Katie Nicholl at Vanity Fair got some kind of briefing from Kensington Palace or Buckingham Palace, I still don’t know which. I can’t figure it out, which side is trashing the Archbishop of Canterbury and which side is briefing that the Archbishop must be used as an intermediary to reach out to Prince Harry. The easy answer is “BP is briefing about Welby-as-intermediary while KP is trashing Welby.” I just think it’s probably a hell of a lot more complicated than that. Some commenters suggested that Camilla might be an agent of chaos in the mix here. Perhaps. Whatever is happening, Nicholl is here to tell everyone that King Charles is still committed to the idea of inviting Harry to the Chubbly, despite William’s misgivings. Some highlights from VF:
Accommodating the Sussexes: King Charles is set on finding a way for Prince Harry to attend his coronation in May, and courtiers are considering how to accommodate the Sussexes in a “low profile” capacity. According to sources close to Charles, he wants his youngest son at the most important occasion of his life even if Prince William is understood to be resistant to the idea. While there has been no contact between Harry and his family since the publication of Spare, his bombshell memoir, the Duke of Sussex has said he wants to pave the way for a reconciliation.
Charles wants to repair the relationship: Charles has also told friends that he hopes to repair relations following some of the devastating revelations published in the tell-all. Harry’s autobiography has been deemed the most damaging with William and Camilla particularly in the firing line. Harry also described Princess Kate as cool and unwelcoming towards Meghan.
William is still rage-shrieking at reconciliation: Sources close to William say there’s no trust left between him and Harry and suggesting a reconciliation between the siblings is unlikely. However, Charles believes that as a family they have to move on and that the royal family must be united on the eve of the coronation.
Paving the way for peace: While official invites to the ceremony at Westminster Abbey, which will take place on Saturday, May 6th, have yet to be sent out, sources close to Charles say he is likely to invite Harry and Meghan “because it is the right thing to do and will hopefully pave the way for peace…. Charles is a forgiving person by nature, and he wants to move on,” says another. “Whatever has been said and done, Harry is still his son and he loves him. He also cannot imagine being crowned, the most important moment of his life, without both his sons witnessing the moment.”
Archie & Lilibet’s titles: There is still the question surrounding Archie (whose fourth birthday falls on the day of the coronation) and Lilibet’s royal titles. Technically, they are now entitled to use “Prince” and “Princess” because Harry is the son of the monarch, but the titles have not officially been bestowed on them. “The matter of titles is still up in the air,” says a source. “The feeling is that the titles need to be earned. The royals need to know that they can trust Harry and Meghan not to keep damaging the reputation of the family.”
The Sussexes cannot upstage the key principals. Now that they are no longer working royals, the Sussexes can expect to be treated the same way as Harry’s cousins Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie, who attend important family occasions but are not in the spotlight and do not appear on the Buckingham Palace balcony. It has already been agreed that only working royals will make a balcony appearance during the coronation and sources have said that the focus will be on King Charles, Queen Camilla, Prince William and Princess Kate.
“The matter of titles is still up in the air. The feeling is that the titles need to be earned.” It’s not that I care about Prince Archie and Princess Lili’s titles, because ultimately, they are American children who will get to choose their own paths in life and they’ll grow up unbound by the generational trauma of the Windsor sh-tshow. But it’s still disgusting to me that Charles is attempting to use his mixed-race grandchildren’s titles as a bargaining chip to manipulate Harry.
It’s also interesting that the invitations haven’t “gone out” yet. Is that why the British media is freaking out this week? They’re trying to convince Charles to not send Harry a physical invitation? LOL. Charles is literally willing to send the Archbishop of Canterbury to Montecito to negotiate terms with Harry and the Mail is worried about a paper invitation. And what happens when Charles does send an invitation and the Sussexes don’t RSVP?
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So what do toddlers do to earn a title? What did Will do to earn the POW title? What did George, Charlotte and Louis do to get the title as babies? What have any of the royals done that merits the money, privilege and titles poured out on them?
Very true. I think in this case “earn” means “capitulate.” It’s not Archie and Lili that have to earn their titles, it’s Harry who has to do it by caving in to Charles.
Basically their parents need to shut up and speak up only to praise BRF. They didn’t even try to make it not obvious.
No the Sussexs just need to take their privacy and be quiet.
Don’t forget Andrew. No one worked harder than him! 😕
I mean the 3 Middleton kids earned it being tottered out for photo ops from the time they were babies every time some truth landed too close to their parents.
So yeah Harry, way to not let your kids earn their titles already by tottering down the aisle of St Paul’s for the bubbly, or sitting through the queen’s funeral (heavy sarcasm of course)
Isnt the whole point of the monarchy specifically and the aristocracy in general that the titles are unearned? I’m sure Charles has done nothing to earn being King, his mother did nothing to earn being Queen, etc. Its based on family and birth order etc. But now, the mixed race children need to “earn” their titles?!?!?
Charles earned his title the hard way. He was first crotch-fruit.
“The feeling is that the titles need to be earned. The royals need to know that they can trust Harry and Meghan not to keep damaging the reputation of the family.”
This complete is BULL$HIT. Titles are hereditary. Hereditary is the WHOLE point of the British titled aristocracy and British monarchy.
Becks THE only Royals actually working to make a living are Harry and Megan. Maybe, just maybe Charlie chinless should have a word with Khate who is an expert (cough) on how important the first five years are and how does he expect Archie and LILLIBET to earn their titles. Does he want them to clean the Palace chimney?? The man is a joke. He has no idea what love is. It’s all me, me, me and I want, want, want, and Billy bully takes after him. Khate in her expertise (another cough) should tell him it’s bad for children under 5 to work, just wait until lilibet is 6 then you can send both her and Archie down the mines to “earn” their titles. Ffs these people are first class muppets, or as we say in cornwall, they are all cockwombles
Exactly, Becks. JFC, these people have less than zero critical thinking skills. None of you earned ANYTHING you have.
This x 1000!
Edward uses the title Earl of Wessex — a kingdom that hasn’t existed for over 1,200 years. So, how does one go about earning the earldom of an imaginary location?
It’s an interesting comment given the point Harry made in “Spare”: that the younger royals’ ability to do anything meaningful is dependent upon funding by the Firm.
But in this context, “earn” clearly means “kiss the royal behind”.
I kinda hope he does remove their titles. It would make the racism undeniable and it would bring up fun questions about Andrew.
Essentially, that’s all it is, right? They said they wanted Harry and Meghan to earn the use of the title’s being “approved” by promising not to tell the truth. If they promise to say nothing or lie, Lily and Archie can have something that is already rightfully theirs to attach to their names IF the Successes wanted. I don’t really understand who they think they are fooling.
Make that make sense.
Seriously, the racism is off the charts – only the biracial grandchildren must work for the titles the other children are bestowed with at birth.
They should ALL have to “earn” their titles and privileges by running for office #abolishthemonarchy.
You’re right @Jay. Sometimes I can’t believe what I am reading about this family and the lengths they will go to to other-ize their own blood. Just horrible.
This, this, this. Of course, Archie and Lilibet have to EARN their titles, because their blood is not pure.
That is the message being conveyed and it’s disgusting.
It’s very interesting to watch all of this and wondering what the titled aristocracy thinks of it. The whole point is that these titles are earned by birth and can’t be taken away. Are they worrying? Are they taking this as proof the Royal Family is as stupid,
middle class, and German as they’ve always suspected? Are they beginning to suspect that if the Windsors go, they do to?
For sure they do. That is at the heart of their closing ranks.
You’re 100% right–or at least, you should be. I’m sure the aristocracy and the remainder of the RF implicitly (or explicitly, knowing them) hope/understand that these new rules only apply to the mixed-race American children. Otherwise, we’re getting into Richard II territory with the king overstepping the rules. Not that any of this matters, but I’ve read enough Shakespeare and history to know that they’re painting themselves into a corner every time they raise issues about titles.
These people man, i am lost for words. They treat their own family like business negotiations, like they’re numbers. Weaponizing kids to get what they want, how low can you go to do that to toddlers. Wow. Absolutely heartless a$$holes
The Early Years don’t count for Archie and Lili apparently.
@C, that was my first thought exactly
@c and @lorelei omg same – I am screaming. But The Early Years! But not for these royal, historical children. Right.
I guess they’re really proving the various households/courts really don’t talk to each other….like at all. So dysfunctional.
Isn’t that the total opposite of what a hereditary monarchy is.. none of them earned one damn thing. Every single one of them has a title for being born. This is the best argument yet to abolish the monarchy straight from the kings mouth to his mouthpieces.. he certainly has done nothing to “earn” his title or coronation!
You’re so right! Charles killing his own monarchy
Is anyone else bothered by the media constantly harping on “the most important day in Charles life”? He had children. He supposedly married rhe love of his life. He always knew he was going to be king. It was a foregone conclusion. If he wasn’t a horrific narcissist, the things having to do with love – birth of children, marriage to so called soul mate – would be more important than a promotion that he always knew was coming.
Sadly, it is.
The titles allow the Sussex children to be given security if they visit the UK (supposedly) but the titles also mean that many would have to curtesy/ bow to them. As opposed to them having to curtesy to almost everyone.
At least that’s what I’ve been reading. They can’t bear the idea of having to do that to mixed race people.
Having a title didn’t prevent Prince Harry’s security being yanked. Don’t know if the security situation in UK has ever been resolved. Haven’t heard anything beyond the last court hearing.
Remember when WanK learned to speak Welsh to earn their POW titles? Right, never happened.
That Wanker has not done a thing to earn his POW title, but here he is. A man that’s 40yo doesn’t have one accomplished patronage under his belt but due to his birth and the birth of his father, they stroll in and take hold on the largest land owners with the greatest wealth of the entire continent. But sure, Archie and Lilibet haven’t “ earned” their titles. Tell us you’re not petty and racist without screaming it out to the world.
And why would the talk summit involve the Archbishop of Canterbury when Chuckles could simply Skype his son and DIL?? Why does he need an intermediary? Too fearful of making the first step I suppose.
That’s Charles problem. If he takes the titles away then all titles (including King) are worthless. They are just something some old guy said. Which is actually all they are. But the monarchy doesn’t want anyone else thinking that.
WHAT DID HE EARN EXCEPT A BIRTHRIGHT?
Well clearly this is obvious. Harry and Meghan have to go back to letting the BRF abuse them at will if they want their kids to have titles. This is it. Harry let them know he has more material for ALL the books and they are showing their one final hand. They can’t imagine that someone would reach a point where they don’t care about a title because this is all they have in their empty lives to strive for. ButHarry lives in the US now where titles are earned through hard work and not birth. Archie and Lily can be an astronaut, a fireman, a CEO, or anything they want. They don’t have to be abused to be a prince or princess and neither do their parents. God Charles is a disgusting pile of crap and that title he earns daily. What will you do next Charles, this was your last card. Now that you played it what do you do when Harry tells you to shove it and tank your “reign” further by kicking out the black grandchildren.
>The feeling is that the titles need to be earned.
It’s a hereditary monarchy. That’s not how this s*** works. The titles are either theirs by divine right or all the titles are made up bs, including Chuck’s.
I’m inclined towards the latter.
Whatever—- this is 1000% the exact truth
How much more of a double standard can he set, especially when it comes to his mixed race grandchildren? Earn their titles my butt, royalty and the entire aristocracy all have their titles handed to them on a silver platter. It’s obvious why it’s so different for the Sussex children. I doubt the aristos are happy with that declaration.
This is the sort of dumbassery that will serve only to draw attention to the fact that none of those yokels in the House of Windsor currently sitting on all that wealth and privilege have done nothing to deserve it other than being born to it. I hope it blows up in their faces.
So let me see if I got this right: the white grandkids get their titles bestowed on them by automatic birthright, but the half-black grandkids have to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and “earn” theirs? Ooookay, thanks for clearing that up.
Does Chuck realize what a racist fuck this makes him look like?
I tellya, those first five years are tough! You’ve got to earn those titles!
Exactly! Not to mention that Charles did nothing to earn his titles when he was a toddler!
Unbelievable. First, I thought when the queen died and he became king they automatically became a prince and princess? Second, how are 2 small children supposed to ‘earn’ their titles?
These fools. At this point I’m sure H&M could care less about titles. They’ve clearly moved on. And good for them. Their children will have a much better life as a result.
They do have their titles. Charles is planning to strip them of it. That was already established years ago. These sort of articles are supposed to put the blame on harry and meghan. I can already see the excuses: “because of h&m’s damning allegations towards the royal family the king has decided to strip their children of their titles. He just can’t trust harry and meghan and thought it best to cut the sussexes loose”
I highly doubt charles has seen archie since the christening and i don’t think he has seen lili at all. He doesn’t care about them but doesn’t want to be perceived as cold by the public. Charles is canny.
Prince Archie and Princess Lily are already titled. If Charles The Spineless want to change that he will have to make the changes himself. If titles have to be earned, then there is no point to the monarchy or the class system (which in my view they are pointless). At least noone can say he isn’t racist for making his mixed race (toddler) grandkids earn their title.
So technically, they’re prince and princess but the titles haven’t been “officially bestowed” yet, according to nichols. What in the heck does that mean? Being “officially bestowed” is a new made up thing right? A new fake protocol. And don’t even get me started on how those kids need to earn their hereditary titles. Oxymoron much? GTFOH. New rules for the non-whites. They have to earn it. As opposed to the white kids who just get it right away without all the hoops. They racist 4 real.
Well, has “king” been officially bestowed? No coronation yet.
@equality
Really stupid comment. Unless it was made to highlight the racism and absurdity of charles and all his cronies in the shidtmedia and the firm.
Kingston Sarcasm. Which the intelligent can recognize without having to resort to calling someone “stupid”. You could have also asked if it was without the “stupid” remark.
@Equality, I actually thought your comment was quite clever! If, according to KFC, nothing counts until it’s officially “bestowed,” then he isn’t “really” King yet, and W&K are still the D&DofCambridge. Charles didn’t quite think this comment through to its logical conclusion, lmao.
@Equality- I absolutely picked up on the sarcasm! AND I think your comment makes a good point! Kingston, youre a regular commentor, so you know Equality is a regular commentor. I just think the benefit of the doubt should be given, when you’re unsure of a comment’s subtext.
@ equality, well said!!! He isn’t actually KC3 yet, so he hasn’t earned his title either. But it isn’t beneath him nor his dreadful wife to start these manipulative games regarding two small children, one of whom is still learning to talk. But Chuckles wants them to “earn” their titles?
What about Edward Chuckles? Are you going to give him his promised title from his parents at the time of his marriage??
Earn as in by “staying sweet” and being obedient as the polygamists expect from their many wives. As for actual work, they sure didn’t like it when Meghan worked TOO hard, putting their lazy butts to shame.
So…ummm…Charles earned his title by 1. Having a p3nis 2. Shooting out of his mothers birth canal with item one before and other children did.
How many years of work, study, trust and effort did that take on his part at age one second old?
Hilariously expressed and very true.
Oh please the title question regarding archie and lili has been resolved since meg was pregnant with archie. Charles is going to pull them. Pretending otherwise is him trying to put the blame on harry’s shoulders
This exactly!!! Chuck’s trying to figure out a way to do that without being called out as a racist for denying the only biracial grandchildren of monarch their birthright.
That’s why I”m so glad Meghan said what she said in the Oprah interview. Anyone who wants to act like this is because of Harry’s memoir or whatever is just being willfully obtuse (which is not uncommon for the RRs obviously.) But Meghan told us it was being discussed while she was pregnant.
Exactly @Becks1. Meghan (and Harry) said what they said. They clarified some things. The dinner between the then Cambridges & Wales(C&C) in Oct. 2018 while H&M were on tour and after the official pregnancy announcement, wasn’t a casual dinner, it was a strategy meet/summit.
Within a week of the pregnancy announcement, the Times put out an article about how the Sussexes wanted to raise their child out of the spotlight (to the casual observer this sounds true). Then yahoo aussie put out an article repeating what the Times said. Once again, H&M were still on tour and not saying such things. An US Weekly story covered here on October 27, 2018 discussed all this. A page six article, which seems to have disappeared or I’m not finding it correctly, said something about how H&M didn’t want their child to have a title. Bullf&ckingshit. The groundwork was being laid. Just like everything else in the smear campaign.
From what I could find, Melissa Toubatti was asked to resign end of Sept/beginning of October of 2018. She wasn’t on the Oceania tour. Nov. 9th Eden puts out his thing about Melissa being the best thing ever (per palace insiders).lol And Meghan being “difficult”. (also after Jobson’s dumbass tiaragate story). Then the Meghan made Kate story came out.lol To give that story more bearing, the BM/BRF decided to run the story of Toubatti being left in tears/quitting in early Dec. 2018. Again. Omitting, she was asked to resign for misconduct. But, she was super valuable per *snort* a palace source that might sound like Chasin Enuff.
If Charles wants to remove titles from Archie & Lili-he should just do it and suffer the consequences from the Common Wealth countries & everyone else. This has nothing to do with the Chubbly. It’s actually in his best interest to not have any of the Sussexes titles stripped right now. No matter how acrimonious the relationship is with the Sussexes & Charles is….removing titles is not in Chares best interest. Love how Harry has laid his cards.
Charles can’t strip any titles because he doesn’t have the authority to do so, at this point only Parliament can do that. Laws would have to change in order for him to do so. There’s a bill called the Removal of Titles Bill and it’s going through a second reading in the House of Commons but the bill didn’t originate simply to remove the Sussexes titles, it was introduced well before that.
That is interesting @Jaded
Could it be amended? And include any and all titles being dissolved?
That sounds like a great cost saving bill.
Starting at the top of the pile with Chucky and Side Piece, all the way down to any of the OBEs and Dames etc.
No King or Queen = No need for Chubbly = Greatest Cost Saving Idea Ever!
If they’re to be earned, then it defeats monarchy’s purpose. This is a major oxymoron, being “dignified” has nothing to do with working for it.
Yaaaaas! Selene – excellent point.
Yep, similar to all that military regalia they drape themselves in, when none of them (except Harry and Pedo) have military experience.
Wait, what? Titles are “earned” now!? And a three year old and an 18 month old had better get to work on this.
This is some weird 💩.
POC always having to work harder and be better than their white peers in order to gain anything. That’s the truism here.
But William says they’re “very much not a racist family”. And yet the biracial children must earn their titles unlike everyone else. This would be funny if not so tragic.
Harry expecting these people to act like a family first and not an institution is never going to happen. These people are too involved with the press and worried about optics and image. They would rather do the opposite of good PR. Stop using manipulation and gaslighting tactics and just apologize, stop the leaking and call off the attack dogs you mobilized but this is the royal family. They almost never do anything right.
@Brit, ITA. Bless Harry for hoping otherwise (and this is not snark; I genuinely admire the fact that he was still able to be optimistic for so long), but you’re right. They’re never going to change, and I hope he’s realized that by now. Charles is incapable of being a normal, loving parent. (He hired a key staffer directly from the Fail, for god’s sake! That must have felt like such a slap in the face to the Sussexes.)
His reputation and his mistress-turned-wife will always be the only things he truly cares about. The best thing for Harry to do is to stop expecting anything different from KFC, but I know that’s easier said that done— especially considering he only has one parent left. But it seems so unhealthy for Harry to remain at the other end of KFC’s media games and bullsh!t. Harry has to know by now that he can’t expect *anything* from Charles anymore, except for the one constant— his briefing to the tabloids about his sons.
And since titles need to be earned why don’t we start referring to George, Charlotte and Louis as #1, Future scapegoat and “ most likely to be media cannon fodder thru his teens and early twenties” since they clearly haven’t earned any other titles.
Dude keeps digging a deeper hole. I suspect a whole bunch of Commonwealth countries are about to show him who they think earned a title.
He needs to be careful suggesting that their positions and wealth and power ought to be earned….that could open a whole can of worms that he isn’t prepared to address
Charles doesn’t see it yet but some article might eventually point it out
Thinking ahead has never been a strength for this lot.
True. How funny that Charles thought ahead for Camilla and her two children but then his generosity and planning slowed down and stopped with Williiam. Maybe the Parker Bowles’ relations will never outshine him and we know that’s the biggest crime.
How Charles refuses to be proud of his younger son is beyond me, gaaah!
@SarahCS, thinking, in general, is not a strength for the BRF/BM/RR’s/courtiers. At least good thinking.
Watch this boomerang right back at him.
The bit about the titles is absolutely disgusting. That’s not the way hereditary titles work, and the royal family out of everyone should know this. Peggington is the heir because he was born first, he did nothing to earn anything except be born, same with the Sussex children. Archie and Lili Diana are prince and princess because they are the grandchildren of the monarch. End of.
If the royal family want to start putting it out there that titles need to be earned, they’re gonna be in a world of hurt because the laziest of lazies walks among them *coughCamzillaWillyKeencough*
They should just come out and say what they really mean: these titles are whites-only. Others need not join the family; and if you do, prepare to be abused and othered and excluded until you die (because clearly leaving isn’t enough).
Yeah, the “they have to earn their titles” argument has at its basis the idea of a meritocracy.
Which, the last time I checked is the exact opposite of the fundamental principles of a monarchy based on being born into a family.
So, which is it guys?
From the sounds of it, they are going with a third option:
Crime family – where blood matter, everyone cowtows to the mob boss, the first born son gets the first pickings and everyone else is expendable if they don’t pay protection in money or deeds
Your definition of “crime family” could equally well be used for monarchy. No difference.
That’s rich.
So how can a 3 year old and 1 year old earn title’s
“The royals need to know that they can trust Harry and Meghan not to keep damaging the reputation of the family.”
So when does something happen to Andrew or his kids?
At this point the very existence of H&M damages the monarchy because it is SO messed up and they make people notice that rather than just going along with it and playing emperors new clothes as everyone did for years.
The entire irony! Pray tell, what exactly about monarchy is “earned”? What did George, Charlotte and Louis do to “earn” their titles? Like her namesake, Nicholl is dumb!
Titles aren’t earned. Monarchy and aristocracy are at the heart based are based on accident of birth and special favors. If it was based on merit, none of the so-called “working royals” would have titles at all.
So let wills children earn their titles.
Archie and Lili are going to be raised as Americans. In the docuseries Harry and Meghan, Harry stated this is all his children have known and America is home to them and Archie spent only the first five months of his life in Windsor. Dangling titles seems a moot point. Titles mean far more to the British than it does to Americans. Pretty sure these children living a richly fulfilled life will not twist over being called a Prince or Princess. If this is all Charles has to dangle for Harry then he has already lost the battle for this couple attending that very expensive nonsense. If Harry attends, it will be because Charles is his father and for no other reason.
Very well said! 👏
But the youngest Cambridge children didn’t earn their titles. They got their titles because Gan Gan changed the Patents letter for them. if she hadn’t, Charlotte and Louis would be the same as Archie and Lilibet and only received their titles in the queen died, and their grandfather became king.
@Maxine Branch – Well said! I think Harry and Meg are realistic enough to know that in reality, these ‘titles’ are more of a hindrance than anything else. Also, once William gets his claws on the throne, those titles would be stripped anyway. You can’t tell me he isn’t salivating at the prospect.
I actually threw the “F” word when I saw this headline. What a disgraceful grandfather to threaten and humiliate his grandchildren in a public forum. I know Harry wants reconciliation but, seriously I wouldn’t blame him if he told his father to stick his coronation invite where the sun doesn’t shine.
HE IS SO STUPID.
I wasn’t much into this titles thing but I now I hope Prince Archie and Princess Lili Diana really keep their titles because it’s their birthright, just like their Wails cousins. Whether they live in America or Antarctica, their titles are their birthright.
Charles will never strip the titles, but he will never instruct the digital guy at BP to update the royal website where Archie and Lili are concerned. He will never really address the issue as it’s his only leverage. Instead, he’ll constantly float articles about it until he croaks.
Agree. Charles has always sticks his head in the sand and goes ostrich thinking that whatever crisis is taking place will just go away by itself (e.g. Camzilla and the Clarkson debacle) and so it will be with the titles nonsense. If the bill currently before the House of Commons giving him the right to remove titles goes through a third reading and becomes law (and this could take years) then it would only be right to strip the Yorks of their titles and those of a bunch of other royal hangers-on (Prince/Princess Michael, etc.) and that ain’t gonna happen.
I can’t wait to see this douche get dragged for such an idiotic, tone deaf move.
I say they earned the titles by having a total waste of space for a grandfather.
Only the biracial babies have to “earn” their titles. Not the white ones. And what did any of those royals do to earn their titles. Lololololol.
@girl_ninja exactly! None of the other members had to “earn” their titles but Meghan’s kids should? Fuck off charles did you “earn” your title? Thank God Meghan doesn’t care
*Blinks*. But titles are not earned though. That’s… the whole point of them. To show you’re “special” because of your family.
Just file an official letters patent saying no titles because clearly that’s what Charles wants but doesn’t due to cowardice.
I don’t get the sense that Harry and Meghsn are that concerned about the titles given that they live in the US now. So Charles is off base if he thinks that he can use the titles to bring Harry to heal. My guess is if there’s no attempt at reconciliation Harry and Meghan will not be at the coronation.
I see this as an example of giving Charles enough rope to hang himself. Without any effort on Harry’s part charles is demonstrating all the racism and pettiness and ugliness that Harry wrote about.
I think we should all just start referring to the Sussex children as Prince Archie and Princess Lilly on our own. We don’t need Charles to give or take away permission.
America to this day talks about “Princess” Diana, even though that was not technically her title. As a bonus, it would drive the truly dusty saltines up a wall!
I refer to Prince Archie and Princess Lilbet every chance I get.
It’s their birthright according to the law, so if their racist, white grandfather takes the titles away, the entire world will know it’s because they are mixed race of Black heritage.
If that’s what Charles wants the history books to record, so be it. He will go down in history as the weak, cowardly British monarch who was such a bigot, he couldn’t even find love in his heart for his own grandchildren. And it’ll be a matter of public record that KC3’s racist plan was formed while Prince Archie was still in his biracial mother’s womb.
Both those children look like a fairy tale prince and princess ..they can’t deny that this mix has created truly lovely babies . Charles should be proud .
Promises promises. C-Rex is disgusting re his treatment of Harry and his biracial children and their titles. The RF and RRs still refuse to use the correct Sussex children’s titles – those they had prior to and after C-Rex ascending the throne.
Charles wants the Sussexes to attend his clown fest and is letting his media overlords know it. How the RRs and their bosses respond to the king refusing to do their bidding on this issue will be interesting. C-Rex is still dumb as hell for not having the rest of the royals appear on the balcony with him for this historic occasion and also an opportunity to look patriarchal and magnanimous. OTOH, he’s depriving the RRs of a great photo op and numerous bs articles so props to him for that. He’ll be overshadowed regardless.
In the meantime, no rest for the wicked tap dancing royals. No peace either as the BM demands their pound of flesh from the RF to maintain their secrets and keep their own profit margin high while trying to exploit the Sussexes without getting sued for their lies. Oh well…
Fuck off charles! Was your title “earned”?!
Titles have to be earned? That mess comes more from the BM; and with Nicholl’s spouting off it has KP’s blessing. You know the rota is hacked off about all of those pictures of Archie and Liil in the docuseries and they didn’t get to profit from them. Bulliam is mad that his kids have to be wheeled out to keep his dirt from coming out and he wants Harry and Meghan to be forced to do the same. Nicholl also stupidly confirms Harry’s contentions that the Un-Fab Four are jealous and insecure.
Yeah, I was just wondering if this actually from William and not Charles, considering its Katie Nicholls. But idk? Cuz this sounds like Charles too. One question I have though is, if Charles doesn’t write a new letters patent stripping the sussex children of their title, can William write a new letters and strip them of their titles when he becomes king?
It will take an Act of Parliament to give Charles the right to strip titles. There’s a bill currently going through a second reading in the House of Commons to give Charles the power to remove titles but it will take years to be approved/disapproved, and if it passes that will open up a huge can of worms because if a royal isn’t actively “royalling” Andrew and his daughters would likely have their titles removed as well as a bunch of other useless royals.
Nicholl has always been the Kate/Midds mouthpiece. She’s the one Kate would call from holiday, tell her where they were and they were back together, and leak info about Harry, his relationships, his location.
This leak may be Kate/Carol(E) trying to make a fuss, get more people 1) turned against the idea of Harry and Meghan at the Coronation and 2) turned against Archie and Lilibet’s titles remain untouched (now they have them but don’t use them).
Let’s not forget Kate and the Midds mistreatment of Meghan and the Sussex children. Kate/Carol(E) want the W&K kids being the only HRHs and princes/princesses of that generation. They want Charlotte being the only *royal* granddaughter of Diana.
Okay, yeah she is more of a Midd connection. That makes sense. But I’m still wondering if william can one day strip the Sussexes titles? Like if Charles doesn’t, william can right? Or can it only be Charles for some rule I don’t know?
Lol royal titles are ‘earned’ now instead of birthright, ok 😂. If they keep going this way maybe they’ll end the monarchy after all! I mean, the title should be earned, right? Here’s hoping! 🤞
Meghan will never be forgiven for exposing the BRF’s desire for an all white monarchy. KC can spin it any way he wants but everyone who watched the Oprah interview knows that there were plans to strip Archie’s title when Meghan and Harry were senior working royals.
personally i think this is a blessing in disguise for archie and lilibet for charles being petty. they can still have aristocracy titles but none of the trappings of the monarchy. not beholden to the institution and will have the inheritance meghan and harry will set aside for them. and with harry and meghan as parents, they will still have all the doors open for the upper society in the US and UK in terms of social standing. the perks of being a show pony but none of the prancing. after reading harry’s book, where he talks about the trauma of growing up royal with no loving parent figure after his mom’s death, and the circus royalty put kids through…idk anyone that would want to put their kids through that. and archie and lilibet are as much American as British, and I’d like to think their parents will teach them the value of hard work to earn respect rather than a title passed on simply bc they hit the genetic lottery.
I’ll go a step further Kaiser I think it’s Camilla briefing the press about not wanting them there (w/Charles’ blessing) with Willy providing back up. While I do think Charles eventually wants a reconciliation in the future he does not want it soon. In fact aside from Eugenie and her husband I don’t think anyone wants to keep in touch with Harry. Remember one thing we learned from Spare is that this family is an institution first that sporadically have family moments.
Oh no, the days of Sussex being low profile ended in 2022. No longer hide out in Frogmore as if in shame, no, they are included in everything, Meghan wears a tiara on the balcony. Full security and no restrictions what they do or where they go. Or, take the kids to Disneyworld for Archie’s birthday. Overshadowing happens either way, after all it was KC’s decision to have his coronation on Archies’s birthday.
These shidteaters and shidtstirrers are either deliberately or obtusely ignoring THEE most important thing about this ‘will they/wont they’ be invited/attend the Clownation: Prince Harry said: “APOLOGIZE TO MY WIFE.”
Thats STEP ONE.
STEP TWO, he said:
ACCEPT ACCOUNTABILITY (i:e for the part they – his family: charles, willy cowmilla, played in contributing the the media onslaught against his wife.)
STEP THREE: PRIVATE reconciliation talks between them. AS A FAMILY.
“I want a FAMILY,” H said; “NOT an institution.”
And all we’ve had so far are institution mouthpieces mouthing off.
I wonder what part of that process is difficult to understand?
Concise and to the point.
The question is why they continue to refuse to listen to Harry?
They fail to recognized that he is aware power and status via the institution is a priority over him and by extension, his family.
Harry knows that he has real options pertaining to their passion for public service outside of the institution. Note the recent report.
It is a desperate attempt to recapture control, in order to abuse Harry into compliance using the useless and inapplicable tools of public relations, heavy on the gaslighting.
As per usual, William’s concerns are unrepentant, therefore why should Harry and Meghan should be miniatures of themselves to satisfy him????
Why allow themselves to face open rudeness and be docile in the face of hostilities?? from the Wales?? Camilla?
Remember abusers never give up their power, it has to be wrenched from them.
Harry has stated his reasonable terms clearly, family relationships over the edicts of institution.
He is like a Jamaican he has more than one job. 😊
As his terms continue to fall on deaf ears, he should be willing to walk away.
A difficult but emotionally healthy decision.
From the stories it seems Rexie really wants Harry at his coronation and I can’t help but feel that Rexie very desperately wants to see his youngest son publicly bow to him at the ceremony. Sick dude has probably fantasized about everyone who will bow to him at the Coronation…for decades.
I think he wants everyone to see Meghan curtsy to him more than anything else
Oh yes! Absolutely! And I tend to think that Charles shares Jeremy Clarkson’s fantasy of punishing Meghan. The RF hates her for loving Harry and giving him children. They blame the Sussex exit on her.
How funny that this comes out at the same time that a UN report comes out accusing the UK of mistreating black britons. The report discusses the systematic racism that black Britons face, how they are considered outsiders (hello, Hussey!).
And now the king wants toddlers to earn their titles? That is an oxymoron. And how, precisely, will toddlers do that? Prince Charles doesn’t get to bestow the titles. The titles are bestowed via the 1917 letters patent. He can only take them away.
How on earth can Harry and Meghan show up and the Clowning Con and NOT pull focus? How can they appear and not appear at the same time? They may be taking “black girl magic” a little too literally. If they are there, they will be the story. Not by anything they do, but by their very presence. The more the Palace tries to humiliate them, the more gracious they will look. If they put the Sussexs in the back with the “commoners,” the Sussexes will be the center of attention in the commoner section because they will be just as gracious and poised as they were at the funeral.
The royals have one currency: closeness to their person. Traditionally, the closer you were to the monarch, the more favored you are. but that’s contingent on the subjects actually caring about being close to the monarch. Meghan and Harry don’t care, so lack of closeness isn’t a weapon that can be used against them.
The royals don’t understand that.
What they also don’t realize is that they could make it more difficult for high profile people to accept their honors. What happens if celebrities no longer want to be associated with the royal family? What happens if foreign media no longer cares about visits from the royal family? They are shitting in their own nest, and wondering why no one wants to share a nest with them.
Alam Cumming just returned his OBE/CBE whatever. Not because of the Sussexes of course, but he no longer wants to be recognized in that way. If the royals become increasing associated with right wing racism, then more and more people will refuse British honors. (How many people, for example, would accept honors from the Saudi royal family?)
Re Ianne’s comment about closeness to the Monarch. I was struck by the difference in seating between the jubilee and the funeral.
For the jubilee, the Queen gave H&M her personal security, their own processional in church escorted by the Queen’s own head usher, and (presumably) Harry’s choice of seating — on the other side of the church from father and brother. And not even an aisle seat for Harry where the brothers would even briefly be in the same camera frame when the senior royals passed by on the way to their seats.
Compare that to the first funeral service where H&M were seated immediately behind his father — making it impossible to get a camera shot of H&M without KC3 in it.
So, no, H&M may not give a fig about seating arrangements, but KC3 certainly does.
{snip}Technically, they are now entitled to use “Prince” and “Princess” because Harry is the son of the monarch, but the titles have not officially been bestowed on them. “The matter of titles is still up in the air,” says a source. “The feeling is that the titles need to be earned. The royals need to know that they can trust Harry and Meghan not to keep damaging the reputation of the family.”{/snip}
The idea isn’t that two toddlers need to earn the titles (or, more to the point, not have them taken away), but that Harry and Meghan need to “fall in line” in order to have the palace publicly recognize them on a website. But the fact remains that Harry and Meghan have the right to start calling them Prince Archie and Prince Lilibet right now if they wanted to, just as Edward and Sophie had every right to call their children Princess Louise and Prince Such-and-Such from birth. The latter supposedly chose not to, but may have been dissuaded from doing so to prevent the BRF from looking too bloated while they were pushing the idea of a slimmed-down monarchy.
Nice use of passive voice here, by the way: “The feeling is that the titles need to be earned.” Who feels that way? The next sentence would *suggest* it’s some unnamed royals by relating the issue of the children’s titles to the their supposed concerns about Harry and Meghan, but the fact that it’s not outright attributed to “the royals” gives pause.
I’ve often wondered if the issue of stripping titles isn’t something pushed more often by *courtiers* and members of the RR than members of the BRF. The idea that hereditary titles can be stripped based on behavior–or one’s parents’ behavior–isn’t one that I can see most nobles being comfortable with. It agitates the very foundation of the aristocracy. QEII and KCIII are obviously aware of that, as they rejected Harry and Meghan’s original offer to relinquish their titles* in the first place.
I just don’t see Charles, as petty as he can be, issuing a letters patent to immediately remove his grandchildren’s prince and princess titles because Harry won’t play ball. His whole public shtick now is that of the eccentric-but-affable avuncular old man. He hates the idea of being disliked, and he’s a famous ditherer. If he ever gets around to making a decision on the whole thing, it will be done in time-specific way. And by the time their titles have expired, he’ll likely have passed on.
(Of course, The Daily Mail could order him to do it, in which case you can render the above paragraph moot.)
*I’m aware that royal titles and noble titles are different, and that the processes for removing them are different. Regardless, using any type of hereditary title as a bargaining chip sets a standard in the mind of the public. People will start to wonder why, if you can un-title a royal for an action or an inaction, the same can’t be done for a mere earl?
If Charles pushes the Sussexes all the way out, strips titles, etc then what incentive does Harry have to not publish those 400 remaining pages? With evidently all the unspoken “juicy” stuff? Might as well use up all of your ammo at that point. The Unroyals want to make it seem like Harry is the one left dangling but really they are the ones twisting in the wind.
Harry is probably emotionally prepared for any eventuality.
He has remained a monarchist throughout this ordeal.
He has already walked away from the abuse, not from his country, his friends, patronages nor his comrades inside of the armed forces and his extended family.
That is all he needs to do.
I admire his restraint.
I’ve wondered if part of Harry’s restraint might rest on a desire to keep options open for his kids. No one knows if at some point they’ll care about titles, want to be educated or live in a Commonwealth country, or even develop relationships with family members in the years ahead.
Either way, I think it’s great that Harry has some no-ducks-left-to-give pages already written, read by at least his ghostwriter, and safely locked away as insurance, should he ever wish to use it.
I’m not sure what audience KC3 is playing to by refusing to recognize Archie’s and Lili’s titles. If he’s accommodating William or playing to UK white supremacists, I understand.
But his attitude is being read totally differently by POC outside his small bubble in the Commonwealth and elsewhere. It looks to the rest of the world that the House of Windsor is refusing to recognize biracial royals.
If KC3 thinks H&M consider their children’s birthrights as bargaining chips for anything, he is woefully misguided.
Putting family issues aside, KC3 could do himself a world of good in the “we’re not racist” sweepstakes by just updating the royal website with the titles that A&L already have.
He should’ve done that Day One. It would’ve immediately put all of that suspicion on William. He has no issue throwing William under the bus with every other issue, so it made me wonder.
The fact is they can plan for a lowkey visit all they want. It’s a lose/lose situation. Harry and Meghan aren’t craving the spotlight but we know the press begging will make it all about them. They weren’t on the balcony at the Jubbly and yet were were getting hourly reports on their whereabouts and who they might be meeting with. We got telephoto lenses closeups of them talking to family at the palace before the senior royals arrived and I don’t know how many times times they played their stunning entrance to the church on loop. Even the funeral became about H&M, against their will. Whether Harry would make it to Balmoral and what events would he be allowed to attend..it was nonstop. A reporter claiming they can’t attend the Royal holiday event because they have to watch Harry and Meghan’s Netflix show. The recent BBC flub with the US Ambassador…all shows the press has no shame in milking any story of H&M. Yet the KC3 is unwilling to officially tell the press that his son is off limits. Just tell the press to stop upstaging you Charles by focusing on your son on what’s supposed to be your biggest day.
The “earned” part is a gag order on the H&M. Their kids get titles if H&M come to the coronation on Charles terms *using them* and they agree to never speak about the BRF and BM. He will not say sorry, he will not show them respect or protection beyond the coronation and maybe even during it depends on his mood. He has no other leverage and I do think Harry wants them to have titles because it’s their birthright and one of the few connections they will have to the UK. With titles of HRH they will get security from Scotland yard when they visit. i think this is the only reason he didn’t give them the title and tried to make it look like H&M demanded them. I don’t think they did because its automatic they were pist because that would have put and end to the security issues under royal law and they would get protection. Charles and Will tried to get QE2 to make Archie an Earl which is below a Duke and a Marquess putting Prince Archie almost at the bottom of the pecking order. To make a blood born prince an Earl is what I think helped open his eyes as to how they are treating and see his children wife. If they don’t give them the titles I think Harry will be hurt but move on and they are still by law Prince and Princess and can use with or without Charles’ permission.
Harry has the HRH so where is his security? Meghan is HRH too as are the kids. Charles has no leverage here and he knows it. He made a huge mistake by not giving the Sussexes security because now they have even less incentive to go over there, plus they are not indebted to Charles for anything. I think all of this performance by the palace is to not make it seem like Harry has won even though he has. The Queen may not have been any happier about the Sussexes leaving than the rest, but at least she had enough sense to realize that treating them kindly (in public) was the way to go. Now they don’t have a bad word to say about her. Chuck,Crocmilla and Willy aren’t smart enough to figure that out.
I mean this is how its suppose to go. According to the BRF bs. A royal blood born prince should never have had his security taken to begin with. Not recognizing Harry’s kids to have in his mind leverage is straight up evil and yes racist. I just meant that H&M were still playing ball thinking that at least their kids are blameless only to get smacked again with reality of who Charles really is. The Queen is a racist peace of work and she stood by and allowed it all these years so no she is not smarter. She is the queen and had every opportunity to help in a meaningful way but why would she when Harry is just the 6th in line with a black wife. I do think she was impressed with Meghan but only because she saw her usefulness on her behalf.
Beatrice and Eugenie have the HRH and do not have security, so that blows that whole argument.
They had security for years until 2011 and only reason it was remove was because Charles wanted the slimmed down monarchy and demoted them to non-working royals. Prince Andrew fought tooth and nail to have the “only two blood born princesses” keep their titles. Charles/Queen wanted that removed too but backed off. They were entitled to security but Charles has been in QE2 ear once he had his own spare and heir to do Andrew what he is now doing with Will to Harry. KC3 is using the same excuse “non working royal” to mistreat H&M and kids when in reality they were exiled. I think I heard a rumor KC3 wants to revisit taking the princesses HRH, not give Edward the Duke of Edinburgh title and IMO wants to only give titles to W+K and their kids.
@Okay PW would probably like things changed so that only his line has the HRH and titles. If he ever gets to be king, bet he will.
@equality That’s it in a nutshell. Charles clearly wants to decide who the royals “are” (Camilla, and Willy and his offspring). Clearly it doesn’t work that way, but the moment Elizabeth died, Charles hit the deck wanting to “decide” Who’s In and Who’s Out.
@equality yes, I think Charles and his narc side positioned him enough to feel that only people in direct line to the crown should get them but what does that mean for Charlotte and especially Louis who will be knocked down the line when George has kids. It’s the same toxic cycle of financial and mental abuse. I really think the 3rd one is the spare. They changed the law like in 2014 so Charlotte doesn’t get knocked down the line by Louise but then what does that make Louis ? yikes I think they should change it so that only adults are in the line for the crown. All these does is give them an opportunity to mold and abuse the child runner up. As much as I dislike Will he was and is still being abused but is so not able to see it or leave that he has become and abuser too. As a reformed person with rage issues myself. I grew up around abuse and it was how i thought you defended your self in the mess. I have gotten therapy since but what I mean Pegg is not okay either. Bless M for being a good woman.
I am really sick of this garbage. Chuckles needs to grow up and instead of leaking to the trash tabloids, he needs to talk to his son and hash things out. They need to see if the relationship can be salvaged. It should not be transactional. And this title thing is bs. If chuckles is going to keep threatening to give or take things away, then Harry and Meghan should really have none of it. No father who loves their son would do that. And one more thing, I can’t imagine a more bland balcony than with the 4 of those empty people on it.
He doesn’t have the spine for decency.
I would be very disappointed with H&M if they showed up to the Chubbly. They would be subjecting themselves to the BM and all for what Charles? Nah I hope Harry has healed enough and found more self love that the mere thought of going is bonkers. This would cost them respect globally. Also, lets be honest its going to be sh*t show too. He should decline respectfully and put out a respectful dignified statement thanking Charles for the invite and drop waiting for an apology.
I hate this narrative that pops up anytime the Sussexes head to the Uk for an event.
People said they would lose respect when they went back for the funeral (Harry), Diana statue, the jubby, and the second funeral.
Instead each time they have been the center of attention and received MASSIVE amounts of support all over social media. In fact I would argue especially in the last 2 events that’s when I’ve seen the loudest and consensus support for Harry and Meghan because they held their heads high and showed up in the lions den.
So who exactly are they losing the respect of?
Most people seem to understand that Harry is still a son of the king. It’s complicated..none of this is as black as white as we want it to be. There’s lots of nuance and complication that Harry and Meghan have to navigate not only dealing with “family” but also when media and government, job prospects are involved.
They absolutely do hold their heads up high every time they go.
The “earned” part says it all. King Charles’ white grandchildren automatically received their titles at birth…but he declares that his mixed-race grandchildren with Black heritage must scramble to get what is already legally theirs. People, this is one very obvious definition of racism.
If the people of the UK don’t – or won’t – see this blatant truth, rest assured the rest of the world is easily connecting the dots.
These titles are heredity through shared DNA.
The children has attained the requirements to have them bestowed upon them.
These lovely children are not the first mixed race individuals born into RF,
Queen Victoria’s grandmother was from the Portugal House of Moor’s.
That did not stop her father, King Edward from being able to ascend the throne.
Evoking racism, gives them an easy out and make them a ‘victim’ in the age of disinformation.
This is about pure vindictiveness, vengeance and a poor attempt to control, to keep power when misused, leads to abuse.
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But I still maintain that the level of racism regarding Meghan and Prince Archie and Princess Lilibet is off the charts. To ignore that the foundation of all of this abuse from the britshit media & the RF is white supremacy and a sense that people with Black heritage shouldn’t be “royal” lets bigots off the hook.
Queen Victoria’s father was Prince Edward. He never ascended the throne because he died six days before his own father, King George III. His mother was Queen Charlotte whose 9-times great-grandmother was Margarita de Castro y Sousa the black royal from Portugal.
Which came first, the chicken or the egg. This started when the black princess dared to shine. This is totally about misogynoir. And because she didn’t know her place, it led to vindictiveness, vengeance, control, nasty articles out of Compton, photos of chimpanzees, gaslighting, private questions about what she would do the bloodline etc. Well, the Sussexes are independent, and the devil still doesn’t rest, and they have passed this hatred down to her children. Modern day slavery. Make no mistake, this is not about Harry, because they are actively trying to get him back by taking titles, taking security, taking funding, telling us through the rota, taking patronages, now they are coming after his offspring, all the while trying to make him scream Uncle! They would take him back yesterday if they could, but they don’t want “HER” there.
William says there is no trust left between him and Prince Harry.
Subtext: William accepts that he has lost his diaper as Prince Harry will no longer cover his ass.
Okay. So Prince Archie and Princess Lilibet have to earn their titles (because Black folks)
So exactly how did that 40 year old Prince of Anger and Wails earn his title? I mean he had 40 years to prepare and he can’t utter one sentence in Welsh. I suspect he didn’t expect the monarchy to survive his granny.
The Sussexes don’t control the spotlight. The press do. Even their absence is a form of presence, “Where is Meghan”? If the “covered” control the spotlight the Royals would be in the media when they aren’t talking about The Sussexes
How did Eugenia and Beatrice earn their titles as infants, other than being the male line grandchildren of the monarch.
Nothing in this house of cards has ever been earned. All is hereditary. Now a 3 and 1 year old must “earn” their titles? How did George, Charlotte and Louis do that? Other rules for black children. This stinks to high heaven.
Charles is not a chess player. <—-understatement of the month.
Maybe Charles is suggesting that H&M sign a gag order, so their kids can have titles. As if. I don’t even think the titles are useful, since the kids are being raised in the U.S. and have dual citizenship. To them, the UK is where their mother and grandmother were driven to near-suicide.
Then it is not about the titles, it is about their use as a hostage:-
To blatantly manipulate…..
To control….
He is an awful grandfather using those 2 children as pawns.
He was an awful father and an awful husband and is an awful human being. Ugly on the inside and the out. Just like his glorified side-piece.
The Church of England have too much influence and Harry & Meghan will hopefully not attend they be treated abominably.
Also remember KC is head of the Anglican Church. Harry and Meghan have two beautiful children whose grandfather cares nothing for.
Please H, stay in the beautiful USA on Archie’s birthday. Charles is only doing this for his own popularity.
Lmao at “the preschoolers have to earn their titles.” Isn’t the whole point of a monarchy that people are born into their titles, Chuck? What have you done to earn your title, my dude?
Did he earn his title?? It never ends with them.
Only the children of color have to earn their titles. Got it.
These people are really bad at PR. KFC is saying you do things my way or I’ll take the titles away from your children . . . your bi-racial children. Yes, KFC, what else do you want to tell the world? I’m sure we’ll all be waiting with bated breath.
After the bm made Harry’s risk factor go up with the Taliban, I think the Sussexes will quite honestly be able to say that they have been advised not to attend because of the security risk (assuming they are invited). There. Done. KFC can now decide what he wants to do. The world will be watching.
These children earned their titles through their birthright.
Apparently William thinks he is already King. His anger is increasingly a problem. Also interesting that Charles is now seeking to fix the problems he created – and I’m glad that Charles and others realize that William, Kate and Camilla are part of the problem.
Charles would not consider Camilla the problem. But he seems to be afraid of William’s incandescence. Charles should just let his two youngest grandchildren keep the title and ignore William.
What is wrong with these people? None of the Windsors or their predecessors has ever earned his or her title. They got them when they were born, because they were born and for no other reason.
Logic teachers across the UK must have permanently bruised foreheads.
Isn’t this similar to what Queen Margrethe of Denmark did recently — removed the titles of some grandchildren, not others? Bitter old hag.
Bitter Old Hag suits that witch perfectly. And yes that is exactly what she did.
Removed the Prince and Princess titles from her second sons children. Only the first born/Heir sons children are now titled as Prince/Princess.
Those cousins are publicly “demoted” by their own Grandmother. Witch.
Realist, she made of mess of it, didn’t she. She met with her Son and after that nothing more was said out loud about it. If I remember correctly, their titles would have been removed at age 21? 25? So, they weren’t life long titles to begin with.
H&M have already gone on record at the Oprah interview that they were told that Archie would not get an HRH like his Cambridge cousins did, and, because he wasn’t HRH he would not get security. How does that not look racist?
KFC has painted himself into a corner. I think the only thing he could do at this point if he wants to remove the titles from the children is remove Charlotte’s and Louis’, too. Now we’re talking about slimmed down Monarchy. If he just removes the titles from THR Prince Archie and Princess Lilibet, he’ll be seen (rightly) as a racist globally.
KChucky is an idiot. Truly.
No one actually gives 2 hot damns about Titles.
H&Ms children are grandchildren of the King of England, titles or not.
Princess Annes now grown children never had titles and they live a very privileged life.
Archie and Li are American citizens.
Go soak your “royal” head, King Chucky.
I really want to call him King Tampon, from here on out. Would that be OK?
“Earning” anything goes completely against the entire basis of the UK class structure, with the laziest assholes who didn’t work a day in their lives on top, and the hardest working people and people who can’t work being ground into dirt at the bottom. Aristocratic titles are by definition unearned. Which is why the UK is in the mess it’s in now.
Harry, if you’re popping in, whatever you do – DON’T GO.
They’ll just find a new way to bully and humiliate you. You already know that Camilla has got her own agenda that benefits herself and her children and William does not have your back.
STAY AWAY.
Came here to say – with all the fuss being made I will laugh and laugh if H&M rsvp a big fat ‘no’ citing his child’s birthday 😂😂😂😂😂😂
I don’t see those crusty clowns giving him security while him and his fam are in the UK for the coronation and he’s not especially chummy with anyone else that he couldn’t otherwise see any other time so why bother attending. Just seems like a dangerous waste of time with the press and RR probably being super aggressive in their coverage – like the nastiness will ramp up if they confirm attendance and it could be a dangerous situation. Worst case scenario only Harry should attend and everyone else can stay in peace in Montecito living their best life on the beach 😂😂
Can you imagine if King Tampon would become ill to the point that William would become King?
I’d bet a $100 cash, William #1. decision would involve shipping Cam and her kids to the far side of planet Earth.
Looking forward to Camilla getting what she deserves. The sooner the better.
The monarch does not have the power to do that. And good thing too. The monarchy still has way too much power, but if they had the amount previous monarchs had, the death toll would be staggering.
this is truly a racist move-God please continue to bless and keep the Sussex family safe from all evils called the royal family.
I don’t think anyone outside the King and his 1st in line should have any titles, this monarchy thing should be shrinking and gradually fading away, everyone else should be Mr and Ms or Mrs, this is 2023 please. The Sussex kids need to grow up happy and protected, titles won’t add any value to their lives in America, Charles and co cannot use that as a bargaining chip, pointless.
The kids need to “earn” the titles? Does he even know how a hereditary monarchy works? The foundational idea is that one is born or married to it, not that it can be earned through work or merit. These people . . .
“The matter of titles is still up in the air,” says a source. “The feeling is that the titles need to be earned.
Wait, so a family whose entire existence is premised on the idea of things being given to you simply by function of birth is saying H&M’s kids (his grandchildren, by the way) need to “earn” titles? Weird how that has literally never been the case in the 1000+ year history of the BRF, but sure, let’s institute that now. Heck, even the Nazi, Edward VII wasn’t required to “earn” a title after renouncing the throne and causing a full fledged constitutional crisis, but I guess he didn’t marry a Black woman, so in their eyes, still the lesser sin.
Do they really and truly understand how ridiculous they are?
KC3 needs to spell it out, you need to be pure British (or German or Greek) to get a title, and that’s the end of that. None of these colonials or dusky maidens need apply.
Everytime I think this Turd can’t get any worse as a father and grandfather, he surprises me . What has he or anyone else in that family ever done to earn anything except being born to the right parents In the right order? But sure the children with black in them must earn their titles . Chucky can go stick his titles where the sun doesn’t shine.