We were told back in 2017-18 that Meghan Markle’s engagement ring consisted of two diamonds from a piece of Princess Diana’s jewelry. It was said that Prince Harry used one of Diana’s old pieces and repurposed the diamonds, plus the largest stone in Meghan’s three-stone ring was ethically sourced from Botswana. I know I’m a broken record about this, but I enjoy the jewelry stories and I was fascinated by Harry’s goal of including Diana as much as possible, even the original plan was to have Meghan wear the Spencer Tiara. In Spare, Prince Harry details how he went about putting the ring together. His description includes a notable little story about Prince William and Kate too:
I took a ring from Meg’s jewelry box and gave it to a designer, so he’d know her size. Since he was also the keeper of Mummy’s bracelets, earrings and necklaces, I asked him to harvest the diamonds from one particularly beautiful bracelet of Mummy’s and use those to create a ring.
I’d cleared all this in advance with Willy. I’d asked my brother if I could have the bracelet, and told him what it was for. I don’t recall him hesitating, for one second, in giving it to me. He seemed to like Meg, despite his oft-cited concerns. Kate seemed to like her too. We’d had them over for dinner during one of Meg’s visits, and Meg cooked, and everything was good. Willy had a cold: he was sneezing and coughing, and Meg ran upstairs to get him some of her homeopathic cure-alls. Oregano oil, turmeric. He seemed charmed, moved, though Kate announced to the table that he’d never take such unconventional remedies.
We talked about Wimbledon that night, and Suits, and Willy and Kate weren’t brave enough to admit to being superfans. Which was sweet.
The only possibly discordant note I could think of was the marked difference in how the two women dressed, which both of them seemed to notice. Meg: ripped jeans, barefoot. Kate: done up to the nines. No big deal, I thought.
Along with the diamonds from the bracelet I’d asked the designer to add a third—a blood-free diamond from Botswana. He asked if there was a rush. Well…now that you mention it…
[From Spare by Prince Harry]
First off, I wonder if William and Kate ever confessed to being Suits fans to Meghan. Harry makes it sound like W&K always avoided telling Meg, like it was a shameful secret that they both knew who Meghan was long before Harry started dating her. No wonder Kate and the Middletons were so unsettled! Secondly, Harry is such a shady B – “He seemed charmed, moved, though Kate announced to the table that he’d never take such unconventional remedies.” Kate is so rude, my God. Even if Kate privately side-eyed Meghan’s homeopathic cures, Kate should have the class to not announce it to the table – Kate was a guest in their home, where Meghan had cooked dinner. There’s also kind of a consistent narrative that Kate and William would visit Nottingham Cottage but they barely asked Meghan and Harry over to their luxurious apartment in the main palace. Poor Meghan had to cook AND be stared down by Kate wearing some designer ensemble AND Kate insulted Meghan’s vitamins.
As for the jewelry stuff… I wonder how many pieces of Diana’s private jewelry are left and whether Harry still has any kind of access to those pieces.
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So now we see it. Meghan did something nice for William and Kate felt threatened as his wife. Lol.
I sort of feel like william had a thing for meghan. Maybe not any big feelings but just… that if anyone was going out with a woman like that it should have been him?
However i do feel like Spare has put those affair rumours to rest for a bit. William and kate’s marriage does come across as solid in the book.
Harry wouldn’t write anything in his memoir about their marriage so I don’t think that is the indicator of stability. His book is about his story not their marital issues.
I think it’s “solid” in the sense they’re both cut from the same cloth and too lazy to change it.
I’m sure William did have a thing for her, in some way. Kate always copies the personal style of the women he admires.
First of all, Harry would never comment on the state of their marriage. Secondly, he’s made it clear he was never invited over. So he probably never witnessed anything. William didn’t even tell Harry he was planning on getting engaged.
I sort of feel like william had a thing for meghan. Maybe not any big feelings but just… that if anyone was going out with a woman like that it should have been him?
THIS! This is it. William is entitled, and that I think is his dominant trait. He thinks that he should have the best of everything because he is the heir. He deserves the better causes (barf), he deserves the better ideas, he deserves the credit, he deserves the accolades, etc. He is the heir, damnit. Why should Harry get anything better than him?
This is what happens when we raise people to believe they are better than others, that there is a heirarchy worth upholding; that positions aren’t simply earned, but are bestowed because of divine right.
as always,
#abolishthemonarchy
…Those “affair rumours” literally came straight from the turnip toffs themselves (probably even Rose herself). After everything that’s happened between 2019 and now (including numerous RRs connected to the aristos subtly confirming something happened), I don’t see how you could come to that conclusion.
None of what harry describes in the book references Kate and William showing up together after April 2019 when the affair was made public. The living separately talk did not really start taking hold until a few years ago once the zoom room thing changed. That is also around the time Kate stopped putting on a happy face in public outings and the pigeon flinch happened.
Harry talked about the marriage of K and W mostly in its earlier years. I’m still reading the book, he did not mention the major breakup of 2007.
The impression I got was that W&K are solid in the image they present to the outside world. Like I think for William its very much a case of “I can treat my wife like crap and cheat on her and ignore her and live completely separate lives but how DARE you imply she had baby brain?!!?!?!?”
Wasn’t there a rumor that Harry watched suits and had a crush on her from there? There always seems to be a grain of truth in the lies out there and it makes me wonder if William was the one that had a crush on her.
It’s hard not to see William’s antipathy towards Meghan as being rooted in a crush. Much like Piers Morgan. Consumed with jealous rage because she clearly had zero interest in him. It makes me wonder if he tried to make a move on her? And if he did, does Harry know or is that a secret Meghan will take to her grave?
I wouldn’t have put it past William to go all “droit du seigneur” on Harry, either. It’s in keeping with the rest of his behaviour.
Oh, 100%. Willy does not respect and like Meghan, but it is logical to assume he feels entitled to her heart eyes and homeopathic remedies and green juices.
Anyone who gets that drunk the night before his wedding is on a dreaded experience rather than marrying the love of his life. William clearly wishes he could be with an actress rather than what he has. The photos of their wedding show he isnt like Harry was at his.
I think how Meg dressed showed that to her,as she said, she did not think the formality extended to home life, behind the scenes. It showed that Will and Kate were determined to put her in a place of been constantly uncomfortable ànd believe herself to be less than them
It was just oregano oil and turmeric, ffs; neither of those are shady obscure products. Even if one thought them them be ineffective, they wouldn’t have caused harm, so Kate’s comment was really unnecessary. Its not like Meghan offered her husband Tide pod and tree bark juice to recover from cold.
eaxctly. Every woman is competition, especially a woman he may have lusted over while they watched TV. I’ll bet a thousand dollars that the first few times she looked at Meghan, she was imagining Meghan in a steamy Suits scene, and remembering her husbands reaction to it. Kate is definitely not the type to laugh that off.
@lanne: harry also revealed ins Spare that when meghan first met william, he was quite dressed up. They were leaving for a shooting weekend soon after so harry thought it was weird.
Tells me that william was trying to impress meghan. And kate just so happened to be out with the kids.
Imma go one further… I think they would sex it up after watching the show. Have their own little Suits party. And then, voila, Harry shows up with their real live fantasy girl. They can’t deny her beauty. Her charisma. Her intelligence. So they attempt to put her in her place and deem her the problematic bully bitch.
Say….were any of W+K’s children conceived during the Suits run? Hmmm. Hey, if the British press can make up stories….
I think it’s more Kate had a thing for Harry tbh. Look how she looks at him in old pictures. Way more enamored than how she ever looked at will
She wanted both of them to be fawning over her. She always gave any other woman who even TALKED to William dagger eyes. That’s not new behavior from her.
I’ve always felt that she had that weird vibe with Harry because William gave her nothing to work with in public.
Kate is the epitome of the “pick me” girl, as the kids say
@Isa – that was just rumour, the first time he laid eyes on her was on her Instagram. She’d posted a silly picture with the Snapchat app of her with a dog face and ears. When Harry saw it on a friend’s insta he asked who she was because he was so taken with it. She said she’d arrange a blind date because Meghan was frequently in London.
Jaded- oh, I know! The Snapchat dog eared photo. I’m just saying that the rumor was Harry watched suits and had a crush and I think it was actually William. Kind of like Meghan made Kate cry when it was really the other way around.
I’m so curious to know what being “dressed to the nines” means for Kate in this type of setting
I can imagine Kate thinking she was going to show Meghan up to make it clear who is superior, only to realize Meghan couldn’t give a fuck.
Amen. Cocktail dress and jewels is my guest. The point is to make Meghan feel intimidated. And then she’s in ripped jeans, she’s not intimidated at all. That’s the beginning of their resentment of her. They don’t have personalities of their own, really. They are both excessively ordinary people who buy into the royal magic to give them personalities they don’t have. Meghan’s “crime” was not giving a shit.
Kate’s brain must have short-circuited the moment she realized that Meghan thought of her as just another regular person, not a VIP deserving of some special treatment
There was a pap picture a few years ago (clearly printed with their approval) – it was before Pippa’s wedding, so wow, I guess 6 years ago now. Anyway it was Kate leaving….Pippa’s house, I think? in London…..after a family dinner to “discuss the wedding” or something and Kate was wearing one of those dresses she wore all the time at that point, the midi-length ones with long sleeves, it was red – and she wore it with her white supergas.
But I don’t know if I consider a dress and sneakers to be “dressed to the nines” so she was probably even more dressed up for H&Ms.
@Becks I remember that photo. It was Kate in a long red maxi dress, her hair done but down, arriving at Pippa’s townhome for Ma Middleton’s birthday party. William was a no-show, and the paps let it be known that Kate arrived alone. They also papped Mike and CarolE next day leaving through the front door, their hands full of luxury store shopping bags–Ma’s birthday gifts it was said. I remember there was some kerfuffle because the dress Kate had on was bought for and worn on one of the royal tours.
A brand new bespoke 10k coat dress.
I just imagine this to mean buttons and pussy bows for days.
Those are hardly homeopathic remedies. Perhaps to Westerners. But to the rest of the world and through scientific research, turmeric is a proven anti-inflammatory. Gosh, England stole everyone’s spices and still doesn’t know how to use them.
Literally, some western medicines contain curcumin (the ‘active’ ingredient in turmeric)
“Gosh, England stole everyone’s spices and still doesn’t know how to use them.” 😂
I have read that Charles is a devoted practitioner of homeopathy. To the point of rejecting medical science at times for serious diseases like cancer.
Yeah what would Kate say if it was Chuck that was offering the meds up
That is exactly what I came here to say! I take Turmeric daily for inflammation, and while Oregano Oil isn’t my go-to herbal remedy for feeling under the weather, studies have proven it to have powerful antibacterial properties. I work in the Natural Foods and Supplement Industry in the US, and both of these products are very popular with your typical Natural Foods/Wellness shoppers here- but you are correct that the general population of Westerners likely doesn’t know how well-studied some of these herbs are.
I don’t see how a random does of an anti-inflammatory and anti-bacterial would have any impact on a cold caused by a virus.
Not being snarky, but there’s so much misinformation here
Oregano oil not homeopathic [I know that came quoted from the book, but still wrong] and is both anti-bacterial & anti-viral. There is plenty of scientific research available.
Good health to all
@Tacky – Oregano oil contains high concentrations of carvacrol and thymol, both of which have powerful antiviral, antibacterial, and antifungal properties. Perhaps Meghan was thinking that he’d be interested in continuing to take it to ease his cold symptoms. And it’s “dose”, not “does”. I take curcumin on a daily basis to help with osteoarthritis symptoms and have oil of oregano on hand should I feel I’m starting a cold.
My closest, dearest people view turmeric as being quite radical! You say there’s turmeric in the bread?! I love Meghan for being such a dork, running to grab cold remedies for the grown man with every resource
I’m also relieved that Meghan’s not literally into homeopathy (by which I mean the pseudo-scientific idea of like fights like, so you should dilute it to oblivion). Not just tumeric, but oil of oregano is antimicrobial among other properties https://www.webmd.com/diet/oregano-oil-good-for-you
Yes exactly. I was worried she was in to those damn sugar pills and I was about to say “for once I agree with Kate”. I’m glad it’s just good old fashioned natural remedies, which is fine
Yes, pharmacist here. Just good old herbal medicines.
As a pharmacist, I believe in science and will take only medicines that have well documented efficacy. My SIL is very “everything vegan, bioc, eco, alternative, herbal medicine”. Have I ever commented? No, because it’s not my damn business and as long as she’s not trying to cure serious health problems with oregano oil I’m keeping my approach to myself.
Btw, placebo effect is a know thing and we also tend to get better when we believe in the treatment. So to each their own. Kate really has no manners.
I’m a doctor, and I agree with you.
But I think we can agree that 99.9% of all cold remedies are complete garbage. I would never recommend any OTCs to my patients (other than a sniff of Afrin) because in general, your multisymptom remedy contains an antihistamine (useless), decongestant (side effects>benefit) antipyretic (most colds do not produce fever) and alcohol.
Turmeric and oregano oil seem pretty tame to me. Both H&M seem really into that culture, homeopathy is big in the UK (as it is in Canada). I sure hope they are vaccinating their kids, though.
Insert massive eyeroll. There is a BIG jump from Tumeric and oregano oil to some being anti-vaxx
@Ameerah M no need to be nasty about it. I know enough people immersed in that culture to know that vaccine acceptance is low, i.e 30-40%. it’s a huge issue, and I was only expressing my hope that they aren’t part of that.
@susan: Considering their work with Global Citizen’s drive to distribute vaccines during the pandemic, I’m pretty sure their stance is clear.
Agree with you, Anna!
Where is the like button when you need it?
@susan, Price Harry and Duchess Meghan supports covid-19 vaccines. I will guess they believe in vaccinations for their kids if they campaigned for access to covid- 19 vaccine for all.
It’s not a big jump from using oils to being anti vax. Meghan and Harry have made it VERY clear they are pro vax, so the comment about hoping they aren’t anti vax is unwarranted, but let’s not pretend that the majority of self proclaimed “crunchy mamas” aren’t anti vax.
My own story pertaining to this was when I actually developed a migraine at my friend’s house. I didn’t want to be rude so I didn’t tell her that her Thieves infuser triggered it, but when she told me she didn’t keep pain meds in the house and offered me colloidal silver instead, you can bet my ass went home and took some damn Excedrin. And she also sold Norwex and didn’t vaccinate her kids. She’s not the only one like that by a long shot. If you live in the suburbs, it’s RAMPANT.
That said, herbs and vitamins can certainly help with recovery! I have hypothyroidism and before I was diagnosed, I had some mild struggles but I do believe it was at least kept at maintenance due to the fact that I was taking an arsenal of vitamins that (unbeknownst to me at the time) are helpful in soothing hypo symptoms. Now that I’m pairing it with levothyroxine every day I’m seeing huge improvements in my overall health. We can acknowledge that there is value in both.
They literally worked with the United Nations for vaccine equality during the height of Covid. My eyeroll stands.
Agree. Oil of Oregano and Turmeric (curcumin) are herbal medicines, not homeopathics. Fact checker alert!
Sass, could you pls share your vitamin / mineral cocktail? I’m post-thyroid cancer (2x) and after my last round of RAI I’ve been bouncing between extremely hyper and hypo. Thank for any info you can provide. Hyper for long periods of time is the worst!
People confuse homeopathy with holistic medicine. Some herbal remedies are effective and some are carcinogenic. The reason we know that is the scientific method. We know that acupuncture and massage can be effective for the same reason. Holistic medicine is a good thing. Homeopathy is 18th century German medical quackery based on magic water and sugar pills.
I lose so much respect for a person when I learn that they believe in homeopathy. If you can’t see that the underlying mechanism is nonsense then you’re dangerously open-minded. We know the total number of water molecules present in a liter of water and we can do the math on the dilution to know that none of the named substance remains. The claim is that the water remembers what it was in contact with. Imagine if that were true. What that would mean. Think about wastewater treatment.
The placebo effect works for some problems but it can be dangerous and irresponsible to rely on it in place of more effective treatments and diagnostics.
@Rnot – You win ALL the science prizes today! “The claim is that the water remembers what it was in contact with. Imagine if that were true. What that would mean. Think about wastewater treatment.”
@thats notok: now you have just explained British cuisine. They stole the spices but had no idea of how to use them!
Yes, and some drops of oregano oil under the tongue will zap just about anything, including strep and sinus infections. Turmeric is just as wonderful. Amazing for digestive issues.
Yes, they are herbal/plant remedies (evidence based) rather than homeopathic ( which have zero evidence supporting them)
Yeah they’re not woo woo. But I can see K&W thinking they’re woo woo.
Harry calling them homeopathic is his own mistake too.
I think they grew up really bland and white bread. Everything I’ve ever heard about the food served by the Queen screams BLAND!!!
As for Kate’s comment? I dunno. I think they’re horrid snobs but I think it’s hard to judge how this went down. She might have said it in a light, joking/teasing way about how he won’t try anything – like married couples often do about each others’ habits. Or it could have been dismissive and rude. From the way the tale is told, I’m actually guessing the former; but nothing would surprise me.
Hard to say if KKKHate was brought up with any lessons on manners and basics on how to be freaking POLITE, but Spare really outs her as a rude, petty, arrogant b!tch. Did she turn into a C U Next Tuesday once she finally landed the FFK?! God, I loathe these people.
The media has covered for her for years, but Kate and Carole have been known to be so difficult with a dressmaker that she ditched them as customers. And they have been seen being rude in restaurants to wait staff as well. The staff originally assigned to work at Anmer also quit and returned to Sandringham because Carole was very difficult with them and expected to be served as much as the Cambridges.
So none of this is new. And it comes from her own “normal” family.
she really does come off as a snob. Putting on airs “I’m owed an apology”, “We’re not close enough for you to comment on my (royal) hormones”.
I guess she started believing her own hype. Dreadful.
Oregano Oil and Turmeric aren’t homeopathic medicine. I hate when people lump herbs that have been studied and shown to have actual benefits with the quackery and sugar pills of homeopathy.
In Harry’s defence, perhaps in Meghan’s version they were highly diluted and thus count as homoeopathic?
I think he was an honest mistake on his part. Neither of these items is commonly used in homeopathic remedies. At the same time, both are common herbal remedies- And yes, they’d still be somewhat diluted- but the dilution in herbal remedies is done to suspend the plant matter in the tincture or capsule- if you tested it, the plant/herb and it’s, and its active compounds would still show up in test results. With homeopathy, the items used are so dilute that they are no longer present on a molecular level- which is often necessary since some of their primary ingredients are toxic.
Homeopathic remedies can be very effective. The National Cancer Institute’s official definition is “An alternative approach to medicine based on the belief that natural substances, prepared in a special way and used most often in very small amounts, restore health”.
natural/herbal medicines like tumeric/curcumin have decent evidence supporting their medicinal use (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5664031/) but there is no evidence that homeopathy works beyond a placebo effect (https://www.nccih.nih.gov/health/homeopathy) not least because homeopaths dilute active ingredients to basically nothing using a 1:1000000 ratio
the fact that governmental institutions acknowledge and make space for people to use homeopathy or any alternative medicines alongside evidence-based medicine reflects respect for patient preferences but should not be taken for an endorsement or evidence of efficacy
and like other people have said in this thread – I’m pretty sure harry is misusing the term homeopathy here to mean natural/herbal medicines broadly – they’re not the same thing
Interesting. Personally I wouldn’t know, I’m most likely to go for the aspirin etc, lol.
Different people have completely different reaction to homeophatic remedies. I, for one, react well to even miniscule dose of it, in case of sinusitis, cough, headache, appetite supresser, likewise – not for serious deseases of course. My son and husband – no reaction at all.
That quote from the National Cancer Institute is literally just a definition of the term – it’s not an endorsement.
Never said it was an endorsement. I felt it was notable though because the language is specifically neutral, and I am not under the impression there are any neutral-language inclusions of pseudo-medical treatments like ivermectin for COVID on most websites pertaining to public health which implies a tolerance of homeopathy if not support. I can be corrected of course.
People. This is like the hugging story or even the chapstick story. Even if YOU wouldn’t want the oregano oil and turmeric, would you be so rude about it? Would you recoil if your future SIL hugged you? Would you grimace if that future SIL asked to borrow lip gloss? Grimace so obviously that another person noticed?
It’s not about what Meghan offered. Its about Kate being rude (when William seemed to appreciate the offer.)
@ Becks1 – it’s admittedly slightly frustrating that people cannot grasp this, specifically that these incidents aren’t about lip gloss or oregano oil, they are about how William and Kate had friction in even accepting her and that these need to be juxtaposed with how they are still briefing against them and the other things they’ve done. That from the beginning they wouldn’t accept her and when it seemed like they would, with William being charmed, Kate tried to railroad it.
Respectfully, homeopathic medicines are not effective unless you count by placebo effect.
Read “Trick or Treatment?” An excellent book on alternative medicines, which analyses and explains very articulately
@C – obv kate was in the wrong for reasons entirely unrelated to the merits of homeopathy, but you made an off-topic comment about the merits of homeopathy so people are responding to what you said – i responded because i took on good faith that you didn’t know homeopathy was pseudoscience or maybe had mixed it up with natural medicine generally like harry did 🤷
you don’t see the same “neutral” tone in public health re ivermectin antivaccination because it actually impacts someone other than the patient in question
ElleV- thanks for your concern. I actually don’t really know much about homeopathy vs real medicine because I don’t choose natural remedies anyway. Nevertheless I’m also not an idiot because I do read peer-reviewed studies and thus the presence of a clarified definition on a public health website seemed relevant. Given that plenty of homeopathic “remedies” (quotes for your sake) also impact bacterial infections, which would impact public health much the same way as covid. So, respectfully, I don’t see much of a difference, per your last statement.
These questions don’t have anything to do with the idea of a few drops of oregano oil helping cold symptoms which is exactly what Meghan offered it to him for.
ElleV- I actually don’t really know much about homeopathy vs real medicine because I don’t choose natural remedies anyway. Nevertheless I do read peer-reviewed studies and thus the presence of a clarified definition on a public health website seemed relevant. Given that plenty of homeopathic “remedies” (quotes for your sake) also impact bacterial infections, which would impact public health much the same way as covid, I don’t see much of a difference, per your last statement.
In any case, the oregano oil was probably just to help William’s cold symptoms, which in a small dose it can do.
This is such a pet peeve of mine as well. I think I’m slowly learning (i.e. forcing myself) to just let it go. Somehow, despite having all the information at our fingertips 24 hours a day, a sizeable percentage of the population is never going to learn what the actual definition of homeopathy is. It’s absolute madness, but … I don’t know, it feels like a losing battle to keep having to explain it.
I wonder if William snuck off to a bathroom or something and secretly tried them when Kate wasn’t looking
truly all efforts at a shared reality or even just shared language are dissolving away like so many homeopathic sugar pills lol
I noticed he misuses homeopathy a couple times in the book.
I feel like this was probably the ghostwriter, looking to elevate Harry’s diction wherever he could. Find-and-replace every instance of “natural” with “homeopathic,” type of a thing.
Homeopathy is such bs and it always sets me off when people praise its (non-existent) benefits because German insurance companies cover it. My monthly massage does more for my health than any sugar pill ever could but that’s not covered. *breathes*
Now, like you said, this is not that. Sometimes I wonder if editors don’t check this stuff. Natural remedies aren’t homeopathy.
Yes thank you, homeopathy is not a science.
I hear you. I’m English/French and have lived in the UK most of my life. It always drives me crazy when I go to France and see homeopathy all over the place, even the monthly women’s magazine I subscribe to mentions it alongside other legitimate remedies for things.
Totally agree. It’s absolute rubbish. And dangerous rubbish when it’s sold as a cure to patients desperate for any intervention.
As with everything I’d say live and let live. If that “quakery” doesn’t harm you personally then no need to pass judgment. I’ve experienced more gains from using alternative treatments for my autistic child than what traditional medicine has to offer.
@aevajohnson Homeopathy can be highly effective. Speaking from personal experience, both with myself and my kids. In Canada, homeopathic remedies (as they are called) are prescribed by many doctors, covered by insurance and sold in pharmacies. My children’s pediatrician prescribed them to help with fevers and other common childhood infections, we got great results. Not quackery!
@TeamMeg We’re going to have to agree to disagree on this one. There is zero scientific evidence to show that homeopathy works. There is plenty of anecdotal evidence, but I think that can be chalked up to the power of the placebo effect and the human brain.
I have zero issues with people choosing to take homeopathic remedies if they so choose, it’s your money and your body. They are less expensive than many other natural remedies and have no interactions or side effects, so I can see the appeal. I just believe any relief you receive originates from your belief in the product and not the ingredients themselves.
Homeopathy has a placebo effect, absolutely nothing more. It’s covered by insurance here, like I said above but that’s because those companies have a massive lobby. It’s a scam. Ask your pharmacist how it’s produced. It’s wild.
With Emmi & Aevajohnson. It’s quackery. Said as the daughter of a biochemist.
Nonsense its water just water. Placebo only and harmful as it offers falsely promises when it’s literally just water
Don’t diss homeopathic remedies until you’ve tried them!
I am allergic to a lot of cold medications because I have Samter’s Triad and am allergic to the common pain relievers they contain (specifically, all non-steroidal anti-inflammatories and related substances). So when I get sick I turn to the homeopathic stuff. They sell a good brand at CVS, etc., usually in the cold & flu med aisle. It definitely helps me get better faster.
But of course Kate is close-minded.
I would be interested in what was the actual remedy. Was it really homeopathic, or was it herbal from oregano and turmeric? ngl I would totally diss the first one.
Also, whoever was editing this book did a really poor job.
@Nika, yes! Also the royals reportedly use homeopathic medicine, so that seems like an odd statement all around. Was it essential oils perhaps?
@Nika/@JanetDR — he says clearly in the book that it was oil of oregano and turmeric, neither of which are considered “homeopathic”.
Thanks@ Jaded!
Same here. 😊
I don’t believe in individual powers of crystals, yet I believe in the magic of the intention of the thoughtful person who gifts them to me, telling me what they symbolise. I don’t believe in homeopathy, but I believe in the power of taking care of yourself, and how uplifting it is for someone to take care of you. That was such a thoughtful thing for Meghan to do, and to jump straight into wanting to take care of William. The ‘worst’ thing he or Kate could have said was ‘thank you so much’ and left it at that. You don’t have to believe in it, but you certainly don’t tell someone to their face that they would never do such a thing. If he didn’t want to take it, he could have accepted it and said he would take it later, but even then, I don’t think Meghan would have pressed him for details. He could have ‘taken’ them privately in the bathroom.
How are they so bad at diplomacy? Isn’t that their main job? I’m referring to multiple instances here (‘war is foreign to Europe’ when talking about the war in Ukraine, ‘you don’t have Covid, you just have a cold’ at the beginning of pandemic talking to paramedics, ‘how fascinating’ to a child talking about abuse they undergo in order to feed themselves, ‘what else’ when asked about Harry and Meghan)
Edited to add- as many have said, turmeric is not homeopathy LOL, just to add to the further confusion and lack of understanding they have
Incurious and uneducated (for all they went to top schools, they’ve never left their bubble). M & H have traveled an experienced the world.
Incurious and uneducated- that’s exactly it- and yet, they have every possible privilege at their helm to use as they wish. They could literally go to school for the rest of their life. They could call up nearly any world leader, they could call up community leaders, they could learn so much. Scratch that; they could’ve learned so much. They are 40, and have shown very little interest outside of what elevates them and reinforces their heirarchy. I don’t hold out any hope- if anything, they’ve dug their heels in because I think it’s easier for them to to cozy up to right-wingers, traditionalists, and patriarchal systems than to accept that maybe they aren’t good at their only, and incredibly simple, job
@IForget, honestly! It really does come down to basic manners, which apparently aren’t taught or reinforced at the posh, obscenely expensive schools these people attended (or by their parents, before they were even school-aged!). Kate could think it’s as batsh!t as she wants, but she was a guest in someone’s home and they were trying to do something kind. Even if she knew William would never use it, just SAY THANK YOU and move on.
No kidding. these two seem to have never heard of kindness or politeness except to state that they’re entitled to it.
I can see me husband saying about me in that sitch “nah, she’ll never take anything for a cold, she prefers to suffer through it” in a jokey manner while still appreciating the thoughtfulness of the gesture.
There’s also absolutely nothing wrong with saying, No, thank you. I’m partial to my [whatever remedy]. So kind of you to offer.
Being gracious doesn’t mean always saying yes
YES! I agree strongly, though I may hold off on putting a boundary up my first time meeting someone (depending on context of course). I think that’s another reason they disliked Meghan- she would likely have the grace and poise to say something like ‘thank you for the offer, I am currently taking xyz, but I appreciate your thoughtfulness.’ They would take that as an affront and a rejection.
I don’t think Will or Kate possess the capacity to be gracious in that way, either. Dang, they are really bad at this stuff. Yes also why dressed to the nine’s for dinner at a small cottage to meet the new girlfriend? The whole point, particularly if you’ve been in a relationship with your partner for over a decade, is to make the newbie feel welcome. Dressing and acting like that is not how you make someone feel comfortable, but I love that Meghan wasn’t bothered by it and did not grant Will and Kate the deference they were so clearly begging for.
It can be hard though, to be good at that. I had a chronically inflamed and – by the end – scarred gallbladder thanks to stones. Two years from the first symptoms to having it taken out and during that time, people had THOUGHTS. At some point I just stopped responding, nodded, said “Sure, I’ll try that” and moved on. I was tired and in pain. My boss is big into supplements and all that stuff and while I take vit D and B12, I’m not into this optimizing everything about yourself with pills etc. I told her that – gently – in the beginning but alas, she wouldn’t stop. Don’t get me wrong, she brought me herbal tea and other things, it was sweet. But people pushing stuff on you can be exhausting.
Obviously, W had a cold and she was just being nice. I just meant in general. People are sensitive.
Why does Kate have to refuse for William? The remedy wasn’t for Kate anyway and William didn’t seem to have an issue with the offer as he was, as Harry says, “charmed”.
@Emmi , haha, you reminded me how somewhere mid-pandemic quarantine I turned into my granny. She was a tea pusher. You had to gird for the food that comes with the tea. It was good; my gran made the best curry tofu salad sandwiches in the world, just for me… Anyway, I did most of the food for my bubble and boom! Granny took over my body. TEA! You will eat these foods you don’t want to eat! At least eat fruit! If you don’t eat fruit, eat more cake and a nice egg. OK, I wasn’t quite Gran-bad but one friend was like, Dude, we can’t eat one more thing with an oat in it.
Glad you could take the unwanted stuff in the spirit it was given. Take care of you! The world needs more Emmi
@C probably there will be a _____ response to this because I’m bound to irk someone but I don’t get it when anyone womansplains, the same way I’m not appreciative of mansplaining. Is it an age thing? Is it a proximity intimacy thing? I don’t know but my shoulders inch up toward my ears when people do it to me. I find it manipulative because if I correct then I’m reactive and if I don’t I’m passive. And why does anyone think they can speak for me better than I can speak for myself?
What? Nobody’s womansplaining or mansplaining anything. I’m asking why it was Kate’s responsibility to refuse the remedy on William’s behalf when William didn’t mind it. Because your first comment was how it would have been still polite to say no. But clearly William didn’t feel the need to. So Kate inserting herself is silly.
@C Kate was womansplaining. Kate was speaking for William. I agree with you. And I’m saying I don’t understand women who do that any more than I get it when men do it. Why do people do that when the object of the situation is right there and can speak for themselves?
Oh now I get it, sorry, LOL. I feel like it was Kate being super territorial is all. If it was anyone else but William she’d be like “yeah take whatever remedy you want”.
@Emmi My B12 was low on my last bloodwork, so I have been encouraged by my doctor to take a daily dose, same with D. There is medical evidence that low B12 can lead to a host of chronic illnesses if left unchecked. Everyone should have their B12 checked IMO. I feel world’s more energetic than I did.
Turmeric is the best for inflammation. i swear by it.
I have issues with sciatica and have started taking Turmeric – it took a little while but it has helped with the swelling and pain. It also helped with my edema in my legs.
I have bursitis in my left hip as well as some minor osteoarthritis and I take it daily to reduce inflammation. I really helps and keeps me off NSAID pain killers.
Loved Harry’s shade about kHate being ‘dressed up to the nines’ – sounds like someone was projecting their status and self importance much. Trying to intimidate the poor American actress by showing off her designer clothes and royal jewels.
Yep, Kaiser called Harry a shady b and I am so here for it. Wonder what jewels she was wearing.
I would die to know exactly what she was wearing. Don’t ask me why because I don’t know, lol, but I’m just *so* curious
The thing is, it would have been genuinely funny AF if Kate had shown up in a big tiara. Everyone could’ve had a good laugh and then been “just folks”
Kate is one jealous b!
In all honesty, I resonate with Harry and Meghan because at its core, this is all about family dysfunction- the narcissistic dynamics of it all is somewhat similar to my experiences with my in laws. Kate reminds me so much of my Sister-in-law, who I no longer speak to. I don’t want to divulge the details in here, but some of the events leading up to H&M’s wedding were closely similar to mine- at least Kate showed up even if she wore a “yellow” dress. My sister in law didn’t- and used her kid as an excuse to not show up.
I just find this to be a safe space to express opinions and it’s reassuring to see other people here sharing the same thoughts and feelings. So yeah, I’m team Harry and Meghan!
@Andy Dufresne Tipping suds to you!
Kate is a just a snob.
Kate is like the over-zealous convert who then becomes a gate keeper in the new community into which she has been accepted.
Instead of ensuring that new recruits not suffer her fate, she ups the ante and engages on hazing to reassure herself that anyway ‘she put up with it’.
Kate is either (1) giving us a very good idea of how the other Royals treated her (2) purely mirroring William she is incapable of independent thought or (3) is just a c*nt.
agreed – it feels like petty hazing, that, if it was only that, maybe could have been okay (albeit really annoying), but just became so much worse
That’s right, Flower — it’s that “lean in,” “I got mine,” “I was abused so it’s only fair that everyone else is abused” attitude that is almost always underpinned by internalized self-loathing and classist insecurity.
William and kate should send harry a thank you note for putting those affair rumours to rest. Their marriage very much seems like a united one. United in bullying that is
lol what are you a plant? That’s the second time it’s been said they should be grateful for “the affair rumor” being put to rest.
Nonsense bullying coworkers doesn’t mean they can stand each other
But essential oils and turmeric aren’t homeopathic. They are all alt-medicine, but different branches. It’s funny because homeopathy is complete bullshit ( beyond placebo effects) but the royal family has always been said to use it. Turmeric is indeed beneficial to health, but hyped to the point of BS. Essential oils may in individual cases be useful, i.e., lavender and sleep, but are mostly placebo. Not to knock placebos if they work for you, but the industry as a whole is a racket.
Just sort of funny that Harry is putting Meghan’s home remedies into the worst possible category.
Also, I do kinda side eye Meg for the ripped jeans and bare feet. You’re not in California. Dress to make your guests comfortable and make a good impression. She was really naive. Deserved none of what she got, but some of the behind the scenes is astonishing me.
My bet is that PH was also in jeans and barefoot and she followed his lead. He was probably not expecting Kate to dress up to come to Nott Cott. He doesn’t mention Will’s outfit so perhaps he was dressed casually as well. PH advised her on how to style for Charles so why wouldn’t he if he expected Kate to be dressy have told her? I bet Kate pulled a move.
OK, I’m laughing here. I was just thinking about it and if I had worn ripped jeans and bare feet to meet my future husband’s Italian family, even a brother and his wife for dinner at my place, it would still be talked about when I was a grandmother. It’s not reading the room.
Harry didn’t say we had bare feet. He said Meg did. I’m not saying what she did was wrong, it wasn’t at all. It’s just another sign that she was naive about what she was getting into. Again, nothing wrong with that, nobody deserves to be treated badly, and the whole thing would have undoubtedly been the same had she worn shoes and ordinary jeans. It just is an insight into the situation. Honestly, her being unaware is probably a huge part of why the relationship happened at all. Harry saw things through her expecting to be treated well eyes, and protected her rather than going along with his family’s bullying.
She was in HER home. I don’t wear shoes in my house. So regardless if you come to my house I will not have shoes on. And I will expect YOU to take yours off.
You read the room for your situation. How do you know Meghan didn’t feel like she had for hers? You weren’t even THERE, lol.
In some cultures barefoot inside someone’s home is the norm. And PH doesn’t say he had shoes on either so you are projecting here. If he would go to the trouble to help with her dress for C&C, why wouldn’t he for W&K? He is only comparing the women’s outfits and says nothing about his and Will’s. He and Will dress more casually than Kate even during events and he was getting his casual attire as “seconds” on sale so how likely is it he was all dressed up? And in pictures of the in Montecito, Meghan is the one more often wearing shoes than PH.
It’s been on my mind since i read about it! In my culture/house we don’t wear outdoor shoes in the house, and depending on the type of flooring/weather, we’d wear slippers, and have slippers available for guests. It seems like H&M are just a barefoot household, and perhaps W&K aren’t? It also complicates things as W&K also lived in nott cott, and perhaps did things as they have when they’d lived there-shoes on and all.
Was it cold outside though? Was it a casual dinner in a casual spot? It sounds like their home was extremely low-key.
I live in Houston, where from November through April the temperature can be anywhere from 35 to 80. I always host Thanksgiving for the extended family. If it’s 78 degrees out, and I’ve been on my feet cooking all day, I might very well be barefoot when they arrive. So long as I have a nice pedicure, I don’t see what the big deal is.
You hear it all here, dress to impress your guest🤣 it’s not like KKKate was a future mother in law.
Not too long ago KKKate was showing her Vagina getting out of a taxi and when her skirts blew up, showing her arse cheeks and you’re complaining about rip jeans.
It’s interessting, while Kate always gives the impression of a meangirl bully who ties to pull rank, the description of Meghans interactions with Willnot an Cannot doesn’t make the best impression as well. From the hugging at the fist meeting, to entertaining barefoot and offering herbal remedies, if my sister in law would have done this in the first years we knew each other, bevore we actually became friends, I would have been taken aback as well (I especcially hate the whole alternative medicine scene, after I met the vulures trying to profit from my mothers incurable disease with fals epromises right up to her death, and tumeric was a big part of it).
But at the end, Meghan might be a bit intusive and over the top, but it is no comaprison to the impoliteness and bullying from the Wails.
Tumeric isn’t alternative medicine lol. It’s literally used in pain meds. It’s an anti-inflammatory.
@Ameerah M
Please, I heard enought snekesoil salesmen trying to sell the miracle coure that can save a life and the doctors don’t want you to know about it. And tumeric was right up in front. I don’t belive in a big conspiracy be the school medicine withholding a spice that could save lifes from dying people.
I had enough of the emotional blackmail if I am not willing to pay for quackery it is my fault my mother dies.
I tend to agree. I always dress up a little for guests. I would definitely dress up for future in laws. I would assume because they are royalty that they’d be nicely dressed and so I’d put on something to match them.
I would find it off putting if my future in law wasn’t dressed nicely. I’d decline turmeric and oregano oil for my cold…
I don’t think either party comes off badly. What we have here is a person from a completely different world simply not jiving. My husband is Greek and we spend every summer in Greece, and there are plenty of people there who don’t jive with me simply because I’m American. It doesn’t bother me.
I will always believe that Harry’s family felt threatened by Megan, felt jealous of Megan, wished Harry didn’t marry Megan, didn’t stand up for Megan, had racial bias against Megan, and so on. But I will never be glad that these brothers who have been through so much, can’t seem to get on the same page. I look at this situation and see anger, frustration, miscommunication, pettiness, and competition. I genuinely hope that one day the Wales’ can find in their hearts to muster an apology and welcome Harry and Megan back in some capacity, whether that be as family or working royals, and that everyone can move on.
She “didn’t jive” because nothing she did was going to be right in front of Kate who definitely influenced William’s behavior in this. People who keep looking for excuses for William or Kate in these situations are willfully missing the entire reason Harry wrote about them.
@Lara (the other) — the Mayo Clinic (perhaps you’ve heard of it?) has done research that has proven the anti-inflammatory properties of turmeric so no, it’s not just snake-oil salesmen touting it’s effects. You’re taking this way too far and being disrespectful to Ameerah M in the process.
If Kate really said that, it was totally rude-both to Megan and Will. She should have let Will speak for himself and he could have graciously turned Meg down with something or other about “Thank you so much, but I was warned even natural supplements could interact with the meds I’m on, so I’m going to pass” or “Thank you so much, I am really sensitive to all medicines, even herbal ones, so I’m going to pass, but I’ll let you know if it gets worse and I change my mind.” If Kate absolutely got a “help me here I don’t want this but don’t know what to say” look from Will, she could have graciously said something similar for him to Meg. It’s straight-up rude what she said. If it were anyone else I’d think maybe it was just knee-jerk mistake, but I don’t know with her…she doesn’t seem to have friends, so maybe she is just rude?!? Also: she seems to have been really tough on Meghan-like if you were about to be her SIL and everything with Meg’s family and then dad was going down days before the wedding and your kid the bridesmaid’s dress shows up way off in measurements and your husband is 2nd in line to be the King of England, would you bother Meg or would you line up a tailor yourself to get the job done (maybe one who could handle all the other bridesmaids dresses, if needed) and then at most reach out and let Meg know “hey, I know you must have a lot going on! FYI Charlotte’s dress was big, so I found a tailor who can alter it in time-not sure if the other girls’ dresses also need alterations, but if so, and if it would be more convenient for you, I’d be happy to arrange for my tailor to do it, just let me know!” I mean it’s basic manners and reading the room on timing. And at her level, she has assistants to delegate most of the details and work-she would just need to decide to handle it graciously and be willing to get it done and paid for.
As to Meg’s & Kate’s dinner outfits…The “proper” thing is a fine line to walk when hosting folks for a dinner party, even a first time “casual” one among family. Theoretically, you’re supposed to dress up a little more than the occasion’s attire might warrant, just enough so that if someone comes over-dressed, they’re not uncomfortable, but not so much that if someone comes under-dressed, they’d feel uncomfortable. And ideally, the attire has been telegraphed ahead of time in some way, shape or form, which is where Harry may have been able to help, on both sides. For example, if he knew Meg said “tell them it’s casual”, he should’ve known that “casual” means different things to different people, even within the same culture, and that Kate tends to be more formal and dressy, whereas Meg tends to dress down at home and casual events. He might’ve been able to help manage that, unless he’s clueless about that type thing as a guy. But again, he helped guide Meg re: Charles, so maybe he’s not clueless, but maybe he didn’t think about it this time and it’s how it went down. Pro-tip (which may not have been an option with Meg if she was just visiting from Toronto), if someone walks in way over-dressed, you can say some version of: “Welcome! Let me take your coats. You’ll have to excuse me for a moment, I was so busy I lost track of time, please make yourself at home while my partner gets you a drink and I’ll be right back after I change.” Then come out in a dressier outfit that puts your guests at ease. My friend’s mom did tons of entertaining growing up and I saw her do this many times. I asked her about it once and she told me she always had an alternate outfit or two on deck in case (also in case of spills, etc.), but the night I asked her she laughed because she said she really had lost track of time LOL!!! Regardless, it seems like Meg has a good track record, so I give her the benefit of the doubt here that she is a causal gal who was led to believe/not warned her guests wouldn’t also be in the loop.
No, C, I think Lara’s comment is actually really useful! It didn’t occur to me before, but now I think I get it: Meghan is probably neurodivergent (and undiagnosed, like many snake people), and Kate is not. I certainly am; my MIL is perpetually offended, and I am always at a loss (“what just happened?!”). It’s usually something trivial (to me), too, like I said “Wow!!” instead of “Thank you.” Kate is a “mean girl” in that she feels it is her role to police norms and criticize every blunder; to Meghan it must feel like she finds endless fault in her.
I remember attending Northwestern — my time overlapped with Meghan’s — and it was such a relief to me after growing up in a really provincial, restrictive, phobic part of the US. And I actually really like LA because no one there notices or cares if you have a different way of doing things. I think maybe Meghan was probably never bullied until she went to the UK and experienced the “real world,” where people take you to task over every single “eccentricity.” It IS traumatic, especially when you have no clue what is happening or why it is happening.
Harry gave her input for when she first met his father. If he had felt she needed input to wear something other than what she was wearing at this dinner then he would have given it. The point is, he was casual around his family and expected that to be the norm. The fact that it wasn’t probably had nothing to do with her ripped jeans because nothing she did was right anyway.
The fact that Harry noticed and mentioned that Kate was dressed to the nines tells me it was not what he was expecting from her.
Meghan was in her boyfriend home cooking dinner she doesn’t need to dress fancy this wasn’t not a state dinner . This was a normal everyday dinner that most couples do with their friends or siblings. Kate was the one who was rude she wanted to be center of attention she wanted to try put Meghan in her place and show off . This was a casual dinner Kate was the one who wanted to make herself grande .
I’m not sure why Meghan being in ripped jeans and with no shoes in her own home is weird. She’s meeting her brother and sister in law, not Harry’s parents or grandparents. I grew up in a traditional Asian household in the States. We are expected to be more formal with our partner’s families and even I wouldn’t be decked out to hang out with William and Kate if they were my age. What I would wear to meet my partner’s parents/elders versus what is wear meeting his cousins or siblings of a similar age group as me would be completely different. One would think people of the same generation, this modern generation, would be more …. Modern??? Not as uptight??? Relaxed???? The way I speak to my elders versus the way I speak and joke to people my age are completely different. I think it’s normal and even expected for Meghan to think William and Kate would be less stuffy/ serious and more… youthful.
Kate is rude and she’s a snob. I think she was always that way, and was just better able to hide it from Harry before the wedding. Or he just didn’t pick up on it.
The part about Harry hearing their renovations and assuming he’d be invited over any day now was really sad. He really wanted a close, solid relationship with W&K and he was just rebuffed over and over again.
I hope that resonates with the people who claim that Meghan “destroyed the close brother relationship.” I hope all the Brits who bought and are reading the book are realizing just how much they’ve been sold a bill of goods about Harry and William.
Don’t tell me that Kate wouldn’t have LOVED seeing Harry!! I bet it was William who didn’t want him around.
He also mentioned how he saw the nanny go around with the baby in the pram when George was born but not will or kate.
That was an interesting detail to include. He saw the nanny more than them.
The fact that they never invited Harry over was the part that made me side-eye their marriage. I remember there was an article that the KP staff were excited about Will & Kate’s marriage–imagining a new young couple that would host dinner parties and lead an enviable social life with all the top people. But then, nothing. It didn’t happen. Imagine having that grand expanse of luxuriously decorated rooms, chefs and staff at your convenience, and not entertaining? Not even Harry, or Harry and Cressida? Made me think the Keens were quick to go their separate ways when they had free time–Kate to Bucklebury and Will to some toff house party for the weekend.
That was exactly part of the point of the renovations and 1A I think – if I’m remembering correctly – for entertaining, for having large gatherings/events related to charities, etc. I know they have the pre-BAFTA event there but I don’t think that’s at 1A itself, but in some of the official reception rooms at KP, and I remember W&K one year having some sort of christmas party there for military and their families (Kate wore a red plaid skirt and a black sweater.) But overall, nothing. Charles and Camilla host receptions at Clarence House all the time. The queen obviously hosted extensively at her residences. It’s only W&K who seem to refuse to entertain or host large events at their house (and if they don’t want to use 1A, there are other spaces at KP they can use.)
Becks the bafta party was at the Orangery which is a public event venue and can be used by anyone. It’s where Nikki Hilton held her wedding. William likely had nothing to do with where the party was held. Funny enough he still couldn’t bother to attend.
I think he actually described it as “extensive renovations” which made me laugh. Harry is a shady B. Father Charles doesn’t have enough money to provide decent living accommodations for his second son but there is enough for the Wastrels to renovate their already good enough palace apartments?
In all seriousness, I never want to read another Keen the peacemaker soap opera or Keen threw Harry a B-day party or Keen brought over roast chicken one time (I’m getting all the BS stories mixed up). It’s been made very clear by Harry that he was the one who wanted a close relationship with both his brother and his wife but THEY made no effort at all. Honestly, William had the gall to be shocked that Harry would choose his new wife and child over “loyalty” to his family after how they treated him?
That part made me so sad too. He really wanted to be close with them and they just… shut him out.
So did Di just leave her jewelry jointly to them or did they just keep it all in one spot and not officially divide it up? Or was Will actually so nice as to let PH use diamonds from a piece that was technically his? So was he the one who started the “Meghan can’t wear Di’s stuff” later or did Kate pitch a fit?
yeah I really want to know too
especialle that let’s be honest kate got all the best stuff
There are jewels that Diana wore lent to her by the queen which Kate has access to
Diana would not give William anything more or better than harry got.
I could be wrong, but I think we have seen Kate wear very little of Diana’s personal jewels. Maybe those sapphire drop earrings? Or the pearl drop ones? Maybe a bracelet?
But most of what we see Kate wear that is “Diana’s” was part of the royal collection.
And I also get the sense Kate’s not that interested in Diana’s private stuff as much as her royal collection items.
She never cosplays as Diana after the divorce after all.
“I’d asked my brother if I could have the bracelet, and told him what it was for” Does this mean that the bracelet was owned by W or jointly by the two brothers?
It sounds like big brother was the keeper of the purse. permission needed to be sought.
I remember Charles was at one time very enthusiastic about homeopathy, don’t know if that’s still the case? Yet another reason why Megan had to go *shrugs*
Poor poor Katie keen. She thought she would show up dressed like she was the queen and Meghan the American peasant would be so intimidated by her that she would stay in the kitchen doing the dishes . When I think of the ice queen. I see Kate . She is so damm rude and I don’t know why Meghan is even bothering tho cook for that uncultured stiff. She doesn’t eat and she certainly doesn’t eat well seasoned food. Her tastebuds are as bland and dull as her
Will probably had a crush on Meghan and Kate knew this. Because Meghan was/is the quintessential California beauty and add to that a successful television actress, Kate was completely out of sorts. So she was extra in her outfits, extra in her behavior. All Meghan wanted was to have a relationship with her soon-to-be in laws and they were terrible to her.
100% girl_ninja.
Kate is, as others have mentioned, a terrible snob. And a terrible guest. What kind of person rudely shuts down a host’s kind gesture? The worst kind of person, that’s who.
I don’t blame her for being jealous of Meghan — Meghan is in another stratosphere when it comes to self-confidence, intelligence and warmth. No wonder Waity felt threatened. A better person, though, would have worked on herself.
The thing that struck me was Meghan running upstairs,Nott Cott had an upstairs!? Lol
@Noki it’s not an upstairs upstairs, it’s an open loft with stairs up like you see in tiny houses
My mom’s best friend swears by oil of oregano for colds and I’ve tried it and it works. Just be warned it tastes disgusting!
I encase it in coconut oil so it can’t be tasted or burn the mouth.
Hard coconut oil. Add the drops. Cover with liquid coconut oil. Put in fridge to harden.
Swallow with water.
What is it with the comments about the ripped jeans? Anyone seen the stores in the last years, you have to actively and eagerly search for ones that aren’t ripped
This would have been 2017.
The Palace approved her ripped jeans for when she made her first public outing as his girlfriend at Invictus. So other people questioning them at this dinner is weird to me, lol.
I’ve wondered about this. Did The Palace OK “jeans” or “ripped jeans” specifically?. There’s a difference & I think it’s possible the OK was for “jeans,” not realizing that Meghan didn’t distinguish between ripped vs non-ripped. To me, ripped is overly casual – marginally ok for sitting in bleachers at the games but iffy when first meeting future in-laws at boyfriend’s family-owned home. I think the ripped fad is bigger with the tween-to-20 something crowd than with professional women in their 30s.
My girls wanted ripped when they were 12 but were over that by the time they hit uni.
Harry states they submitted the details of her outfit to Kensington Palace, including the brand and style names of the pieces, and they were approved.
Meghan was anxious to do things right early, and she absolutely would have asked about that.
And this dinner wasn’t their first meeting.
This may come as a shock to you but lots of “professional women” like ripped jeans in their homes, lol.
As I work my way through Spare, the funniest parts are the Meghan and Kate stories. One is preening around, demanding deference and the other is “aww bless her heart.” Kate may be a mean girl and a bully but she was outmatched from day one and it shows.
And let’s be clear: ripped jeans and bare feet is gangsta.
Well said.
I have to admit that I wouldn’t take homeopathic medicines, either. It has come up several times because I very clearly have underlying conditions and people who see me are concerned, which I really appreciate.
I always say that my doctor has me on medicine, and he’s a stickler for checking before I take anything, including supplements. People mean well, and back off. I’ve only had one person, selling MLM junk, not back off.
You can say “No” without being an a-hole, which Kate doesn’t care to understand. You can disagree on minor things and be kind about it.
This is who you’re going to have as future queen, UK. She looks down her nose at you. Enjoy.
Once again, oil of oregano and turmeric (curcumin) are NOT homeopathic remedies. They are proven anti-viral/bacterial/fungal and anti-inflammatory remedies with loads of positive research. I take oregano when I feel a cold coming on, and curcumin daily for bursitis and osteoarthritis in my hip. It works and I don’t have to rely on OTC pain killers which are hard on your liver.
Tylenol is hard on your liver. Nsaids (aspirin, Anacin, Excedrin, paracetamol, etc) are hard on kidneys.
I have CKD (chronic kidney disease) and any Nsaids are absolutely forbidden.
Every story about Kate reminds me of that Tattler(?) article where some anonymous toff described her as very “grand”. She comes off as exhausting.
Meghan is known for being a foodie and a cook. I believe that she did all the cooking. She and Harry were cooking a roast chicken the night he proposed. If you’ve read the book, you would know that Harry often shopped at the Whole Foods on Kensington High Street and that Charles’s chef would leave food for him in the refrigerator to heat up. One of the first times that Meghan was papped in the UK was when she returned from shopping at Whole Foods.
So Katie Keen shows up fully decked out to a homemade dinner… with a very attractive woman… whom her husband seems to like (despite his “concerns”)… then the beautiful woman shows concern for her husband and offers him special medicine… that the husband is politely receptive to and seems “touched” by… and she lets loose a wifely eyeroll and an “oh please, he’s never going to take those.” How you might act in a long, unhappy relationship after a glass of wine too many. Very territorial, very insecure, and just embarrassingly rude.
She just sounds like a miserable B, to Meghan AND William.
Kateee agreed…..Kate is notorious for been clingy and jealous esp when both where dating so lm not surprised she is jealous of a lady like Megan, l honestly think Kate was constantly crying in Willie ear about what Megan did,, poor poor Kate prob traumatised that Megan looked at her ,Will been egotistical and arrogant pointed his fat finger in a ladies face and the rest is history.and the thing is William by all.accounts really liked Megan and both got on really well , genuinely they could of been a great team sans Kate sorry she is not a fit for this role and everyone knows it !
Kate is deeply insecure woman she can’t read the room everyone else was dress normally not Kate. She had to be dress to the nines with jewelry and be so rude to announce William will never used any of the stuff . Kate was jealousy that Meghan got Harry and now she was showing kindness to William that probably set Kate off . For all the royal reporters talked about Kate being so classy has impeccable manners she comes across as rude and disrespectful think of herself as grand because she married to William no wonder she has no friends.
Meghan is a Southern California gal at heart. One of the reasons I love that area is the casual vibe. You can wear ripped jeans and a tee to a five star restaurant no one even blinks. In light of M’s background, she was just wearing what she would normally wear at home.
I’m a CA native & still here. Yes, we can wear anything we want to restaurants because we’re paying guests, as long as we aren’t barefooted. SoCal has 3 or 4 restaurants with 2 Michelin stars but most, plus all the 3 stars, are in the SF Bay area.
Meeting future s-i-l for the first time? I’d spiff up a little more than ripped jeans & wear some cute flats or mules, even in my b.f.’s place. Unless the guests had been told in advance to dress way down, it was a bit too informal.
I loved the thought Harry put into the engagement ring.
It doesn’t sound homeopathic, it sounds like some other kind of home remedy. At least I hope it’s not homeopathic, because homeopathy is idiotic. Charles is big into homeopathy, so I can see why Harry would get the words wrong.
I’d be handing Willy chicken soup. Not only were all the grandmas and great grandmas and going back however long grandmas firm about that helping, but they’ve been proven correct by recent studies. Turmeric might also be helpful — but not in homeopathic doses, because homeopathy does NOTHING. Put some in the chicken soup or make some tea from it.
It’s definitely not homeopathic, both are herbal remedies, not “some other kind of home remedy”. Both of these are sold in every drug store in the planet and have had positive results from research — I take curcumin regularly to reduce inflammation in my hip from bursitis and osteoarthritis and it works. I don’t have to rely on OTC pain relievers which can be hard on your liver.
Jaded: Thanks for info re curcumin helpful for bursitis (also losing holiday goodies weight might help). Homeopathy has been propped up in England by BRF, esp Chuck (spider memos). Unfortunate that British taxpayers supported NHS homeopathy hospitals and treatments until recently. Too bad Harry misused ‘homeopathy.’
Don’t know much about homeopathy so don’t see the big deal here. I didn’t think too much of this passage, other than Harry being a bit snarky and comparing/contrast. Based on how he blanked her at the funeral, Harry is extremely disappointed in his SIL, and she comes across as prissy, inflexible and humorless in the book.
L4Frimaire, I don’t think it’s what Harry says. It’s what he doesn’t say. I think there was a lot taken out before this book was published. I think he’s showing a pattern and we’re supposed to supply the rest.
What about just saying thanks for caring about my husband wellbeing but we personally not use these model of treatment. This situation was a good moment to talk and get to know each other better. I’ve friends that into these treatments, I listen to them and I’ve tried some of their recommendations.
@Petra Harry clearly states in the book that healthy levels of communication are not something that was done in his family. It took Meghan saying, you are not speaking to me this way. Did you view this in your family? If so, seek therapy or we will have to break up. End of.
Something to consider: Rumor has it Justin Trudeau and his wife Sophie initially tried to befriend Will and Kate and were rebuffed. Interesting Sophie is friends with Meghan now (as per her podcast). Given what we know about all of their personalities and from now Harry’s book, I am not surprised in the least. Sophie seems more the ripped jeans than dressed to the nines for a homemade dinner type. Kate made googly eyes at Trudeau and can’t handle competition in the least.
Did anyone die when they read the part regarding Kate loving clothes in the book? I just really don’t see her as a style icon in the least. You think if she loved clothes sooo much, she would branch out and not by copying other women.
Its when she’s first introduced in the book, around the time of the Nazi costume. Harry references his brother’s new girlfriend, Kate, who he said was very warm and sweet and outgoing and loved clothes.
You can love clothes yet have no sense of style. I don’t see a disconnect between Harry’s description and her shopping habits for sure
Kate spends all her time when she’s not working out, having beauty treatments or pleasing William, shopping for clothes for herself. So presumably she does love clothes.
She’s always been described as shy and cold so it’s surprising Harry described her as outgoing and warm. People were often quoted as calling her “sweet” though, during the waiting years. Beautiful and sweet were the only complimentary things people had to say about her, along with all the negative.
I was recommended to take Taurine by a friend and being a bit of a sceptic about such things, I resisted for a while. I eventually decided to try it and I’m positive I’ve benefited for 3 years.
My skin and hair are much improved and I don’t seem to suffer from coughs and colds as I used to. Even COVID was nothing.
I’m scared to stop now.
@Tacky- you don’t “see” how turmeric or oregano oil could help a cold? Are you an expert on herbal remedies? Have you ever used turmeric or oregano oil when YOU’VE had a cold? Or know anyone who has? I’m guessing you haven’t.
Don’t let your status as Resident Kate Defender compel you to make negative comments on things you clearly know nothing about, even if it’s only a not so subtle attempt to justify Kate’s atrocious manners.
Thank you Annalise, Tacky seems to be on Kate patrol today.
Nobody can take away my oregano oil lol!
Maybe its just me trying not to see things so negatively that maybe the comment was “wow, he is trying something he never would” as if it was a small way of being complementary. Everyone here seems to want evil one and saint the other. I just remember Meghan saying on Oprah that Kate was a good person. Since I’ve never met either, I will take the Duchess of Sussex’s word for it.
Quite aside from disagreeing with the rest, a LOT has gone on since she said that.
Serena Williams also said sometimes Meghan is too nice. Meghan is likely never going to say a negative word about Kate imo, regardless of the mean girl ways in which she might have behaved. At most, she and Harry will describe her actions, things she has said and done, and let others decide for themselves. So if you don’t think her overall actions paint her as an uber mean girl, there’s a chance that others will see it differently.
I haven’t read the book yet (still waiting for my pre-order!), but I’m not getting the hate in this particular excerpt either? It comes across to me as Kate making fun of William, like “Lol I get it but there’s no way HE is going to try something like that.” And so what if she dressed up? People have different ideas about what is considered casual (did she even know it was so casual?). I think way too hard and get really stressed out about whatever social dress code is expected any time I get invited anywhere. There are plenty of reasons to complain about with Kate and most readers here are here only to do that, but I’m not really picking up on it in these few paragraphs.
That was my take as well. And my husband being a doctor wouldn’t take it and I would probably comment (making fun on him) “no way he’s going to take that”
These early introductions to Meghan sound so clumsy and awkward but I refuse to believe that Will and Kate are just evil and racist. I guess I love Diana too much to think of her oldest son in this light.
I see so many hurt feelings. so much competition, so much miscommunication, clash of cultures, clash of upbringing, racial ignorance and bias. I love my brothers so much so it hurts my heart that these brothers can’t just stop all of this and love one another. And I have two sister in laws that are very different than me and I’ve had to navigate around some tough things (not nearly as tough as these)
Cant we all just get along?!?! :*(
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I think you guys are missing why Harry is doing this.
It’s because they are still trying to abuse him as if he never left.
If he had left in 2020 and they had agreed to let things lie and leave each other alone, we wouldn’t be getting the Oprah interview or his side of this crap.
Trying to paint small episodes as benign completely ignores the entire context Harry is trying to create with what he is doing in telling his story. The fact that William and Kate reacted this way at first needs to be set next to their subsequent actions – helping to bully Meghan to the point of suicidal ideation and STILL leaking stories about her and Harry. His point is, the cracks in their veneer started early.
Hello kitty i don’t see will as Diana’s son. He turned into his father. He even labeled his deceased mother paranoid.
SnappyFish, FancyPants, Hello Kitty, if, indeed, this was meant as humor, wouldn’t Wails have said it with a bit of a laugh? If she had, Harry would have noted it. The fact that he felt it important to include this in the book speaks for itself. Wails was rude. I don’t know why this is such a leap for you. Watch her when she’s in public with Meghan. Very mean girl, that one (Wails).
Meghan said that before Kate got visibly confrontational with her on that walkabout
I interpret her comment as teasing William for being a traditionalist or fuddy duddy, not a diss on the treatment. And the fact that Kate dressed up while Meghan was casual does not indicate that either woman “stared down” the other. Lastly, I’m sure Meghan did not HAVE to cook. They invited William & Kate over for dinner. Harry could have cooked, they could have both cooked, or H & M could have ordered takeout for everyone. Both couples are wealthy and can choose to cook or never cook.
Nikki, everyone is working really hard to make this a joke of some sort. Why didn’t ANYONE laugh? Including Wails?
I didn’t think a joke, just a jab at William. But who knows?
Kate doesn’t seem to have any manners in her personal encounters.
All the homeopathic vs herbal chatter makes me chuckle. My grandmother used to smear my chest with her Mississippi farm girl remedy for for bronchitis when I was a child (long ago.) It was turpentine & bacon grease – it smelled horrible & burned my skin. I tried very hard not to cough if I got a cold when staying with her.
I’m kind of surprised that this story was left in. Yes, Kate looks rude, but Meghan also just comes off looking dumb. Oregano oil is not going to do a thing for your cold. Offer him a pseudoephedrine pill, if anything. Same with the lip gloss story–Kate was rude but it WAS kind of a yuck request. Overall my impression is still that M&H have been treated very poorly and there’s absolutely racism in the BRF and the press, but I also increasingly suspect that I wouldn’t particularly love having them as in-laws myself and that’s the angle the press is going to go with. Shouldn’t an editor or someone have helped tighten this up a bit?
Meghan has always been into natural remedies and used sparingly, oregano oil can help relieve cold symptoms and William didn’t seem to have a problem with it. It’s not a cure and not meant to be.
Kate’s favorite lip gloss is a Clarins one you can squeeze onto your finger without it contacting skin at all and I have no doubt that’s what Meghan did.
And if these are your dealbreakers with in-laws then sheesh, lol. Anyway, just because a story you don’t really care for narratively was left in doesn’t mean it needs to be “tightened up”.
I don’t think they’re dealbreakers, but they would make me roll my eyes a bit. As for “tightening”, this book has a TON of these little examples. In most of them, W&K (or C&C, or whoever) come off looking stupid/petty/ridiculous and Meghan comes off very well. So yeah, I don’t really see the point of leaving in these bits where there is “an inch” to pick on about Meghan’s behavior b/c the haters are going to run with it and turn it into a mile. Leaving out a few of these stories would have made the book even more impactful, IMO (though it’s certainly making plenty of impact as is).
And, if left out, the “palace” would be sure to leak them with an even more negative spin than they might get already. Taking an herbal medicine shouldn’t have been a big shock to Will since Charles has spoken up for all kinds of herbal cures.
Cate, well, I guess Harry could publish the other 400 pages that he took out before publishing this. It would include all of the other incidences that he knew would anger his father and brother and they’d never forgive him. It would probably put things in better perspective. Think about that for a minute.
I’m sure that you’re much more capable of writing a book than a ghost writer for autobiographies, which were #1 bestsellers in the past. No, I don’t think it needs to be “tightened” up.
but Meghan also just comes off looking dumb.
Nah. Meghan comes off as looking thoughtful in trying to help Billy. It’s an antidote to convey what they dealt with. Maybe you should tighten things up.
This assessment sounds kind of dumb
I would not want bill and Kate as my on laws. That’s for sure.
Harry was supposed to have half that jewelry. We know Meghan has won some publicly. The butterfly earrings, aquamarine cocktail ring, Diana’s Cartier watch etc.
Prince William is such a mess!!
Kate responded aggressively because she was never ok with another woman interacting with William. She did this from the dating years and so Meghan offering help to William raised her primordial instincts to shut that down. Of course it was rude but it isn’t the first time Kate has acted this way.
“Kate announced to the table that he’d never take such unconventional remedies.”.
Yes, this was incredibly rude and it reminds me of the stories about Meghan and Kate encountering each other at KP, before the Sussexes wedding, and Meghan was carrying a plate of, I think, lavender cookies as a thank you gift for the Queen.
Kate allegedly told her that she has the same tastes as the Queen and knew that she would not like cookies like those! I wonder if Meghan ever delivered the cookies??!! It is as if Kate was just looking for any reason to diss Meghan to her face.
This book excerpt also has me wondering what the heck is going on with the disbursement of Diana’s jewels!? Per Diana’s will the jewels were to have been distributed between the two boys as the executors saw fit. It sounds as though, however, a formal division of the jewels has not been made yet and they are still held collectively together. Otherwise, why would Harry need to ask Will if he could have the bracelet? I don’t think Harry would ask if Will already owned the bracelet. Rather, Harry would use one of his pieces.
I think that Diana’s jewels have not been formally divided and Kate is taking advantage of that by wearing most of the “better” pieces of jewelry. They just need to divide the jewelry equitably once and for all and be done with it.
Oh, and don’t get me started on the 1/3 of Diana’s chattels that her godchildren were supposed to receive!
It doesn’t sound like Diana’s jewels were divided pre-Harry’s wedding, but I wonder if they have by now. In happier times, I can see them waiting until they both had wives as the women would have their own feelings about the pieces. There is a lot of stuff waiting to come out. I’m waiting for Diana’s emerald bracelet that Charles gave her. I think it’s very modern and wearable. Was also surprised that there is a diamond bracelet from Dodi.
I did think it was interesting that Harry laid to rest the reports that he originally had Diana’s ring. Also that Harry kept some of her pieces in a box. I assume one was the gold Cartier watch Meghan now wears.
As someone who is deeply sensitive and effected by one’s tone, it was all how Kate delivered the said line stated in the book. I read it and thought, oh boy, if it was said the way I envision it was, that is snarky indeed. I also took the dressed to the nines comment as to mean she was terribly insecure and felt she had to outshine the actress. I do not do well with those who use that type of tone with me nor people who appear desperate for validation and to be the “best”. I daresay, I think I would get along quite well with H & M. They seemed like the no fuss down to earth type of people that I love. I also love how they are always barefoot. I am barefoot typically in my own home even in the dead of winter!
People are allowed to scoff at woo woo BS homeopathy. Even people you don’t like.
Here’s the thing. Those—I.e. William and Kate—who have been preparing for 20 years to be King and Queen of the UK and the Commonwealth should be able to exercise basic good manners AND diplomacy with everyone they meet.
“though Kate announced to the table that he’d never take such unconventional remedies”
Get off the cross, Kate. England needs the wood.
I seriously need these people to recognize they need help, and I mean William and Catherine, if this is the only way they will recognize themselves, as fully functioning humans. In every sense of the word, they need actual grown-ups around them, with Ph.D. after their last name.
“Unconventional remedies”??? Surely you could have snatched Willnot to your bosom and forced some whisky down his throat, as is the tradition, everywhere spirits have been produced, for centuries. Meghan was DEFINITELY trying to poison the heir, with oregano oil. God help the planet if she had offered to steep ginger root in hot water. Willnot and Kitty would have begged anyone for a nuclear code.
Why am I even trying to parse these idiot’s intentions. Kick them to the curb on a cold night, and they will shuffle off the mortal coil, because they are too stupid to recognize simple kindness.
That is pretty rude of Kate for sure. She doesn’t have to like homeopathy but there’s always the option of keeping your mouth shut.
But holding a grudge for years and putting it in a book? That’s nuts.
Kate thinks she is an expert on everything. That is a major problem with her.
I think putting out your side of a situation openly in a book shows a lot more class than briefing the press with false, incendiary stories.
I can’t believe I’m saying this, but I honestly didn’t take this as a diss of any type at all. I’d imagine it’s a similar sort of comment that I’d make abt some people I know, when it comes to them taking painkillers for headaches. “Oh, they’d never take those,” in a gentle, teasing sort of way where you’re roasting a loved one.
With that being said, I can see why people are reading it as a diss. If there’s one thing I took away from the book, it’s that Kate really doesn’t have much of her sense of humour left anymore. Another thing that’s notable here–Baldy is “charmed”, while Kate is the downer. Isn’t that just very interesting.
I say that bc, speaking as someone who wrestles with jealousy and such, that’s the sort of comment I’d also make if I felt like someone were encroaching on what I felt were “my” territory, in a way. It’s a way to discourage someone from even trying to make an effort, bc I don’t want them to succeed at it, if that makes any sense. And again, put together with the rest of the stuff from the book, I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s where it came from with Kate here as well.