Considering what likely awaits us in Volume 2 of Netflix’s Harry & Meghan, what do you think about the pacing? I get the idea behind “volume 1 is their love story and volume 2 is where they survive the onslaught.” Part of me questions the pacing of it, even if I understand why Liz Garbus has done it this way. We have to buy into the fairytale before we see the wicked forces try to tear them apart. That being said, I actually understand why some people had some good-faith criticisms of Volume 1 – there was a lot of space given to “who called which friend during the courtship and here’s a photo to prove it.” I wonder if – once we see the whole project – that was time which should have been better spent elsewhere in the narrative. The question is, do you think Howard Stern is criticizing the series in good faith? Eh.
Howard Stern is fed up with Prince Harry and Meghan Markle following the rollout of the couple’s new Netflix documentary series “Harry & Meghan.” The streamer debuted the first three episodes of the show on Dec. 8, with three more episodes set to follow on Dec. 15.
“It’s been painful,” Stern said of watching the series (via Mediaite). “I don’t — I wouldn’t stay with it, but my wife wants to watch it, so, you know, we have shows we watch, but they come off like such whiny bitches. I gotta tell you man, I just don’t get it.”
“I get Prince Harry being pissed off at the monarchy for his mother,” Stern continued. “They treated her like sh-t…I feel bad for Prince Harry losing his mother and all that. So you got my empathy there. But Jesus Christ, when those two start whining about ‘wah wah wah, and they don’t like me’ and she wants to be beloved in this country…it’s just very weird to watch two people who keep screaming, ‘We wanted our privacy, we wanted the press to leave us alone.’ And then what is their special that they put out on Netflix — showing you them and their kids and their life. It’s like the Kardashians except boring. You know what I mean?”
Stern expressed confusion over what Harry and Meghan want out of releasing their six-part Netflix series, asking, “Where do you go with this? Is this your career…talking about how humiliated you were being part of, I don’t know, living in a castle — and it’s hard to relate to. It’s like, it looks pretty terrific to me. If it was me, I never had to worry about money and never had to worry about work.”
Stern predicted that one day Harry will leave Meghan, telling his listeners, “I think he’s eventually not gonna dig her. I’m telling you.”
I think this shows that the Windsors’ and British media’s talking points have absolutely infiltrated the American media and American consciousness. Stern is mimicking a lot of what’s being said on the Daily Mail, The Telegraph, The Daily Express, the idea that Harry & Meghan had a wonderful life in the UK and they threw it all away by whining about privacy. Which brings me back to the pacing of the series, and how Netflix split it up into two volumes – I do wonder if some of the giddy-and-effusive-love-story space in Volume 1 would have been better spent building up the behind-the-scenes moves to show that nothing was at it seems, that there were already big forces working against them from the start.
As for Stern’s comment about Harry leaving Meghan eventually… again, that’s mimicking a talking point from Britain. Maybe that was Stern’s genuine reaction to the series, but it definitely plays into a years-long campaign to convince everyone that Harry will eventually leave Meghan and “come back” to the UK. And of course, Stern also seems to have a big problem with Black women having nice things or showing off their wealth and success. It must be particularly triggering for Stern to see a white prince loving and adoring his Black wife.
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What a horrible thing to say about anyone. I hope he’s happy where he is.
Geez.
Hater Much?
He’s just an ugly old misogynist and racist!
You can say that again!
Well, let’s put it this way, he’s never seen a Black woman having a good life without wanting to put a stop to it.
Yeah not surprised since he’s a racist. He wants Harry to be with a white woman.
I’m sure Howard hates Diana for not being the meek princess and dating non white men.
@sam. Yes! That sums him up. If he tired of them he can tune out. He just miserable
Like your boss harry is. No wonder they know each other
Yup.
And I know commenting things like “who cares?” is a jerk move, but it does feel apt here. Who cares what Howard Stern’s hot take is on H&M? I’m guessing he doesn’t know them personally, he obviously formed his opinion based largely on racist, hateful media and not the content of the story they were telling, his take is the same take he always has on everything (essentially, “what’s the biggest d8ckhead thing I can say here?”) so…why on earth would he feel anyone is interested in his views on this?
He’s really trying to be relevant. I actually thought he was dead; but look who popped up from the grave.
Dude had a major facelift.
In the old days people would go wild when he said anything. Now no one cares.
Go away Howie.
I was thinking a neck lift. Face, too, probably. Looks “good for his age”, I’ll give him that. Even if he is surgically enhanced.
He also said Sarah Michelle Gellar and Freddie would divorce and look at them now. They even recently mocked Howard Stern for this. He isn’t one to talk, he was pretty bad to his first wife.
I still remember when his first wife miscarried he he did an on-air bit about it. Horrible human
Yeah, he’s pretty pathetic. He tried to make them sound stupid by oversimplifying the entire situation and he sounds like an abuse enabler. Yes, it’s so simple, why didn’t they just stay and be rich? What a bunch of spoiled brats because I, a rich white man, can totally compare what I would do in that situation. He has no idea what it means to be royal or a biracial woman so his opinion is meaningless.
The thing that people refuse to get is that they were left to die. They left the Kingdom to them and their security was pulled. That would be the end of caring for those people for me if I was them. They could be killed by haters of them, people who hate mixed couples, people who hate royals, people who hate colonizers, or just anybody. They were not financially independent. The great irony is that they are doing this so that they can pay for what is needed so they can leave the Kingdom to onky white people. And people are still mad.
Horrible human 10000+.
Howard Stern is a has-been time to retire and check your cognitive competence.
Howard Stern is an idiot along with a misogynist and racist! He bet a $1,000,000 during an interview with Freddie Prinze Jr. that Freddie’s marriage with Sarah Michelle Gellar wouldn’t last a year, which they are now going on 10 years together!
Guess what else!?
Stern has welched on his bet and Prinze/Gellar are still waiting for that $1,000,000.
Stern is not worth the condom that broke to produce that SOB!
Known racist white man toes the white supremacist talking points.
He was attacking Oprah a few weeks ago.
I don’t know what his wife Beth sees in him.
She sees dollar signs in him. Lots and lots of $$$. Like a cartoon.
Okay Howie striving for relevance by being famous Black woman adjacent again? Your last headlines was for Oprah being “too rich”, now Meghan and Harry “too in love”. Who’s next Angela Basset is “too talented?”Predictable. You’ve got a long history of bad blackface behavior. Please go away.
I forget he is even still around until he lets his racist mouth spew 💩. (And it always seems to be against black women)
Thank you for reminding everyone about his vile Oprah comments. HS is awful and hides behind Robin Quivers. That said, even though he’s terrible and (like much of the rest of the world) spewing RR talking points, he is a talented interviewer. I do know people who are not anti H&M nor pro BRF, but they had difficulty watching the series. It’s slow TV, so while super popular, HS might have a bit of a point. That said, I loved it and appreciated hearing from H&M themselves.
He’s just so privileged existing in his little echo chamber for years hearing how great and successful he was till he wasn’t even relevant. White hierarchies love building up personalities like his. Now he’s mad and applying his racist and sexist filter to these two humans perpetuating more harm on them. Gotta pile on so he can get his good boy pats from his true masters. Gross!
Yeah I want to love Beth because of all her amazing cat adoption work 😻 but how she can stand that douche I’ll never comprehend
The douche treats Beth differently than he treats people like Oprah and Meghan.
Perhaps she’s doing it for teh kittehs. 🐱
Never have liked Stern. He has always come across as misogynistic and racist to me. Even with his supposed “self-improvement”.
Unfortunately Howard, like many, are profiting off of bashing Megan, they do not care. There are many men and women in the world that have family issues, but they are not talking about them. Why? They are not profitable
Yeah. And it’s the same with talking about H&M’s life. Many people write books and articles and go on and on about things from their lives without being told they are overdoing it and it’s time to move past it but every time H&M say anything, it’s time to move on.
I didn’t click on the article when it landed yesterday and was hoping you’d cover it so I wouldn’t be giving it any life online. Stern is a piece of work, opinionated about everything, and definitely not always right.
He’s definitely bought into a shallow narrative and hasn’t been interested in actually listening to what they, or Black women for that matter, are saying about the Sussexes’ plight. More importantly, he doesn’t get that it’s your family members always talking trash about you behind your back. And publishing it to the world! Think about it: would you want a family like that? Both the Windsors and Markles are absolute trash, but I’d argue the Windsors are worse because they hide behind others. At least the low-brow Markles spew their venom with their own mouths. It’s a class thing, I guess.
> I think this shows that the Windsors’ and British media’s talking points have absolutely infiltrated the American media and American consciousness.
Well said. On another thread someone mentioned people in their friend group hate Meghan…and I think that’s more normal than some here would think. I told some people who have no knowledge of the royal family about the documentary and they started by looking it up on their phones…many completely legitimate news outlets are parroting British tabloid smears. Reddit is inundated with comments repeating the same talking points on wanting privacy and being privileged. I see tabloid talking points EVERYWHERE.
I’ve often seen this guy’s name, but I don’t know what he’s actually famous for.
He’s a shock jock with a long-standing radio presence. He’s known for racism and mysogyny.
He had to issue an apology after his comments about Selena right after she was murdered.
Ugh go away Howie 💩
Showing his ass live on stage like a complete idiot.
Hey, remember when Prince Harry did that too?!?
He was actually a local drivetime DJ when I was in high school. Got fired for making a terrible joke after a fatal plane crash.
He did have one funny bit, which was doing the weather as God. There was a number you could call and report good or bad things people had done. He’d do the weather in a radio announcer “God” voice, saying that it was raining because Mike in Gaithersburg hadn’t taken out the trash, despite being reminded several times.
But he’s had the same shtick for 40 years now, the world is terrible, everybody is busting his balls, why is everybody so stupid, blah, blah, blah. And it’s not just him. I commute via public transit, so I read on my way to work, but when I’ve been in a car during the morning commute, I’m astonished by the constant stream of misogyny and whininess on the radio. No wonder American workplaces have so many problems if this is the garbage everybody is stewing in on their way to work. I have to image this was where a lot of Americans got their Meghan hate from, because these guys always take their cues from the tabloids.
these whiny white men, always complaining that snowflakes whine too much! too dumb to get the irony tho.
Howard Stern, “blah blah blah. Blabbity blab blab. Blah blah baaaaa ba.”
As the trophy wife fetches his slippers before leaving for her f/u appointment with her Botox consultant.
Howard Stern has always been a jerk. He’s definitely a misogynist, him talking shit about Oprah “showing off” her wealth and now Harry and Meghan whining is indicative of who his is. I think because he has had some reasonable points through the years about Trump, Covid, the election etc. people think he’s grown or reasonable. He sucks. Period.
Super rich, white man said what? I’m SHOCKED.
The show wasn’t made for you, dude. They’re making content, just like you. I’m sorry their lived experience is different than yours, but that doesn’t mean it didn’t happen or they’re not allowed to feel how they feel.
Howard unleashed the orange one on the world the same way he did the Osbournes. In the 80s and 90s DT would be on his show and Howard encouraged him to act the way he does now — DT was on his show many times. If you look at how the orange one acts it’s the same as Howard did for years – say whatever you want the more offensive the better. These guys that act like the orange one all follow the Howard playbook. Same with MTG and the lot of them. The only reason HS distanced himself from the orange one is because he knows he was the first to give him the platform. Howard is also incredibly misogynistic and racist – he stopped being openly so when he wanted some of that sweet mainstream cash from his judging talent shows and because he wants to be accepted by the mainstream.
It’s amazing that he considers these things “whining”:
The racist tabloid articles about exotic DNA thickening the Windsor blood, straight outta Compton, etc.
Doria and Meghan talking about being stalked by photographers
The Markles running to the tabloids /Thomas trying to stop the wedding by faking a heart attack.
Funny that Stern has sympathy for White Diana but none for what was done to Meghan Markle. And we haven’t even touched on the worst of it yet.
Some misogynists are capable of displaying empathy for Diana only because she’s dead. If it weren’t for that she’d probably be dismissed as a whiny little bitch too. But I also think some of it is Howard Stern’s racism. He so badly needs to be seen as a cool, tough, politically incorrect rags-to-riches white dude who isn’t afraid to tell rich women of color to STFU.
That tactic is what Public Enemy called “heartbeat props”—praising the dead after lambasting them while they were alive. Right-wingers do it with African-American figures like MLK Jr. all the time. 🙄🙄🤮
I think the way the documentary sets up is just right because their love story has been lost in the smear campaign. Meghan’s been called a schemer and gold digger whose only after Harry’s money and fame. That was the prevailing view that was put out there by the British press and the Palace. So it needed to be addressed. I don’t really care about what Howard has to say about anything. He’s a millionaire too.
Agreed Amy Bee. I think the pacing is fine. Talking about all of the work these two have done separately is important ( especially Meghan)
I think they did show how the racism kicked in from the media as soon as their relationship was revealed.
My only worry is that M & H will continue to address things in general language and absolve Harry’s family members. Who precisely is the “They” that keeps being referenced in regards to the attacks?
You know, the funny thing about genuinely liking a spouse is that you don’t fall out of love with them. You can meet as kids when passion and hormones are high, and then suddenly you’re graying adults with jobs and a mortgage and a houseful of needy goblins constantly begging to be fed, when the end of every day can feel like you’re Frodo and Sam clinging to each other on the side of Mt. Doom amidst the wreckage that was once your living room. All of that, and you can still feel a thrill when you see them walk through the door, still feel comforted when you feel their arm flop over you in the night. It’s not a fairytale, it’s not a perfect, it’s full of the usual nonsense, but if the fundamentals are there, their company never gets old. I always hope that’s what everyone is getting with marriage.
Sorry, Howard, that you live with so much cynicism and scorn for others.
Love this scenario and happy for you and your family! Y’all sound like lovely people.
@Still In My Robe: Exactly. Well said. Love always wins!!!! Because true love always remains, persists, shines through, and grows over time. I believe that’s how it will be for Harry and Meghan.
I must say, I can see what Stern is saying , and it’s not because I don’t like them , it’s more because I have over exposed myself to what’s going on around them, that the other narrative are starting to seep into my consciousness, I have to keep myself off Twitter so my view doesn’t get clouded by the other stuff, I don’t read the papers but see a lot of the commentary from supporters of H&M. I don’t think he will get tired of her but it will be a different adjustment once the dust settles, right now we are in a holding pattern, They do something or not and the reporters are on their case after a few months they respond and the cycle continues, there is no break in transmission. I hope after this they move on to do what they really want and ignore what ever reporters and the palace put out someone needs to break the cycle
It isn’t possible to move on if the British rags, Charles, Camilla, Will and Kate keep trying to destroy them. Salt Iskand needs to move on first.
But why is the narrative that HE will get sick of HER? It’s a subtle way of saying she doesn’t deserve him for…reasons. Why is he the super special prize that she has to scramble to keep?
Exactly. It’s clear from the episodes I’ve seen so far that Harry has always viewed being Royal as a liability in the dating world and that if he could find a woman willing to put up with it he would be the lucky one. It’s also clear to me what he sees in her and vice versa. She’s very warm and charismatic and engaging and he is drawn to her energy. He seems sensitive and caring and funny and and socially aware and she is drawn to that.
Now if someone were commenting that their relationship is still young and may or may not stand the test of time – maybe that’s fair if not unnecessary. But it’s very telling that Howard clearly does not feel attracted to Megan so he jumps right to not being able to understand why Harry is with her and making mean-spirited comments about Harry losing interest in the mother of his children. It’s so dumb
I’m not sure it’s clear that Howard is not attracted to Meghan. Piers Morgan was clearly attracted to Meghan and spews strait-up up toxicity about her. He’s just repeating misogynist tabloid talking points made by the overlords of the papers. Having Harry leave her is the equivalent of being stoned in the public square for these men.
@ Looseseal, I think it’s because his wife told Howard that she wished he looked at her like Harry looks at Meghan 🤣
I’d wager there’s some projection going on here. HS made a movie in the 90s that was more-or-less a love letter to his first wife. He was still a douchenozzle, don’t get me wrong, but he seemed to adore her. They broke up soon afterwards. I have no details, but my guess is she got sick of his schtick and left.
Since then he’s turned predicting the failure of celebrity marriages into his personal side hustle, despite being remarried himself. So he thinks H&M’s marriage will fail. Okay. I doubt it, but if it does the conventional wisdom seems to be that it’s Meghan who would tire of Harry and move on (because even the haters acknowledge that she appears to be the brighter of the two.) That hits too close to home for our Howard, though, so he’s got to formulate it as Harry leaving Meghan. That’s the only way it makes sense for a dude who claims to have watched even part of the series to come to this conclusion.
I know there is this perception that Harry and Meghan are “stuck in a holding pattern” constantly rehashing the things that have happened to them, but I think that’s the fog that’s been purposely created and maintained by the press. Because if you look at the last couple of years, the two of them have been working consistently on all of their *new* projects, deepening relationships with other orgs, and establishing new partnerships. They haven’t been wasting time responding to each and every lie reported about them in the press. Their team takes legal action when the lies are particularly egregious (e.g., the publishing of Meghan’s letter to her dad, the story that Harry wanted the taxpayers to fund his police protection), but otherwise they have very much been “getting on with it.” Travalyst is growing and expanding in very exciting ways, Archewell Foundation has been doing great work with World Central Kitchen (along with a host of other orgs, all discussed on their website), Invictus is gearing up for what looks to be a great competition (and I’m really looking forward to the docuseries on that), and the media arm of the company is off to a great start.
I think it’s unfortunate, because the briefing and the lies and the smear campaign have continued on, and because the Firm & BM don’t have access to H&M there’s nothing new to reveal, so the smear campaign depends on recycling the same material over and over again. The difference is that Harry and Meghan have only gone on the record to talk about it a handful of times: Oprah, The Me You Can’t See, and that episode of Dax Shepherd’s podcast in 2021; a couple of print interviews with Meghan and now the docuseries in 2022; Harry’s book in 2023. That’s hardly any time at all, compared to what’s been dominating headlines for the last 5+ years.
Tell that to the tabloids, Lilli. Harry said he has to finish this chapter to move on to the next chapter and that is what he is doing. He is letting go and will move forward with his life. The tabloids will never move on. They NEED him back.
We always see these men who believe themselves to be edgy non-conformists (and maybe were, at least about some things) age into the opinions of and become like the old guard they used to rebel against. They never seem to see it themselves, though.
Exhibit B: Dave Chappelle.
I mean, this is exactly what I assumed Howard Stern’s take would be. He hates black women and having original thoughts.
The fact that variety is giving this trash online space after Meghan gave them an exclusive interview is enough proof that the Sussexes are better of embracing smaller new outlets and even possibly social media. Because from the cut to variety to my times it’s so embarrassing
Let’s look at him like the rest of the past freshness date troupe, all trying to become relevant. Howard, Megan, Sharon, and I can go on and on with the list of has-beens, begging desperately for attention of a past best left on the dusty shelves.
You have to respect the person making disparaging comment to actually care about what they say, I have zero respect for Howard Stern, never have and never will. I offer no criticism of the Harry and Meghan document-series because I am not a producer and I do not understand the process of pulling something this historic together. I enjoyed every reference, every utterance and applaud Ms. Garbus vision and the Sussexes courage. Always amazes me when in hindsight with a finished product, folks share their would have could haves. Easy to offer criticism when you are on the sidelines. Sharing lived experiences is not easy to do or govern.
I don’t think that he repeated any media talking point, he’s quite capable to saying whatever he wanted to say. He has a major issue with Black people, especially those in positions of power or privilege. And I would wage a lot of money that he wouldn’t say anything like that if Prince Harry had married a Jewish woman. That’s just how he is.
Stern said the same thing about Freddie Prinze Jr and Sarah Michelle Gellar before they were married. He had Freddie on his show and bet $1 million he and Sarah would not make to their 20th anniversary. SMG recently posted on Instagram celebrating her and Freddie’s 20th anniversary and told Stern to pay up. I don’t know if he actually has though but this seems to be a theme with him and other couples.
Maybe he’s unhappy in his own relationship? Also, first he complained about Oprah sharing pictures of her home on social media. Now he’s complaining about Meghan speaking out about the abuse she suffered from a racist institution. And he thinks her white husband will eventually dump her.
Does Howie have a problem with women of color? I wonder what Robin Quivers thinks?
Robin probably gets paid handsomely for her role in giving him cover for all the racist misogynistic things he says.
Exactly. Robin is a well paid enabler.
This is a man whose entire life has consisted of being paid enormous amounts of money for having scathing opinions, many of them derisive of women and minorities. Of being worshiped for those opinions, even by those who should know better.
Nothing to do but ignore him. It’s really too late to bring him down a notch. He is what he is and what our culture paid him to be.
Hot take, Howard (eye roll).
1 – they don’t care what he thinks.
2 – he doesn’t know them. I could say Howard will fall out of love with his wife too – same info, same impact – zero
3 – how can one empathize about Diana, and not recognize that Meghan was being treated the EXACT SAME WAY
4 – any other Black women he’d like to criticize? He seems to be on a roll.
Did HS want to interview H&M and they passed?
Stern also said for a million bucks he bet that Freddy Prince jr and Sarah Michelle Gellar weren’t going to last either and when she went to collect on his promise he conveniently forgot he shit on their over 20 yr marriage. Any other hot takes Howard?
He is not one to talk his first marriage broke up.
No, he dumped his wife.
Howard you need a new wig.
I broke up with a serious boyfriend over his love for Stern in his morning radio days. I thought Stern was a misogynist, racist and bigot. My BF “didn’t see it” and thought he was funny and wise. Boy bye.
He thought Stern was wise? Good move ditching that one.
Good call.
Stern is a tabloid himself, only verbalizes instead of print. Always has been always will be a pig. In the same bin as Rogan, Limbaugh etc.
Douchebag gotta douche, I guess. Go change your diaper Howard, you stink!
He’s projecting his own issues because he is on what his second wife now?
Also if Harry ever wanted to do a stern interview his position would change in an instant.
Stern can be a good interviewer when he wants to, there is just so much of that shock jock baggage still there.
“ I do wonder if some of the giddy-and-effusive-love-story space in Volume 1 would have been better spent building up the behind-the-scenes moves”
It would have been. I think the filmmakers did them a bit of a disservice there. I had a conversation with a friend who doesn’t follow them but watched the series and she was pretty bored by it. Her exact reaction was “ok we get it. You met and fell in love. Move on”
I think as some others have mentioned that it’s a build up. This filmmaker has experience so knows what she’s doing. She’s showing that they are just normal people falling in love and the media response and the hatred is over the top for no more than that.
It is a build up, that’s true. But it wasn’t as successful as it could have been. Just because she “has experience” doesn’t mean she can’t make mistakes. It’s not just me and my friend, it’s also the professional criticism that is coming from places like Variety.
Yeah, I find it kinda poorly paced. Either they should’ve brought more topics in earlier or they should’ve made this first part about their love story shorter (like 1.5 hours instead of 3). I listen to audiobooks sped up, and so feel like this documentary moves at a snail’s pace lol, with extremely long pauses just to show pictures.
I understand what they are doing, I think – trying to combat the tabloid narrative that has been part of their story since they first went public, and trying to show people that their relationship is solid and very very real. I also think they are trying to capture the happiness and excitement they felt as they were engaged and getting married.
But, I do think some segments dragged a little bit. I feel like there is a LOT that needs to be covered in the next three episodes.
I tried to get my husband to watch—he doesn’t have opinions on the BRF stuff despite my interest—but he found the series “slow” and “boring.” I don’t like to stererotype but the first bits about the love story *are* very interesting to people who already have an interest (like me). I think if you are not that engaged to begin with, it might bore some, like my sports/explosions/mafia/action/suspense fan husband.
I agree that the pace is all wrong. I was excited to watch this show, but not gonna lie, somewhere early in the third episode, I flat out fell asleep.
It’s extremely difficult to find a good faith criticism, but I agree that the pacing was a bit slow. I personally found Harry’s discussion of how the Firm works to be the most interesting piece of the first half. But I’ve been following Harry and Meghan’s story since the beginning, thanks to Celebitchy and Kaiser, so a lot of the info about their love story wasn’t new.
I think this is part of the issue with it, they’re trying to appeal to several different audiences. The parts I found boring were parts that I pretty much already knew. It was fun to see the behind the scenes pictures though. and obviously even the tabloid harassment/abuse – so much of that we (royal followers) know bc we saw it happen in real time, the Compton story, the exotic DNA story, etc.
But, if you were someone watching who thought they were just overreacting, maybe you would see it and think “hmmm. These stories are pretty bad. What is going on there?” and then the Sussexes are trying to explain the racism in the UK and how its different from the US, the way the tabloid press works, the invisible contract, etc. So there’s a lot to take in with each episode.
He seems to have remarkably poor comprehension of the situation. He’s sorry for how they treated Diana and understands why Harry is upset about that yet doesn’t see how Meghan was treated in the same horrific way yet WORSE because of racism?
It’s not and has never been about anyone “not liking” them. It was about very real threats to their safety that the Palace fanned the flames of.
Stern made a feature film, starring himself, so he could get his story out there, much of it focused on his and Alison’s love story, meanwhile he had a triple locked porn room in his basement where his girls lived so maybe he should put things in perspective.
A lot of Americans have no idea that a coordinated smear campaign against the Sussexes (especially Meghan) has been ongoing almost from the very beginning. They get their news about them from the tabloid press if they even pay attention at all. Our media wants access too now that the coronation is coming up.
So many Americans are new to this narrative that the British royals have been abusing H&M that for them when they are just telling their story it sounds like whining. And many Americans have absolutely no idea about the philanthropic work they do. It means that those of us who know the truth need to be very vocal–and very loud.
And Howard Stern is not the most reliable narrator in any case.
“I don’t know, living in a castle — and it’s hard to relate to. It’s like, it looks pretty terrific to me. If it was me, I never had to worry about money and never had to worry about work.” This is the core of what Meghan haters feel. They really hate her for not finding a way to let the castles and the dresses and the fairy-tale image of it all fill her up. Having been given that, she shouldn’t want anything else, ever. Look at Kate! She got the all the royal stuff, and in return, she shut up and shrank. Sure, she’s married to a rage monster, has been shuffled off to Adelaide, and has to worry about her face 24/7, but still, castles! Carriages! Tiaras! That is what is important in life. Meghan is an idiot for not appreciating that stuff and therefore she needs to go away.
If people think racism, bullying, andmental health issues aren’t as real of an issue as food and energy to those experiencing it then their own privilege is showing.
Lol, castles! Those castles look cold and drafty. Also, every time I see pics of buckingham palace, the carpeting looks dated and atrocious. Ugly as hell.
Harper, I really laughed at the never having to worry about money. Really? I guess he’s right as long as H&M were willing to kiss asses–first, C-Rex and then Fails. That’s the only way to get money.
Harper, wow, she should be grateful like Kate who shut up and shrank…that is so sad and true that people think that!
Harper—and she’s a black woman having the nerve to reject things they would sell their souls to have. How dare she. 🙄🙄
I am getting so sick of rich white men saying marginalized people are whining. W.t.f.
Amen to that. We will never get anywhere with white people equating their experiences with the experiences of marginalized folks. And people in general need to stop with the “well I suffered so you should suffer too” nonsense. Meghan’s tabloid treatment crossed so many lines. And for the royal family to say oh well happens to all of us was the definition of tone deaf. That sentiment is what is fueling these white voices.
This is coming from a known racist and misogynist who *checks notes* got sick of his first wife and traded her in for a younger model.
Got it.
Lolololol, Howard Stern is garbage and also the whiniest person I have ever heard. He gets paid millions of dollars a minute so his show is nothing but him complaining at length about… everything. He spent like a year talking about this amazing Starbucks coffee he discovered in *2018* because obviously no one had been going to Starbucks until then. He hasn’t engaged with the world in any real way in ages, has been so isolated with his fame and money that he is utterly laughable when he tries to express concern over the plight of “real people,” and is just an incredibly out of touch, miserable person. That is, of course, on top of being a huge misogynist racist a-hole. There is absolutely nothing he would appreciate about someone else’s love story. He’s just around to revel in other people’s misery.
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If it’s all up to the RACIST-DEMONIC-HATERS (Take-A-💩, Muskrat, MTG, Craze-Nye, DeSatan, etc.) of the world, Planet Earth will be in the condition of The Man In The High Castle. These cretins don’t want any peace for anyone who wants true peace, harmony, and tranquility. In fact, these creature features are so DAMN REACTIONARY, they probably would like the Planet to revert back to the way things were WAY BEFORE The Industrial Revolution! #VERYEVILAF! 🤬
Shut up, Howard.
He knows that a certain type of black women would never go on his show, because of his past.
He changed and a lot of A-type celebrity have done interviews with him.
But not an Oprah,nor a Meghan.
Consequently, he will dust off his misogynoir tropes or just trolling for relevance.
In any case, it is just his opinion in bad form.
Why send bad energy his way, all the bad energy he send out will return to him.
I think they made a mistake not going harder on the horrible racism – the Met police texts, The right winger saying Archie was abomination that should be put down. So much more. They didn’t establish the real sense of overwhelm and danger for people who haven’t been paying attention from the start.
+1. Perfectly stated!
We just got to the wedding. All that stuff is coming up with part 2. It will be a lot heavier. They are pretty much going in chronological order.
I’ve never gotten the appeal of this loud-mouth, talentless butt stain with his cos-play 80’s rocker hair and wanna be ‘bad-ass’ attitude. Worry about your own marriage Mr. Stern….
I think the pacing’s fine. Yes, we get the giddy romance but we also get glimpses of the sinister moves being made against them. Not all in one go, because as they themselves saw it, it’s like a movement at the periphery. When you look again there’s nothing; it seems to be in your imagination and you can shrug it off.
Until the real attack hits, and then it may be too late.
I think this second volume is going to up the ante and show us how what they assumed were minor issues, easily dismissed, built up into something truly terrifying.
Also, to paraphrase President Obama, Howard Stern is a jack@$$.
I don’t get why people snark about the Sussex marriage ending. So what? Does it mean that having children was a waste of time or starting Archewell was pointless? Because Howard Stern divorced his first wife and mother of his children, I guess he wished those kids were never born. Stern was a fool to build a life someone! *eyeroll*
Relationships are forever changing, evolving. People divorce all the time, it doesn’t mean that their marriage was a mistake. The relationship has reached its end. It’s not a gotcha.
These people are jealous and angry that a white man of the most extreme privilege openly adores a woman of color. Their logic is that if Harry & Meghan divorce, he will regret leaving the BRF to save her, their child, and himself. They hope their romantic relationship ending will be Harry’s mea culpa for openly loving his non-white wife.
Also: this has as much to do with misogyny as it has to do with race. Many, many men hate their wives, and distrust the men who don’t.
What an awful person. Harry will never fall out of love with Meghan. She is his world.
Even if their relationship doesn’t make it Harry is never going back to the UK to those wolves. Plus he would never ever leave his kids.
Well said. He would have experienced love on his own terms.
Some Americans are following the BM business model: trashing the Sussexes gets engagement. Some pick up the talking points because they want to say in good with the BRF. But remember there are some who root for the Sussexes. See the reception they got for the Ripple of Hope award ( despite tabloid heckler), Meghan won the People ‘s Choice Award for Archetypes. There was great enthusiasm for the Invictus Games. None of this would happen if the Sussexes were despised by all. The Sussexes have supporters in the UK, and even the RRs who come on US TV have to concede that point. Let’s not forget the Waleses had bad moments on their Carribean and Boston tours, and US media ran those stories. Not everyone buys the BRF dog food.
I do think the pacing of the first 3 episodes is very slow in some places. I support Harry and Meghan and I personally loved all the insider and behind the scenes details of their early romance days–how they first met, their first dates, their trip to Botswana, the transatlantic period where Meghan was flying to the UK, the last hurrah Halloween party with Jack and Eugenie… but even I got a bit bored and found it dragged a bit. I do think they could have condensed it all in maybe 2 episodes, 3 episodes was a lot.
I rewatched with my mom and my mom doesn’t pay attention to the British tabloid press but she really isn’t a Meghan fan. She always calls Harry “wounded” and feels that Meghan “took advantage of him” and whenever I press her how Meghan did that, she never can specify what exactly she means. But there are people who ignore all the media stuff about them who simply aren’t fans of either of them like my mom. And while I don’t agree with my mom about it, I respect her opinion. Not everyone is going to like them but I can’t respect it if it’s because of tabloid media.
In my experience, the people who ignore the tabloid stuff are still exposed to it in small ways that build. Seeing headlines, even briefly. Hearing things on the news. Hearing people talk about it (case in point: I’m in the US and heard a convo at a local store between to older white women moaning about how awful it was that H&M weren’t spending Christmas with “poor Phillip” not long before H&M left the UK for good).
An older family member of Mr TigerM’s is a lot like your mom. She doesn’t like Meghan, doesn’t read tabloids or entertainment press, and can’t articulate why she dislikes her when pressed…beyond vague things that come straight from tabloid talking points. She has no strong opinions about most of the other members of the royal family, other than maybe QE. I suspected she saw headlines in passing and heard talk (even if she avoids it), because sometimes its hard to miss (during QE’s funeral, the Jubbly, Prince Phillip’s funeral, etc.).
When said family member recently mentioned their documentary and said she wasn’t going to watch because of her feelings about Meghan, I asked her again why she formed that opinion. I asked again how she felt about others in the family. She said “I just don’t like her” but then started talking about “no one does” and basically said “Meghan gets a lot of bad press and the others don’t.” So she’s aware of the press, even if she’s not reading all the articles, and it absolutely has impacted her thoughts.
I asked if she knows that most of the articles bad mouthing Meghan come straight from the right wing press in Britain (this family member is very progressive, and very anti-maga and fox). I asked her why she thinks Murdoch owned vehicles are so gung-ho to turn Meghan into a villain. I asked if she really thinks these types of papers are telling the truth about Meghan but lying about everything else. I asked her if she realzed how much money they were making selling papers when H&M are mentioned. I asked if she realized she was being a victim of propoganda the same way maga types watching fox news are. Then I ask her to seriously look into herself and ask why she so easily formed a negative opinion about Meghan when she didn’t even bother to read what was written or critically think about what was being said.
I don’t know your mom and have no idea how her opinions were formed. But I truly belive my husband’s family member was impacted by the tabloid press smears (and her own older white feminist fragility, which comes out at times). The good news is, since then, she’s decided to watch the doc and keep an open mind. Realizing that it right wing press doing all of this opened her eyes. I think that’s one thing about American audiences…they know Fox and distrust it, but they don’t know the UK tabs enough to get that connection.
My mom dislikes the British royal family overall. I think after Diana died, she was done and realized it was a horrible institution. As for Meghan, I don’t know how she came to form her opinion but I know she doesn’t read the Daily Mail etc. So disliking Meghan isn’t really singling her out, my mom hasn’t been impressed with the BRF in a very long time. She thinks Charles is an idiot, there was the whole Prince Andrew/Epstein debacle, and I don’t think Kate impresses her either. So she doesn’t think highly of any of them. You can argue Meghan shouldn’t be lumped in with all of them but that’s not how my mom sees it.
Similarly for me, I grew up intensely disliking Queen Elizabeth. My mom definitely never talked about the BRF to me so she is not the cause. Even though I was only 9, I was very not impressed with how the Queen handled Diana’s death and held a grudge against her ever since. As an adult, my grudge was justified. She was a useless old lady who believed she was chosen by God to serve. We all saw how she handled Prince Andrew’s scandal. I was not sad to see her die though I can appreciate it was a momentous global occasion.
I am a Meghan fan, but I watched the series w family who are not royals watchers. They felt the same way as Stern towards H&M, maybe bc they don’t have the context? Maybe I can see how Harry and Meghan can come off as whiny to people without context. I told them to wait until the series ended for their final opinion, but they seemed to be turned off to them. I don’t think their or anyone else’s opinion is going to stop H&M 🙂
I understand some of the complaints about the pacing. A Sussex fan podcasts described it as Netflix documentary filler, which they do with a lot of their documentary’s where it drags a bit. I feel like they should have mentioned some of the supportive people they did meet in the UK and the positives they were discovering even with the leaks and press, because then you get the pushback. I think with the sustained intense hostility they face in some quarters, I think people like Stern thinks it will eventually wear them down and the man will get tired of it. This was the so-called degree wife who was supposed to be gone already. No one knows what will happen in any marriage, especially under stress, but what I have observed happen with these two is that many people who wanted things to not work out were working very hard to make sure that’s the case. I remember the predictions they’d only last two years, then attacked Meghan day after day and brag no one was supporting them. The late Hilary Mantle commented when they left was to save their marriage, which seems accurate, so while we are getting the “ love story”, there is a lot more than heat and hand holding in their decision and to their marriage.
you know, i’ll be honest, howard stern isn’t the worst. but marriage is not a subject where i’d consider him to have any kind of noteworthy opinion. “man with multiple divorces thinks no man can stay married!” why be outraged? outrage pre-supposes his opinion has relevance. he even admits he only he half-watched because his wife likes it…
More wishful thinking. Plus saying the quiet part out loud. Many white people think Harry made a mistake in marrying beautiful “biracial but we only see her as Black” Meghan and will eventually come to his senses and leave her and their children. They fervently wish for this marriage/family to break up and Prince Harry to be humiliated and humbled for his audacity. That Meghan could ever get tired of and leave Harry really never occurs to them.
Apparently, White people can have flings with non white people but aren’t supposed to marry them and definitely not have kids with them – hence his insistence that Sarah Michelle Gellar’s marriage to biracial Latinx Freddy Prinze Jr wouldn’t last. I’m glad SMG called him out.
The thing is when Harry was dating the aristocratic acceptable blondes, the press kept harassing them and driving them away too. We’ve seen many royal marriages fail and those left white knuckling it with the pressure, so what exactly is his point? A lot of people under the pressure they have would have crumbled by now, we’ve seen people marry and divorce within this time frame. There are no guarantees. Harry and Meghan’s royal divorce in some ways happened with the family. They’ll always be part of each other’s lives through their children and right now, they are committed and still building their lives together. Look at Prince Joachim. When the Danish royals jacked his kids titles, him, the current wife and the ex-wife all rallied together to protest it. A lot of it is thinking this woman of color is less deserving and who they think is worthy.
It’s odd that he can admit that the monarchy treated Diana badly but not understand that they were running the same playbook against MM.
That’s because he doesn’t think what they did to Meghan was bad. He has no sympathy for her. Look what he said about Oprah flaunting her wealth. I was listening to a space of someone who was at Meghan’s Indianapolis event. They said Meghan mentioned marriage and friendship and that she knows she’s a good wife to Harry, a good mother to her kids and a loyal friend. She’s trying her best just like the rest of us and has her stumbles. Stern can project and speculate all he wants, he doesn’t have a front seat to this.
Stern can go suck eggs. He’s become irrelevant over the years and many are tiring of his constant sh*tting all over everyone and everything. Go play with some kittens Howie.
I hate Stern.
If they divorce I’ll be shocked. They seem to have fun and every marriage has its highs and lows. Sometimes 3/5/7/9 years in you just need a reminder of what made you head over heels for this person, especially once there is kids involved and it starts to feel monotonous. Michelle Obama has talked about this repeatedly.
The Sussexes’ marriage seems much more exciting than the Obamas’.
The only explanation is that he’s racist. He probably can’t even consciously admit it to himself. But if Meghan were white and blonde like Diana people would be falling all over themselves to defend her. M & H were deliberately attacked and traumatized by their own family and an entire country plus some. How can these idiots not see that. Oh yeah, it’s their racism blinders.
This dude need to look up the definition of misogynoir.
So at least Stern gets that Harry is in love with Meghan and also sounded like the tabloids and a run of the mill deranger at the same time. It seems the world, and writers are still overwhelmingly mysogynistic. Haven’t read anyone writing or saying that Meghan will fall out of love with Harry eventually. The tabloid press was very much a focus of the first chapter of the documentary. True, they were also focusssing on their love story, but a lot of people aren’t into romantic movies or love storiesand would find their exposition “slow.” Besides, so much of the world thinks they know Harry and Meghan’s love story, and anxious to getting to a few exciting bombs or reallly strong tea. I’m going to assume for the moment that Liz Garbus knows what she’s doing, while waiting for the second chapter. I think some people may be just critical because they wanted a big expose and a lot of dishing of dirt right off the bat. Really big things are being dealt with here- a thousand year old monarchy and the culture of Britain’s tabloid right wing press. I don’t think they can just throw a lot of bombs (what people were expecting and hoping for) and leave a lot of questions in its wake. I do remember that Meghan suggested that when you let someone else direct your story, then you have to let them do it, so she may have had some difference of opinion with Garbus about how the documentary was shaped.
The only Difference between Diana and Meghan are their skin color Diana is supposed to be protect she is white tall and blue eyes . People fall over themselves to make excuse for Kate even on this site to Justified her horrible behavior because she is white . In the words of Malcolm The Most disrespect woman in American is a black woman the most unprotected woman in America is a black woman the most neglected woman in American are black woman . So are any of us who are black woman surprise when you heard a bunch of white man and woman parrot the racist campaign of the British media. According to them we are not worthy of love devotion or protection or being treated like human beings . It’s funny how People are all like oh their whining how many people here would be able to withstand the abuse and attacks that Meghan has to go through.
I do think the pacing of the first three episodes was a little slow, but I certainly don’t see how they came across as “whining.” They very reasonably pointed out how the smearing started as soon as their relationship was revealed, how Meghan was stalked at her workplace, how Harry feared for her, especially given what had happened to his mother.
It was important for the filmmaker to “re-introduce” both of them, and them as a couple, because so much of that has been lost in the whirlwind of events and misinformation. And also to build up the context of how the media has been focused on Harry his whole life, and how that turned into outright harassment.
So while I did find parts of the first three episodes a little anodyne, I get why they did it this way.
As for Stern, his opinion means nothing. He’s been around as a shock jock as long as I can remember. There was a time when his outrageousness was kind of refreshing to people, I guess? And he had some truths to say about Trump. But when it comes to women (especially women of color) and relationships, he has zero credibility.
Agree. I think we tend to forget that there are people who only know this couple through the UK media lens or nit at all unless there is a huge controversy. So we’ve heard a lot of it but a lot was really new to others. I also think they wanted viewers to just see them.
Geez, I continue to be amazed at how many people are pissed at H&M.
Why do so many think that “one day” Harry will see the light and dump her?
They have as much chance of staying together as anyone else.
Live and Let Live. HS has a pretty messy backstory himself, shut up Howard.
They do not fit their fantasy.
Maybe, the Sussexes story is simply not a fairy tale they find enjoyable.
That is perfectly acceptable, just don’t watch.
I don’t get the “whining” claim at all. The paps were harassing Meghan, her mother, her neighbors, they had to fence in the lot where her show was filmed, they were trying to get in her house. A lot of stuff I had never heard before, like the neighbors being offered money to install cameras on their homes to spy on Meghan. I mean wtaf! And don’t even get me started on the death threats. I don’t see how she and Harry stood it. So Howard and people like him can fcuk all the way off with their nonsense.
Ugh, who cares about the stupid opinions of this guy?
I think Stern is an overrated radio celebrity and sorry, I lump him in with Rush and Glenn. And Rogan. All they do is talk shit. All day. Every day. If all you do is talk shit, you’re shit. Period.
I never understand how someone can say “the Royals treated Diana like sh*t” and then argue that H&M are basically lying, whining b*tches. Going with Stern’s logic Diana had no reason to complain because she lift in a palace as well.
The BRF hasn’t changed since Diana, if you think they treated her badly, you know exactly what they are capable of.
I actually don’t know who he is, but reading his comments I am able to find every keyword that is usually used by the pegging side of things.
Never got this man’s appeal and figure it is a statement about a undesirable demographic to be a fan.
CheChe, I think I caught parts of his stuff waaaaaaaay back and was immediately turned off with what he said. Whenever anyone would mention him, I was like, “take him and keep him I don’t want him.” I think the people who think of HS the way that I do will be immediately take the opposite side from his. It’s almost instinctive.
I don’t mind the pacing of the series in terms of the actual length, but I DO think Netflix should have released it in its entirety, because the news cycle is going to sour. I also think they should have put more emphasis on their foundation and charity work. While I like the series and think it’s a quality product, there IS a bit too much focus on Meghan and Harry alone.
“there IS a bit too much focus on Meghan and Harry alone.”
It is because for years, the tabloids lied about who they really are. They simply created a new past for Meghan and in some parts for Harry. So, the first part was reintroduction with the help of both of their friends and family. If they released all of it at once, the conversation would be just on what they said about royal family. The first part and a little time to digest that was very very important in my opinion because just a few months ago, in some british shows, people were saying there was no negative news about Meghan before marriage and every bad news started after she bullied her employees.
I said this on another thread, but I think the splitting of the series was intentional. First half drops: inoffensive to most viewers and relatively boring. It lulls the haters and maybe even the BRF into writing off the second half. The Twitter racists aren’t busy preparing their defense strategies this week because they don’t think they’ll need them. And the BM is playing right into their hand by recycling the same old amplified BS. Then … boom! Second half drops: garden-variety haters caught off guard and the BM on its heels having just done, in plain sight, exactly what they’re being accused accused of doing.
This is my fantasy strategy, anyway.
I’m from the UK so I know who he is and have listened to some of his interviews on YouTube, but he’s not particularly relevant over here. Anyway I remember him interviewing Kim and khloe years ago and asking them about why they love black guys. He kept on asking them like they needed to explain or justify dating someone black. It’s like he couldn’t understand.
Yep, that’s who HS is.
Howard Stern has always had a problem with young pretty women on his shows. He used to just invite them on just perv on them. I never watched him for that reason. I’m sure if Meghan ever agreed to an interview (as if), he’d slivate over her
Here is one of the most controversial moments.
Feb 26, 2022In 1999, a day after the devastating Columbine high school shooting, Stern reported on the incident during his show by making jokes and insensitive remarks about the teenagers’ sex lives. “There were some really good-looking girls running with their hands over their heads,” he said.
I couldn’t believe Bruce Springsteen agreed to an interview with him. Ugh. Ugh. I could not watch.
Maybe have the White House and the most read public papers nationally organize an hour-by-hour hate campaign against him, pouring fuel on every nut job stalker just looking for a reason, then take away his family’s security once the dumpster fire is at fever pitch, and let’s see if he calls it whining then? What a pointless knob.
I am not enraged by the man’s opinion or here to insult him. It’s a tale as old as time to fall out of love. And life these days is LONG. I expect that I would fall out of love with someone at times, and Harry and Meghan’s love will change and feel different throughout their lives. Will they both fall out of love, at times, at some point? It seems likely only because it happens and often. Will they leave each other if they fall out love? I highly doubt it.
They will transform and so will their love. The whole ‘falling’ aspect of love is expected, sure, but their emotional and intellectual love and respect is something slowly built and made to last. They would have to fundamentally change at their cores to stop loving and respecting one another.
Howard Stern hasn’t had to worry about money in a while.
My guess is that he is butthurt that he had to start at the bottom and pay his dues, relying on insult comedy, and dick and fart jokes for easy popularity, and Meghan just walked into broadcasting and instant popularity and made it look easy.
Must be like when mid level authors see a teen idol get a three million dollar book deal while their magnus opus sits on the bargain shelf.
Difference is, she is actually better at it than him.
Haven’t seen much of his wife Beth, but I notice she does a better job playing the besotted and pampered bride when he is not in the room. Every time they were in the room together, she had a stressed look like “please turn off the camera so I can smack him into oblivion.”
I fully expect her to go all Holly Madison on him in the next twenty years.
Lol who cares what this guy thinks!
On an equally valid evidential basis, I think Howard Stern is going to shit a giraffe.
He hates all women. He has always hated all women. He’s said a whole lot of famous women are gonna be dumped by whatever men they marry, and I don’t think race has anything to do with it — he intensely hates every woman there is, and there is not room for more hate against any group of women. Misogyny has always been his brand, his topic, and it’s how he got his wealth and fame.
This is a #yesallwomen situation. Are you a woman? He hates you and wishes your life to be destroyed. No qualifiers. He wants all men to be like him in his hatred of women, too.
And the thing is… let’s say Harry and Meghan divorce. It’d be sad, they’d be sad, we’d be sad. (Salt Island would rejoice and relish it, but whatever.)
Then… what? Is Harry going back and leaving his kids in the USA? Is he bringing his kids into that toxic environment? Never! He’s staying in the States! Anybody with half a brain realizes this! Even before he was married he was constantly looking for excuses to get out of there.
So the whole argument is pointless. He’s gone forever, they need to process it. Except they won’t.
The one thing that stays in my mind-when Stern and Donald Trump were talking about Diana like she was a whore and maybe had aids-Trump was talking about dating her but said she would need an Aids test then Stern said something about you would make her bend over-those 2 son of bitches can go straight to hell and live a happy life there-when I heard them talking and laughing about their comments about Diana I was shocked and appalled they had the nerve to say this publicly-Shitstain Stern of the highest order.
Howard Stern can go pound sand.
He’s always been an awful sleazy repellent cruel creep whose fans are the same. Who cares what he says for slimy ratings? He’s like the other side of the DJT coin and just as big of an ugly douche.
I bet he was rejected by women a lot during his formative years.
And I think Beth fell out of love with him a long time ago but sticks around for the $$$.
What a racist, misogynist pig.