WSJ: The Sussexes have low productivity & they are a ‘Hollywood flop’

The Wall Street Journal has another “exclusive” on the Duke and Duchess of Sussex, following WSJ breaking the news on the end of their Spotify contract and WSJ’s bizarre exclusive on the podcast ideas Harry pitched to Spotify. Given this new story and the previous exclusives, several things are clear. One, Spotify has an ax to grind with Harry & Meghan and they’re grinding that ax publicly, with a Spotify executive smearing them and various Spotify people openly speaking to WSJ. Two, Rupert Murdoch’s media empire is far-reaching and extremely focused on the Sussexes ahead of Prince Harry’s eventual civil trial against the Sun/News Group Newspapers in the UK. Both things are true in this case – NGN is going after the Sussexes in a huge way, and there’s no love lost between the Sussexes and Spotify. Behold, some highlights from WSJ’s “Harry and Meghan Produce a Hollywood Flop: Themselves.”

Last year, the Sussexes pitched a documentary idea to Netflix: The subject of endless rumors and gossip, the couple felt qualified to tackle the thorny topic of misinformation. A documentary would cement Harry and Meghan as serious creative types and help shed their reputation as exiles from the House of Windsor trading family dirt for eyeballs. A team assigned to the job at the pair’s Los Angeles-based production company, Archewell, had questions for “H” and “M,” as the Sussexes are known to their employees. Would the misinformation project be a feature film or a series? Who would host it? Would it be historical or contemporary? Would Harry or Meghan appear in it? Would Meghan discuss her bitter history with British tabloids—and if not, who would want to watch? The couple had few answers, according to people familiar with the inner-workings of Archewell and Harry and Meghan’s deals with streamers. The misinformation documentary soon met the fate of other Archewell projects, and faded away.

Will Netflix renew their deal in 2025? The graveyard of video projects they hoped to make includes an animated children’s show called “Pearl” that was canceled by Netflix, as well as at least two TV ideas that the streaming service rejected within the past year, people familiar with Harry and Meghan’s projects said. Netflix is unlikely to renew the couple’s deal, which runs through 2025, the people said… People who have worked with the pair say their Sussex-upon-Sunset outpost was undermined by their inexperience as producers and trouble finding material consistent with their brand, as well as problems beyond their control, including a retrenchment in the entertainment and podcasting businesses.

Archewell spoke to WSJ: An Archewell spokeswoman said, “New companies often make changes in their start up phase, both with people and strategy, and we are no exception. We’re more equipped, focused and energized than ever before.” She said the company recently hired a new head of scripted content, actress and producer Tracy Ryerson.

Netflix spoke to the WSJ: A Netflix spokeswoman said the company valued its Archewell partnership, and noted that “Harry & Meghan” was its biggest documentary debut. “We’ll continue to work together on a number of projects,” she said.

A changing business landscape: Today, streaming boom times have given way to an era of slower growth and unpredictability. Both Netflix and Spotify have cut shows and movies to trim costs. Both have been underwhelmed by the lack of productivity by the Sussexes, people familiar with their perspectives say. “Once you’ve launched your bombshell, what’s next?” said Andrew Morton, the longtime chronicler of the royal family. Archewell employees and associates say the company often lacks direction, and that its founders at times seem surprised by the work required to finish entertainment projects. Most potential initiatives, they said, follow a similar route: Big idea, subpar execution.

Is Netflix actually mad? Executives at Netflix have groused about Archewell’s output, according to people familiar with the matter, and feel that the success of the “Harry & Meghan” documentary is all the company has to show for the deal. Today, one Archewell project is nearing completion at Netflix: a documentary series on the Invictus Games, a tournament Harry founded for wounded veterans after serving two tours with the British Army in Afghanistan. Harry and Meghan are also developing a TV show for Netflix called “Bad Manners” based on Miss Havisham, a Charles Dickens character from “Great Expectations.” The prequel would recast the lonely spinster as a strong woman living in a patriarchal society, though it is unclear whether the show will get a green light from Netflix.

Archetypes’ rocky road: Meghan’s media productivity has largely been concentrated at Spotify, and the road to getting “Archetypes” on the air was rocky. When the Duchess first began working with the audio service, Archewell didn’t have an employee focused on audio projects, and instead, a public-relations representative initially led Archewell’s work with Spotify, people familiar with the company said. The audio company’s executives grew frustrated with the amount of time it took Archewell to conceptualize an idea for Meghan’s podcast and assemble a production team.

Ah, this explains WSJ’s exclusives: Ultimately, Archewell hired a head of audio, who worked in concert with members of Spotify’s Gimlet unit on podcasting ideas. The Gimlet team helped Meghan compile a list of potential guests, and Spotify helped build a podcast studio in the couple’s mansion, said people familiar with the situation. ( News Corp’s Dow Jones & Co., publisher of The Wall Street Journal, has a content partnership with Spotify’s Gimlet Media unit.)

Meghan wrote to Taylor Swift? Choosing the right kind of guest was often fraught. Meghan wrote Taylor Swift a personal letter asking her to come on the podcast. The pop star declined, through a representative. Meghan would often ask for changes late in the editing process, at times recruiting senior Spotify executives, including then-Chief Content Officer Dawn Ostroff, to call producers and push them to make changes.

Harry’s podcast ideas: He explored a podcast on veterans but couldn’t find a compelling way to tackle the subject in podcast form. He tossed around subjects such as misinformation and his point of view as someone new to living in America, and at one point considered co-hosting a show with comedian Hasan Minhaj.

[From WSJ]

So, with Netflix, it sounds like they signed a five-year producing-and-development deal and three years into the deal, they’ve had one very successful docu-series and they’ll have a second docu-series coming out this summer, plus they’ve made several pitches which have been rejected by Netflix, and then Netflix turns around and complains of their low productivity? I mean, again – I think it’s fair to say that Harry and Meghan should have been more productive in the past three years. Like, we can say “but Spare was a bestseller” and “the docuseries was a huge success” and that’s all true, but it’s also true that they simply should have been more productive (Harry especially).

It’s also fair to say that a good chunk of this was out of their hands. Some of these ideas sound interesting and worthy of exploration – a podcast about an outsider’s perspective of America and American culture? A podcast about fatherhood or childhood trauma? A docuseries about misinformation & the insidiousness of, say, something like News Group Newspapers? All of that sounds really interesting, so why were these pitches rejected by Netflix and Spotify insiders who are now publicly trashing them? It’s so weird. And WTF is that Taylor Swift story – like, OMG, Taylor Swift didn’t want to do a pod interview, it’s a signal that the Sussexes are a flop! GMAFB.

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  1. Sheyr says:

    I am getting seriously annoyed at the disturbing level of vitriol being flung at them.

    Nothing they have done justifies that. It’s scary how little pushback there is about this outright bullying.

    For God’s sake, just let the couple be. They are not a burden on the taxpayer. This is not organic – this relentless pressure. Constructive feedback is legitimate but not this.

    I wish there was something I could
    do to show my support.

    • Elizabeth says:

      I’m also a little tired of people saying that they were not productive enough. They signed their deals in 2020 in the middle of a pandemic. Meghan had a miscarriage and a baby and wrote a book. Harry has a job with Better-Up, had the Invictus Games, the Apple-TV series with Oprah, and wrote a best-selling memoir. It takes a long time to assemble projects, get them greenlighted, and then film them. Netflix canceled Meghan’s idea for an animated show. They produced the docuseries Harry & Meghan and that other series. For two people who have no experience producing, it is quite a lot. Also, they are concerned with quality, not quantity.

      • MsIam says:

        Netflix didn’t just cancel Meghan’s idea for her animated series, they eliminated their whole animation division, laying off dozens of people. The whole animation industry in Hollywood has been in flux ever since the pandemic with lots of folks out of work. if WSJ were an honest publication instead of a Murdoch rag, this would have been part of the story.

      • Hyacinth Bucket says:

        I‘m okd enough when the headlines were: „They’re overexposed, hence people are losing interest.“ 🙄

      • BlueNailsBetty says:

        Hard agree. Also, once again this is another article that makes up crap using alleged anonymous sources about what HM may or may not be doing.

        To say HM haven’t been productive enough, when we flat out don’t know what they are working on because no one from their team has told us, is journalistic garbage.

        We’ll know what they have been working on when the projects are announced. Until then, the rags, including the WSJ, are acting like fools.

      • Aurelia says:

        Netflix rightly does not care about their other commitments.

    • Rebecca says:

      Yes, the reaction to them is far more interesting than they are, imo.

    • Tan says:

      I’m doing my best (not great at it) to refuse to engage. I cannot deal with an Everest mountain of Murdoch run establishments, wellish wishers, side swipers, conspiracy theorists and derangers pile on the Sussexes after all the abuse and harassment they’ve been through. I also can’t deal with a royal family worth billions earning it by hundred year old marriages and war while sitting on their butts having their media dogs call the Sussexes who are basically privately self funded ppl lazy.
      The cheek of this all.
      And if I hear anymore but but buts from the “overly concerned” crowd I’m going to scream. It’s been like this since 2016 – I don’t need anymore evidence of racism, misogyny, classicism, mean girl stuff and a massive pile of lies and lawsuits. I don’t need more crap critiques of the Sussexes conducting business esp with their successful output and I don’t need to see wills and his bull cause of the year nor Kate’s pie charts or her never ending personality changes and their failure to launch campaigns.
      Covid taught me if the big wigs of corporations, the WHO and governments can lie about not needing masks early on for Covid to pretend there isn’t a global pandemic – they will lie about anything – including the fact we need a modern white monarchy and leaving the fold causing nothing but despair, distain, poverty, jealousy and isolation. I am so sorry for my rant 😖

      • Sunny O says:

        Great rant, Tan.

        I feel the same way,

      • Carrot says:

        @Tan nice rant, appreciated, do it more!

      • Christine says:

        I sincerely wonder about the future of journalism, that not ONE “journalist” hasn’t picked up this ball and run with it. Where are the Woodward and Bernstein of now? Connecting all the dots isn’t even hard, so why isn’t there one intrepid reporter who gives a fuck? This is insane, Harry and Meghan stay at home and produce blockbusters: podcast, docuseries, and book, and STILL this is the narrative.

        But sure, Willnot and Kitty are keen! And homelessness can be solved with 3.5ish million dollars.

        JFC. Let’s talk more about the Titan, instead of anything remotely resembling the shitstorm that Meghan has been under, for nearing a decade, at this point.

    • Wannabefarmer says:

      Join SussexSquad, support H&M causes, speak out about bullying whenever and wherever you see it?

      • Just me says:

        Yes! Give them support! – I have just started listening to the Audible version of Spare (It’s great by the way!) and supporting their projects is the thing to do. But as I said I hope they rise above it and continue doing good works, love one another and as Meghan was said to have proclaimed “Find your tribe and love them hard”. We should all do the same!

    • Just Me says:

      @Sheyr – I know we often “hover” over people we care about. But they should be unbothered and get on with their work. The GoGos said it best,😊 as to the detractors “… when you see them look right through them … it’s just a jealous game people play “

    • kirk says:

      “I am getting seriously annoyed at the disturbing level of vitriol being flung at them.” In my case that would include annoyance at this outlet, never mind how much I enjoy all (or most all) the commenters. My irritation at people who expect M-H to have done more, more, more, more despite having no skin in the game is extreme. I never gave Spotify any money for my free account despite enjoying Archetypes. Netflix did not gain an extra dime for my paid account despite enjoying Archewell produced content.

      “I wish there was something I could
      do to show my support.” In my case I decided to donate to the Equal Justice Initiative (Live to Lead, S1:E3 Bryan Stevenson, Netflix). I never heard of EJI or its founder prior to Archewell partnering with Nelson Mandela Foundation to produce this excellent series. M-H are great at highlighting good people and good things.

      Thanks for your comments Sheyr. I appreciate you.

  2. Pinkosaurus says:

    I have a concept for them and they don’t even need to credit me. How about a behind the scenes documentary of how they won millions suing Murdock’s trash tabloids for their years of lies? Hopefully Harry has a couple big wins before the five year development deal is done.

    • SaraTor says:

      I would love to see Meghan host a documentary series focused on how food brings us together, even in challenging situations like humanitarian crises. She could revisit Hubb Kitchen, travel to World Kitchen (which Archewell helps fund) locations in the Caribbean post-hurricane, and other projects. I saw Stanley Tucci on CNN talking to a beautiful restaurant in Italy staffed by refugees and migrants and thought immediately of Meghan.

  3. ThatsNotOkay says:

    The misinformation idea is timely and great. I’d love for that to gain steam again, either in podcast or series form.

    So it sounds like good ideas are fizzling somewhere. Is it that H&M lose focus and interest or don’t know how to land the plane? Or that Netflix and Spotify don’t assist or have real interest in the subject matter?

    Archwell is a new entity and neither H or M are experienced producers of ANY content so they’d need help. Either from the people they employed or their partners/distributors. Doesn’t sound like that happened.

    Finally, this sounds a lot like what happens with any development deal. You’re paid to come up with ideas, explore them, and the distributor or studio decides whether they want to go forward with them. If not, on to the next one. Perfectly normal. And it’s perfectly normal for deals that end up not being productive to not get renewed.

    • equality says:

      Spotify has Rogan. They are more interested in spreading misinformation than in exposing it.

      • bisynaptic says:

        This. A podcast about misinformation would constitute a conflict of interest for Spotiry.

    • Chloe says:

      Seeing as Meghan has decades of experience in this industry in am going to call bs on the claim that they lose focus/interest or are surprised by the amount of work that goes into scripted content. I know being an actress isn’t the same as being a producer but she has close friendships with people that are producers. And she had years of looking behind the scenes.

    • Mavsmom31 says:

      I wholeheartedly agree! Just a breakdown of the allegations in the current class action law suit would be fascinating or how the misinformation train works from nation state actors to private citizens.

  4. Aurora says:

    There was a pandemic and Meghan was on maternity leave.

    I wish that they could have just grabbed a mic and had interesting conversations with a few guests. Harry especially would have been great. A podcast doesn’t need to be so complicated.

    I think Meghan takes on complicated projects that require a lot of resources. Everyone forgets her animated series Pearl was scrapped. I would have advised her to start with something less expensive and time-consuming than animation.

    • Chloe says:

      I would love it if meghan would start making documentaries

    • MsIam says:

      Well evidently it is that complicated working with Spotify because they wouldn’t give the ok to the Sussexes ideas. That is obviously why Harry and Meghan didn’t want to renew the contract. Who would want to work with a company that vetoes all your ideas and then turns around and accuses you of being lazy for not producing enough content? It sounds like once Dawn Ostroff left, the Sussexes had no allies left at Spotify.

      • Ginger says:

        Agree. When all of your ideas are rejected what are you supposed to do? It sounds like a Harry was trying to produce a podcast and they kept vetoing his ideas. He does have a documentary coming out on Netflix this summer so it’s not like he is doing nothing…..I mean
        Spotify is so unprofessional.
        I’m glad they left.

        Also, didn’t a Netflix spokesperson say this past weekend that they are happy with their deal with H&M are producing various projects them? Someone is lying.

      • Tan says:

        @Ginger – when it comes to the Sussexes someone is alway lying

    • Concern Fae says:

      I hate to be terrible here, but signing $100M worth of deals and then having a baby and taking maternity leave is seen as profoundly unserious in the American business world. It isn’t being said publicly, because they had the right to make that choice, but I can assure you there was a lot of “what the fvck are they doing” behind the scenes.

      Show business is brutally nasty and cut throat, to the point where it actively reduces the quality of what is produced. For every show Archwell is proposing, there are many other production teams showing up ready to do the work.

      I love Harry and Meghan, but the clash between how they envision their lives and roles and the cutthroat workaholic world of content producing was always going to be an issue.

      • Slush says:

        I agree here, they didn’t/don’t seem to have urgency around fulfilling these contracts, particularly Spotify.

        It seems that there were mistakes made here all around, though. Spotify and Netflix overpaid, clearly. But that’s on them (S&N)- they knew H&Ms limitations in their lack of experience, they _should have known_ about the other deals and commitments H&M had, and they backed up the brinks truck anyway.

      • MsIam says:

        Six months ago, these same outlets were pushing articles about the Sussexes doing too much, being spread too thin, etc. Now all of a sudden (since the lawsuits were filed) they are lazy and being called unprofessional. Well unprofessional and lazy doesn’t normally produce award winning content. And the fact that none of this is coming from Netflix or Spotify officially is suspect. The article just said that Meghan was so hands on she requested edits right up until airtime on the podcast. And yet supposedly

      • Jaded says:

        @Concern Fae & Slush: That’s a feeble excuse. It’s not like Meghan disappeared off the radar like her useless sister-in-law when she had her kids. Meghan works with a team, not alone. They have offices and staff at their home that she would be working with during and after her pregnancies, and to infer that she doesn’t show up when other production teams do is nonsense. Netflix and Spotify aren’t “show business”, they’re a “media entertainment service”, and both are floundering right now. Dawn Ostroff was let go last January, some 600 people were terminated at Netflix and another 200 at Gimlet. THEY are the entities that are scrambling and losing money, and it’s not because of the Sussexes.

      • windyriver says:

        The fact that the Sussexes had no track record in production, and no production infrastructure in place, having walked away just months before from what they expected to be their permanent home and a completely different profession, didn’t stop either Netflix or Spotify from offering the contracts, though. So why not ask, WTF were the companies thinking?

        Note too, Meghan was already pregnant well before those contracts came to be in fall 2020 – her miscarriage was right after they moved to Montecito around July. So, another pregnancy was likely, and IMO chances are good they did discuss that prospect with both companies. The truth is, though, we have no information about anything to do with the contracts, including the true value. So we don’t know to what extent H&M may not have lived up to the expectations of the contracts. And that’s not considering what may have been pitched and turned down, because in the last couple of years, they’ve had experienced industry people on their team to help. Presumably, they weren’t paid for what they didn’t deliver, so the problem is? What we know is, in 2020, these companies were paying big bucks to grab prospective talent; as it turns out, without a clear idea of how that would be monetized. And in both cases – Spotify, which lost Dawn Ostroff and terminated staff at Gimlet and Parcast, among others, and Netflix, which axed it’s animation division – the playing field is different in 2023. So if H&M don’t fit with the current direction, moving on is the solution for all parties.

      • Nerd says:

        I don’t see where there was an issue. They put out less than someone who’s main job is to only do podcasts where they just interview people in person, while Meghan not only interviewed people about important topics that also included in-depth research and experts in the field of what they were discussing. Meghan’s podcast concept was entirely different and required more work and effort. The result of that was that her fewer podcasts still brought in record numbers and awards. Their productivity is evident in the fact that we can list their accomplishments before, during and after royal life. Productivity that also includes numerous accolades due to their success and hard work.

      • Snoozer says:

        It’s not terrible.

        These two have been unfairly maligned and bullied so much that many of the readers here have lost all objectivity and go into defence mode when they are fairly and reasonably critiqued. Sometimes it is fair to critique these two! And we should be able to do so without being ganged up on and called haters.

        If you sign 100M in content deals, you need to come to the table and be ready to WORK. Outside of initial tissue sessions, you can’t pitch half-assed ideas that aren’t fleshed out. Every pitch needs to be well thought out and you need to have answers / options for basic questions.

        If you need to take maternity / paternity leave, then you need to build a killer team first and have that team executing for you while you’re on leave. And if you’re on that kind of money then you need to be available some of the time even when you’re on mat leave. And mat leave definitely can’t last three years.

        I like H&M, I want them to succeed; but they had two huge opportunities here and they’ve largely wasted them. It is unlikely they’ll get deals this big again. There were so many opportunities here that were both on brand and entertaining. I can think of twenty ideas just off the top of my head. Why on earth didn’t they immediately build a killer production team around them to help them do this (since they are inexperienced)? And not just a talented team; but a team able to stand up to them and tell them when they’re wrong.

        I’ve pitched Spotify for podcasts before, and we went in with no less than 50 ideas. One-pagers initially; but with really solid thinking behind each of them that could be delved into. We made 5 of those in 2 years and they charted well and won awards. We had nothing even close to Archewell’s budget. The tiniest fraction of their budget. And we weren’t paid to pitch.

        Honestly, their output is terrible. I said what I said.

        I hope that with Ari Emmanuel on staff now they will build the right team and have people who are able to tell them when they’re not doing enough or getting it wrong. Because I would really like to see them succeed.

    • KFG says:

      Harry was super productive. He has travelyst, betterup and invictus. Trying to convince a group who just wants gossip to support an indepth look at misinformation isn’t going to fly. Plus putting together a book, hit podcast, children’s book and having 2 kids while investing in companies takes a lot of work and time. And when H&M do something, they do it well. Spotify is mad that they lost Archetypes.

      • Slush says:

        All of that is great for H&M, but few of those things count against the fulfillment of their contracts with Spotify and Netflix. Pointing out that they were busy elsewhere (betterup, travelyst, the book, kids) isn’t the defense people seem to think it is.

      • Sobiewski says:

        @slush Actually it is a logical and extremely appropriate defense for those who are rationally minded. People (gossip rags) are calling them lazy. The fact that they have an inordinate number of other ongoing profitable projects not connected to their spotify and netflix contracts is an explicable and logical refutation of the narrative that is being spouted by bm currently which is that they are not doing anything. I see the H&M haters are out in full regalia today in cb’s comment section. smh

      • Slush says:

        SOBIEWSKI- I never called them lazy.

        I am commenting specifically on their Netflix and Spotify contracts.

        I encourage you to go to your boss and say “hey I didn’t get my work done for you, but you can’t be mad because I spent my time doing work for my other job, so I was working (just not for you)” and see how that goes for you.

      • Becks1 says:

        I guess I’m confused about what else people are expecting from them. Apparently their ideas at Spotify weren’t accepted, even with Archetypes being a huge success. they have put out two documentaries on Netflix, one they were very involved with making obviously and the other they were EPs, and they have a third documentary coming out this year.

        For Netflix especially, what else were people thinking they were going to do? Three projects in 3 years seems pretty good for Netflix, considering that one of those projects was the most successful docuseries on Netflix.

      • Slush says:

        To be very clear- I think two things can be true. Netflix and Spotify had unrealistic expectations, and H&M overextended themselves.

        You’ll see down-thread I lay out my opinions on where Spotify and Netflix made mistakes here.

        I think it’s unreasonable to say I hate H&M because I am saying they made missteps. Even Kaiser said they made some mistakes. Nobody is perfect including H&M.

      • Becks1 says:

        Again, though, you aren’t saying what you think H&M should have done. They’ll have put out three projects on Netflix by this summer, after signing 3 years ago. How is that not productive? How are people slamming that as them not producing enough?

        Netflix seems happy with them, Murdoch smears aside, so I don’t know why some on here are so hell bent on making it seem like the Netflix deal was a disaster.

      • Slush says:

        Becks- I would say that they shouldn’t have taken on the Spotify contract, or ended that relationship much sooner. If all H&M and Spotify have created together is 12 episodes of 1 podcast after 3 years, with 20-something million dollars dedicated to the effort, there was a clear misalignment, likely from both sides.

        For the future, I would say I hope they have learned what went wrong here and can use those lessons to improve as producers.

      • MsIam says:

        @Slush, I don’t think its unreasonable to think you have a bias against the Sussexes because of your argument that the Sussexes didn’t fulfill the Netflix contract when we don’t even know the benchmarks and terms of said contract. Neither does the WSJ. And its interesting to note, and I believe its been said herebefore that Shonda Rhimes who signed a contract with Netflix in 2017 did not bring her first show to air until 2020. And she had over 10 years of experience with her own production company. Harry and Meghan brought a show to air in two years from a brand new company. As for Spotify, their “sources” allegedly said they could not come to an agreement on content. Nothing to do with quantity but on what that content was supposed to be about. So the Sussexes moved on like people do everyday. The fit wasn’t right. Now for Spotify to bad mouth the Sussexes? They would hear from my lawyers.

      • Snoozer says:

        Yeah I don’t see any of that as an excuse. They were being paid millions and millions of dollars. If they had planned and executed better they would have built a rock solid team around them that would have taken up a lot of the slack and done the bulk of the work. It’s not like they were expected to do all of the work themselves! You shouldn’t accept deals of that size if you don’t have the capacity to fulfill them. In the end your inability to do so just reflects poorly on you and makes future deals more difficult.

        And spreading yourself too thin on other projects outside of the scope of the very expensive deal you’ve signed is not an excuse that’s going to fly. Either build a team to help you fulfill all of your obligations; or don’t sign up to so much stuff simultaneously. In the end, it’s still on you.

        One can want them to succeed and still be fairly and reasonably critical of their genuine errors. No one is perfect. They are not victims in this instance. This is worthy of critique and discussion. I hope they learned a lot of lessons and do better in the future.

        And, honestly, Spotify and Netflix are deserving of a lot of critique too. These deals were way too big for their level of experience. Netflix cancelled a bunch of fantastic shows right when they announced their Sussex deal. Spotify’s mega deal tactics were based on bad business strategy.

        Real content creators with proven experience and fantastic concepts missed out because of these kinds of deals. Small people with brilliant content. That’s what really gets me.

        Both platforms should have started the Suxesses off with smaller deals first. Let them build experience and prove themselves before going all in. They deserve critique and there are a lot of articles out there heavily critiquing both platforms for these kinds of deals. They’re just not reported on here.

      • Christine says:

        “To be very clear- I think two things can be true. Netflix and Spotify had unrealistic expectations, and H&M overextended themselves.”

        How did Harry and Meghan overextend themselves? Harry pitched podcast ideas that were shot down, which, at this point, feels like idiocy, since there is nothing Harry and Meghan do that doesn’t have a world-wide appetite. See also: Every bit of this bullshit article.

        Netflix got rid of their animation department, and there is a Invictus docuseries in the hopper.

        I’m starting to wonder if my entire life has been dictated by Rupert Murdoch, because this is insane.

  5. equality says:

    If the outlets wanted more content, they should have green-lighted more projects. H&M hired experienced personnel, so where were their ideas? The only thing that makes sense is that the outlets only wanted the personal projects like the documentary. Do “flops” produce a podcast that tops the most-listened to on the outlet or win awards? Do “flops” have a book that is still on the best-seller list and broke records? Do “flops” have the biggest documentary debut on Netflix?

    • Mary Pester says:

      @equality yep, it’s a case of “give us your ideas”, then “nah we are going to veto all of them”,. It’s not Megan and Harry who are out of ideas, it’s these bloody company’s that fail to have the imagination to help carry these forward with them
      The bullying and misinformation has to stop

      • Salto says:

        You think Netflix should have carried the Putin idea forward?

      • equality says:

        @Salto You are assuming that PH really did float that idea. And why not anyway? Isn’t that why the FBI interviews criminals, to understand and stop them? Could be historically significant at the least. And plenty of others interview (and air or publish) less-than-savory characters all the time.

      • BeanieBean says:

        I’ve had those days/weeks at work. None of my ideas are acceptable sometimes. Makes it hard to come in to work. You hire me for my expertise then reject everything I say? Different type of work, I understand, but Meghan & Harry have my sympathy. And I think this is more typical in their industry any way. Sometimes it’s a wonder anything ever makes it to the screen or ‘airways’.

      • Sobiewski says:

        People keep trying to make fun of the Putin idea but who wants to watch, read or listen to the same boring drivel. I would click off 2 seconds flat if it is the same boring mundane show. A show that had something strange and different like a deep dive into the psyche pf a controversial figure like putin would make me watch just because I would want to see what he says and what is uncovered. Has no one ever watched 60 minutes? It is the modus operandi of 60 minutes to do this exact thing and why the show has stayed as popular as it has all of these years. So I don’t get the mockery being made of that idea. I have no idea if it true or untrue btw that Harry made that pitch. I just find the mockery odd, non-sensical and unimaginative.

    • Slush says:

      I think it’s possible that these deals were just bad on Spotify and Netflix’s behalf. They over paid and now they’re complaining about it.

      H&M we’re never going to do a weekly podcast (say what we will about Joe Rogan, but he turns out a ton of content to sell ads on), and they didn’t have producing experience (Harry especially, and if M has any, it’s not at the $100m level).

      So Spotify and Netflix paid a premium for the H&M brand, not for experience, and now they’re holding that against H&M when they all went into these deals with eyes wide open.

      • hangonamin says:

        ^this. they wanted the star power, but didn’t think through the execution of it and how much resources/production are needed to help two novice producers. u really need a large team. this isn’t all on H&M, but behind the scenes and adjacent to hollywood experience that Meghan has as an actress is very very different in producing content. you need ideas, but u also need to figure out how to execute it well. i think both of them have great ideas, but they need the guidance of what is feasible, what is not going to cost an arm and leg, and what is going to have longevity.

      • equality says:

        I have no experience producing, but it would seem to me that even just using H&M as guests on various podcasts would have brought attention since any time they speak it is so widely reported.

      • hangonamin says:

        @equality. you’re absolutely right there. they have the ability to pull in audiences. but i think they really need a great team to execute their ideas. and someone to help them build that team. the pull/attention is there, but u can’t get audiences to care if the content that ends up being put out there is not quality or there’s no clear way to put it out there well. from my understanding in talking to ppl in entertainment, there are great ideas floating out there all the time that don’t come to fruition bc either ppl pass bc it’s too expensive, or there’s not clear plan on how to getting it made or made well and no one wants a project sitting half finished bc that’s just not good business. Netflix and Spotify signed two smart, charismatic people with a platform but didn’t consider how to help them achieve their visions. they saw $$$ but didn’t have a plan for H&M is what i think happened.

      • equality says:

        Meghan put out a quality podcast. Obviously, they do know how to do so. I think Spotify dropped the ball in not using them efficiently. Spotify seems more interested in quantity and BS (hence Rogan) over quality and inspiration (hence no more H&M or Obamas). Netflix doesn’t seem to be having a problem (and haven’t said they are despite the tabloids trying to put words in their mouth). They had a very successful documentary and are working on an Invictus documentary. For a small company, that seems like productivity and attention to quality.

      • Slush says:

        “Spotify seems more interested in quantity and BS (hence Rogan) over quality and inspiration (hence no more H&M or Obamas).”

        This exactly. That’s what I meant by “a bad deal” – podcasts are a volume game- the more episodes, the more ads you can sell, the more the exclusive use of one service (Spotify, Stitcher, etc) makes sense for listeners. Spotify, in my opinion, made a mistake with these mega deals that were never going to churn out weekly content. To be clear, that’s not the fault of the Sussexes or Obamas. It’s Spotifys own misunderstanding of the podcast industry, IMO

      • hangonamin says:

        @Slush that’s true, podcasts are numbers game in the way you’re describing. but I think where these streaming platforms dropped the ball is placing a lot of expectations on novice producers (can’t deny this bc they haven’t produced much before these deals) without an action plan. i think both H&M will come into their own as producers, but it’s not gonna be an overnight thing. even the most seasoned producers had a period of growing (bad ideas, good ideas but hard to execute or too expensive, good ideas but no longevity etc) and H&M just started a foundation and were hiring staff. they’ll be ok in the long run, but these networks saw $$ and didn’t see logistics with their expectations.

      • Slush says:

        HANGONAMIN -100%. Mistakes were made all around, IMO.

        Anyone putting this squarely on H&Ms shoulders are really ignoring the duty Spotify and Netflix had to protect their own interests and mitigate risk. They are huge orgs with hundreds of financial analysts, business leaders, and lawyers. They aren’t little businesses they got fleeced.

    • Gaaah says:

      That Putin idea was unrealistic and the idea of a novice. No way was he getting that interview and Putin would never reveal himself if you know anything about him. Harry needs to get out of the “abusive childhood” thing and produce new ideas. So many ppl I know that supported H&M now are tired of their schtick. They need to run like a real production company and get other ideas from other sources and get their production staff on it. They need to go to a new well for ideas. I like them a lot and I worked in the entertainment business so they need to get a better team if they don’t want to be without contracts.

  6. Dee(2) says:

    This is inconsistent. Netflix is mad according to their source but not according to the actual spokesperson for Netflix. And I think we can agree at this point Spotify is is trying to lay that they didn’t leave us we left them narrative for when archetypes pops up at another platform probably later this summer. Also disagree that they should have produced more. This sounds like they have done a DocuSeries, two documentaries unless we’re not counting live to lead, would have done animated series of Netflix hadn’t axed that entire division, and have another show that’s coming up. So the production of five things in two and a half years isn’t enough? What’s the standard then? Because Netflix takes two and three years in between seasons of shows all the time so I’m not sure why them having three or four shows in two or three years is a bad thing?

    • Chloe says:

      I will say that the promo for live to lead was lacking but i am putting that blame on Netflix. I feel like they should have done way more than tweet about it a couple of times.

  7. SussexWatcher says:

    Pure projection once again. Is it Harry and Meghan who have a track record of “Big idea, subpar execution” or Peggy and Keen? Which couple is surprised by the amount of work huge projects take? Peggy is constantly telling us something is going to be his life’s work to solve – peace in the Middle East, racism, the environment, and now homelessness – and then we never hear about it again.

    Harry and Meghan have a track record of completed projects and initiatives because they do the work quietly before announcing anything. The Sussexes are a couple who know how to organize the big projects.

    Plus, all the quotes from this article sound exactly like all of the British tabloid trash articles about the Sussexes (and other royals). Quotes from unnamed “people familiar with their perspective/the company” are littered throughout the article. That could mean anyone! Any Netflix subscriber could be said to be familiar with the company.

  8. ana says:

    it’s a murdoch paper so of course it’s going to be negative. harry keeps suing him very very publicly.

    and agreed – no one else gets this type of pushback and its awful to see this type of nonsense in american papers, but also – drawing more attention/clicks to it does not help – so much better if it is fully ignored. just watch their things on netflix again or re-listen to her podcast

    • Julie says:

      Tell me about it. At this rate i’m going to run out of newspapers to get the news from. I feel like every single one of my legitimate avenues have been snarkier and snarkier towards H&M.
      i’m not surprised about the Murdoch papers but even the Guardian is being unsupportive lately. It feels like Celebitchy is the only safe place left on the net other than the squad on twitter.

      The squad has done so much heavy lifting to inform people that the WSJ is a murdoch paper but the WSJ still holds a lot of credibility in the eyes of those who do not follow royal news.

      This turn around of the American media is so disheartening. I cant imagine what Meghan is going though, she barely survived the bullying in the British press but at least there it could be dismissed as tabloids, but to go through this again and on home ground, first bloomberg and now the WSJ.

      • Tessa says:

        Also piers writes for the ny post.

      • WiththeAmericann says:

        WSJ should be disclosing that their parent company is being sued by Harry on these articles.

        I agree about the snark against H and M it’s everywhere now and yet oddly there is nothing negative about Kathy except on forums or here.

        Bring back net neutrality so we can find independent sources that aren’t toeing this colonist crap.

      • Christine says:

        THIS, WiththeAmericann.

  9. Flowerlake says:

    Swifties were dragging Meghan yesterday on Twitter.
    Probably because they thought Taylor was going to be attacked for saying no, even though I did not see any of the Sussex Squad starting shit.

    Oh well, must be a nice break from their usual fights with Gaga, Rihanna and Beyoncé fans.

    • Dee(2) says:

      That fanbase is always dragging black women, weren’t they into it with Sza fans too about her album knocking Midnights out of the top spot or something? Her fanbase can be incredibly racist but people just want to whistle past the graveyard on that I guess.

      • Flowerlake says:

        I don’t know what happened with Sza, but I wish they would just have thought for a moment that it is probably Murdoch or his pals planting these stories in an attempt to get more people to hate Meghan.

        Swifties were beefing with football fans recently too, about who had bigger audiences in stadiums or something.
        So it was Messi fans vs Ronaldo fans vs Swifties, which was a bit weird to see.

      • Lux says:

        Her fanbase is known to be nuts. That’s why TS refrained from publicly criticizing Trump for so long. Also why she kept silent on the Aryan princess thing until she couldn’t, which was the most bizarre move as anyone with a brain would be quick to distance themselves from that.

        I have no issue with her declining to be a guest on Archetypes, but her fans are saying she’s Team William because she sang a Bon Jovi song with him. Must suck to have a fan base that just answers and makes assumptions on your behalf, although she listens to them more often than not (see: M Healy).

    • MsIam says:

      Why would Swift fans be mad at Meghan? She invited Taylor to be on her podcast and Taylor said no. Notice the article doesn’t mention why Taylor said no. It could be a scheduling conflict since Taylor was prepping for an album and tour. But again Murdoch rags are always presenting a slant. There were probably other people Meghan wanted and they couldn’t make it work due to timing, interest, etc.

      • Flowerlake says:

        It’s fandom Twitter.
        People are fighting over even more random things than this.

        Murdoch seems to be an expert at getting people to hate Meghan anyway.

  10. Snuffles says:

    I think they are being treated unfairly. The expectations for them are unreasonably high. How long did it take Shonda Rhymes or the Obamas to develop their projects? I think Shonda took even longer to develop Bridgerton and that was a smash hit.

    That said, I can believe that Archewell is going through a steep learning curve and it’s taking them a while to get up to speed and to find and build a team that can help them develop all of their ideas because they lack the experience and know how to do it themselves. And they are GREAT ideas.

    This is where WME can come in and connect them with the right people and help them shepherd their projects to fruition.

    I also believe that people at Spotify and Netflix were pushing ideas at them that they didn’t agree with or didn’t suit their brand. Especially Spotify. And they’re pissed. The nice interpretation of this is that they weren’t a good fit and there are plenty of other media outlets out there that would be a better match. Again, something WME can help them with.

    That said, between this and the BS I saw on TMZ this weekend, it’s clear that Murdoch has activated his entire media empire to attack the Sussexes. They’re not even being subtle about it.

    • Dee(2) says:

      That’s exactly what I was saying It’s a preposterous metric. The Obama’s signed their dealing 2018 and have produced 11 shows including two based around Michelle’s book tours. The Sussexes have done four or five since December of 2020 and that shows that they don’t have the same production dedication? I’m sure Archewell is going through growing pains which every single business does, why when it happens to the Sussexes it’s evidence of incompetence beats me. Just like the parsing of every single thing they say to find the one thing that may have conflict to prove that everything is a lie, everything that they do must be an absolute midas touch perfection from beginning to end or else it’s a failure?

      • WiththeAmericann says:

        A lot of this reads like Spotify and Murdoch putting words into Netflix mouth to blame H and M for industry changes that have burned the wealthy media owners.

        Frankly, those outlets wanted to make bank from Obama and Sussex popularity, but also wanted Rogan type content pushed out daily. Well, the two don’t go together.

        funny how Murdoch isn’t focusing his papers on Rogan taking $120m for a crappy product that is killing people.

    • Salto says:

      Wasn’t signing with WME supposed to put all the media on notice? Why isn’t Ari stopping these articles? From AMERICAN press…. Not the rota.

      • Jais says:

        Yeah, an American newspaper that is run by Murdoch.

      • Dee(2) says:

        No signing with WME means you get nuanced and reasonable articles in THR and Variety, and Washington Post. Suing Rupert Murdoch means that you get slammed in WSJ, Fox News, NY Post and online only aggregators like Decider.

    • Jaded says:

      Exactly. This is Murdoch media manipulation to get back at the Sussexes and nothing more. When you combine numerous project ideas being shot down with the fact that both Netflix and Spotify are in a financial tailspin right now you have a perfect storm — hundreds of people being terminated, dozens of projects being cancelled, top executives bailing, so what’s the logical coverup? Let’s blame Meghan and Harry!!

  11. Denise says:

    Sooooo they’re all criticising Sussexes for their work ethic while Keen and Brother Can’t are just there, pillars or monarchy?

  12. Ginny says:

    “Archewell employees and associates say the company often lacks direction, and that its founders at times seem surprised by the work required to finish entertainment projects.”

    First, not sure what to think about Archewell employees and associates talking about the company for this story. I want to hope and believe that the experience of working at Archewell is a positive one that wouldn’t drive someone to leak to a negative story, but I also don’t think the WSJ would blatantly make up a source. I wish there were at least some supporting quotes to flesh out this statement. I’m sure Archewell employees have to sign a pretty airtight NDA, though, right?!

    Second, “surprised by the work required to finish entertainment projects”? I don’t exactly buy this; Meghan literally worked in entertainment for years and at least knows how the sausage of a scripted series is made! I could see them being surprised to learn the inner workings of media unfamiliar to them, but this seems like a weird dig.

    Overall, I have a hunch this is a classic case of too many irons in the fire. One company trying to do a lot of different things. I expect that, with time and growth as leaders of their own company, Harry and Meghan will learn to more tightly focus their activities.

    • Snuffles says:

      “ Overall, I have a hunch this is a classic case of too many irons in the fire. One company trying to do a lot of different things. I expect that, with time and growth as leaders of their own company, Harry and Meghan will learn to more tightly focus their activities.”

      I can believe that too. It’s been a hectic 3 years and they probably felt the need to take on too much so they could raise capital and get themselves established. It’s OK to take a beat, reevaluate and narrow their focus.

      • Sue E Generis says:

        In the end, I think it all boils down to this. They were scrambling for a while because of events – constant moving, unexpectedly losing security, babies – all while under relentless, daily attack.

        Now they’re at a point where they’ve tried a bit of everything, established a foothold, learned some things. So they can re-evaluate and focus on what works for them.

  13. moderatelywealthy says:

    Spotify has done this before. Immediately after Joe Budden left the plataform, they started an obvious campaign against him. digging details contained in court documents on his split with a former girlfriend. They did some light version of this with the Obamas too.

    I disagree about their low productivity. Benioff and Weiss signed with Netflix a good half a year before Meghan and Harry and all they produced so far was a movie and a series already cancelled. Ryan Murphy and Shonda Rhymes already came with their whole careers behind them and production team. The Sussexes are new to the game.

    My advise to them is to continue not responding to all this articles and working on their thing. They are transitioning from telling their story- to great success- to telling others and doing work not attached to their past. They have to keep their head above the water and I like they are simply not engaging with this campaiggn.

  14. Ocho says:

    I think any paper with a connection to a tabloid being sued by Harry should fully disclose their conflict of interest. Putting this article in the WSJ gives it a veil of legitimacy, but the WSJ is just another Murdoch outlet.

  15. Islandgirl says:

    Not sure why all these stories are coming now?
    However their initial deals went they had massively successful projects, and Meghan just signed with WME. Their future is bright.
    I would have been concerned if these stories had come before, but Meghan, at least, has already moved on to bigger and better things.
    So maybe they know that she has become ‘untouchable ‘ but are still trying to muddy the waters?

    • May says:

      While I agree with Kaiser that some of this is because of Harry’s lawsuits I really think that a lot of these smear campaigns are meant to accomplish something in the very short term. I was wondering if this recent barrage of hate, especially coming from and about the entertainment industry, is meant to undermine any chances of H&M being nominated for an Emmy. After all, an Emmy nomination would counter much of the Hollywood Flop narrative.

  16. Brassy Rebel says:

    It’s clear that moving to the states has not insulated them from the smear machine and its insidious campaign. I think there needs to be more aggressive pushback besides paper statements from spokespeople. It won’t take much more of this to do serious reputational damage to their brand.

  17. JCallas says:

    The Sussexes have never produced content before so I’m not surprised there were problems. Even experienced producers have produced flops. Netflix & Spotify should have worked out a plan before throwing money at them.

    WSJ is Murdoch owned so of course they will put a negative spin on everything.

    WME would not have signed Meghan if she was a flop.

  18. Jais says:

    So they’ve been productive. Just not productive enough. They should’ve been more productive. Insinuation that they’re not working hard enough or don’t really know what they’re doing. Okaaaay. Cool cool cool. Deep breath. I’m gonna sit back and watch bc I have a feeling there is more coming and this article will be an obsolete footnote.

  19. GrnieWnie says:

    I think they should do a docuseries on misinformation. There’s lots of research on it and lots of directions they could go in. The Johnny Depp/Russia bots? Interference in elections? QAnon? And then how it all feeds into the British press and vice versa.

    Or how about the role of the British press in Brexit, politics, and the royal family? Just unpack the relationships. I’ve read a few studies already on the relationship between the press and Brexit outcomes; those who read tabloid stories were more likely to vote to exit.

    They could also focus on a social media takedown…the history of social media giants acquiescing to authoritarian governments or the misinformation campaign on Facebook that gave rise to the Rohingya genocide and other events.

    They’ve got a rich tapestry to mine when it comes to misinformation. This could be research-backed and really informative.

    • Tina E says:

      I completely agree! This I would love to see and I actually think people would watch. It’d be sort of like a mix of the podcast You’re Wrong About the Explained series on Netflix, both which were very successful.

      Throw in some education on media literacy and you’ve got a series the world REALLY needs right now. Harry can be in it but doesn’t have to be. I almost feel like he shouldn’t so people don’t immediately question his motives (even though they are noble).

      • Snuffles says:

        I would LOVE it if they did a program on media literacy. Something that could be shown at school and with textbooks or work books. Something communities and organizations could utilize.

  20. MsIam says:

    Murdoch money at work. These are the people that wanted to overturn a legal election so not surprised they are turning their machine on the Sussexes. And I don’t believe that Meghan who has been in the industry for almost twenty years would be surprised at how much work is involved in bringing projects to fruition. Harry wouldn’t be either considering he’s been working with Invictus for ten years. This is a hit piece pure and simple.

  21. MoBiMom says:

    My suspicion is that the timing is related to Williams’s big announcement about how he will be curing homelessness in the next five years (he needs something to do after curing racism just by being bored with it). Harry and Meghan…. lazy and incompetent with sub-par ideas; Peg….statesmanlike leader and future king, bravely leading Great Britain into the future. As always, it’s opposite day on the salty isle.

    • Tessa says:

      And kates so called efforts with early years and her tennis playing stunt at wimbledon.hard work for keen.

    • MsIam says:

      Nobody in America cares about William and Kate, outside of will they get a divorce. This is about those lawsuits against the media.

      • Nanny to the Rescue says:

        I believe this too. You can’t really win against the media. Harry can prove all the wrongdoing and tank one giant, but there’s five waiting in line to take that spot. And the war begins anew, just with the individual drained from the previous one and the media all fresh and ready to rock. Like Hydra, cut one and get three more. Plus newspapers will cover each other’s back even if they’re competition. So it’s one of the toughest battles to fight. I applaud Harry for his bravery but I’m not optimistic in the long run.

  22. Tessa says:

    I notice an increase of bots on social media spreading propaganda and going back to spreading gossip from years ago. And all the poor tom ma r k l e posts. Downright creepy.

  23. Lili says:

    They Signed in 2020 the begining of the pandemic which was world wide. Sure grab a mic and talk to guests, a la rogan, this is why there is so much misinformation coming from his his show. I watched a couple of his shows when they were on youtube and yes i was introduced to some interesting people, ut i dont watch it consistentenly. I listened to trevors show when it was on luminary and he had themes every episode which were infomative , but also not an every week show. meh why am i jumping in to push back . they are working doing well interacting and producing stuff.

  24. Southern Fried says:

    Who owns the WSJ is the big tell here. Since when is a Murdoch publication not telling lies? As for Spotify, they desperately wanted a royals gossip podcast but H&M refused. Are Spotty and Netflix trying to place blame to avoid admitting they’ve made some wrong moves business-wise? Such as ungodly $$$ to Joe the assh*ole.
    I have a feeling H&M do have good ideas and are working on them as we speak and we also know their projects are kept undercover until they are completed or nearly so.

  25. Magick Wanda says:

    Of course the WSJ says that. It’s Murdoch-owned.

    • Salto says:

      Bloomberg says it too.

      • Snuffles says:

        Bloomberg is Mike Bloomberg’s outlet and he is working with Prince William on his projects. Always know the source of your news and the potential conflicts of interest. It’s called media literacy.

      • equality says:

        Bloomberg is trying to compete with the richer Murdoch. If he sees this strategy as successful for Murdoch, he is likely to parrot it instead of thinking for himself.

      • Agreatreckoning says:

        The same Mike Bloomberg that’s a friend of Murdoch. The same Mike Bloomberg that Murdoch called NYC’s greatest mayor. The same Mike Bloomberg Murdoch was pushing to run for president. nothing to see there. /s

    • Jaded says:

      Exactly. Since he bought the WSJ it’s gradually morphed into a right-wing, elitist and Trumpist venue for his ultra-conservative views. Here’s a lengthy but really informative article from the Columbia Journalism Review on the WSJ and Murdoch’s unethical journalism. https://www.cjr.org/special_report/breaking_right_wall_street_journal_stubborn_murdoch.php

  26. LaurenAPMT says:

    My husband is in the entertainment business, and let me tell you… it practically takes an act of God to present an idea, film a pilot/sizzle reel, and get green-lighted for a show/documentary to proceed.
    I don’t think it’s fair to say the Sussexes haven’t been productive enough, because it sure seems like they’re trying to be. It is a brutal process, and perhaps they showed a lot of confidence early on that they could produce X amount of projects, but the reality of the industry is tough and tons of great ideas don’t pan out.

    • Snuffles says:

      Exactly. And anyone working in the industry knows this and won’t hold it against the Sussexes. Especially since everything they DID put out were roaring successes.

      The only people who are buying this spin are people who don’t get this. And the haters.

    • Eurydice says:

      This, exactly. And before you can even get to the passable/good/great ideas, you have to plow through a bazillion bad ideas. There’s nothing wrong with bad ideas – they’re part of the conversation – but, I wonder if there was enough conversation and collaboration going on between the parties.

  27. Amy Bee says:

    According to the royalists and British press this piece was scathing but it seems like with every new business there has been some growing pains and set backs. One thing they can’t say that the projects they have put out were failures. It seems like they have a lot of good ideas but they haven’t been greenlit. The inclusion of Pearl was without context as that project was in pre-production when Netflix axed it. Harry and Meghan can’t be faulted for that.

    • MsIam says:

      They thought South Park was “scathing” too. Idiots.

      • Julie says:

        South Park was more than scathing, it was brutal and i hold it responsible for the avalanche of bad press that H&M have had this. It made it OK for US media to make fun of H&M

      • Snuffles says:

        @julie

        South Park skewers everyone. No one takes them seriously. And, breaking news, no public figure is immune from mocking. Unlike the rest of the royal family, they aren’t expecting and demanding deference.

  28. North of Boston says:

    A while back when the Sussexes started adding more content generation and production staff, resources into Archewell, I was a bit surprised, thinking they’d already partnered with Spotify and Netflix and surely those companies would already have that expertise, staff or could hook Archewell up with production teams they’d worked with before.

    But now it makes more sense, it sounds like Spotify particularly wanted Archewell to have that staff, expertise in place and begrudgingly hung around while the Sussexes staffed stuff up and got their footing. And then there was a giant disconnect between what a Rogan-tent-poled Spotify was interested in putting out there and the content, themes Archewell and the Sussexes were interested in working on. Netflix is a whole other situation, as they’ve pivoted a lot over the last year RE production generation (dropping in house animation production and moving away from big-name big-dollar flashy contracts).

    But in both cases NONE of it is unusual in media, Hollywood. Big names form production companies, partner with studios, channels, services and then move on after a couple of years as business models shift, disconnects in themes, content of interest develop, etc.

    What went on behind the scenes with these deals, and Archewell production getting off the ground is in theory an interesting subject, but this is the media equivalent of the “exclusives” that came out after Harry and Meghan’s wedding “she made Kate cry” “she tried to kill Charlotte with poison flowers” “Harry scolded staffers who told Meghan no”: Either completely normal behind the scenes stuff spun in the most inflammatory, negative way possible… eg Meghan had a mix of flowers … just like Kate and every other royal bride, nothing malicious or unusual about it, or complete lies, misrepresentations that took something that happened eg Meghan and Kate had a moment and someone cried, and twisted it with a false narrative.

  29. S808 says:

    How much content are they expected to produce? I believe they signed the Netflix deal in 2020, since then they’ve produced 3 documentaries and an animated show that was axed due to departmental issues. That’s 4 (3, really) projects in 3 years, just for Netflix. I don’t know much about production but for a startup that’s seems like a lot?

    • Ginger says:

      I know! In 3 years they started a foundation, a production company, Harry has Invictus, Better Up and Travelyst. Meghan did her podcast and was working on Pearl, plus had a miscarriage then a baby and they are parents to 2 toddlers. Plus, Harry had his book and is involved in lawsuits but sure…..they aren’t doing enough.

      And moved houses in the process.

      • Julie says:

        Ultimately it is their contract that determines how much they should have produced, their personal lives and these mitigating factors matters to us, the fans but not to the businesses employing them.
        Spotify, NF, whatever doesn’t care about their second baby or their new house
        This is the challenge of going to the market vs the easy work of Royal Family projects.
        The BRF is useless and lazy but as long as Britain has a constitution monarchy, they are safe, they only need to show that they are working but there are no productivity metrics unlike the businesses that are now the Sussexes’ clients and partners.

      • MsIam says:

        @Julie, this is all second hand bullshittery from the Murdoch press. Netflix are not the ones complaining. Its “sources”. Just like the ” sources” who claimed Meghan didn’t do the interviews for her podcast. As for Spotify, if they wanted more content they should have green lit more content.

      • Slush says:

        I have to agree with Julie on this point. Having kids, their personal lawsuits, building a foundation, their other business ventures _do not_ matter to the contract they had with Spotify or Netflix

        At best, to Spotify and Netflix, it could look like they took on too much and didn’t manage their time well, at worst, it could look like they had no intention of fulfilling their contracts.

    • Eating Popcorn says:

      And 2020 was the kick off of the pandemic people!

      • Slush says:

        I don’t think that’s a great excuse for the podcasts – those can be done 100% remotely. If anything, they had more time to focus on podcasts because everyone was stuck at home

      • MsIam says:

        Again @Slush, Spotify was not green lighting the projects. They were the ones writing the checks, why didn’t they give the ok? If Harry wanted to do a podcast talking about fatherhood why not ok that? I think they wanted something specific from the Sussexes but didn’t want to spell it out, unless it was something totally off brand and derogatory to the Sussexes. If that is the case then the best thing to do is part company and move on. Spotify is not the only platform in town.

      • Slush says:

        MSIAM- To be clear, I in no way leave all of this at H&Ms feet. mistakes or misalignments were coming from both sides.

        I will say, however, to your point specifically, that we only heard about 2 podcast pitches that didn’t go through. If they gave up after 2 ideas, 1 of which was objectively bad, that isn’t great IMO.

  30. Noor says:

    Walls Street Journal should you not focus on inflation, American debt level, interest rate, etc instead of writing on the Sussexes.

    In my view, the Sussexes are doing well considering the fact they do not have background on podcast and film production.

    • Harper says:

      The slant in that article was ridiculous. It failed to mention that the podcast knocked out Rogan and won the People’s Choice award, Spare sold so fast it is now in the Guinness Book of World records, “Harry and Meghan” was the most popular documentary ever at Netflix. But the Sussexes are flops?

      And WSJ owes the Sussexes a correction regarding Pearl, as it wasn’t axed individually, as the article implies. All animation at Netflix as axed. This article is truly misinformation at its highest level.

  31. ales says:

    They have to be punished, they must be destroyed by any means, no one is allowed to sue anything or anyone to do with the Murdochs. The midds and the mattress seem to be well protected no matter how bad they are behaving. It is sickening. What they are trying to do to Harry and Meghan is dangerous. No one seems to have ever been attacked like this before, for no reason other than existing and trying to do their best. It has become totally irrational, the relentless attacks are pure evil and must be soul destroying for Harry and Meghan.

    • MsIam says:

      Diamonds are made under pressure. And Murdoch is not invincible. He had an $800 million chunk taken out of his hide with more to come. The Sussexes have sued these papers before and won, lets keep the faith that truth will prevail.

  32. Cosmic Cow says:

    I know WME is highly regarded, but since Meghan signed with them their PR has been very weak

    • Amy Bee says:

      WME is not doing PR for Harry and Meghan. They’ve been hired to get business opportunities for them. What would you want Harry and Meghan spokesperson to do other than what she’s doing now?

    • Snuffles says:

      WME isn’t a PR agency. They broker entertainment deals.

      • Cosmic Cow says:

        WME definitely does have a PR, brand development, media management as part of their services. Positive PR and PR management is integral to being an attractive brand or business partner. What we should be seeing are positive stories about Meghan and actual partnership/project announcements. Those would have been ideally made concurrent or just after announcement of her signing with them. Instead, they’ve left her out there looking like she’s waiting to be picked for team, while the disgruntled leak to media.

  33. Nerd says:

    Any media that is associated or connected to Murdoch or any of the other unethical media companies isn’t a reliable source regarding Harry and Meghan. It has been six years of them writing lies and attacking them with racist and misogynist undertones. Harry and Meghan left the UK and stepped down from being working royals three years ago. This is a smear campaign that I refuse to contribute to. Any other person starting a company wouldn’t get the scrutiny they get, but because Murdoch has a vendetta against them that started long before they stepped down, he is chasing them and writing about them daily with extreme bias and hate. The hit pieces of bullies and racists mean nothing to me. I will wait, watch and support what the Sussexes do because they have always functioned for the good of society and that is what I will spend my valuable time supporting.

    • CherBear says:

      @Nerd, you are wise. My feelings exactly. Why bother to even “fret” about Murdoch’s misguided nonsense’s and those of his papers?The Sussexes are strong and have shown patience. They are not alone either. They have good and solid guidance from the best in the business-Tyler, Oprah, the Obamas perhaps etc. And we will pray for them. Amen.

      • Jenn says:

        There *is* a reason to fret. The Wall Street Journal — which has quietly been running on fumes for years now — was for most of its run a venerable old paper. It always skewed conservative and vaguely antisocial (it’s there in the name, “Wall Street”), but it was respectable, not nefarious. After News Corp bought it out in 2007, the newspaper stressed it would maintain editorial independence from Murdoch’s company. But they also started messing with the digital version in wacky ways (like not making a clear distinction between actual articles and user-submitted ones, except for some fine print that indicated it was user-submitted and not vetted or fact-checked). Basically, they did what Elon is doing now, which is deliberately helping disinformation to flourish by giving it a platform equal to real journalism.

        By 2013 — a few years ahead of Donald Trump’s election — the “old guard” editorial staff was out, and the venerable old paper was able to finally start making a concerted, earnest effort to “mainstream” a type of extremism. This is all to say, the WSJ became untrustworthy years ago, which is not necessarily something that older, unsavvy, trusting, media-illiterate readers will realize. And that is VERY dangerous.

  34. MsDoe says:

    These articles in the WSJ are pure professional character assassination; is there no legal recourse for the Sussex Brand?

    The WSJ is owned by Murdoch; Harry is suing Murdoch’s media. This is flagrant abuse.

    Someone somewhere in the media needs to call it out for what it is.

  35. Call_Me_AL says:

    Invictus. Well-child. Better Up. Archetypes. The Me You Can’t See. SPARE. Lawsuits. Children. Moving. Pandemic. Children’s books. Charity work (Archewell). Healing from decades of toxic family trauma.

    Sounds very high-productivity to me, and also, they don’t owe productivity to anyone. What is the point of these attacks? Defensiveness.

    • Soosoo says:

      I don’t think people are necessarily saying they haven’t been busy, but what is glaring to me is they have spread themselves too thin. When you spread yourself so thin, you’re not productive under any one contract.

      I agree with Kaiser’s take on productivity and certain factors out of their hands. I think everyone is to blame.

  36. Sarem says:

    I share the sentiment about PR. This is brutal but it is fairly easy to respond to in this anti-Murdoch media environment if only someone was doing that besides the Squad. I wish they would get on social media and respond directly before these stories catch so much attention. They are always so reluctant to speak out because they will be attacked by the Windsors and their dogs, I get it, but if they are going to be proper celebrities it has to happen. The old idea that if you ignore it, it doesn’t get attention truly does not work for PR anymore. You can be circumspect but not silent. They could take a page from the way ProPublica responded to the WSJ this weekend, that was brilliant.

    • equality says:

      They do respond at times. Their PR people would have to be on full-time 24-hour alert to respond to every crazy thing coming out against them.

      • Sarem says:

        Not responding to the WSJ and other direct business hits is particularly dangerous. We know it’s a Murdoch rag but millions of businesspeople, industry movers and shakers and investors read it daily. I would never let a business client be silent in response to that because it sticks and if you don’t respond quickly, it cements.

      • equality says:

        I wouldn’t be particularly interested in doing business with someone who did put a lot of credence to this type of salacious article anyway. If a “mover and shaker” can’t see the lack of credibility in this type reporting, they aren’t very impressive. H&M have the likes of Tyler Perry and Oprah who personally know them and aren’t relying on gossip or come-backs at tabloid reporting to evaluate them. Any credible “mover and shaker” would also take into account the incredible success of what they have produced.

      • Sarem says:

        That is a great theory but hard to build a business on. Yes they have some big-name backers but their brand is being attacked in important business sources. It matters, for funding, credibility, the works. I wish it didn’t and will always cheer on the Squad but the silence against these attacks scares me for their future. It doesn’t even have to come from H&M – it could be Archewell spokespeople or execs going on the record explaining what we are all saying – these hit pieces are being instigated by Murdoch and a Spotify that is pissed they left. Something simple. The silence could hurt the brand.

  37. QuiteContrary says:

    As someone noted above, if M&H had cranked out more content, they would be criticized for producing quantity over quality and becoming overexposed.

    They can’t win in the Murdoch press.

  38. TangerineTree says:

    Murdoch is protecting his illegal business practices from being exposed in court. Spotify’s biggest moneymaker is putting out a conspiracy theorist’s harmful, batsh!t crazy ideas and Spotify is also short on money. Murdoch and Spotify are two garbage entities joining forces to harm H&M in order to cover up their own incompetence. I hope people can step back and see what is going on.
    H&M do good, meaningful work and are continuing to do so.

  39. Beverley says:

    This has me feeling so depressed, seeing how the racist British AND American press are determined to destroy the Sussexes while nattering on about how wonderful and “relatable” William is. The hateful propaganda is relentless and I honestly don’t know how Meghan and Harry endure.

  40. Lizzie says:

    Everything they do is number one, docuseries, books, podcasts. And don’t forget award winning podcasts. They are most definitely very successful. Spotify shouldn’t have signed them if they didn’t want to do anything other than Archetypes along the lines of the Sussexes brand, that was a failure for Spotify.

  41. Elle says:

    I think several things can be true here – they are getting smeared by the press at every opportunity. Both actively and passively (like well this a success but why wouldn’t it be because of their privilege type thing). But I also think that a lot of people are tired of hearing about them. Which isn’t their fault, it’s the medias fault. But while I admire and respect both of them greatly, I’m a little tired of reading about them. All of the ideas mentioned sound great, but because they themselves sound interesting – not because Harry and Meghan are behind them. Obviously this is my own fault, haha, I clicked on this post, and it’s not THEIR fault whatsoever. And unfortunately, bad gossip is what sells, so that is likely what the majority of people are reading. It’s a double edged sword that certainly Harry never could help, and Meghan can no longer help. What they need to do is work on one of their projects listed, have everyone involved sign an NDA, and after it’s a huge success say oh yeah we did that. That’s my personal opinion at least! Not the greatest comparison but Angelina Jolie directing Unbroken comes to mind. She directed it but wasn’t in it! Obviously that was a film and not a documentary but based on the non fiction book for anyone that doesn’t remember, the movie came out nine years ago but the book came out in 2010 I believe.

  42. Sunny O says:

    I agree with Kaiser’s assessment.

    I would also like to add the following:

    The word “lazy” is commonly used against people of color.

    It’s not surprising to me the Wall Street Journal, a Rupert Murdoch owned outlet, has deployed the racist “lazy” trope against Meghan Markle nor is it surprising the trope is also being deployed against Prince Harry.  Prince Harry had the temerity to marry a person of color after all.

    The targeted, organized, coordinated hate and disinformation campaign against Meghan Markle and Prince Harry has to stop.

    When Rupert Murdoch goes after one person of color, he goes after all people of color.

    I give my thanks to Kaiser and all of the contributors here for fighting the good fight.

  43. Elo says:

    Should they have been more productive- probably, they have deals most people would kill for and they weren’t given them due to merit but simply because of who they are.
    On the other hand- why would Netflix and Spotify expect large productive output when neither of them have the real expertise or experience to make that happen.
    Sounds like mismanaged expectations all the way around.

    All that said- I would watch the hell out of a Miss Havisham series and I really hope that happens!

  44. Ty says:

    I thought it was clear that their non-profit work was the main purpose in their lives and that these other productions were the sideline. Maybe Netflix and Spotify didn’t get the memo. That they did anything else with a great measure of success is a testament to their talent and hard work.

  45. B says:

    Rupert Murdoch had to become a American Citizen in order to start Fox Corp and he now owns the Wall Street journal, TMZ, NY Post and Pop Base. When the first Levinson inquiry happened in the UK and the scope of illegality was exposed he shut down News of the World but there were questions if he was wire tapping and other illegalities here in the USA and he barely fended it off and kept Fox Corp.

    Fox Corp. just lost a 787million suit with Dominion for lying about rigged voting booths in the 2020 USA election. They are operating at a 54M dollar loss in the 1st qt of 2023 due to the Dominion lawsuit and they have a upcoming 2.7 Billion defamation lawsuit with Smartmatic over their debunked election rigging claims. They are in TROUBLE.

    If Harry’s UK court cases go well it could trigger a 2nd levinson inquiry and Murdoch is in a much weaker position now then he was in the 90s. If its discovered there were illegalities in the Daily Mail and other UK publications they will look into his business here in the USA and possibly shut him down. Especially since World Leaders now openly decry how he has worsened politics in their countries, radicalized its citizens, and people with & without power call him a cancer.

    Murdoch’s empire looks like its crumbling and Harry could help tip the scales in the UK and all Murdoch can do is print nonsense stories about a podcast that was #1 and Spotify gossip. He can’t touch the Sussexes. He is utterly impotent and enraged and it shows.

  46. L4Frimaire says:

    I really don’t understand all this panic and handwringing. They are so invested in every minute thing the Sussexes do and put so much into the media narrative of everything must be a snub or a failure if things don’t go smoothly. I think that others have said it but people want so much more from the Sussexes than they’ve put out so far. What they’ve put out so far has been incredibly successful, brought in big numbers but all of a sudden they’re a flop because they couldn’t get Taylor Swift ( if true) on a podcast and decided not to continue to be exclusive with Spotify, who have clearly shown they are not a good partner. This may be a major deal for some people, who want the Sussexes to wrestle in the mud, for them, this is another day at the office with the day to day BS. The statement from Archewell and Netflix in this article should be enough. They have never indicated they want to be full on, full time Hollywood content creators. It’s a means to an end, a way to support their philanthropy. They’re working on stuff, stuff is coming out, and they’ll let us know when they’re ready, not when WSJ says so. They will never give us the visibility and access we want from them, they know they’re under the microscope, and they will produce what they can. All these random people out here trying to give them random advice sound ridiculous. Do you really think they don’t know what’s happening out here or how to respond if they chose to? Really?

    • Haylie says:

      Some of the people doing the panicking are disingenuous concern trolls. Watch out for the ones who only post when. Harry and Meghan are being smeared, insisting they know what they should do and how they need to be on social media beefing with derangers like an Instagram baddie influencer.

      That’s Rota talking. More social media presence means more content for Rota to mine and use in their attacks.

  47. Flower says:

    I think these articles are coming out bc these publications see the Sussexes as their own ‘dancing bears’ who are obliged to entertain them and provide endless content.

    I hope that H&M continue at their own pace and refuse to acquiesce to this nonsense.

  48. TAWOG says:

    I legitimately do not understand why we even give any credence to this nonsense. Everyone knows that the opinion section of the WSJ is absolute garbage. If this was published in the actual reporting section, then WSJ is just damaging their own reputation even more. I guarantee you that the people who actually ready WSJ don’t give two craps about H&M so likely skipped this story altogether. If H&M are wise, they would simply refrain from reading any of this nonsense and let. PR company deal with all of it.

    • L4Frimaire says:

      There isn’t anything more to say. Their people put a quote in the article itself. Can’t remember who said it, maybe R.S. Locke, they you can receive criticism, even constructive, but you don’t have to process or respond to it publicly. Trust they are constantly reviewing and doing autopsies of their work. People need to look at their overall work produced across all mediums so far, not just one podcast, which is a really good successful one.

  49. Div says:

    Multiple things can be true. This is a smear job, and a lot of it is coming from Murdoch. But the reporter from Bloomberg is a respectable journalist who seemingly set out to write an objective article, as media/tech is their beat, and found ppl who were genuinely unhappy with the Sussexes in a business sense.

    My main takeaway is they should have kept a publicist, and not gone in-house. Additionally, it does seem like “Harry” is more of a problem here in regards to output, etc.

    • L4Frimaire says:

      They have a publicist. I’m sure they have a team with experience and background in PR. They’re not just using some random intern. We always love the clap backs but all of a sudden they don’t have people because they’re not going to fight in the press with Spotify. Both Archewell and Netflix spoke to the WSJ for the article. What more do you want. If you’re expecting them to trash Spotify or any of the people griping, they’d never gonna happen. That’s not what they do.

  50. Cate says:

    I do think they signed themselves on for too much: podcasts AND film AND books AND Harry having a job at Better up and probably some other stuff I am forgetting, plus the philanthropic work, plus the lawsuits. Like, that’s too much, big surprise they have perhaps not delivered at 100% on all of them.

    That said, if these papers now gleefully reporting on what a flop they are hadn’t whipped up public hatred of M&H and essentially drawn targets on their backs….M&H might not have needed to chase all this cash because they wouldn’t need to secure funds to pay for a lifetime of top notch private security! You notice how Beatrice and Eugenie are basically able to live fairly low-key private lives with more “normal” jobs and wealthy but probably not eye-wateringly wealthy husbands? It’s because the press mostly leaves them alone! If M&H had been afforded that treatment and also had still decided to leave the firm, I suspect they wouldn’t have signed onto anywhere near as much stuff. The media created this situation.

  51. Saucy&Sassy says:

    This what I see when reading this. They quoted Morton. What does he know about anything to do with the Sussexes? They bring up Taylor Swift. By doing that they knew they would get the MAGAs out to hate on Meghan. This is quite strategic in some ways by Murdoch. What they did NOT do is let the reader know that the parent company is being sued by Harry. I hope the legitimate media here in the US questions the ethics of that.

  52. Nuks says:

    Funny, the Hollywood trades, specifically Deadline.com and the Hollywood Reporter, don’t report this. Why? Because they know these two are a gold mine.

    And that reminds me to cancel my WSJ digital subscription, which I only got to read an article about the Bob Lee killing and “the lifestyle”, but it was just a puff piece written around that dubious phrase.

  53. j.ferber says:

    The Wall Street Journal is unreadable and has been for a long time–thanks to Rupert Murdoch and his cursed touch. His tentacles reach out and grab everything it can make money from and ruin. If you are a Trekkie, you will understand it when I say he’s like the Borg, grasping and incorporating every it can grab and draining the life force and individuality out of it.

  54. j.ferber says:

    Aren’t W and K the faces of low productivity and much keenery? PLease!!!

  55. GDubslady says:

    The Sussexes will do an African Parks and conservation documentary like President Obama did for the US National Parks 4 Netflix. Harry could narrate. Also documentary about media hacking and other nefarious activity is absolutely necessary.

  56. TheCrankyFairy says:

    We should also remember the context of When these deals were signed, namely the aftermath of being completely cut off financially by The Firm despite the understanding that they’d have a year of support, namely security, during their transition to private citizens. They went from having time to plan to needing an income stream large enough to fund their very real security needs overnight. I’m not surprised they weren’t fully prepared for what being a producer entails.

    Add in the pandemic, the lawsuits, the miscarriage followed almost immediately by another pregnancy, birth, and maternity leave, plus the fact that Spotify and Netflix aren’t their only jobs. They both wrote bestselling books, they chaired that vaccine thing, Harry has invictus, the mental health app, and his thing with the asper institute. And as someone else pointed out there are probably projects in the works, either formerly or currently that we don’t know about because they don’t endlessly hype their own farts. And all this against a backdrop of a wildly changing landscape not only in the entertainment industry, but across society as well.

    Could they have done more? Maybe, probably. Regardless they have still accomplished a great deal within the parameters they were operating.

  57. EllenOlenska says:

    The bottom fell out of podcasting revenue and streaming revenue when there was no more cheap investor money to be had. There will be belt tightening everywhere, hence the end of Netflix animation division etc.

    Yes, H&M are going to need some new material (and yes, there will have been a far more outsized interest in “Spare’s” content than in invictus no matter how great the Invictus content ) But this is just the BM and fans circling for news.

    I do think it would be hilarious if Taylor swift signed up for the next round of Archetypes!

  58. Tashiro says:

    While there is some intelligent discussion. The bottom line is these latest events are being used once again to talk down about them and continue to spread misinformation. Just my opinion.

  59. Lee says:

    Harry and Meghan are allowed to have ups and downs in their career like everyone else, these tabloids need to back off, if Netflix or Spotify go away, something else will come up! It’s a big world with loads of opportunities and everyone knows who they are.

    • L4Frimaire says:

      You think if Meghan had signed up again with Spotify on their terms that we’d be hearing any of this BS and pile on? They’d be popping champagne and issuing a major press release. Someone on Twitter published Spotify’s 3rd quarter results which showed an uptick in listeners and numbers when Archetypes dropped. Flops don’t bring in numbers like the Sussexes do. This is someone rejected at the dance. Yes they had a lot on their plates the past few years, and inexperience, which affected output and is a fair criticism in a vacuum. However, they have more time and experience now, new focus and they are not going to sit still, and they can deliver. They have already put out content that doesn’t focus on the royals like Archetypes and The Me You Can’t See and those did great. They can pull in the numbers and those people that are losing that or weren’t able to bag them are pissed. https://twitter.com/sarahdata_/status/1673087743885295618?s=46&t=vkghcTaTy7LcL1_1HDoPFw

  60. goofpuff says:

    The Murdoch owned news companies like WSJ need to disclose that H&M are suing their parent company. This is a huge conflict of interest and dishonest reporting.

  61. PJ says:

    Look at this whole campaign to make them look like they are sitting around doing nothing. HOW MUCH DO THEY WANT THEM TO WORK?? Granted Meghan was in the industry before she married Harry but how much content does Netflix or Spotify or whoever else signed deals with them, knowing that they were the newly released royal couple, expect them to produce? This is a two way street and I’m sick of these badly worded articles where it looks like H & M are money grubbing. Netflix and Spotify got record breaking content out of them. Of course Harry would be behind the curve in the industry because he’s new to it. And I’m sure everyone comes up with bad ideas when they’re brainstorming but not everyone else’s ideas that don’t make it end up being splashed across the pages of newspapers, magazines and tabloid television.

    Are there going to be growing pains and more “what have you done for me lately?” Sure. But I’m really tired of this narrative that they’re sitting on their laurels and doing nothing. I can’t wait for Harry’s lawsuit to resolve so that, fingers crossed, there can be some cessation of these made up and severely slanted stories about them. Quit printing stories about them if you hate them so much but the WSJ, Newsweek, and the BM all need them to make money.

  62. TheBayTea says:

    I want to preface this by saying I love Harry & Meghan and think they have been really unfairly targeted by the tabloids…but the WSJ isn’t a tabloid. They have really high editorial standards and don’t publish anything without A LOT of confirmation of facts. Like…it goes through 5 layers of editors and needs multi source attribution, especially if it’s going to page 1. Additionally, I know this journalist personally (and while he likely didn’t have any control over the headline), he doesn’t and didn’t write a hit piece. All parties were given opportunity to comment and provide their side. Maybe in this case Harry and Meghan just bit off more than they could chew and have struggled to deliver. That would be human and understandable.

    Also, general fact about reputable papers in the US, of which the WSJ newsroom still is, is that the publisher and newsroom are separate. The business side doesn’t dictate coverage to the news room, so the theory that this is a hit piece planted by Murdoch and the British tabs is just false. That just isn’t how it works on the news side.

    The WSJ editorial page can go screw themselves, though. Murdoch has plenty of control over them.

    • kirk says:

      I’ve subscribed to WSJ on and off for many years. Your point about the editorial section is well taken. The most obvious change in WSJ after Rupert takeover was the expansion of editorial pages, but I never read those. However you have excused friendly authors (and one of Rupert’s Rags): two items in particular are grating, a third is general observation.

      1. Headline – came directly from copy, “Prince Harry and Meghan’s Hollywood foray is looking like a flop.”
      2. Any truly reputable news outlet with adverse financial interests to persons they write about will disclose that. Rupert’s Rags don’t.
      3. WSJ standards, while higher than other Rupert Rags, have not been maintained at the same level they were prior to Rupert’s purchase. Consider all the unnamed sources:
      (a) “according to people familiar with the inner-workings of Archewell and Harry and Meghan’s deals”;
      (b) “two TV ideas…rejected within the past year, people familiar with Harry and Meghan’s projects said”;
      (c) “Both Netflix and Spotify…have been underwhelmed by the lack of productivity by the Sussexes, people familiar with their perspectives say.”

      Put all those unnamed sources against this one named person, Andrew Morton. AFAICT Morton got lucky when Diana dropped her story in his lap and has been milking it ever since despite zero evidence he knows, or has even met, Meghan or Harry.

    • Lee says:

      You’re probably right

    • PJ says:

      Long ago, the WSJ was a good place to get information on business and the occasional foray into a public interest piece. My personal experience with them (and the formation of my opinions about them) was also years ago when my employer, a major apparel brand, had an emergency stock buyout after being caught unawares when a principal shareholder (family member of the founding company) died at an advanced age and left all their shares to an animal charity. The charity, of course, had no interest in being in business and wanted a cash payout. This lead to the employees being bought out of their shares, at a very good above market price and the company going completely private. We, as employees, were kept informed about all aspects of the purchase, the rules from the FTC and SEC, etc. BUT, soon thereafter, the WSJ wrote a terribly slanted piece that was filled with information that wasn’t true but was covered by “speculation” on some of the events. And it wasn’t in the editorial section, but in the business portion. This wasn’t the first time the WSJ had written an unflattering piece about the company but this was the culmination of their bias for me. I cancelled my subscription after that article and because of it.
      I’m sure your friend is a reputable person but like the poster above noted, even the title of this article about H & M is slanted and not in a good way. Incomplete reporting can also form an opinion and not also to the good.

    • Agreatreckoning says:

      @TheBayTea, he/they certainly didn’t write a balance piece. The success of the Archetypes could have been noted along with the docuseries. Leaving out all the cuts to the Netflix animated division was intentional. Context matters. Not mentioning the layoffs and other upheavals going on between Spotify, Gimlet, podcasters and so on is negligent for someone with any journalistic standards.

      Alex Blumberg, co-founder of Gimlet had his podcast axed. This is is an interesting read.
      https://thisisthesqueeze.substack.com/p/an-oral-history-of-gimlets-slow-demise

      “At first, the Spotify people said they were open to our ideas, but that really didn’t turn out to be true. It very quickly went from brainstorming all the new, creative things we wanted to do to this new reality where we had to get permission from Spotify every time we had an idea.

      Then we started getting requests from on high — it would be like, we want to increase the number of Spotify listeners on your show, so we need you to make some bonus content, okay? It had a huge impact on our production. It was obvious that they didn’t really understand how making podcasts worked or what our relationship with our audience was like at all.

      Those requests escalated and eventually they made pretty much all the shows go exclusive, which Gimlet management had promised would never happen. That’s when I really knew we had a problem.

      It was never clear who the requests were coming from or how to respond to them. There were no channels where we could interact with people at Spotify. Gimlet management suggested we ask questions at these Spotify “town halls” or post on Workplace, which is like Spotify’s social network for work. So I’d submit questions at town halls and I’d post on their dumb Facebook thing but no one ever answered me.”.

  63. The Old Chick says:

    Amazing how the Sussex haters on here are experts at production, contracts, the money side of contracts all of a sudden?

    I have a friend who is a show runner. Works pretty full time as there are a million moving parts to producing content. I checked her imdb and she’s produced 1 series comprising 30 eps in 5 years (released) . She would have started min the year before so let’s call it at least 6 years possibly 7. And that’s with ongoing cast /storyline not starting over every time. So maybe the armchair experts need to take a breath.

  64. blunt talker says:

    Seeing how spotify edges toward more loud mouth talkers-I don’t think this was a good medium for them-their personality do not mesh with Spotify’s-You live and learn-they may bitten off more than they chew-Spotify does not have to pay them all the money they signed-they should be happy to use this money for other areas in the Spotify medium-this is getting old for a discussion-the split between the two sides is done-I am looking forward to netflix projects-they now have the time to do a really great job on the new projects.

  65. AC says:

    To be honest the WSJ critique is similar when one becomes a threat to you. I’ve seen it even in my own business dealings. When one is on the road to becoming successful there’s always an individual(s) that will try to discredit and undermine what you do/what you did. I work in the entertainment industry. It’s extremely cut throat and there’s a lot of back stabbing. I’m sure Meghan knows how this industry works, as she didn’t have her first successful role right after college. It’s very hard no matter who you are. Even A-listers once in a while have starred in blockbuster bombs. How many times have we’ve seen big name actors Star in high budgeted films that were complete box office failures that lost money. And the US press would write about it. This is no different than the Spotify deal. It wasn’t the right fit for them.
    As I commented before successful pitches and ideas also needs timing + luck. In my case, it ended up being an elevator pitch to a senior executive of a large entertainment company – that actually helped me with a life changing opportunity years ago. It’s about being in the right place at the right time . Then it took more than a couple of years for my team to win an Emmy and even got 3 patents/trademarks 10 years later .
    But everyone has faced growing pains and failed attempts. Doesn’t mean the door is shut for life . The US way(even though we’re not perfect) is to keep trying and to keep pitching those ideas. This WSJ article should just be a critique , and nothing else, but to keep moving on and communicating ideas. And eventually show those bullies that you’ll have the last laugh. IMO the US readers are more hopeful than British readers because, who cares if this article is negative, work harder and turn it to a positive .
    Also, imo Archetypes is a great idea, I think it just needs a better and visible platform.

  66. Bex says:

    Phoebe Waller-Bridges got $60 million from Amazon in 2020, hasn’t produced any content for the platform, and had that contract renewed for another three years in April, yet the hyperfocus is in Meghan who put out a hugely successful documentary for Netflix and hosted a highly successful and awarded podcast for Spotify.

  67. LKZ says:

    I’m surprised how many people are buying into the narrative that Harry and Meghan’s deal with Spotify ended due to productivity issues at Archwell or even just their pitches not getting green-lighted. No doubt that’s the narrative Spotify and others with an agenda want us to believe, but it seems pretty obvious to me Harry and Meghan have been trying to get out of the Spotify deal for a long time and now successfully have. Their public comments when Archetypes was finally announced was that they had been in negotiations with Spotify to be able to move forward with making content on the platform. The context of that, if we all remember, was that Spotify was allowing COVID misinformation to spread on their platform. Many ethical podcasters left over it. Who is one of the most well-known contemporary crusaders against media misinformation? The good Prince Harry. He was also a co-chair for that global covid vaccine effort. The terms of their contract probably didn’t allow Harry and Meghan to leave without putting out some content, but it seems to me they made a strategic decision for that content to come from Meghan and not Harry, who’s credibility and integrity would have been more harmed by being associated with a platform allowing that level of misinformation. There may have been other reasons for Harry to back out of podcasting as well–like needing to be careful what he says publicly while those UK tabloid court cases are pending or even trying to keep the door open to do work on behalf of the Commonwealth someday, which he acknowledged to Anderson Cooper he would be open to (I’m sure that is the type of work where his heart lies, particularly to safeguard his grandmother’s legacy, but being able to do so would require a detente of sorts with the firm.) Anyway, as Meghan said, behind the scenes nothing is as it seems, so I just wouldn’t be so quick to buy the narrative that is being pumped out about Harry and his work. He’s clearly a really hard worker and got Invictus up and running in an impossibly short timeframe because of his passion, impatience, intelligence, and ability to network, so I just don’t believe he couldn’t have put out a brilliant podcast if he’d wanted to in the last 3 years. As for Meghan, she’s like the rookie who made the Allstars in her debut season and is now in a position to renegotiate for better terms with another team. But I’m sure that’s another narrative her detractors, now including the bitter loser Spotify, don’t want out there.

  68. Silent Star says:

    And what exactly is “working enough”? They are probably working exactly as much as they want to. I’m sure they’re grateful to have that freedom.

  69. bisynaptic says:

    Rupert’s little Vegemite knickers must be all in a twist.