Just a few weeks after Queen Elizabeth II passed away, Denmark’s Queen Margrethe made international headlines for suddenly removing the royal titles from four of her grandchildren. Prince Joachim’s four children all had their royal titles removed and he was super-upset about it, as was his ex-wife and his current wife. He gave several interviews about how hurt he was by his mother’s decision, and he and his wife even indicated that they were basically exiled to France several years ago, pushed out of the royal court, and it was not their decision. Joachim also seemed to suggest that there was a deeper estrangement not only with his mother, but with his brother Frederik, the crown prince. A short time later, Queen Margrethe offered a stunning public apology to Joachim and his children, but she did not reverse her decision. Still, the apology seemed to work, as did a sort of informal summit between mother and son. It’s been pretty quiet in the “trashy” House of Glücksburg ever since.
Well, Vanity Fair did an in-depth article about the history of Queen Margrethe’s reign, her f–ked up marriage and her relationships with her two sons. You can read the full piece here, there’s tons of gossip about her marriage, but I wanted to excerpt some stuff about her relationships with Crown Prince Frederik and Prince Joachim. Some highlights:
Margrethe favoritism towards Frederik: With her husband gone, Queen Margrethe II has been increasingly focused on securing the monarchy in Denmark and the smooth accession of her son Crown Prince Frederik and his wife, Princess Mary, an affable, photogenic duo with four children, known to the public as the “bicycling royals.” Meanwhile, her second son, Prince Joachim, has become less of an asset as a public figure. “She has seen how enormously popular her oldest son and his family have become, whereas Joachim has had a more volatile relationship with the Danish public,” Villemann says. Royal reporter Kenth Madsen told the Daily Mail last month that he had been informed by palace sources that Prince Joachim has “felt humiliated and ignored for a long time.”
Frederik & Joachim used to be close: “The brothers were each other’s best friends,” Villeman says. They also appeared to be well-matched. Queen Margrethe seemed assured that Joachim would be an ideal spare to help the heir. “Joachim’s nature makes him very good at being a younger brother, he simply can’t bear a grudge,” she said in Queen in Denmark, adding, “He has always backed up his elder brother. Frederik can be quite introspective, and…very impatient with himself—Joachim could always mediate between Frederik and whatever was bothering him.”
Why did the brothers grow apart? “Joachim was described by his mother as the perfect number two, because of how well he coped with knowing that Frederik was going to be king and he was the spare,” says Villeman. But the dynamics changed when the brothers married, especially when Frederik married the Tasmanian-born Mary Donaldson, and the brothers grew apart.” Things came to a head in 2019, when Joachim and his second wife, Princess Marie, moved temporarily to Paris with their children so he could participate in a military training program. However, he has yet to return and is now an attaché to the Danish Embassy. In an extraordinary July 2020 interview with Se og Hør, Princess Marie made it clear she was not happy with the move, saying it had not been their choice. “It is not always us who decide,” she said, and declined to explain further. “I think that’s important to know.”
Frederik wasn’t always his mother’s favorite: While this decision [to strip royal titles] may seem to point to personal favoritism on the queen’s part, Villemann does not believe this is the case. “Frederik certainly was not the queen’s favorite growing up. She never understood his sensitive nature and the fact that he quite openly resented his fate. He wanted to be anything but king,” she says. “But old age is beginning to catch up with her and she wants to put her house in order. If that means sidelining Joachim and his family, then so be it. As the queen and the head of state, she sees her main duty now as securing the dynastic future of her family.”
Denmark isn’t big enough for two princes: “Denmark is a small country and not big enough for the two brothers and their—by Danish standards—large families. There simply aren’t enough royal duties for so many full-time royals,” Villemann says. “In 2016 the royal palace announced that only Crown Prince Frederik’s oldest child, Prince Christian, is expected to receive public funding. The key word here is expected. I am told that the palace is pursuing a plan whereby Frederik’s second-oldest child, Princess Isabella, also gets public money, and that removing the titles from Joachim’s children is part of that plan because the palace can argue that the monarchy is slimming down. The irony here is that none of Joachim’s children were ever expected to receive public funding, and their titles would have disappeared if and when they marry a commoner.”
[From Vanity Fair]
Well, this piece has me disliking Frederik a bit? I never really formed an opinion about him other than my vibe that he seemed easy-going. But it sounds like Frederik is all “woe is me, heavy lies the head that wears the crown” all while encouraging his mother to make these machinations to exile Joachim. It’s sort of an open question, from what I can see, as to just why Joachim and Marie have been exiled to France for three-plus years and who ordered what. Marie and Joachim say it wasn’t their call. Was it solely Queen Margrethe’s call? Or did Frederik have a say in the matter too? I wonder what else Margrethe has in store for “putting her house in order” too, because it feels like there are shoes left to drop.
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Her Majesty The Queen Margrethe turns 80 on April 16, 2020. In connection with her birthday, the Royal House will publish a new art portrait series by photographer Per Morten Abrahamsen.
Past, present and future. The portrait of the Queen, Crown Prince and Prince Christian is taken in the Red Salon in Christian IX’s mansion in Amalienborg. In the background of the picture on the left stands a bust of Frederick 9, so in fact four generations of past, present and future regenter gathered.
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Her Majesty The Queen Margrethe turns 80 on April 16, 2020. In connection with her birthday, the Royal House will publish a new art portrait series by photographer Per Morten Abrahamsen.
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Copenhagen, DENMARK – Crown Princess Mary of Denmark at the Copenhagen University in Copenhagen. The Crown Princess opens a new knowledge center, which will wear the name Crown Princess Mary Center – solving problems through research and partnerships, on the occasion of the Crown Princess’s 50th birthday.
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So there’s a plan in which princess Isabella may also get public money, but bc they’re stripping the titles of the grandchildren, they can “say” they’re slimming the monarchy. Well, that was a pretty clear admission that slimming the monarchy is a scam and has nothing to do with costing the country less. Charles and Magrethe have been talking and plotting.
This. Very shady they already announced only Christian would be a working royal and receive funding. Now the staff are openly leaking there’s a plan to shove Izzy on the books too? What next, the twins too? Fred and Mary creating a problem for the next generation, where Izzy is on the books as an extraneous working royal until she gets dumped for Christian’s kids. Hoping the tea-dropping Danish posters comes back on to tell us more about how it is well-known Mary is jealous of Marie etc.
Correct me if I am wrong, If Izzy marries a “commoner” then she will no longer be an HRH or a working Danish Royal????
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Mary being jealous of Marie is like the sun being jealous of the moon. Mary’s popularity rivals the Queen and she was voted most admired woman in Denmark in the last poll I saw. Her husband was 2nd most admired man in Denmark and Barack Obama was number 1.
Marie on the other hand has the lowest approval rating out of The Queen, CP Couple, and Joachim. It was in the low 40’s and Mary’s was in the high 70’s.
I have no faith in any surveys about royal popularity, regardless of country. If you look back at some of these threads, we had local Danish posters on talking about the gossip in Copenhagen around this issue. Those are the ones I was hoping would come back in and share more.
If anything, I think it would be an issue of Marie’s ease in that level of society plus her easy fluency in five languages. Marie didn’t have a career to speak of either, but she’s the daughter of a wealthy man, went to finishing school, and doesn’t seem awed by ‘society’. Mary is someone who, like Kate, seems to have issues with her own middle class upbringing. I could see her resenting Marie fitting in so easily, along with Henrik’s open joy in having a French daughter in law. That and the fact that Fred cheats while Joachim in faithful.
So you are going off of baseless gossip than actual facts. You can’t present any real evidence of anything so you want me to believe random internet posters that fit your narrative.
Fred is such a horrible husband and yet he’s been married for almost 20 years and Joachim is on his 2nd wife. But oh wait it’s not his fault it was his evil ex wife that ruined his reputation and cheated on him and left him heartbroken.
LOL, Jess. I see no ‘fact’ in random royal surveys, that’s what I stated. Wasn’t aware you were the font of all ‘fact’ regarding CP Mary and that business arrangement marriage. When a Danish poster comes on and gives news of the on the street gossip, it is the on the street gossip. Doesn’t make it fact, it makes it what local Danes are discussing. That makes it interesting.
I’ve watched Mary from the beginning, she’s never impressed me, and I’ve always found her obsessive stans ‘interesting’. Much like Middleton stans. Fred/Mary are in a marriage of convenience where they each get what they want. He cheats, she gets jewelry, rinse, repeat. Alexandra cheated on Joachim, moved on, and was happy to remain friends with him while living off the taxpayers an extra decade at Margrethe’s direction. This family has all kinds of dysfunction.
You can continue to repeat gossip but Joachim’s troubles started with his divorce. You and I both don’t know any of the persons involved but I would rather go off of global surveys done by YouGov than a random poster on CB who has a personal dislike and is therefore clearly biased.
Fred and Mary are still married and if they were to divorce I’m sure his popularity will also plummet. That’s how that works. Fred and Mary’s marriage is no more or less a convenience than Joachim and Marie. He needed someone to pick his poll numbers back up and marrying a French girl who claims aristo heritage was the answer.
All families have drama, no matter the social class and with or without titles. That’s normal.
Fred married someone who would put up with anything to stay married in exchange for position. I don’t consider that admirable. Your personal need to keep trying to lift up a mediocre woman married in to a royal family? Not unbiased in the least. BTW you referencing YouGov as a trustworthy survey platform eliminated any value in your post.
Mediocre because she doesn’t come from an aristocratic family. You sound elitist. She’s just as educated as Meghan.
You using random posters who post gossip eliminates all value in your posts.
Jess, reminder, we’re on a gossip site. I don’t think Mary is mediocre because of being middle class. I think Mary is mediocre because she is simply mediocre. She has no personal spark of charisma, she isn’t particularly intelligent, she is bland. Mary had no solid career pre-marriage, sat around for two years not working while Fred made up his mind about her, she constantly overspends, and she’s lazy. 100 days a year, when those days are made up of one 15 minute meeting? Of all the consorts who married-in around that time, she’s the least accomplished. Those are the facts which Mary stans just cannot stand.
I wonder when younger heirs pop out 3 or 4 children they convince themselves that the infighting and other petty dramas of the previous generations will not repeat with their kids. While it must be nice to be born rich, being stuck in a very high profile family business with weird a** rules seems miserable.
I was just thinking that. As a child I dreamed about being a princess – thought it would be marvellous to be wealthy and pampered and wear a tiara. As a got a bit older I was envious of having your life planned out (I’m closing in on 50 and still don’t know what I want to be when I grow up). But man, these past few years have really driven home how toxically unhealthy these royal families are. Makes me that much more grateful for the humble little family I grew up in. At least we all love *and* like each other.
The guy doesn’t want to be king. Give him a break and do away with the monarchy. This story sounds familiar. The “spare” was expected to spend his life in service to the “heir”. Why would anybody want to live like that?
I saw.a documentary about Frederick and was very impressed by him. He openly said he didn’t not want this position as King but has made peace with it after many years. He is very sporty and l.think he did brilliantly and excelled in the Danish Army and Special.Forces.. l believe he had a girlfriend for many years that he wanted to marry but his mother put a stop.to.that.
I agree he was very close to his younger brother as they lived upstairs in de castle with their nanny for many years, his royal mother was not very maternal hence only had each other.as it was a very lonely life. Such a shame if that are no longer in touch really.
Yeah – I think there is some hot tea still to be spilled.
Also, it’s kinda creepy that Joachim’s 2nd wife is the double of Mary. According to some parts of the interweb Joachim has always harboured a fixation with Mary and its apparently one of the reasons they are not close any more – J made it obvious he was in love with his brothers wife (or something like that).
Royal drama – HW couldn’t make it up.
I could swear there were reports of Fredrick’s extra curricular activities for quite a while. Even that Mary’s move to Gstaad was like a mini during the week separation to give Fred space.
Fred cheated on his long-time girlfriend with Mary in Australia, went back to her for months after, and he’s cheated on Mary from the start. Mostly he cheats with young blondes, Mary accepts it in exchange for her royal life.
LOL. Marie is not Mary’s double. Other than being brunettes? I don’t think their body or face shapes are alike at all, nor are they alike in personality. Marie is naturally petite but curvy (like Letizia) while Mary is unnaturally dieted to be overthin as Kate has. Joachim was there the night Mary hit on every prince there (himself included) was rejected by all of them (himself included), but only Fred was drunk-enough to fall for it. No, Joachim doesn’t secretly long for Mary. He’s had difficulty hiding his disdain of her through the years.
Oop, good to know. I admittedly don’t know a lot of the background to the Danish royal drama’s. But yeah Fred’s serial cheating is just as well knowns as Peggy’s.
What is the dirt on the break-up of Joachim’s first marriage?
OMG…what a bunch of BS
the only way I could tell them apart in the top photo in this post is by which husband they’re standing with, LOL, so yeah, I think they look a lot alike.
DU, Mary’s buddy admitted they went out hunting princes that evening, and roommates admitted finding Fred in his boxers the following morning in the kitchen. Cheating one night stand which turned in to something else later. The other princes there that night are always a little standoffish when they see her at official events. They remember how it all started with Mary going at them with a chest rubbing contest LOL.
Bay, Alexandra was hugely popular because the Danes wanted a new young princess. The marriage fell apart after their first son was born but Margrethe wouldn’t let them divorce. Baby #2 was bandaid baby but the marriage was over. Alex moved on with Martin while still married to Joachim but the separation hadn’t been announced. Margrethe made them wait until Fred stopped dragging his feet about Mary. They officially separated a few months after the Fred/Mary wedding.
Becks1, I’ve seen others say that but to me they’re not alike. Marie’s face is long and square, Mary’s is wide and heart shaped. Their physiques are very different as are their personalities. Maybe more apparent in different photos and videos.
Compelling story – because if we know anything about aristo men, it’s that they’re the picture of dignity and morality when they go clubbing
Given that three of them were sober enough to turn Mary down, stand aside and watch drunk Fred fall for it as her last choice? Interesting and continues to resonate in their attitudes towards her years later. Fred’s version of ‘morality’ involves cheating with Mary and cheating on her for their entire relationship. And her morality says the deal (cheating husband but royal lifestyle) is worth it.
What an interesting post, Ty, Kaiser. Nice to get news about the other RFs. I’ve always enjoyed hearing about Mary – her story is so interesting and her activity and learning danish and yes fashion choices are all admirable. I love you can see so much of her face in her son.
⁹Yes, I agree.
It’s nice to see another RF here. Learning more about the Danes.
On the other hand, the Dutch royal family is usually quite tame when it comes to drama inside the family, but I wish Celebitchy had been there for the “Princess Margarita drama”.
She is only one of the cousins of the king, but she and her then husband were particularly entertaining when they turned on the RF (she quickly returned to the family and they divorced but it was a big thing while it lasted). Lol, forgot his name too, but it was something that sounds pretentious in Dutch.
I think the Dutch RF have much more leeway as their country and themselves are much richer. I believe the Dutch RF cost more per capita than the BRF, and are worth much, much more. So extended family can be some what taken care of privately.
The Bosch palace cost over 50m € to renovate and they renovated away.
The Dutch aren’t free of controversy. They purchased land for a rich enclave in Mozambique but had to sell after protests. Their vacation home in Greece is criticized and no one wants to admit how much taxpayer money is spent securing it. They also went off on a foreign holiday during COVID lockdown, prime minister got in trouble for giving approval, they were yanked back after one day. Their ranch in Argentina doesn’t seem to draw as much controversy, maybe because fewer people know about it. I am worried about the safety of their kids though, given Amalia had to move back to the Palace for security reasons.
I appreciate Queen Margarethe gracefully, shamelessly aging… but oh my lord those teeth are so yellow!
Smoking will no doubt cut years from her life. Smoking also ruined her teeth.
These royal family dynamics are a rinse and repeat aren’t they? Fredrick behaving like Charles and being labeled by a distant mother as “sensitive”. Exiling the the “spare”. Just the same uncomfortable narrative.
I was just going to say the same thing, just change the names and its almost the same story. Joachim even had a biracial first wife and their kids are losing their titles. Its kind of creepy.
Abolish All monarchies and let these people live their own lives!
What is it with two brothers who are going through some sort of sibling rivalry, and their wives who either compete with each other or just simply don’t get along??
This theme is so apparent in any type of family (royal or not). I’m also going through the same thing with my in laws. I’m going through the same challenges with my SIL, that’s why I can empathize with Meghan ( and admittingly have been posting some comments here as a sort of release).
So what did Joachim do that the Danish public does not like/has a rocky past with?!
Fred has been very vocal about the fact that he had no parents to speak of. They were raised by household staff and tolerated by the Queen and Prince. He and Mary were adamant about not doing that to their own children. That’s why it didn’t surprise me about the stripping of titles. It’s all business to her, kinda like Betty’s relationship with her children. They did not have a mother; they had a boss.
Prince Joachim like Prince Harry had a good reputation until the last couple of years. CP Frederick was not like Charles, but was thought as lazy I remember less than a decade ago. The press concentrated more on his brother. CP Frederick had lots of rumors of affairs and he allegedly had a separate apartment. That is a lot like the rumors of BRF. Except Mary begin to do a lot more engagements and she was thought of as more hardworking compared to her husband. The idea that Joachim had a thing for Mary is laughable, because he reportedly never really liked her. Who keeps putting that our? Mary? The Queen’s sister still receives funding and they want to move their children in. It has been rumored that Princess Isabella will start doing some engagements slowly and like the British family the cost will rise in the coming years. The British royal family is at its most expensive and so will the Danish apparently. This isn’t about cost-cutting but making sure their family is on the dole. The Wales want Charlotte and Louis to be working royals and they shouldn’t they should go away and have a normal life. It’s so toxic, people shouldn’t have to move because they are forced by family and the press backs it up. It’s such a selfish toxic system that gives selfish toxic people. Joachim did keep the house money, but Frederick did lots of stupid things that the press never comments on like the British. It’s all wrong.
Joachim hasn’t been popular since he divorced Alexandra in 2004. Apparently his ex-wife helped to damage his reputation. His popularity got lower and lower over the years. Fred has always been the popular one.
Wow, I read the VF piece and these people, I mean I just can’t muster any sympathy for these rich white royals. I mean the queen’s husband sounds like an absolute privileged misogynistic a hole. His whining reminded me of the “Sweet 16” show I used to watch on MTV and the spoiled kid getting absolutely furious and throwing a fit that their parents didn’t get them their Hummer in white and got a black one instead. And for Joachim’s ex to say that her oldest son asked “What are they going to put on my passport now?” I mean seriously? That’s the line you put out for sympathy? IDK, maybe I’m just in a bad mood today but these people will always have privilege no matter what happens and be better off than 99% of the worlds population.
Henrik was definitely a difficult character. But VF should’ve at least noted that his public outbursts in later years, particularly the interview and his refusal to be buried with the queen, came when he was already suffering from Alzheimer’s.
Royalty practices the abuse they’ll inflict on strangers by abusing their own family. They wreck their children’s psyches, and then those children grow up to be terrible, which keeps the monarchy — and the power structure it sustains — going. Abolish every monarchy. They are always evil.
I don’t feel sorry for Joachim. He’s lived a very good life off of Danish taxpayers and so have his wives for very limited work and is always in the press, usually for something negative. His older sons are also taking advantage of their titles with their modeling contracts and fees. I’m ok with all of his kids losing their titles.
Joachim and Marie wish they had the charisma of Harry and Meghan.
I do think Vincent and Josephine may have their princely titles downgraded when they get married. That’s fine as long as they all agree to it.
All three younger children should have HRH and titles downgraded now. Now we learn, from leaking staff, Fred and Mary are trying to shove Izzy on the royal dole. They publicly stated otherwise years ago, but now Fred&Mary are trying to get more taxpayer money for their kids for a lifetime. They’re not looking to decrease the costs of the monarchy, they’re trying to pull the wool over peoples eyes and establish multiple kids as working royals.
Joachim and Marie seem to be taking the fall because of the bad family dynamics and entitlement (Fred/Mary). All the DRF is doing is setting Izzy up to be in the same bad situation as Joachim once Christian’s (future) kids get close to 18. Either Margrethe isn’t learning her lesson, Fred & Mary are greedy to have their kids keep titles and never work in the real world, or both.
It’s not unreasonable for Isabella (or Bella; no one calls her Izzy) to be a working royal for a time in her 20’s. I doubt she will be 50 with 4 kids still living off Danish taxpayer money like her uncle and aunt. Isabella is the spare until Christian has 1 or 2 kids of his own. Christian could suddenly die before he has kids so Isabella does need to be on standby and be careful in her behavior but the twins don’t need to do that. The likelihood of both Christian and Isabella dying without any heirs is extremely unlikely. Isabella will likely marry well (like her mother) and will phase out her role as being the spare in due time. Joachim on the other hand still sees himself as the spare even though Christian is almost 18 and Isabella is almost 16.
Mary and Fred are the CP couple; they will be King and Queen. That is Fred’s birthright. The entitled one here is Joachim and Marie. His job of being spare was over when Isabella was born.
Joachim still has his title so why should Isabella, Vincent, and Josephine be automatically downgraded when they will be daughters and son of a King. You aren’t even being consistent.
All you’re doing is making excuses for this move while pretending Izzy isn’t the next Joachim. Joachim was made a working royal for 30 years, than the rug was pulled out without warning. He didn’t make that choice, the royals changed their minds years later and are trying to blame Joachim for it.
You think it isn’t unreasonable for Izzy to be raised to be on the dole for 30 years, then be forced off it just like Joachim to provide PR cover for her brother’s kids? They’re just setting Izzy up for the same fall.
The DRF constantly overspend, it is no surprise to see Fred/Mary trying to get their kids positions on the lifelong dole at someone else’s expense. It speaks of greed to me, just like W&K. Accept that only the heir will be on the payroll and move on. Either they learn their lessons or Izzy gets roasted three decades from now. You’d think they’d care more about their kids than that, but apparently not. Being a royal poodle doesn’t require extensive training, Izzy isn’t required to be raised to step in at any time. A few months of training, should something happen to Christian, would be more than enough.
If titles are to be removed from anyone who isn’t a working royal? It is absolutely consistent to say remove them from the three younger kids now to spare this type of mess years from now. Just like Sweden and Norway have already done in a way.
You are making this personal and for what reason I have no idea. Constantly referring to Isabella as Izzy when no one calls her that.
I don’t care if she gets an apanage or not but it wouldn’t be unprecedented for her to get one (or takeover whatever Joachim is getting) because she will likely be doing some royal duties for some time in her 20s. When Margrethe dies within the next 5 years Isabella when will be doing royal duties at least part-time because Christian won’t be married and they should both be either close to finished with university or already finished.
The only difference is that she needs to have a clear timeline unlike her uncle. Maybe she can receive apanage from 21 to 30 or until she gets married, whichever comes first. There was no timeline for Joachim and that’s why he’s in the position he’s in, trying to maintain a lifestyle that he isn’t entitled to anymore as an adult. The twins aren’t being raised to see themselves as lifelong working royals but Isabella is the spare and if Christian were to not have children then she and any possible descendants will represent Denmark.
Joachim isn’t a child. He’s an adult male of 50+ years with 4 kids. You are trying to make excuses for him for why he isn’t able to let go and move on from being the possible of King of Denmark.
All children of the King and Queen of Norway and Sweden have princely titles. What are you even talking about? Carl Philip and Sofia even still works for the royal family. You are not being consistent. You just hate Mary because she got the Crown Prince I guess.
So it’s ok for Joachim to continue to accept his apanage and still live abroad but bad for Isabella to be a working royal in Denmark for a short time in her 20s (or until she’s married). Bella is greedy but not Joachim. Make it make sense.
Why do you keep referring to her as Izzy?
All of the children of the King and Queen of Sweden and Norway have princely titles.
‘Isabella will likely marry well (like her mother) and will phase out her role as being the spare in due time. ‘
This isn’t the first time you’ve spouted this sexist rhetoric. You seem to think Izzy’s entire role is to 1) be a drain on taxpayers as long as she’s convenient and 2) ‘marry well’. Honestly you think, in nearly 2023, that’s what she should aspire to do? For me, that negates every other argument you might try to make.
So it’s ok to make sexist remarks about Mary because you don’t like her?
And how is saying a Princess will likely marry well sexist? You think a Prince or Princess is going to marry a working class guy or a wealthy man/investment banker like Princess Madeleine did. Vincent will likely marry an Heiress like Pavlos and so will Josephine. Isabella is a Princess and she will likely marry well just like her mother. That’s not a bad thing.
Marriage is about partnership and financial stability. Almost everyone aspires to marry well.
Gosh, here I was thinking marriage was about love. But in your, and Mary’s version, it is a business arrangement, a stepping stone, and all about money and position. Good to know that’s how you think. You using the deposed Greeks as a positive example? Marie-Chantal’s daddy bought the only prince who would bite. She wanted Felipe, he turned her down. Not admirable or a good example.
Again with you insisting Izzy’s highest possible role in the world is to get married. So incredibly sexist. There is no justifiable reason for Izzy to be a working royal for any period of time. Her brother is the heir, he will do a handful of engagements a year, but will likely not be working ‘full time’ as a royal until he’s 30. No need to have Izzy wandering around, on the dole, also doing engagements.
Joachim was made a working royal, they decided to change that after 30 years. He’s not at fault for that. That’s precisely WHY they shouldn’t make Izzy a working royal for any period. Make it heir and no one else for this generation, so this same drama doesn’t happen again in 30 years. And the staff have now admitted, they didn’t make the change to decrease the number of working royals or the cost. They made the change because someone (Fred and Mary?) are trying to shove more of their kids on the royal dole unnecessarily.
CP and Sofia are useless hangers on, which is why five political parties banded together to put pressure on the King. That’s why he downgraded titles for many of his grandchildren, because of protests about CP/Sofia refusing to get lives and earn their own livings. They pouted for awhile, threatened to leave the country, but as they cannot earn their own livings the sexist king keeps them at the royal trough for now.
It appears to distress you that someone isn’t impressed by Mary. That’s something you’re taking terribly personally. And you using the same playbook as Kate stans? I don’t like Mary therefore you accuse me of being sexist or jealous. Get a new playbook.
Gosh, here I was thinking marriage was about love. But in your, and Mary’s version, it is a business arrangement, a stepping stone, and all about money and position. Good to know that’s how you think.
Again with you insisting Izzy’s highest possible role in the world is to get married. So incredibly sexist. There is no justifiable reason for Izzy to be a working royal for any period of time. Her brother is the heir, he will do a handful of engagements a year, but will likely not be working ‘full time’ as a royal until he’s 30. No need to have Izzy wandering around, on the dole, also doing engagements.
Joachim was made a working royal, they decided to change that after 30 years. He’s not at fault for that. That’s precisely WHY they shouldn’t make Izzy a working royal for any period. Make it heir and no one else for this generation, so this same drama doesn’t happen again in 30 years. And the staff have now admitted, they didn’t make the change to decrease the number of working royals or the cost. They made the change because someone (Fred and Mary?) are trying to shove more of their kids on the royal dole unnecessarily.
CP and Sofia are useless hangers on, which is why five political parties banded together to put pressure on the King. That’s why he downgraded titles for many of his grandchildren, because of protests about CP/Sofia refusing to get lives and earn their own livings. They pouted for awhile, threatened to leave the country, but as they cannot earn their own livings the sexist king keeps them at the royal trough for now.
It appears to distress you that someone isn’t impressed by Mary. That’s something you’re taking terribly personally. And you using the same playbook as Kate stans? I don’t like Mary therefore you accuse me of being sexist of jealous. Get a new playbook.
Oh yea, Harry definitely would have married Meghan if she was some working class girl and not a millionaire and an actress with her own platform. And Marie definitely would have married a garbage man simply because of love and vice-versa. Wake up to reality. There’s also not being impressed and being jealous and you are leaning heavily toward the latter.
The DRF doesn’t have to answer to you. You aren’t even Danish. Isabella will likely do some working royal duties, she’s already done engagements with her mother and grandmother. It bothers you but it will happen. Just because Joachim’s kids can’t represent Denmark doesn’t mean that Isabella can’t.
You calling a child you will never meet by a made up nickname is super weird.
Hmm, so now you have something against Meghan? A woman who built a solid career and earned 5 million in her own money before meeting her royal match? Guess you have a problem with successful women. Are you anti Letizia, Maxima, and Mathilde too, seeing as they all had successful careers pre-marriage too? Harry would have fallen for Meghan no matter what, I think that’s clear. He was a gonner from the first moment they met.
Ah the refuge of the Kate/Mary stan – the fake jealousy card. Again, get a new playbook. I’m not impressed by Mary because I find nothing impressive about her, never have, as detailed above. It is that simple but I get that a Mary stan just cannot stand it. ‘When someone shows you who they really are, believe them. The first time.’ (Maya Angelou). Mary showed who she really was 20 years ago, and you’re showing who you really are too.
There is absolutely no reason for Izzy to work any engagements or to be a working royal for any period of her life. No reason for anyone other than Christian, so where you’re getting this odd idea about Joachim’s kids I don’t know. The issue is the DRF going back on their public statement, as Kaiser points out, which is shady as hell. If they’re slimming down the monarchy and cutting back costs, then Christian and only Christian will be a working royal ever. Now they’re backpeddling and lying, which is worth calling out.
Some people on this thread — one in particular cough — are weirdly obsessed and aggressive and really need to chill out …