I had a theory that someone – perhaps the Sussexes’ nanny – flew Archie and Lilibet to England last week and no one had any idea about it or else the information would have been leaked by the Windsors. I’m probably wrong though – reportedly, Doria Ragland was seen out in Montecito, so it’s likely that she was staying with the kids this whole time. In which case, Harry and Meghan didn’t see their kids for two-and-a-half weeks. Prince Harry and Meghan flew to England on September 2nd or 3rd. They originally intended to be back in Montecito on the 9th, but then QEII passed away on the 8th. Thus, they spent the past ten days “captured” by the Windsors, having every public outing analyzed to the point where the Mail literally ran a breaking-news banner headline about Harry breathing. Harry’s father and brother were also openly briefing against them the entire time, while also attempting to snub them on a global stage. So here we are: hopefully, the Sussexes are flying out today.
Harry and Meghan stayed in the UK last night after reuniting with the royals to mourn the Queen but are expected to leave for California ‘as soon as they can’ after not seeing Archie and Lilibet for nearly three weeks.
The Sussexes arrived in Britain on September 3 for the first time since the Queen’s Platinum Jubilee in June. They expected to stay only briefly but with the news Her Majesty was ill Prince Harry cancelled his appearance at the WellChild Awards in London and rushed to Balmoral.
Although the Duchess of Sussex did not join him in Scotland, she was by his side for a series of official events over the 10-day period of mourning, including the funeral yesterday.
The Sussexes were reported at the weekend to be planning to fly back to the US as soon as they could, although informed sources last night told The Times that the couple were still in the UK.
If they managed to bring their kids into England without the entire British media establishment being the wiser, it would have been the biggest F-You to the mangy royals and the desperate press. But again, I don’t know. I’m just hoping and praying that everyone gets home safe to Montecito and that there are no more last-minute emergencies which Harry has to tend to. He and Meghan gave these a–holes enough, more than enough. I hope it’s a long-ass time before either of them return.
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Asisde from everything else..Harry must be embarrased and mortified. I remember their engagement interview full of hope and so idealistic. Harry truly didnt know his family.
This! Harry truly had no idea. As he recently said ‘he lived in a bubble’.
By the same token too though, the family also didn’t know Harry that well.
I think what Diana told Morton was the tip of the iceberg which is truly scary harry was hurt by his father and brother the queen did invite harry and Meghan to visit her she should have told William to back off
I think the American foreign office worked with the Sussexes and the kids were flown to England with just the nanny. The grandmother stayed in Montecito to throw the wolves off.
Poor Harry, probably thought his family would treat his wife with the dignity he extended his brother’s wife!!!. He must be appalled
@Duchcheese … “Poor Harry, probably thought his family would treat his wife with the dignity he extended his brother’s wife!!!
Agreed. Not just his family, but the Kensington Palace Staff as well. I’ll be he was even more puzzled and appalled by the Staff’s disrespect to Meghan. He would know they wouldn’t cross that line without the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge’s (at the time) silent approval.
Damn, that hits hard. You’re right. Such a sad thing.
Who needs enemies with family like that.
If they ever doubted their decision the last several days reinforced why they had to leave. Hopefully the children stayed in California. The funeral and all of the Royal pettiness had to be an emotional rollercoaster so the toxic environment created would have been terrible for the children. One thing we learned is that George and Charolotte are now Working Royals because every chance William/Kate get they will bring them out to compensate for the state of their marriage. Welcome Home Harry/Meghan!
I remember how excited Harry was to share Christmas with Meghan and his family. Saying she would get a truly large happy family Christmas. And they both seemed happy and giddy. He did not think for a second this would be the result. It’s so hard to smack into the reality of what your family is. But it’s so much easier with the right partner by your side.
I suspect you’re right about George and Charlotte being “working” royals, though in a limited capacity, much like their parents I guess.
I listened to Tom and Lorenzo today because idk sometimes I like to get a different perspective, and they actually think M+H will start doing longer working visits now that Charles is king.
I’m baffled that anyone with an ounce of sense could think that will be the reality. Who would want that? Certainly not the RF, who can’t stand the be “outshone.” And after this week, PLEASE tell me that Meghan and Harry don’t either. Like it actually makes me physically ill that anyone could float such an idea. I mean, we all know this is what the Daily Mail want but anyone else????
@Gruey I think that was the common thinking back in 2020 and even 2021, that they would come back more as the queen aged or died and charles was more in charge (and now king.) I remember Peter Hunt tweeting that he thought they would come back when the queen turned 95, basically saying something like “what’s unacceptable with a 93 year old fairly healthy monarch may not be unacceptable with a 95 year old monarch and an aging father acting as de facto regent.”
I think what changed in that thinking is as we learned more about what happened in January 2020 and who was opposed to the part time model – William was apparently the one who really put his foot down about it, and if he did that as the second in line, I don’t see how or why he would walk that back as the prince of wales.
Also, there’s just been so much other “stuff” that has happened over the past almost 3 years that I don’t think they will come back even if William said it was okay.
@Gruey- I haven’t listened to that podcast but I saw the tweet where they were talking about the Sussexes coming back to do royal work now that Charles is King, because it just can’t be allowed from a Firm perspective for the son and grandchildren of the King to be living independent lives in America, and I was honestly baffled that they genuinely believe that because even though they sometimes think things I don’t agree with, the idea that the Sussexes would ever go back to being official royals in any capacity now is one of the most blatantly wrong-headed predictions I’ve ever seen them have. I think it betrays a generational bias, where the royal family is more important as an institution than what they could create on their own. Certainly they are far better off personally earning and managing their own money and careers and projects. And I dare say, doing more good in the world as independent philanthropists than they ever could tied to shady, grifty royal nonprofits.
Yes that’s why I don’t get the criticism that Meghan should have known. Harry was optimistic and she was told she would be protected. I’m sure she’s aware she would get some racist slights but who was expecting a nationwide trifecta (firm, press, government) hate and abuse campaign with alleged bot and hate buying for social media, by the family themselves? And it’s very chilling that they won’t stop until she’s dead. And if she does, you can be sure they would milk it like they did to Diana for PR and erasing the narrative of what they did to Meghan.
The Sussexes were ready and eager to work and build on what both of them already started before meeting each other. There was NO talk of excluding Harry from Chuck’s slimmed down monarchy and NO talk of a new LP to remove their children’s HRH or Prince/ess titles. They had no idea the family would turn on them.
If Harry didn’t know that this is how his world would behave, then how would Meghan know?
I also think that Harry saw how Kate was protected in the press once she married into the family and assumed that there would be the same protection for Meghan. So even with the negative racist press in the beginning, I think he thought things would change once they were married.
I honestly don’t think he saw the smear campaign coming.
Agreed, Becks. Harry is always earnest, no matter what you think about him otherwise, and he really believed Meghan would be treated the same as Kitty, by the family. He was legitimately excited to bring Meghan home to them.
I have no idea how you get beyond it, if you’re Harry.
I think there’s no way they would’ve brought the children knowing that Meghan wasnt welcomed in the family and risk to give some people the occasion to diss them and perhaps make them feel uncomfortable in any way.
No way Harry will come back for the KCIII’s coronation, right?!!
Correct. I hope they make clear that they understand it to be an event for “working royals” only, and that’s why they stay home.
(I also hope it’s a miserable weather for the event, and the Sussexes spend the day walking along the beach in the California sunshine.)
Molly 💯 they should accept and then decline the invite because they are not Senior Working Royals
Finally! I think we can measure the length of that trip in dog years.
Gosh it was long and painful, sometimes watching them around that family would give ME anxiety, if Meghan would do something my mind would automatically generate headlines i knew where coming.
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You know, it is hard to determine to what degree famous people have charisma or star power, but this whole ridiculous overblown event really solidified the fact that the Sussexes have these qualities in abundance, far more than anyone in the Royal family.
Every single time they appeared in public, social media was ablaze with their names. Article after article appeared in the press. The efforts of the gutter press to uplift the Peggingtons failed completely. And there *has* been a sea change. The sympathetic comments about H & M—along with strong criticism of Wootton, Levin, et al.—far outweighed the bot hatred sponsored by Charles and Strap-on.
The trip has clearly been intensely painful for the Sussexes. The silver lining is that the world now has a clearer picture of the feckless cruelty and stupidity of the royal family. Let the Fall of the House of Windsor begin.
I have my popcorn ready.
Indeed, I’m exhausted for them. I’m sure it will be nice to return home to hug their children and take a long hot bath to wash all the salt from salty Island off their bodies and minds.
It will be good to have H&M back here in the SoCal
Yes! They’ve looked so sad and tense. Will be great for them to get back to their family and home.
Absolutely! How many hundreds or thousands of headlines have come out in the past 2 weeks? They have been criticized for every millisecond right down to split-second facial expressions. They can’t even breathe or blink.
I hope they stay home and send some cardboard cut-outs or mannequins to all future royal events.
Dear Heavens yes…they must have been climbing the walls wanting to get out of there
How can Meghan just leave the UK? Doesn’t she know she’s the Queen now?? Like seriously, who else can stand against her? Kate? Camilla?
Lesser beings. All hail Meghan, dread queen of the United Kingdom, Commonwealth and the Americas. Why else would the DM be so obsessed if she wasn’t our new global queen?
Lol I saw BBC Twitter linking an article to the Queen’s funeral and the photo they chose was of Meghan! Are you Ok England?
WTF
They all use her picture or name. It’s a guarantee that the article will be looked at. Ditto Harry’s name or picture.
@ALEXANDRIA
LOLOLOLOL
Yeah, the Sussexes may need a stiff drink after all the nonsense (I know I would) but the BM will definitely need to go into withdrawal. And it’s all self-inflicted too on the BM’s part. I’m just reminded again of Einstein’s loose definition of insanity (doing the same thing over and over, but expecting a different result). So, when they lived in England, the BM maligned H & M until they left for America. The BM spent the last two years bemoaning their leaving. Now that the Sussexes returned for a brief trip, the BM again spent all their time (let me check my notes here) oh, okay — maligning the Sussexes while using them for clicks. Yeah, I think the BM will need therapy.
Oh, yeah, looking at the British Media, this all rigamarole should have been titled: “Death of the Queen, starring Harry and Meghan!”
Chuck must be beside himself. He knows he needs H&M to support the BRF, but his jealous, small mindedness won’t let him share the spot light with anyone.
They’re both going to need treatment for PTSD when they get back. At this point, I do, too! 🤣🤣
Agree. I hope Harry and Meghan keep their children away from the royal family. God only knows what racist things they say about Meghan and the children behind closed doors.
I was shocked by the amount of hatred for Meghan in general in the UK and by Kate’s cruel demeanor. There is no way they should return. We love them both here in glorious California. Too bad it turned out this way. Jealousy, immaturity, racism and cruelty made it impossible. I’m very disappointed by my distant relatives in the UK. Glad we came over here on the Mayflower and after. It was the right choice, though things are dicey with the Gop’s fascist drumbeat. Hope our democracy survives.
A colleague of mine told me she cried during the funeral yesterday. I asked why. “It’s the end of an era!” Yes, and why is that a bad thing? A racist, anti-feminist old broad died at 96 of age, she wasn’t even our monarch! The only nice thing she did in the end was time the whole thing so that H&M were already in the UK and didn’t have to fly back again later. She was aghast. I said what I said.
That’s how I feel too. WaPo and the NYT shoving it down our throats too. Why, just why? We fought a war to get rid of these welfare recipients.
I just want Harry and Meghan to come home and get away from those vile vultures.
No love for old queenie, but I don’t think she was anti-feminist.
The most powerful woman in the world didn’t lift her voice once in defense of or solidarity to women. She may not have been anti, but she sure wasn’t pro. One word was all it would have taken for Meghan to have a radically different experience in the UK. Just one.
Now, now, be fair to the queen. After all, she was very busy protecting Andrew’s wandering hands, which I’m sure was a full time job.
@ Debbie, but Andrew’s scandal came out long after H&M’s exit from Salty Island.
QEII had plenty of opportunities to squash the malicious actions of not only the gutter press, but her own son, grandson and his vile wife.
QEII would only need to make one lousy phone call to call off the dogs. In addition, she should have knocked the head of her son, grandson and his vile wife upside their heads with her cane and brought them down to heel the moment that they started briefing against them as they ALL did, as she was the fucking Queen. But no, she didn’t lift a pinky for her grandson.
This will be part of her history, her legacy. A monarchy of 70 years that refused to protect her grandson and his family.
The end of an era – don’t make me laugh.
Betty’s reign was a squandered opportunity to make an actual impact. She didn’t do f*ck.
She was a prisoner like the rest of them.
And what do you think they were blackmailing her with? I doubt she had the same filthy path her two elder sons have. She had all the power, and she sat on it.
Exactly this. I have been asking what legacy this woman is leaving, other than she reigned over the UK for 70 years, like what else makes her be celebrated like this? “Akulutho”
TQ reminds me of my grandmother, who I loved dearly but had a complicated relationship with. Other than them both being tiny and having similar haircuts, they were both products and upholders of the white patriarchy. I don’t know how much a chance my grandmother would’ve had to turn out differently, being from rural Oklahoma and getting married very young, but I would’ve hoped TQ, as a world leader, had a better chance. So I say, it’s hopefully the end of an era, and may the ideals she stood the most for be spoken of in past tense.
I don’t know, my grandma was also around the queens age and I also had a complicated relationship with her. She was from rural Texas and married at 16. For all her faults though she was a strong feminist and advocate until the day she died.
Thank F*ck they can get out of there. I’m exhausted for them. And since the royals all showed their asses, my money is on them NOT going back for any royal adjacent event.
I think that Harry and Meghan won’t have to decline attending any royal events in England because his Majesty King Charles III will not be extending any invitations to them. The new king will show the world just how a prodigal son is shunned. Harry is done and by extension his family as well.
The anti-Sussex people are proclaiming H&M done as in washed-up and irrelevant. This I doubt. They were seated behind Charles in the biggest broadcast event ever, 4.1 billion views by some measures, and a 95% viewer share in the UK. Headlines screamed about them every day. They are cemented in the public consciousness and not going any place.
This entire ordeal has been excruciating to witness. The BRF is well and truly off to the worst start under CIII, and I couldn’t be happier about that. F*ck them. F*ck them all.
YES.
Yes!
Diana was prophetic
They’ll be back. I don’t know people think they should never go to England again. They do have friends, charities, an some family like the Yorks’ they are close to. Harry and Meghan will continue to do trips like the one before the Queen died.
Of course they’ll go back at some point, but after this, I doubt they’re gonna be going back anytime soon.
If they do, they will be few and far between. But until then, they will be in a holding pattern trying to sort out their security issues. Which will get worse if Charles takes away Frogmore Cottage from them.
Would KC take away Frogmore Cottage before the Coronation? Having already taken away his security then Harry could legitimately stay away for safety reasons. I really can’t see KC wanting Harry’s absence dominating the front headlines. I think KC will might let H&M keep FC until after the coronation (at least).
OTOH if he does oust H&M from FC before the coronation then I think it would be safe to assume he doesn’t want Harry and his family there. 🙁
I think we all mean they won’t be back to see their family.
Lol, yes.
@Lolo86lf, What family??? Ooh, you mean that “den of vipers”?
If I were them, I wouldn’t go anywhere near his family again, and I’d be very hesitant to bring the children there at all.
Maybe she cried yesterday from relief
Honestly, that’s what I thought. Like “thank f*ck this is over, I can get away from all of this assclownery now.”
I think that was part of it.
When they finally left Harry did visibly blow out his cheeks, like he was finally relaxing.
@Nina. When they got in the car after the funeral Harry made the phew sound. It was clear on the audio. He was relieved the ordeal was over.
The one thing the media can say about the queen is how long she sat on the throne, period. Not how long she was on the throne followed by her list of accomplishments. Get that at the beginning she was young and scared and surrounded by men who told her they knew better but she never moved on from that. Such a wasted opportunity, no wonder Meghan she’s a tear.
…and like Kaiser said, they turned it into a headline. Talk about grasping for information.
I agree, in part, it was crying for herself. The woman who got into that car with her husband was a woman who wanted privacy to have a good old cry. God knows, I’ve cried in my office with the door closed because as a woman you can’t show any weakness on the job, you’re labelled unprofessional and incapable of doing the job. As a woman of colour in white spaces the why you got the job is always the leading voiced or unvoiced question regardless of your experience and credentials.
This funeral was the final nail in the coffin, pun intended. It was the final thing that calcified my hatred for the British monarchy, including the late woman. I have nothing but disgust and contempt for all of them, and I now believe all the nastier stories that swirled around Elizabeth. She was not a good or a classy woman. She was a trashy, cruel, incurious, lazy, theiving woman whose death only made the world better. That’s her truth and her legacy.
In the national news I watched embiggening her, all they could come up with was how many Presidents she had met, how long she lived, how long she was married and that she gave a bunch of “there, there, things will be okay” speeches during any crisis.
Professional gaslighting as a career.
I kept thinking what a horrific waste the nonstop processions were. She was just a person, someone who did not earn her job, someone who was not elected, someone who did nothing special while in the job. I get the need for a public funeral, but the excess fawning and drawig it out for as long as possible was just disgusting. I think the royals know this is the last time they’ll get the public so easily on their side. Meanwhile, the public should be demanding the end to that grifting, greedy institution. There doesn’t seem to be a single decent person among them, except the one who left.
I couldn’t agree more with you. I’m planning a trip to the british isles and Ireland and have made a point to not set foot in England. Only Ireland, Scotland and Wales it is. I gotta support these future republics with my hard earned money.
see? the BRF does have a big impact on tourism! lol!
I would love to see Ireland especially (I have Irish ancestors). have a great trip!
I did the same when Brexit was happening and all of the disgusting racism was on display then. We enjoyed the heck out of Ireland. The people were amazing and it’s gorgeous. Have a fabulous trip.
She ruined a lot of lives, one word from her and the grey men Diana referred to would have stopped, she ruined Margaret’s life, Diana’s life and turned many counties into slaves. The whole past days were over the top in extravagance, ostentation and a complete display of disregard for the people suffering ointment todays economic crisis. Time to turn palaces into apartment and disband this lot of thieves. They should also return jewels pillaged from poor countries. On of the biggest sapphires belong to a country I lived in, then Ceylon now SriLanka. They are bankrupt Hopefully her commonwealth falls apart soon.
Yes to all of THIS.
yes go home to your babies H&M. mourn your loved one in private, away from this circus.
I do love though that we don’t know whether the kids are there or not. the most likely scenario is probably that the kids stayed home and Doria went up to stay with them, that seems less disruptive to young children IMO then bringing them to the UK for the above mentioned circus – but at this point we don’t know and I love that for them.
When they finally get home, and see Archie and Lili again, and hug them tight… that will be the happiest moment. ❤️
Saw Meghan still wearing square item under her cape dress yesterday and wondered maybe it’s a wireless baby alert for Archie & Lili, not medical device or security device…
I love that we don’t know where the little ones are either. Not anyone’s business but theirs. I feel like I keep learning these really good tips from them for when I become a parent
I wonder if Harry will fly home via Germany, for the meeting he missed there first.
Meghan, I think, will leave for Cali asap. Her work is done there, I bet they want her home with the kids immediately.
What meeting did he miss in Germany? They went to Germany on September 6.
They already had their engagement in Germany. It was WellChild they missed and the event went on without them. They will both be flying home.
Oh thank you!
I thought he had to still go to Germany!
What a relief.
Thanks @ginger
I was wondering if the WellChild event went on, since it seems like all of England ground to a halt when the queen’s death was announced.
I’m praying they are already on a flight as we speak. I think funeral activities didn’t end until ab 9 pm last night. Too late to catch any commercial flights. Although there are a number of them available this morning UK time. As it’s already past noon over there, they should already be in the air.
Did you guys see the photo of Harry and Meghan in their car after the last of the public activities. Harry exhaling in exhaustion and relief and Meghan looking like she just escaped hell. Every moment of this was a tournament of torture. Yet the press is already proclaiming that the family was nothing but kind to them and therefore Harry’s memoir should be canceled and Meghan should never speak again because it would ruin the truce.
I pray Harry and Meghan get back home today, take some time to recoup and get their equilibrium back, then proceed with everything planned and NEVER look back.
Amen to that, Snuffles.
It’s been a tournament of torture for all of them to have to grieve in such a public way. It’s hard enough for me to imagine that, let alone the added torture of not being able to grieve with your family – to have them expect you to jump through hoops and freeze you out at the same time.
Hear hear!
The press deals with alternative reality. The fail is a hoot.
This one? Those two were so done, Meg especially. Harry was relieved, but she looked absolutely tormented. I’m so glad they’re coming home. And BTW, she was flawless and gorgeous the entire time.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdC-NISWQAQX5Qu?format=jpg&name=large
The look on Meghan’s face in that photo is heartbreaking. Come home safe.
She must really love that man. Sometimes love just isn’t enough to deal with that BS. I commend their tenacity.
Absolutely heartbreaking. I cannot even comprehend that kind of cruelty towards your own child.
It’s been an emotionally exhausting 2 weeks I’m sure. And not just because there was a major death but also having to deal with the briefings and some family members behaviour towards them.
I really hope they are on their way home , get the Therapy they need, and I hope Harry has learned some deep routed lessons from this they aren’t going to change and he needs to look forward to his future and put down the baggage that is his family, I’m not sure they will get out intact the next time, and I do t want to see the look of terror on my girl’s face as. Did when she did the walk around. There is only so much a woman can take
Echoed my thoughts exactly 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Why do people assume that Harry needed to “learn lessons” from this or needs to “look forward to his future” or whatever? Why is there an assumption that he’s not doing that? I think its clear at this point that Harry knows exactly how his family operates. he wasn’t in the UK for this past week to mend fences with his father or his brother or to get back into the royal fold or whatever. He was there to honor his grandmother, full stop.
You’re not the only one I’ve seen say that over the past two weeks and I don’t really get it bc its not like Harry said “well since we’re here now Meghan we might as well stay for the next 6 months and get back to royal work, I’m sure my family will be different this time around.” Harry got Meghan and Archie (pre-lilibet) out of the UK for a reason. He knows.
You took the words right out of my mouth, @Becks1. *applauds*
@becks
I don’t get it either. Harry and Meghan only went back to honor the Queen. Quite literally the last emotional link they had to that institution. They’re done.
Thank you Becks, your comment is spot on. The concern trolling is annoying.
This. Harry went back to honor his grandmother and Meghan went to give him support. People have been leaving comments about how they hope this is what Harry needs to “truly disengage”. He already has. Step into reality.
I don’t get this, either. Perhaps it’s because H&M are so quiet about their work that people think they have nothing else to do. Also, everything in the press is about will they/won’t they reconcile with the RF. Just as there can be no article about the RF without mention of Meghan, there can be no article about Harry or Meghan without dragging the RF’s feelings into it. And, if we consider that all the briefing is coming from the RF side, it’s like the RF can’t let go of them. At the same time, Harry’s upcoming memoir keeps him attached to the RF, as would the supposed documentary about their post-royal life. It will take time for each side to disentangle themselves from each other.
Exactly Becks!
And C, for this trip, H & M “went back” to work on their charities. It wasn’t for anything related to the BRF. (Early on I thought maybe they’d been tipped off that the end was near and that’s why they scheduled a visit, but then the way they were treated erased that thought)
But I agree that the only reason they stayed and participated in the mourning events was to honor Harry’s grandmother. Not because they had any hopes or expectations of reconnecting with anyone in the viper pit that is the BRF or Firm.
He is attached to the royals because he is royal and that isn’t changing. His work doesn’t tie him to them.
Yes, North of Boston, you are correct – my usage of “went back” was referring to the family not the UK or Frogmore.
I mean, Harry has said it outright in THE INTERVIEW and very pointedly in TMYCS. Not to mention, “If you knew what I know,” in the Bradby interview before they ever left. He soooo knows what his family is. Watching Meghan and especially Harry walk by KKKHate yesterday without making eye contact at all helped my heart mend for them. Their respect and love for QEII was perfectly expressed throughout this entire ordeal. Those iconic images will last forever.
@C – if you’re responding to me – Harry’s work ties him to the RF when he references the RF. His memoir, the mental health documentary, the possible Netflix documentary. That’s not to say he’s attacking the RF, just that his personal connection is attached to a particular piece of work.
I admire how H&M do their work quietly and with little fanfare, but I think they could step up their PR just a bit to highlight their work as people apart from the RF. It looks like this was going to be the strategy, with the podcast and the charity tour, but things got derailed by the Queen’s death. Even though it seems like forever, it’s really early days for H&M – they’ll get back on track quickly.
No, I disagree. Harry’s story and mental health pursuits, his life’s work, are not tying him to the RF. It’s his story to tell and he can tell it if he wants. It’s related to them because this was his family and life but doesn’t tie him to it. Is he supposed to pretend he was born again at age 36 in a vacuum with no family or history prior to that? And he does work with BetterUp, he does work with Invictus. I don’t understand when people say they need to “let go” of their ties to the royals and be more “independent”. He can reference his heritage, a symbol of his home country, and forge an independent path at the same time and it doesn’t tie him to the rest of this family. And again, it’s only been two years, a pandemic for much of that.
Again, he’s tied to the royals because he IS royal.
Agreed – parts of the commentariat needed to learn lessons but Harry knew just fine.
@C – I think we agree in substance and are using different words to get there. I have no problem with being able to place Harry’s history in context with his current projects. My comment was to come up with an explanation for why *others* might think Harry has to “let go.” Part of my thought is that it’s the RF and the BM that can’t let go; they are the ones that want the tie. And whenever Harry references the RF, which he will have to do when talking about his life, the RF and BM tug on that tie. This is the part of Harry that gets the most PR, even though it’s unwanted and not all that he is anymore.
I agree. Harry has checkmated his nasty family and the grey men at every turn…effortlessly. He and Meghan stayed to honor his grandmother period. They looked beyond relieved yesterday and I have no doubt they are jetting away from that mess of a family. With the exception of the friendly cousins, I doubt Harrybis wasting much energy on King Charles the Petty or the Prince of Pegs
I totally agree Becks! 👏👌
He and Meghan have both carried themselves with the dignity the situation demanded. I’m sure Harry knows better than any of us, just what his family is capable of. That’s why he left in the first place!
Becks1 thank you. Yes. Adding from my experience, even knowing the fullness of who many of his family are and knowing to expect horribleness, there’s always a wispy hope they won’t be so bad and always (at least for me) still this sort of disbelief at every new, terrible bottom. I believe H&M know so much more awful truth than they’ll likely ever share
Spot on Becks1, thank you. It makes me wonder if that false narrative of “he’s learned his lesson” is the Firm’s way of extending the “us” vs. “them” racist-imperialist-ignorant gaslighting. …
I hope the Sussexes snub the coronation of Not My King/Blank Piece of Paper.
We’ve watched a year of royals facing karma (from the Flop Tour to the Suitcase of Money to the Peg o’Will’s Heart to the Pay Off for Andrew, etc., etc.) while Harry and Meghan have shined brighter than ever. I predict the next year or so will be more of the same.
That funeral was another circuit around the drain.
I doubt they will receive an invitation to the coronation, and if they do it will probably be rescinded at the last minute.
Lol, can you actually rescind an invitation that’s been declined?
Of course they will be at the coronation. If they don’t go it will be a bigger story than the coronation itself, for which plans are already afoot.
Meghan and Harry should bring the children with them….KKKate will love that!
They will absolutely be invited to the coronation and they will go, at least Harry will. My guess is he will go to the coronation and that may be his last royal event until his father’s funeral, but we will see.
ETA also, if they come back for the coronation, it will be very different from this. My guess is they will attend “just” the coronation and maybe a reception afterwards or something, maybe. They’re not going to have to hang around London for almost 2 weeks while their children stay back in Montecito (the children will not be at the coronation, I’m just saying the required/expected appearances from H&M will be fewer. Would not be surprised if they just fly over for 2-3 days.)
Technically Harry has to be at the Coronation because he is a Duke and they are impt ceremonially.
I think he may fly in just for the main event and I am not sure we will see Meghan there. I cannot see these two willingly giving that family any further free publicity.
I am still convinced they waited for H&M to be in Europe to help Liz along to the promised land, thereby not giving them any other choice.
Don’t @ me – we know they’ve done it before with Liz’s Dad.
Nice Dark Highlights summary of the royal year, Merricat. LOL The hits keep coming.
Everyone wants their looted treasures back. The commonwealth dwindles. The monarchy is blind to the suffering of the people.
It’s nothing but hits ahead for Charles.
+💯 From leaky pen to leaky Commonwealth… it’s only a matter of time.
I still say those countries will have to pry those stolen jewels out of Kate’s cold dead hands.
Merricat that is quite the summary of “a year in the life.” The karma is brewed to perfection
I hope that Meghan is not forced to subject herself to this torture to attend the coronation. If Harry must go, I hope he goes alone.
I hope they will be leaving soon too. They’ve been through enough and away from Lili and Archie for a long time now.
I tend to agree that Archie and Lili stayed in Montecito with Doria (and probably a nanny), with frequent FaceTime visits with Momma and Papa. I can envision that Harry and Meghan contemplated bringing them over, but having seen how massively horrible the BRF (especially CIII and KKKHate) are, decided to forego the hugely complicated security arrangements and just leave them where they’re safe.
They behaved beautifully and now they are going home and can chill.
They beautifully honoured a beloved family member. Harry did his duty by his Queen/Commander/Granny. Now hopefully the two of them can go back to the life that they have built that has brought them joy away from this mess of a family(if they so choose).
Watching the royals in-fight and jockey for position while the Queen’s body was barely cold really was horrific. I hope the entire family has space to grieve between all this game playing. Jesus.
Watching Harry and Meghan’s grace in the midst of all these slights has really been something and it an absolute testament to the love the felt for the Queen.
Yes!
I think there are many who choose to mistake their benevolent/ honorable/ decent natures for weakness. To those eyes, H being in the UK, taking part in the family events is a sign of neediness or wanting to get back in good graces or being summoned and having no choice.
Those people have completely lost the plot and have missed the obvious and sometimes clearly explicitly stated intent of the Sussexes to focus on their own lives, acts of service, raising their children, with love, fondness and respect for Harry’s granny, but absolutely ZERO interest in engaging with The Firm.
“All happy families are alike; each unhappy family is unhappy in its own way.” With this nod to Tolstoy, I wish that the BRF and UK media would stop deluding themselves that the only thing worthy or interesting about Harry is his connection to the Royal Family. I hope his memoir focuses on the causes and issues he cares about and the experiences that he has had that have shaped his values; if there is no mention of his life in the Royal Family, that book will still be purchased and read. We should hope that Harry’s happy memories of life before marrying Meghan remain his (why should he have to trot them out for context or public examination) and we can only hope that any unhappy memories resulting from what we know AND don’t know about his appalling treatment by those who should have been “on his six” protecting him from lies and various other forms of character assassination don’t deserve to be given a public airing unless Harry thinks there is some particular value in doing so (condemning the behavior can be done without pointing the finger at those who should have known better but were unwilling to stand up for what is right).
Yes, they acted with class and dignity throughout. I wish them a safe journey home and a lovely reunion with their children.
TBH, the sooner they get off this effed-up country, the better! The sheer vitriol and hatred towards them is astounding! The bots are mad. Yesterday I told someone on Twitter that this was enough and to leave Meghan alone and there was someone else replying “no sympathy warranted.” (and some other things that I don’t want to mention)! It left me traumatised, and I am a complete outsider! As much as I love seeing both H&M in the UK, I just wish they never set foot again…
Hate wins in royalist England.
I hate that island, but Harry and Meghan were just fine when they attended OYW event. That family is toxic and Harry should follow Meghan’s footsteps and cut ties with his family.
What is the most pathetic is that these bots claim they welcomed her I saw comments on social media and the same mean comments were going on
Oh, but they never did! To have Harry issue that statement, as soon as they became official, it was huge! And now, they keep going and going and spreading hate until when? When will Meghan and Harry be good for them?
I hear ya! I went on a Twitter tear yesterday and chose violence. Not my proudest moment. Though telling front facing racists to eat it has it tiny baby perks
I’ve been throwing the biggest Block Party on Twitter since Harry and Meg arrived in early September. So many people have come…with none to be heard from again. The party continues, too! I chose violence a few times but decided that my blood pressure was more important. It’s good to know people like you are fighting the good fight and getting into good trouble!
Same, Babz. A lot of the comments made me physically sick to my stomach, and I’m not sure how they live with themselves.
@Babz – I promise to bring good wine to ur next block party!!
I feel the same @Sophie. I hope they don’t set foot here for a long time! Was watching Jeremy Vine this morning and a man called in spewing his hate, he actually stated that he thought what Harry did was worse than what Andrew did, and that Archie and Lili shouldn’t be given titles! (Whatever it was he thinks Harry did aside from marry and mixed race American woman).
I hate this country more and more each day and can’t wait to leave!
After spending all those hours yesterday morning on the funeral, and a good deal of time here, I watched Spencer last night. Just to kind of remind me (in case recollections may have varied, which they didn’t) who these a*holes in the Royal Family are. Today, I feel like I’ve been through some kind of exhausting catharsis. So I can only BEGIN to imagine what it must be like for Harry and Meghan, who were actually not only there, but front and center. OMG Harry puffed his cheeks! The insanity.
That’s why this picture resonates. I’m exhausted after watching all this. I can only imagine how they feel! I just want them home with the babies and Doria.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdC-NISWQAQX5Qu?format=jpg&name=large
Yes, it was an awful ordeal for the two dears. They should never go back. I hope their recovery is swift.
God these pics of Meghan, she’s such a stunner!
Yes I’m jealous *cries*
I saw some of the tv coverage this week and it is deranged. They are basically encouraging her to feel suicidal, lying saying that she hated living in the uk/hated doing the work (neither of which she ever said, in fact the opposite) and convincing harry to try to leave her. and there is no one out there saying anything positive about her. how is the entire country convinced of this.
No one out there saying anything positive about her? Seems to me like you’re watching the wrong things. Have you seen the swell of support on social media? In the last 10 days, Meg has added an enormous amount of sympathizers to her cause. Even the palace is taking note; hence Richard Kay alluding to the fact that the Sussex army will somehow bring down the monarchy. Sure, there are idiots bleating like goats on UK TV, and bots regurgitating tabloid nonsense…but support for H and M is far greater than any of these! Meg is fine!
That is the one positive about the last week, my Twitter feed is all good things about Meghan. It’s a combination of blocking, Meghan getting overwhelming support, and the Twitter algorithm understanding by my likes that I’m not interested in seeing anything negative about Meghan, I guess? I have to select “most recent” before I see anything about her that is negative, and then it’s a block party, because holy hell, those are some black hearts.
@anna my son (who has absolutely no interest in the royals) said the same thing. There is a big difference between what is on the TV (we’re in the US) and what is on social media. I see way more support for the Sussexes on SM than on programming.
Still a lot of haters on SM. Some of them you can tell are bots, “blackfacing” accounts and multiple accounts by same person by their posts and repetitiveness.
@Anna Thankfully a LOT of tweeters are asking “4 Takes Wooton” if he’s spewing his bile in order to get Meghan to go the same way as Caroline Flack. For those not in the UK; many believe 4Takes’ hounding of television personality Caroline Flack was part of the reason she took her to own life. Coward that he is, he deleted all his goading vile tweets towards her. However, people haven’t forgotten and are reminding him his treatment of Meghan is similar to that of Caroline. In fact the depth of feeling is so strong “Caroline Flack” trended in the UK.
I bet the filthy owners of that rag and Dan popped champagne over that tweet.
OMG! I had no idea that he bullied Caroline Flack, that is awful.
Freaking Maria SHRIVER (a Kennedy!!) tweeted about how idiotic it was that Harry was not allowed to wear his uniform during some of the proceedings. The Sussexes have been getting a lot of support.
As torturous as these past weeks were, Harry can live his life knowing he paid his respects to his grandmother in the same way as the rest of his family, although it cost him way more. There is a great comfort in knowing you were there, you did everything you wanted to or could do and the rest was out of your hands. It brings peace.
I need photographic evidence today that the Sussexes are on the ground in CA, then I’ll breathe easier.
I think this is exactly why they were both there and both did as much as they did. They know they honored the Queen the way she wanted and planned, they were there out of love and respect for the queen, the rest is out of their hands.
Have a safe flight Harry and Meghan! Best wishes to them to heal from this unforeseen 2 week shit show. Harry’s next trip to the UK will be his book tour. We can call it the Revenge Tour 🙂
I’ve always loved and admired H and M; but over the course of the last 2 weeks, the pride I feel towards them has quadrupled! The way they conducted themselves- the grace, class, dignity- especially given the situation! A true regal master class! For all the noise flag-shaggers make about poise and class, no one in that family can come close to Meghan in that regard. Kate, for all her years in that institution, still has not managed to shed her middle class bearings…that’s why she looked so tacky with that outrageous bee-keepers hat and veil, and all that gaudy vulva jewelry that she raided from the queen’s collection! All hail Queen Meghan and safe travels home to you and King Harry!
ROFL on the vulva jewelry 🙂
Veda, I saw a headline that stated that vulva jewelry was worn by Diana. Welp, I guess we know why it was chosen.
BUBS, you described Meghan and Harry well. This is why IMO the brf go after them so strongly. They are a dull lot, but next to H&M they become insignificant. I doubt the brf will ever forgive them for that.
@Bubs 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Have you seen the photo of Kate that’s making all the derangers salivate? I have it, but won’t post it here. It’s another mob wife photo like from Phillip’s funeral. It’s full face, and while she’s not staring “directly” into the camera, she’s close enough to it that she still has that empty green-eyed, “I could cut you where you’re standing “ glare. It shows the veil in high definition, too, which is so over the top. It’s a beautiful picture, I’ll say that, and if you didn’t know the backstory, you’d be singing her praises from here to the moon and back. But knowing the story makes her beauty poisonous. I don’t know if Chris was taking the picture, but if he was, he once again exposed her completely for who she really is. And not in a good way.
When I saw that picture I knew her favorite pap was on the job. Poisonous beauty indeed. Also posed like she did for the Philip funeral picture.
The nasty looks and mean girl behavior shown by Kate during the “Fab 4” walkabout told me all I needed to know about who the bully was. Even my family who think I’m royal obsessed thought Kate seemed toxic.
I thought that they were staying until after the mourning period was over. I thought that’s why M cancelled her NYC appearances.I hope that’s wrong and you’re right. I want them out of there ASAP. I hope they never deal with any of the Windsors except Eugenie ever again. No coronation. No investitures. Nada.
You know Harry will attend the coronation and drag his wife and maybe even his children with him!.
Wrong. Harry has shown us in the past that his return trips to England have only been about honoring either his mother, his grandmother, or his beloved charities.
Harry has never come back to do anything for his father or his brother. I cannot see him entering the lion’s den again for them unless they were dead or on their deathbeds. Then I would imagine that he would want to pay his respects like the soldier and the gentlemen that he is. But willingly return for more royal clown show? NOPE.
Drag his wife? Sorry but can some fans please start giving Meghan some agency in her own relationship? Some people act like Harry tells Meghan what to do and her only option is to go along with it. I am sure a lot if not all the decisions they make, they make together.
No. He and Meghan make decisions together and I highly doubt he is going to that. And if he didn’t bring his kids to this funeral, he wouldn’t to any coronation.
No, I really think this was the final-final for the Sussexes with that family, except for funerals. And it would be for major funerals like Charles. Nobody should sacrifice their peace of mind only to get further abuse in return. Plus, if the Sussexes did come back for the Coronation, the rota rats would be shouting “overshadow” from the rooftops.
@ROAA Drag? I hardly think so. It’s clear to most people that their marriage is a mutual partnership. I’m sure the pair of them will discuss whether they should or shouldn’t go. However, I think it will be a moot point as they will be “uninvited” at the last minute; along with the Crown Princess of Denmark 😉
You know, the haters on social media say the same thing about Meghan, that she completely controls him. This couple makes all their decisions and choices together. It’s a true partnership – the kind like we all wish for everyone to have. Like Meghan said in The Cut interview – we move together. They are adults who have mutual respect and regard for each other. No one is dragging the other anywhere.
@ROAA — Harry doesn’t have to “drag his wife” anywhere. They make decisions together because that’s what loving and respectful couples do. I imagine they’ll make a very brief appearance at Chuck’s coronation without the kids and bounce as soon as possible.
ROAA, I’ve said in previous posts that Harry is a man of honor. He is a Prince. If he determines that he needs to be at the coronation–because it’s who he is and not because of anything else–then he will attend. I also have to wonder if his granny asked him to attend. I can’t help but wonder, because I rather think that’s something she would do.
It’s a discussion H&M will have assuming he’s invited.
I think they canceled appearances because 1) They were scheduled too close to the funeral and would not have made it back in time 2) They are still honoring the family mourning period 3) They are definitely going to need some down time to recover
I think the Fallon appearance was scheduled for tonight, so of course she canceled it. But I think they can wait out the royal mourning period without being in the UK.
Ugh I’ve been watching/reading all the coverage and have been just dying over H&M and all the BS they’ve had to endure after 17 days (?) being away from home and the kids. Poor M had to be with these awful people for hours on end every day, carefully controlling how she moved, dressed, spoke, looked at people and her body language. Plus holding it together while her husband was being humiliated by his own family, then attending several long dinners with those same people. I hope she is almost home right now and gets some much deserved quiet time with the kids and her dogs. What a nightmare.
Meg and H handled it really well though. Plus, they managed to turn the tables around and outshine the remaining members of that family every step of the way! From H looking like the King (that he is) surrounded by toy soldiers to M stealing the show in that magnificent outfit yesterday. I was angry when this whole shitshow started; but by yesterday, I was friggin proud of them!
Absolutely! They showed how it’s done and need have no regrets. Now, I just want them home, peaceful under a tree, and healing from this latest salvo of attacks and abuse.
Now I can see Meghan’s beautiful elegant black dress! I am so happy that Harry and Meghan can finally leave Salty Island and head back to beautiful Montecito by the sea. Both of them endured lots of savagery from King Charles and his stuffy heir William for the past week not to mention the hatred-filled British tabloids who must be run by the Devil himself. I too hope that the Sussexes don’t come back to England for a very long time. Who needs enemies with family like Harry’s.
They need to leave that island fast and get back to their family and business. Piers and Sharon are still smearing her, and the family is briefing against her and Harry. Nothing has changed.
Piers will probably have a fit when someone defends Meghan and storm out of the studio
Lol, Piers and Sharon have an audience the size of a thimble.
And long may it continue.
Has Piss M. ever had a job from which he wasn’t fired?
What is his back-story ?
It was a great day when p Morgan left the US and went home.
Do you mean to say that after their “beloved” queen has died, and she wasn’t even buried yet, Piss Morgan and Sharon Whoever have spent their time talking about the Sussexes, instead of said queen? That is actually funny (and a little disturbed).
I hope harry and Meghan skip wills Investiture
They won’t be attending that mess.
Yes. I hope so too. I think they only returned for the funeral because Harry had a special relationship with his grandmother. It’s clear he has no close relationship with his father and brother, who continue to relentlessly brief against him, goading him to respond. I don’t think there is an official ceremonial role or need for Harry to attend either the investiture or the coronation.
Probably all of Wales wants to skip it too.
They’re not going to be received well in Wales, mark my words. The investiture should be as low-key as possible — no parades, no TV coverage, the time for this kind of frippery is OVER.
they definitely won’t be there for it and I think it will be relatively low key, especially if its anywhere in time near the coronation. Charles’ was different because his was….1969? I think? so it was well after the Queen’s coronation, well before her 25th jubilee, etc.
Anyone else notice that now that Kate is the FQ or whatever there were no moony pics of her looking at Harry – I don’t actually think she even acknowledged him once (that I saw anyway). She didn’t even TRY to look like the “peacemaker” – her coldness was on full display and I hope they never have to look in her eyes again.
Oh, she DID acknowledge him. She was practically begging him to look at her yesterday during the second funeral when her husband had to shoo her like a child to the side so Meg could pass. She wanted to catch his eyes so bad but Harry paid her dust. She looked deflated…the videos are on Twitter and Tiktok…so funny!
She saves the mooning over him for when Meghan’s not around. She did try to run around and join PH and PW before Meghan at the walkabout. PH looked around and saw Meghan behind her and went around Kate to join her.
I thought I saw Meghan very lightly touch kHates arm as she walks past but I don’t think she acknowledges her.
I think the reverse was true — I don’t think Harry even glanced her way once over these 10 days. It was like she didn’t even exist. When William held K back from barging into the pew ahead of them at the funeral, a lot of people said it looked like she was trying to catch Harry’s eye when the Sussexes filed in, but he didn’t acknowledge her at all. I agree she definitely kept her distance, but I’m sure she knows the score and on some level she doesn’t have the guts to look either of them in the face anyway. After everything she’s done to Meghan, it’s pretty clear Harry wants nothing to do with Kate ever again — that “space” certainly extends to her as well.
Oh no, she definitely tried it at least once….. there’s a video on Twitter of Kate about to walk to their seats with the kids, but then William stops her in the aisle in order to let the Sussexes get in to their seats first. Meghan walks past first and Kate doesn’t look at her, but then she stares very intently at Harry as he walks past, to the point where it’s obvious that she is trying to catch his eye. Harry in turn doesn’t reciprocate and completely ignores her, not looking at her at all.
Kate looks desperate for Harry to look at her when he passes by her. It says something that Harry can tolerate William in public events even talking to him but he cannot even look or speak to Kate.
https://twitter.com/MeghanMood/status/1572037738760929280?t=LlYuPU5I2QskZtVJC1XNUw&s=19
@Quinn this is something I keep coming back to. Harry can tolerate William in public, he completely blanks Kate. Is it a reciprocal thing – i.e. bc Kate completely ignores Meghan, and Harry sees that, he ignores her accordingly? Does he just feel that he “has” to be civil to William in public bc the cameras are on them and he knows people are tracking their interactions, but feels there is less scrutiny for his interactions with Kate?
Or did Kate do something behind the scenes that makes Harry want nothing to do with her?
I think it’s obvious Kate tends to be inappropriate towards Harry. If it’s true that she was interfering with his relationships or bursting into his room unannounced and her mother tried to set him up with Pippa then I think Harry keeps any interaction with her to a minimum. Harry and William grew up doing public engagements and I think they can be civil and polite to each other in public. We saw it at the statue unveiling.
I believe Kate played a bigger role in the abuse of Meghan to the point that she wanted to end her life. I believe Kate making Meghan cry and having her media friend Tominey spin the opposite story which ramped up the abuse towards Meghan from the media and public ended any kindness Harry would show her in public. If Harry and William’s relationship is space then it’s even more distant with Kate.
Kate looks like she’s burning a hole in the back of Meghan’s head and Meghan just floats by her all graceful and restrained. She then stares at Harry as if she’s saying “Acknowledge me, I’m the f*cking Princess of Wales!” and he too just walks by without as much as a glance. It’s a wonderful moment.
Saw a video on twitter.
Before william shooing waity to the side.
Harry were giving hand signal to william to handle his wife away.
Wish i have the link to show it here.
I always knew that Harry and Meghan are far better humans than me because there is no way on gods green earth that I would have stayed apart from my children for so long honor and bury a woman who couldn’t utter one word publicly in me and my children defense . And please don’t even bother telling me that Harry and Meghan had a good relationship with her behind closed doors. That’s them. I am telling you what I won’t have done.
Second that family of racist devil spawns, won’t get any grace , or goodwill from me. They don’t deserve it.
I saw some folks giving Will credit for making KKKate wait while Megs and Harry went ahead in the seating during the proceedings. I was NOPE. He gets no credit for wrangling in his rabid wife. I am so glad they get to leave that wretched island today. I hope that they don’t return for that coronation cause screw Charles.
It was probably some planned seating arrangement and nothing to do with PW. My favorite was PW getting in the car with the children and leaving Kate on her own contrasted with PH letting Meghan in the car first.
A pretty low bar when social norms are highlighted to indicate character.
Unlike kHate William knows how to behave in public – the Middletons keep showing the crass asses in public. Ma was just as crass as her daughter at the funeral with their gaudy attention seeking outfits.
“William knows how to behave in public” Yeah that’s why he ignored Meghan at Christmas in 2018
Does he really? I think he just had a decent moment here. I also think that he and KKKate don’t live together and he may be more relaxed and happier in general.
I know people love to make the scarf moment a thing, but I honestly don’t know. There are plenty of other equally brief interactions between William and Meghan that are a lot more neutral or even positive.
Regardless, DigitalUnicorn’s point still stands – William’s behavior wasn’t necessarily the sign of a great character or whatever, it just shows that he has the decorum to behave himself in public when he is at his grandmother’s funeral. Kate did not.
There’s a wider view video of Harry motioning to William right before William stops Kate, so I don’t think even William gets credit for behaving well. It’s all Harry, once again. And besides, why was the Princess of Waity barging into the pew so fast anyway leaving the prime front seats to M&H?
@Harper that’s why that moment just strikes me as weird and like there must have been something else going on. Why would Kate be trying to get into the pew first? If she did that in a way that made sense, she would walk all the way down (to where Meghan ended up sitting). But of course she and William would be closest to the end as the heir and his wife. If she went into the pew first and sat down, then Meghan and Harry would have to cross over her to get to their seats and that would have been awkward.
Like what was she thinking? Its just such a weird interaction.
IMO this is just another “balcony” to Wails. She always made sure she was close to the Queen. Well, if she had gone before H&M, she would have been the one in all of the photos with the King. Zowee, I bet she was STEAMING that Fails made her wait. I have a feeling the King wanted the Sussexes shine and made sure they were behind him.
This had to occur at the service of committal because it was at the funeral at WA that the Wails sat with their children in the same row as Charles with the Sussexes behind him in the second row, guaranteeing the money shots. The Wails and Sussexes were sitting side by side opposite Charles at St George Chapel. That was such an odd occurrence. Could Kate have wanted Harry and Meghan to climb over her? Maybe she just wasn’t thinking straight at that point.
Did you guys miss k8, attempting to follow and sit next to harry, but willy blocked it, and directed Charlotte to follow harry.. k8 thirst when it comes to harry is pathetic. My goodness they were at a funeral.
If they had brought the kids over, you know that someone in that dreadful family would have leaked it.
As far as returning to England, I just don’t see it. Maybe ever. Certainly not for any official state event. Given the way they were treated, not just by the press, but by his own family, Harry will not be willing to grant them another opportunity.
They can support their charities with appearances by video call.
They’re going back to England. Fans need to accept this so we don’t have a rehash of this argument about should they/shouldn’t they every time they go back. Do I think they’re going to Trooping? No. Do I think harry is going to attend WellChild next year? Yes.
I hope they’re on their way home now! There’s nothing like entering your front door and coming home after a tense dinner/time away with family… never mind the world’s most toxic, public family in front of hundreds of cameras and billions watching. Phew.
On another note, do we know who takes care of Frogmore Cottage while they’re gone? From The Cut, the reporter said it was “mostly untouched” and it felt like Meghan had walked back into a time capsule so I imagine it’s sitting empty and collecting dust? But surely someone comes in to mow the lawn/water the grass, turn on a dehumidifier so mold isn’t growing, etc… Or have Jack & Eugenie been living there? Sad to think of it as completely empty…
I’m sure there is a caretaker, but if you thought that house was empty before, it sure as hell gonna be now, because that family won’t be coming back. My guess is that they packed up everything that belonged to them and shipped it back to California. when the announcement is made next year that Harry didn’t renew the lease, then it will be clear to everyone that they will not return. Not for the PoW investiture, not for Charles’ coronation, nada. They can do their charity appearances by video link.
They came and did their final duty to Harry’s grandmother. And if this past week proved anything, it shows how petty, small, bitter and basically irrelevant the rest of them are.
susan, I think they’ll be back for their charities and (Spencer) family, Eugenie (maybe Bea?), and friends. They are not required to see anyone they don’t choose to.
I’m still debating whether they’ll go to charles’s coronation but for the most part I think this was their last royal event and thank goodness. I think they’re done.
I literally hate hate hate that body language guy and rest of his vile gang for doing everything in their power to besmirch the fair reputation of HRH Meghan and her Prince Harry.
That’s been going on for years and it hasn’t worked. Whoever is funding that hate campaign should start questioning their ROI.
That racist body language guy needs to go down. I’m looking forward to that happening in the up coming year. Awful human.
That guy is literally trash. I dont know how YouTube still allows disinformation like him and so many others.
All of this nastiness from so many corners on that island has just sealed the deal for me as to where I want to visit when I go abroad again. I was last in England when I was in college, and now I honestly have no desire to ever go again. I can find history (and better food) elsewhere.
I went to Ireland about ten years ago. I’d love to go back there. The Irish are friendlier than the English. I felt welcome there. Maybe they were faking it, but I’ll take it. And most of them aren’t Royalists, at least. I’d also love to go to Iceland.
Funnily enough, I’ve been doing some ancestral research and I just found the biggest trove of information yet on an English ancestor. He left Yorkshire for Massachusetts in the mid 17th century, apparently because the English weren’t uptight enough about religion for him, lol (Puritans!). One of his grandsons (my ancestor) might’ve gotten crossways with the Church, though, because he went to the more tolerant New Jersey and that was the end of the Puritan side of my family.
The USA has a lot of problems, I know. But I am so glad the English branch of my family got out.
I am British and I can tell you definitely the Irish are much friendlier than the English, a well known fact.
They were not faking it I can assure you.
Very interesting I love researching family history, any links to slavery?
Yes, unfortunately. My parents are both from North Carolina and their families had been there for many generations before everyone except my mother’s brother left.
It is true that most Southerners didn’t own slaves, especially those in the “Upland” South like my family. The only one of my grandparents who had any large plantation owners in her family was my mother’s mother. The others had small farms or were in trade. Which is not to say most of them didn’t fight for the South in the Civil War. They did. There were a few who fought for the Union but most fought for the South.
To be fair, if you didn’t fight the Home Guard might very well shoot you and burn your crops to starve out your family. I don’t know if you’ve read or seen “Cold Mountain,” but that was how it was. In fact it take place in the NC mountains I believe, which is not far from where all of my ancestors lived.
I’m not making excuses, just saying how it was. But my family did fight in the American Revolution, and for that I’m proud. No offense, I’m just glad we got our independence!
Thank you for sharing.
The silver lining in the whole experience is that the Sussexes get to pay proper homage to their grandmother.
I am happy that the Duchess of Sussex did not suppress her emotions in the moment, they will both need to get immediate therapy to decompress.
It is extremely difficult to have to deal in an healthy manner to microagression. It has been a trying time for them, some therapy to sort out themselves from the nightmare is an absolute necessity.
The limitations of inherited power, wealth and status were on display for the last 10 days.
Society will have to grapple with group cohesion by rethinking our relationship with accepted human standards in relation to wealth, status and power.
It will help address the ready acceptance of materialism for decency.
One cannot inherit nor purchase decency.
The continued existence of the species depends on the ability of the human condition is based on reality, unadulterated facts.
It was disgusting how disdainful mediocrity used every tool available via materialism, (inheritance) to demand that the world it inhabits be devoid of excellence.
It is demanding that excellence can only exist, to serve its selfish needs, and above all, mediocrity is willing to do whatever it takes to prevail, even if it means being walking around “buck naked”.
Who would be the brave boy to call it out??
Some one needs to metaphorically speak, even if it fall on deaf ears to the heirs ” Where are your clothes?”
A lot of eyes have been opened about how Meghan and Harry are treated by the RF and the BM. They are drawing sympathy from people with blue checks on Twitter who never paid attention before. A lot of people are genuinely shocked. H&M met their obligations with dignity and grace. Wishing them a safe journey and a happy return to the life and family they are building together.
Wishing the new king and the wretches around him many sleepless nights and days filled with regret.
Best part of this was that the British royal family and the tabs were exposed in the world stage for their amoral behaviour (treating Harry worse than Andrew), and how Meghan gets blamed for everything from having her arms exposed, for crying, for holding hands etc.
Meghan gets blamed for being too beautiful.
After articles about how H & M’s lawn grows a whole continent away, I’m no longer surprised about anything the BM would study, focus on, or write about the Sussexes anymore. His way of breathing?! Yeah, sure. It’s not like everyone alive does it.
I must say though, at first I didn’t recognize the woman under the hat seated near Harry. And then I saw her “vulva necklace”* surrounded by 4 (count them) 4 strands of pearls, and I knew: Kate. By golly, she was right. It worked. The funeral bling worked to focus attention on the listless.
* (quoting some other poster on necklace description).
I don’t think they brought the kids over just because William and Kate are a stone’s throw away in Windsor now and they would have leaked that the kids were there. I feel bad for Meghan and Harry that their respite in Windsor now is gone for good because it’s so easy for William and Kate to see everything they do when they’re there and they leak like a sieve. Copy-Kate just can’t help herself and even had to copy where Meghan lives. I feel like Harry and Meghan will be giving up Frogmore soon because what’s the point if their privacy is gone? The only reason it was kept secret until they left the last time the kids were in England was because William and Kate didn’t know.
Maybe H&M will buy/lease a place in London to have as a home base for their infrequent visits? There is not much point in them going to Windsor anymore now that the Queen has died. If Kate and William are at Windsor now, that means they won’t be in London much.
But London triggers harry. He doesn’t like London.
“ Although the Duchess of Sussex did not join him in Scotland…”
Wow. Way to rewrite history. These people are completely deranged.
I noticed this too!! Whew
Honestly, I wish they would tell daddy that they want to give up the Sussex titles and the Frogmore property and titles for the children and just walk away from all of it. Just be Prince Harry and Meghan and carry on with their good works. Enjoy their new life and their children and friends. Skip the coronation and never subject themselves to the icy gazes from their supposed loving family ever again.
Sure they could do that but the titles do seem to be one of the sticking points for them. FYI, the titles are not tied into IPP status which confers worldwide security. IPP status is conferred when a person is traveling/acting in an official representative capacity of another country. Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie do not get IPP status and security outside of when they are at royal events as they aren’t working royals. Giving Archie the prince and princess titles won’t automatically translate to getting security in the UK (or other places). I think that’s important to understand because there seems to be a lot of confusion on that. I do understand if they just want the titles based on other principles or notions of equity however.
Siobhan, I believe what Meghan stated in the Oprah interview was that she was told that without an HRH Archie would not get security. Harry will always be a Prince and he and his family will always have death threats against them. That’s why Harry is pressing forward with the judicial review of why he was denied security.
I believe the titles are much more to do with who Harry is and how he was raised. He wants his children to have their birthrights. Neither he nor Meghan want their children to be othered because of their race.
Not understanding what giving up titles and property that was a wedding gift from the queen would accomplish. As you say, they are doing their good works and enjoying their lives, children and friends. The British tabloids would continue smearing them no matter what they do. Hate columns are probably the biggest moneymakers.
I just wonder if it wouldn’t shut down some of the sniping about using their titles to make money and labeling their travel as “faux royal tours”. Especially since we know that the real benefit to the titles and HRHs is the security that they are denied regardless. The Sussex titles seem less like a gift and more like a stick for the British media to use against them.
Roisin, they would just use some other stick to beat them up with–they’re not going to stop. H&M should do what they wish and if they want to keep the titles then they should. I don’t think they’ll be making decisions based on what the bm want them to do.
Roisin, remember how the BM et al used the renovations at Frogmore as a stick to beat H&M until they repaid the cost, then promptly moved on to the titles as the next stick? I do.
As @Lizzie and @Saucy&Sassy said, if it wasn’t the titles, the BM et. al. would find something else to go on about relenetlessly.
There is no legal mechanism that exists for Harry to give up his peerage. All he can do is stop using the title of the Duke of Sussex, but that would not mean he has given it up, because there is no way for him, or anyone with a peerage for that matter, to just give it up like that.
The same goes for royal titles, such as Prince Harry, and for his position in the line of succession. There is no legal mechanism for Harry to willingly relinquish any of these on his own. All he can do is choose to not use the title of Prince Harry, but that would not stop him, legally, from being a prince, and it would do nothing to change the fact that he is now fifth in line to the throne.
At any rate, I do not understand how gung-ho people are in thinking Harry should cut off his entire family and the life he has been raised in for so long. That sh-t isn’t easy, nor is it a solution for everyone. I imagine both Harry and Meghan want to leave the door open for reconciliation, and that is their decision.
The silver lining in all of this is that H&M were already in the UK when the Queen passed and didn’t have to do a mad dash from California to get there. Yes, there were shenanigans and antics that came later and we all know Harry was still in the air when they announced her death. I wonder if Harry had planned on seeing her that week and was crushed he didn’t get to spend one last time with her. They’ve done their duty to mourn and appear in solidarity with the family during this excruciating time, they shouldn’t have to worry about any obligations towards the BRF ever again until Charles dies.
Come on HOME, Y’all!!! We actually LOVE having you here in this country. Cut the apron strings to that rabid pack of inbred grifters and find out that really…they need YOU so much more than you need them. #GoodKingHarry #AmericanPrince
I thought that Doria was seen in LA, not Montecito? I’m not sure why everyone always assume that Doria acts as their nanny and is staying with the kids when they don’t – doesn’t Doria have her own job? My guess would be that the kids stayed with their nanny/nannies who probably lives with them anyway and they are very used to having around and doing their routines with them.
Does anyone know if the Sussexes attended the reception for guests after the funeral service at Windsor?
Hope they are flying safely home today and leaving the wretched island. With Charles absconding to Scotland and probably refusing to talk to Harry anyway, what’s left for them to do? They can’t do any charity work because Charles has decided to give himself an extra week of mourning to organize himself. They must miss their children terribly. And I think they must need to have time to recover from the trauma of being there. Hope they do what they need to in order to restore themselves to good mental health.
I think the Queen valued family very much and did a lot to keep her family and the extended family together. Her niece has spoken very lovingly about her aunt’s commitment to family. Whether or not she did a good job with her own children is obviously something we can debate, but except for Charles, I think all of her children seem to be taking good care of her grandchildren. She seems to have loved all the grandkids, but perhaps didn’t interfere in their upbringing. Also, I’ve always had the impression that the Queen is not a pro-active, but rather very much a re-active person, and seemed stick her head in the sand often. Charles is her son, and i assume she left him to deal with his children and to protect them, as she did hers. She obviously made them all financially secure, and it would be up to them to look after their own children. Poor Harry just got stuck with a bad father whose own vanity, pettiness and selfishness is put above his duty to his children. If you look at the pen episode with Camilla, he isn’t at all thoughtful towards his wife either- handing her a leaky pen, not bothering to let her use his handkerchief, stomping off to leave her to deal with it.
I can’t even begin to imagine the sort of therapy that Harry and Meghan are going to have to do and the emotional toll this is taking on them. Getting back home to hug their beautiful babies is going to be 50 percent of the recovery.I pray for their safe return to their beautiful children, Doria and friends who really are more like family that truly loves them for them.
I am so glad this is almost over for them (or is it over now? I hope so). I’m being selfish because I just want it over in general.
My husband had the BBC on yesterday for some reason and some woman was making excuses for Charles’ mishap with the pen. She was like “Oh, he’d been up for many hours at that point.” She suggested it “humanized” him. While I do think Charles could benefit from some humanizing, spare me. Aren’t they supposed to be divinely appointed? If you can’t be gracious and composed in the face of a leaky pen, you aren’t cut out for this job.
They must be emotionally exhausted. Just wrung out. Thank goodness they have each other and their friends.
The children were never brought to the UK. I am friends with one of Meghan’s friends and was told that they styed in Montecito. I can only imagine how anxious Meghan and Harry are to get home.
And I’m friends with one of Guy’s friends and according to him they were. Please don’t spread nonsense
How rude. It’s extremely unlikely that they had the kids brought over as they wouldn’t have had time to be with them much anyway. And traveling by plane for young kids isn’t easy at all. I read they were face timing with them instead.
Stop these lies, ma’am. No friend of the Sussexes is going to tell some rando the whereabouts of their children. This is creepy.
Yes, please come home. We love you and know you survived an ice storm and fire pit of sheer hell in Salt Island. And you were magnificent, absolutely magnificent!!!!
I think the only event Harry will attend maybe Meghan will be Charles funeral and maybe later William’s funeral if Harry outlives Wills, I just do not see Harry attending any coronation for Charles or William, I also don’t see Harry attending any future Royal events in the UK other than the king and future king’s funerals, I think Harry will rent a property in the UK for his charity visits and hand back Frogmore to the royals
I’ve avoided reading articles about Harry and Meghan’s appearance at his grandmother’s funeral. I need not mention her name because, according to British media, this entire production was about Harry and Meghan, not the Queen.
Many on social media say they should board a plane to California immediately following the funeral. Seriously? After all the walking, standing, and eye daggers, they needed a hot shower and a clean bed.
Despite the horror, I see the blessing for them if anyone in the universe watched the televised royal fiasco and continues to believe that Harry and Meghan are the problems in that firm, too bad.
I believe the London Bridge plan worked well, but the King’s extra perks became the focal point. Travel and uniform restrictions and invitation errors say strategic planning and revisions are not their expertise.
Harry and Meghan survived life in the lion’s den, and I pray they will soon unite with their family and friends.
@SmH How rude of you. My friend has actually been staying with the children in Montecito since last week , at Meghan’s request. They were also guests at Lili’s BDay party during the Jubilee.Perhaps you should check your own spam.
Valerie, we have recently run into a lot of KHate fans on this site. I suspect we are all skeptical when there are posts like this. Unfortunately, comments and responses could end up as a rr story (we know some of them read the posts here), but with quite a negative spin to it.
I just found this whole saga both depressing and stressful. Hope they’re home before the weekend. Much love and healing to them. As for the others, will be nice if the world blanks them for a while.
I just want to say, well done to the two of them for sticking the whole thing out, and sticking it out so well.
It could not have been easy. And yet, I do think the two of them wanted to be there every step of the way, out of deference to the Queen, but also to the institution itself that she represented, as well as to the country to which she was head of state.
People who are a lot less mature and held together than Meghan and Harry would not have been able to deal with the whole thing. It says a lot about them that they did put their feelings aside, and showed up for all of this. They showed up for a country that has been primed to dislike them thanks to a press that’s behaved viciously and hostilely towards them. They paid their respects to the whole rigamarole with decorum and grace, when they really did not have to do that.
It is hard. This stuff is incredibly hard, even more so with the eyes of the whole world watching them. I think Harry and Meghan were able to tune out the behaviour of the royal family for the most part. The difficulty is in managing one’s own emotions regarding all of this, especially in an environment they are not really comfortable in. But they did it.
Will there ever be a day when the British people understand that Meghan and Harry did not have to do any of this, and yet they did? That they were not obligated to do this, but they did. And for that, they continue to be disrespected, maligned, and treated so awfully poorly by a country that continues to be hoodwinked by its press. It’s depressing, really. I want to hope there is a day when people will be able to look back and realize how awful all of this was, but I don’t want to be too optimistic too.
Anyway. Thank you, Meghan and Harry, for showing up. For sticking around. For doing what you were asked to do. For doing this for a monarchy that has only disrespected you in return. This is what it means to put duty and service above all else. I hope some day people realize how much you’ve done and given, and so selflessly as well.
Very well said A. I think this past week has been draining for all of us who love the Sussexes, and have been really worried about their well-being. At the same time, really admire how they have held up and stayed above the fray when all the knives were aimed at them. Much respect to them, particularly Meghan.
They did their part honoring the Queen with grace and modesty-noone could have done it any better under these circumstances-as soon as they get back to Cali-kick back and take a deep breath and enjoy your children with every ounce of your being.