It should be said again and again: King Charles III and the whole palace operation proved to be utterly incompetent and tone-deaf in the days following Queen Elizabeth II’s death. The immediate focus was not on QEII, but on the Duke and Duchess of Sussex. Charles and Prince William were really feeling themselves as they launched a full assault on Harry and Meghan for daring to want to travel together to Balmoral. A source close to the new king said: “Charles told Harry that it wasn’t right or appropriate for Meghan to be in Balmoral at such a deeply sad time. It was pointed out to him that Kate was not going and that the numbers really should be limited to the very closest family. Charles made it very, very clear Meghan would not be welcome.” Not right or appropriate for Harry to travel with his wife and mother of his two children. Meghan “would not be welcome” because, as other palace insiders insisted, it was “wholly inappropriate” and Balmoral was for “family” only. And Meghan isn’t “family” to them.
That set the tone for everything that followed, with Charles and William’s aides once again briefing the media about all things Sussex, with all of the messiness about who was allowed to wear military uniforms and who wasn’t. The fact that Charles and his staff want everyone to know that they’re snubbing two little kids by publicly refusing to acknowledge their royal titles. The fact that Charles invited and then uninvited the Sussexes to a diplomatic mixer. And it just keeps going, because now King Charles’s aides are briefing the media that the king thinks there’s a “thaw” in relations.
Hopes of a thaw in the ‘cold war’ between The Firm and the Sussexes emerged last night after royal insiders revealed that King Charles saw ‘tremendous flickers of hope’ when he spoke to Prince Harry and Meghan Markle at the Queen’s funeral – and even believes he might even be able to salvage the relationship with the duke and duchess.
The King’s conversations with his son and daughter-in-law at the ceremonies for the late monarch at Westminster Abbey and Windsor Castle left him feeling hopeful that he could mend relations with the Sussex after their acrimonious departure from the royal family.
An insider told The Telegraph: ‘It remains the case that the King loves both of his children. Over the last 16 days or so, there were tremendous flickers of hope. In terms of the future, there is hope of a cause for unity.’
Among the many challenges facing the King in his reign, including modernising Britain’s ancient monarchy, will be how to deal with the duke and duchess, who plunged The Firm into crisis after quitting public duties for a life free from royal obligations in California – from where they have made a string of damaging allegations against the institution.
This is how Charles thinks he needs to rewrite the narrative which he set himself in the first ten days as king. Instead of actually focusing on his kingship, he played petty games and now he’s reaping all of the petty prizes. If anything, what the mourning period and funeral showed the Sussexes was that they were right to go, right to stay away and right to start the process of cutting ties from these awful people. As I’ve said before, the only “win” here for all parties is to stop the bleeding, which would mean William and Charles making a commitment to stop scapegoating and briefing against the Sussexes entirely. Which isn’t going to happen.
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- LONDON, ENGLAND – SEPTEMBER 14: Prince William, Prince of Wales, Sir Timothy Laurence, Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex, King Charles III, Mr Peter Phillips, Anne, Princess Royal walk behind the coffin during the procession for the Lying-in State of Queen Elizabeth II on September 14, 2022 in London, England. Queen Elizabeth II’s coffin is taken in procession on a Gun Carriage of The King’s Troop Royal Horse Artillery from Buckingham Palace to Westminster Hall where she will lay in state until the early morning of her funeral. Queen Elizabeth II died at Balmoral Castle in Scotland on September 8, 2022, and is succeeded by her eldest son, King Charles III.,Image: 722674714, License: Rights-managed, Restrictions: , Model Release: no, Credit line: Jeff J Mitchell / Avalon
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And he’s using the grandbabies’ titles as leverage, not realizing he’s damned if he undoes their birthright, so he’s got no leverage at all. It’s impossible to negotiate with utterly willfully stupid people. Impossible.
Meghan/Harry are smart. They see the trainwreck coming.
Not sure how Charles thought there were flickers of hope for a coming together when he kept driving 10 inch nails through their hearts at QE2’s 10-day longarse funeral.
He doesn’t think there are flickers of hope, he’s just positioning himself as the long suffering father hoping for the return of the prodigal son.
If he did have any hope for Harry to return (he doesn’t want him to return, much less hope he does), but playing along, if Harry did, it would have to be alone, and the royal family would always made sly petty digs at him if he did. They don’t respect him, never have, and they definitely don’t respect her.
This is a “family” that were raised to be sociopathic in their dealings with each other. Royalty has always been like that, but we can lay this particular families dysfunction at the feet of Lizzy. She encouraged and allowed this.
It doesn’t matter to King Tampon if Harry stays or goes. Harry serves the same purpose whether he’s there or not and that purpose is to be the doormat that Charles and William walk across. Being in California he can be portrayed as the worthless son so the royal rota can put Charles in the long-suffering father role, a role that he clearly is not.
It always amuses me when there are stories about how he is devastated he can’t see his grandchildren. he doesn’t care about his grandchildren, he doesn’t even care about his own children!
I find it hard to believe he cares that much about his Royal Rottweiler either.
Charles cares about Charles. That’s it.
Charles’s definition of “unity” is “you will come back and do everything I say, and be dependent on me for everything because I am king and I am more important.”
That won’t happen. The Sussexes, despite the vainest hopes from the Windsors, have forged a successful path for themselves, successful so far in all ways, fulfilling, financially stable and happy. Though Harry said he was willing to work on his relationship with his father, Charles sees only one way, and its not a good way. The scapegoating won’t stop. The more distance that the Sussexes put between themselves and the Windsors (both physical and emotional), the more desperate they will become, because they need that scape goat. They need that portion of their family willing to be beaten down to show how much better their “superiors” are.
As a parent, I can understand wanting to bring the family back together.
Charles needs to do a ton of work on his part, IMO.
Please….Charles has one concern……Charles
Charles thinks being a loving parent and extending the olive branch is having his press office issue a statement “letting” Harry wear his uniform for the vigil.
Harry will never get the love and loyalty from his father that he deserves. Especially now that Charles is king. Expect to have to make an appointment with the courtiers to speak to him, and he may or may not even attend.
he had a tremendous chance to stop it from happening in the first place and had a tremendous chance to set the tone during QEII funeral but what did he do? yep, exactly the opposite
so meh
If Charles had flickers of hope, that’s because he mistook Harry acting civilly in honor of his grandmother for capitulation to Charles’ rule. He viewed Harry not causing a fuss as winning him back. But Harry was just being decent for his Gan Gan.
And if Charles really wanted unity, he’d have waited for Harry and had dinner with both his sons. Charles wanted the appearance if unity, not real reconciliation.
You took the words right out of my mouth. Harry and Meghan simply wanted to get through the mourning period with as little drama as possible.
May I mention that given what Low stated with Charles foolishly listening to anyone that gets his ear is the one spinning this?? Hell, I wouldn’t be surprised if Cam was behind this as well. She would want Charles’s reign to be successful as well as offer unity. What better way than for his sudden declaration??
I know that this article is most likely utter bullshit coming from Charles’s camp, but he isn’t looking too good right now in his short reign, now is he.
I know this has absolutely nothing to do with this post but I am really worried about Harry and especially Meghan. The last couple of weeks were unbearably hard for me to watch and listen to and I can’t imagine what it’s done to her knowing what a dark place she was in when she was living in the uk. I am saying all this because her podcast doesn’t seem to be coming out today so I am thinking she is really going through it right now and trying to take the days one at a time, praying for them both.
Now I shall go read your post . Sorry for putting this here but I don’t know where else to post it.
I’m hoping she has some type of USA public appearance so we can see for ourselves that she’s ok. The UK was so toxic that I had to turn things off for my sanity. I can’t imagine how Meghan was able to endure the toxicity. Not to mention she had to go a few weeks without seeing her children.
She was supposed to attend the Variety women of power event that takes place tomorrow. She’s cancelled after the Queen died. I don’t think we will see her for awhile.
@ Amy Bee, oh how I wish that they could attend as she certainly could use some wonderful accolades, applause and standing ovations.
I wish we could ALL record a standing ovation for them!!!
I’m worried about them too, it was painful to watch, maybe the silence is them recovering
Someone on another thread said that Archetypes is back October 4.
I so agree, my God the fresh hell they went through just to bury his grandmother. When I say I hate that isle of salt, i mean it. When will the people stand up against their foul press and that vile institution of inbreds?
Charles is the real sociopath not Meghan. I hope Harry and Meghan are doing OK and are talking to their therapists. Last week must have been hell for them and I wouldn’t be surprised if they both had some setbacks from having to go through that smearing and abuse from the Royal Family and the press.
This….the treatment they received was difficult to watch. Pretty sure that it was awful to experience.
I hope that they are both ok.
I know people here won’t agree with me but they need to formally cut ties with the BRF now that the queen has died.
Islandgirl what would that look like, formally cutting ties?
Charles has never taken responsibility for anything in his life. Even when mocked and ridiculed in the media he has still gotten what he wanted, to be the king and the power that comes with it. He has raised Will like this and it shows. A petulant, lazy, racist brat with a horrible wife.
He is jealous of Harry and Meghan’s popularity and it shows in his abuse and attempt at belittling them. Charles is Trash. Trash. Trash.
Yep. Yep. Yep.
I think part of the problem is that at this point, William and Charles have created a beast that they can’t control. Even if they do stop all (or even most) of the anti-Sussex leaks and briefings, the RRs at this point will just make up their own stories about the Sussexes or continue to give ever royal story an anti-Sussex spin. They’ve let the press run wild on H&M for years and the press makes too much money off the hate, so why would they stop?
The only thing the royals can use as leverage at this point is access, and they have to use the rota, and they can’t cut off all access because they don’t want the RRS to actively turn on them. So even if the briefing did stop, neither Charles nor William is going to actually say to the DM “hey shut the eff up about Harry and Meghan, they’re doing nothing wrong and this is gross.”
All that to say….even if there were “tremendous flickers of hope,” if I were Charles, I wouldn’t read anything into H&M being civil at the funeral. They went back to CA so fast for a reason.
That’s it. I think Charles has mistaken Harry and Meghan’s civility for flickers of reconciliation. It means that Harry and Meghan said nothing to Charles about him smearing them in the press after the Queen died.
Charles and W might start with a series of full-page apologies in the press if they feel they have to continue with the RR. They could start with Doria
Clearly Meghan wasn’t allowed to go because it would have shown KKKate in a poor light, no other reason at all.
I think the same thing, @Lizzie. I believe that M attending would have drawn attention to W&K’s relationship and invited speculation about the real reason K wasn’t there.
1 💯 believe that. Meghan was told not to come because Kate wasn’t going. That would not be a good look if Meghan showed up but not Kate. They probably forgot all about Sophie and didn’t even realize she was there.
And I also believe they don’t consider Kate family. She’s Williams wife, mother of the future king and a useful idiot, but not “family” because she’s a commoner, and they’re very classist.
Of course, H&M are going to behave decently at a funeral. Did KC feel a “flicker of hope” when his consort put out a story that she sneered at PH when he allegedly suggested a mediator. Or was it when he was thinking up all the petty ways he could snub or punish them?
“Tremendous… flickers”
This is the land of Shakespeare, right?
As if any of those incandescent royals , their staff, or the ROTA are even that literate.
Not to nitpick but how do you feel “tremendous flickers”?
Aren’t flickers, by definition, faint and easily extinguished?
He felt an enormous amount of something faint?
I don’t want to hear it about the Queen’s English and american word salads after this.
Exactly, @Lurker25!
It’s like saying, “I feel substantial and overbearing wisps of disgust whenever I read about KC and his pathetic behavior.”
I sat with those two words for a few seconds too and concluded that one of these things is not like the other.
The Sussexes weren’t plunging the Firm into a crisis, it was Chuck & Bill. Those two lunatics have been creating crisis after crisis with their erratic behavior. The King can’t even figure out if he likes or hates the Sussexes, it probably changes day to day.
Bollox, total BS. Shameless bullsh*t. Absolutely shameless.
Maybe it was indigestion.
“Maybe it was indigestion.”
Yep… that’s the one..had to be!
If you see flickers of hope , why do all of this? These people are so stupid , I’m embarrassed for them. They spend an awful lot of time talking /worrying about two people who supposedly “don’t matter”. Harry and Megan are playing a nice long game . Move in silence, say nothing and these fools will cut their own throats.
@Over It, I’m adding my prayers to yours and also feeling that Meghan and Harry will be doing what’s needed to ensure their well-being. Taking things a day at a time, resting, reflecting, being gentle with themselves, replenishing their energy, and more, I hope…..whatever works best for them. I wonder whether just for this week, the podcast might be released a day or so later.
I’ve deliberately not been here much over the last couple of weeks, still taking in all that’s happened. It has not been easy watching and listening to how Meghan and Harry have been treated at times. Not at all.
The briefings have been chaotic. On the one hand, you have people going to The Daily Beast saying that Charles will freeze them out and is using Edward & Wallis as the model. Then you have articles like this which want peace, but also acknowledge the power Harry & Meghan hold from their American perch. Unlike Edward & Wallis, they aren’t dependent on the British gov for a pension.
My MIL once chastised my husband for telling me something that was going on with his sisters. Said shouldn’t have been shared outside the family. K. Gotcha. Check. If I’m Meghan – that ship has sailed, landed halfway around the globe, and sunk.
NVM that it was done so Kate didn’t look bad. They couldn’t have found a better way to clean that up but to deprive Harry of having his wife with him, and utterly and so publicly excluding her from the family? FFS.
@Molly exactly. And then to imply that Meghan should have KNOWN not to come, once again making her ill treatment her own fault. These people are disgusting. All to save Katie Doolittle from looking like she’s unwanted by her husband.
Maybe just flick off Chuck.
It would cost Charles nothing to let the Sussex babies keep their titles or at least let them decide for themselves when they’re 18 like Edward’s children.
The fact that he’s refusing tells me all I need to know about him.
I’m glad the Sussexes are home, away from that toxicity. I hope they are recovering with their children. This is a new beginning for them. Their main tether to the royal family, the Queen, is gone. The greatest leverage of the rota is gone. They need not show up in the UK for a long time to come, and when they do, it will be on their own terms. They need not share any information about their plans with the royals or the ratchets. There is nothing the ratchets or the royals can hold over their heads. Charles will do what he does regarding the children’s titles, and Harry and Meghan will show the same serenity that they showed with the funeral and Harry’s uniform.
I don’t think the royals or the ratchets realize that they have zero hold on the Sussexes now. The Sussexes don’t need the royals’ money. The kids don’t need the titles. The only currency of the royals is proximity, as I’ve said many times. Their “presence” was sought after, and the fact that they could withdrawl their presence was a penalty. That’s why the royals still held the cards with the Duke and Duchess of Windsor. Edward and Wallace wanted the titles, needed the money, wanted the “in” to royal society. Harry and Meghan doesn’t want that, and aren’t seeking that.
I suspect there will be a lot of sputtering and shock when Charles “threatens” to take the babies titles and is met with silence. When he threatens to take Frogmore Cottage, or threatens to take away security, and is met with silence. If he threatens to “disinherit” them, and is met with a shrug. The royals are completely lacking in imagination–they can’t fathom escaping the royal bubble because neither Chucks nor the Wails can function outside of it.
This This This!
Harry and Meghan have each other, their beautiful children, Doria, celebrity status, 238 bathrooms, sunny California, doggos and chickens and bunnies, a booming business, staff who protect them and keep their mouths shut, and found family who love and protect them.
The royal family has nothing to offer them. Even the titles for the children are irrelevant at this point in time. Harry and Meghan won’t let Charles use the titles to manipulate them.
So, good luck, Chuck. You f*cked around, now you’re going to find out.
Last night I watched the documentary “Diana…in her own words”…
#1…I TRULY see why Harry locked it down…cause Meghan & Mama = same wonderful 💖 energy…
#2…Charles & Camilla were ABSOLUTELY disgusting regarding Diana…we already know that….and they are using the EXACT same tactics they used to isolate & abuse Diana…on Meghan (but worse due to racism) and they are STILL using those tactics regarding BOTH…
Harry sees that…his actions with his family ACKNOWLEDGES that horror..
So I call BS on this…
Btw…the end of that documentary had me…IN TEARS 😢
100% agree with this @Lala11
Charles has the makings of a petty small man. Camilla was not even hoping to end up with him rather she ended up marrying a man who cheated on her and so when Charles paid her attention she happily lapped it up and saw his rejection of the beautiful young Diana as her validation.
The iron is that they crave the charisma and popularity that Diana, Meghan and Harry have, but they know they can never pull it off. I will never forget the image of Camilla trying to wear Diana’s revenge dress. It’s the same story with the Keen-Wails – Kate believes that she can appropriate Meghan’s star quality by dressing like her.
It’s one big stinking mess at this point and it’s only going to get messier from herein as Charles continues to show his sh!tty character and W&K continue to bore us shItless with their electric charisma.
Umm isn’t this the usual routine? The RR with the RF blessing, bash H&M to oblivion and the next week “leak” stories of a possible reconciliation. It’s to emotionally manipulate the British public to exhaust them on anything H&M so that whenever they think of H&M they don’t think of them in a good way but more “controversial” (i.e. see we do want to reconcile its just H&M being “difficult”). To the RR/UK Media credit, their “work” in the UK has paid off as the majority of the public are sick of hearing about H&M in any context b/c the British media purposely oversaturate any H&M content.
Charles and W were always going to side with the crown which works in their favour. They only have family around that not only obey the hierarchical structure but are obsequious to them. To them, the monarchy (i.e. the firm really) comes first then “family” but the “family” part comes with alot of strings. For Harry and really any family, when your family chooses the abuser or a job over you, it hurts and takes years to come to terms with. I do hope that Charles does strip Archie and Lily of their titles b/c then those kids will be truly free and H&M will not owe Charles or the RF a damn thing.
“… Prince Harry and Meghan Markle…”
I realize that this is not the point of this post, but it irks me that they continue to refer tho the Duke and Duchess this way. It is not how they would identify the Waleses. They also work very hard to remind everyone that Harry is no longer a valid Prince, so WTH?
They’ll do anything to continue to refer to Meghan as Meghan Markle instead of the Duchess of Sussex. It’s tiresome, petty, unprofessional and childish.
One thing is to read about the petty and abusive things the royal family have done towards Meghan and Harry, another is to watch it live these past 3 weeks.
I don’t know how Harry survived growing up in that institution and treated like a scapegoat all his life for his brother and father especially after his mother was killed. How he turned out to be a person with empathy and care for others, it’s remarkable to me.
I can’t get the image of Harry and Meghan in the car after the second funeral service looking just drained.
I hope they will be able to heal from their time there. Charles is a bad father who left his son, daugher-in-law and grandson to die when he pulled out Harry’s security without warning .
The British royal family have openly and proudly shown how toxic and abusive they are. They clearly rejoiced at taking shots at Harry and Meghan all 10 days. That is the image they chose to show when the world was looking and it’s not something they can undo. It’s a repulsive look into how they operate.
Charles can no longer pretend to care as a father or use his media to pretend to want to see his grandchildren.
It’s amazing to me, the glee they show over the chance to spurn two children. That’s not the slam dunk they think it is, is it?
Look at us! Ha ha, we really showed those babies they don’t matter, didn’t we!
wow.
They’ve had this problem for two generations. Official titles for the married ins are the Duchess of X or Princess Husband Name. That isn’t going to work for modern newsrooms, so they use their maiden names instead. Meghan could be Meghan Mountbatten-Windsor, but that reads clunkily.
It’s another one of those problems that should have been fixed in the 80s by some committee in charge of titles back in the 80s, but instead they’ve just coasted.
This is how systems become brittle and prone to failure.
Whatever love means?
One of the answers is “Love is as love does”
It is not one says, it is one’s actions would be the ultimate criterion.
All was glaringly obvious after the Queen died was a grab of power in order to belittle, to berate via tabloid media and humiliate the very much loved son and his unwelcomed wife.
Why the need to punish, to cloak themselves in “perceived ” victimhood instead of the reality- projection to exact punitive measures? Why?
King Charles should have the benefit of his period of grace that he is enjoying from the vicious hounds that he turned on his son and his wife.
It is only a matter of time when they turn on him, he will wish to have “Never explain, never complain” to fall back on.
In terms of conversations with the Sussexes, who knows?
They are disallowed to speak, but they are loved unconditionally even if they are continuously hounded by the king’s new best friends/interest – the media.
Those flickers weren’t hope. They were Morse code signals from the Sussexes: “Get us out of here ASAP, have the plane ready to go wheels-up!”
😂😂😂
IOW, the veteran community is still pissed at him, and the constant attacks on the Sussexes during TQ’s mourning period and the obvious games with the Sussex kids’ titles are starting to have real repercussions. People are eyeing KC as racist and questioning his suitability and lack of leadership as king. The BM is basically ordering him to get H&M back but the RF only wants H back- the workhorse with successful and now global projects.
Any “thawing” in relations with H&M are immediately torpedoed bc KC can’t get out of his own way. Two steps forward, ten steps back with a heaping dose of antagonism and insults thrown in. The simplest thing to do about the kids titles is to do nothing. Stop talking sh*t about H&M is another easy passive action to take. But KC is so petty and vindictive, he can’t help himself. His continuous mistreatment of them and bullying them by using those kids titles is inexcusable and overshadowing his reign. With all this talk of plunging the monarchy into crisis, one would think Harry was the future king and has abdicated (we know its actually future shadow king). KC’s lack of foresight and inability to course correct is astounding. If Harry was willing to quit being a working royal, why wouldn’t he completely cut himself and his family off from that branch? KC has made his feelings clear and no amount of backtracking can change that. SPACE – H&M going no contact is the next logical step. FAFO Chuck
So I get that Harry is a born prince and that can’t be taken away, lol I don’t think anyways, but honestly if it was up to Charles and William, I swear they’d like to forbid him from even being called a prince if they could.
I hope that one of these days the Sussexes will open up and tell the whole godawful truth about what Charles, William, Kate, Jason Knauf, Edward Young and the army of grey men, courtiers, and rota ratz did. The whole ugly story, no holes barred. The British monarchy is toxic and has been for many, many generations. They turned Meghan into a punching bag for their sick delight and I’m amazed that she and Harry have been so composed and dignified through all of it. I live for the day when they expose them for the monsters they really are.
I agree with the theory that Charles and William can no longer control any of the press.
The tabs, PR, RR, SM are all out to make money from any angle they can spin.
And, honestly, if C & W would Shut Up for several months, that might be good.
I’m burned out on all the “reporting” seems like every 3rd person in the UK has some book deal or is giving interviews.
Next up..the garbagemen for BP tell their stories. lol
“It remains the case that the King loves both of his children.”
Well, he has a really twisted, effed up way of showing it.
All Harry has to do is cut all ties with his father and brother. No sane person with any self-respect would continue to have a relationship with the same people who hate him and want to destroy his marriage.
I cannot help but to think of Meghan’s quote in her recent interview for The Cut this August: “Harry said to me, (that) ‘I lost my dad in this process.’ It doesn’t have to be the same for them as it was for me, but that’s his decision.”
Her words are almost prophetic since the rude, humiliating way in which Charles mistreated his grieving son Harry (and Meghan) during the entire mourning period of QEII’s funeral, for the whole world to see.
I wonder if Charles’ public shaming of Harry during the funeral will have the same estranging impact on Harry as Thomas Markle’s shaming of Meghan by leaking his daughter’s personal letter to the Daily Mail.
The only thing Harry has to say on the launch of his memoir is: “I’m more proud of the man that I have become, than the prince I was born to be!” (Meltdown on Salt Island!)
Do you think it was KCIII leaking against Harry & Meghan or do you think it was Willnot & Khate? I don’t quite know how to tell the difference. I mean it was endless and awful, but I can never tell where it comes from William, Camillia or Khate.
Eating Popcorn, I think the royal staff were quite busy–either at the wishes of their respective principals or just because. I think the bm did their own thing. What we know for sure is what we saw. Chuck, Cowmilla, Fails, Wails, Sophiesta and probably others behind the scenes made sure that the world knows just how much they hate the Sussexes. They purposefully made sure that globally their feelings were made known.
They can’t get beyond their “Empire” identity. They believed that if the world knew how they really felt that the world would agree. I honestly don’t think any of them are capable of understanding the great harm they’ve done to themselves. Wails showed the world what a bully she is. It was difficult watching Meghan appear so traumatized and in one instance afraid of Wails. Wails is undoubtedly pleased as punch that she was able to scare her. Great look there, Wails. Who’s the bully?
Harry & Meghan will continue to do what they do. The world will watch. We’ll all watch the Monarchy destroy itself from the inside out.
Over the past three weeks? IDK. My general rule of thumb is, who looks GOOD in this story, by Windsor standards? Like William thinks stories of him “putting Meghan in her place” or whatever make him look good, even if to outsiders its questionable at best. So my general rule of thumb is only so useful, LOL. Here, its hard to tell. This story about “tremendous flickers” is from BP I think, because as I’ve said a few times now, Charles cannot make up his mind which looks better – to be reconciling with the Sussexes or to be exiling them (it probably depends on his audience.)
I don’t know about the “harry can’t bring Meghan to balmoral” story. Its clear that someone leaked it (we knew that M was going and then not, but someone leaked the whole “Charles told Harry no” thing) but I don’t know who. It doesn’t really make Charles look good, but maybe he thinks that it does, and William is kind of a non-entity in it, but I can also see W leaking it to take the heat off the question of “why didn’t Kate go?” Kate didn’t go bc she knew her place and knew she didn’t “belong” there or kids first day or whatever. They can put that out there in contrast to Meghan “not knowing her place” like Kate does, and it removes focus from the idea that William did not want Kate there.
So basically the past three weeks have been a mess with the leaking and I can only assume most of it is coming from Charles but who knows really.
@ Becks1, I think that it is safe to assume that in regards to wives, PoWalings will spill for all to see, as I am certain that KHate, the vile and evil bitch, threw a masterful hissy fit. KHate must be included all matters royal. So I can see TOB blasting the news that Meghan was declined an invitation.
But this nonsense today?? This is Charles being seen as the awful father thar he is towards his son, DIL as well as his grandchildren. This is purely a one person pity party for Charles trying to escape his own actions. That or someone is telling him how awful he looks as the nations mourn QEII and he has failed miserably with the crowds. You can’t possibly reign countries when you can not reign your family members from ripping into each other, can you??
After watching Season 4 of “The Crown” again this week, I have to say my blood is boiling. It reminded me (once more) how truly abusive Charles and Camilla were to Princess Diana. She was a teenager when she married Charles and he did nothing but abuse her during their marriage. I can’t wait until Season 5 and I can’t wait until Harry’s second book. Charles and his allies are so far up their own behinds, they can’t read the room and think they can do whatever they want. The BM on Salt Island is but a tiny speck compared to the rest of the world and the funeral was a bright light.
All I want to see is the Sussex family getting back on track and living their lives on their own terms-God bless the Sussex family and keep them safe.