparkly pearl necklace…is it protocol to wear more jewels than the Queen Consort? Looks too much imo
I think it’s too much as well. It’s the same one she wore to Philip’s funeral, isn’t it?
kHate’s hat looked like a bee keepers hat with that large veil covering her face.
Diana cosplay strikes again
Her pearl necklace looks ridiculous next to Camilla, Sophie and Meghan. Even Camilla went without the big necklace.
Like mother, like daughter. Carole Middleton looked lovely except for a huge gaudy necklace that has no business being at a funeral, so of course Kate went for the inappropriate bling as well. As usual I look to Lady Penny, Philip’s second wife in all but name: kitten heels, modest ensemble and jewels, a bit too much makeup but other than that she always looks aristo-appropriate
I’d like to see a close up of Ma’s necklace as I suspect she was allowed to borrow royal bling.
@Lady Esther, I also recoiled at CarolE’s choker. Just…too much. Waaaay too much.
As expected the Fail has a story about the Mids at the funeral and upon a closer look at Ma’s choker – there is something similar about it.
I would not put it past kHate to demand some royal bling for Ma.
as ghoulish as I feel it is for children to walk in a funeral procession aired live to millions, I don’t feel it’s on the same level as forcing kids who have just violently lost their mother prematurely to kids who have lost a great grandmother. the reactions of some that this is the worst thing ever are a bit OTT, though I do generally agree it’s very inappropriate and tacky.
I think Charlotte may be a little young for this, but George is 9 and he’s the future future king. I think his attendance here is expected and appropriate.
Coming back to add….I didn’t realize they were going to be part of the processional, even for a little bit. I think that might have been too much, but I think they should have been there at the funeral.
I think George too young also if he was wanted there his sister should have gone
…..his sister is there.
@Becks1 I agree about George … and my guess is they gave Charlotte the choice. She seems fine. I’m glad she got to be there.
I know that Becks1, I was just saying she did go and she should have gone, so it’s all good.
I really wonder what Louis’ reaction is, every time his family wanders out in fancy clothes without him. I am one of three kids, and it was a major event if one of us was left behind. Granted, we are a lot closer in age than the three Wales kids.
Louis is less than 5 years younger than George. Thats not so far apart that he’s disengaged from the older two, so to speak. (like my husband is 11 years older than his brother, thats a different generation.) So I do wonder how it goes when the older two are attending something and he stays home. He probably doesn’t care too much if it means a movie or more ipad time or something (thats how I bribe my kids, MOTY here, lol.)
I am here. It is too early!
I missed a lot of the arrivals bc I was not waking up before 530 lol.
@Becks, I saw most of them, but only because I couldn’t sleep. Insomnia has its perks every so often, I guess :/
Did they show ANY of the foreign royals arriving?
Not that I know – am watching the BBC footage and they showed the Biden’s arriving. Haven’t seen Meghan but did see Waity and her big ass bee keeper hat.
The Bidens walked up holding hands, almost like it’s a normal thing to do.
Trudeaus also holding hands.
I am watching from Canada and they did show the foreign royals and the world leaders.
BBC showed quite a few but kept cutting away. I need someone to make an arrivals slideshow giving names and full outfits!
So they’ve got Harry marching behind a guy with a tall, fuzzy hat. He’s blocked in many camera angles.
Coincidence or conspiracy?
On the BBC coverage they showed him more than anyone else, interestingly.
He’s easy to spot, he’s one of the few without a silly hat/uniform who didn’t earn it, and he has stature.
Yeah the Beeb are making a point of panning to him rather than the Other Brother and his wife.
Caught a glimpse of Meghan – she looks lovely. No massive bling bling on display to grab attention. We are soo going to get bombarded with stories about the pearl choker.
That’s super interesting. The U.S. coverage has seemed to dance around showing him and/or Megan.
Yeah I’m watching BBC in the US and there are lots of shots of Harry. Interesting that he is seated behind Charles and Camilla because he ends up on camera more.
That’s the same pearl choker she wore at Philip’s funeral with that ugly clasp.
Does anyone know who that bouquet atop the coffin is from?
Chuck is no dummy. I laughed out loud when I saw where Harry and Meghan are sitting.
@Seaflower— exactly. Harry has a gravitas that the others just don’t possess.
I am watching (on french TV) And you see him more than the others. Hé us just in the middle of all i see on tv
And he’s sitting right behind C3, hard to miss.
Good morning! Put me in the Charlotte and George are too young for this camp. Attending a funeral at their ages is not inappropriate, however being put on parade in the procession in front of a worldwide audience is a bonkers decision. Totally unnecessary. It is just to show them off and grab headlines.
plus 1
Agreed. I walked behind my grandpa’s coffin when I was 8, and I can’t imagine now putting someone else through that. It was nowhere near on this scale, and of course I should have been at the funeral, but the being on show for everyone was too much.
Between that and the other funerals of close family members where I’ve walked, it’s done a real number on my feelings about showing my emotions.
Even watching the funeral is knitted up in my own emotions, but I really feel George and Charlotte could have been spared the walk.
And Kate looks tacky with that whopper of a necklace. All the others got it right, and most guests (Carrie Johnson’s decolletage aside).
@Harper: Even worse, they are the great grandchildren at the funeral.
Yes, there is the private family funeral they could have attended instead. This is purely for PR.
I think George had to be there for appearances sake and that Charlotte being there helps George feel more comfortable. After the ceremony, I saw the two of them quietly talking to each other and it was clear that they share a tight bond.
As for hats, Kate’s and Meghan’s seem
comparably sized. I think Kate’s dangly earrings are a little too much with the necklace but overall, both she and Meghan look good.
Somehow I was thinking it would be nice if the family carried the coffin themselves… instead of letting guards do all the heavy lifting. In the little village that I originally come from it’s done like that, it’s regarded as an honor to be asked to carry, and the sweat you give while doing it demonstrates your love and respect for the deceased. Of course we’re all poor people there and it used to be a coal miner’s village. Sweat is like the love language or something.
Ditto that pallbearers are often family / close friends, however in this instance I understand why it wasnt – when family members and friends are 70+ that’s usually the time to let them stand down.
That and it’s always the way for royals etc – its seen as a badge of honor within the forces to perform the service of being a pallbearer. Plus that coffin has gotta be heavy heavy – imagine if someone slipped!!
Oh, pallbearer it’s called! I didn’t know that (English isn’t my first language). That the members of the royal family usually don’t exert themselves and that they have servants for everything somehow would have made carrying the coffin even sweeter and more meaningful in this case- except if someone’s really too old, or sick, agreed of course.
The coffin is lead lined and apparently incredibly heavy. Plus there’s the Crown Jewels, sceptre and orb on top, they won’t leave it to the weak royals to carry it in!
Diana’s coffin was 500+lbs. They could never.
Yeah, I knew it was lined with lead, but I just learned last week that it weighs a quarter of a ton! And that’s not counting however much the body weighs, as well as the crown on top, which I think is pretty heavy as well. IDK how they do it.
Why lined with lead? That just seems like overkill.
It’s traditional and it keeps coffins that are above ground sealed and airtight for preservation purposes.
That lead lined coffin weighs almost 500 lbs. They needed strong young soldiers to carry that.
The pallbearers have been the stars of this pageantry for so seamlessly and effortlessly handling that massive coffin. I have to admit, my heart was in my mouth several times especially when they were going up the stairs to St. George’s Chapel.
Just spotted Meghan – she looks beautiful and dignified, in unadorned black so matte the light falls into it.
Waity Wails looks tacky by comparison, with a necklace that looks like a vagina.
I was just thinking Camilla looks tasteful and dignified, except her eyes went straight to the camera and ruined the effect.
Camilla looks at the cameras a lot
Camilla looked like hell in that last close up. I have no doubt life with King Chucky will be barrels of fun…looks like it just dawned on her she’s stuck with him.
Camilla kept raymill as a retreat
My Mom would have said Camilla looks like she’s been slapped with a sack of wet squirrels.
🤣
Also, the choir was better at Diana’s funeral.
So she really went for full glamour Mourning Barbie. Leave it to, Kate, to do too much while simultaneously doing nothing.
If the Brits need reassurance from a 9 year old, stick a fork in the monarchy. It’s done.
Agreed.
+1. Lol but also Soo true. Poor kid – that’s a lot to put on him
^^ LOL yep, exactly! 🎯 💯
The other thing that strikes me as awful and cautionary, is the fact that shadowy, self-interested men-in-grey have too much input and say-so over decisions regarding the welfare and raising of the Cambinos/ Wails kiddos!
Wow, another stark reminder of what may have been going through Meg’s mind at some point during her pregnancy with Archie. M&H told us that reflecting upon the prospects of their newborn son, Archie, cemented the necessity to make a departure choice for his future protection and well-being!
Meghan looks beautiful. Really simple and understated but not dull. Love the cape dress on her! And no big jewellery.
Did Harry and Meghan get the better seats, despite being second row? They are in the camera shot for KC3.
Thats what I”m thinking LOL. You know someone is not happy about that.
I see FQC wanted to ensure she’s ion the camera frame and so stuck her daughter on the other side, next to someone Charlotte probably met once.
I think the royals are seated roughly in the order of rank and age. So it’s just good luck that H&M are right behind C3. Probably the BBC camera at least is avoiding the Waleses because the kids are with them and the BBC would get crucified if it broadcast images of George and Charlotte crying about Granny. So W&K have unintentionally done themselves out of screen time by bringing them.
There is no power on Earth that could convince me Chuck didn’t make certain they were behind him.
Charlotte is fidgeting.
I’m watching on PBS which I think is the BBC feed and the camera angle on charles is frequently blocked by coffin. So have quite a few shots of FFK and co…of course Fergie is right behind them which lends a certain hilarious touch. And Charlotte has fidgeted a bit. Which is fine…because she’s the next tabloid cannon fodder in about five years so at least she can be a bit fidgety now.
It looks that way! The camera has cut to them quite a bit as they’re behind Charles and Cam.
That was my first thought, much more screen time.
George and Charlotte are old enough to go to a funeral. I went to funerals at that age. The only thing is I wouldn’t do is put a hat on Charlotte. She could be bare headed. The hymn they’re singing reminds me of my Grandmother: The Day Thou Gave Us.
C’mon you didn’t go to a funeral with 2000 people in attendance and TV cameras broadcasting you to your school friends and 2 million people. Geesh.
And in keeping w my train of cheery thoughts this morning I wonder if Willnot and Cannot are picturing their own state funerals while watching this. Although I still doubt the monarchy will make it to George.
I wouldn’t be surprised if it doesn’t make it to Willnot.
^^ It most certainly shouldn’t make it to Cain/ TOB! Everyone would be better off! 🙏 Especially George and his siblings!
Plus, it would somehow be so fitting if the British monarchy ended with King Charles III (Tres), especially when looking back on the historic reigns of Uno and Dos/ Deux. Mon Dieu! 👀 😳
I’m going to be a petty Betty (see what I did there?), but that is the most God-awful bouquet of flowers on the Queen’s coffin that I have ever seen in my life. I know the flowers have meaning, they’re from the estates, myrtle and rosemary are traditional, blah blah blah but WHO put that heap of nonsense together and thought, “Yes, that’s right, that looks perfect.” It is fug.
But I LOVE LOVE LOVE Meghan’s hat, and the cape…so subtly respectful yet regal. She looks gorgeous.
I think part of it is that the colors of the standard would clash with anything made in nature.
I think the flowers are lovely, and a shock of pink is exactly right for Betty.
^^ Yep, the colors do clash with the standard. The all-white bouquet for Diana was perfection. But white flowers were a favorite of hers, hence KP sunken garden white flowers, so aptly given tribute by Meg’s white wrap coat during heady days of their engagement announcement. Who knew then where things would be standing today!
It’s the flowers from her wedding bouquet and her favourites from her gardens, so it’s more symbolic than aesthetic I think.
I thought the flowers themselves were beautiful (I’m a sucker for anything pink), but they do kind of look like they were just thrown on there, not really arranged in any way, so it looks a bit…messy, maybe?
@Eurydice: I’d never thought of that, but it’s a good point and true
^^ No one involved apparently who had any sense of design and color coordination factor.
Andrew was front and center
As gross as he is, it’s still his Mother, did you think they’d lock him in a closet?
It would not bother me if they had not treated harry and Meghan so badly the queen was Harry’s grandmother
i think CarolE got stuck in a row behind the choir
I’m sure her ginormous necklace is still visible, somehow
I think it would be visible from space.
@Tbonesmum, I laughed out loud
In Aus looking at ABC coverage. I was watching to be cynical but the pomp and circumstance got to me a bit lol. Harry just has a natural dignity, he draws the gaze. Meghan looks beautiful and appropriate as always. And then did anyone notice in the cathedral there was a close up of the card on the flowers on the coffin, and a tiny little green spider scuttled across, looked around, went OMG!, 😱 and dove back into the flower arrangement. I had to smile … Life.
I missed it but its over twitter – TQ would have laughed at that. A spider gate crashing her funeral.
I did well up a bit during the gun carriage procession, I admit.
My weak moment was after the commentator told us about her love of the bagpipes and then the pipers arrived and played some of her favourite tunes. Not ashamed to admit I went glassy eyed, and I don’t even like bagpipes!.
I welled up at bit at the Piper’s lament at the end of the ceremony – am Scottish and the sound of a lone piper always gets to me.
@Mustlovedogs this could be the basis of a novella or short film 🙂
@Nick G what a sweet thought 😊 pov- little arachnid
Exactly @Must!
I missed it! That’s hilarious
Baroness Scotland looking fabulous, that’s how you do pearls and a hat!
Shermara (who’s last name I didn’t catch) who just gave a reading looks stunning.
Oh yes, she’s giving me cape envy. Make up also on point.
I stan the Baroness – she is great.
I couldn’t believe they were even contemplating taking George to the funeral , let alone Charlotte .
Have they learnt nothing from Princess Diana’s funeral .
I don’t see Zara’s or Peter’s children there . It’s grotesque what they put these children thru .
Charlotte is better dressed than her mother but she looks like she’s barely holding it together in the 10 seconds the camera was on her.
Poor kid.
Those kids ALWAYS look like they’re barely holding it together. So uncomfortable, both of them. I hate seeing it.
I agree, she looks adorable in that hat but she’s like a deer in headlights – completely too young. George is fine at 9 years old but poor Charlotte is out of her comfort zone. Wrong decision to bring her, IMO
I think Charlotte should have been there better than the heir being the only one allowed George is still only 9
Don’t tell Kate but, she’s sat the kids in the wrong place! Harry and Meghan are behind KC3 and Princess Anne so, every time the camera goes to the King, H&M are in the shot. The kids, William and Kate are hardly getting a look in. 😆 😆 😆
Kate looks foolish- flouncy skirt, giant hat, showing too much skin compared to the other women, and that vulgar choker repeat from Philip’s funeral. Meghan looks quietly elegant. I think it’s unintentionally hilarious that H&M were seated right behind the King & Queen so now they’re gonna be in every camera shot of them.
Meghan looks beautiful and very appropriate. Very regal.
I wonder if she chose a hat with a brim as a sort of shield? I would feel “safer” wearing that hat.
I immediately had the same thought about Meghan’s hat. God, I cannot wait for her (and Harry) to be back home with their babies and Granny Doria and the rest of their true, supportive family and friends. After everything they’d already endured, the events of the past couple of weeks must have been so triggering and stressful.
Sorry, but not watching. Petty I know, but I will not add to the viewing audience that the Brits are going to be bragging about.
God knows I would love to see Meghan walk proudly into the cathedral, but I will catch screen grabs on Twitter.
She walked tall and proud, yet still demure. I’m hella proud of her for holding her head high and taking her rightful place in this scene. She’s now a part of history that even Khate can’t claim.
2 to 1 that putting H&M where they are was somewhat deliberate. Someone probably eventually realised what a cock-up this has all been and opted for the slight damage control. As William is Prince of Wales now, shots of him and his family right behind CIII-PO would be an iconic image for the history books. You’d be a complete dolt not to realise that. Then again…
Also, I’m glad Harry wore the morning suit.
MoonTheLoon, I can’t help feeling Chuck did this because he knew he’d get more video time. He wants some of that Sussex shine. I’m happy for H&M. It will be difficult to erase them from the family/history books with all of these photos with the King.
What seems to be missed by the tabs and by most people is the fact that seating usually depends on the occasion and layout of chairs. But in general, even as senior royals, M&H always sat in the second row. W&K have always sat in the first row. On this occasion, the Queen’s children take precedent, so layout has the Wails further away from Chuck than they normally would be, but still in the first row.
Seating at the Jubbly was perfection for M&H, and seating at these funeral ceremonies has been perfect too, for M&H! 👌
Charlotte is so tiny sitting among all the adults. Why is George wearing a blue suit? Having them here is fine. Having them in the front row is probably not wise. In the film of the coronation, then five year old Charles attended, but was with the Queen Mother on one of the upper levels so he could watch but not really be seen. Much wiser arrangement. Charlotte is kicking her feet. If you’re going to have her there, have a box so she has somewhere to put her feet.
They had eleven days to get George a black suit but he’s in blue. Is he just a fashion afterthought for Kate and Ma Middleton?
And Charlotte is very antsy, waving her program and her feet constantly.
You just have to wear a dark colour.
yes, he was between the QM and Princess Margaret (who didn’t look terribly thrilled to be there herself). there’s an adorable b/w photo of the three of them, where Charles is resting his chin on his hand and looking utterly fed up with it all already. not that I can blame him. tradition!
The blue is so weird! It sticks out so much! I don’t object to the antsy kids. Kids are antsy. I think if they really WERE close to their great grandma, keeping them at home is worse.
I’m not usually sympathetic to the RF, but this must be so exhausting for them.
Absolutely! This seems so gruelling and awful for them to have to mourn so publicly.
Wait…..is that it? Is it over?
No, there is a procession to Windsor for the interment at St George’s chapel.
Oh I know that but I thought the actual funeral at WA would be longer for some reason.
I think the funeral at WA is due to last about an hr – should be finishing up about now.
Are they walking all the way to Windsor?
Incidentally, I know Elizabeth planned this, but I keep picturing her in her coffin, thinking, “Oh good god! Just put me down and leave me! I can’t take this anymore!”
@Elizabeth Phillips – thankfully no they’re not walking to Windsor, just to Wellington Arch where she’ll be transferred to the state hearse
@ElizabethPhillips, I love this comment 😭
I think now there is a procession to Windsor and another televised service with about half the attendees
After that there’s a private burial with no cameras.
Long day!
I wonder if the private burial involves joining Pip’s coffin with Betty’s?
The BBC said it would be 1 hour.
So did Harry have the option to wear his uniform again for the funeral, but decided not to? Or was he only given permission as a one-off thing for the vigil? (I’m irritated that I need to ask this question, because by rights his actual service should be all the “permission” he required.)
The latter. Remember the BRF credo- just think “what would be the absolute pettiest, worst PR option” and that’s the one!
*sigh* Of course. God, this family is exhausting and embarrassing.
Walking behind the coffin now, he still looks like a King surrounded by toy soldiers. Harry just bowed his head while passing the pillar, as his brother and all others in uniform saluted. What a painful moment.
All ex-service men aren’t permitted to wear their uniforms, just their medals. I think the controversy has been that Harry had his military patronages removed from him when he stopped working for the RF, he could have wore the uniform if he still had them but he can’t now he’s a regular ex-serviceman.
(At least that’s how I understand it)
@Miranda, they really are just the pettiest pr!cks, and they put that pettiness on display for the ENTIRE WORLD this week. Incredible
Permission can be given for events like funerals to any ex-serviceman.
Beautiful ceremony so far, luv the choir, well done Britain, love Megs coat dress, Kate looked good too and the kids charming…so far so good.
When will this all be over? There is a 5 pm non-stop flight from London to LA today. I pray that Harry and Meghan will be on it.
I swear half the congregation *aren’t* singing God Save the King.
Including Edward! That’ll do wonders for familial relations.
Including Harry. My God, does that man look completely over it. I feel like he has a plane on standby.
@Christine, I hope so, and I hope the rumor that they’re staying the extra seven days post-funeral is just that— a rumor— and that they bounce immediately, the moment this is over.
I found that weird. Like is there some protocol regarding this (outside foreign royals and dignitaries)?
Half the congregation isn’t singing because they are foreign dignitaries. They wouldn’t sing, nor would they bow or curtsy. As for Harry not singing – he was singing. He looked like he was choking back tears but he was singing.
Looking at that crown with all those looted jewels makes my blood boil. May the Monarch of the UK get what she deserves.
Kate and Ma Midds are tacky AF. Harry stands out among the pretend soldiers. Meghan looks lovely!
@Veda, I cosign this entire comment
The music has been absolutely incredible. Once in a lifetime performances for the choir. Just stunning.
Thou organ at the procession leaving the abbey seems a bit off key to me.
@TeamMeg, agreed, the music really is incredible
The choir alone had me tearing up.
The bagpiper did it for me. I wonder if he was the same one at Philip’s funeral?
@feeshalori – it is, it was the Queens Piper on both occasions.
The music has been excellent!
Oh, yes! And the military bands have been absolutely magnificent all throughout. The constant beat of that drum was so compelling.
I like the pomp surrounding the ceremony more than the actual service, tbh. I guess the rote-ness is the point with the church, and tbf she was the head of the church, but much prefer an American state funeral with personal eulogies mixed in over redundant prayers. better balance between the pomp and the personal.
I think the ceremony at St George’s chapel at Windsor Castle will be more personal.
there’a ANOTHER one? jesus.
I can only speak from a Catholic perspective, and I assume the Anglican perspective would be quite similar (but still heretical. Burn them all! 🤣). Many Catholics, even the more “progressive” amongst us, tend to believe that the church service is an inappropriate place for eulogies because the very word “eulogy” means “high praise”, but the dead person is often not terribly praiseworthy. Personal anecdotes are bound to gloss over this, and basically amount to publicly lying, and in a church, no less. Keeping it bland is the safe route.
I turned off channel 2 when Tina Brown started fawning over Camilla and all the usual spin
Going against the grain to say I think Kate looks perfectly fine, but Camilla’s hat is way too much. For a funeral, it should be a simple hat with minimal adornments imo. Same with Carol Middleton…the hat was too much.
This is the slowest recessional I’ve ever seen. Hope those pallbearers can hang in there.
Yeah thou have noticed that its been the same group of guys over the past few days who also took part in the laying in state virgils.
It is so much more fun to wake up at 2 in the morning for a royal wedding.
On CBS, as family is filing out behind the coffin, Tina Brown just said: Andrew is now bereft—”without any protection”—because he no longer has his mummy as a shield.
As it should be, right? GMAB
I loathe Prince Andrew with a passion but, fair play, he was the only one to acknowledge the “Unknown Solider” when leaving the church.
Noticed just before they got up to follow the coffin , Beatrice was not in her seat? Edo was there but from above you could see an empty chair next to him. I wonder why?
They showed her getting up for some reason. Not sure if it was about being in proper spot for recession or what. Also did Meghan Bob a knee in the direction of Charlotte and George and Co as they recessed out of the pews or was she just moving her leg. It was the worlds tiniest Bob…
Someone came and got Bea about 2/3 thru the service. I assume Sienna unwell but hopefully not.
Ah OK, fingers crossed everything is alright.
I just cannot listen to Tina Brown it sounds like she is trying for honors
Interesting that none of the married ins get to process…I guess a hedge against future divorces marring the video…
Anne’s husband is there.
But would you want to walk all that way in towering stilettos? 😉
Probably because Anne would cut someone if he wasn’t…
@EllenOlenska lol, true
I saw all the stilettos and thought “at least they didn’t make Charlotte wear them”
All the married-in’s except for Tim are women and the women don’t usually process.
I see George and Charlotte are not marching behind the coffin. Good. Glad someone was sensible and put an end to that notion.
I’m beginning to think this is “Granny’s revenge” Just had a shot of the procession and it’s Harry who is in the centre shot and is the stand out royal. 😆
Seriously, some amazing shots of him – the camera just lingers! And being tall and in the middle he’s always visible. It’s partly the angle I think. Charles and the front row get a bit lost.
Can the guys hauling the catafalque sue for “injuries sustained while hauling coffin” later? Pension anyone?
I’m pretty sure they handpicked service members who would be most likely to treat any injuries they sustained while hauling their dead Monarchs’ casket as the highest honor, above any other war wound imaginable. Some weird intersection of machismo and royalism, ya know?
I know the family is walking in a particular age/seniority order, and probably according to the queen’s wishes, but because of camera angles the two royals I’m seeing the most are Harry – and Andrew. Not sure that was the best way to go. Not that I’m complaining about Good King Harry getting center frame, but perhaps Charles and William should have been placed in the middle.
Harry and Meghan had the best seats despite sitting in the second row, LMAO. I love that for them.
I’m also loving that Harry is most definitely the stand-out royal in the procession (again). I think it helps that he’s so tall and isn’t in uniform. Harry to his credit is paying respects to his beloved granny. Me? I’m just enjoying him inadvertently having the most camera shots.
The king sat in the second row at the Windsor service, while Harry and TOB sat in the front row across from the king. The tabloids try to make everything a snub, much of which certainly is, but they go overboard.
Eh! The second row is higher and more visible than the first row at St. George’s Chapel quire. The Queen always sat in the second row there too.
Yep, the tabs consistently go overboard. They are often creators of fiction, but sadly they are also too often beneficiaries of palace leaks.
I think George was old enough and while I think Charlotte was too young, I think it could have been for George’s comfort?
They are in a car following the procession so I think that’s very appropriate
Love Megan’s dress/ cape and demure jewelry, perfection, but her hat? Like the white one at the jubbly, it’s like beach hat material. I just put mine away last night so it’s very upfront in my mind. I think the one thing she doesn’t have game on is her choice of hats.
Laughed several times with H&M’s seating position.
Did no one notice the small kerfuffle when Chaz was giving his hat to someone as he entered the church? (Which was a very good idea logistically). He definitely had a moment where something was off and he was shaking his head with a face.
Kate, yeah, she looked lovely but way over the top jewelry. It’s gross, like Carol’s nasty ugly necklace. K did look like a monster’s wife.
Bill looked like he was trying to look upset or serious.
Sibling as comfort dog seems like a very Windsor thing to do.
So it’s okay to sacrifice Charlotte, as the spare, for the heir’s comfort?
What’s so interesting to me is how much young George’s and young Charlotte’s temperaments/ public personalities as children appear to mirror the sensitive personality of young Charles vs confident personality of young Anne.
Did you all catch (I think it was the Archbishop of Canterbury) pray for “King Charles, Queen Consort Camilla, The Prince of Wales, and all the royal family . . . ” Oooh, that was mean. If they want to pretend to be a couple, include the Princess of Wales too and then go to the rest of the family. She was skipped on purpose.
It wasn’t the Archbishop of Canterbury, it was some lady, but YES I was taken a bit aback by that, lol. I mean, if you’re going to bless the king and the heir, that makes sense, but she included Camilla, so it totally felt like a deliberate snub of Kate that she wasn’t mentioned when William was.
Aye that was odd. It’s just as easy to say the P&P of Wales. That was a major snub (imho).
That stood out to me as well. I’m sure it was just what they’re supposed to say – king, queen, heir – but it was still kind of weird IMO.
I see the Daily Mail is paying back their strongest source of anti Meghan propaganda, Angela Kelly, by questioning her lack of public role the last 10 days and demanding she be “front and center” at the private funeral after this one. (With 800 guests… I can’t.)
I’m delighted for Harry and Meghan they haven’t had to be around that cretin. Btw, the same article floated the idea that one of Kelly’s 3 book deal (another reward for being a source) was a “fly on the wall” account of “her time with the royal family”. Pray tell, why is the family not worried?
Kelly is pissy that she has not been involved AT ALL, today was the first time she was seen in public and am sure she was behind that odd story in fail about why she wasn’t involved – she’s an awful woman who totally took advantage of an old lady to further herself. She was NOT liked by either the family or rest of the household, the King in particular does not like her. She was the person who Harry referred to about making sure TQ had the right people around her. Its said she had a lot of influence over TQ and the decisions that were made.
I don’t think Angela Kelly took advantage of the Queen. I think she was a true friend to someone who probably didn’t get close to many people. But do I think she let her position go to her head ? It probably did.
I’m confused on why there appear to be zero members of the military who are POC in this procession. That’s *deeply* weird, right?
POC are highly underrepresented in the British military.
That’s odd, it’s the opposite in the US military
These commentators have officially run out of things to say. I wondered if I was high when they were attributing emotions to statues of QEII’s parents. “Proudly look on” as the gun carriage passes???? They are inanimate objects.
Those guys firing the cannons looked impressive. 🙂
How hot is it there? I have seen at least 4 members of the MILITARY pass out in the last half hour on the Guardian feed
Princess Charlotte talking in an aside to George looks exactly like Hermione telling off Ron
I noticed that, too. So cute!
Idk of this is morbid or not , but what happens with the Queen now? Is she’s going to be buried or will she be in some kind of tomb?
She and Prince Phillip will be buried together at Windsor. His body has been in a vault since his death so they could be interred together.
George and Charlotte should have been left at home. None of the other great grandchildren are present. It seems W&K are trying to upstage everyone else by bringing the kids. Kate’s choice of accessories are also designed to make her stand out from everyone else. Ridiculous but not surprising.
The outfits worn by the other royal ladies may not be to everyone’s taste but at least they are all appropriate for the occasion.
I just saw her casket go by on Cromwell St about an hour ago..it went rather fast and we barely had time to clap so that was that.
At Windsor. Interesting to see that the regiments here have not been chosen based on height. Some people are noticeably shorter. The horses are also not all black or dark brown. Carrying the rifles behind the back looks very uncomfortable.
The procession going through the countryside feels very ancient.
Also, watching the procession in London, it was completely a military affair. Children would have been utterly inappropriate.
Anyone know who the very tall guy who’s been crying this whole procession is?
The Guardian says he is one of the Queen’s Pages, but I can’t ID who he is.
Thanks! All these side stories are so fascinating to me…
@April, that could be Tall Paul, the queen’s personal page who’s been with her for about 40 years and was very close to her.
Thank you! But I don’t think so, he was a younger guy, in his 30s, I would say. Unless he looks extremely young, in which case I want his beauty regime!
Okay, found him! His name is Matthew Magee, he’s a former aide and he’s 7ft2! There’s an article in the Sun.
Wow, what a height! Thanks for the info. I wonder if his nickname is Majestic Matt.
I just got caught up and went back to look at that segment of the procession and l never thought anyone could surpass Tall Paul in height.
I think Kate looks fine, Meghan looks great. I think it’s okay for kids this age to be at funerals as long as they’re not long drawn out affairs and this one was surprisingly short. Let’s try to be honest, this IS their life, until the monarchy is disbanded( if it’s disbanded) they’re going to have to do some things. George and Charlotte appear to have the same dynamic as QE2 and Margaret, the spare appears to be better suited to be the lead than the heir. Charlotte seems very self -assured and outgoing while George appears to be very shy . This is not a big deal and it’s not hard on them. The only one shouldn’t be there is Louis and he isn’t. The only nit I have to pick is everyone dressed up like tinpot Dictators with all those medals and braiding after never having served a day in combat in their lives while the only person who has doesn’t get to wear his uniform. They look ridiculous.
Nah. The kids are too young to be there.
Everyone I know went to funerals at that age and they were longer and way more emotional than this. We’re fine. They’re fine.
Funeral plus televised, I agree they are too young. I didn’t see it on CNN but there is a pic of Charlotte crying and I’m guessing it’s when the hearse pulled away.
How come the Wales did not forbid those photos of Charlotte crying they were invasive
They wanted to prove that one member of their family can emote properly? It’s not a rictus grin, so there’s that.
@Tessa, co-sign. I think the kids were way too young for a huge, formal, televised “event” that happened to be a funeral. At least during Diana’s funeral the cameras did not focus at all on William and Harry. There is going to be a separate burial service for the family at a later time. I think that would have been a better option for the kids to attend.
@Mel, I’m glad you fared well going to funerals at a young age. I do know that I probably would not have if it had been for a close family member. I was Charlotte’s age, seven, for the first funeral I remember attending. I went to a small Catholic School adjacent to a church, and they would pull us out of class to attend a funeral if there were few mourners. I know, weird, right? I actually did okay because it was a short, non-televised, service where there was only one other mourner there for the deceased. So I clearly recall being very happy to be there because I felt sorry for the dead old guy in the casket for whom no one else had shown up. It only got a bit creepy when they made us file past his open casket! Had it been someone that I knew and loved, I am quite sure that I would have been terribly upset and crying, even traumatized. Not all seven-year-olds would be able to cope.
This funeral was 6 hours. That’s pretty long for an adult let alone kids.
Okay, I understand that it wasn’t a good experience for you, but you are not all 7yr olds and neither am I. I think that most people here seem to have Kate-William derangement syndrome and become angry at every move they make. The kids looked fine, Charlotte more than George, but George always seems uncomfortable at first then he just goes through it. It’s weird but this really is how their life is. Kate and William are their parents so they get to make decisions for them, all this back seat judgemental parenting is not a good look. Their are legitimate reasons to not like them but them taking two kids ( I saw other kids from the royal family there) is not one of them.
Mel, the first funeral I went to I was 9. I was staying with my grandparents, and there was a mass the night before. After the mass, everyone filed past the open casket (to this day I HATE open caskets). The next day we went to the cemetary where there was a short service. I watched the wife and 2 kids. Even at 9 years old I understood that could have been me. I will never forget it. I am so thankful that the funeral I went to was of a stranger and not someone I knew or a family member.
I understand that this was the brf, but did the great-grandchildren at that age need to be part of the circus? I think they could have just gone to the family service. Do they need to teach children to never show emotion? That’s the part that I can’t agree with.
@saucy&sassy- I get what you’re saying but they are NOT LIKE US! Their lives are not NORMAL . THIS is their normal. It wasn’t a circus, no pushing , shoving and carrying on. The casket wasn’t opened, it wasn’t even uncovered, the entire thing was just like an every day Sunday service. I was a little taken aback by how bland it was. I would find it objectionable if there was an open casket and they were forced to look. Look, as I said, we were going to funerals at young age, I’m just used to it and I don’t think this is bad parenting or unusual in any way. Everyone gets to make their own decisions.
Your opinion isn’t entirely misplaced, and I agree with some parts of it, but we really are kidding ourselves if we assume that the Cambridge children were brought out for this funeral for any reason except for stressing, once again, for the audience (i.e. those of us watching) that the British monarchy line of succession is secured for the next four.
They are absolutely being brought out for a photo-op first and foremost, and anyone who says otherwise is laughably naive. The BRF’s continued existence is entirely contingent upon the imagery it crafts and projects to the rest of the world. Charles desperately needs every bit of security he can find for the monarchy’s continued existence. These people are 100% counting on the fact that people will be softened by the presence of the young kids, and they are counting on the fact that even if the adults are not really well-liked at the moment, that people will feel the desire to keep the monarchy around for the children to inherit.
The British royal family’s entire existence is one giant photo-op. And you’re right, the kids do look fine. Whether they really are fine is another question entirely. I don’t think that any person in the monarchy is really capable of taking stock of the peculiarity of the institution they are a part of, or even what having to be a part of this sort of tableau, especially at a young age, really means or how it’s impacting them. Maybe George, Charlotte and Louis will come of age in a world that provides them with those tools. I certainly hope they do.
But there’s a reason why only the two oldest kids are really being brought out for any of this public facing stuff right now, and it’s because they are the one who have probably become aware of the sort of image they are being asked to project, and will project it accordingly. And you really have to ask yourself if that sort of self-consciousness is really a fair burden to place on a pair of children who don’t have the awareness to realize what they’re getting into just yet.
Ya’ll. Is it over yet?
It’s the second funeral at Windsor. We got to see Emma the pony (lovely) and two corgis (smiling – scandal 🙀), so it’s all good.
How on earth can Charles be “Defender of the Faith” when he has been so horrible to his son? 🙁
Well, I mean, that particular line of “the faith” was started by an adulterous monarch who kept having his wives murdered, so…
I don’t want to be an asshole, and I apologize in advance to anyone who might be a member of the Church of England who’s reading this, but since when has “being a good parent” really been any sort of requirement for being “Defender of the Faith”, lmao. Like, which monarch since Henry VIII down do you think really screamed, “Parent of the Year”, let alone in a way that made it seem like that was necessary for being “Defender of the Faith.”
Whoa, Harry looked mega cranky getting into the car just now.
After 10 additional days of losing his grandmother whom he loved, dealing with his vindictive father, watching his sister in law and aunt trip over titles and notoriety, and dealing with his bullying brother, can you blame Harry?
Not really. He just breathed out a deep sigh and looked tired, which is understandable. It’s been an intense and sad day for him.
Can you really blame him? He lost his grandmother and then the rest of the family decided that he needed to be punished during the week he was mourning her. Plus he’s been away from his children for over 2 weeks and his wife has been attacked at every turn.
He did? I saw the video and he was chatting with the guy, helped Meghan to the car and then got in. He seemed fine to me. I mean, it was a 6 hour funeral…
So I just rewatched that bit and there was a closeup of Meghan where she looked on the verge of losing it. A nanosecond away from bursting into tears. She kept it in, but only just. Whatever the clergyman said to her as they were waiting for the car really affected her. To be clear, I think he must have said some kindly words, I don’t think he was being rude or mean.
He looked fine to me, just a long day and at least he helped Meghan into the car instead of rudely climbing in ahead of her like William did with Kate. Even Charles let Camilla enter the car first. William has no manners.
The corgis waiting for QEII 😭😭😭😭
(Sorry I just got caught up)
I’ll admit that the corgis and the pony really got me.
It’s the corgis I really feel for. First they lose their beloved mistress, and now they have to live with York and Fergs…
Media already clamoring charlotte burst into tears with emotion after the funeral but the picture is from before the funeral after getting into a riff with her brother who pinched her (maybe). And so it begins.
Where are you getting that information?
The children should have been off limits unless they appeared with the group. The close ups of them were too much and gave them no privacy.
I got to see two funeral services for the Queen, the architecture of Westminster Abbey is magnificent.
The service in the UK was covered with tradition, a lot of history and acknowledged heritage.
There were two historians on hand, the regular people on the streets were a revelation. Tabloid media in England does a great disservice to the people who live there.
The other service was in Ottawa, intimate reverend and respectful.
The coverage here followed the same format as Prince Philip’s.
There were at least three distinct spoken languages, poetry, songs reading. etc.
May the Queen RIP with her husband, parents and sister.
I just saw a video clip on People of Charlotte apparently telling George when to bow, and then as the casket went by, Kate, who was standing behind them, seemed to do a deep curtsy. This woman just can’t help herself. How many times did she watch the video of Meghan’s heartfelt curtsy and practice in a mirror?
Kate actually posed for photos in the limo. Some have appeared on social media.
The comments about Charlotte being “just like” the Queen I don’t agree with. Even Princess Anne is not the Queen’s Double. Charlotte isn’t I see William and Diana and features of Middletons. Not the Queen. It’s also a burden for Charlotte at age 7 to be said she looks “just like the Queen.”
Charlotte looks just like Lady Sarah Chatto to me.
One thing about these royal funerals is how the entire extended family always show up. I’m from a large family and don’t know some first cousins while the grandchildren of QEII’s first cousins attended the ceremony today.
So glad to see Alexandra Knatchbull, beautiful and elegant, attending St George and Westminster service. She was very close to HM and PP,it pretty much look like she has not slept in days. Her mother, Penny Knatchbull, must be devastated knowing her second parents are both dead. I love the fact that some of them were wearing a brooch which I think its HM favorite jewelry. I wish WK wore one instead of the pearl necklace.
Ya’ll. Is it over yet?