The Times: Queen Camilla, “how ‘the other woman’ won the game of thrones”

This is the cover for this weekend’s Sunday Times Magazine (the Times of London’s in-house weekend mag). Queen Camilla: How “the other woman” won the game of thrones. She “won” the game of thrones because she actively set out to destroy Charles and Diana’s marriage and paint Diana as too mentally imbalanced to be Charles’s wife. Then Diana died under still-mysterious circumstances, then Camilla spent decades carefully trying to rehabilitate her image at the expense of everyone and everything. If Roya Nikkhah is trying to remind everyone that Camilla is a ruthless operator, “toxic mistress” and immoral homewrecker who literally left bodies in the street, then congrats. The actual article is mostly quotes from people who know Camilla best – her staffers and one aristocratic senior, the Marchioness of Lansdowne, described as one of Camilla’s closest friends and someone who has never spoken on the record about Camilla. But truly, this piece was entirely spoon-fed to Nikkhah by Buckingham Palace as part of the ongoing Embiggening Camilla project ahead of Cam’s “victory lap” coronation. Some highlights:

Lady Lansdowne on how Camilla was “unprotected” after she destroyed two marriages: “She was out on her own without any protection. That was where we could help — she would come and stay with us with the children. I went and got her out of Middlewick one day, there were cameras up against all her windows. But she is resilient, she was brought up with this extraordinary sense of duty where you got on with it, don’t whinge, put your best face on and keep going, and it has stood her in very good stead. It was horrible at times, but her sense of humour and knowing she had her girlfriends around her got her through.”

Camilla was never pelted with bread, but she’d never correct that urban myth, except she’s doing just that: Camilla never sought to strike this urban myth from the record. Why? Because long before she “married into” the royal family, Camilla stuck fast to their mantra of “never complain, never explain”.

She’s still tight with her first husband: “Everybody loves Andrew, he’s a real charmer, but he’s always terribly misbehaving. Andrew will ring her up and tell her when she’s got something wrong and she’ll ring him up and say when he’s misbehaving. Through adversity they’ve kept a really good family ethic. It helps with their children and grandchildren.”

What a strange story: In 2007 Princes William and Harry invited Camilla to a memorial service for their mother at the Guards’ Chapel at Wellington Barracks in London marking the tenth anniversary of her death. Courtiers punched the air at the breakthrough — but Camilla pushed back. “It was the one time we really disagreed,” a former aide says. “I was thinking like a PR guy — ‘Wow, they invited her, big moment.’ But she stepped back and saw it in the bigger frame. Her instinct was not to go, she felt it would be a distraction. She would be part of the focus when it should all have been on the memory of the princess. She was right.”

When QEII said, last year, that Camilla should be Queen Consort: Camilla said she was “honoured” and “touched”, but a source who knows her well says, “I genuinely don’t think she was ever that bothered by the title.” Payne agrees: “Despite the many people who stated over the years that ‘Project Queen Camilla’ was a long-held goal within the household, there was never any great master plan. Whenever you mentioned the topic with the Queen Consort herself, she merely stared at you sphinx-like, giving you no real sense of what she thought. She never instructed me to do anything to advance the argument. It was never a role that she actively campaigned for.”

The Parker-Bowles coronation: Camilla had strong views on including her teenage grandchildren in the ceremony, who have previously stayed out of the spotlight. They will help carry her train, reflecting that the monarchy is a blended family. “It was a big decision, but it’s so much more fun to have them there by her side,” Lansdowne says, adding that the Queen has been firm on the guest list: “She is fiercely loyal to friends and that will be reflected in who goes to the big day. She wants to be loyal to the people who’ve stood by her.”

Smooth operator: Those who see Camilla in action behind closed doors concede that, underneath her cosy public image, she is an “operator” who navigates the royal court as if she was born to it. She is known by some in royal household circles as “the lady boss” and, as one source says, “She can be steely as f***. She would have made a brilliant 16th-century courtier, because she’s canny.”

Camilla’s approach to the press: “She’s been smart and set out to win them over, including her critics, and she achieved it, not with sly tricks, just by taking an interest in their lives and being at ease with them in a way other members of the family aren’t. She was always more like a politician, thinking, ‘How do I make this work for me?’”

How Camilla reacted to Prince Harry’s Spare: After Spare was published in January, there were reports that Charles felt a “red line” had been crossed by Harry attacking his “darling wife”. But how did these new slings and arrows land with the Queen? “It was not stamping of feet or gnashing of teeth, it was much more of an eye-roll response,” an aide says. “Of course it bothers her, of course it hurts,” Lansdowne says. “But she doesn’t let it get to her. Her philosophy is always, ‘Don’t make a thing of it and it will settle down — least said, soonest mended.’”

[From The Times]

If you believe any part of this, I will sell you London Bridge for a good price. It’s not enough that Camilla is a sly media operator who regularly sells out everyone for just a whiff of good press for herself. It’s that she doesn’t want that to be her image!! The “oh, who me? I never wanted to be queen!” sh-t is getting on my last nerve. Camilla has fully participated at every step of this now thirty-year campaign to vanquish Diana, rehabilitate her image and win the game of thrones. As for the stuff about Harry… man, there must have been panic at the palace. That’s what all of this telegraphs – not so much a victory lap as a frantic PR pushback on Harry calling her out for being so manipulative.

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  1. LW says:

    Someone on twitter brilliantly said, just the the other brother, they’re not even the main characters in their own stories.

    How pathetic.

    • Geegee says:

      Man everything I see this old vipers smile the song cruelly de vile pops in my head and stays there.

      • Grandma Susan says:

        Cowmilla doesn’t really have a smile. Her upper lip just peels back from her teeth – just the way a dog snarls.

    • B says:

      So true @LW. That tweet was brilliant. Always the other brother, the other woman never the main characters in their own stories.

      Even sadder they are constantly obsessed with destroying the main character.

  2. Tessa says:

    That is truly a scary cover picture she in one of her worst outfits with yellow background. This is too cloying with camilla playing saint and victim. She honestly was going to the Diana memorial service but there was too much public outcry.

    • Amy Bee says:

      Yeah the way I understand it was Camilla only backed out of the memorial service because of the public outcry. That she thought it was a good idea to go means she’s has no scruples and is an awful person.

    • Eurydice says:

      Lol about the cover picture. I just showed it to my mother who said Camilla looks like she’s play-acting Queen for a costume party.

    • notasugarhere says:

      It is a strange fashion look for her. The shape is what we’re used to from her, but the silver on black is too much. If she’d had this made in cream with silver embroidery? It would have fit her usual style – which is her own version of QEII and Queen Mum cosplay.

    • Lucy says:

      Also, this seems to be the only time they can think of where she really had amazing pr instincts? There’s been nothing else in the past 15 years? Also, who would’ve brought this up now? Shady to dig up her attempt at going to Diana’s thing.

  3. Tessa says:

    Camilla needs to stop the hearts and flowers about being hurt by Harry book. She hurt his wife and his mother. And gaslit his mother. She pals around with Clarkson who wrote the disgusting article about Meghan and made fun of Meghan holding her baby bump. Camilla has no shame. She and Charles are two of a kind. She also should leave her first husband out of it.

    • Seaflower says:

      +1

    • CrazyHeCallsMe says:

      And before Spare was published, there was article after article about how Harry best not say mean things about Camilla. The palace was on edge about what Harry would reveal about Camilla in Spare.

  4. MsIam says:

    I will always remember Diana’s interview when Martin Bashir asked her about becoming queen and she said no, she wanted to be queen of peoples hearts. Well she sure is! I doubt Crocmilla will ever accomplish that but she probably tells herself she doesn’t care. But we know deep down she really does care or she wouldn’t be working so hard to vanquish all her enemies. She and Charles deserve each other.

  5. Angie says:

    Sure she may have won the UK but on the global scale Harry has won. Harry has to know they didn’t want Meghan and his children at the CoronationSoWhite because it would take the focus off of her family. In essence Charles discarded his 2nd son’s family for hers.

    • Tessa says:

      Camilla lost. The,spin for her is laid on too thick

      • Goldenkatz says:

        I agree with this take. The British media cannot turn her into a hero now. Those old enough remember what she did to Diana. And the rest have either read Spare or are indifferent. I’d say her popularity is on par with Charles. Which isn’t much.

      • SURE says:

        That C still requires PR spin suggests she hasn’t won the hearts and minds of the general public.

      • Nicki says:

        Exactly this.

      • Tacky says:

        She has the crown, the jewels, the money, and the palaces. She definitely won because that is what she wanted.

      • Ang says:

        I agree with Tacky. Bitch won what she sought: Charles, the crown, and her dynasty secured.

      • Bee says:

        Yes, and it’s all in the headline. Camilla won the game of thrones. How do you win the game of thrones? By leaving bodies in the street.

        Clearly, this article was written By Order of Her Majesty QC Camilla. But she forgot to dictate the headline. Oops.

    • Julia says:

      I’m British and don’t feel she has won the UK. She has won over the press but the map of people I know either dislike her or tolerate her. She is not liked. One false move and the public will turn on her.

      • Genna says:

        Yes , I’m from the UK too and majority of people do NOT like her ! She has no Shame what’s so ever , and the BM love to smother her all over the press ! People do not forgot what she had done to Diana , and she will have her karma !

      • Well Wisher says:

        Perfectly acceptable notion. There would be no need for this ‘puff’ piece.

      • Nicky says:

        @Julia
        How many false moves does she need to make? She groomed a teenager, wrecked a marriage, married the scoundrel, drove the king’s son out if the country along with his wife and children, brazenly appeared with gutter hacks and other presenters and actors, I could go on. Nothing will happen to her. Lots of hacks getting gongs for lies.

        I hate her but I despise Charles for his wickedness.

        May bad luck follow him and her into the grave.

        THAT’S why he wants a new carriage it will probably be bullet-proof. I won’t be watching, not even to see Harry. I’m done with King Clown. Britain is fckd.

    • Flower says:

      She hasn’t won’t the UK.

      The UK right wing media just print that to gas-light the dumber members of the UK populous via their propaganda into thinking that is the hymn sheet we’re singing from now.

      This is where we are now as a country and its sad.

    • Original penguin says:

      Camilla hasn’t won the Uk. The most unpopular thing that Charles is doing is the promotion of Camilla. Diana still has great popularity and I think the PR gloss post Chuck and Cam wedding has slipped especially with Spare.

      The crowning of Camilla maybe the shot heard around the world leading to the fall of the BRF

  6. equality says:

    “They’ve kept a really good family ethic”? Seriously? And, of course, she didn’t explain: she thinks she is above explaining to the public and how do you explain what she did? If H&W invited her to a Diana memorial, it was probably done as a challenge or sarcastically and not because they actually wanted her there or thought so highly of her.

    • Tessa says:

      Charles wanted her there he used his sons to take credit for the invite.

      • SarahCS says:

        Harry has been very open that some statements ‘by’ him were anything but. We know that for definite now.

    • Gabby says:

      @Tessa, are you saying that Charles was at the Diana memorial? Jesus. He had no business being there either.

      • Tessa says:

        He was. I thought he should have stayed home with Camilla. In an example of his trying to control things, he was shown on camera asking Harry to look at the speech about Diana (an excellent speech that Harry wrote) before the service. He may have been ready to “edit” it.

  7. Seaflower says:

    That subtitle on the front cover of the magazine would have to send shivers of panic through Kkkate ans CarolE.

    • pottymouthpup says:

      well the Mids have their own huge embiggenning campaign out in the Daily Mail covering a historian’s claim that “the Princess of Wales’s great-great-great-great-great-aunt, Norfolk-born Harriet Martineau, became known as ‘the greatest American abolitionist’ after fighting a lifelong battle to abolish slavery and racism in the U.S.” which, side from being an astounding statement on it’s own, is being used to imply that Kate can’t possibly be a racist herself

      • BeanieBean says:

        OMG, those British tabloid writers never have had a good grasp on logic! I did a quick google search on Harriet Martineau–because I had never heard of her–and she seems pretty interesting, although hardly an American abolitionist. She was an influential English writer & sociologist who spent a couple of years in the US & wrote about what she experienced. I’d like to read more about her & more by her. Trying to tie Kate to her accomplishments, though, is ludicrous, as is the ‘she can’t be racist because some far-distant-past relation once wrote a book on what she saw in the US in the 1830s’.

      • Saucy&Sassy says:

        What I’ve read is that Harriet Martineau came to the US in 1834 and stayed for tw years. She was a writer. Both sides wanted her on their side and she sided with the abolitionist, which got her death threats. She went back shortly thereafter. She continued to write about slavery in the US as an abolitionist.

        What I find interesting is why didn’t Harriet Martineau ever challenge the fact that the British Monarchy was responsible for a lot of the people enslaved in the US? It seems she kept the Brits out of it. That doesn’t mean she didn’t contribute to the abolitionists, but she wasn’t the greatest abolitionist in history. Please.

      • kirk says:

        So that’s why I’m seeing Twitter references and pix of Karriet Tubman of Wales holding a rifle in front of a log cabin? 😂
        Is Middlin Kitty diving into her ancestry to rid the world of the idea that she could possibly be racist?
        Holy leaps of logic.

      • BQM says:

        The only thing that article did was a) make me want to learn more about Harriet and b) laugh myself silly at the thought that such a distant relative—not even an ancestor—could somehow transfer their positive attributes to Kate. I mean, wtf? 😂

        It reminded me of trump saying he was so smart and great at science because his uncle was a scientist.

    • SussexFan says:

      Shit is about to go wrong with all of the people involved. If any crowns or other regal paraphernalia fall off carriages or cars, this reign is done.

  8. Hail says:

    I see they’ve quoted Julian Payne in the article 🤔 The same Julian Payne who quit working for Charles and Camilla after squaddies called him out for liking shady sexual tweets about Meghan?

  9. Eurydice says:

    La, la, la, I destroyed your mother’s life, least said soonest mended, la, la, la.

    • ML says:

      Over “least said, soonest mended,” Camzilla uses the press to broadcast her opinions. They may not be attributed to her directly (ie, it’s not Camilla “said”), but what she wants known gets out. Frequently. So she can stand off to the side and keep out of the splash back.

      • Kingston says:

        Her proxies are not even pretending that they don’t exist. Theyre loudly & boldly telling us that receive her “instructions” and do her bidding in her endless PR campaign.

        As the Lansdowne creature quoted in these excerpts said: “She never instructed me to advance that argument.”

        The ‘argument’ in this case being the one about her not caring how she’s styled i:e queen/queen consort.
        But that’s not even my point. Focus on the word “instructed.”

        It begs the question: just how many cowmilla foot soldiers over the years, hv been “instructed” by cowmilla…..both inside and outside the britshidtmedia.

        There they go, telling on themselves. Again.

      • BeanieBean says:

        @Kingston: I noticed that use of the word, ‘instructed’, too. It confused me for a bit, I thought that one of Cam’s PR people was talking to the writer but no, it’s that Lady Lansdowne person. Very telling.

      • Bklne says:

        @Kingston and BeanieBean:

        Methinks the Lady Lansdowne doth protest too much!

      • BQM says:

        The marchioness was apparently the Other Woman herself. In the 80s, Fiona was in charge of decorating Boxwood, the home of her future husband Charles and his then wife Frances. They divorced in ‘87 and then Charles wed Fiona.

        Side note: the landsdowne history is interesting and full of tragedy.

      • BQM says:

        The marquess of lansdowne is also first cousin twice removed, to Harry lopes Camilla’s SIL.

        Violet Elliot Murray Kynynmound is the grandmother of the marquess by her first marriage. She’s Harry lopes great great grandmother through her second to John Astor, Baron Astor. Harry is Gavin Astor’s grandson through his daughter Sarah. The current Baron Astor is Harry’s uncle.

        Harry Lopes’s bloodline is crazy blue. Better than Camilla’s for sure!

  10. Amy Bee says:

    Reading the piece convinced me that she leaked the information about Michael Fawcett to get rid of him. Roya Nikkhah’s intention was to make Camilla look good but all she’s done is confirm everything that Harry said in his book about Camilla.

    • ML says:

      I’m also convinced she leaks frequently to the press. Tobin Andreae (DF among others) is the Comms mouthpiece who was chosen by Camzilla for a reason. What I do not know is if Roya Nikkah was forced to write this article as it seems to prove the opposite of what it’s supposedly saying, or if she believes what she wrote.

      • Amy Bee says:

        I think it’s been established for long time now that Camilla has always leaked stories to the press. That’s why she’s many of the Royal rota’s favourite royal.

  11. Tessa says:

    She is called the other woman. That says it all. Saying she won does not make it so.

    • Eurydice says:

      And “Game of Thrones” is one long trail of dead bodies – this doesn’t sound like a compliment to me.

      • SophieJara says:

        That was my first thought too. You guys are… proud? Of being like Game of Thrones? Because you 100% are like that, just a weird brag for your magazine cover.

      • Well Wisher says:

        The irony, the insult towards Meghan was explained as “Game of Thrones”. I cannot have a proper context because I did not view the series.

    • Seraphina says:

      I agree that the title and the reference to GoT is shady and I really wish the media would stop and just tell it like it is.

      • Cecile730 says:

        Well they’re telling us what she has done…GOT’s reference tell us that she more than others is responsible for Diana’s death.

      • Julie says:

        Game of Thrones.

        Jeremy Clarkson references Cersei to threaten violence against Meghan.

        If anyone needs Shame! hurled at them, it’s Charles and Cam.

        Nice going! Reminds me of Cam’s bestie and her unworthiness.

      • JustMe says:

        Man, that is one homely woman!

    • AmyB says:

      The GoT reference is simply – the most ruthless, lying, backstabbing, cunning Machiavellian character wins. Most of the main characters were killed in their quest for the throne, betraying and murdering along the way. This reference is shady AF lol

      Don’t know why anyone would consider it a compliment.

  12. Joanne says:

    Charles and Camilla are the epitome of lipstick on a pig.

  13. Noor says:

    Wondering whether there are rules or protocol for upgrading the intended Princess Consort to Queen Consort . Should the Church and the Prime Minister be consulted. It would appear to be based purely on Queen Elizabeth’s opinion.
    For a modern and slimmed down constitutional monarchy the rank of Princess Consort is more relevant then calling the King’s spouse a Queen Consort which is the medieval title

    • Pumpkin (Was Sofia) says:

      “Princess Consort” is not a real title. It has never been used and if it was, there would have to be a brand new letters patent etc etc. Queen however is and there is no one to consult or ask because the title is automatic upon the heir becoming King.

    • Gruey says:

      Was wondering this myself. Was trying to explain some of this to my husband and I realized I have no idea of the history of how married ins lose the “consort”.

      • Renae says:

        I just exchange the word ‘consort’ to ‘Concubine. Works well for me.

      • harpervalleypta says:

        From a biography of Queen Mary, Queen Alexandra (her MIL and wife of Edward VII) was the first to drop “consort”

        She had waited for so long for Victoria to die, that when she finally became Queen Consort, she said she deserved to be called “Queen”. And every queen consort who followed did the same.

      • Tessa says:

        Poor Alexandra had to deal with Edward s mistresses including alice K pep el Camilla great grand mother

    • notasugarhere says:

      ‘Intended’? It didn’t matter what Charles said at any time – the laws were never changed. Parliament and the People had the chance to change things anytime after Charles and Camilla married in 2005. They chose not to change the laws. Camilla automatically became Queen (Consort) the second QEII died. The Coronation means nothing and changes nothing.

      The Succession to the Crown Act (2013) was the best chance and it wasn’t taken. One MP suggested that, in addition to changing the line of succession to be gender neutral, any future consort should be styled ‘Prince Consort’ or ‘Princess Consort’. He was smacked down.

  14. MsIam says:

    Just wanted to add, if I were Crocmilla I don’t know how much I would appreciate being called the “other woman” queen. Always the reminder that she is the interloper. Maybe they will inscribe that on her tombstone.

  15. Jais says:

    She is fiercely loyal to friends. Yeah, all I could think about was that she’s friends with Jeremy Clarkson. The RF was never going to say a word about that article. Personally, I think he had a boozy conversation w Camilla at that luncheon and then he just wrote down what they talked about.

  16. ML says:

    “Those who see Camilla in action behind closed doors concede that, underneath her cosy public image, …”
    Literally no one I know thinks that Camilla has a cosy public image. Nobody.

    • kelleybelle says:

      And she hasn’t won shit except for the revulsion of the British people. Vile, inside and out.

      • Amy Bee says:

        I’d say her becoming Queen despite the protestations of the public and Charles’s own sons means she’s won.

      • Tessa says:

        What charles wants charles gets. I am not surprised at the outcome. Charles spent a lot of money on her spin.

      • kelleybelle says:

        @ Amy: But what has she really won if everyone hates her?

      • Amy Bee says:

        @Kelley: She’s Queen it doesn’t matter if “everybody” hates her. She has the press on her side and that’s all that matters.

      • Eurydice says:

        Depends on the game. If the game is to hang onto Charles like a limpet and stab everyone else in the back until Elizabeth dies and he’s made king, then Camilla has won. If the game is to be loved by the UK and the world, then she was disqualified from the very beginning.

      • windyriver says:

        I think the game has always been to secure maximum financial advantage for her family, which she’s already done to a significant extent (e.g, her past expenses being paid, reported trust funds for her kids), and to gain other perks, which she’s clearly working on, the way her family have been tipped for significant positions at the Chubbly. I doubt if she ever really cared all that much about being beloved by the populace, that’s something Charles wanted/wants. She wanted to be “beloved” or, at least, not despised, enough to be acceptable as Charles’ wife, and ultimately queen, which she achieved. I wonder how deeply she really cares about Charles (based on what a putz he can be – remember his behavior towards her during Pengate #2?). At this point we know very well that none of these highly privileged people consider marriage a barrier to doing whatever they want, when they want, with whoever they want.

    • SURE says:

      The campaign to rehabilitate her image indicates to me that she does care about being popular/accepted. I also think that she cultivated her many friendships with media players (Clarkson, Greig, Morgan, Dench, Harmsworth et al) for this reason. It’s very convenient that many of these people have gone on the record to extol her “virtues” while others (Morgan) have trashed D’s reputation. I can’t help but feel that she cares about her popularity because she’s still jealous of D. She probably hates H for continually bringing D into the public discourse.

  17. The Duchess says:

    Keen, you in danger, girl.

    • Tessa says:

      Keen is too vapid. She should not have treated Meghan so badly and been a mean girl. She could have had an ally and friend in meghan.

    • TeamMeg says:

      Why is Keen in danger? Charles won’t live forever. When he dies, Kate (if not divorced) gets Queen or QC and Cams becomes…what? Dowager Consort?

      • CrazyHeCallsMe says:

        That’s assuming Kate makes it to being Queen. Sidepiece has shown Willy that wives can be replaced. So if Willy is so inclined, do what Daddy did and replace Kate. It would definitely be an upgrade for Willy to find someone more suitable than Kate for the role of Queen.

    • notasugarhere says:

      Keen, Carol(E), Uncle Gary, and the entire Middleton/Goldsmith PR machine is in danger.

      *If* William has sided firmly with Charles and Camilla against Kate? He gets to set Kate aside at Adelaide Cottage, publicly separate in a year or two, eventually divorce, and get Wife #2 accepted as Queen Consort.

      • Cecile730 says:

        Could happen but I don’t think Keen will let it happen silently. She litterally sold herself for the Queen place and will do anything to stop it. Honestly I don’t see a divorce that will not turn very very ugly.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Kate and Midds aren’t in charge here. Charles, Camilla, and William are.

        No matter what dirt the Midds *think* they have on William? It is nothing in comparison to everything the BRF and the UK govt have on the Midds, the shady offshore business, where they money really came from, Uncle Gary’s wife beating, Uncle hookers and blows ‘businesses’, everything they did to drive out Harry and Meghan, all of it.

        The Tatler article was a sample of what could happen if Kate/Midds don’t go quietly.

      • Lee says:

        I don’t even care about a Wales divorce, won’t change anything for me, the BRF in its current form needs to be abolished or watered down somehow, who the actors choose to marry or sleep with is irrelevant.

    • Angie says:

      I don’t think Keen is in danger. I believe she is working with C. Whispering in the other brother ear to keep the division ongoing.His jealousy is keeping him from what is really going on. He is too proud to admit what he did to H was wrong.

      • Cecile730 says:

        I do not doubt that Keen worked with Cashmilla but now…C don’t need Kkkhate anymore and is coming for her. Divorce will be ugly but I don’t see it happening more likely an accident or something like that if Charlie is in charge. That guy used a cane on George (his first grandchild), he definitively do not like her or the Mids and won’t tolerate them more than necessary.

  18. Lady Digby says:

    I have been sadly musing on what Diana would have thought of Cuckoo Cam being Crowned and yes many fellow Brits like myself haven’t forgotten how she was ill treated by C and C. Charles and BRM may be in bed with Cam but a lot of us really don’t like her conniving ways. She is strategic leaker in chief but her power comes solely from KC. Unlike of William, she is loved and has the full support of her consort. But if she outlives KW then it is she who will be banished and won’t be known as the Queen Stepmother. H has always had her number but at the moment she has outplayed both PoW. QC still knows far too much about them and can blab to her media mates so maybe she’ll even secure a cushy situation post KC? In the photo above both KC and QC look like pensioner vampires off to bite more necks!!

    • SURE says:

      C might know some secrets about other members of the RF but I’m guessing they in turn know some unflattering secrets about C. I wish some of them would leak these secrets just before the conAnation.

  19. Gruey says:

    One of the funniest things about all this is how much Kate’s “kween in training” PR is just absolutely demolished. All that never-put-a-foot bs counts for jack crap and honestly distracted everyone from the nasty reality that queen gin-breath side-piece was coming to fart all over the monarchy. This thot is really succeeding the beloved Lizzy 2. I mean, couldn’t happen to a better institution 🤣🤣

    • Christine says:

      Exactly. While the British media is shrieking about Harry and Meghan destroying the monarchy, they failed to recognize who their queen is now. The monarchy was dissolving before Harry and Meghan were even born, and they just need to look at who is standing next to Chuck to connect the dots.

  20. Feebee says:

    First rule of lying in this way is that it has to be believable. The further it read the worst it got. Incredible work of fiction.

  21. Tessa says:

    Imo This is disrespectful to the late princess diana with the articles author saying Camilla won. Diana had royal children camilla did not. Diana is dead and gone for many years now and the premise that Camilla won is tactless and tacky. Diana also of course has children and grandchildren around. Camilla lost.

  22. Angelica Schuyler says:

    When I first saw that Times cover on Twitter, I thought it was a parody. I was laughing at the ridiculousness until I realized that was the real actual cover….. She’s such a disgrace. There is nothing she can ever do to erase the memory of Diana. She should really stop. Even from the grave Diana still outshines her. She’s still the Queen of People’s Hearts and that is something that Camilla can never erase, and will never achieve in spite of her decades of machinations.

    • Bubblegum Dreams says:

      It’s not for lack of trying though. Her desperate attempts at erasing and outshining even the memory of a Diana is pathetic. She has won nothing. Even in death Diana still haunts her very existence.
      Trying to claim Paris for herself. Karma slapped her and her tampon down so hard, their ears are still ringing.

  23. Brassy Rebel says:

    With just a few weeks to go until the con-a-nation, who thought it was a good idea to do a big, glossy Sunday magazine spread which openly refers to the about to be crowned “queen” as “the other woman”? I did not have “Let’s remind everyone how they screwed Diana!” on my royal media bingo card.

    • SarahCS says:

      There does seem to be a bit of a thread through a lot of the coverage. Almost in the ‘damning with faint praise’ territory. They fawn and embiggen on the surface but they also happily remind people about the nasty stuff too.

      • Eurydice says:

        Camilla might have some friends at the tabloids, but money will always be more important to them than friendship. A Diana/Camilla war will always sell, no matter that Diana’s been dead for 25 years.

    • BeanieBean says:

      Wild, ain’t it! Woohoo, buckle up baby!

  24. Snuffles says:

    Spin until you’re blue in the face, Camilla is still just an adulterous, gaslighting whore who has destroyed countless lives in her pursuit of white washing her sins.

  25. K8erade says:

    I doubt even the British public believes this nonsense. Nobody would be invoking Diana’s name to this day if Camilla had truly won.

  26. MSTJ says:

    The profile of her reinforces everything Harry said about her.

    She has been working with the tabloids for years to be crowned Queen and there are sacrificial bodies left behind on her personal PR path to rebuild her reputation and achieve he crowning objective. “Whenever you mentioned the topic with the Queen Consort herself, she merely stared at you sphinx-like, giving you no real sense of what she thought.”

    Sad that Princess Diana, Harry and Meghan are victims of “canny” Camilla’s agenda. I pray for the Sussex’s success away from the institution.

  27. Cathy says:

    Side pieces and mean girls destinated to be Queen Consort. But all the articles proclaiming they are good people makes me think of Shakespeare…
    “Me thinks the lady doth protest too much”

  28. HeyKay says:

    Karma should come for this witch, ASAP.

  29. LB says:

    Diana ultimately “won”. She knew she would not be queen. She knew she was in danger. She didn’t care. People globally still love her. Her charitable works endure. She is still a fashion icon. A generation not alive during her lifetime still knows who she is and what she was about. She also won through Harry and Meghan. C&C are tolerated at best & low in popularity. Camilla can sit back in her stolen jewels and enjoy her hollow victory. Also, that Times mag photo of Camilla just screams movie villain.

  30. aquarius64 says:

    @Julia and other CB Brits: you should see how Twitter reacted to this story. She is still Queen Concubine, Queen Sidepiece (mistress), #Camillaisahomewrecker. She’s the reincarnation of Anne Boleyn. This article shows Operation Image Rehab led by Charles has not work and Harry’s book Spare took a wrecking ball to the attempt. That’s why the push for Harry’s attendance to the Con-a-Nation: a way to blunt what Harry said. I still think Harry is forced to go: Cam thorough Chuck threatened the children (take their titles away). Look at the announcements for Harry to come : BP, it is delighted that the Duke of Sussex will attend the Coronation Service…. Sussex spokesperson: the Duke of Sussex will attend the coronation service… Look at the tone of both announcements.

    Also Cam is called Queen of Tarts on Twitter.

    • Nic919 says:

      The Twitter thread under that Times story is full of gifs of Diana. The roasting is hilarious.

  31. Beverley says:

    Camilla is a drunken whore, a clinging side-piece, a home wrecker, and an evil bitch. The holy oil will probably burn a hole in her forehead! I hope Diana makes her trip and fall flat on her face during the #CoronationSoWhite.

    • Blithe says:

      Ahhh! So I might not be the only one who’s wondering what’s going to happen at the anointing. I’m half-expecting a flash of lightning, the sounds of sizzling, and more than a few whiffs of brimstone. I can’t wait to check out the Celebitchy reports and updates!

      • MSTJ says:

        They don’t plan on televising the anointing….at least that the latest reporting. I guess the cameras 🎥 will pan away to a view of the audience for that section.
        I think they may be concerned about something going wrong as they pour the oil on her 🤨
        I’ll wait to read all about it on this forum after the event.

      • notasugarhere says:

        They didn’t televise the anointing of QEII either; she was concealed under a canopy.

    • Acclaim says:

      OMG, the visual of this made me laugh heartily!

  32. Selene says:

    That whole “least said, soonest mended” is so dumb and dangerous. That’s why they all have that internal warfare and stunted emotional growth, and why they’re baffled that Harry spoke.

    Also, Camilla wasn’t a victim of anything. She merely survived the consequences of her actions.

    • Paulkid says:

      She only “won” because he has always been lost. Tragic and gross.

      • Ashley says:

        There is no “win or lose” here. Diana & Charles were INCOMPATIBLE, the marriage would have never worked long-term.

        If Diana were still alive, she may have re-married and other children. There is no way to know what would have happened if Paris wasn’t fatal.

  33. Ashley says:

    Charles, Diana, Andrew Parker-Boles, and Camilla all cheated. The situation was a mess and hurt many people.

    Charles made the decision to have an affair with Camilla. No one forced him.

    Stop blaming a woman for a man’s decision.

    • MsIam says:

      And no one forced Crocmilla to cheat on her husband and be at Charles’ beck and call. And how did you conclude Charles is escaping blame? People are upset at this attempt to rewrite history. Including your “everyone cheated” spin. And Crocmilla was not just some fling, she basically took over Diana’s place at Highgrove, hosting parties for Charles. Planting stories in the press about Diana. What kind of bitch does that? But she and Charles deserve each other for sure.

      • Dhianna says:

        As the old saying goes….sleep with dogs you will end up with fleas. To each their own. js

      • Mary Pester says:

        @Msiam hell yes they deserve each other, and judging by the press today, they have put the nail in the monarchy and it’s future. I’m sure @Kaiser will write about it, but those lazy arse Royals are being called out BIG TIME

      • Nick G says:

        @Msiam I remember stories of Camilla boasting about how well “her” tomatoes or something were coming along, in Highgrove’s garden, while Diana and Charles were still married. Complete trash.

    • Tessa says:

      Diana went into the marriage in good faith. Camilla was married to Andrew Parker Bowles the man of her choice and also mistress to prince of Wales. Diana only moved on after Charles ditched her after she had the heirs for him. They all cheated statement overlooks the complexities. Diana was barely out of her teens when she married Charles not a level playing field.

    • Sms says:

      Thank you for inserting some reality into this conversation. All of them cheated, all of them broke up marriages, Charles and Camilla broke theirs, Diane broke up Will Carling and his wife and the serial adulterer Andrew PB probably broke up many. It’s hard to get invested in the woes of such over privileged people. I think I’ll save my sympathy for the sick and hungry.

      • Tessa says:

        Sms Diana did not break up the darlings. Carling denied an affair and Julia did not name Diana co respondent . Even penny wrote there was no affair and penny can’t stand Diana. Andrew was not named as co respondent. He got married to a woman he was serious about after the divorce. Invoking the carling story does not absolve c and c. Diana was not going to be head of the church charles is now head of the church.and she was estranged from Charles when she moved on. Charles was in touch with camilla the whole time. He was involved with other women including Janet Jenkins. Diana was only 23 when Charles ditched. Her she later told Camilla i want my husband .

      • notasugarhere says:

        Hmmm. Where did my post go?

        Surprise. Many of the negative things written about Diana were true.

        The Carlings chose to not name Diana in court – because everyone knew the most famous woman in the world was the main reason for the divorce.

        Diana repeatedly targeted married men for her affairs. She relied on psychics instead of therapists. She made hundreds of nuisance calls to one of her lovers. She had a multi-year affair with a man who looked just like her father (Hewitt). That choice has caused Harry life-long trauma.

        The Church of England was founded by a randy king who wanted to dump his wife and marry his mistress. It is not a bastion of morality.

      • Tessa says:

        NotAsugar . Carling said there was no affair. I think Julia had no leg to stand on if there was any evidence she would have named Diana co respondent. Harry was 2 when Diana started the affair with Hewitt. He reiterated that in his book. The trauma was caused by the Diana bashers who wanted to help Charles. Imo. The trauma was caused by Charles cutting Diana loose. Diana is criticized for moving on while Charles spinners create the great l o v e spin
        Diana was involved with single men Hewitt. Khan. And do d I. Diana was never named correspondent. Diana was not going to join a convent and take vows. Charles did not hide his contempt for her as the years wore on. Will does the same thing but Kate hangs in there.

        Diana was brought in to provide heirs. Charles should have been honest with her so she could back out before he proposed. She wanted a marriage he wanted heirs.

      • Tessa says:

        Harry looks more like Charles than William and he resembles grandfather philip. Harry dealt with the rumors in the book . Harry was 2 when Diana and Hewitt got involved. The trauma was caused by Charles sympathizers and friends
        Not diana.

      • notasugarhere says:

        No one – not even Harry, Meghan, and Diana – should be placed on pedestals. People will only end up disappointed if they fail to recognize all of them are humans, with flaws, who make decisions and choices we may not like.

        Diana had affairs with multiple married men, Carling included. Everyone knew, the embarrassment was front page news. No need to continue it in a court of law. Get the divorce done, don’t name the most famous woman in the world who was the main cause. They lied in order to save face even though EVERYONE knew about the Diana/Carling affair.

        Diana repeatedly targeted married men. If her own husband didn’t want her, she take someone else’s husband. It was a pattern she repeated frequently. She could have chosen relationships with single men, but more often than not, she targeted married ones. She made that choice herself, no one forced her.

        Charles has mummy issues, he married a woman (Camilla) who looked like his childhood nanny. Diana had massive daddy issues, which is why she had a multi-year affair with a man who looked just like dear old dad. She made that choice, which ended up causing Harry lifelong trauma because of it. Not Charles, not Charles supporters. Diana made that choice, and by making it, she opened the door for decades of speculation about Harry’s parentage.

      • Ameerah M says:

        While I see your point, Diana didn’t “target” married men like they were prey and she was a lion. They weren’t victims of her charms. All parties were consenting adults. Diana was a toff. Married people had and have affairs among that set BECAUSE they know no one will want to run off with each other. It’s literally proximity and convenience. Just look at Rose and Will.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Yes they were all consenting adults and yes, Diana DID target many married men. Diana wasn’t having affairs with married members of the Toffs. She was having affairs with married Carling, her married body guard, etc. Many of them were not convenient, otherwise she wouldn’t have been sneaking them into KP in the trunk of her car.

    • Jaded says:

      Oh really? “Stop blaming a woman for a man’s decision”? Camilla willingly cheated on her husband with Charles before and during his marriage to Diana. She’s as complicit in the scandal as he is. She even took Diana under her wing for a while in the guise of preparing her for marrying into the BRF, all the while sleeping with Charles. How’s that for cold, calculating and immoral? This hag has NO conscience or integrity, neither does her dithering wimp of a husband. I hope their reign goes down in flames.

      • Tessa says:

        Diana did not break up the carlings. She was not named in court papers. Carling denied an affair. Camilla was in effect running Diana’s marriage Camilla even started redecorating highgrove when c and d were still married. It’s the same old well Diana was not a saint talk to try to excuse Camilla. And then it degenerates into gaslighting Diana.

      • Jaded says:

        @Tessa — thank you. All the so-called *evidence* of Diana and Carling’s affair was circumstantial and hearsay, no solid facts.

      • Puppy1 says:

        @Jaded, The thing is that Camilla was “The Groomer” in the RF syndicate (taking Diana under her wing). C&C are no better than Epstein &; Maxwell. QII & Phillip knew what was going on and condoned it so they are no better. Makes sense that none of them had a problem with Andrew. It’s just business as usual.

      • Ashley says:

        @Jaded It is physically impossible for a woman to force a man to sleep with her. Both parties are adults and have free will.

        In both the Wales marriage and the Parker-Boles marriage all four people were cheating. That’s a fact.

        If you want burn Charles and Camilla at the stake, you’re going to need to light up Diana and Andrew PB too.

      • Cassie says:

        Once again a wonderful selection of photos.

        I hope their reign is a very short and unpleasant one.

      • aftershocks says:

        ^^ Please leave Diana out of your bonfire. She was a 19-year-old going on 20 when she got engaged after being with Charles for 13 weeks. The marriage was a mistake, but that’s not Diana’s fault. On her wedding day, she was like a lamb led to slaughter. Of course, Diana was not perfect and not a saint. But she truly wanted a loving marriage, not to be abused by her cheating husband and his mistress.

        Diana became involved with other men after accepting that Charles would never change and never love her. She was isolated, lonely, and she understandably desired to be loved. She chose badly with Hewitt. I think Carling was more a friend than a lover. Her first relationship outside her marriage may have been with her bodyguard who later mysteriously died in a motorcycle accident.

  34. Sugarhere says:

    ” The monarchy is a blended family “: 😂🤣. These sycophants are so used to sucking d***s and being cynical with the readers, they do think they still can lobotomize the masses into buying their Operation Consort whitewash op.

    The Consort is currently the most hated woman in Britain. The general population find Camilla so loathsome that the Trade Unions are starting to miss Margaret Thatcher.

  35. Mary Pester says:

    Doesn’t leak??? WTF, She should have been called colander! And not sly? Oo she takes an interest in people, yep, because she’s LOOKING FOR AMMUNITION!! For gods sake she is so sly Silvester stallone is looking to take his name back. I hope it pees down all bloomin day! Diana WILL be at that coronation, she will be in everybody’s heart and on everybody’s mind, especially when they see that old relic sat in her place. Harry will be there out of loyalty to the throne and as a veteran who swore allegiance to the institution, NOT because of Charlie.. Camilla is an old harridan and here’s a message for her, straight from Game of thrones, WINTER IS COMING “and it’s coming for you.

  36. Keri says:

    How did she win? If we’re being naive, she won by default. Her rival Diana, died. If we’re being brutally honest, she won because the evil UK press she was in bed with hounded Diana to death with her and Chuckles backing. Considering what these two did to their mother, I hope both of Diana’s sons spit on them both at the Con-a-nation. That would be the one and only time I’d root for Bulliam. You know the crowd would cheer and chant “Diana.”

    • notasugarhere says:

      William has no issues with infidelity and no issues with Camilla. He accepted Anmer Hall as his family home, the place where Charles and Camilla conducted their affair for years. William embraces Camilla being accepted, because it paves the way for his Wife #2 to be accepted too.

      • Lucky Charm says:

        Who could he find to be wife #2 though? No one else wanted to be wife #1 when he was young and still lovely to look at.

      • notasugarhere says:

        A woman who wants power, position, influence – but who will make him look better on the world stage.

    • Ashley says:

      They divorced in 1996. It’s been nearly 27 years. Let it go.

      • aftershocks says:

        ^^ Maybe you should direct your “Let it go,” admonition to the British tabloid rota ratchets, @Ashley! They need to stop preying on Diana in death, and above all, cease their obsession with, and their vile abuses against Meghan and Harry!

  37. Tessa says:

    The blended family spin is farce when Charles excluded his daughter in law and two small grandchildren from going to the coronation. When blended family is invoked c and c demonstrate hypocrisy

  38. Vba says:

    This is a particularly tactless headline. The “other woman” won, because OG woman died. The only reason she is even mediocrely tolerated by the public is because she only “competes” with the memory of D. It’s revolting, honestly.

    • Tashiro says:

      It’s extremely insulting. She deserves it in my opinion. Regardless what’s written in the article this paper is taking a big swipe at her and it’s not positive.

    • Ashley says:

      @VBA. Do you realized Charles and Diana divorced in 1996? Even if Diana had recovered from that accident in Paris, she wasn’t going to be Queen.

      • Tessa says:

        Diana being around would have been better for will and harry imo.

      • aftershocks says:

        ^^ Diana was even more popular when she was alive. Her huge charisma, her good works, and her global popularity are what Charles and the British monarchy felt threatened by. Of course, after the divorce, Diana was never going to be Queen, but you’d better believe that had Diana lived, she would be a force to be reckoned with.

        It’s Diana’s popularity that Charles was always jealous of. His weak, indecisive nature may have kept him from remarrying, with Diana still alive to remind everyone of what a poor excuse for a man and for a husband he actually is. Anyway, Camilla is the one who connived and manipulated to get Charles to marry her in the first place. But it was only after Diana’s death that Camilla began her campaign to meet with Diana’s sons. She especially sought to meet with Will (and then leak that they’d met) for public p.r. purposes, on her journey to rehabilitate her image.

  39. Zazzoo says:

    Meanwhile Diana haunts them daily in the embodiment of a tall red haired glorious prince with his beautiful wife and loving family.

  40. Cali says:

    So Camilla is Cersei Lannister?
    Even more glad that Meghan is staying home.

  41. AM says:

    To me, she will always be Queentampon, Diana and Harry’s torturer. She thinks she won, but the public is only tolerating her. She will never be adored like Diana. She will always be the villain in the Diana story.

  42. JCallas says:

    She is known by some in royal household circles as “the lady boss” and, as one source says, “She can be steely as f***. She would have made a brilliant 16th-century courtier, because she’s canny.”

    Funny how Camilla gets praised for having the qualities Meghan is demonized for. Even though Meghan never broke up anyone’s marriage.

  43. Maxine Branch says:

    What I find so very strange is you often hear rumors about a side piece in a marriage but it is usually talked about re the partners friends who either saw the other woman/man together or it was shared privately. I have never witness this actually happening in the manner this marriage/coronation is happening so publicly and so loudly. It just makes you wonder what really goes on behind closed doors in that institution. To parade this woman around in public and to anoint her as Queen with her history of being the third person in that marriage and how she manipulated that young wife is really a sight to behold. The amount of hubris running rampant in that family is truly dangerous.

    • notasugarhere says:

      Affairs and divorce are not uncommon. 50 percent of marriages in the UK end in divorce.

      As for the coronation? Less than 30 percent of people in the UK claim to be Christian. A smaller subset of that 30 percent are members of the Church of England. What does that mean? The vast majority of people in the UK do not think this anointing in a Church means anything at all.

  44. Elo says:

    The thing I always find so striking about Camilla, is how deeply, deeply unattractive she is. It’s as though her ugliness has eaten her from the inside out.

  45. L4Frimaire says:

    It’s so incredibly disingenuous and cynical to say she’s hurt by Harry’s book when she’s seen palling around with Jeremy Clarkson and Piers Morgan after they write such hateful misogynistic articles attacking Meghan and tormented Harry’s mother while directly benefiting from her death. She is deluded if she thinks Harry is the only one in that family who sees her for the snake she is. She is a grasping despicable person who will do all she can to put her family front and center. Charles will be the one who’s the afterthought in his own reign.

  46. Lee says:

    Nasty piece of work that Camilla! Enough said….

  47. Tessa says:

    Charles is just a bad parent and grandparent. His spin for Camilla has always been very tactless. All the spin i. The world could not make Charles a good parent.

  48. Well Wisher says:

    The recycled article about Camilla as described by her former brother-in-law has stood well with time. She has spent the decades since it was first published trying to refute said article but instead reinforcing every thing about her competition with other women.
    She won over the Princess Royale when she married her first husband, kept Charles pining after her wedding for bragging rights for doing the future king.
    Her actions and their effects on the late Princess Diana, leaks etc is well documented but she has never been seen as the better of the the two.
    This fact remains unchanged, through the marriage and wait for vengeance – becoming Queen Consort.
    Diana still bested her.
    King Charles 111 towards his son and brother validated the claims that she causes mischief in the families that she marry into, caused strife between Parker-Bowles and his parents. Did not help the situation with Charles and his sons, nor his parents.
    Not surprising, we are presented with this revisionist history.
    I am flummoxed that Camilla and Kate were jealous of Meghan, since there are not enough eligible suitable men for the young girls to compete to marry.
    It is easy why they see Meghan’s trajectory from as viable, being sensible.
    As a consequence one had to deal with the Clarkson person horrible article.

  49. QuiteContrary says:

    She is hideous and the yellow background in that photo makes her look even more nicotine-stained than usual.

    The reference to the “other woman” says it all, really: She’ll never be a replacement for Diana, only a sorry, cynical, scheming substitute.

  50. Bubblegum Dreams says:

    Why so much Bling with a patterned dress. Tacky…tacky…tacky…Bitch never heard about less is more?

  51. adri3nne says:

    LMAO at them saying she has a ‘sphinx-like stare’

  52. Edna X Mode says:

    The Rottweiler is looking rough. Ruff! Ruff!
    and i have long agreed w/ person above; Charles especially in his black tails looks like Count Dracula (and imo with a hint of Jabba the Hut around his orbs and gaping mouth).

    Seems also like The Sunday Times is trying to subtly generate hate toward Camilla!? that yellow back ground in That dress does her zero favors. and the subtitle subject is so offensive towards Princess Diana… and really everyone

  53. Ruth says:

    Some of these camilla pr victory lap articles are so bad, im starting to believe the new ones are from her enemys. This doesnt make her look good.

  54. Gorgonia says:

    the more I read about Camilla, the more I’m happy Meghan is safe far away from this woman. Watch your back, Kate!

  55. HennyO says:

    This ongoing campaign to clean up Camilla’s image is getting too irritating. I thing that the public is fed up with it, it’s so in your face. They make the conAnation all about her.
    My hope is that, before the conAnation, a reputable publication will have the guts to publish a REAL investigative and convincing portrait that will expose (some of) the schemes that this wicked witch (and her partners in crime) has been rolling out over the past 3/4 decades.