The Guardian might be the only trusted news source in the UK when it comes to fair coverage of Prince Harry’s lawsuits against the British tabloids. The Guardian’s coverage of the pretrial hearing in Harry’s case against the Sun was excellent – they devoted several articles to coverage of Harry’s statement to the court, as well as very helpful explainers about the timeline and backstory of what is a multi-decade crime spree and coverup at the highest levels of the British establishment. The biggest headline, without a doubt, is that William received a “very large sum” from News Group Newspapers (Murdoch’s outfit in the UK) as a “secret settlement” in 2020. This was the same time that the family was publicly aghast at Harry for so openly suing the Mirror, the Mail and the Sun, and it was also in the same timeline of the family openly participating in the smear campaign against Harry and Meghan, a campaign which saw the Sussexes flee the UK in the same year that William accepted that large sum of money. Are you interested in hearing about how King Charles is up to his neck in Rupert Murdoch’s bullsh-t as well? Well, here you go:
Queen Elizabeth II personally threatened Rupert Murdoch’s media company with legal proceedings over phone hacking only for her efforts to be undermined by the then Prince Charles, the high court has heard. Prince Harry said his father intervened because he wanted to ensure the Sun supported his ascension to the throne and Camilla’s role as queen consort, and had a “specific long-term strategy to keep the media on side” for “when the time came”.
The Duke of Sussex made the claims on Tuesday as part of his ongoing legal action against News Group Newspapers. The legal case lays bare Harry’s allegations of the deals between senior members of the British royal family and tabloid newspapers. The prince said his father, the king, had personally demanded he stop his legal cases against British newspaper outlets when they were filed in late 2019.
The court filings state: “I was summoned to Buckingham Palace and specifically told to drop the legal actions because they have an ‘effect on all the family’.” He added this was “a direct request (or rather demand) from my father” and senior royal aides.
In 2017, Harry decided to seek an apology from Murdoch’s News UK for phone hacking, receiving the backing of Queen Elizabeth II and his brother. His submission said: “William was very understanding and supportive and agreed that we needed to do it. He therefore suggested that I seek permission from ‘granny’. I spoke to her shortly afterwards and said something along the lines of: ‘Are you happy for me to push this forward, do I have your permission?’ and she said: ‘Yes.’”
Having received the support of Queen Elizabeth II, Harry said he asked the royal family’s lawyers to write to the Murdoch executives Rebekah Brooks and Robert Thomson and seek a resolution. Yet the company refused to apologise and, out of desperation, Harry discussed banning reporters from Murdoch-owned outlets from attending his wedding to Meghan, Duchess of Sussex. In 2018, Sally Osman, Queen Elizabeth II’s communications secretary, wrote an email to Harry explaining that she was willing to threaten legal action in the name of the monarch.
The email read: “The queen has given her consent to send a further note, by email, to Robert Thomson, CEO of News Corporation and Rebekah Brooks, CEO of News UK. Her Majesty has approved the wording, which essentially says there is increasing frustration at their lack of response and engagement and, while we’ve tried to settle without involving lawyers, we will need to reconsider our stance unless we receive a viable proposal.”
However, there was no apology, which Harry ascribes to a secret deal between the royal family and senior Murdoch executives to keep proceedings out of court. Harry claimed that, shortly before his wedding, he was informed Murdoch’s company would not apologise to the queen and the rest of the royal family at that stage because “they would have to admit that not only was the News of the World involved in phone hacking but also the Sun”, which they “couldn’t afford to do” as it would undermine their continued denials that illegal activity took place at the Sun.
Harry now believes his father and royal courtiers were prioritising positive coverage of his father and Camilla in the Sun, rather than seeking to back his legal claims. He said: “[T]hey had a specific long-term strategy to keep the media (including [Sun publisher] NGN) onside in order to smooth the way for my stepmother (and father) to be accepted by the British public as queen consort (and king respectively) when the time came … anything that might upset the applecart in this regard (including the suggestion of resolution of our phone-hacking claims) was to be avoided at all costs.”
Harry suggested some of this in Spare – that Charles and William were both curious about how his lawsuits were proceeding when they all met for Philip’s funeral in 2021. Both Charles and William thought Harry’s lawsuits were a fool’s errand, or at least that was Harry’s perspective at the time. It feels more than likely that Harry left out parts of their conversation when writing Spare, like he was squirreling away certain facts and accusations for a rainy day, to be used in court. I’m still curious to find out when and how Harry learned about William’s secret settlement.
Anyway, I find it entirely possible that Harry’s assessment is completely accurate, that QEII signed off on Harry’s request to sue NGN and take it to the mattresses. This would have been 2017-18, a moment of huge transition for the royal households. In 2017, Charles pushed out his mother’s most trusted courtier, her private secretary Christopher Geidt and installed Edward Young in that position. Young took an immediate dislike to Harry and Meghan, and he did the most to damage them and push them out. 2017 was also when William and Kate were finally “moving to London” and supposed to become full-time royals (lol). Philip also retired that same year, and I believe Charles began operating as the shadow regent at that time. Of course Charles tried to shut down Harry’s efforts to get accountability. Charles “needs” the press on “his side.” The side of Queen Side Chick, first of her name.
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The New York Times had this story up on its site last night. Charles and William fooled around with Harry, and now they’re finding out. It’s not going to go well for them is my guess.
The sad thing is (and you could see the tread running throughout Spare) is that Harry really was sacrificed continually for his father and brother.
I felt in the book he was still in the early stages of grief about the state of their relationship, but now he’s reached acceptance stage and DGAF anymore.
They made their choice and Harry has made his. Lines are drawn and I know hose side I’m on.
Agree and this makes me hope more than ever that the rumor that Harry’s deal with PRG was ultimately for three books is true
It shows how greedy chuck and will are. They should’ve had the ngn take care of harry monetarily. Did they think harry would just sit in Frogmore waiting to be used.
If I was William I wouldn’t isolate my brother. Just like people said “skip charles” they will say “skip William”. Brother Harry could’ve help.
Harry was disposable.
Agree Amy T. When he realized his own family was behind the misery he and Meghan experienced, he lost all Fs to give. And now his family finally realizes what a formidable opponent he is. They were too stupid to realize he wasn’t the stupid one
After Diana died, Harry was the only one worth any money. Even QEII knew it. Unfortunately, by the time Harry got married she definitely lost any power she had. Her signing off on his desire to sue tells us EVERYTHING about her regard for Harry.
BOOM!! This is big!! There’s no hiding the shenanigans now! No pretending that the tabs can control what people know & think anymore, not with the Guardian & NYT publishing this.
Guardian & NYT are more credible sources than the usual British pap. On balance they’re better than not. But they still run opinion junk too, like Bret Stephens in NYT and Guardian reporting on polling of Meghan & Harry in USA. The mastheads are prone to their own bias errors: both sides equally harmful at NYT, and Guardian susceptible to public opinion polls of celebrities. As far as I can tell BRFCo runs opinion polls like other companies do market research – to determine effectiveness of their ad campaigns.
It’s all just so dark and twisted. I think what gets me the most is that the RF’s agreement to secrecy helped NGN fight against other people’s claims, people with far less power and money than the RF. All the talk about a lifetime of service is a f+cking joke. They’re only for themselves.
Good point.
It’s all so shady. That’s the part that the rest of the tabloids are trying to undersell today. Murdoch and the RF have too much power. 10 days until the coronation LOL.
Excellent point. Because the RF was willing to help NGN hide their illegal activities, it made it that much harder for anyone else to bring a claim.
That’s what is honestly a bit shocking to me. Like i know these people only care about themselves but to agree to stay quiet while their citizens who were victims of NGN’s illegal activity tried to fight back and then take secret money from NGN is just so beyond the pale. I said this on Twitter and got some people testy but in any other country with a democratically elected parliament if a head of state did this there’d be inquests but the Tories, the monarchy, and Fleet Street are so entwined nothing will be done.
There is no accountability just bad faith arguments about how William is entitled to “privacy” from the same people who cried about not knowing who Archie’s godparents are because his parents were working royals when he was born and thus not entitled to privacy.
To your point of it’s so entwined and nothing will be done. I’m really curious as to how the judges rule. Will they even let this go to trial? It’s past the time that Harry could make a case but of course he’s arguing that he would have done sooner had he known what he knows now. I really hope this doesn’t end in a summary judgment.
What gets me is how effing cheap they are. They are literally selling their own children for chump change
I am not and will never be in the selling of my offspring for money business, but IF I was I would definitely be getting a better price for them
Is it possible for those who’s cases were thwarted because of these ‘royal’ shenanigans to sue the ‘royal’ family aka the firm themselves?
Interference with a court case, or something?
That’s what I’d like to see.
The chickens MUST come home to roost.
We, The People, have a right to know how our legal systems are being abused, no matter how wealthy (or not) a person is.
Because if I pulled this kind of crapola, I’d be in jail before I could finish saying ‘not guilty’!!!
This, @Jais. It’s appalling.
Every egg in Britain should be thrown at Charles, Camilla and William on the day of the Struggly. They are terrible, terrible people.
Jais – thanks for your comment. We’ll see what happens to this case. I have more faith in the British courts than I do in British media as far as getting the facts straight. But only if the case progresses to fact finding trial. Was stopping Leveson inquiry bought and paid for by Rupert et al?
People joke about selling their souls, but man Charles you really committed to it.
And he sold it at basement bargain prices
Being inside Charles’s own head 24/7 must be exhausting. He seems like he’s miserable or at the very least “perturbed” or bothered about something at all times. Not a moment of peace.
ALL for Queen Side Chick. Jeez.
Harry keeps on providing evidence of his families cozy relationship with the press. Imagine what the Sun has on these royal family members. Things they want to keep hidden. But now we see the Sun had their own reputation to protect. So the relationship was built on immorality from both sides. And Harry was thrown as food to the Sun by his family so the Sun wouldn’t eat them all.
While I am loving every second of him providing this evidence, can a lawyer tell me why it’s relevant to his suit?
Don’t get me wrong, I hope he keeps it up! I just don’t see why his effed up family dynamic is relevant to Sun phone hacking?
I’m not a lawyer, but I think the sun is saying that this is past the statute of limitations, and he’s saying it was also technically past them when my brother sued, and you settled. I think he’s also showing that he was on course to bring this earlier, but was thwarted by people colluding with the Sun (his own gd family).
Ah, ok yes that makes sense! Thank you!
Camilla again! First, William and Harry suffer a dysfunctional home life, then the loss of their mom, with Camilla being at the center of it all… and then after their mother is gone, being sacrificed to the press on that same woman’s behalf. William then decided to get what he could from the situation, leaving Harry and Meghan to pay the price for him.
Whatever karmic backlash is coming Chuck and Queen Sidepiece’s way they’ve earned in buckets.
What kind of father allows something like this to happen to his son. He should have been protecting his sons at all costs after their mother died. He chose to use Harry instead of protecting him for that awful woman. I bet she would never do this to her children however Diana’s meant nothing to her particularly Harry. I hope he never let those horrible people get anywhere near his prescious children. They deserve every awful thing coming their way.
The Guardian has done excellent reporting on this and the royal family’s funds. I especially liked the piece that discussed how Harry’s take on mental health has been used against him.
The Guardian should be running these stories back to back and them syndicating them to other globally aligned publications in the UK, France etc
This is the sort of coverage that Chuckles really fears.
I’m pretty sure they are already doing that. All media outlets do that.
I, personally, am loving the timing of all this. Right before the hat changing!! I absolutely love this for the BRF & the rota rats!
Last night, after reading the latest batch of posts, I made a large (for me) contribution to the Guardian. I want to support this type of reporting, and I wanted to send a message (with my wallet) that there’s a very real appetite for serious, good-faith reporting and journalistic ethics. I am hungry for truth, facts, integrity, accountability, and justice— and I hope many others are too.
DeeSea – that is great that you donated! I started out donating to the Guardian as I view things like you – I want to support legitimate, fact based journalism where I can. I wish my budget was larger as I’m sure most people do. I donated to the Guardian for a few years and this year I made the move to a subscription. I live in Canada but want a perspective on news in different parts of the world (I donate or subscribe to media in the US as well as Canada). In England, while not perfect, the Guardian is not a tabloid and doesn’t have a rich, sketchy owner. I have also made some donations to ‘Hacked Off’ as they work with victims of press abuse and try to advocate for those who don’t have the financial resources. I wanted to let you know that others think as you do.
@Julianna Thank you for introducing me to “Hacked Off”! I hadn’t heard of them before, and now I want to support them too. Journalistic integrity and human journalists are both under serious attack right now, and I want to be part of the solution in righting that very troubling situation. I so appreciate your comment!
@ DEESEA Wholeheartedly agree with your comment. I donate a monthly (small) amount to the Guardian for the same reasons. When you do sign up to subscribe/donate there is text box asking why you have decided to support them. I wrote a couple of paragraphs citing their, relatively, unbiased reporting about H&M (this was Nov 2022). I’d realised even then that this was the last independent source of print news on this topic left standing here in the UK. I felt very strongly about how the media were relentlessly ganging up on M in particular at the time. Now I see it’s even more important to support good reporting to protest against the rot within the other papers via our wallets wherever possible.
William probably traded silence about his affair with (false) stories such as tiaragate as well as tipping the media off about the Sussexes Half in /Half out plan — in exchange for a BRIBE.
I suspect the HOW of harry learning this would probably have been in the hours shortly after QEII’s death when things were in chaos. Any courtiers still loyal to the Queen and burned by the Shadow regency could have slipped him the intel during the transition chaos. It would have been a chef’s kiss if this happened with Megan… when she was left behind in London. (My imagination of a British spy thriller is very active here).
Based on what we now know that she supported the lawsuit, it’s possible that in her final years, she instructed certain loyal people around her to give Harry evidence. I’d love to think Betty was petty enough to secretly undermine Charles and his forced regency. Now she’s doing it from the grave.
ABSOLUTELY. I want this to be in Season 10 of the Crown.
Sorry but there is no way the queen gave or authorized slipping any intel to him. The queen was exceptionally conflict adverse and she probably just tried to avoid the topic as much as she could. I think her leadership style led to a lot of the game of thrones like power that courtiers in various houses had.
I think what’s more likely is that journalists in the US whom were privy to this ‘Cartel’ of sorts have enlightened Harry and Meghan on just how deep set the rot it.
Remember also that Harry engaged his own investigator to look into his mother’s death, so possibly that investigator got a whiff of these revelations at the time.
This story also confirms what I have long suspected. Charles and William completely elbowed Liz out of the picture by the mid teens. The last years of her life she was monarch in name only. Ironically, she seemed just fine with that.
Yes!
Revenge is mine, sayeth the Queen!
LOL!
But in all seriousness, this is a truly f*cked up, gawd awful family. I’m so pleased that Harry, Meghan & Archie got out.
These people have zero genuine love to offer one another. All they offer up are malignant alliances, calumny, & betrayal.
LOL, at Harry’s incredible timing! He drags out his decision to attend the Clowning until the week before this hearing, possibly only agreeing after a personal conversation with CIII, knowing that this witness statement was going to hit the news hot on the heels of his acceptance. The conanation is so fucked up at this point, and the hits just keep coming. 😂😂😂
To Mary Pester ‘cause we know she’ll be reading: Lots of love to you from all of us, we know it’s hard right now. Whenever strength allows, if you’d allow us to donate to a cherished cause in your honor, just pipe up on any thread and let us know what/where. ❤️
(And friends, it’d be lovely if you can help amplify anything she says whenever and wherever it pops up – it may be difficult for her to post much right now. Thanks!)
Hi, @MaryPester! Sending light your way. As well as your loved ones supporting you however they can.
I know you’ve been waiting for this house of cards to fall, so hopefully you are getting a bit of a distraction right now!
First off, Charles YOU RAGGEDY BITCH!!!
All of this backstabbing and betrayal for your side Ho! You betrayed the your mother the Queen and your sons to prop this bitch up!!
So, if my timeline is correct, the Queen gave Harry and William her permission to sue and fully backed them with her own communications. Then Charles, furious about these turn of events, pushed out the only sensible courtier in her household and essentially forced a hidden regency. The new guy was ordered to keep the Queen in the dark about most things from there on out.
William was with Harry on the lawsuit until his dirty little secrets were on the verge of being exposed. Which was probably arranged by Camila to start leaking about Rose because her inbred son heard the gossip from Giles Corin during a boozy lunch. And probably a bunch of other salacious gossip about him. Charles gets William on his side to not publicly sue, promises him a huge payout and to get to story squashed in the UK tabloids. Then urges him to convince Harry to back off as well. Only Harry couldn’t be bought because he’s got nothing to hide.
Love the detail that Harry has an actual email from the queens secretary. That’s pretty clear evidence that she supported his case.
That was the part that made me laugh too. Harry is NOT messing around. He has the email!!
Yep! I noticed that, too. He’s got the email. I skimmed an article on the BBC news app that framed everything with Harry says this & Harry says that, when actually Harry’s got emails & other documentation to back up what he says. It’s not just a matter of Harry sh*t-talking his brother or father, as they implied. Boy, has the BBC fallen.
@Snuffles I think your timeline makes sense. It’s not clear if the email from the Queen’s secretary was before or after young was installed, but I think it makes sense if it was from before.
So Harry asks the Queen if she approves him pushing for an apology, she says yes bc that was always the deal. When the Sun won’t give him that apology (even though they had said they would years before), the Queen herself considers legal action in 2017(18?) Charles then pushes out Geidt and installs his man, Young. Philip retires, and Charles now has almost full control of what happens at BP. He tries to stop Harry from suing at which point Harry gets his own lawyers, especially as the negative stories about him and his wife keep piling up and he is getting no benefit from the invisible contract that seems to work fine enough for Charles and William.
No wonder the Queen had a burner phone. (I dont know that she did people, its a joke more than anything lol.)
I’m sure Charles always wanted to instate his man EY but this timeline is really suggesting that Harry’s case with the sun was the impetus for ousting Geidst.
One of the points that really stood out to me in the Netflix series was Harry realising that he could act independently of the institution, sue people, etc. It was a key part of his deprogramming and it’s been a fascinating journey to watch ever since. All those years of frustration are now being released.
No wonder he’s glowing, he’s in love with an amazing woman who loves him right back, they have two happy children, and this. Go Harry.
Looks like the prospect of Philip retiring and being out of the way gave Charles the opening to bounce Geidt and install Young, who had been Geidt’s deputy. Philip retired at the beginning of August; Geidt announced his resignation just a couple of days before, though he didn’t actually leave for another couple of months. Very neatly done.
I’m vaguely curious (though don’t really want to know!) what it is about Camilla that made it worth everything Charles has and is about to sacrifice for her, starting with any semblance of integrity. He’ll be crowned, and she’ll be crowned queen by his side, but he’s going to find it’s the textbook definition of a Pyrrhic victory…
@Snuffles: Raggedy Bitch indeed!! I love that this is all coming to a head mere days before, as Kaiser would say, Chuck’s fancy hat day.
ETA: @WindyRiver, I’m with you. I already know waaaay more about Chuck’s feelings for Camilla than I care to.
@Lorelei – And the RF/BM criticized Harry for being mesmerized by Meghan (of course, the words used were much more demeaning). At least those two have ethics and integrity and as a couple are a powerful global force for good. Charles would definitely know about being “enthralled” (use whatever word works for you!) with a partner; he and Camilla have been in each other’s lives for 40 years, and as a couple epitomize greed, sleaze, selfishness, and every kind of backroom dealing. All hail the Tampon King and Queen Escort.
@windy river
I hv never believed that chucky and the co-hoe were ever “in love” with each other.
Never having felt love from either of his parents, chucky always gravitated to women who made him believe they loved him and they did it by boosting his ego. (Rmbr, not only did he hv other ‘mistresses’ along with the co-hoe, thereby proving that she wasnt anything special to him, but the co-hoe herself has been playing him since they met! Because she had her own agenda: to become the mistress of the king.)
Her dream was to be his ‘mistress’ for life. And so she made him feel and believe there was nothing she wouldnt do for him, such that, in their infamous tampontapes, he is heard telling her: “Your greatest achievement in life is to love me.”
I meeeeeeaaaan!!!………who says that to one’s ‘beloved’???
In conclusion: chucky and co-hoe hv had a co-dependent relationship from jump. It was never intended to be a marriage. But having been forced (for purposes of PR and his destiny as king) to wed, their new image required that they give-off the impression that theirs is a love story for the ages (BARF!)
Thats the reason he employed that PR monster back when the mission to sanitize the co-hoe’s image began in earnest. And in pursuit of the sanitization of the co-hoe, chucky was prepared to sacrifice anything and anyone, including his mother, the monarch; and his children (hvng already gotten rid of their mother.)
@WINDYRIVER I’ve read stuff over the years about C & C and apparently Camzilla mothered him in all the ways he wished his mother would have.
It says SO MUCH, imo, than even most of us here are like, “Wow, I’m surprised, I didn’t know they could be *that* shitty!”
I mean? If you’d asked me a week ago, I would have thought that nothing could possibly be bad enough to further scandalize Celebitches when it comes to the BRF (we’re a jaded group, lol) but even lots of us are stunned at how awful this is.
ETA: Sorry, this was supposed to be a reply to @ML’s comment below.
Yesterday’s jaw dropper was that W took a huge settlement. Yesterday evening’s jaw dropper was that what KC did was worse: KC is the reason that Harry was blocked from suing. HE stopped it in his own self interest. Has KC also been paid? And how is Harry going to survive that fakakta Chubbly after this?!
I for one will rest assured that he will be traveling in a slightly less bumpy golden carriage.
with air-conditioning, no less
I can’t believe the queen would have supported Harry!
What a grandma!!!
Charles is rancid and let his reputation destroy his family.
Guess we know why they started frantically stopping Harry from seeing his Grandma. She supported him and what he was doing and they didn’t want him to have that on his side.
It makes that petty BS over removing the ER from the epaulets on Harry’s uniform and announcing this fact to the media during the funeral more disgusting.
At the time, the story was that she gives Harry whatever he wants, after the Sussexes left the observation was that the late Queen has coddled him. it became apparent what the opposite of coddling was lack of security, eviction and stripped of patronages….
The only surprise in these revelations for me is William accepting this payoff while encouraging his brother not to pursue his lawsuit. Also, I do believe now that William made promises re Harry and Meghan and turned a blind eye as they were thrown under the bus as he fed them information. William if he accents will be owned by the Tories and Charles reign will be bumpy and short. Karma has no end date. These folks are as low as they come.
I wasn’t surprised that W took the payment, he’s never had any moral character, just that it was outed like this. The surprise for me was £1bn pounds NGN had already paid out in settlement back in 2012 to average people.
In another century Harry would have marshaled supporters and raised an army, now he’s the most potent ‘army of one’ there can be.
This is righteous work that defends the entire country and all of this duplicity is being dragged out into the sunlight before the coronation.
Keep being awesome Harry.
I agree with all you said but now I fear for Harry’s safety and wish he’d reconsider and not go to the Con-a-nation. SMH
I pray Harry will be safe. If anything happens to Harry the royals are toast!
@Chrissy – they might want to “accident” Harry but, they daren’t. As Nlopez says if ANYTHING happens to Harry then the royals are toast. There is still far too much speculation about Diana for them to even consider it.
You’re exactly right, and I believe that is one reason this story is enthralling so many people: it is reminiscent of stories about his ancestors overthrowing compromised or incompetent rulers. I mean, the guy looks like a Tudor and has Tudor blood through Diana, so there is definitely some aspects of him being the real heir to the Tudor throne while the German Windsor side of the family just doesn’t belong there anymore.
@Laura D, agree, and I think it’s making Charles (and now William, too) even angrier because it makes them feel impotent— Harry’s going to Harry and there’s absolutely nothing they can do about it. They are not used to feeling this way (they are used to getting what they want at all times), and they don’t like it one bit!
Charles is such a disappointment, always all about him and his side-chick. There were other people hurt by the phone hacking weren’t there? What about them?? Love that this is all coming out just before the Sad hat party!!
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Best wishes to Mary, your posts are always funny and insightful!
Charles’ obsession with Camilla really is the a major cause of all the scandal that has embroiled the BRF in the last few decades. And then there is Andrew.
This is Big Bad Stuff. Hugely embarrassing for the RF. The coronation is going to be AWKWARD, I really hope Harry will be safe!
Maybe Harry would want to sit ten rows back! Look bad for Charles, but harry no longer has any F*cks to give!
I hope – and kind of expect, honestly, given what we’ve seen – that Harry has a strategy in place: if, God forbid, anything were to happen to him, or Meghan or the littles, all the dominoes will start falling. We know there are another 400 unpublished pages of Spare 2.0, for a start. And we know H&M keep receipts. I hope, for their sakes, it never becomes necessary, but I bet there’s a nuclear contingency plan if anyone gets Diana-ed.
I agree and I think Harry has made that abundantly clear to them.
William was said to be sneaky even as a child. Ken Wharfe wrote about him
Did the write a book or some articles? I feel like since they were children people have been going on record just short or calling him an asshole. Even people who won’t give their names seem to say the same thing. I don’t think I’ve ever seen him referred to as a nice person.
@Steph, Ken Wharfe wrote a book about his time with Diana (I just checked and it’s called “Closely Guarded Secret”), and I’ve never read it, but it probably mentions William to some extent.
I *despise* William, but I do feel sorry for him due to the fact that SO MANY people who were close to his mother sold her out and wrote books (including childhood stories about him and Harry) after her death. I get that they grew up with less privacy than most humans to begin with, but for those books to come out after her horrific passing by people William and Harry trusted had to have been awful.
Charles’s first valet, Stephen Barry, wrote about how awful William was when he was just a little kid. The accompanying picture was William in a prism making the most sour face possible.
He’s still regularly photographed making that face.
It wasn’t just people writing after the fact. It was known and reported in real time what a terror William was from toddlerhood on.
@windy river, after having read several books on both Charles and the queen, agree that Camilla’s hold over Charles seems to be her stand in as a mother figure to him. She seems to be very talented at stroking his ego, reassuring him, making herself available for his every need, etc. Honestly she seems to be a security blanket to him, and this is a man that still sleeps with a special teddy bear. What is it with Teddy bears and this family. For whatever reason, Camilla seems to be some sort of safe space to him that he never had in his family and for that reason alone he needs her like a drug. I don’t really buy that they ever had any great love story, as others have pointed out, he often had multiple mistresses at once including when Camilla was one of them. But Camilla is the one that he can’t do without. Read a book on his childhood and time at Gordounston, I think the abuse he might have suffered is beyond what many of us could imagine there. Also read up on his surrogate father, Dicky Mountbatten. Camilla is manipulative and cunning and she molded herself to be everything that she sensed he needed.
Harry has to be so tired of being the spare in literally every aspect of that family. Sounds like William let him do the dirty work and secure TQ approval but got the payout. Life is too short – at this point I wouldn’t even go to pretend Dress Up Party.
Just imagine if the royal family had used all this incredible time and energy being of service to the British people instead of scheming and backstabbing each other, how much could have been done to help others! The waste of time and energy is outrageous and heartbreaking.
Right? It’s the natural extension of white supremacy- how wonderful could our world be if all the energy that was spent just in the Jim Crowe era maintaining ws was instead used in constructive ways. I’m using that as an example because it’s within living memory.
If 20% of the Royals scheming time was spent on how to help others, they could make some real changes to the world instead of being international soap opera stars.
I’ll be curious to see how (or if) the public reacts to this. Yesterday, I saw a lot of comments about how dignified William is for having settled everything in secret.
Some in the comments sections always try to raise bill to sainthood no matter what.
The sycophants are going to sycophant, but it’s the mainstream, the general population and the anti-monarchy folks to watch. These aren’t the headlines Chuck, Camilla and Wills want. Man y’all played this ALL wrong lol.
The BBC had a breaking news segment about William’s settlement yesterday. these aren’t the headlines the royals want 2 weeks before the coronation.
On another thread the comments are that #princewilliamexposed is trending but I’m not on Twitter to give the lay of the land
I read most of the content of Harry’s The SUN witness statement, not only excerpted by in The Guardian, but also reported in great details by By-line Investigate and an Irish and Scottish new sites. Boy, how baffled and heartbroken I am by the betrayal of double agent William. But than again, his example for how to manipulate and sabotage his only brother, is right next to him: heartless Charles.
We thought that Harry has given us most of the tea of the powerplay, neglect and abuse by his family and the tabloids in SPARE – and also in his witness statements during his Daily Fail court hearings last mouth – but this reads like the script of a Mafia psycho-drama.
Harry, at this point, I want to say, after the hatfest (an uninvited is now at the table?), and when all your lawsuits are done by eind of next year or the year after, please cut ties with you corrupted father and brother. Don’t torment yourself any longer. They are not willing or see the need to lose ties with the your countries tabloid press; they are hopeless. You can’t continue to hurt yourself by these people, two people, their media friends and the firm. Its a chapter you need to close, at least till your children become adults.
What an absolutely backstabbing ass C-Rex is! He doesn’t deserve the titles of father or Pa. Even sperm donor seems too generous as a descriptor. He refused to be a decent husband, father, son, sibling,…
How isolated was the Queen that he felt comfortable in pulling this stunt? No wonder the palaces freaked out when they found out Harry and Meghan had several private conversations with the Queen and then went to great lengths to limit their contact with her. What terrible secrets did she spill to Harry? Her being repeatedly trotted out unmasked despite the real threat of Covid plus her contracting it twice certainly seems suspicious now. Hopefully all of the RF’s and Murdoch’s underhanded and illegal activities will be revealed in these court cases. C-Rex’ reign will be lonely, with only Camel, and the PBs as his only allies bc he’s managed to anger and alienate everyone else. Harry, have your getaway car waiting on stand by so you can leave the ClownFest asap. I hope the Sussexes remain safe and far away from this fiasco aka the reign of Charles the Worst…
Yes, agree with these comments about the Queen. Her supporting Harry explains so much about how Harry spoke about her, the sudden change of her private secretary, her being surrounded by viper courtiers in her final years. It is very sad. I think we only know a small fraction of the dirt that the UK tabloids has on the BRF, particularly Charles/Camilla/William/Kate. I hope that H&M act prudently and have excellent security. This is way more damaging than Spare, and honestly, Harry’s safety may be at risk.
Honestly, after the months and months of handwringing over how damaging Spare would be, it’s THIS that’s actually so much worse and Harry had nothing to do with it; KC3POS and William made their beds and now they have to lie in them.
What’s the saying? What’s done in the dark will always come to the light or something?
It’s not Harry’s fault that his brother and father behaved deplorably and now their actions are public knowledge.
Charles is such a terrible man, all the backroom dealings. shady going on’s. what is wrong with standing up to the repercussions of your actions. let the chips fall where they may. i a way we thank the lord that Harry was on the outside of the king in waiting training, because they are training cowards and no one takes responsibiltiy for anything
People with two braincells already knew it but to read it in official court papers /deposition is just so GREAT.
Chuck and the Side-Piece HorseQueen really are the worst, huh, no one’s surprised but holy hell, I love he exposed them for the pos they are.
Am I the only who really has a hard time believing that H didn’t clue C into this? He knew this would be coming out. Hitting C like this with just over a week before the hat party while expecting to attend sounds straight up dangerous. Even if it was arranged for him to have proper security, I wouldn’t trust the met police. They’ve been named as colluders as well.
Idk. This is a wild bold move on H’s part. I’m proud of him but terrified for him.
Who do you think looks worse W or C?
I’m going with W.
I don’t think anything will happen to him. That would destroy the RF but I do think after the coronation they will “punish him.”
They will for sure go hard for the titles talk even though it will look so bad.
The initial headlines made William look bad but the Guardian article about Charles maybe topped that. The whole institution looks awful considering how much Murdoch is hated.
This on top of the voting machine lawsuits as well as Fox shareholder lawsuits is the icing on the cake. It may take several years but Murdoch’s empire is going down the toilet…where it belongs. And I really don’t think Harry gives any f*cks about titles being removed in retribution or any of that. He’s doing what his conscience and integrity are telling him to do and if it means “burn it all down” well so be it.
@jaded fox is also facing a lawsuit from fired producer Abby grossberg who alleges her workplace was full of rampant misogyny and anti semitism. And she has 90 tapes! Some have been released and….wow.
Harry had nothing to do with the court’s scheduling. That’s up to the judge (more likely their minions).
Another example from Harry of how the Spare is made a scapegoat to protect the heir and the institution of monarchy
Further, it highlight the facts that Royals like politicians must conduct their personal life and official duties with the utmost discretion. Otherwise they open themselves to blackmail and held hostage by powerful newspaper barons.
Did they need that much protection??
I really thought we were done with the bombshells after Spare and Harry’s last court case but wow this kinda surprised me. The fact that Harry is determined and relentless is incredibly impressive!! Really hoping that more people start putting the pieces together especially as he keeps at it!
I’m hoping it really clicks with the public what Harry’s mission is.
What’s funny is that while this is going on H&M are going viral all over Twitter.
Yup, after being considered the irrelevant “spare” for half his life, it turns out that Harry is going to be the one featured the most in history books!
This is awful. Your sons (both of them) phones get hacked when they’re teenagers/young adults and instead of supporting your youngest’s desire to sue, you tell/demand him to shut up and forget about it.
Because you don’t want your wife aka the woman you cheated with while married to their mother to lose tabloid support.
I have mad respect and adoration for the ginger avenger.
Yes, he is a warrior through and through.
These revelations bring to mind why H&M named their daughter Lilibet and M’s sorrowful curtsy at the queen’s funeral.
We didn’t know the full story then, and it is even more sad than we realized.
Me too! I’m old enough to be his mother, but I feel the same way. He has learned from his mistakes , as all decent people do, and risen above the tattered colonial conarchy. Well done Harry!!
I’ve been coming to CB since the year it launched and this is the first time I’ve ever disagreed with a headline. The story here is that Charles literally sold out the British people. The ‘subjects’ he has the nerve to declare himself King over. And it sounds like William did the same.
These are truly selfish, entitled, horrible people.
I can’t remember the reporter’s name (I think it was the guy with them in Africa) who said that something had happened before or around the wedding that would be really damaging to the Royal Family if it ever got out. Betraying Queen and country for such selfish ends sure seems to fit that bill to me.
Tom Bradby (the one in South Africa) said at the time of Sussexit that “things were said that cannot be unsaid” and I think he also said that if people knew why H&M were really leaving they would understand.
Someone else (Kevin Maguire……? maybe? is that a person? lol) said on a morning show that there were real issues that could not be talked about for legal reasons and it wasn’t just the press and if people knew, they would side with H&M. the other host very quickly changed the topic.
@Becks1, it was Kevin Maguire and “the other host” was Piers Morgan, hacker extraordinaire (allegedly)!!!😂😆🤡
@originalmich,. I agree that the worst part of Harry statement was the revelation that the Royals agreed expressly to undermine the other phone hacking claimants’ cases and their ability to negotiate larger settlements. I only learned about it from Peter Hunt’s OMG tweet. Right now most publications are not touching it but I am hoping that soon, it will not be able to be ignored when, other hacking claimants start making a fuss.
I’ve been trying to figure out why there was so much vitriol towards Meghan and Harry even after Spare from the RF and some of the BP , which when you think about it was pretty mild compared to the allegations that Harry has made to the courts. Not that I agree with the vitriol, it just makes way more sense now… I’m honestly doubtful that the British people will change their minds about who the real bad guys are even in the midst of this damning news
The best and funniest part of all this for me is how little everyone thought of Harry and how completely they underestimated him. They discounted him, wrote him off, labeled him as unintelligent. And he’s proven himself to be the smartest, most strategic, and most successful of them all.
OK, get your popcorn and favorite still drink ready, because things are going to pop. Now let’s look at this, NONE of the papers have said Harry has lied or twisted things in his deposition. THAT is the thing to keep in mind. They have NOT denied the payoff to BULLYAM, all they have said is there is “no secret pact”, to which I cry bullsht. That is why we are seeing some negativity towards botox and BULLYAM. “look your honour, there is no secret pact we said nastyish things about the heir and his wife”.
The real way it’s going to pop now is, even if the judge is a tory and a monarchist and says Harry can’t go forward with his case, Harry has shot the lot of them down. We now know William can be bought, we know Charlie likes carrier bags and cases with cash in them. We know camzilla is a member of the borgia bloodline, but, if they try and sit Harry at the back, if they try and take the titles from Harry, Megan and the children THE KING AND BULLYAM are holed below the water line. Harry has opened the curtains and they can never close them again. Stripping the titles or sitting Harry at the back is going to reverberate around the world and the tremors will shake the foundations of the Palace. Some papers will try and paint a negative picture of Harry (whats new?)) but the WORLD media will be after the Royal scandals ever more
I will mix your metaphors up for you. Harry is loaded for bear, they are loaded for eff all
Your average bear is not friendly, the Yogi the park bear stuff was a lie
Also Smokey the bear. he was super cute when young and his momma got killed in a forest fire, but he could literally tear the face off you without breaking a sweat
I think loaded for bear is apt, but I rather like MPs ‘holed below the water line’. So evocative!
Do they have the heating pumpy things on your feet?
Those are important, they help your blood circulate because almost no one would volunteer to go to the hospital if they could actually walk
I bet you are already fast friends with all the nurses
Hi Mary Pester!! Seems you’re back to your feisty self today!
I wonder if this is going to result in the Sun and other tabloids turning on C&C, W&K and others in a big way? I would love to see them take a huge dump of salacious information once the gong-show crowning is over. Harry has exposed the quid pro quo sleazy relationship the BaRF has with the tabloids and the tabloids need click-bait revenue so why not go after them guns ablazing? They surely have a ton of ammunition.
Thoughts?
@jaded, hello my lovely. HELL YES, William has been caught, so the press can now take the gloves of where he is concerned. The press need to try and recoup some of the money they have paid out over the last lot of years because of phone hacking and false reporting. How they must now regret (just like Charlie boy) that they backed the wrong son. They have thrown everything and the kitchen sink at Harry, and Harry the warrior has caught it all now and thrown it right back at them. The press are going to have to start treading really carefully around Harry now, because they have realised that not only will he fight back and fight back hard, but Charlie chinless and BULLYAM are powerless to stop him. Oh dear, wonder what is going to come crawling out of the Royal sewer now, into the light of day.
Welcome back, Mary.So good to have you back and sounding like your remarkable self. Your insight into this whole shitstorm is spot on , so intelligent, so informed.
You and Harry, my two favorite warriors!!
The underhandedness of Harry’s father and brother is really astonishing — they were not only willing to make a deal behind Harry’s back, but the Queen’s back, too. Just think about the gall of that, to go against your mother ( and your sovereign)’s express wishes in order to try to smooth your own way to the throne.
And for what? William at least got an alleged settlement of millions for his betrayal, but Charles got… some tepid press for Camilla? It certainly didn’t stop people from balking at her being known as the queen. Arguably the best PR Charles ever had was walking Meghan down the aisle, and that certainly wasn’t the Sun’s doing.
“Arguably the best PR ever had was walking Meghan down the aisle…”
@Jay – I’ve thought that was a moment Charles could have chosen a different path, to ally with H&M, essentially draft off their popularity. People here talked along these lines a few years back, how a rising tide lifts all boats, etc. But, from what we know, easy to imagine Charles’ ego unable to handle not being considered the bestest and the mostest all by himself. Or, if the thought did cross his mind about building on his good Sussex wedding PR – indecisive as he reportedly is, it’s also easy to imagine Camilla, his solid gold advisors, and Will, all with their own agendas, whispering in his ear it was a bad idea. And H&M’s popularity during the Oceana tour, so reminiscent of Charles’ jealously about Diana’s popularity during their own tour, would have sealed the deal.
Oops! What’s also ironic is, after so many years of backroom dealing, sleazy behavior, etc. to help build up Camilla’s image, the two of them tore that apart themselves – and damaged anything positive from Charles’ time as a hard working POW – by their despicable behavior as soon as TQ died (many examples, not just how H&M were treated). They exposed who they really were, all by themselves, and I love that for them.
@Kaiser: I might be sending you a medical bill. “Queen Side Chick, first of her name” took me OUT and my side still hurts from laughing
Last week I wrote that something happened and the press stopped reporting on Charles. Well now we know why. I wrote “remember when they used to report on Charles all the time”.
It’s noticeable. I never really was into will and Kate because Charles provided more than enough. Then they started to call him stupid. He isn’t stupid. It was a cover and a dig.
I can see Murdock striking that deal.
Murdoch is powerful and no doubt has been extending his tentacles far and wide to influence the public against H&M, so the question is: Who Knew What, and When Did They Know It?
It appears many Brit talking heads may have known a lot about this for a while and openly played the game for Murdoch. This applies to so many in the media figures and outlets around the world, of course, including the U.S. What will be revealed in the future?
Just one silly example, was South Park caping for Murdoch?
I think the other talking heads just rode Murdock wave. They felt safe. They saw that piers was going overboard and no one did anything. It’s like they was auditioning for Murdock. Well I hope they collected enough money because most countries want nothing to do with those reporters.
This is atleast the second time South Park has did something for the british press. Is there an affiliation. Something seems off. Unless they just want to pander to Britain.
The Murdoch NY Post is ALWAYS writing negative Sussex stories.
I’m going through this with my sister but its worst. These people really get upset when you fight back. One of my cousins feel I slighted her and my sister started up with this!!
My sister is upset she can’t take credit for my work. She is older than me and has physically and mentally abused most of the family. She lied and said basically ” rackel abused my ex-husband i divorced in 2009 while she was in high school. so I moved away. I want to comeback now. When I move back you have to help me and never speak about me hurting anyone”. Of course she couldn’t just apologize and work it out. She had to use me. And no one fell for it. She killed all our relationships for nothing.
No one told me what she was doing. She slip and said something and I put the rest together. It really is a new start. I had to lose all hope in order to let her/them go.
Good on harry for not walking away and for getting his apology.
Rackel, that sucks. I hope in time you embrace the calm in your life away from the chaos, which it seems you sister sows. I think Harry might be there now. He has to know that this will likely create a wedge that can’t be traversed. It makes me think that although he hoped his book would at least get KFC (and Fails?) talking, he knew that wouldn’t happen.
I really believe that Harry considers this a war that must be won, and he will soldier on to accomplish that.
The one thing that helps is the thought that Harry & his security in the US DOES get intel, which the UK want to continue to deny him. America does not want anything to happen to the Sussexes here. Rather reassuring.
Thanks. Embrace the calm is the perfect word. I was and I’m still afraid that people can mess up my little spot. The way megan handled her father was a huge help. You can ignore people. And if the people around you care about you they won’t get bogged down in it.
Right now I’m alone but it’s better this way.
What an a–hole father. Mine is not half as rich as Chucky but he will gladly go to hell in a gasoline jacket for us. Poor Harry. He really got the booby price when it comes to a birth family.
What is disturbing is that when Murdoch became a part of the English in the UK, when he bought NOTW, he vowed to destroy the monarchy.
Then two future heirs, both considered themselves the entire monarchy, made deals with this man. To the extent to ‘punish’ their offspring/brother when he tried to seek justice from said owner.
Brooks was at the funeral of the late Queen, where Harry and his wife was treated horribly by the usual…
Without prejudice, it is about character and integrity….
I remember reading about Murdock threatening them with proof. I don’t see how William and chuck think that man will work for them.
Excellent point.
Who is the editor?
People has its priorities, the do not include fairness
for Harry over his father and brother.
I am astonished. I truly despite all the reporting and all the stories on this site did not want to believe that Charles does not love his sons, both of them, in his strange way. But this. This is like a Grimm‘s fairy tale where the father treats his children abhorrently to please the evil step mom. I just don’t get it. At all. How can you possibly do this to your child? After their phone was hacked and those responsible refused to apologize? How does that not make you furious?
One more thing…for years I’ve had this feeling that Harry would become king or Regent or something—I’m admittedly not sure what it would be called. My gut has been that if all the truth came to light, it would knock C and W off. I never ever would want harm to come to the Cambridge-Wales children. No! But I keep sending that Harry’s the right person, who at the right time will lead in a different way. Time will tell.
Harry’s first priority is his family: Meghan, Archie, Lili.
“I’ll always protect my family; now I have a family to protect.”
– Prince Harry, Oct 2019
For 36 years he was their “yes man,” by his own admission. He did as he was told and accepted less than he deserved and remained in that cult for his entire life. Until he met Meghan. He was so brainwashed that he even contemplated the heartache he would suffer if betty had said no to his request for permission to marry Meg……..the idea of leaving the cult to be with his one true love if he was denied permission to marry her never even entered his thought process.
And then he saw that history was on track to repeat itself, this time with his wife as their victim just as his mother was. He saw the writing on the wall and, as he said with his own mouth, he and his wife “fled for their life, in the night.”
So……..no. H wont be dropping everything to go take care of that nation full of ingrates if anything were to happen to chucky and bullyam.
H3LL TO THE NO!!!!!!
I think Andrew is next in line after H&M’s children, so he would step in until George was old enough to take the crown. Let’s hope that doesn’t happen.
@Saucy&Sassy: Harry is 5th. Archie and Lilibet are 6 and 7. Andrew is 8.
From your mouth to God’s ears. We can hope