I have a little conspiracy theory about this week’s Archetypes podcast, “Upending the ‘Angry Black Woman’ Myth with Issa Rae and Ziwe.” This week’s episode was one of the best ones I’ve listened to, right up there with the Mindy Kaling/singleton episode as “the best.” Meghan was especially chatty and funny with Ziwe and Issa Rae, and when she talked to Ziwe, Meghan spoke about how she took a genealogy test and discovered that she was 43% Nigerian. My conspiracy theory is that Meghan “coming out” as Nigerian has spooked the British media. In previous weeks, for previous pod episodes, the Salt Island media has nitpicked Meghan and tried to delegitimize everything she says. So far, they really haven’t done that with this episode. It’s almost like Salt Island knows that Nigerian Twitter is waiting to pounce.
Ziwe knew how big it was for the Nigerian community too, she was so excited on the pod. Ziwe also posted this great photo with Meg, as seen above. The only thing the Mail wrote about this was that Meghan wore leather pants from Anine Bing which retail for £975. There’s some insidious “how dare Meghan wear expensive clothes” sh-t but otherwise… the Mail is being shockingly quiet about this week’s episode. Nigerian Twitter is WAITING.
My other theory is that the Salt Island media doesn’t want to talk about this week’s pod because Meghan effortlessly subtweeted their years-long campaign to make her sound like an “angry Black woman” and a “bully.” When Meghan spoke to Issa, this is what she said about being in those rooms full of white people and trying not to come across a certain way:
“I also know that I will find myself cowering and tiptoeing into a room where – and I don’t know if you ever do it, the thing I find the most embarrassing – is when you’re saying a sentence with the intonation goes up like it’s a question. And you’re like – oh my God, stop, stop whispering and tiptoeing and say what it is that you need. You’re allowed to set a boundary. You’re allowed to be clear, does not make you demanding, it does not make you difficult, it makes you clear.”
Remember when Kensington Palace staffers told everyone that they nicknamed her Duchess Difficult? Yeah.
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Yes Duchess I know what you mean.
Can be exhausting to be in those spaces and since turning 50 and covid I’m done with putting myself there and in those spaces. No more.
Speak up luvie speak up.
This is what a person that is not a POC doesn’t get…..it’s so exhausting
I guess most women get it because it’s something we’ve been conditioned to do. However, WOC have an added component to it which makes it MORE difficult.
Literally EVERY woman would understand this.
White women need to stop centering themselves in these conversations. We do NOT know what it is like. That is the entire point of this podcast episode! It is not the “Angry Woman Myth”, it is the “Angry Black Woman Myth”. White feminism upholds white supremacy – stop acting like misogynoir and intersectionality don’t exist.
White women CANNOT know this feeling. There’s an extra layer of contempt for Black women that white women will never experience. In fact, just as often as not, it’s the white woman piling on the anti-Blackness.
At my age, I’ve come to realize that being women doesn’t automatically garner us Black women a seat at the table with non-Black women. Sisterhood can prove to be a myth, as white women are considered more worthy and often treat us Black women accordingly.
Yep. I had to correct someone the other day and go that they were a white woman so they didn’t have to deal with the same stuff I do when I enter a room. And that’s okay. But trying to act like we’re the same is why there’s still issues today.
No. white women do not deal with this. Do we deal with sexism? Sure. Can that be infuriating and enraging and exhausting in its own way? Of course.
It is NOT the same thing as what Black women experience and we need to stop acting like it is. That’s why I liked yesterday’s podcast so much…..it made me think more about what Black women experience and how it IS different from what I experience, as a white woman.
Every white person should read The 1619 Project — then they might get a glimmer of what POC, especially women, have had to go through and fight for, and continue to go through and fight for. Keep speaking truth to power Meghan!
@Beverly, I absolutely disagree and believe that white women, myself included, can have an inkling of what discrimination is like based on their color and sex. I lived in Micronesia for several years for work and faced incredible opposition to my having the job simply because I was white, female and from the States. Many people viewed white women as ill-equipped for jobs, predatory (I was threatened with harm against interacting with men at the workplace!), offensive for being direct (Face element), and, in general, a threat. And, like Meghan, I experienced people in the workplace trying to sabotage my work and my reputation.
I knew that I was only there for the work experience and would only stay for a few years. That is how I survived. I did not become embroiled in the local politics, took care of my mental health, and traveled as often as I could away from the area. While it was sad that I did not develop many long-lasting friendships from my tenure there, I had to remain somewhat remote and keep my nose clean to survive. I found that the less interaction with people the better because exposure only continued to breed contempt.
So, while I did not suffer the kind of discrimination that black women suffer on a daily basis I do have an inkling of what it is like to be disliked and discriminated against simply because of your color, sex, nationality and work. Again, I survived because I knew I would only be there for a short period of time, I never would have been able to survive long-term in that oppressive environment.
I believe my experience there made me into a better person and have always felt that white Americans should be put into a situation where they, for at least a little while, experience discrimination. It certainly opens your eyes to what some people have to endure on a daily basis.
@Mary, I don’t doubt any of your experiences. What a relief when you were finally able to leave that place where you were maligned and made to feel unwelcome. What a relief you could eventually go home.
But for many of us Black women in the US, the UK, and Europe, we were born here. We deal with a level of deep disdain and racial abuse that we cannot escape by returning home, because this IS our home. It’s ongoing and very rarely do allies step up in person. Sure there’s lots of online support, but very scant little in our daily lives or in the workplace.
@Haapa: I commend you for setting the record straight. Even though I’m sure my white counterparts here didn’t intentionally mean harm, I can see that some inadverdently shifted the conversation from the cultural and social impediments to expressing opinion while Black, which was Meghan’s topic, to the challenges of expressing opinion while female.
At some point, white folks will have to learn to listen to the black predicament without systematically making a point of talking about our own experience as women, out decency, simply because the inhumane humiliations and vexatious behaviors and suppressive schemes and life-threatening situations a black person usually endures, grossly override every challenge a Caucasian female might experience from her white vantage point.
Apologies, here. So embarrassing.
@Beverly, I absolutely understand your point about what black women have to tolerate on a daily basis. ” I survived because I knew I would only be there for a short period of time, I never would have been able to survive long-term in that oppressive environment.”. My point in part was that while I only experienced a miniscule, temporary, amount of discrimination compared to Black women, I saw and felt how truly oppressive and damaging it can be. I am in awe of women that can navigate through life and thrive in the face of such treatment. I would not be able to do it.
So much to say, but the below says it better than I can:
“History is already seated in the empty chair when one arrives. Where one stands in a society always seems related to this historical experience. Where one can be observed is relative to that history…How do I know this? Only by self-observation, only by looking. Only by feeling. Only by being a part, sitting in the room with history.”
From A Map to the Door of No Return: Notes to belonging by Dionne Brand.
The relief I felt stumbling across this last year. It articulates something we as Black women can often sense, intuit and feel when we enter a room.
Something has gone ahead of us and is already in the space before we get there. That something is history, the slant taken, the facts taught and omitted – how it influences perception, and shapes attitudes and behaviours, even today.
Given this, when a Black woman walks into a room the reception she receives may well be very different to what a White woman might encounter…..
I love the latest Archetypes podcast. The truth telling will have made the tabs very uncomfortable. Good…!
While white women experience discrimination, I’m sure the issues faced by women of color are exponential and not just doubled. Fighting against misogyny will help all women, not just white women — but that alone is not enough to address the issues faced by women of color. Their oppression is so much greater, even if it manifests itself in small, invidious ways and microaggressions.
They know if they open their big fatKegholes and say something abhorrant about how Meghan and other black feel and know… then black women EVERYWHERE are going to rake their arses over the hot coals and then some… then give them some what fors… and hand them their arses on a plate. They do well to shut the f up.
@USAVGJOE, it seems to me that shutting up for once is the smartest thing the BM has done in a long time…maybe ever.
I’m white and one of the oldest here. Sure, I’ve experienced discrimination but never to the extent that WOC do daily. My job upon reading all this is to shut up and learn. All the white women don’t need to be raising our hands saying we know what it’s like…because we don’t, we can’t, we never will. We can, however, try to understand. But first we need to be quiet and listen.
Thank you. Giddy. Well spoken. I am a senior black woman. It is more than disheartening to know that it happened to me, my mother, all my female relatives and my daughter. I wish white women would not comment on this. They are some of the biggest supporters of white supremacy as it benefits them. Ban me, I said what I said.
My thoughts have been brought right back to Archetypes having finished watching a BBC documentary about the brilliantly accomplished Una Marson.
A publisher, poet, playwright as well as a broadcaster and producer for the BBC in London during World War Two, she worked with TS Eliot and also George Orwell. Ms. Marson was also an advocate for racial equality, women’s rights and children’s literacy. It was thrilling to learn about this incredible Jamaican lady!
At one point, something appeared on the screen, a letter from the archives, complete with voiceover…
“Unfortunately, however since Una Marson joined the staff she seems to have got an exaggerated sense of her own position and her own authority, and cannot control herself, consequently at the slightest opposition she becomes extremely rude..”
Clearly another way of saying Ms. Marson was found to be “difficult” by some. I wonder why……
She basically slapped Valentine Low with that one sentence. He’s the one that’s been trying so hard to make “Meghan is a bully” happen.
Those last two phrases though, how many times do you think she has to reaffirm these to her herself whenever she was in a room with either her staff or the family? Most likely when the whole bridesmaid stuff was going on this was what Meghan was like and the family mistook that for her being “demanding” and decided to use that against her
Considering KC and his highly visible arrogant actions concerning pens, he would have some nerve to label anybody else “demanding”. Anne, Edward, and Andrew have also been witnessed being rude to staff over trivia and there was an article recently about Will being obnoxious with staff so none of them have the space to call others “difficult”.
@equality: link to the article about william?
@Chloe Can’t find it on here but I think the article was mostly about Meghan (of course) but said that Will yelled at staff but apologised afterward. The other articles I could find about him being difficult to work for dated back to 2017 when he was being slammed for missing the commonwealth service and being lazy.
https://www.celebitchy.com/763730/prince_william_has_a_notably_short_fuse_is_difficult_to_handle_he_screams_at_staff/
Here you go @Chloe, its from Jobson’s “William at 40” book. You know, the one the Rota like to pretend was never written, lol.
@equality, there was a Daily Express article a couple of weeks ago that talked about Willy having a ‘fiery temper’ like Chuck. Including the excuse of it usually being based on royal family matters.lol The article implied people had to walk on eggshells if he was in a mood. It covered the link MsIam shared.
It wasn’t that long ago Richard Palmer was put on a timeout for reporting what William said about wars in Europe and then having to backtrack. Pretty sure Will’s incandescence was supplying enough electricity to lightbulbs that week.
The interesting thing is Valentine Low is kind of backtracking on his bullying claims. He was on Dan Wooten’ show and said the claims against Meghan wouldn’t hold up in court. He was also a guest on another show and said the same thing. Even HE is doubting them.
I hope he got some sort of letter from H&M’s attorneys.
I saw that too. I think he said something like it was their experience and he believed them but it was pretty obvious by what he was saying that he knew it wasn’t bullying. He just thought it painted MM in a bad light. Valentine Low is a slimy Dirtbag.
@Ginger: I’ve noticed the backtracking as well which tells you how he willing he was to become a tool for KP.
One of the rota said that there were no “bullying claims,” and that the only person saying there were was Jason Knauf. That it was 100% him with no other sources. For some reason I thought Valentine Low said this, but maybe it was another man in the rota — I do know it was a man. Not Wooten.
All because all of the stuff they tried was beyond dumb. No one made any of these people respond to emails at 5 a.m. She asked questions. You really want to say my boss bullied me because she asked for updates on my task list?
@layla @kaiser just realised I didn’t read that last sentence in your post and I’ve basically commented exactly what you said 🤦🏻♀️
They know that Meghan is ready and willing to confront palace bullying claims head on and that the Firm’s findings about bullying accusations were damn near zero. They don’t want to go there with her or open that can of worms. The palace buried the results of the investigation because it made them look bad after all the hype.
I just love her.
That’s all I’ve got.
I love this comment.
I feel like a bit of a creeper thinking that listening to Meghan’s podcasts is like like listening to personal conversations while being educated at the same time. If that makes any sense.
Nigeria twitter was definately waiting. They dare not !
I have to admit I keep saying any new episode is my favorite but this is an archetype I was waiting for her to address…. There are more than a few black women who know this archetype way too well….
I share this episode with a group of black female colleagues and it is a hit … Spotify has a mine with this podcast and needless to say Charles is an idiot!
This is not an archetype, this is a stereotype.
An archetype is a personification or very typical example; Abraham is an archetype for faith.
Stereotype is a widely held and oversimplified belief…the myth or stereotype of the angry black woman.
Yes.
KP has their bots saying Meghan is lying and she was really going to say she was South African but changed to Nigerian to get points. And they’re accusing her of blackfishing.
Are all of these bots now genealogy/ DNA experts now? LOL
@Ginger, lmfao, you’re so right. Next week, they will suddenly be experts in (_insert whatever topic the next podcast episode is about_).
Since she is obviously biracial with a POC mother, how could she be blackfishing? It’s their usual, her skin isn’t dark so she identifies as caucasian BS. Because, of course, none of them knew she was biracial before since she doesn’t appear to be a POC. (sarc)
Best just to ignore those people. Their comments get more stupid and desperate every week. Anyone with sense knows that a woman with a black mother can’t credibly be accused of blackfishing. There is also plenty of evidence out there of Meghan talking about her racial identity before she met Harry.
I say call out the bots. Let KP take ownership for telling Meghan what her racial identity should be.
Watching Meghan own these muthafuckas is giving me LIFE.
Even Meghan’s character on Suits was mixed race. And she regularly wrote about being biracial, and the racism she witnessed against her mother, on the Tig. Speaking of her mother, it seems like Doria was a VERY visible, constant part of Meghan’s life, pre Harry and with Harry.
Anyone who tries to claim that Meghan was living “as a white person”, pulled it out of their a$$.
The black fishing accusations are basically projection for some of the more prominent deranger accounts.
It also shows that these people don’t know any actual black or mixed race people. Black Americans come in all skin colors, from “ coal to cream” to quote Derrick Bell. There are black people with two black parents who have Meghan’s skin tone, so she doesn’t even look that unusual. It’s just ignorance and being upset they she is claiming her African roots because then they can’t say they didn’t know she was black. Why are they even mad? Where do they think her mother’s ancestors came from?
Lol, how could they possibly know she was going to say she was South African? These people seriously don’t see how unhinged they sound with this nonsense? They actually expect people to believe that everything Meghan says is a lie somehow? What do they think she did for the first 35 years of her life, be in cryogenesis? Just bask in your racism, and say I don’t like her because she’s black and I don’t want to like her because she’s black. That would require less mental power than this pretzel twisting.
I know their bots but why would she claim South African heritage? The vast majority of the slave trade was from West Africa so it’s damn near obvious she would have Nigerian ancestry. Mine was 84% Nigerian and while not even close to white passing I come from some fair skinned black people. These saltines need to brush up on history before they spit out this trash they speak.
Exactly. The overwhelming majority of Blacks in the Americas are descendants of West Africa because of the trans-Atlantic slave trade. This is just basic history. Anyway, this topic is a great listen and they’re focusing on DNA because they want to avoid the actual substance of the podcast, because what are they gonna say? That Issa Ray can’t say those things, that Justice Jackson wasn’t being baited during her hearing? Such a good podcast.
Girl, I came to write the same thing. This is basic history. Us black people in America and the Caribbean are the result of the slave trade are from Western Africa. I was pleased to have my results show me as 36% Nigerian and 16% Ghanaian!
I am utterly befuddled as to why they’d say this. Are they trying to deny that some of her ancestors were slaves?
Yeah, this. I would love an explanation for how changing to Nigerian from S. African fundamentally changes the conversation, because I don’t get it.
Considering the ppl programming the bots seem to have a one drop rule, I don’t see why it matters. It does mean Nigerians are more feared, I guess 😂 Nigerian Twitter for the win!
It was ITV RR Chris Ship talking to Pss Moron who of course tried to shut him down.
I get so mad at the white derangers saying she’s blackfishing. Some idiot had a whole tweet taking apart her hair part and saying she is purposely darkening her skin color cause her part was lighter. I was like, so you have heard of hats right? And sunscreen only does so much, you are still going to get dark! GAH
@ChillinginDC, you have got to be kidding me with this one. So they’re analyzing her SCALP now? God help us.
She has elegantly and succinctly shamed every single one of them, not just the media but the firm.
@Janey, you nailed it. She handed them their ass with eloquence. She nailed the “angry Black Woman trope, all the while making those royal gossipers look foolish. Imagine striving for excellence with a bunch of lazy racists who resented working for a Black woman.
It was beautiful.
Yeah I think this episode is one that Salt Island wants to stay away from for two reasons – first, this is one that was so focused on race, that saying anything to negate the experiences discussed therein is going to cause a huge blowback. White RRs don’t get to tell black women that their experiences are not theirs, you know? (I mean they’ve tried before, but I think they know people are watching.)
Second, it does highlight how Meghan was treated in the Firm and puts the bullying allegations into a new light for many who haven’t been paying attention like we all have. “It does not make you difficult, it makes you clear.” That is Meghan sending a clear message to the KP staffers and the RRs and everyone who has insisted she was this awful bully. the RRs don’t want people to focus on that.
But it is only the second day after the episode dropped. It’s possible they will have something to say today.
+1 exactly what I was thinking.
@Becks, this is a tough one for them, so they’re probably still brainstorming how to criticize it. Could take a while with that brain trust.
(In all seriousness though, I agree with all of the points you made)
Weird because I was thinking they left Megan alone because their racist heads are exploding due to a PoC being made PM from yesterday…
P.S. also note that the Nigerian community in the UK is big, and it is possible they don’t want to poke the bear…
I almost want to see the bear poked just for the Nigerian Twitter reaction. If it ultimately weakens the RR and the monarchy, I’m all for it.
Oh, PLEASE let them open their big stupid mouths and say something. Welcome to FAFOville, population their dumba$$es.
They launched an all out assault over the Deal or No Deal stuff and it flopped.
As a BW I so related to this episode and I appreciate this being discussed. I loved how Issa and Meghan bonded over growing up in LA. Ziwe was cute squealing when Meghan saying she was 43% Nigerian Twitter. I too found out years ago that my strongest DNA link was Nigeria. Nigerian Twitter has already claimed her so Salt Island needs to tread lightly.
Please, the Fail has probably sent people to Lagos or busy trying to get hold of genealogists who will counter her claims about her ancestry.
Nigerian Twitter is sitting ready though.
I knew the press wasn’t going to touch this episode because they don’t know how to talk about racism. They left the Dragon Lady episode alone too.
I was trying to remember if there was any pushback against the Dragon Lady episode and I couldn’t remember. But it makes sense that they would leave the episodes that most directly deal with race alone.
The noise started about Dragon Lady not be a put down but died as quickly as it started.
They tried to attack Meghan for pointing out roles for Asian women in movies that promoted the stereotypes but that didn’t stick.
Right, like they’re consistently uneducated on this subject, even with a world of information at their feet. For some reason, they’re no longer Rottweilers, they’re Chihuahuas. It warps my view of them and I think of them as feeble and dumb.
The british media are good at ignoring things they can’t pick apart. They were hyper-focused on last week’s podcast about Meghan’s experience on “deal or no deal”. Meghan didn’t say anything that hasn’t been said before, there are old interviews from other cast-mates that say the exact thing. But Meghan isn’t allowed to say it herself or have feelings about her own experience. For years, they used the images from “deal or no deal” to sexualize her and paint her as a temptress/jezebel so her saying for her it was just a good pay job that payed her bills while she worked on moving to bigger and greater things must’ve ruined their narrative. They don’t talk about Harry’s apple doc where he says himself he doesn’t regret anything and confirms the palace and media are behind the smear campaign against his wife bc it ruins the narrative that they’ve been pushing about him desperately wanting to come back.
Any clips I’ve seen of Harry’s Apple doc are so good! I’m gonna need to get Apple tv at some point to watch the whole thing.
You can sign up for the trial, binge watch then cancel if you want.
@W, yep, the British Media/RR’s/tabloids have pretty much ignored what Harry has said on camera about them. He’s been very forthright with his words. And has been, before Meghan, where the British media/RR’s is/are concerned. They love playing the- let’s pretend this didn’t happen game- with Harry’s words.
If they were smart, they’d leave this one alone. Nigerian Twitter is poised and waiting to chew them up and spit them out. I’m eagerly awaiting what Nigerian Twitter will do. Please RRs! Say something stupid. Come on, Camel Toe! I know it’s killing you not to counter Meghan’s truth.
I found myself nodding and pointing at the radio as I listened to the podcast. Remembering so many times when some white person was shocked when I asserted myself. This isn’t like you Mia. You don’t have to have an attitude. Mofo I don’t have an attitude. I’m trying to let you know what I think. I’m not angry. I’m concerned. I have an opinion.
I see it with my bestie. She’s a VP. When she speaks, people are supposed to listen. Instead, they get offended when asked to do their jobs and report her for being mean. She told me she didn’t even blink when her boss gave her her report. She just asserted that these were her direct reports and she wouldn’t have to be “mean” if they were doing their jobs properly.
The food for thought this episode is still giving me…
When they said I was shouting
when I was speaking
then changed it to I was
“acting aggressive”
when I weren’t. I was just askin
When they wouldn’t answer me when I asked them what “acting aggressive” was.
When they changed it to,
I was
“talking aggressive” which I weren’t
when they joked, to themselves – not to me – that we all sound aggressive to them
anyway.
When they said I was bein
“provocative”
and I asked them
“how”
and they said
“physically”
and I asked them
“how – ?” when there’s four-more-of-them
than-the-one-a me….
From the play Ear for Eye by Debbie Tucker Green.
Black twitter and Nigerian twitter are waiting for the nonsense to start. The Rota, BM, and American tabloids are probably still searching high and low for a black woman, a Nigerian or any other poc to say they had never experienced what episode 7 was about. I’m sure they could have found a musical theatre person to complain about the jazz hands ( I need credit if jazz hands becomes an issue.)
The stupidity of the bullying accusation shows how ill-informed the PR group of the RF are. Meghan would have had to discard all her life experiences to become a bullying /demanding person in the whitest of white space.
Exactly @Petra! Like she could’ve even done so. I know she’s a trained and experienced actress. But as a human person I also know how some feelings we have about certain situations are deeply ingrained and beyond difficult to throw away in those moments. As I if she could simply discard her all of her life experiences, or ignore her eq when it’s blaring the ‘warning/danger’ alarm bc of these deplorable racist people, their quest for money and power and their love of a system. I’m so glad she’s free. I also love Ziwe too much.
Shit, I’m a white woman and I’ve experienced it. I’m sure not as often as Black women. But man, it’s happened a lot. So much that I feel any woman who claims it never happened to her is probably lying — maybe to herself.
@Emily_C, Why are you using your brain? For Meghan’s critics, criticizing her means NO to critical thinking or common sense.
@Petra. Khate will probably offer to patroness the jazz hands group. The poor lambs.
@Jenny, The jazz hands I post about has to do with Meghan and Issa Rae talking about Issa Rae not being into theatre.
Transcript:
Issa Rae: The other great thing about going to King Drew was like it was a
predominantly Black and Latino high school and we had an amazing drama teacher who would find plays that were predominantly Black and Latino. He had introduced us to a canon of playwrights that I wouldn’t have been familiar with, that I wasn’t familiar with, and I don’t think I would have been otherwise. And so I was spoiled in that way because it was catered to us, whereas going to Stanford, the drama department, you know, didn’t have to. And there was, you know, had years of legacy — plays, theater — and I wasn’t really big on musicals.
Meghan: Too much jazz hands. (laughter) A little too cheesy.
Issa: All of that! Smiling and jazz hands. And I can’t dance or sing. I just don’t have the makings of a musical theater actress. So it was very clear that it wasn’t for me until a girl put on a play. It was a hip hop era, which was kind of a musical. But I was like, look, I’ll take what I can get. And it was, you know, it was diverse. She was a Black girl, putting it on independently and cast me as one of four leads. And I was like, this is dope. She just did it outside the system and like, it’s her work and she’s putting it on and she’s built it from the ground up and we’re all participating. And you know that that really had an impact on me.
Agree @Petra. When I heard the ‘jazz hands’ comment my mind went to a Fosse, Fosse, Fosse line of thinking.
Yeah, it was funny to see the derangers twist and turn and claim Doria was only “half black” even though she has two black parents. I think the derangers are trying to slide past being called racists but it is what it is.
They are showing that they aren’t very intelligent about science and genetics. Getting half your genes from either parent is random, otherwise all siblings would be twins. Even if one of Doria’s parents had white parentage, that wouldn’t say that the genes she inherited would necessarily reflect that by 1/4 of them being “white”.
I don’t hear a peep from the RRrats.
I find it soooo funny that she picked
Maya Angelou poem “I Rise” to log out of the podcast. Meghan has called them out! You can try to bring her down with your twisted lies, but like a Phoenix, she will always rise!
Deal with it!
Every time I think of Meghan and what she goes through I think of that Maya Angelou poem which could have been written especially for Meghan.
When I was a student I had the poem pinned up on my wall.
Thank you Maya Angelou!
When Meghan started reciting that poem, my goosebumps went on overdrive. Perfection.
The haters are too busy with the Crown right now, I think.
Adding in M&H will only make people think: “Hey, if they behaved this badly maybe they were this bad to M&H as well”.
It’s has been fascinating to follow Meghans journey from Suits to now.
There is literally no other celebrity who’s every words are tracked worldwide lol. Not even Beyoncé or Taylor swift get articles written about them for every single thing they do like it is for Meghan.
The only people I can compare it to are President Biden and VP Harris.
It’s really fascinating because she’s in the weird mix of celebrity but also political influence.
That’s why I laugh when derangers or haters try to say Harry and Meghan won’t succeed because it’s literally impossible. They get so much free marketing that anyone would be dying to work with them plus they are hard workers. They care!
They also haven’t even tapped into the commercial aspect of their brand. It’s mainly been philanthropy. If they were to ever open the door. Phew endless opportunities await them.
I’m still hoping that one day Harry or a Meghan will host SNL. There’s so much funny material to be made.
I wonder if Meghan isn’t tapping into the commercial with her clothing. I hope she’s getting freebies or paid to wear some things since she does bring so much attention to the brands.
That’s very possible and I hope it’s true. Though I want commercials, magazines, makeup and skin brands and all that lol.
Meghan doing the opening monologue in a tiara. It would be worth it just to watch the RF and the press explode.
Meghan on SNL would be a hoot! Especially with a Harry cameo. Kenan should play King Charles and Mikey day should play Camilla. Chloe Fineman as Kate and Sarah Sherman as William. Royal asses would be seriously chapped.
They would LOSE THEIR MINDS!!
But it would be so hilarious especially if they fully allowed themselves and the cast to go there with the content.
In my dreams that episode @Ianne wishes for will be broadcast live when the Wails are in NY.
@Polo, I’d also watched Suits pre-Harry and it HAS been absolutely mind blowing to see what happened to Meghan from 2016 until now. It’s unprecedented, really. She’s become a lightning rod of the cultural wars in both the UK and the US. Just incredible.
I’ve also learned that I can tell a lot about a person depending on what they think of Meghan. She’s become a good barometer for judging a person’s character. (Obviously there are exceptions, but in general, it’s pretty consistent.)
We did notice, we have had several stories here about it.
And LOL for days that the RRs are not obsessed with Meghan.
My oldest granddaughter is biracial and has never shut herself down or lowered her voice just to make it easier on herself or others. I don’t know if its this younger generation who refuses to be silenced or boxed in or what, but she is not afraid to say “this is who I am and I won’t silence myself for YOUR comfort”
I am so proud of her, and I know it can’t be easy at times but her voice doesn’t shake when she’s standing up for herself.
She admires the s*it out of Madame Duchess and feels she’s a kindred spirit
My goddaughter is biracial and she is magnificent. She’s 38, accomplished in her career, loving, compassionate, and calmly and clearly doesn’t take sh*t from anybody. She was raised by her white mother and black father to be strong in the face of racism, and to never dim her light, because they knew, living in the US primarily (she has dual American/Canadian citizenship) that it would be a rough ride. She too adores Meghan the Magnificent.
@Jaded
My granddaughter will be 21 in May and is studying to be a forensic anthropologist but in the meantime she took herself off to a well known cosmetology/hair schoo! and got THAT certificate just so she can earn her own and pay her own way.
She’s fiesty and funny and whip smart and doesn’t give a rats ass what people think of her. I would like to think she will navigate her future with no issues, but I know that’s not gonna happen.
Good for your goddaughter. We need more women like them.
The reference was about the media, not the general population. And the problems in the UK have been going on for months, but that hasn’t stopped the UK trashloids from grinding out dozens of articles daily about the Sussexes. So yes, obsession fits.
I finally got to listen this morning, and, while all the episodes are great and powerful, this one was absolutely a jewel. Meghan gets better week by week in the way she leads into the topic (Ziwe was funny and engaging), gets into the meat, then brings in an expert, back to the main course, and then closes with inspirational thoughts — this time using the perfect Maya Angelou poem read by the poet (no one ever did it better). Without any innuendo about the BRF/RR whatsoever, SHE CALLED THEM OUT. Do I think the 🐀🐀🐀 won’t find a way to attack her lived experience again? I hope they try.
From what I saw on Twitter last night, the one thing Brits were zeroing in on was Meghan’s comment about not drinking coffee while the UK. She never said she couldn’t get coffee, or that the coffee was bad. She simply said she didn’t think about drinking it while there. But somehow they managed to even twist that into “Oh Meghan the victim! She was too scared to even drink coffee!” or “How dare she! We have coffee in England!” Seriously, coffee. That was all they could come up with.
On another note, after so long of worrying about Meghan and what they did to her over there, I get it now. She is fine. She is more than fine actually, she’s great. The way she is pushing back and giving it to the BM and all of the haters without even having to utter a name is BRILLIANT on her part.
Coffee?! They’re really scraping the bottom of the barrel, lmao.
I don’t drink coffee in the UK and I’m from Italy, I was brought up with coffee!
Coffee from the shops here is a disgusting, bland, characterless drink – I only drink tea when out so I’m wholly on Megan’s side on this one.
Totally agree, @AlpineWitch! I love cafes but after months of trying to find good coffee (in London, no less!) I just decided it was better for me to spend my £££ on their…stronger offerings. (Although my time in Italy afterwards fully converted me and my husband to espresso and the old Bialetti pots!)
And despite what I just wrote I promise I’m no coffee snob but I was shook the first time I was offered splashes of water to my order to “cool it down”. You can’t, as a nation, both offer that AND be offended that Meghan didn’t drink your bean water at the same time. English Media, get it together. Good, basic coffee is not your forte and that’s FINE.
It’s been a few years but Fortitude Bakehouse in the mews behind Russell Square station gave me the best flat white I’ve ever had. But, I’ve never been to Italy, though I did live in Little Italy so…
I don’t know why I’m trying to understand the insane ramblings of the Meghan haters, but why are they saying she was going to say she’s South African but said Nigerian to gain points? What does that mean to them? What point do they think they’re making?
South African isn’t an ethnicity, but the haters probably don’t know that. If Meghan’s ancestors came from South Africa, they would be Zulu or Xhosa or Venda or tswana or any of a number of other ethnicities. And most Americans with African ancestry trace to the peoples of western africa for obvious reasons of the slave trade. South Africa doesn’t make geographic sense.
@Lanne thank you so much for that explanation. If I had had my critical thinking hat on, I would have realized the geographic piece, but the ethnicity piece probably wouldn’t have occurred to me, embarrassingly. I appreciate you taking the time to educate me!
Has anyone asked those haters how they could possibly know what Meghan was “going to say”? Did Meghan contact them while preparing for the episode?
Those comments were 100% from bots (whether automated accounts or trolls manually copying & pasting a script) because they were identical comments across multiple accounts.
I *think* the strategy behind them was an attempt to tie in their previous hate campaign with that South African hashtag they used after the 1st episode, when Meghan shared the story about the fire in Archie’s room on their South African tour and the anecdote about people celebrating the wedding. At the time, haters (again, mostly driven by bots) tried to spin it as Meghan speaking against South Africa (which she wasn’t) and say that there weren’t any celebrations for her wedding (which they were). So, this latest iteration seems to be a callback to that, and they used the same hashtag. To me it seems like an attempt to cut Meghan off from Black twitter and/or her African supporters.
What I want to know is, who is paying for this? Because if it were just a solo deranger doing it all manually, you’d think they’d at least change the wording a bit, or switch out an emoji, something. So it really does lean to troll/bot farm purchased campaign to me.
Yes!
This!
Who is paying for the bots en masse???
The Fail?
Murdoch?
Murdoch/Fail tag team?
Murdoch and Fail independent of each other?
Is taxpayers money (Duchy $$$) paying for all this?
This situation is sitting in the plain view of everybody, surely it can’t be that hard to out the culprit
Anonymous, if you’re listening…
Having the first Hindu PM doesn’t mean anything. There are still hoping to be sections of the population that don’t want him as head of government because of that. Certain spaces belong to specific races in their mind.
“Angry Black Woman” is one archetype the tabs are afraid to touch because it’s been their favorite characterization of Meghan. If they nitpick her on this one, they just prove her point.
I love it but it was triggering for me as I been called an angry black woman before. I am still basically processing that and have found myself triple checking everything I say, how I look, my facial expressions and body language. We, women of color are always forced to make ourselves small to avoid hurting white sensibilities. Little by little I have claimed my space but it is not always easy …. Bravo Meg! I love you!
Bravo you for claiming your space and not self-policing!
Archetypes with Meghan just gets better every week, she is really hitting on great talking points that women and men of all colors should be talking about. I have learned a lot and it has opened my eyes to really pay attention to details and say something when you get that little “something is off” vibe it is ok to ask people to clarify what they actually meant and tell them you don’t agree. I am very non confrontational from past experiences and truthfully didn’t like how it made me feel to just shutdown and go home, imagining the things I should have said. I also love the fact that every topic of this podcast is handled so well with empathy and grace. Meghan is reaching global heights the BRF, rota and media there will never comprehend. I look forward to Tuesday mornings so much now, I really hope she continues beyond the 12 weeks.
@Cessily, I definitely think she’ll do more episodes, even if it isn’t for a while, until there’s a second season. Before this season aired, people might have been reticent to agree to go on the podcast because it wasn’t a known entity yet (and she STILL managed to get amazing guests!).
Now that it’s out there in the world and people see what it’s all about, I’d bet there are tons of women who will want to be a part of it. And Spotify must be thrilled with the numbers it’s pulling. I’d be surprised if there weren’t more than 12 being planned.
This Hateful people are so Ridiculously first Meghan was not black they excuses her of lying about her races and swore up and down that they didn’t know she was black . My favorite line was oh she looks like a Italian woman then they clutch their pearls and got so pissed when Meghan was pregnant did ever things they could to cause her a miscarriage because of her so called exotic blood . Now that Meghan has Spoken loud and clear that she is a black woman now the lunatics wanted to claim that Doria the woman that they deemed unworthy because of her blackness now all suddenly doria is not really black even though she has two black parents. These people are just crazy And literally looking for anything to throw at Meghan to criticize her.
Thank you for posting the actual podcast, that is the first one I listened to, now I’m gonna have to go back and listen to the rest. She has a great voice for podcasting and her topics are so damn relevant to me and my life, I’m a MM Stan now???
Many African Americans trace their ancestry to West Africa, predominantly Nigeria and Ghana.
The hesitation to attack the recent podcast, though I’m sure they’re still combing the transcript for something, is because the subject hits home. They called her “Diva” and went into overdrive on the “Deal, No Deal” experience. Derangers like to depict her as “crazy,” but the “angry black woman” is directly linked to the bullying allegation. Meghan has used every archetype they threw at her and turned it into a goldmine. Tabloids are backing down from the bullying noise because the phone hacking allegations are more significant than we can imagine. They’re desperately trying to rescue William’s reputation. Kensington Palace is deeply involved in the Sussex smear campaign, and the more they harp on it, William’s involvement will become apparent. Valentin Low is toning down the bullying allegation for the same reason. Harry said in the Oprah interview that he loves his brother, but space is needed. He is aware of William, Kate, and their staff’s involvement and is trying to allow them to clean up aisle 13. Not everyone inside KP is anti-Harry and Meghan.
I thought that was really interesting. My family is mostly from the Caribbean and for the last 3 generations we have been in Britain, US, and Canada. For years, my mother thought our ancestors mostly came from Ghana to the islands via the slave trade but my brother did an ancestry test last year and we are like 35% Nigerian. Lol, a bit of surprise.
I hope a future episode looks into the Jezebel, Sapphire, and Mammy tropes for Black women and break that apart. I can see that being a great multi episode.
Not just Nigerian Twitter but Black Twitter in general. I’m sure many would love to discuss the importance of which country her ancestors were stolen from…
Of course they would name South Africa, its the only country that they think has white people in it. And they love to claim that she is 1/4 Black and to them Nigeria is “too Black”, which would negate that ridiculous and very r@cist talking point. Its interesting how oblivious to their r@cism they are by thinking this is a good talking point to slam an American descendant of chattel sl@very with. Smh
The ABW trope is pervasive and exhausting. I found that people are less willing to antagonize me when I’m the ABW – aka When I’m standing up for myself.
Omg I love your what you said about Nigerian Twitter, We are so fierce and loud and proud !!
I am 100% Nigerian and let me tell you when I heard the duchess of EVERYTHING was 43% Nigerian I was like Now I get it ! That Nigerian spirit of excellence and attitude just shines through , we literally have a slang /slogan “Soro Soke” which literally means “Speak up!” If you have Nigerian friends or follow Nigerians on social media them you know what I am talking about, they would never DARE ! LOL
I cried a little bit at the Nigerian ethnicity moment, she is spectacular and I adore her. I can’t believe what she has had to deal with, and how she continues to be courageous and altruistic despite so many global forces trying to hold her down.
Just one question. How does the Mail know the leather pants Meghan is wearing cost 975 pounds?
@MikeB, I’m so glad I’m not the only one who wondered that, lol! Apparently she wore them before, but I still don’t know how they can tell exactly *which* black leather pants they are. They all look the same to me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
They look for the most expensive ones they can find and say”this is what Meghan wore!” Its ridiculous. And even if they are expensive, who cares? Its her money.
But Camilla is staying at a resort in India for a month costing more than £700 a night??
The Daily Beast was able to pivot in a nasty way, focusing on Meghan’s use of the word “particular.” That proves she was a “difficult” boss! Just like her poor harassed employees said.
The unashamed, open racism in the British press is something to see.
Tom Sykes is an embarrassment that will struggle to find a new position once this daily beast gig dries up. I assume he’ll hightail it back to full-time RR and get used to dressing like a hobo like the rest of them.
Meghan said on the podcast she was 43% Nigerian. She didn’t say what the other 57% percent is divided up into, but the derangers are screeching that she’s ” more than half white so she’s not black.” It’s tiring.
My Ancestry DNA said I’m 47% Irish. I didn’t say what the other 53% is and only an uninformed, ignorant hater (definition of a deranger) would claim what the other 53% is, for example
The only reason these percentages are quibbled about by the derangers (who previously tried to claim she was only 25% black) is because they think that it proves them not racist. From my viewpoint, even being concerned with percentages makes them racist.
Agreed, Equality.
My Dad is 60% white according to his DNA but he identifies as black because he grew up in Jim Crow south and lived with the “one drop” rule.
The “scandal” drives home the point Prince Harry’s children of Nigerian lineage with Duchess Meghan – conceived and born in lawful wedlock – are lawful successors to the British throne. The BM has used the vindictive white Markles not only to define her character but as the true determiner of Meghan’s heritage. Meghan has acknowledged her blackness before Harry and this current acknowledgment lessens the Markles more.
I had a question on the 1619 project, I’m familiar with its thesis but wanted to know why the Spanish Empire isn’t mentioned in the research for their introduction of chattel slavery to what would be the United States 50+ years before 1619? Or how they set the infrastructure i.e. slave trade waypoints and relationships with African kingdoms that other European nations later utilized in this dreadful system.
They don’t care about Meghan. It’s Harry they’re into hurting. She’s just a cudgel.
I do believe most of british tabloid journalists are uneducated and cause of nepotisms,
The fact that all of them didnt touch this subject means someone is controlling them. Someone who knows that if they did it will kick their asses back.
Who is this someone, the BRF and its staffs are too stupid to make this decision.
Nigerian and proud. Saying she was 43% Nigerian made my day.
I can’t blame Salty island for avoiding Nigerian Twitter, Even Nigerians dread Nigerian twitter. It’s like an army of determined ants who are on a joint cause. They will crush you. Mercilessly.
Thank you, most Nigerians that I know are verbal and voluble. Do not know if it will over Meghan any protection but it would be nice. I see no allies for black women anywhere