I have a lot of favorite royal-gossip subsets. I love the “Kate is obsessed with buttons” subset. I love the “Sophie tells everyone that she was QEII’s favorite” subset. I love the “Camilla is a boozehound” subset. I’m quickly developing a new favorite about Camilla though: “Sources close to Camilla brief the media that Camilla never briefs the media.” Prince Harry thoroughly exposed Camilla’s horsey press shenanigans and the ancient boozehound just can’t stop herself. She’s been at it so long, all she does is neigh to reporters. The Daily Beast’s Royalist spoke to several of Camilla’s unnamed “friends” for a hilariously obvious piece wherein these friends swear up and down that Camilla never “schemed to be queen.” No, she just ripped Harry and Diana to shreds for the love of the game (I halfway believe that).
While courtiers in the king and queen’s private offices are remaining silent, personal friends of Camilla have been quick to defend her to The Daily Beast. When asked if they believed Camilla had actively sought to be queen, one friend said: “All Camilla ever did was have the bad luck to fall in love with a prince. Literally the last thing she could care about is being queen. It’s absurd, and anyone who knows her knows it is absurd.”
The friend added that while it was well known that Charles wanted her to be queen, the issue was “at the bottom” of Camilla’s priority list, saying, “All she ever wanted was to support the man she loved.”
Another source, who has also known the family for many years, said the attacks on Camilla represented a watershed moment. “It’s profoundly unfair to drag Camilla into it,” the source said, adding of Charles, “He is betrayed, bewildered and angered by what Harry is doing.”
Vanity Fair was told by “a close friend of Queen Consort Camilla” that she has been left “just astounded by the whole thing.”
Other friends have spoken out publicly. The conservative journalist Simon Heffer wrote in the Telegraph, for example, that Harry’s description of her as a mendacious schemer “couldn’t be further from the woman that I have met over the years.” While one might respond that of course Heffer would say that, wouldn’t he, he makes the point that it was the “express wish of the late queen” that Camilla should be queen consort, although Harry’s supporters would no doubt question his assertion that this demonstration of trust “more than counters any of the halfwittery and fantasy history that the duke expends on his stepmother in his bizarre book.”
Just a quick fact-check on “Queen Elizabeth wanted Camilla to be queen consort” – then why did Charles always have to maintain this bizarre half-measure of pretending that Camilla would be called “Princess Consort”? It wasn’t until Charles’s obvious quid pro quo with QEII this time last year – when she wanted to give money to Prince Andrew to pay off his rape victim – that Charles finally had the necessary leverage to force his mother into signing off on “Queen Camilla.” If QEII really wanted to see Camilla wear a crown, she would have said so long before 2022. Incidentally, it was shortly after QEII signed off “Queen Camilla” that Charles “accidentally” infected QEII with Covid. I still find that suspicious as hell.
Now, that being said, I think it’s far more likely that “Queen Camilla” was more Charles’s dream than Camilla’s. In Spare, Prince Harry makes it sound like Camilla had many goals, not one singular goal of being queen. Camilla wanted to destroy Charles’s first marriage, then she wanted to marry Charles and have financial security and the spoils. She also wanted to cause trouble and rehabilitate her (entirely well-deserved) terrible reputation.
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- Camilla Duchess of Cornwall at The Oldie Luncheon, in celebration of her 75th Birthday at National Liberal Club. Featuring: Camilla Duchess of Cornwall Where: London, England, United Kingdom When: 12 Jul 2022 Credit: Chris Jackson/PA Images/INSTARimages.com/Cover Images **North America Rights Only**
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- King Charles III and Camilla Queen Consort attend a reception to thank the community of Aberdeenshire for their organisation and support following the death of Queen Elizabeth II at Station Square, the Victoria & Albert Halls, Ballater. Featuring: Camilla Queen Consort Where: Aberdeenshire, Scotland, United Kingdom When: 11 Oct 2022 Credit: PA Images/INSTARimages.com/Cover Images **North America Rights Only**
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- Camilla, Queen Consort, Patron of the Poppy Factory, during a visit to the Field of Remembrance, in its 94th year, at Westminster Abbey in London, ahead of Armistice Day. Featuring: Camilla, Queen Consort Where: London, England, United Kingdom When: 10 Nov 2022 Credit: Henry Nicholls/PA Images/INSTARimages.com/Cover Images **North America Rights Only**
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- Camilla Queen Consort Hosts Reception At Buckingham Palace Sophie Countess of Wessex, Queen Mathilde of Belgium, the Queen Consort, Queen Rania of Jordan and Danish Crown Princess Mary during a reception at Buckingham Palace, London, to raise awareness of violence against women and girls as part of the UN 16 days of Activism against Gender-Based Violence. Featuring: Camilla Queen Consort Where: London, England, United Kingdom When: 29 Nov 2022 Credit: Kin Cheung/PA Images/INSTARimages.com/Cover Images **North America Rights Only**
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- Diplomatic Corps Reception At Buckingham Palace Featuring: Camilla Queen Consort Where: London, England, United Kingdom When: 06 Dec 2022 Credit: Victoria Jones/PA Images/INSTARimages.com/Cover Images **North America Rights Only**
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- King Charles III, accompanied by Camilla Queen Consort and members of the extended Royal Family, attend the traditional Christmas Day morning service at St. Mary Magdelene Church on the Sandringham estate in Norfolk Featuring: King Charles III, Camilla Queen Consort Where: King’s Lynn, Norfolk, United Kingdom When: 25 Dec 2022 Credit: John Rainford/Cover Images **NOT AVAILABLE FOR PUBLICATION IN THE UK**
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- Royals Attend Christmas Day Service At St Mary Magdalene Church In Sandringham Featuring: Camilla Queen Consort Where: Norfolk, England, United Kingdom When: 25 Dec 2022 Credit: PA Images/INSTARimages.com/Cover Images **North America Rights Only**
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- Royals Attend Christmas Day Service At St Mary Magdalene Church In Sandringham Featuring: Camilla Queen Consort Where: Norfolk, England, United Kingdom When: 25 Dec 2022 Credit: PA Images/INSTARimages.com/Cover Images **North America Rights Only**
Oh yes she just happened to fall in love with Charles. The prince of wales.Odd that she was avid to marry Parker Bowles. And also it begs the question why she undermined Diana. More spin.
Part of her cool girl appeal to Charles was as the one who got away. So to maintain his conviction that this is a great love story, she can’t want the crown. I can see why he hates this narrative. But charles being that naive is ridiculous.
She did not really get away. Charles told his biographer he did not want to marry her when he met her and he was in many other relationships.
Charles wants to be King in all the right ways. Camilla was the girl going around the village it seems, she was in many relationships it was said, so he was probably the one who needed to restablish her reputation fir his sake, so he wouldn’t be known as the King who married the slut divorced mistress homewrecker – and poor BELOVED DIANA – which sounds absolutely horrifying for a King that has been waiting all his life to be kinging.
I think she is his obsession.
Some of this is about Diana-erasure.
Someone has been the architect of this mess and it’s not someone with healthy pursuits like organic farming and wool.
Since Charles was gleefully sleeping with whomever, I can’t see calling Camilla a slut, much as I dislike her. Charles, Parker-Bowles, hardly a circus act.
Camilla is the one chuckles got stuck with-not the one that got away.
Everybody “got” Camilla back in the day lol.
(RIP Diana, Kanga and whoever else is no longer available for comment on this story).
@DouchesOfCambridge yes to everything you said!
I have NEVER believed and DO NOT believe now that Camilla “fell in love with Charles”. Charles fell “Head over Heels” in love with Camilla and she is “THE love of his life”. All of this mess put Camilla in a very sticky situation when it became public knowledge. How much she is or is not responsible for the actual situation will never be truly known.
IMAO and with much gut feeling, I will always believe Andrew Parker-Bowles is the love of Camilla’s life. I also believe Andrew Parker-Bowles to be the love of Anne, Princess Royal’s (aka Mrs. Timothy’s Laurence) life.
@BayTampaBay , It’s been my observation that most relationships have at least one partner who is having extra [sex, intimacy, financial support etc] outside the relationship. If all parties are making informed consent, well OK, that’s a choice. The idea that oopsie, Charles tripped and unwittingly fell into Camilla’s vag one day and got stuck in there for life is a NO. She participated. She is responsible for her participation and her damage
This. Camilla doesn’t love Charles. She loves the status and comfort she receives from being attached to him. And he doesn’t ‘love’ her. He satisfies some rather complex psychopathology. He ‘needs’ her. No one else knows how to fill the role and keep him steady. She’s like his teddy bear. A replacement for mummy.
Camilla could have definitely fallen in love with Charles.
It just depends on whatever love means.
@Carrot – I 100% agree with your comment. The point I was trying to make is that I do not think Camilla ever really wanted to be Queen. Charles is obsessed with her for some or many reason(s) and was determined, that come “hell or highwater”, Camilla was going to be Queen and not Princess Consort.
@BayTampaBay , ah! I got an impression you were giving Cam a gentle pass on her contribution at whatever amount. Yes, absolutely agree Charles was determined, but it’s been decided since they married — whoever is married to the King is the Queen. Elizabeth’s announcement was a preemptive shush for just in case — to be tidy
Camilla was said to have had a fling with Charles to spite APB who had a fling with Princess Anne.
@Carrot – I am in no way giving Camilla a “free pass” in this one-right-royal mess of a kettle of fish and did not mean to sound as if I am. I think Camilla got swept-up into something that became a tsunami. Once Camilla found her self in this storm due to Andrew Parker Bowles basically demanding a divorce, she had to sink or swim. Camila has proven to be a very good swimmer using every trick in the book to survive. However, I still do NOT think she wanted to be “Queen” and to shoulder all the responsibility that comes with being “Queen”. Just having to emotionally “take care of KCIII” is enough to literally wear one’s self completely out.
@CC hahaha I see what you did there lol agree completely!
Andrew Parker Bowles was supposedly OK with the arrangement as long as it did not get into the media. Prince Charles went on television and confessed adultery with Camilla and said he would go on seeing her. That caused the Parker Bowles divorce because it was no longer just an “open secret” but it was all over the news. Camilla has low work numbers and unlike Diana was allowed down time. Diana had to go right out and work even when in the early stages of her first pregnancy. Camilla was allowed to leave tours early due to age. She gets lots of down time and luxuries so it is not exactly “grueling” work. I think Camilla did want to be Queen. If she was just the “mistress” she would not have the same security. And Charles may move on. Supposedly he was interested in a courtier Elizabeth Buchanan and Camilla put a stop to that and Buchanan was let go. Camilla’s being a good swimmer was helped by Charles who had a PR guru working with her and he made sure she got good headlines. His sympathizers wrote biographies of Camilla that praised her to the skies and put down Diana. Charles had done something previously “not done” naming the married mistress. The Duke of Windsor waited until after the abdication to name Wallis and by then she was divorced from simpson (who took the blame for the divorce.
I’d go one further she was one of his many mistresses just the last one standing and he needed the pr of her being his true love
Then using that same logic, “All MEGHAN ever did was have the bad luck to fall in love with a prince.”
Except H&M were both single and Meghan had experience working hard, philanthropy, public speaking and being a public figure. Compared to Camilla’s journey of integration into the family, Meghan’s should’ve been easy and no fuss.
I heard something recently that really resonated, “you can’t have compassion for a person you envy”.
And I think that pretty much explains the RBF and right wing nut’s fixation on Meghan.
@BayTampaBay, men have become obsessed with me. I chose to engage or not. Three became my stalkers. Two are still obsessed. I am regularly blocking their attempts to contact me and to engage with them.
Uh, no. Camilla gave consent and more. She found Diana as a virgin target, and she entered into an affair with a high profile dude. She’s like the Kennedy men, someone who takes stupid risks. And she needed money at one point, too.
Camilla has hit the jackpot apparently: money, position, security, money for HER children (2 million pound trust fund via Charles), and she still has a separate residence she can run off to.
As the saying goes, Be careful what you wish for.
Karma is a steamroller.
Just wait till William declares open season on her and Charles.
I thought we all agreed circa-2007 that @Byzant’s take is the only take?
Either this site has a lot of new posters in their 20’s or we have some Palace Sources Among Us.
(God I am so happy that these 2 are going to get buried next to each other. Long Live The King!)
After reading the book I felt so very sad.
I think it all seems to come back to Camilla (and Charles, although it appears to be more weakness and ability to be influenced by his evil wife ) as the root of all the unhappiness.
She seems to want to erase Diana’s legacy completely including messing with her two sons- all the evil machinations seem to have succeeded. She’s managed to sever relations between father and sons and both brothers.
I finished the book and the feeling was
that of overwhelming loss and sadness.
@Shere l feel the same!
I would say that it’s a technicality, she wanted the power and protection of the palace not necessarily the title of queen. I do love that Harry says they use unnamed sources to share their stories and LOOK, there they go – doing JUST THAT. These people will never say ANYTHING with their full chest and without a series of people to hide behind.
I think she wanted to be queen. She is not the humble person imo her spin claims she is. If a marriage was not in the cards then mark b. Would not have been hired. I think she wanted what Diana had.
Yes, she wanted what Diana had. And what Harry HAS. To be popular and beloved by the world. This hag will never have that “it” factor and it just sticks in her craw. So she decided on going the evil route, destroy the competition.
Exactly. You have to look at what people actually do, not what they say.
I could probably believe that being Queen was not her real goal but having a bachelor King was going to look foolish. I think she would have been happy as side piece forever, as long as Charles took care of her and her interests.
Yes to all of this. I have always believed that the title was way more about Charles than her. She is utterly vicious, cruel, and manipulative but she is really good at protecting her interests.
I’m betting she’s looking forward to having everyone curtsy to her and bow and scrape to appease her.
Pretty basic and petty.
She wanted that title. Imo And marriage And she would have security of marriage. She was secure because Charles could not afford another divorce and also have any credibility after the great love spin. Being a side piece for good would risk Charles moving on.
Being a side piece was what Camilla hoped she would always be, but being a homewrecker BACKFIRED on her due to Diana’s death. She never had any intentions of being Queen. You could say that Diana got her revenge from her GRAVE upon Camilla. Charles fell in love with her and wanted Camilla to marry him because he needed to use HER as Queen Consort to TRY in vain to stifle the people’s longing for the late Diana. Now people are villifying them both for their treacherous treatment of Diana. Diana is having her last laugh in Heaven ~ while C&C have to face tepid acceptance of their marriage and reign. 😂 What goes around……
bit unfair to horses tbh.
Agreed! Horses are beautiful and elegant. No need to drag them into this mess. Maybe a particularly vile tempered Shetland pony?
In one spare swoop the final goal was utterly destroyed. Couldn’t happen to a more deserving person.
The fact that her “friends” are in the media so quickly to defend her, just shows she’s playing the game
There’s no need to put this on a list of priorities. You marry the Prince of Wales, eventually you become Queen – whether it’s Consort or whatever.
And the only reason C&C are astounded, bewildered, blah, blah, blah, is because Harry actually said things out loud with his own voice.
Euridyce: No one, least of all C&C, thought Harry would write a book about all of this. It’s now written in black and white for the world to see. The book will forever be a well-deserved thorn in Charles and Camilla’s side. And Diana is in Heaven, looking down and having the last laugh because her son Harry defended her virtue of his own will.
😂
Camila is a selfish woman. Back in the day she wanted to have her cake and eat it too. She wanted Andrew Parker-Bowles AND Charles. It probably thrilled her to be a mistress to a future King and the material perks that came with it. She thought she could manipulate a young, naive Diana forever, but was shocked when Diana blew up her spot.
She was therefore forced to divorce Parker-Bowles because she humiliated him. She was probably forced to switch her loyalties to Charles and participate in the story that his PR people were spinning that it was thwarted true love because the Queen and Philip forbid it. I doubt she would have ever wanted to actually marry him if they weren’t in the middle of the PR nightmare of their own making. She would have happily stayed married to Parker-Bowles and continued their affair.
Couple that with the fact that her divorce and bad investments ruined her financially. Might as well roll with Charles and get him to pay off her debts and fund her children. And use him to hook up other family members. She knows how to play Charles like a fiddle. And Charles loves having his ego stroked.
If Camila wants to continue living in the lifestyle she’s accustomed to, she must go all in on this.
Very true esp as Harry says that their first meeting was leaked to the press to divert away from her son’s bad behaviour. Her ex-husband and both her children have greatly benefitted from her relationship with Charles.
Andrew Parker=Bowles was the one that every aristo woman wanted, including Princess Anne.
Camilla reconnected with Charles after APB started fooling around once she herself had produced an heir. She knew who he was even before they were married as he was also fooling around with Anne before they married.
At some point she accepted the terms of their marriage and resumed her relationship with Charles before he married Diana and that was when they hatched their plan to stay in their convenient marriages whilst having their cake and eat it. It might not have been the intention at the time they reconnected – but that was where that initial affair led them.
Then Diana learned to handle her business via the press and Chuckles decided he wanted to be with Camilla post divorce so he effectively forced APB’s hand by disclosing the affair in his interview with Dimbleby and thereby humiliating him. Charles effectively violated a code of honour here also as C&C did not warn APB.
APB filed for divorce shortly after and bc CPB was on the back-foot with the divorce she was left in a very bad position financially. Until that point I think Camilla was still not 100% about marrying Charles but now she needed the money and protection Charles could offer – so she stays with him and they eventually go public.
Diana then dies and the rest we know.
So I agree to some extent that Camilla was on a folly to begin with, however after her the Dimbleby interview, she would have known what Chuckles intentions were. So logically she could have re-affirmed her marriage with APB (if even in name only) or divorced APB and then disappeared from public life for a bit – if she had no intention to be Queen. This is the pivotal point because she knew that once Diana had died that cleared the way for them to re-marry at some point. The optics of an unmarried King maintaining his mistress would never have landed so he had to white-wash their relationship at some point and legitimse it as the head of the church. The whole affair was so sordid that the Queen could not attend the church blessing as the then head of the church.
But instead she and Charles ramped up the ante – so from that point the plan was clearly for Camilla to be Queen – otherwise why the interview and enormously expensive PR campaigns etc
Camilla played the long game with many twists and turns – any other suggestion is nonsense.
@Flower – Excellent explanation of overview of events.
I agree with this take on events and I think your point about her children is interesting. Sure she was already well connected but her relationship with the future king was a massive boost to her kids. I accept that she’s fundamentally selfish but she also saw a good thing for them.
THIS. And only this explains EVERYTHING. That is all.
Flower, Charles was planning to “go public” at a charity event with Camilla in the Fall 1997. This was put on hold when Diana died. He also went public giving Camilla a lavish birthday party at Highgrove. He had already hired Bolland so I believe he was planning to marry Camilla and waited until a year after the divorce to go into action with operation Camilla. If Diana had lived, I think they would have gone ahead with the wedding plans maybe waiting a few more years. Andrew Parker Bowles was Camilla’s ex and she had a living ex husband, something the Church of England had objected to. Charles was the divorced husband of Diana since Summer 1996. He was never her widower. Had Diana lived she may well have remarried. Diana was not an obstacle had she lived. Camilla was a divorcee, like Wallis was and that was an issue with Wallis and David marrying. Charles had the rules bent for him so he could get the Church blessing for himself and Camilla, be able to keep his place in line to be King and Camilla would get all his ranks and styles upon marriage. For a while there was spin of Charles being a widower which would have been impossible for him since he was openly seeing Camilla, Diana would have still been a royal family member had he been widower and she would have kept her HRH. I think if Diana had lived, C and C still would have been able to marry maybe more later than sooner. Charles would not have invested in an expensive mentor for Camilla if the goal had not been marrying Camilla.
I agree 💯! She’s a manipulative, nasty piece of work who wanted to eat her cake and have it!
@Snuffles I think your take is exactly right. I think it’s fairly simple: Camilla enjoyed the power and freedom of being *mistress* to a future king.
But it went sideways when she lost the security of her marriage to APB. Camilla’s life is like the olden days when women of status had to attach themselves to men with money and power in order to be taken care of. C & C’s story is like 18th century stuff. Maybe they both thought of it that way too, thinking it was romantic.
I can believe this to some extent. I don’t think she was ever attracted to losing her freedom and serving the monarchy in the way she does now. However, I do think that she “allowed” it for Charles’ sake. Being the object of his affection and obsession made her comfortable with being positioned wherever he wanted, and alas, we have Queen Camilla. To him, she’s always been Queen Camilla, always and forever.
I feel like Camilla’s fatal flaw is she thinks she’s smarter than she is. She thought she was smarter than Diana and got her image destroyed for her shenanagians. Then she viewed Harry as a useful idiot and he exposed her again and because she’s not as smart as she thinks she is she’s unable to do a different strategy other than sending “sources” to the rota.
It’s also interesting to me to see how she is viewed like her and Charles are star crossed lovers vs how Blac Chyna is viewed. It’s literally the same scenario in which a woman’s partner cheats with someone else and then that woman goes and pursues the emotionally stunted brother of the other women.
EXPOSE THE NAMES OF HER FRIENDS! You know, like they wanted to do when Meghan’s friends went to People.
Beyond that, yeah, Camilla is a dirty old bay who wanted a prince as a lover and tormented Diana for sport, then when her affair was exposed, was left by her husband (not because of the cheating, but because of the publicity), and Charles wanted her and it was only proper to be married, so she did because she and her bum kids were running out of money, and then she and Charles schemed to rehabilitate her image at the expense of every last human on earth, but especially Charles’s sons and more especially Harry. She is a demon. Charles is Beelzebub.
I love that she’s stuck in a role that will never allow her to be sure of herself. There will always be the Diana lovers, and now the Harry and Meghan lovers, who think she doesn’t belong there. She will never be beloved of the public, and yet she will have to be displayed like a prized cow (or horse). She will be the butt of jokes. She will have to take care with whatever jewels she wears (no Koh-i-noor for you, darling). She will always play second fiddle to Kate in the glamor department. And now Harry has exploded her whole mendacious, malicious “foul whis’prings”! Who’s more sympathetic–lovely Diana’s lovely son with a beautiful wife and adorable kids, or the Wicked Stepmother?
It was better to be a mistress.
Kate is apparently friends with Camilla and I doubt will rock the boat
Well-said, lanne! Also makes me feel better. There IS justice and this is justice. No, mistress evil stepmother, even though your nephew can manipulate yougov polls to try to help your image, people don’t really like you and your ranking is even lower than what the polls say. Image rehab? Failure.
@Ianne: Very well said. It really is like a fairy tale where the wicked stepmother is gross-looking, charmless, cruel at every turn, while the heroes are gorgeous, charismatic, kind, truthful. I don’t like the way good looks are frequently equated with goodness in our culture, but in this case, it does actually break down like that. Charles and Camilla have the looks they deserve, and ditto H&M.
Charles got his mommy substitute and friend with benefits, his throne and that is all that matters bottom line. Everything else is collateral damage. Pity.
I always found it on the creepy side that Camilla dresses like the Queen MOther big hats and all. Charles even gave her an engagement ring from the Queen Mum’s collection.
My father’s mistress was mean. A mean, not bright, liar. She could ruin your day in under a minute. She thought her meanness was funny. She got a lot of pleasure out of hurting us. I don’t doubt Camilla is the same
It’s a small world, @carrot. Looks like you’ve met my ex son in laws new wife and former mistress.
@Julia K , sorry to hear it. It never did improve. She’d pretend she didn’t know us at the door, on the phone. She’d throw things, not to hit, but to provoke, when a sibling broke an arm she wouldn’t take them to UC and wouldn’t let our father either. So funny! Right? All I’ve got to help cope is if no one is in danger, avoid.
I have more than one friend where the father’s second wife keeps abusing HIPPA to keep the first wife’s kids from being able to visit him in the hospital. Dad’ll sign the papers for them to have access to all the info. Stepmom will rescind it. Kids are left in the dark and going crazy. Really sad. Should be a way around it, but terrible people seem to be able to manipulate the rules.
This mistress was never officially more than a mistress but she could have at least been not a vile hag. She expended effort to be bad to us. And yes, what little time as we had with our parents, the mistress got in the way of access coming and going.
She would answer my father’s mobile:
Oh, [mistress], where’s my father? Is he OK?
Who is this?
It’s Carrot, please give my father his mobile.
Who is Carrot?
How many children named Carrot are there? Please pass my father his mobile?
Call ended
See, I can imagine Camilla acting like this. It’s a joke. It’s funny
This malignant humor is always meant to humiliate and hurt. I felt so sorry for my daughter and grandchildren who put up with these “wasn’t that funny?” episodes. Yes I can believe this is Camilla.
@Concern Fae , If the parents in question can communicate — steps don’t get to decide? https://thehipaaetool.com/communicating-with-a-patients-family-and-friends/
Good luck!
I’m very sorry you experienced that. My observation is most mistresses (and other men for that matter) are mean and sadistic – though many put a shiny veneer on top. The ones that aren’t mean are delusional idiots who lie to themselves about star crossed lovers
I recall Charles finances were to be investigated c 2005. At the time Camilla had apartment in Clarence house and likely supporting her and possibly her father. Soon after Charles brought out the engagement ring and proposed. The talk of the financial investigation ended.
If she does it for kicks, that makes it worse!
Apparently, she and her friends come from an aristo subculture where it’s unproblematic to treat a young woman and later that woman’s orphaned children like trash, but the rest of the world definitely sees a problem!
The whole aristo worldview is about sorting people into three categories. There’s those to be treated as rivals – not equals, those to be treated as superiors and those to be treated as insignificant trash.
How was Diana not considered superior given her Spencer heritage?
Her friends, unnamed sources and royal experts can all say she didn’t want to be QC but, I for one don’t believe it. She wanted it. With the amount of influence she has over Charles she could have persuaded him that she was happy to be the Princess Consort. She “may” not have wanted the title initially but, once she became accustomed to the power of being the spouse of the FK then I do believe she wanted a powerful title of her own.
Her biggest mistake was once she was made QC she let it go to her head and forgot blood princes don’t really take much notice of the titles of a married-in. Instead of “leaking” threats to her media friends about possible consequences for Harry (and his family) if he wrote about her in his book, she should have gone out of her way to pick up the phone for a chat (if not to him then definitely Meghan). She should have been seen to be polite to Meghan at both the Jubbly and the funeral. AND she most definitely should have made a statement about Clarkson. She had plenty of time to do all this but chose not to. Now Camilla’s manipulations and deceit are out there for all the world to see and it couldn’t happen to a more deserving person.
This. Camilla made the mistake that the royal (aristo, really) code of silence would keep Harry silent. But they forgot that Harry, while in the military,
learned he could survive outside the RF. He also married an American who had money of her own and wasn’t afraid of earning more.
I remember the days of Camilla and Kanga being Charles’s married women friends, helping him find a bride out of the goodness of their hearts. How dare anyone thing there was anything untoward going on?
Camilla came out OK. Folks, go look up Kanga, AKA Dale, Lady Tryon, for a woman whose story is even sadder than Diana’s.
She fractured her skull and broke her back in a fall from a first floor window, spent 18 months in a wheelchair then died of “sepsis from severe bedsores” (despite receiving care from doctors recommended by Charles) very shortly after giving a public interview. Being adjacent to the royal family sounds about as dangerous as being a Russian business leader.
Beyond the leverage Charles had over the queen last year when she wanted to bail out the pedo, there is the issue of her declining health while battling bone cancer. We know she did not feel well for long stretches and was probably vulnerable to an aggressive campaign to agree that Camilla should be Queen Consort. The only way to get them both out of her hair so she could die in peace was to sign off on their plan.
In other words, the queen refused to agree to Camilla becoming queen until she was literally at death’s door. What a vote of confidence!
Camilla was eventually going to be the “Queen” because she was married to the “King”; that is just the way it works.
However, the question was, “What is she going to be called; Queen Consort or Princess Consort?” Chucky wanted his near-death mother to release a public statement declaring she wanted Camilla to be called “Queen Consort” which she did. None of this really makes a difference because Camilla IS “Queen” because she is married to the “King” no matter what she may be called.
It obviously made a huge difference to Charles and Camilla. She wanted the public recognition of being called Queen Consort. And he was prepared to die on that hill along with her.
So, just saw one of Nostradamus’ prophecy which had accurately predicted Betty’s death and that the next year, the king of the islands would be chased out by the people unhappy with the divorce and the king will be someone who was never expected to be king. And all this in 2023. Fingers crossed for King Harry IX? We know he’ll shut down the whole shitshow.
I’m not someone to comment on someone’s looks but how come Betty at 96 looked better than this ridiculous creature?
Nostradamus stuff is nonsense. Confirmation bias, selective reading, and a heaping helping of making stuff up are what make people end up believing he had some kind of magical psychic powers. He was known in his own time to be a charlatan — which he was, and which those profiting from him are now as well.
The monarchy falling would be good. King Harry IX would not be, because monarchs are always bad. But it’s nonsense anyway.
As someone who remembers when psychic predictions were featured on tabloid covers, one of my faves was that Prince Charles was going to marry Faye Dunaway. The 70s were a trip.
I really do miss the “old” 1970s-1980s National Inquirer.
Weekly World News was my favorite in the 90s.
Back when tabloids (in the US) were the fun kind of ridiculous instead of whatever this is now.
Anyone remember Bat Child?
Yesterday I read an old article by APB brother which claimed C and C slept together around the night of his wedding to Diana, and continued sleeping together after the marriage. As in it didn’t stop right away.
He also claimed that she wanted to be queen and she craves power.
Since he gave those quotes under the full power of his name instead of anonymous sources, I’m going to go with his take. If she could pony up anyone willing to use their name to say these things (other than her children who are making out like bandits due to her power moves), she would have by now.
Went looking for this article and could not find it. Do you have a link?
I had to read it as reposted on this blog, which has a weird formatting issue but if you pull it over it’s easier to read:
https://alt.gossip.royalty.narkive.com/MkNXRVkr/camilla-refresher-course-by-her-brother-in-law
OMG !! Trashy whore, he said. What a read.
This seems to be a better link to the same article :
https://alt.gossip.royalty.narkive.com/MkNXRVkr/camilla-refresher-course-by-her-brother-in-law
Three people in the marriage.
We can all agree, she’s getting the face that she deserves
Journalists at the time said Camilla was the mystery lady on the royal train (pre engagement of Charles and Diana)
As a teen, I read Maureen Dowd’s coverage of the wedding of Charles and Diana. She included the story about Diana finding the bracelet intended for another woman. This was before the wedding!
Dowd was covering the wedding for The Washington Star. Someone should track her down and find out her sourcing on that. She’s written some memoirs, but I don’t think she’s spilled on that.
@Tessa – A.N. Wilson stated in one of his books that he had a direct source that Camilla was the “mystery” blonde on the Royal Train.
I can believe that she didn’t want the job of being Queen, necessarily. But she did want to hitch her wagon to Chuck’s star, dim though it may be.
Her marriage gives her status and financial security. It also helps her kids. She’s a nasty hag but I will admit that she probably cares about the well-being of her children, in her own way. Harry on the other hand? He’s expendable. She gladly betrayed him to get what she wanted.
She’s also a competitive sort. She got a kick out of bagging her set’s most sought after bachelor AND keeping Chuck on a lead to boot. She wanted to best Diana. She wanted to grab the gold ring, literally. A lot of it was sport to her.
And she also probably likes being needed by Charles. It’s affirming. It’s a power rush.
If Camilla didn’t care about being Queen she would have accepted William and Harry’s wishes that she not marry Charles, Her marrying Charles meant she wanted to be Queen, She was very much part of CH PR strategy to rehabilitate her image and to get positive PR.
I love how easily people bought the idea that this woman who made herself indispensable to Chuck for decades just fell into marriage with him and wanted nothing.
W.t.f. is Kellyanne running British media.
Camilla’s family was broke, they had lost their savings and investments when Lloyds of London went under via bankruptcy.
She was also a divorced woman who never worked, but accustomed to a certain lifestyle.
The solution: Marriage to Charles.
As soon it seemed possible for him be divorced, remarried and keep his birthright and become the next monarch he came on board.
They brought in Mark Bollard to do PR, she inveigled the already ‘compromised’ media.
All of the leaking, blagging to no avail.
The number of people who did not want her to be Queen Consort remained the same for two plus decades.
Harry spoke about it with compassion, as he should.
I really like the Netflix royal parody show The Windsors, in that show Camilla is always scheming and stirring up trouble for Charles which I thought was a bit odd but now it seems that they had some sort of insider knowledge.
Everyone needs a villain…but yeah, that’s true to life.
Now, that being said, I think it’s far more likely that “Queen Camilla” was more Charles’s dream than Camilla’s.
Agreed but I now that Cam is in it, she is reveling in it like a pig shit. She loves all the power that comes with what that title brings.
I so wish we Celebitchies could have a group viewing of some of the episodes of The Windsors. I will not shut up about this show because it literally portrays Camilla as I always imagined her: singularly focused on being Queen and doing anything in her power to do it. The actress who plays her is phenomenal. Kate and William come across as sympathetic and they give Kate a fake Gypsy background and Harry is predictably portrayed as a bumbling idiot which we know not to be true. But it is just so funny and the complete opposite of The Crown. This article only reinforces the fact she totally wanted to be Queen and that a bunch of PR shenanigans with the British media were involved.
For the most part, the Windsors are portrayed as dumb but earnest and well meaning. Camilla and Pippa are the only villains. That’s probably nicer than most of them are IRL!
Never did get the whole fake background thing for the MIddletons, and yet they still keep them otherwise as is with the party planning business. However, using the g-word is now super taboo, so I sort of wonder if that’s an issue with the show disappearing from the airwaves.
LOL’ing at “all she does is neigh to reporters.”
And at Camilla’s blue hat above, which looks like a mop.
Camilla is a conniving bitch. Of course she wanted to be queen.
I LOLed at this too! Perfection!
Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip did not attend Charles and Camilla’s civil wedding .
They had a blessing only in Windsor George Chapel which QE2 did attend in full White! Camilla was not allowed to wear a tiara as not married in a church.
Elizabeth R did not ever accept Camilla as Queen to be and it was a condition of her agreement to them marrying that she remained Princess consort. She knew the public and world would not want this as Diana remains so popular and how hurtful it would be to her children and the Crown’s image.
The false story that they got married in the same church as Meghan and Harry is false!
Look it up on google.
This old booze hound schemed and maligned for decades. You can be a boozy underminer just as well as you can be a sober one.
Good God, she looks like she was born in the 1800s. I think she’s an insult and an embarrassment to the country.