I never messed with Euphoria – it always looked like a show in which adult actors play teens in adult situations. The more I hear about the plotlines and show-runner/producer Sam Levinson, the more convinced I am that I was right to avoid it altogether. Levinson seems like a disgusting person who is working out his own f–ked up fetishes on-screen. Well, speaking of – Rolling Stone has a new piece about Levinson’s latest, The Idol. This is the HBO show starring The Weekend and Lily-Rose Depp. Originally, under a different director and team, is was supposed to be about Depp’s character (a young pop star) falling under the spell of a charismatic cult leader in LA and trying to navigate her way out of danger. Then HBO fired everybody and hired Levinson, who scrapped the original scripts and millions of dollars worth of footage. Levinson rewrote everything to make it disgusting and misogynistic. From Rolling Stone:
Though the show was ordered to series in November 2021, it’s been months since HBO gave a concrete update about when The Idol will debut. One source with knowledge of the production schedule tells Rolling Stone the network initially hoped for The Idol to premiere last fall, taking over the Sunday time slot left open by House of the Dragon, which ended in October. Yet three teaser trailers have come and gone, and HBO can still only offer a vague “later this year.” (A rep for the network declined to comment on when the show will air.)
Now, production sources tell Rolling Stone that even they are in the dark on when the show will make it to air, and have little idea about what the final version will look like, claiming the production was plagued by delays, reshoots, and rewrites. “It was, let’s just say, a sh-tshow,” one says.
The first public inkling of trouble came last April, when director Amy Seimetz, of The Girlfriend Experience and She Dies Tomorrow, suddenly exited with roughly 80 percent of the six-episode series finished. HBO addressed the news by confirming The Idol was set to have a major creative overhaul and would be adjusting the cast and crew. There was little explanation for the shakeup, except for reports that Tesfaye, who is co-creator, felt the show was heading too much into a “female perspective.”
With Seimetz out of the picture, HBO handed the reins to Levinson, only to have him weaken the show’s overarching message, many sources say, by dialing up the disturbing sexual content and nudity to match — and even surpass — that of his most successful show, Euphoria.
“What I signed up for was a dark satire of fame and the fame model in the 21st century,” one production member explains. “The things that we subject our talent and stars to, the forces that put people in the spotlight and how that can be manipulated in the post-Trump world.” However, they add, “It went from satire to the thing it was satirizing.”
Four sources say that Levinson ultimately scrapped Seimetz’s approach to the story, making it less about a troubled starlet falling victim to a predatory industry figure and fighting to reclaim her own agency, and more of a degrading love story with a hollow message that some crew members describe as being offensive.
“It was like any rape fantasy that any toxic man would have in the show — and then the woman comes back for more because it makes her music better,” one production member explains of Levinson’s version.
“Except for reports that Tesfaye, who is co-creator, felt the show was heading too much into a ‘female perspective.’” Basically, Abel wanted to make a show where he was a charismatic cult leader who could do anything he wanted with zero consequences and when the original showrunner tried to rein the story in, HBO fired her and replaced her with Levinson, who shares Abel’s misogynistic vision.
Embarrassingly, Abel then tweeted out a clip from the show in which his character insults a fictional reporter from Rolling Stone. The terrible acting from Depp and Abel should be enough to convince you to skip this entire mess.
.@RollingStone did we upset you? pic.twitter.com/Uyx06lyRgx
— The Weeknd (@theweeknd) March 1, 2023
EXCLUSIVE: Sam Levinson's The Idol, starring The Weeknd and Lily-Rose Depp, has gone off the rails, 13 sources claim. "It was like any rape fantasy that any toxic man would have — and then the woman comes back for more because it makes her music better"https://t.co/DXl8WcN20H
— Cheyenne Roundtree (@cheyenneisround) March 1, 2023
Photos courtesy of Cover Images, Backgrid.
Too much female perspective. Eff him and the horse he rode in on. And Lilly Rose Depp is Hollywood royalty, and it still sounds like she’s possibly being abused by misogynists doing a vanity project.
Is Tesfaye also involved in the decisions to vault Batgirl and cancel Minx, which was almost done with season 2?
They’ve pulled season 1 off the platform too (and I hadn’t gotten caught up yet) and I was really enjoying it, really impressed with the issues Minx was taking on, plus the cast is fantastic.
Am still hoping they can get distribution for season 2 and keep going.
But yeah – even if it’s not Tesfaye w the other stuff, the situation w The Idol sounds like more of some kind of disturbing backlash and major misogynist going on at HBO.
I for one am very concerned.
Tesfaye, I believe is The Weekend’s last name. He has nothing to do with canceling or scheduling shows. it sounds like this was latched on to because The Weeked is popular and has a huge fan base even though I don’t think he can sing. I can only imagine how bad this show is. He seems like an ego-maniac and I don’t think she’s far behind.
I can’t believe that Dan Levy is a part of this sh*tshow.
I assume he signed on when it was a critical satire under the original show runner.
I wondered about this too.
Not good for his brand now, having this on his cv.
This whole show is just Euphoria 2.0 with worse actors, I like Lily-Rose Depp in some things but I was skeptical about this anyway. Now it looks like a dumpster fire, lol.
“It was like any rape fantasy that any toxic man would have in the show — and then the woman comes back for more because it makes her music better.” Wow. That’s…horrific. And doesn’t sound like satire at all, just wishful rapey thinking.
This is gonna be a huge fail for all three of them and I love that for them.
If you go back and read the lyrics of Abe’s music it is CLEAR that he is a misogynist and has major issues with women and inflated view of himself. HBO is really just a mess with this new Discovery Channel partnership. A. Mess.
I was just going to comment this!!! His lyrics tell you all about the type of person he is. Unfortunately most people hear music but don’t listen to it. Anyone who has actually listened to his music will not be surprised by this story.
I love Zendaya. But not even she can get me to watch an episode of Euphoria. The more I hear about nepo baby Sam Levinson the less likely I am to watch Euphoria or any other show/movie with his name attached to it.
This is so gross. Levinson is every abusive man who fantasizes about abusing women. And I used to be a fan of Abel but no longer – this is reprehensible. And HBO is really leaning into its sexism these days.
Sam Levinson gives me Max Landis vibes. He thought he was untouchable as well
Horrifying. So disgusted with the glorification of torture and violence in Hollywood. I have seen clips of Euphoria and the acting looks amazing but I cannot stomach watching pain and exploitation for entertainment. Lily Rose is likely messed up from her parents and we all know what The Weeknd is. He has told us himself repeatedly over the years. So disgusted and sad.
Euphoria appeared to be nothing more than torture porn. Reading how some actors had exited that series was enough for me to stay away too. And isn’t Drake one of the producers of that show?
Abel is a f@cked up piece of work who probably needs to go to rehab.
I hate these shows that shove hot young people doing drugs and having sex in our face under the guise of “art” or being “edgy”. Have you met teenagers? And/or addicts? None of it is glamorous so I never started on Euphoria. I’ve seen bits here and there and the trailer. I’m not the target audience, to put it mildly.
This sounds horrible. Too much female perspective??? Yikes. How would he like it if some producer said “No no, this has too much of a Black/PoC perspective. Let’s bring in a white dude.” WTF?
ETA: Why is his Wiki page a mile long? Also, kudos to whoever put a mugshot of R. Kelly under the “Influences” section.
A lot of Euphoria is not glamorous imo. Or, if it is, it’s not a kind of glamor I can imagine lots of people want, lol.
Euphoria definitely does not glamorize drug addiction AT. ALL. Quite the opposite, actually,
Came here to say the same thing – IMO Euphoria does a fairly decent job in portraying drug addiction as horrific.
Hard pass. I watched two episodes of Euphoria, wanting to see what the hype was about, but the whole thing just makes me feel bad.
It’s definitely not a feel good show lol. I think it’s amazingly well done but I also understand people’s extreme discomfort with it. But alas, the depiction of largely unsupervised teenagers growing up WAY too fast is nothing new to Hollywood. Euphoria is basically just the movie “Kids” turned into a TV series–and “Kids” came out almost 30 years ago…
Yeah. I feel like watching that for a movie length is one thing, but buckling in for a whole series is just a little masochistic.
It is well done. Zendaya is bonkers level incredible in it. Most of the cast was outstanding, But I was incredibly uncomfortable when I saw S1. My kid was 8, and these teens were getting up to stuff that frightened me as a parent. I know sex and drugs have been a teen thing for decades, and I have no doubt that the depictions on the show were not far fetched for the 2020s or earlier. But it did make me squirm. And I think it was meant to. It had some very heavy themes. That isn’t comfortable.
I did stick it out and I do think it is a good show. I enjoyed so many of the characters and their journeys even if it was so heavy at times. But there are a lot of aspects of Euphoria that make me believe every word of the Rolling Stone article about this new series. And yeah, I am entirely over the glorification of rape. I read more of the RS article elsewhere with more details and the rape references are absolutely ridiculous and frankly, at the risk of feeling like a prude, the stuff I read almost sounds dangerous. In this day and age where men are trying to abduct women in the Stabucks drive thru, I don’t want to watch a show where the star is begging someone to abuse and rape her. FULL STOP.
I remember people defending Levinson in the comments when some of us expressed how disgusted we were by everything that was happening with Sydney Sweeney on screen.
I can’t imagine how he could come up with something worse than that, but I guess people will defend him because he is “making art and art is supposed to make you uncomfortable”.
I was confused about Sydney Sweeney. It seemed like Levinson would have happily had her fully naked in every scene no matter what they were doing. In school? Naked. At the RMV? Naked. At church? Again, naked.
And as much as we saw her boobs, apparently there would have been WAY more. But she said she wasn’t comfortable and he toned it down.
If I recall correctly, SHE came out and said how great he was to work with and that she felt totally comfortable declining nude scenes that she deemed to not be needed. And he obliged. So I felt weird about condemning him if SHE was cool with him. (But I still had that nagging thought in the back of my head that he would have her naked 24/7 if she didn’t have the guts to speak up. And that still feels really icky)
She wouldn’t be the first young actress to get naked on screen only to regret it years later after seeing the way her nudity was showed. How many girls thought they were being edgy, disruptive or even empowering when people tried to warn them that they were being exploited by a director, photographer, etc?
Anyone who knows a bit about how the world treats women could tell immediately that her character would be reduced to the hot girl who is always naked in the male gaze oriented tv show.
Knowing she was surprised when w4nkers took stills from those scenes and tagged her family members makes me think she didn’t think this through.
With the way this world is, those have never really been either/or things though. A young person from one or more groups that have been oppressed based on sexual morality really can be in the process of trying to find what’s right for them while some opportunistic person tries to make that all about their (often male, whether straight or queer) perspective. Or worse. Maybe later on the younger person will regret or see a need to tweak some things, and maybe they won’t, but as a culture our knee-jerk reaction to any regret or thing that goes wrong is to exploit those moments by using them to justify some pretty bad treatment of other people and call it helping them. We’ve got to learn to offer support to young women and young queer people without control, disrespect, and an unwillingness to examine our own biases, and accept the fact that having regrets is part of being human. Without pretending that the thing they’ve said no to or need to distance themselves from as some magical anti-abuse and anti-exploitation amulet.
Not surprised. Wasn’t excited for it since they announced Levinson was going to direct so gonna skip anyway.
Wtf too much female perspective? What does that even mean?
OMG that clip is so, SO bad. Yikes.
Also the tweet is SO embarrassing. Does Abel think that he was actually insulting Rolling Stone and wasn’t just reading a script? Does he think RS journalists are offended at an unreleased TV show line saying they are irrelevant? As if worse is not said about them daily on twitter.
A show on HBO is dialing the sex and nudity of vulnerable young women up to 11? With a less than empowering message about a toxic love affair?
The hell you say.
It must be Tuesday.
Levinson is a creep. Waiting for the expose on him.
Never forget, her hired Cherry because he subbed to her OnlyFans and ‘liked her work’.
He thinks whatever makes his dick twitch is art, and that edginess and misogyny are are worth exploring with no further comment.
Tesfaye told on himself so much with just one quote. Bye.
I am so thankful for the production member who is telling the truth about what is going down and for your reporting! Imagine not knowing. I hate when stuff like this happens and it’s only 5-10 years down the road that it’s discussed. If we could actually discuss it now and maybe change course I have no doubt that would be a good thing.
And…How many vibrant and amazing women are about to try to hold a raw egg with their dooda and we all know there is always a real risk with romanticizing violence. I love free speech but, damn. Kind of strange to boldly want to produce something like this. I swear it’s like reading The Onion.