I’ve been reading Prince Harry’s Spare in the evenings and I’m in the 2015 section, when Harry has left the Army and he’s been dealing with PTSD, agoraphobia and panic attacks for years. He’s also looking for a wife – I know what’s coming up, but I just have to say, he was absolutely primed to meet Meghan. He was ready, his light was on, but more than that, he was desperate to find solutions to his many mental health struggles. We know that Meghan didn’t give him a choice in the matter – if he didn’t get into therapy and begin dealing with his issues head-on, she would have been out of there. Thus, Prince William and Queen Camilla believe that Harry has been “kidnapped by psychotherapists and Meghan.”
Yesterday, the Prince and Princess of Wales traveled to Liverpool to visit a new hospital and mental health charities in the area. The focus was on NHS resources, but also on the mental health programs available. It was at the mental health charity Open Door that Kate spoke about how talk therapy isn’t for everyone:
Kate Middleton raised eyebrows during her first public outing since Prince Harry’s memoir was released by commenting that therapy does not work for everyone. The Prince and Princess of Wales were in Merseyside yesterday visiting mental health charity Open Door, when Kate said: ‘Talking therapies don’t work for some.’
Will and Kate met several teenagers at the Open Door Charity, who use arts and dance to help with mental health.
The Sun reported that Kate asked: ‘Has producing music and taking part in those workshops helped? Has it helped with your personal lives?’
One boy replied that using music as a tool helps him express his emotions through something he enjoys. He said: ‘Producing music and letting out what you’re feeling is better than saying it in a clinical atmosphere. I can put it into words. That was tough to explain!’
Kate said: ‘Talking therapies don’t work for some people, they’re not for everybody. It’s so important to have a range of therapies.’
She added: ‘Everyone is talking a lot more about mental health. There have often been negative connotations around it. But if we get across that there are these more positive spaces and experiences out there, then we are changing how we talk about it.’
These people, I swear to God. William and Kate want to promote themselves as mental health advocates while also smearing Harry as “having too much therapy.” Not to mention the fact that these two a–holes bullied and abused Harry and Meghan so much that the Sussexes had to leave the g–damn country. The absolute audacity of Kate to simper about therapy and mental health. F–k off.
Fashion notes: Kate’s coat was from Holland and Cooper, and as I said yesterday, she got it after she saw Meghan wear a similar one from Burberry. Kate’s dress was from Cefinn, retailing for £290.
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She really does have no shame. She and he rage “husband” are both in need of intense TALK therapy for their sake and their children’s. Thank God Harry got his and stuck with it.
Meh, I can’t hate on this. She’s just saying that, for some people, dance or music might be more their thing. Thinking her comments are a dig at Harry is a stretch this time, I think anyway.
She knows nothing about early childhood now she is playing expert in psychology. She has no shame. She is an art history major
I think it’s a bit of a stretch too but that doesn’t prevent me from finding her question idiotic.
‘Has it helped’ what kind of answer did she expect?
She could have asked: ‘what has your road to therapy been like and what led you here’
When your brother in law talks about how talk therapy helped him and you publicly say talking therapy is not for everyone, it is a dig against your brother in law. Plain and simple.
She can be an advocate without making broad meaningless statements as if she is an expert. Same with early childhood development. She hasn’t put in the work to be a professional so she needs to limit what she says on both topics and as H&M are always being told by those same tabloids “draw attention to those actually doing the work”.
It’s totally a dig after Spare. Bit disengenuos to say otherwise. Plus, what gives that walking eating disorder (that she’s praised for in the BM) a right to claim any knowledge about therapy? She’s got some hella body dysmorphia with all the procedures the OTT Wiglets, the ED. Kate! Seek help like H did!
I have no patience with this kind of thinking anymore. We know exactly why she said that. She couldn’t be bothered to put on her wig and gurn for the cameras for anything constructive in the first two weeks of the year and this is what she says at her first appearance.
That said, the idea of range of therapies is good. But after the “Cult of psychotherapy” headlines? Completely intentional.
This is the textbook definition of gaslighting so pretending it was just a random coincidence that Kate even spoke at all much less stated something specific about talking therapies is disingenuous.
Kate and William need to say nothing on therapy. They clearly both need it themselves and snarky remarks only show how false they are to pretend to be mental health advocates.
Literally, her only job is to be diplomatic.
She could have said, “it’s such an important service to provide additional therapeutic support and creative outlets through music and dance.”
No dig at talk therapy needed. The fact that she made a dig is deliberate.
If the comment had been phrased more like, “talk therapy sometimes needs to be supplemented with other forms of therapy,” that would make sense. Her general inability to communicate clearly makes it hard to prove whether she was trying to make a dig at Harry or not. But whether she thought she was making a sick burn or was just marking time till she could leave, getting revenge what the media is saying she was doing, and their spin is part of this whole bigger issue.
Sure, Pippa.
She’s just talking about what she doesn’t know…per usual.
My doctor has told me that talk therapy isn’t as effective as other therapies, for example, CBT – so, I don’t think Kate is off-base there. On the other hand, with everyone briefing against each other and stabbing each other in the back, it’s not hard to imagine Kate/the BM taking a swipe at Harry.
@Eurydice – CBT is a successful therapy but it does involve talk during the course of several sessions of learning to think and react in a structured way. It helps you become aware of inaccurate or negative thinking so you can view challenging situations more clearly and respond to them more effectively. My cousin had it for anxiety and panic attacks and it worked really well. That being said, I still think Kate’s comment was a poke at Harry’s (successful) therapy. I can’t think of two worse people to represent mental health care than the Wails.
From her prio behavior, it’s a dig
@Jaded – yes, I was puzzled at first when my doctor said this – like, doesn’t all therapy involve some kind of communication? But, evidently, “talk therapy” is the term for the traditional “client on the couch, therapist taking notes” kind of therapy.
Exactly right, Chloe.
In all seriousness, does she have a speech impediment?
I don’t know why people are hating on her comment. The young man just told her traditional talk therapy does not work for him while expressing himself in art does. Everyone is different and what works for one person doesn’t always work for another.
Let’s not forget her brother James who was also open about his struggles with depression. I don’t remember if he talked about therapy, but literally anyone around them , except Pegs&Wiglets, is contributing more to mental health conversations than these two “advocates”.
He said he did go to therapy, and that even Kate went and met with his therapist.
Harry didn’t have talk therapy. He did EMDR which is trauma focused therapy. Do they even know which mental health modalities he’s been using?
She could have used her platform to teach people about all the options that are out there. Once I knew what type of therapist I needed, I found one easily and it helped me tremendously
You don’t do EDMR without having tried other options unsuccessfully, and talk therapy would definitely have been a first option before EDMR.
Her statement is in the category of true but stupid. Yes, talk therapy doesn’t work for everyone, but that’s as much because of bad patient-therapist fit as anything. There’s also the issue that some people would be helped far more by a coaching model, but that isn’t considered medical treatment, so they keep getting therapist visits, because that’s what insurance will cover.
@Concern Fae — correct. EDMR is done in concert with or after regular talk therapies to establish the source of the mental health problem first. Kate saying that dance or music can work for some folks is naïve and stupid, and a clear jab at Harry.
He did have talk therapy. It’s in Spare.
EMDR or TF-CBT are first line responses to those who have experienced trauma now – they are the NICE guidelined response to PTSD/C-PTSD ( NICE are what the U.K. bases its evidence for psychological therapy and treatment protocol)
Prior to ‘talking therapies’ these are often offered for those who have experienced trauma – as a first line response.
You do not need to have received ‘talking therapy’ first or not have responded to it.
However the mistake being made is that none of these therapies are in fact talking therapies. They all are. They simply have other additional elements of work included within them.
We know these interventions work well but the bond between client and therapist is still key.
Buttons was speaking clumsily perhaps about the use of art, equine, music therapy etc for examples of additional forms of therapy which can help.
As a trauma therapist I find her comments and those of the BRF very unhelpful around Prince Harry and the support he has gained for C-PTSD
Psychotherapy can be transformative for anyone, no matter their issues, but is a therapy of privilege
Didn’t this whole mental health campaigning of hers begin with stressing how people need to talk?
Yes exactly this. So again why are we pretending there was no malicious intent here?
Art therapy isn’t just drawing or dancing or making music. Art therapists have specific training to help those dealing with trauma use the medium to help them. Teaching artists not trained specifically in trauma also usually know when students need additional help. Her comment definitely could’ve been made in a more informed manner.
Jen, did you use the word informed when talking about Wails?
Talking therapies? What kind of grammar is that?
@Nic919 said: “This is the textbook definition of gaslighting so pretending it was just a random coincidence that Kate even spoke at all much less stated something specific about talking therapies is disingenuous.”
I couldn’t have said it better. It absolutely was a dig. She thinks she’s mastered subtext and giving herself plausible deniability. But completely ignores how shameful it is that she is effectively undercutting the very thing she claims to be championing. Just to pwn her BIL. Embarrassing.
I read all the comments and l rarely participate but now l want to say this woman get in my nerves! If she were close to me l would smack her head so hard!
After reading “Spare” l hate this woman with a heart!
Can you image someone about to start talk therapy and hear that? Or someone deciding Not to wait around for a breakthrough? That’s not her place to say that, even if she is right, especially saying they are mental health advocates. WT…?
Their stupid petty game is so obvious. Im surprised she’s the one attacking, I wonder if she was jazzhanding when that scripted line came out her mouth. Im out of words for lazy bully kkkate.
She’s attacking as Harry outed her as a mean girl who bullied his wife and then tried to take over his wedding to make it about herself.
kHate and Ma always come out swinging when someone dares to criticise Waity.
I’m not surprised. What do Kate and Camilla both do for their husbands? What is their only service now that Kate provided heirs?
Attack dog. That’s their job. Defend the patriarch/meal ticket crown at all costs.
DOUCHEDOFCAMBRIDGE, why should you be surprised she’d do this? She’s been conditioned to get and hold on to the main prize at whatever cost to the wellbeing of others, and also her own dignity. She will follow whatever line she is told, just think Princess Imani but a hard faced, ruthless one at that.
RAE SL She’s always the silent/silenced one. She usually horselaughs large enough for a hanger to fit in her smile, has conversations with 5year old kids or talks about about the weather and babies to adults, yes i have to say Im quite surprised she opened her mouth for anything other than that! Her btch moves are usually done behind the scenes.
She’s a mean girl. Harry even mentioning her and the dress thing (the audacity to stick up the black woman in Kate’s mind) is enough she probably wants to literally throttle him. Just look at the second picture on the bottom- she looks unhinged. Like the Joker.
Kate is an airhead who cant speak with any intellect but can deliver digs
Really KKKhate? So what works for you? Mumbling Therapy? 🙄🙄
Talking With a Fake Posh Accent Therapy is very highly regahhhhhhded, I understand.
Maybe she should Talk Like a Pirate? Might help.
Hahaha Red Weather Tiger 😂 very well done
I’m sorry to comment on someone’s body but I am very concerned about Kate’s weight.
She is literally disappearing. It really is quite sad.
She needs talk therapy.
What clearly works for her is either rictus grin or mean-girl sneer/stoney face…..
That is so true. She is either grinning like an idiot or has this phony somber look
I hope she disappears
Mean girl therapy – tear others down to uplift ur self
It all brings to mind the saying, “hurt people hurt people.”
So much pain. So much dysfunction.
Anyone aware of the past knows that tangled, vast machinations (especially those in the orbit of a monarchy) ensure total wreckage. There may be a last person standing at the end, but there is no win.
Clearly retail therapy is her chosen one.
^^ LOL! 🎯 💯 😂😆
Apparently, non-ethical non-monogamy is what works for her. (Lol that’s mean but I’m going there since she’s dissing therapy now.)
Talk therapy did not work for me. So there you go.
When did keen practice or even study psychology. She should just stop pretending she is an expert.
I have to wonder how actual mental health professionals feel about these amateurs giving advice and making blanket statements about what “works” and what doesn’t. The young man talking about how his music has helped him probably does other kinds of therapies, including talk therapy, as well. Can’t believe that the professionals are okay with the misinformation she spouts. Unfortunately, they are probably told not to say anything.
I’m a board certified psychiatrist and my first read of her comment had an instant response of, yup, that’s why god made meds. And less common procedures. And why Oregon is getting medically supervised and specifically administered psilocybin going.
Sure music and art is great too.
As far as the other interpretations about Kate here go, I thought she probably just wanted to sound smart and knowledgeable, which…. Gawd. So many people are in that boat. (Insert shrug)
@Brenda: my first thought upon seeing that headline was the same–yep, some of us need medication, too. Kate, of course, would never mention such a thing.
Kate literally changed from an undergrad psychology program to art history because she couldn’t handle the program. So she doesn’t even have the fundamentals to say anything. It also explains why her survey was done as if Piaget and Maslow didn’t exist, that’s because Kate didn’t take the first year psych courses that cover all the basic psychology theories over time including those specifically aimed at child development.
So Kate needs to not speak of things she does not understand and her little snarky remarks make her look petty and sad.
I thought she switched courses before starting at Uni to stalk William at St Andrews? She had the connections to know where he was going before it was made public.
I’ve never in 20 years read Kate started with psychology. It’s extremely unlikely because that’s quite a hard subject to study and she was never intellectual.
She applied for the same subject as William, history of art, at the same hall of residence, at the same university. William then switched to geography.
Psychology is not a hard program to get into at an undergrad level. It is the most common program people attend in social sciences. But kate was first in the psychology program and switched off very quickly to be in art history with William. He then changed to geography because he couldn’t handle art history.
My disgust for these two knows no bounds.
They really are horrible human beings. I don’t know how anyone can look at those two bullies the same way again.
For god’s sake, don’t dare talk about her “hormones.” Stuck up prude.
Same.
I used to be poor Kate, William really sucks. But, now they are two peas in an filthy pod.
Just when I think they can’t get worse, these two are despicable.
K also looks like the cat that got the cream here. I wonder what she is up to?
How does any mental health charity want to be associated with them anymore.
She looks like the cat that got the creme because this crisis with harry and meghan prevents william from leaving her. The monarchy can’t deal with another blow.
Exactly, even if Harry has given her an ‘out’ by highlighting just how much of a rage monster Willy is, she’ll never dare grasp the opportunity to leave. She’s too drunk on her own sense of power and nothing can stop her path to the throne now. A very calculated woman indeed.
She’s always cat /cream but she actually looks dreadful. At least 10 years older than her age.
Right? She looks like the Grinch in that first photo. It’s funny that some people were like “oh wow, she looks great” yesterday. Photoshop, guys. Every. Single. Time.
The cat that got the rancid cream and now feels kinda sick
Being that gaunt stresses the health in the long term. She’s so alarmingly lean. The last time she looked ‘good’ was after she had Louis, then she started her extreme program of weight control.
I bet this is the most unified she’s felt with William in a while. Nothing like hating Harry and Meghan to unite William in a cause with his wife and make him pay attention to her.
That and she got refreshed in the time she was away because she has more lips than she ever had. Plus the frozen look that we saw in the Caribbean.
Maybe she’s pleased at all the criticism Harry’s receiving. As she sees it as a competition between the two couples.
Maybe? But Harry pretty much always gets criticism in the BM so that’s nothing new. A crazy charismatic appearance on colbert and book sales override the criticism imo. The book sales mean that so many people are going to see her as an unwelcome and difficult sil to say the least.
She now has the ultimate PR trump card in her dealings with William and by extension Charles. A public accusation or even a hint of domestic violence would be devastating. It would produce a different response now than pre-book. The odds that he’s never laid angry hands on her are really low. If she can get separate living arrangements and minimal joint appearances while keeping the perks then that’s probably the best deal she thinks she can get. She thinks she’s safer now.
If William wants someone else Kate would be out.
I’ve been hoping and praying the truth will out. But my experience it didn’t. I’ve been called a liar and so will she be. She’s the one in a prison.
I can’t even deal with the hypocrisy of these jokers. I will say in the last picture she looks extremely unwell.
Yes, it’s so over-the-top egregious.
The smug was on display yesterday esp with this comment – she knows that regardless the UK press will, for the moment, continue to embiggen her. She thinks she got off lightly in Harry’s book but is too stupid to understand that people are now seeing her for the bully she is.
She and Ma are drunk on the power that they think being Princess of Wales gives her – being one step off the throne has made them bold, very bold.
H&M are best off being as far away from the lot of them as possible – they will never take responsibility for their actions. I hope Harry blows the whole thing open with his legal case against the Fail – it will be interesting to see what comes out with that on what else the RF and the media have been covering up.
Yes the smug was obvious and clearly oblivious to the visible effects of her own need for therapy.
Digital Unicorn, HI saw on twitter that Harry stated in an interview (I think with the Guardian?) that the book was originally 800 pages and he had to take stuff out. The stuff he took out was even more damaging to Chuck and Fails.
I said before that I thought Harry had more info that he would probably release under certain circumstances. Just leave H&M alone. If you go too far, he’ll probably publish the rest of it. I think he doesn’t want to completely destroy the family. He wants to get rid of the hold that the bm has on them. I think that’s commendable, but I don’t know how realistic it is.
The unmitigated gall and hypocrisy. Especially when her brother suffers from depression and gets therapy. That they have done family therapy together. And have gotten positive press for it. Then they turn around and denigrate and berate Harry for doing the same.
Agree, wrote something similar above before seeing your comment.
Kate plays to the cameras. She is so annoying. She and will play happy couple. She studied art history not psychology.
Kate is the real actress of the family tbh.
The girl needs a hand sanitizer tutorial. You shouldn’t touch the device due to surface germs. It defeats the purpose of the design.
No wonder they mostly release pictures of their interactions. Better to see jazz hands than the hypocritical bile coming from their mouths.
Lots of people would like to biatch slap Kate for being a hypocritical racist ahole. William and Kate made Harry and Meghan’s life impossible to live in England. Spare me the bullshit.
Why she keeps dressing to accentuate how thin she is ? Why the belt ?
Prior to the book I didn’t like her but I didn’t hate her I still don’t but now ? She just irritate me, and seeing people worry about her re William behavior I was just like y’all still believe she’s a bystander ?
This latest comment just prove to me that she’s just 100% on-board. She just care about what’s beneficial for her and that’s it.
She accentuates how thin she is because this is the only thing she has.
She should have kept the coat on. She looks awful and cankley without it. The belt does her no favors, it just accentuates how she has zero figure and looks like a plastic straw. And don’t you know, we’re abolishing plastic straws everywhere these days.
Oh, and she’s stupid.
I have no love for Kate, but I do think she’s treated horribly by Willy, and she is passing it on. and also currying favor. bet she gets some jewelry out of this performance.
and I’m sure she’s still big mad that she no longer has Harry around trying to make her laugh. she went after the Other Brother and here she is. no doubt she realized her mistake long ago. he was the buffer, and now mutual hatred of Harry is the buffer. and that’s way less fun.
these people can’t change to save their lives. there’s no way they can access therapy – not only would it “look bad” it would mean that they weren’t perfect. can’t have that. remember how the queen wouldn’t be seen in a wheelchair?
@SomeChick – What? Of course Kate has access to therapy. If she did visit someone then she doesn’t have to let us know and her therapist/doctor would be breaking all kinds of privacy laws if they so much as hinted she was under treatment. In fact as a mental health advocate she would help take away the stigma which your post is highlighting.
I would also add that it was TQ’s choice not to be seen in a wheelchair. I doubt anyone would think any less of of a 90+ year old monarch if she did use a wheelchair but, for reasons of her own she did not want us to see that way.
As for her relationship with William. I’ve said it once and I’ll keep saying it because nothing and no-one will convince me otherwise: they deserve each other!
Both Charles and Diana received therapy in the 1980s. Diana was also prescribed medication. Nobody would stop William and Kate having therapy.
Stop!
Kate has not integrity or self-respect. She is a more than willing player.
Cairidh. Diana had bulimia brought on by stress early in the marriage. Charles summoned doctors who gave her valium which was the wrong sort of treatment for her. She stopped taking valium when she found she was pregnant with William. She later got effective therapy from Dr lipsedge who had treated her sister sarah.
I’m over the defense of this mannequin
Any misery is what she deserves
I think it would have been better had she said “JUST talk therapies don’t always work for some people.” Or just said the line about how important it is to have a wide variety of therapies available. Because for many people – especially children – play therapy or art therapy can be a lot more effective than meeting with a therapist for a one-on-one talk every week or something. But the way she phrased it makes it sound like talk therapies aren’t effective at all, even the way she says “they’re not for everybody” kind of makes me feel like she’ saying “haha no darling I’m not in therapy and never will be, not for everybody.”
BUT that aside….its her next line that really ticks me off, about the negative connotations around mental health. YES there are still so many negative connotations around mental health and getting help etc and headlines about being “kidnapped by physiotherapists” do not help that at all. Bullying a pregnant woman to the verge of suicide does not help the “negative connotations.” etc.
They really need to just sit down and shut up about mental health.
From another person without the whole backstory, the sentence would have been perfectly fine… There is a reason why there are different types of therapy. But in the current situation I can not imagine them beeing so dump not to know, that this part of the sentence will be extracted and seen as a dig towards Harry.
I wonder if it was on purpose to present themselfs as the victims that were misunderstood if there is a backlash.
For sure Kate is correct – talking therapy does not work for everyone and in some cases it just exacerbates the trauma due to re-exposure with no processing.
However this was a particularly cruel barb likely aimed at Harry in the wake of the book. It’s a low blow that I didn’t even think she was capable of.
If you watch some of Harry’s recent interviews – I think there is one from ‘the me you can’t see’ where Harry discusses the nervous system, it pretty much confirms that Harry has been working with body based therapies like somatic experiencing, EMDR etc to access the trauma deep in his nervous system at a time when he would not have had the words.
Harry’ likely had to resort to non-talking therapy’s as a means to process the trauma he had struggled to make peace with after Diana’s death. The fact alone that he just couldn’t accept the reality meant he was effectively stuck with it as an adult until he was able to seek help.
This is what makes Kate’s comment all the more galling (1) because she is aware of these facts and made this throw away comment and (2) she has a brother who has had a very public fight with his own mental illness.
The more I see of how Kate assimilated into the RF, the more I understand the toxic dynamic of her own family. I hope James writes a tell all one day and lifts the lid on his co-Narc sister.
Trauma therapy isn’t ‘talk therapy’. It’s highly specialised and they don’t bring up trauma without dealing with it 🙄. I’m going through the process of finding one now for a friend and I myself have a trauma therapist. Just talk therapy is actually old hat and proves she knows nothing and should shut her pie hole. Kkkate is a bully, rejects therapy, and yet speaks on therapy? Wtaf is this bs?
Nothing in medicine or psychology works for everyone but keen chose to zero in on talk therapy. The art history major should stop playing expert in things she is not qualified to deal with.
@Tessa – totally forgot she was an Art History major – in which case that is strike (3) because she should totally had not made that statement given that she did a whole degree in Art and is “an early years expert”
Anyway the ‘proof is in the pudding as Brits say” now that she and William have children – I hope they are at the very least listening to what Harry has said. If anything he has forewarned them on the danger of the cruel system of the heir and spare.
And this is why all the people need to stop pitying kate. She didn’t have to say this bullshit and yet she did. Harry described the real her not seen by most of the general public and she felt that now was the time to bring out queen bitch and make an uneducated comment about talk therapy as if she has done even the most basic studying of psychology.
Kate is ruthless and that is how she has stayed in that family. She also does not actually care about the people who work in the NHS because that staged photo op took time away from workers who are already understaffed with a massive excess death issue happening as a result of the understaffing.
Yup, agree with everything you’re saying. Her comment was calculated.
I used to think (years ago) that she been laser focused on getting William and once she had him, she just sort of floated along after that. But in the past few years I’ve realized how ruthless she is like you said. No floating here.
Ruthless is right. Allowing this to be posted after her youngest child’s behaviour at the Jubilee received unkind comments on social media, “We all had an incredible time, especially Louis… 👀 ” tells me everything I need to know about Kate (and William). Sure they can claim it was just a joke, but what I see is the beginning of that poor toddler being scapegoated.
This, because medical professionals almost always (I’d say “always” but there might be one out there who doesn’t), say to use talk therapy in addition to medication. “Just talk therapy” is far more appropriate. And while I’m not an LCSW or trained psychologist/psychiatrist, I have worked in mental health for three years as a compliance officer. The standard is talk, talk-plus, but trying very hard to avoid Prozac Nation on repeat. And art therapy has a talk therapy component to it — the goal is to use the art to get to some verbal comprehension of what’s going on. Beyond the dig at Harry it’s wholly irresponsible.
Really Kate. And you know this how. Where are your charts to try to prove this. She is so pathetic. I wish an expert on the field would publicly call out Kate on this.
Kate is really leaning into her villain era and the Rota Rats must be rubbing their hands with glee given everything they know.
We’ve all seen how things can go pear shaped and once the Rota Rats have the circumstances to leak and take her down, they will have all these quotes and pictures to truly put the boot in with.
“talking therapies don’t work for some people – Willy was talking to his rose bushes for months and it didn’t seem to help his explosive aggression”.
Hm but she is in desperate need of it. Maybe they can help her with all her issues plus her clear eating disorder issues as well. Does she think she looks healthy? Anyone around her thinks this is healthy? That woman is skin and bones !
I’m at the point where I have no f’s to give about her health. I’m personally in trauma therapy and these two trigger me more than anyone.. They’re evil. I do not care at all what happens to her.
Big hugs
@ The Old Chick – Big Hugs.
I hope this makes you laugh. I’ve gone completely the other way. I’m now totally indifferent to Grim and Grimmer and all my anger is focused on the evil step-mother! I think between the pair of us we could shout all three of them down! 😆 😆 😆
I hope your therapy goes well and you manage to overcome your trauma issues. I’m normally not the kind of person to wish bad things on anyone but these two deserve to be exposed and taken down hard by the media.
There were no crowds to greet them either. Everyone was staff or a patient. Captive audience. Per Campaign to Abolish the Monarchy, there were two people outside who said they were H&M admirers and want to abolish the monarchy.
I can never tell if it’s malice or just stupidity. How hard is it to say “yeah, talking therapy is not always easy” or “it’s can take time to find the right environment”.
As someone in the field, I’m desperately concerned about this current “politicising” (for want of a better word) of therapy by the RF. Don’t bring an entire clinical field which supports and benefits vulnerable people into your personal beef against Harry. It’s getting facetious.
And I assume that newspaper tweet is a mock up but frankly fuck them as “mental health advocates” if they don’t come out and rebut any headlines like this (which we know there will be).
SAS, I commented above that ‘talk therapy’ is a bit old hat (unless specifically needed). I had a few therapists before finding my specialised trauma therapist and most focussed on tools and practise. I don’t think they know anything. I haven’t seen a straight ‘talk therapist’ for decades (unless that’s their style). It just is such demeaning language though
certainly, but that is not at all what this is about. do you really think Catherine has thought about this beyond trying to get a barb in? she thinks therapy of any sort is beneath her.
hi from one chick to another!
With these two it is safe to say it is always malice. We have enough stories of what they both did to Meghan and Harry to confirm that they are empty bitter people who are massively pathetic.
“Don’t bring an entire clinical field which supports and benefits vulnerable people into your personal beef against Harry.” <— that, 100%
Wow, they actually took their coats off! I wonder how long the visit lasted? Just long enough to get their digs in at Harry. Despicable people.
what absolutely ENRAGES me about the coverage is that the media is more concerned about who she’s referring to than the actual comment. She’s an art major FFS! What psychology degree does she hold? The statement is DAMAGING. End of!
As you can see from the use of capitals, yes indeed, I am ENRAGED and OUTRAGED
Yeah, it was a shitty statement and the tabloids are making it worse.
Looks like M3gan in that one picture.
She needs a total overhaul and moderndation, because Peg is so horrible he managed to give a robot a nervous breakdown.
I am fucking outraged too.
And how she says dancing is more positive. Um… I know talk therapy isn’t for everyone but it saved my fucking life. She doesn’t have to pit one as more positive than the other – hate them so so much.
Count me in as outraged too. I’m in the red mist myself. This is so incredibly irresponsible just as the notion of therapy is becoming more acceptable in the UK. And those who need it the most might be less likely now to reach out and take a chance.
As a “talk therapist” who works in an Art Therapy practice, I can say she is not wrong. My focus is on youth and many process best through art. Simple talk therapy is hard for them. We also use EMDR which is a very structured type of talk therapy that is excellent for processing trauma. The more tools in your kit, the better. And I do have the degrees and experience.
Not the issue.
The press is the issue.
That, and the people colluding with them, which right now, after the Cult of Psychotherapy headlines, is William and Kate. There was no need for them to stage this nonsense in the middle of an NHS strike. We know why she said this and how it was going to be repeated by the papers.
Harry has said how these kinds of moves are intentional.
Lots of young people will talk if adults listen.
As a therapist do you agree with a mental health advocate allowing her words to be spun to create hatred against someone who has been and probably still is in therapy for trauma?
The problem is that Kate and her “mental health advocate” husband have manipulated, abused, and physically attacked mental health patient Harry as well as mentally abusing Meghan to the point she was suicidal.
Just a few days ago there was a screaming article about how Harry was “kidnapped by psychotherapists” and Kate and Will didn’t have the decency to issue a basic comment against it. They. Stayed. Silent.
Kate and Willy should never be allowed to be near a mental health facility nor should they be allowed to speak on the topic because they are raging abusers who *deliberately* and *gleefully* manipulate and abuse the mental health of others.
On a more positive note: Thank you for the work YOU are doing to help people with mental health struggles. You are doing so much good. 💙
Thank you for your professional opinion and for the good work you do. However it doesn’t change my attitude towards Kate and William one whit. They are both dangerously unwell, mentally and emotionally. William is a narcissistic rage monster to the point where he is physically violent. Kate is a walking compendium of EDs and body dysmorphia. I can’t think of two more unsuitable people to speak to or represent mental health issues.
She still sucks and the whole family is gaslighting garbage. Ppl like her have prevented me and my friend from seeking out the therapy we’ve needed for years. And no no one forced us not to find help but bad gaslighting doctors and passive agressive family and friends made the journey much harder than it had to be. F her and f them
Better if they had fully disappeared. They are likely causing so much harm weighing in on this serious issue.
#AbolishTheMonarchy
Closed questions!
‘Has it helped?’
What about ‘how has producing music helped you?’ This is their job and they are SO BAD at it. We are getting negative return on our investment. We need money to pay the actual public servants so pull the plug on these incompetents.
Do you think she’s capable of thinking and saying something more profound? I’m pretty sure that she has her talking points from her team and she just repeats them during these meetings, without thinking…just word salads… her total inability to communicate the message about the importance of additional therapeutic methods is outstanding… and even more outstanding and dangerous is the fact that the press used this particular phrase to emphasize as a dig to Harry… as other CB commenters have mentioned above:”the press is the issue “
They are really bad at simple engagement, which only highlights the true purpose of these visits: photo ops for the royals.
How could they not know the “therapy doesn’t work for everyone” talking point would turn into a headline that undermines their own mental health work?
They could have talked about this program’s benefits without pitting it against other mental health tools.
Who the F are their comms people?
I brief people who work in the non-profit for interviews for a living — this is an obvious faux pas.
Was this a faux pas or an intentional dig?
Anyone trying to explain away her comment or give her the benefit of the doubt is an idiot (among other things). She has shown us who she is countless times over the years and some of you insist on seeing the nonexistent good in her 🙃
Harry has basically flat-out told us that these people don’t do anything by accident and yet some people still refuse to believe it.
Her words will stop someone from getting help. All because of a petty vendetta. There is not enough bad karma for someone like that.
KKKhate is pathetic and so is their amateurish communications office that believes this blatant dig works in their favor. Both Wales don’t get it. This is bad advice to those dealing with real family trauma. So what if a person’ is actively being abused. Be quiet and paint. Let the abusers do the talking. The message isn’t subtle at all.
So what works for you, Katie Keen? Popping a whole bunch of pills and pretending your life isn’t an absolute disaster? Because we all know that’s how you cope. These two are probably the most despicable people I have ever witnessed in real-time. Her comments were absolutely targeted towards Harry, considering she’s never said anything of substance in her life. How ridiculous for mental health charities to keep platforming these two abusers. It’s all an absolute con.
It’s getting to the point where their words are becoming increasingly dangerous. They think they hurt Harry & Meghan with these petty digs, but they are only damaging the people surrounding them and those who are stupid enough to look up to them.
If you look at the corporate structure of these charities, who heads them and the hands they wash – it becomes clear why they’re in lock step with the Royal Family.
The whole systems of how charities are given their status and Royal Assent needs to be looked into in the UK. It’s rife with corruption and cronyism and very little of that money reaches the intended recipients.
So is it any wonder that with such a corporate structure and business model that they gravitate towards the Royals and each gives each the other ‘good PR’.
I have a red list of charities I NEVER donate to for the last 10 years. Now it’s direct action or grass roots and btw NEVER donate via your companies fundraiser as they PR any donations as having come from them directly and never differentiate that donations were made by company employees.
Neither does Botox, apparently, but it doesn’t stop her from trying.
Brilliant!
Is it really so difficult to say: “I am so glad you found the right type of therapy for you. Finding the kind of therapy and the therapist that suits you is never easy.One size doesn’t fit all.”Just sayin’…
My god, I wish this under-worked, over-privileged woman would think before she speaks. I’d have given anything to access talking therapy when I had PND. I couldn’t afford it, so I just struggled through it alone. It was a dark time for me.
If the people Kate was speaking to have a range of therapies available to them, then that is awesome and she should not be speaking about any form of therapy in a negative way. Honestly, letting this couple be advocates for mental health is just plain irresponsible.
Ppl like the concept of “therapy” to a point. They like when you start feeling better but hate it when you start holding ppl accountable. This is why the majority of ppl in the UK despise Harry and accept Andrew bc to them the image of family is more important than the mental well-being of said family. Kate who normally never says anything purposely said this knowing it will be distorted and she does not care.
It will be interesting to see how Charlotte and Louis cope growing up but considering Kate’s family is close I think they will be better off than Harry was but if George bullies them and no one does anything well they can always crash with uncle Harry I suppose
Kate’s family is not perfect. Because no family is perfect. They had their own issues and problems. One glaring thing is that Kate never had to earn her own money and waited 10 years for the ring. In this day and age, this is an anachronism. And it did not give Kate a chance to have a career and use her education. It was not that she was going to rush to get married after she and William were handed their diplomas. It took some years after that. Kate and Pippa were brought up to marry well. I hope Charlotte gets a more modern way of life and gets a career of her own. George is already bringing brought up as being more “special” as the heir to the heir. So I am not that optimistic.
Majority of people despise Harry? Is it so? Why, because he has his family (wife and kids) to protect? Maybe because this “majority” was told to despise/hate Harry by tabloids? Anyway, strange conclusion. I hope, for the majority of British, it’s not true.
The people polled also like pedo Andrew more than Harry so if that is an accurate picture of the British public then they have major issues.
The Middletons have a whole other bag of issues so the kids will need someone outside of either group to understand well balanced people. Nanny Maria is likely the only person in their life who doesn’t have some kind of narcissistic dysfunction on the go.
The way she words things does nothing to reduce the stigma of ‘talk’ therapy.
She’s not referring to CBT or DBT as alternatives because she considers them talk therapy.
Instead she’s promoting art therapy to expand the conversation? Girl, get wrecked. This is the opposite of helping.
I am pissed as hell as I come to this realization – she has a lot of goddamned nerve talking about how art therapy is so good for people when she did absolutely NOTHING to help The Art Room, one of her patronages, from closing, and art therapy was its entire point!
A LOT of people think CBT is talking therapy – we know its not but there is a lot of misinformation out there on it. I know people who have done it and it was very beneficial for them.
I dislike Kate very, very much. That said, it seems pretty clear that this wasn’t an out-of-context comment about “talk therapy isn’t for everyone.” She was Directly responding to what the kid said about making music helping him to express his emotions in a way he couldn’t do with talk therapy. She is not a well-spoken individual, and she used the very common tactic of parroting back what he said in different words to validate his comment. And the BM turned it into something awful about Harry, and you all are buying into it just because you hate her. She’s done horrible things to Meghan and deserves that condemnation. But I honestly don’t see this. It’s evil spin from the BM to create drama IMO.
Nah. See my above comment. She was a patron of The Art Room which specialized in art therapy. They closed and she lifted no finger to help. She doesn’t care about other therapies. This is about Harry. He literally said they purposely do these kinds of things and work directly with the tabloids to help create this spin. Why would this be different?
Kate barely speaks and now is the time she decides to say something that just happens to snark on Harry? Nope. Not a coincidence at all.
Ugh, these morons. Talk therapy isn’t just being in a clinical environment lying on a couch. There are different mental health professionals and treatment modalities tailored to individual needs. Children need different outlets – a pre school or kindergarten teacher could tell you that. This teenager is able to express himself thru music and even says it helps better than being in a clinical environment. Where and from whom did he learn to express that sentiment? I glad that this method seems to be working for him.
Language like this is detrimental, esp when talking to teenagers, who tend to bottle up their feelings around adults and also have trouble articulating them. These two need to find something else to “champion” bc mental health is nowhere near their extremely limited wheelhouse. My professor used to always say, “if you can’t help, don’t harm.” And I never forgot that.
That whole outfit incl the hair extension is a copy Of Meghan look from her departured from the Aust. —-> NZ tour (2018 – Meghan wore that dress in burgundy)
https://www.etonline.com/meghan-markle-and-prince-harry-leave-australia-for-new-zealand-on-last-leg-of-royal-tour-112442
I really liked the colour Meghan’s dress and the dress itself. I think the dress looks great on Kate too, but somehow those sleeves ruin the silhouette for me. I think Meghan wore them pushed up a bit and Kate just seems to let them hang.
I’ve heard Kate float the idea that there are various therapies and no one therapy works for everyone before this. However, context is everything, and she should be aware that with the memoir out, she should be aware of how her remark might be taken, especially since she was talking to someone doing music therapy. But it seems like the idea is one she has been practising to say, and she throws it out at every opportunity. It just makes me think she is limited in understanding of others and in making a genuine response to what people are saying to her.
Are these two in therapy? Do they have first-hand experience of the positive effect of therapy? Or do they just insist on describing therapy as good for the “other”?
Are you kidding me? Didn’t you know they are perfect? No need for therapy for them, no..(eyeroll!)
This is deplorable.
Holy cow this is horrible. She can say talk therapy is a good resource in addition to these other resources but she had to get a dig in at talk therapy instead.
I find this so offensive because it took me MONTHS to find a therapist here in the US. I can afford to pay out of pocket and I still had a terrible time finding a therapist that was taking new patients. These people know absolutely nothing about mental health and they should STFU. They are offensive and harmful.
Yeah, I’m with you, completely.
Kate either knew what she was doing or she’s stupid. She and William should not be advocates for mental health.
Kate says, “there are these more positive spaces and experiences out there,“ referring to Open Door Charity and other similar organizations. What are she and her husband, wealthy, connected, famous people who claim to care about mental health, doing to “get across” that such spaces exist? Other than stopping by for a photo op, what are they doing to ensure continued funding or increase access by those who would benefit the most?
Nothing, it seems.
I also can’t help but suspect that access to more common forms of psychotherapy through the NHS reputedly has such long wait times that Kate was instructed to downplay its usefulness. That’s probably too sophisticated a scheme, though, and she was simply being an asshole to her brother-in-law.
I’m okay with a person discussing various subjects even if they don’t have a formal education on the topic. Kate *could* have learned and prepared for these events in order to help showcase their services.
However, not only does she not do that (like ever) and misses every. damn. opportunity. to be of actual value to the organizations but in the case of this organization Madam Art History major *couldn’t even ask art based questions and help draw the line between art and art therapy*.
You will never convince me this woman has a legitimate degree (earned by doing the actual work vs someone donating money and/or she was dating a future king so her work was glossed over) in art history. I have never met an art student/art history major who was apathetic about art like Kate is.
Great observation and great point. Kate is so deeply uneducated, ignorant, and provincial. It’s an embarrassment to the UK but most don’t realize they should be.
The only thing is Kate acts like she knows all about the topic and poses as an expert. Someone can talk from experience about a specific therapy. Which is fine. But Kate can’t go preaching about something she knows nothing about nor experienced directly. Kate never really used her art history degree.
Completely agree. My point was Kate *could* learn and help but she’s lazy and apathetic and useless.
More than one former classmate will say that Kate was known for blatantly copying off of others even during tests. To the point where someone set her up putting in false answers when she was looking and then changing it after.
She was provided this line by Poor Jason (I’ve reclaimed Poor as in character now) and practiced its delivery for hours and hours. This woman barely speaks at engagements, just nods, grins, and guffaws, but all of a sudden after she’s thoroughly exposed as the gruff megabitch she is, she’s able to throw shade? Please.
This was setup. The Cambridges are uncouth barbarians, neither one can speak about or refer to Harry that coolly.
On the news each day, I see case studies of people who actually go out and work and make a difference. There was someone on today, a young woman who established a charity so the elderly who could not afford to keep their pets would not have to give them up for adoption — contributing pet supplies and so on. She started this charity at a young age and pitched in and got people to help her charity and it is a success.. Starting with the “basics” like this, would benefit Kate, William and other royals instead of just getting preachy and doing nothing.
The picture where she’s smiling she looks really pretty.
The magic of extreme photoshop. Mean Girl looks rough and tossed in real life.
Photoshop magic babee!
Sure, Kate
Yes, renowned mental health expert Kate Wails …
This was 100% a bitchy shot at Harry. Mental health charities should drop the royals today. The royals are actively harming their cause.
I agree that talking therapies do not work for everyone.
Some of us need to change therapists too IRL. I did.
PTSD is difficult to deal with for many of us, myself included.
If you are struggling in life you need to try to find what works for you, it may take several things.
My life experiences have nothing to do with any Royal people whatever.
Harry wrote something interesting in his book about how William and Kate are encouraged by KCIII, when he was Prince of Wales, not to do much lest they overshadow the future monarch. I sometimes wonder why Kate seems ill-prepared when she does an engagement; she’s too afraid to show an actual interest and work. On the other hand, I also think she’s fundamentally lazy, given that she took two years off after college graduation to hang out with William before getting a job, a job where she only worked four days a week and didn’t last a year in.
I think that she is fundamentally lazy and I don’t think it has anything to do with Charles, but it IS something that coincidentally worked out for him.
If you see the monarchy as a “firm” or corporate entity, there’s nothing really controversial about having your coms reflect the hierarchy of the organization. It’s clear that this idea has been hurtful in a family context. Families are complicated.
I don’t think she worked all four days. She was not seen that much by colleagues.
What i don’t get is she has low work numbers but in the times she went out with other senior royal family she makes herself the center of attention like when she wore that over flashy gold gown.
W&K could easily do 500 bread-and-butter engagements per year each and still not outshine anyone. They are both fundamentally lazy and uncharismatic.
Even IF Charles had encouraged it, which I still think is Harry lying to cover William or believing yet another lie his abusive older brother told him? William NEVER showed up full time for either SAR or EAAA. People came forward on record and admitted William was rarely if ever at work. He wasn’t doing royal engagements, he wasn’t working at SAR/EAAA. He was off on holiday, chasing other women, cheating on his wife, blaming someone else for his lot in life, and LYING about working to get PR.
And Keen? She’s never worked an honest day in her life. The Jigsaw job, arranged by her mummy, was 3 days a week. She quickly went down to 2 days a week to be ‘available’ for William to be his ‘Sex Waiting’. The whole thing was less than 9 months, including the paid compassionate leave time she took when William dumped her again.
KP staff admitted they were contacted by W&K *once a month*. No wonder they were mad when Meghan showed up and expected them to do their jobs.
ok, hear me out. i know this is a charged topic. i know this is going to get me a lot of hate and people will crucify me likely for having an unpopular opinion… but i would like to say there is a twisting of words also happening here too by the daily mail. she said talk therapy doesn’t work for everyone in response to someone that really found positive effect from music therapy…not completely false in what she’s saying. as someone working in the psych world, there are individuals that do better when engaging in other activities rather than just one on one talking. there is art therapy and music therapy and those are important as well. here the daily mail is stirring the pot and saying that was a dig at Harry, but when you read the context of what she said it was in response to someone saying music therapy really helped them, and she acknowledged that it’s a valid form of therapy. she followed it up with why it’s important to have different types of therapies. i know everyone is going to comment on how problematic she is making this comment when M and H were bullied, but I would just not like to play into the tabloid’s games with their charged title and really see what is said…which i don’t think is very controversial.
I would agree with this if it weren’t for the fact that William and Kate work directly WITH the Mail and always have.
This is the issue with this family. Any one of these incidents – lip gloss, bridesmaid dresses, offhand comments – are benign by themselves. But put all together, it’s a sinister picture, and that picture is fed to the press by these people.
This family doesn’t believe in therapy. Kate didn’t care about the Art Room, and Heads Together was all Harry. They don’t care about mental health.
The comment by itself is benign. The context is important. HUGELY important.
@bookworm Her entire comment is indeed benign and accurate. The press exploitation of it in this context is disgusting. Both because it muddies the positive message and exploits the participants. I can’t see how anyone wants that.
It’s targeted and mean. She’s signed the invisible contract with blood she knows what she got herself into
Pls miss me with that. Good ole burgundy mean girl posse Kate does in fact plan her mean girl crap ahead of time. Like this is the only crap she plans ahead with
Since she has been allowed to refute media stories involving botox and wiglets and anything else that didn’t suit her, then she could totally ask for a retraction of a story that is misquoting her. Where is that complaint?
She managed to get Tatler to change things she didn’t like. If this article stays as is then we know our answer.
I suffer from PTSD & agoraphobia and every time I see Kate & Willy it triggers me as mine was caused by abusive family. I’m in the UK and if they ever visit where I live I’ll be there letting them know that I wouldn’t accept any help from any charity either of them or both are involved with. I may even wear a H&M t-shirt even if I’m shaking with nerves. 😤
Take care of yourself first. Don’t let these two control you
Wow, she needs an intervention & therapy. She is so thin & unhealthy looking
She really looks awful — no amount of botox, injectables, makeup and wiglets can cover that up. Having had a sister who died of EDs, it’s nearly impossible to make someone get therapy if they don’t want it. They are in total denial about their condition, as she was, and she ended up losing her life as a result.
This is a glorious self-own Kate, and you’re too dense to know it. Yes, it is true “talk therapy does not work for everyone.” However, ‘everyone’ in this context = ABUSERS. Talk therapy doesn’t work for abusers! It doesn’t work for people with personality disorders, such as antisocial personality disorder (+psychopathy, sociopathy), it doesn’t work for people with narcissistic personality disorder. It doesn’t work for assholes and abusers like Kate, William, Charles and Camilla, and that is no compliment. She insults herself.
Know what else doesn’t work? Hand sanitizer to prevent the transmission of airborne respiratory viruses in a time of high COVID, RSV and flu. Wear a damn mask, Kate. Masks work for everyone.
(Hand sanitizer for the contact-borne pathogens, sure.)
I just want to photoshop that pic so it says Puerile on the hand sani.
But that would interfere with her photo opp!
In this case, I don’t actually think it’s about Harry. It’s oddly worded, but I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt here: they’re probably referring to EMDR and art therapy treatments for PTSD/CPTSD victims. Those therapies aren’t widely known, so a lot of laypeople wouldn’t recognize the official names of them, hence why people refer to them as alternatives to talk therapy or CBT (cognitive behavioral therapy). Modern trauma therapy, especially for the recently recognized CPTSD, does not find the CBT approach to be particularly helpful, so they’ve turned to a practice of approaching it as a full body illness instead of one that only impacts the mind.
Whether they did a good job of conveying that or did proper research into what they were highlighting is a different matter lol.
I doubt Kate even knows anything about EMDR and CBT. She’s what she always has been – a mannequin to stand there and mouth a few barely understood inanities. She’s a walking example of EDs and body dysmorphia. No amount of cosmetic intervention and fake hair can cover that up. William has NPD and severe anger issues. How on earth those two have the hubris to pretend to be mental health advocates beggars belief.
I’m just picturing some professional testing to explain CBT and EMDR to these people, realizing the glazed look she’s receiving, and just handing them the most basic grade level talking points lol. Sometimes it’s fine to be a mannequin if you just hand over the check and stay quiet otherwise when you’re dealing with material this sensitive. No need to distract with excessive ignorance.
What’s maddening about her comment is that it is both correct (in a clinical sense) and so, so shady.
Where to begin?
Does this explain why the Head Start organization that was created by Harry under the aegis of the Royal Foundation sold all the data from its users to pharmaceutical companies.
So they can provide the means to self-medicate, even if talking therapy can work.
No wonder William wants a wife like Harry.
Kate can be such a harpy, so no matter how much she cosplay being Megan….
Kate is Kate is Kate…
And not in a good way…
Not if your therapist can’t understand you because you have a fake posh accent, Khate. But it would really do you good, that is if therapy can really treat Mean Girlism.
But talk therapy ISN’T for everyone. Just like 12- step doesn’t work for EVERYONE with addiction. There does need to be a range of therapies available.
I do love that black dress…
I find the Sun’s headline malicious. Kate’s quote in it’s entirety is not really controversial.
Welp I guess they finally get a taste of what Harry and Meghan have been dealing with. They’ve gotten a break for 6 years.
I saw Rebecca English running to “clarify” kates comments..funny they couldn’t do any of that for Harry and Meghan. Welp karma
I’ve seen mumbles dumb shit for years at this point assuming her stuff is malicious wins me more bets than not
This is a self own, as in “I want William to go through marriage therapy with me and totally give up his rose bush activities so we can be just as in love as H & M.” And Will refuses to be dragged to therapy. Maybe she thinks their loud fighting is ‘talk therapy’ in the same way she thinks her Early Years project is actually research work.
Much to do about nothing. She was taking the importance of different range of therapy.
“One boy replied that using music as a tool helps him express his emotions through something he enjoys. He said: ‘Producing music and letting out what you’re feeling is better than saying it in a clinical atmosphere. I can put it into words. That was tough to explain!’
Kate said: ‘Talking therapies don’t work for some people, they’re not for everybody. It’s so important to have a range of therapies.’”
It’s also entirely certain that her remarks were prepared in collaboration with the coms teams on both sides of the visit. I understand a lot of hurtful things have happened in this family, and they should be addressed by the parties, but putting a pall on the visit is just another press intrusion.
How many times does Harry have to say that these people are directly involved with how the press writes these headlines for you to believe it?
The contract has been laid bare and yet you’re still keeping your eyes closed to it.
Furthermore why shouldn’t this visit have a pall on it? It is a mockery of the NHS workers striking and took away resources from people who needed it and wasted everyone’s time.
Kate is not an expert. She cannot make these pronouncements that scholars and practitioners make.
Right. That’s why these media opportunities are choreographed and comments written, shared and vetted by the communications staff of the parties. It’s their job.
Someone should have asked Kate to name the ranges of therapy
Once again, photos of Kate trying to pretending Will actually interacts with her, but no photos of him actually looking at her. All these smiley, “I’m so proud of my husband” bullshit shots, no substance.
She’s not wrong….
It’s kind of ironic that W&K are still involved with mental health initiatives, considering their family’s obviously ongoing negative attitude toward therapy etc. and Will’s obvious emotional issues.
Having said that, Kate is correct here – talk therapy doesn’t work for everybody. Since she was specifically addressing the fact that alternative forms of treatment (like music/art therapy) were offered at this facility, it seems like a perfectly appropriate comment to me – and it addresses something a lot of people don’t know, which counts as raising awareness (something the royals should be trying to do).
It’s true that traditional talk therapy doesn’t work for everyone. I work with many young people around the world, and many of them don’t want talk therapy or clinical treatment. What’s important is that we build a continuum of community-based care that can meet people where they are and give them what they need in the moment that they need it.
I find K&W terribly problematic (putting it mildly) along with nearly all of the racist BRF. However, her comments are absolutely on target here. I say this as a survivor of prolonged, severe childhood abuse and also as a serious student of PTSD and cPTSD. For perhaps the only time ever for the rest of my life, I’m in complete agreement with what Kate said and have no shade to give. She’s right. And, as far as I’m aware, she didn’t say or imply anything negative about talk therapy in this particular context.
Oh god I really dislike her but shes right. It’s a major issue that many NHS trusts and cmht only offer a few (often cheap) forms of intervention which don’t work for everyone. Like everyone has done do cbt to get the next thing even though its not a university panacea and in fact made me worse until I could assess proper psychological therapy
Sorry now without spelling errors Oh god I really dislike her but shes right. It’s a major issue that many NHS trusts and cmht only offer a few (often cheap) forms of intervention which don’t work for everyone. Like everyone has to edo cbt to get the next thing even though its not a universial panacea and in fact made me worse until I could access proper psychological therapy
My understanding is that CBT is particularly favored bc insurance companies (at least here in the states! I dont know anything about England’s system!) like it a lot. It’s quantifiable, more so than other therapies, so if a worker has issues, does CBT, and “completes” it, they can come back to work and the company can close the loop on it which also limits future liability issues (and also has the effect of blaming the worker if they can’t “get better” after that). It’s awful and gross and all my friends who are practitioners in the field hate it and won’t use it themselves in their own therapy and if they’re constrained to use it when counseling others they supplement as much as they’re legally able to in the scope of their employment. CBT is awful (but if it has helped people, then I’m really glad for them!)
These are all awful pictures of her and I love you guys for that lmao. She’s truly getting the face she deserves.
I’m a trauma therapist and Kate’s not wrong about talk therapy especially in children. Most trauma healing requires somatic and exposure type treatments like EMDR, Sand Play, music, etc. This is because trauma is stored in the body and children who are abused young don’t have language to articulate abuse, but their bodies remember abuse. Talking does also work for many folks. Essentially nothing works for everyone and everything works for someone. To be trauma informed is to have a variety of modalities available and above all that those we serve feel safe, understood and in relationship while moving at a safe pace
Where Kate is wrong is thinking you can be both a mental health advocate AND stay silent on headlines like “Harry has been kidnapped by the cult of psychotherapy” and staying silent when the media tried to use Harry’s brave still frame of him engaging in an EMDR session to show how non invasive and healing it is to make fun of it and bullying your sister inlaw to the point of suicidal ideation and then NOT support her in getting help.
To me, the story is not what she said here about therapy, the story is how her saying anything about mental health is triggering for folks regardless of whether or not what she says is incorrect. I’m all for people using their platform to advocate for better mental health services, but Kate is not helping if she’s not willing to get her hands dirty.
Psychotherapy is political! Getting into mental health advocacy ain’t for the weak and it ain’t for the silent! You have to get into the arena and and be willing to fight. You can’t just shout what to do from the peanut gallery. H and M have made errors in their mental health advocacy, but they are in the arena taking hits with us so I respect them. Kate’s in the cheap seats screaming at the players what they should do next and passing it off as equivalent.
Sometimes the drunk idiot screaming at the NBA players that they need to “get into the paint” is correct, but that doesn’t mean he’s about to get hired as a coach. Kate is that correct drunk in the peanut gallery who won’t get onto the court and sweat out, own her mistakes and do better.
“…trauma is stored in the body…” Wow, I did not know that. I thought it was strictly a mental aliment. Not to get super-technical, but does it work like muscle memory, where your body recalls how to walk and talk, etc? Or is it a nerve thing? Thanks!
I’ve read of people having craniosacral therapy or colonic irrigation suddenly reliving a trauma in the middle of it, to the point of sobbing hysterically.
Rebirthing is good for releasing trauma. (It’s not reliving your birth, it’s a deep breathing technique. The idea is to breathe it out instead of getting it out by talking.).
Myofascial release (working on the fascia/connective tissues) is said to be particularly good at releasing trauma.
Shiatsu, deep tissue massage and even yoga all help too.
I’m a Reiki practitioner and teacher. I’ve had clients break down crying in the middle of a session as they release trauma. I’m also a certified hypnotist and have taken clients back to traumatic events that they’ve buried to help alleviate anxiety and panic attacks. There are many modalities that can help people deal with deeply buried issues. In any event, Kate simply revealed that she’s still the stupid mean girl who knows literally nothing about the many therapeutic methods that can help people deal with mental health issues. It was a deliberate insult to Harry, and she and her incandescent husband should look within themselves and get therapy for their very obvious mental health problems.
I found a therapist who specialized in historic abuse. My childhood abuse was so bad I blanked out the seven years between 5-12. I was 13 for ten days the first time I tried suicide. It was shortly after that when I figured out how to put myself into a fugue state by concentrating as hard as I could on the amount of times my mother hit me. If I could keep track of the blows I wouldn’t feel them. That was important, my mother would go beyond nuts if I cried or made any noise. I almost always made noise, because it hurt so bad. I don’t know how I did it, and it was truly scary. I used to be so afraid that one day my brain would just decide to not come back. My therapist told me that my body remembers every bit of the abuse suffered during those years. She also told me that until I could remember and deal with the pain, it would adversely affect the rest of my life. I ended the therapy at that point, same with other therapists. The minute they start talking hypnosis to remember I quit. My theory is that those 7 years were so bad, my brain blanked them for my own protection. If it was so bad I spent years in a fugue, I don’t want to remember. What I do remember is bad enough, I don’t need to remember more.
Thanks, Cairidh, Jaded, and Lady D!
Slippers4life, everything you said seems true to me and I appreciate that you shared it. The royal family will not ever ‘be real’ because that’s not their standard. None of them should ever be the Face for anything as important as mental health. ESPECIALLY mental health.
Whoever manages their calendar should be replaced. Visiting a mental health center the same week that the memoir dropped is PR malpractice. I’m sure they think it’s a retort but it only works on the already converted. To everyone else it looks tone deaf beyond description.
I just finished watching H&M on Netflix (I know I’m behind the times) and I have to say I feel so horribly for them, but also moved on how they found their own family in friends. I find the British press and tabs to be toxic and it would serve everyone to stop buying and reading them all together now!
Looks like M3gan in that close up picture.
She needs a total overhaul including AI, because Peg is so horrible he managed to give a robot a nervous breakdown.
I think things would have gotten really interesting if someone had asked Kate what is the basis for her statement that talk therapy doesn’t work for some, does she know of any examples and how does she evaluate whether a therapy has failed or succeeded.
In any case, I believe the article that used Kate’s statement is more about the royalists and royalist media who are mad that Harry is free and that he has forged a happy and productive life beyond their control and on his own terms. They (W&K, C&C, the firm, the royalists and royalist media) thought Harry was their property and that he had no rights except those they granted him. They are mad, mad that he dared to leave and be happy about it.
Regardless of what her intention may have been – she’s not wrong. For me, talk therapy was sometimes harmful, but I also don’t have an issue with repressing my feelings. I’m much more geared toward psychedelics and neurofeedback etc for my PTSD.
Her statement, without the context of what is happening in the Royal Family, isn’t wrong. I’ve struggled with talk therapy but I responded very well to CBT. So there is truth in what she says. However, it doesn’t come across as sincere because it simply reads (and I feel was intended) as a swipe at Harry and Meghan.
We see you, Kate. We hear what you are REALLY saying.
I’m a clinical counsellor – CBT is a form of talk therapy for sure. She is probably referring to psychotherapy (like in the Freudian tradition) but she said “talk therapy” – that includes CBT, DBT, couples counselling, family systems therapy, ACT, EFT, and countless other models that help save lives every day. She really duffed this one.
Whether intended or not, the statement make Kate look snotty and stupid. I’m surprised the Sun highlighted this and put the quote in a thought bubble and point it at Kate.
The only comment I have-please don’t criticize others who need to talk-if talking helps someone improve their mental health-so be it-if they improve their mental health through other means so be it-but I believe even if you find some other method of dealing with mental health than talking-be sure they understand others sometimes question their actions and then they will have talk enough about it to explain why-I watched a show about a teenager who loved doing ballet-but his father and brother disapproved vehemently-they would not listen to his reasons or how he was feelings about ballet-they just shut him down-how much mental stress does that cause.
What she fails to acknowledge is that talk therapy gave this young person the tools to identify their emotion and informs the musical therapy by which they are supported to release it. A dangerous statement by a stupid woman.
Kate is an empty vessel. Giving her credit for anything she says is like congratulating a squirrel for finding a nut.
It wouldn’t surprise me at all if this entire visit was planned just so she could deliver that line. It’s exactly like Harry said, they’re a cross between a soap opera and a walking pantomime.
Just so. Kate never speaks except from a script. The visit AND her lines were planned so that Kate could make a dig at Harry, i.e. “Talk therapy obviously didn’t work for Harry.”
I think the real takeaway here–besides having someone who knows nothing about therapy giving an opinion–is that the Fail deliberately made a headline to make Wails look bad. AND THEN REBECCA ENGLISH CLARIFIED WAIL’S COMMENT.
I hope that’s what is noted globally. Wouldn’t it have been nice if they had done that with Meghan?
We see you.
I hate agreeing with Kate about anything, but — well. I have ME/CFS, so I have some pretty serious issues with the whole “go to therapy it fixes everything!” idea that I often run into. Most of us with ME/CFS were told what we needed was CBT and exercise for SO long, and both of those cause us harm. Exercise at least only harms us physically. Being told your physical problem is all in your head — that sticks. Obviously this isn’t what she was talking about — she doesn’t care about disabled people, let alone people with the kind of disability that doesn’t allow them to be ~inspirational~ or whatever. But it sticks with me.
Now, there are other people for whom talk therapy doesn’t work, and that doesn’t mean there’s anything wrong with them. But there is one particular kind of person regular talk therapy super doesn’t work for: An abuser. It just lets them learn how to abuse better. Or to be a happier abuser. Therapy has to be specially tailored for them, and it’s not always going to work. A lot of people really don’t get this, and it’s why I don’t think “therapy,” just therapy, would do much to truly help Will.
have you tried DNRS or Gupta? I’m starting gupta next week!
And fillers and wiglets don’t work for some people either.
What a kerfuffle, when the true Royal Family are living in Australia, descended from the Plantagenet line. Google “Abney-Hastings”…..