One would think that a child being christened at home in Montecito – with her godfather Tyler Perry bringing a gospel choir – would be a good enough story on its own. Surely, it hits so many good-gossip buttons: a prince and his American bride, their two photogenic ginger children, a billionaire mogul godfather. Come on, that’s a great story. So of course Salt Island is ripping out their hair and wailing over… titles. It looks like Buckingham Palace is still openly briefing the media as well, probably because they know their cult of anti-Sussex monarchists can’t stand the fact that King Charles hasn’t found some way to abuse his grandchildren from afar. Charles tried to convince everyone for months that he could arbitrarily take Lilibet and Archie’s titles away because the titles had to be “earned.” Only the Sussexes reminded everyone that their kids were Princess Lilibet and Prince Archie the moment Charles became king. So here we are, with the palace briefing against the Sussexes yet again. From the Times:
The title dispute: The children have officially been allowed to use the titles since Elizabeth II’s death, under rules set out by George V in 1917. However, neither the palace nor the Sussexes have used the titles until now. The palace said it had been Harry and Meghan’s decision not to use the titles. A source said: “They would have been entitled as male-line grandchildren of the sovereign to use the titles, but their parents decided they did not wish them to be known as prince and princess.”
The palace thinks the kids won’t use the titles: It is understood the titles will be used in formal settings but not in everyday use by the couple. Harry and Meghan are understood to be keen to not deny their children their birthright, but to allow [them] to decide as adults whether to drop the titles.
Remember when Charles pretended he could take their titles away? The question of Archie and Lilibet’s titles has been a source of much confusion since the death of the late Queen. It was previously reported that the King had not decided whether to let them use their titles of prince and princess, which had heightened tensions with the Sussexes.
Harry & Meghan’s HRHs: Harry and Meghan have not been allowed to use their styles as His (or Her) Royal Highness since stepping down from royal duties. Now, Archie and Lilibet will not be HRHs. A palace source said: “The use of the style HRH would come through their father and the Duke of Sussex’s HRH is in abeyance.”
The palace was simply waiting for the Sussexes to make a move! The reaction of Buckingham Palace to the Sussexes’ announcement suggests that it had been waiting for Harry and Meghan to take a lead. A source said that the Sussexes had been entitled to use the titles since the King’s accession. Now that the Sussexes have confirmed the titles, the website would be updated “in due course”. At the time of the late Queen’s death and the King’s accession, a spokesman for the King pledged to update Archie and Lilibet’s names on the site “as and when we get information”.
This is the first we’re hearing about the Sussexes’ HRHs being “in abeyance.” I believe the palace is playing fast and loose on that issue – QEII never removed Harry and Meghan’s HRHs, but they “agreed” to simply not USE their HRH styles. Which is not the same thing as their HRHs being in abeyance. And no, I would not expect Archie and Lili to have HRHs. Who cares, they’re American kids. It’s funny to watch the palace try to do damage control and try to play both sides here, when Charles’s people have been trying to use the kids’ titles as a bargaining chip to manipulate Harry for MONTHS. Some of you believe this was Harry publicly challenging his father: now that we’re publicly referring to Lili and Archie as Princess and Prince, are you going to change the Letters Patent just to publicly deny titles to your mixed race grandchildren?
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More nonsense from BP. Andrew’s HRH is “in abeyance,” or not being used, yet Eugenie and Beatrice still use theirs (see any announcement of events they attend, announcements of their childrens’ births, etc). So there is no reason why Prince Archie and Princess Lilibet can’t be styled HRH even if their parents don’t use their own HRHs, unless I’m missing something?
There is no reason H&M can’t use theirs in the same way as B&E. B&E’s agreement was not to use them in business or to make money (what a joke with QE’s cousins writing books with HRH on them).
No reason why B&E can’t use theirs either..Michael of Kent and his nazi wife use theirs for books and Russian connected business deals.
The only real rule is, there are no rules. Everything changes on a whim then they try to justify it.
The Queen said in her official statement about Harry and Meghan stepping down that they retained their HRH’s but weren’t allowed to use them for business purposes, which is why they only use their Duke and Duchess of Sussex in their signatures. I wonder if the palace ‘source’ used the word ‘abeyance’ or if the royal reporter writing the article decided to toss that in?
BM and derangers are claiming Archie and Lili can’t use HRH because of this previously unstated ‘abeyance’ of parent’s use of HRH. Yet the same situation exists with Prince Andrew and his daughters, but Beatrice and Eugenie aren’t being stopped from using their HRH. Is it racism or anti-Americanism or anti-Hollywood (Meghan)?
The “poor dears.” Their racist hearts are desperate for something punitive to cling to.
That part because Archie and Lilibet are very much HRH. I just think that since their parents agreed not to use theirs, they won’t use them for the children. But archie and lili absolutely have them.
The whole hrh abeyance thing has nothing to do with the children’s birthright to titles as stated in the 1917 letters patent. The derangers are really just trying to find excuses for why the sussex children shouldn’t have titles. It hilarious bc they’re essentially arguing against the very idea of a monarchy and showing their white supremacist mentality. Harry can technically talk as much shit as he wants about the RF and he’ll still be a prince. Bc it’s his birthright. And it’s a monarchy based on birthright.
Basically, they are contradicting the very principles of monarchy. A born royal can’t be unborn, but they’re desperately searching for a way to de-royal Harry and, by extension, his children. Racist and gross.
Hilarious because the ONLY thing that makes you Royal is being born – ie your bloodline. If one title can be removed, ALL titles can be removed. They can’t have it both ways.
Every single bit of this. It’s the most satisfying thing to watch. They are going to get rid of the monarchy, all by themselves. Keep arguing that Harry, Meghan, Archie, and Lili don’t deserve to be anything as pristine as British royalty. I dare you.
I think this is just one more thing for Charles to use as punishment or control or whatever. Before it was the titles; now that H&M have claimed those titles for their children publicly its the use of HRH. but the LPs say nothing about the parents HRH. Just that grandchildren in the male line of the monarch are HRH Prince/ss.
Again I circle back to W&K – wonder if this is from them, so that their kids can have something “better” than Prince Archie and Princess Lilibet.
KP, W&K, and the derangers are desperate to have ONLY W&K’s kids be prince/princess and have HRH. No matter what the rules are and that the Sussex kids are both prince/princess and HRH by birth.
BP and the Wails make stuff up according to what suits them. The “rules” are apply to the little people, not the king or the heir…
I’ll say it again even though everyone already knows it, they have to be willfully ignorant to never have realized how much more intelligent Harry was than they ever acknowledged. He and his brilliantly inspiring wife have had these folks looking like the stupidest people alive without breaking a mental sweat. Well played H&M watching the palace melt down while you and you photogenic children live your lives unbothered…. Chef’s Kiss
Oh, they always knew Harry was intelligent. That was one of the problems. They knew he was smarter than them and they resented it. They were so threatened they tried to convince him he wasn’t smart.
Always trying to save face. But not knowing how and instead digging yourself into a deeper hole.
Exactly!! The Sussexes called bull sh*t on the titles having to be earned or them not wanting them. So now Chuckles needs to back pedal.
So, this is random. But I’ve been listening to spare sporadically when I’m in the car and yesterday this very issue and word came up in chapter 76. Harry is talking about the sandringham negotiations and he says he took part in drafting out a final statement that went out Jan. 18th, 2020, stating they agreed to step back and that their HRH titles would be in abeyance. So while I didn’t remember this detail Harry specifically references this in spare and I guess it was apart of the press release.
I don’t recall this being part of the press release from the Queen so she may have taken that part out….unless Charles views them just not being able to use for business purposes as being the same as being in abeyance.
Yeah it’s weird but Harry literally uses the word abeyance in that chapter. Perhaps that exact word didn’t end up getting used in the press statement? If it wasn’t and they’re using it now, I wonder if it’s bc they read Harry using that word in chapter 76! It would literally show that they’ve read that book v carefully.
These people are beyond petty and pathetic. They are not happy unless they can convince the public that they are somehow punishing the Sussex’s through their children! It is mind boggling that these are grown ass adults briefing and reporting against toddlers and actually gleeful about it. I’ve never been more disgusted in my life reading the mess they have made and continue to create. I really hope that Prince Harry gets the security reinstated and the rags loose the lawsuits, can’t happen soon enough imo.
They are so desperate for the mix raced royals to be othered and made less in some way. First it was they weren’t prince and princess. Once that’s gone its now the HRH debate. The Sussexes HRH is not in abeyance. The Queen specified in her statement addressing the Sussexes steeping down that the Sussexes were keeping their HRHs but would not use them. So Archie and Lily have HRH just like Andrew’s kids.
Like the Prince/Princess titles this is just another talking point the palace will not address directly and it will be allow to fester and be twisted even though the response is obvious.
The Palace is in mess. They’re still pretending as if Charles had a choice in the matter. Harry forced them to acknowledge Archie and Lili as Prince and Princess and I have no doubt that the Palace leaking that he and Meghan were kicked out of Frogmore emboldened Harry to make this move. This was Harry saying to Charles you took everything from me but you’re not talking my children’s birthright.
This is all so unnecessary. They listed Archie and Lili as prince and princess and that should be that. All this explanation and backtracking only makes them look stupid.
They’re so full of it. Honestly do they really think people will just accept anything they’ll put out?
Anyway, their “in due course” was bloody quick. Makes one wonder what was said.
I can’t imagine there is a rational person who would want to be called HRH in 2023 and taken seriously.
This again.
Yet again, the concern of H&M seems to be — and it’s an understandable one — that their children are not erased from, or diminished in, the existing system. Because plenty of people would like this to happen because of Prince Archie’s and Princess Lilibet’s racial makeup.
I don’t think anyone here is in the monarchy’s thrall or particularly enamored by royalty.
I hope Harry and Meghan raise those kids right that when it comes time for them to decide, they both decide to forgo the titles that are attached to this racist backwards institution. I hope they’re raised American with no understanding of titles and aristocracy. Not saying we are perfect bc there’s still class war here, but at least we don’t have to call anyone HRH or some b.s. title and curtsy simply bc their white ancestors were lucky enough to be given it bc they were ruthless enough to cozy up with the monarchy.
Hangonamin, I think they should be taught about the aristocracy. They will make informed decisions about how they want to be known when they are 18. The more information they have, the better the decision. Also, 18 is pretty young when you think of brain development. If they choose the titles, couldn’t they give them up when they are 25?
I wonder if BP was forced to acknowledge the titles. We just heard not so long ago that H&M hold all the cards with respect to the Chubbly: https://www.celebitchy.com/807053/the_sussexes_hold_the_upper_hand_either_way_if_they_attend_or_avoid_the_chubbly/
KC and QCC have decided to make their very first foreign visits to EU countries of all places, France and Germany. This, after the BRF had been touting the power of the Commonwealth post Brexit. Now, almost directly after H&M let People know that the royals were invited and did not attend what seems to have been a delayed christening, BP has clarified (sort of) Prince Archie’s and Princess Lilibet’s titles. I think BP had to “stop the bleeding.”
All I want to say is prince Archie and princess lili , I hope you are both having a wonderful day you Royal highnesses . Also prince Archie and princess lili, I hope you get your favorite snack today. I just want to keep finding ways to say prince Archie and princess lili. Not because I care about the monarchy but because I am petty and pissed on these two innocent children behalves that they were being denied what was rightfully theirs. So as Prince Archie and princess lili play in the sandbox today, I hope it’s great fun.
All I want to say is prince Archie and princess lili , I hope you are both having a wonderful day you Royal highnesses . Also prince Archie and princess lili, I hope you get your favorite snack today. I just want to keep finding ways to say prince Archie and princess lili. Not because I care about the monarchy but because I am petty and pissed on these two innocent children behalves that they were being denied what was rightfully theirs. So as Prince Archie and princess lili play in the sandbox today, I hope it’s great fun.
Until later Prince Archie and Princess Lili .
I think one reason HM are suddenly reminding BP that their children are formally and legally Prince Archie and Princess Lilibet is due to the ongoing issue of security. This is Harry reminding everyone in England who has decision making over whether or not his family will be allowed proper security that in addition to the Duke and Duchess of Sussex there are two smol royal children who are targets and if anyone attacks Prince Archie or Princess Lilibet it is also an attack against the Crown.
Doesn’t track. Beatrice and Eugenie are princesses, have HRH, and have no security.
They had security as minors, and later Andrew (really Elizabeth) was allowed to pay for their security.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/angry-prince-andrew-pay-three-778240
These rich people should all pay for their own security.
And Harry is suing to be able to pay his own money for adequate security. Because one of the courtiers lied to the group that decides security availability, and then it got publicized, and now the palace and the courier are on record as actively trying to keep PH from paying for security at the level his family needs, because….. no reason. Definitely not reading something that worked on Diana.
I can honestly say I have no idea what anyone is thinking in this fight from the age of feudalism.
When the Sussexes speak I know what they are thinking. When the English Windsors whisper-brief, I can infer what they want us to think.
I do believe it is straight up BS that there was no issue about the title from Chuck and the Soon Dead Crew side and it was always up to the Sussexes. Sure the Sussexes could have pulled the title plug and cause a huge PR war after Elizabeth’s death, but considering the crap the English Windsors were pulling and Prince Harry’s desire it make sense that they didn’t.
If Prince Harry pulled the lever on Prince Archie and Princess Lilibet’s title without “permission” from Chuck and the Soon Dead Crew I would assume all hopes of reconciliation is over and they aren’t going to the conanation.
Prince Harry might want to keep the counselor of state role and not going to the conanation might give the anti-Sussex camp “legitimate” reason to campaign to remove him.
I really think that Chuck and the Soon Dead Crew needs to not only pay the Sussexes back for the structural repair that wasn’t their financial responsibility, but also for the fitting and furnishings that they won’t have access to.
If Chuck wants to make that HRH abeyance nonsense stick he will have to pull the honorific from Beatrice and Eugenie. These clowns keep stepping on the rank and making things worse. They are trying to appease the upset royalist with this mess.
So, so many royal “experts” on social media showing their asses yesterday, trying to find ways to justify the palace’s double standard.
Whether it was the meaning of “abeyance” ( which is usually used when there is no rightful or eligible heir to a title – not the case here, obviously) or the rota members who kept pushing this idea of Charles somehow rewarding the children with a title they already had, to the derangers arguing that recognizing the Sussex children was a slap in the face to Kate and William (?). It was glorious to see🍿.
According to the letter patent, Prince Archie and Princess Lilibet are already HRH. If KFC wants to take that away, he needs to change the letter parent. It’s not rocket science people. Just read it. How silly of me. I’m not sure of the bm’s level of reading comprehension.