Here are more photos of the Prince and Princess of Wales at Royal Ascot on Friday. As I said, this tomato-red McQueen dress was one of Kate’s best looks in months, although on further inspection, she definitely looks better from the waist up. Once you get the head-to-toe look at the whole ensemble, you can see that the silhouette is extremely typical for Kate: the baggy V-neck, the puffy shoulder detail, the length of the skirt. Yes, she looks good in red (that’s always been true) but overall, this wasn’t some bold new style adventure. I still like the earrings too, although I agree with the commenters who said that maybe they were wrong with this dress.
The Daily Mail had a hilariously stupid column about how it’s “sexist” to compare Kate to her late mother-in-law, especially when it comes to style. What goes left unsaid is that Kate has spent years and millions of pounds actively trying to copykeen Diana’s old ensembles from the 1980s and 1990s, only Kate always gets it wrong because she lacks Diana’s inherent style eye, her panache, her humor, her charisma. When Kate tries desperately to copy Diana’s style (or any woman’s style), Kate ends up looking like what she is: a charisma-vacuum with no real personality. She also looks creepy as hell.
Speaking of, this clip has been making the rounds, and there were even some photographers who captured the moment – Kate once again trying to touch her husband and William looking like he wanted to wither away and die. Kate also keeps trying to touch William’s ass, which is just… a very weird thing to try to do publicly to the husband who cannot stand you.
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That was a very “festive” glance and discreet pat but Will is a strong adherent to royal decorum. It’s a great and loving 🥰 marriage.
KK wore the red color on purpose. She did it on purpose because there are pics of her being called out by QEII and Camilla when she wore red at the diamond jubilee upstaging Queen.
That facial expression.
Was he sore?
I wondered if she was checking her peg was in place 😂
HAHAHA excellent thanks for that
Omg, Mary pester! 🤭
Do you think she’s pissed enough to do that just to troll him?
LOL Mary Pester, we know that it’s clearly someone else’s peg and not Waity’s.
That facial expression on Kate along with hands on hip I have never seen before. She looks like she’s ready to do battle. !!
Um it is literally not a great and loving marriage. Watch the clip. He doesn’t even acknowledge her affection and worst, upon his shoulder glance, she immediately looks down like a scolded child. Whatever is going on with them, they are having a very hard time faking “happy” in public.
He does literally nothing at all. You people are delusional.
Oh, Jennifer… Really?
Hear me out: A lot of you are saying Kate is desperate to stay relevant to the family, but I’m not so sure. Quite the opposite: 10 quid says Charly has all but forbidden divorce, lest it be the final nail in the coffin for the BRF’s fandom.
My guess is William knows this and is just entitled, petulant, and arrogant to still act like a brat to her.
And why would Kate want to stay? She’d be set up for life if she left, providing she sign an NDA and didn’t spill secrets. Get her family out if debt, buy a fabulous minor, start sleeping with athletes and dressing like a normal human.
I think on top of “falling out of love”, he’s pissed about her family and their business shenanigans. She’s trying to make nice but he’s like, nope, not bailing your parents out, not PDAing with you.
@Jennifer – Well, we can all agree he “did nothing,” at least.
There’s another clip on TikTok that when they were at the Commonwealth and the African dancers are leaving and they go down the main aisle to exit. Catherine turns and speaks to him but William is looking at the dancers or something or someone else. She Crains her 👀 face and neck to get him to look at her and listen to what she’s saying. Something is wrong when you’re doing it so much in public
She looks exactly like a scolded child. Even if Willy’s “incandescent rage” wasn’t a topic of conversation, her expression (and others in similar moments) just makes me feel pity for her. When someone could turn your expression from smiling to shamed with just a glance, it’s because you know you’re going to be punished.
I know she chose this life and pursued Will, but, she isn’t any more immune to being conditioned by emotional abuse and returning to an abusive person than anybody else. Her ambition to get with him in the first place is only one part of the picture – Who knows how long this has been going on.
This is the last time any male member of the royal family looked at Kitty, in the eyeballs.
https://www.celebitchy.com/618659/duchess_kate_prince_harry_attend_the_anzac_day_service_at_westminster/
I have noticed more middleton promotion in the media. Seems there is a lot of desperation. Kate also desperately trying to get pda photos with William
There’s an even better video where William turns away from her multiple times. It’s hilarious!! Kate pulls a face like she’s planning to murder someone!!
There is a photo out there taken from a recent video when it captures William making a face to the people he’s talking to as kate comes over and touches his shoulder with that fake smile.
These micro expressions are saying what’s really going on with them. Although William is making macro expressions at this point.
After they crucified Meghan for holding Harry’s hand …
@CHIC Red was a choice for sure. Isn’t there the unwritten rule that family never stands out more than the queen? Kate is playing with fire if she crosses Camilla. Let the briefing wars begin in earnest.
I forgot about the festive glances, lol forever. I can’t tell if your comment is snarky or sincere. If it’s sincere, you’re in the wrong place babe.
I don’t know about this dress. I don’t particularly like it. Red does suit her but the dress looks a little bit baggy on her? And it just doesn’t look like anything special.
I don’t like the earring at all. In my opinion kate has the worst eye for accessories and accessorizing.
That video is hilarious. She tries to touch his bum, william then gives her a wtf are you doing look, and then it looks like she’s putting her head down in shame as they walk off.
Kate wants the photo ops so the spin would be how much in live they are. Will does not want to pretend
I won’t pretend to be really good at picking up things on the state of relations between people but….
I will say it is so much better to have concrete and tangible good works in your pocket like Harry and Meghan (or yes, even Charles).
Kates grasping attempts at the spotlight puts me in mind of this Emily Dickinson poem.
I’m Nobody! Who are you?
Are you – Nobody – too?
Then there’s a pair of us!
Dont tell! they’d advertise – you know!
How dreary – to be – Somebody!
How public – like a Frog –
To tell one’s name – the livelong June –
To an admiring Bog!
He won’t even look at her; he keeps looking off in other directions while she is right beside him. She’s trying!
There was a suggestion on twitter she deliberately provoked him and reacted in “shame” to play the put up on wife, ammunition for any potential attempt to freeze her out..
@Seaflower – I absolutely believe this! She knows by now that he is not going to welcome her phony attempts at looking all lovey dovey.
I think she’ll do everything she can to get sympathy and look like the poor, ignored, love-deprived wife.
Seaflower- I said as much below. I buy that theory.
Well, that makes perfect sense. Because why on earth would she keep trying to touch him there of all places knowing FULL WELL all cameras and eyes are on them. She is more conniving than I thought.
Kate knows that only the suggestion of touching is needed in order to capture a moment that the tabloids will foist on us as a festive glance or affectionate moment. She desperately wants the kind of public adoration that Meghan gets from Harry but has resorted to staging it at this point and the rota are assisting her narrative.
It is happening all the time now when they are out together and no normal or sane woman would continue to suffer public rejection repeatedly if her intentions were simply love for her partner. It would hurt too much.
This hadn’t occurred to me, but I did think her head down, “I’m so hurt” reaction seemed oddly out of character, so wouldn’t be surprised if it was a deliberate pose for a sympathetic reaction from the public. It would be more like Kate to show she was pissed off if it was something that really mattered to her. But she knew (as we do) how Will was likely to react, so hard to buy she was truly hoping for any affectionate response.
I believe she faked being upset. Her look was very staged.
That’s totally what this is IMO. Kate’s been posing and putting up an act for the cameras for years; she knows exactly how her attempted interactions with William come across. In addition to what windyriver said, Kate usually tries to brush off his poor treatment and pretend like nothing’s wrong…kinda like how she kept on talking and talking in the carriage ride at this same event, even as the others ignored her and spoke to each other instead. To me, that makes this “woe is me” head dip and frown even more calculated.
I just want her to eat a damn sandwich…
The earrings are boho, not Ascot. They are for jeans on someone like her.
Weird – its like Melania and Trump all over again, only a matter of time before he start swatting her hand away. With the ass touching (she has tried this a few times) I think she’s trying to convey a sense of intimacy that isn’t there any more. She’s also looking for some sort of validation/attention from him – its a weird ‘notice me’ kinda move.
He already swatted her hand away at the BAFTAs red carpet a few months ago when she tried to grab his. It was awkward as hell, but conveniently the media ignored it altogether. If this marriage continues on as it is, they will continue to provide cover, re-write history, and gaslight anybody who dares tell the truth about this rotten union.
It’s just the way they act towards each other, she taps his ass, because she knows he wont be happy. He might honestly be the most uptight person I have ever seen. He believes his status and soon to be status is not becoming of PDA. Look at his parents, his grandmothers relationship. There was no PDA going on at all. We only know about the affection between Charles and Camilla because of the tampon gate tapes. There is NO way on earth that William will ever consider a divorce. To him it would be beyond scandalous and he will refuse to go down the path his mother and his father followed. He has 3 children with Kate 1 of which in his mind will follow him in the path of being future king. He is very proper and as he continues to grow older, I assume he will only become more so. Who knows how they act towards each other in private. If they arent getting along all that well, she may just be trying to get his goat in public. None of us live with them, or can see what goes on behind closed doors.
It is SO weird. Deeply weird! It’s such an inappropriate – and passive-aggressive – gesture for a couple who don’t typically practice any other pda like H & M do (whose pda is loving and in a more acceptable form). It’s making me wonder if this is Kate indulging in a little form of blackmail of some kind? It adds to her general overall creepiness factor for me. She’s like a Stepford wife with faulty wiring.
I was just about to say the same thing @Nx2 — clearly a passive-aggressive move. She knows by now that any public show of intimacy is going to be rebuffed but she deliberately did that so she could play the poor rejected wife to get sympathy. We see you Khate…
It is attention seeking and pretending to be the hurt party, but I also think she’s back to trying to push out the mistress and showing she will make Will look bad if he goes against her wishes. Her attempts are always after the 🥚 has denied her something. I think she’s showing her stalker tendencies and is like I’ll make you look worse than your dad. Except people don’t like her and her history of social climbing and stalking will come back to haunt her
I was in London since before the Trooping as my daughter married that Saturday. The wedding was half brits and half Americans. Lots of folk do not like Charles and Camilla but do like Wills and Waity. We flew to Spain and there were mostly Brits on the plane. I spoke with a 30 something hairdresser who said she couldn’t wait for Harry and Meghan to divorce. I told her Wills and Kate would divorce first and I’d bet 100 pounds. She was shocked and probably put off by me but I couldn’t help myself. It was delayed flight and I was crabby. My sister-in-law who lives there is a Huge fan of Wills and Kate. I’ve stopped trying to change peoples mind. At home I offer to show them the docuseries-I think it can change people’s minds
I’d be too worried about proxy sti’s to touch his ass for any reason.
And Twitter hasn’t missed a beat, opportunity or been lacking material of how dreadful this looks for either one of them. IF Baldmorts glare actually shot fire CopyKeen and her wiglets would have crumbled into a pile of ashes, wiglets, earrings and all.
Leave it to the DF in not having a clue as to the true definition of what “sexist” means….🙄🙄
The earrings were so wrong with this outfit that they’re fighting with it.
I agree. They look hilariously mismatched with the outfit – too casual, too big, clashing in every way including with her personality.
It’s not an appropriate thing for a royal to do in public anyway – grabbing someone’s ass.
She kept doing that to him before they were married, when they were actually a couple, and it always looked awkward.
I agree that it’s completely inappropriate to grab his ass during a work function. There is a time and a place. Kate doesn’t know how to act during royal functions. It’s embarrassing.
It’s attention-seeking too. She knows the cameras are everywhere at Ascot and she knows he’s completely over it with her. They’re done!
The freak out they made with Meghan and Harry holding hands in public but the media stays quiet or pretends it’s cute when Kate tried to grab William’s ass in public during a work function is insanely hypocritical . This wouldn’t even pass regular HR policies in most work places.
Yes, well Kate does not think asses are private. She has publicly flashed hers at every opportunity.
I love how we are still subscribing to the notion that royalty and the aristocracy are better than anyone else in terms of decorum, behaviour, morals etc. They are so much worse. We should definitely not be looking to them as any sort of exemplar / role model.
That video is hilarious. Why does William’s grin/smile looked so forced in those pictures? It’s as if he’s straining to smile. And what is happening with Kate’s feet in that top photo? What’s going on with the fit of her shoes?
I’ve noticed that too. We know that she has bunions (no shame, I have too ) but lately, it’s quite obvious that the feet are swollen ( ? )… I don’t know if she suffers from some kind of water retention… but she wears constantly super high heels that aggravate the problem..
I am in London this week, it is boiling hot. Today is like 30C. My shoe straps and my swollen feet were not pretty! I don’t know how the royals could wear outfits like those in this weather and not melt.
Her feet /ankles have been swollen for a long time, not just on warm days. Someone here said a month or so ago that a friend with an ed also had swollen feet /ankles and it was part of the disorder.
The gnashed teeth! The clenched jaw! It would be one thing if his eyes were smiling, but his eyes and brow are pinched instead (I guess because of the sun?). The overall effect is absolutely ghastly. God, it makes me so *sad*. When he was a very young man, 18 or 19 years old, his smile was real and unabashed — sometimes even charmingly impish, like his mother’s — and his face was so open. I just cannot imagine what changed.
Is the arse grab something to do with the pegging?
Maybe she does it to get people talking about the pegging again.
The Fail had a story about how Kate was being “flirty” so I expect this is her way of trying to make it seem like they’re hot for each other…. like a certain Montecito couple obviously are.
Kate probably also doesn’t give a dang what William does in response because either way is good for her. If he plays up, they look like a happy couple. If he doesn’t play up (which is what happened) then he looks like a jerk to her. And I suspect Kate wants all the jerk behavior so she can make him look bad if he dumps her.
I’ve long thought Kate’s play if Will leaves her is to paint him as an unloving, unfaithful Charles type. Will has lots of ammo against Kate, but if she can get him to look like a cheating ass who married her without loving her when she loved him and did her best…. that’s powerful. The public is going to want to paint any W&K divorce as War of Wales 2. There will be inevitable comparisons and these videos will be evidence. So Kate knows William is digging his own grave by acting like he hates her. The more he acts icy, the more he sets himself up as another Charles. This will not benefit him.
I think someone already knows Kate’s playing this and the “Diana comparisons are sexist” narrative is to try to get folks not to take “Kate’s side in any divorce.
I like this analysis. Nice summation. But I wonder if Kate is bright enough to be this strategic. Her mother certainly is.
Reading Rapunzel’s comment I was picturing CarolE strategising over the kitchen table in her manor. Kate nodding and agreeing, maybe taking notes.
Definitely taking notes. In her notebook that says NOTEBOOK on it.
Scooby Gang–😂🤣😂😂🤣
I’m betting that a pie chart was also involved.
Good analysis
I agree this this is likely a Middleton strategy, but I think they forget that this isn’t Diana 2.0. Kate had a decade to see what he was like and not only did she chose title over affection, but her icy actions toward others, including Meghan, will be used against her. Diana’s family also didn’t have a bankrupt business. They didn’t need to marry for more money or access. Kate and the Middletons forget how class still plays a role in the UK and they will turn on her pretty quickly. Especially because she’s not very sympathetic as a person. Her lack of solidarity with other women will come back to haunt her in any separation or divorce scenario.
I do believe that this is part of “ paint William as an unfeeling, cheating monster if that ass is going to divorce me anyway” strategy.. And Nic, I’m going to disagree, William has almost zero capital with the public, and Kate has marginally more because ultimately the public is more like her than him…and as we’ve seen with the M&H saga they tend not to question what they are fed in the media. As long as Kate hasn’t cheated, she will come out okay. I even believe her recent burst of solo activities are part of the people’s Princess part two narrative…
Diana was the most popular royal and still there was a group prepared to defend Charles over her. The same will happen with William. If he needs defending the establishment will protect him at the expense of Kate and the media will step in line. What has happened to Harry and especially Meghan in the UK with people not liking them can easily be replicated against Kate. She doesn’t have a fraction of the popularity Diana did.
All the images of kate being difficult, including with Meghan will be spun a different way and the usuals like tominey will change their spin.
There will be also stories of how the Middletons stepped into William’s life mere years after Diana’s death and bamboozled him taking advantage of a young man who was still grieving the tragic death of his mother. William being Diana’s son still holds power, especially if they spin the social climbing bankrupt grifting family as the enemy.
If they can make Camilla accepted, at least by a significant number of UK people, then it is nothing for them to bury kate to protect William.
Whatever strategies are in place and whatever happens, the interesting war will be within the media. Which outlets will side with sources from Kate vs ones from William. We rightfully rag on William for being besties with the tabloids, but maybe that’s a long term strategy. In the event, this ever goes public, he’s going to need the full support of the BM. The Middletons have their go-to outlets, but William has willingly sold himself to the papers and they may reward him for that. A relentless campaign against a women works. We’ve seen it time and time again. Unfortunately. So, I’m not sure she will come out okay. If she is quiet, sure, but if she wages a counter PR through the press, then no.
Consider too the number of questionable moves Kate’s pulled in the past few weeks alone which certainly would not have gone unnoticed by Chuck, and especially Camilla. Arriving late to the Chubbly; appearing with the fake tiara; overshadowing C&C’s planned PR on the first day of the garden show; and wearing the green outfit at the Trooping, to make sure she stood out amongst all the rest of the family. If it comes down to a media duel between Camilla and Kate/Carole, the Middletons will be outclassed from the outset given Cam’s deep and longstanding media ties (friends with the current editor of the Independent, PR guy previously a DM deputy editor, etc.) And in general, if Will is permitted to file for separation or divorce, it’ll be with Charles’ approval, and as @Nic19 says above, if he needs defending, the establishment will do so.
Kate’s given them a lot of ammunition, outside of her parent’s financial issues and the family’s non-aristo social standing. One of her biggest mistakes overall was making so little effort where the actual “job” is concerned. At this point, she’s known for her clothes, and spends so much there, it’s yet another area of potential attack. She could have won over public sentiment, and possibly had a more secure place with the RF, if she was out there being seen, and doing a competent job. Instead, she posts poor appearance numbers year after year, and my bet is, the organizations she does show up at, know she’s only there for the photo op, while any of the apparent experts involved with her couple of publicized Early Years get togethers, are totally aware how basically useless she and her “projects” are. Meghan leaving was a huge loss to her patronages and any organization she was involved with; no one will notice if Kate is gone.
@Rapunzel, I didn’t read your comments before I posted a reply to Seaflower in a thread above yours, but great analysis of the situation!
Desperation? He might be getting plenty of action, but she knows if she takes on a lover he will dump her quickly? And the BM wouldn’t hesitate to out her, unlike how they protect him.
He would have dumped her if/when they were together. They’re not together anymore, so it wouldn’t be an issue. He’d probably be relieved to have someone take her off his hands….. or take her hands off him….off his ass.
The media wouldn’t out her because they’re pretending William and Kate are still a couple. They’re not reporting a separation.
Someone posted a photo on twitter ages ago of Kate with a man at a polo match and implied they were a couple. They did look like more than friends.
I think it’s unlikely Kate would be celibate for any length of time, given her personality.
I have heard she had a side piece as well. I am wondering if/when William gets so fed up with her touchy, feely public outings, that he will start leaking on her to rein her in.
I can’t imagine living like this. At this point she would be set for life financially if they divorced. Being “Queen” in this world is worthless, being HAPPY is priceless!
Khate seems too cold to have or want a lover. I haven’t noticed this woman has showing any passion for or about anything . . . . of course, that doesn’t mean she can’t be having affairs anyway but it’s not likely it gives her much pleasure unless she thinks she’s sticking it to someone (else, haha).
Kate flirted pretty badly with that sailing guy and with Harry, so the images with the polo guy is likely more of the same thing.
If she was seeing someone Camilla would put it out there in a flash. And William would openly separate and divorce her.
Emotionally she seems cold.
Sexually she’s always been like a heat seeking missile around men….
And she likes sexual attention from men, hence all the mooning, flashing, flaunting her body in see through or tight clothes, flirting with every man she meets.
James Whitaker said she was believed to be a little too easy with her favours.
I can’t see her living a celibate life.
The photo with a polo guy I think showed her with her arm around him, but I can’t remember clearly now.
to Dianna—i agree, she’s an ice queen, but i thought of one thing she’s shown passion for: sport. and somehow i’ve always seen her as a person who might possibly get along very well with her teammates, if you know what i mean
@potted plant — i never even considered this, but maybe the Wails got together initially because they could act as beards for the other?
Are you suggesting Kate’s a lesbian? She’s not even interested in Talking to women.
Kate has spent her entire life seeking male attention. She is still doing it.
And her interest in sports is highly exaggerated. She played a bit of ringette in high school but otherwise she’s never consistently done team sports. Let’s not forget the dragon boat race she ditched once William decided to get back together with her. Tennis , the aristo sport, and sailing, another aristo sport have been what’s she’s done. And she barely attended female matches at Wimbledon until Meghan started going to see Serena.
This is at levels of absurd. It’s deeply uncomfortable to see her try and grab his ass, first of all. He’s not feeling it. I have no love for William but this feels almost like a consent issue. I swear she does it not just for the photo-op but to antagonize him. Then, on top of that, the papers spin it as festive glances and signs of love. We have eyes. We’re not stupid. This is not a loving interaction. It’s an uncomfortable one.
I’m glad someone said this, he’s not any great guy but if your partner keeps giving you body language to indicate they are uncomfortable with your PDA stop it. I’m sure he said something in private too from the way he’s reacting in public. I don’t understand why they just can’t be themselves, it’s not like they get held to any great standard. Be boring, be lazy, stay far apart because y’all really can’t stand each other. It’s not like the British media is going to ask any real hard questions why are you making all these efforts to be what you’re not? And if you really hate each other this much where you can’t even stand to be in close proximity with each other just get damn divorced.
They can’t be themselves, because there are no longer any “themselves” to be. Each is an empty shell.
There was a viral photo of Barack Obama tapping Michelle on the behind playfully while they were on vacation recently. It got a lot of positive press for modeling a playful, still in love, non-toxic couple whose marriage wasn’t stale, in many sectors of the media and online.
As this woman is notorious for seeing something and doing a budget copy of it none too gracefully at the next opportunity, I would not be surprised if that is where this came from, just like the Diana, Meghan, and varied other cosplays. I don’t think she sees it as stealing. I really do think she is so wholly basic that it more reflects an insecure teen dressing up in her favorite celebrity and fashion magazine looks. Difference is those teens eventually find their own style by adulthood. She still replicates AS her style.
There was also the story in spare of Sasha patting Harry on the rump, which got a lot of attention. I think Kate went for an ass grab just after that as well.
I agree completely. Flip the genders and this would play out much differently. Even married couples have the right to consent to their bodies being touched and it is clear that William is not welcoming being touched by her. Especially when she goes for his bum. And it’s clear she’s doing this for the media to invent a story that they don’t actively hate each other.
This is a prime example of the toxicity in that marriage coming from both sides. William may be a jerk for the princess chop chop stuff, but Kate is no better trying to grab his ass in public for positive press coverage.
They shouldn’t be together at this point and it’s purely for mercenary reasons that they have separated in a real way. But they care more about image than their kids at this point. Because there is no way this public toxicity isn’t present in their private moments in front of the kids.
I’m soooo glad you said this Jais. You can be unlikeable and still be a victim of sexual assault. It does feel like a weird consent issue here. If he isn’t into it stop grabbing his butt lady?!? I agree that she is planning her exit strategy here. The poor out upon lady whose husband cheated and left her alone and unloved 🤮🤮. They need to separate at this point it is uncomfortable to watch.
I suppose Kate may have been angling for a press story about how they are still hot for each other. Jeez. But how embarrassing (not to mention inappropriate) to have your partner pawing at your arse when you’re at a public event trying to speak to people.
Ahahahahhaha wait for william to make a me-too post….. signed Bill, Duke of… Hales
Whew. I can’t get over how cruel he is to her. He can’t even stand her touch. This is part of why Waity was so cruel to Meghan. Harry adores Meghan and the Sussex’s love to touch each other. They love to connect physically and Willy honestly can keep from smearing at his wife. Horrible, miserable couple.
Charles was at least able to act like he cared about Diana until toward the end. Perhaps someone should have trained W to be as good an actor as his father? Also, Kate looks painfully and awfully thin. Any story on that?
Charles made put down remarks about Diana in public. He did not try to hide his disdain. Jepson witnessed one of the put downs at a meeting where a tour was being planned. I recall the put downs became more pronounced beginning in the late eighties
Being married doesn’t mean unfettered access to the other ones body. When she flinched as he touched her shoulder people felt sympathetic to her so why is it William’s issue when she’s trying to grab his ass in public. This is a power move on her end and he doesn’t want his ass grabbed. She’s not respecting his boundaries anymore than he respects her.
William has done mean things to her, but not wanting to be touched on the bum, especially in public isn’t one of them. It reflects on her wanting control.
I agree, Nic919 – it’s a creepy power play. I almost want to read it as a gesture of blackmail, like maybe she’s holding the pegging over him and reminding him in public of it. But even if it’s not that, it’s a control-seeking act to perform a very indecorous touch on your partner in public when they clearly don’t appreciate it.
Maybe just maybe, she is trying to get the pegging stories to make the rounds again. Something that makes her look good and him look like a deviant? This is what, the third set of photos showing her touching his ass and him reacting adversely to it in the past 6 weeks. I think there is more to it than just affection/attention.
@ lady D… that could be a possible motive. I’m sure they are aware of the pegging viral moments.
William can’t stand Kate and my God, it’s so obvious.
These people have zero shame. Keen knows what she’s doing with this, it’s her power play. She knows full well it makes him squirm with dread, but she still does it anyway. I do find it interesting how he doesn’t play along, but if it makes him uncomfortable, then why should he?
The streets have been talking for years about how these two simply detest one another, so what’s with this whole charade? Especially when there’s reels of footage showcasing this marriage for the sham it is. I almost feel sorry for these people, until I realise just how much vitriol they throw at married couples who genuinely have love for one another.
I might have had.sympathy for her had she not behaved the way she did to Meghan. The images of her confrontational behavior wad horrifying
The hashtag #princeofpegging on this Twitter post sent me into a fit 🤣😂🤣😅
What’s with the references to ‘festive’ glances? I refuse to go to the source material but I’ve seen it mentioned a couple of times and to me festive is the Christmas season. What am I missing? Thanks.
A few years ago, at one of Kate’s Christmas carol things, there was a photo where Kate and Will just looked at each other and reporters called it a “festive glance”
Ah, but Kaiser, they weren’t just looking at each other, they were *glaring* at each other at that public ceremony. It was one of those “if looks could kill” moments between the two, which is why it was so hilarious that the usual suspects in the media immediately began to whitewash it by calling it a “festive glance”, even though the photographs proved that the glances – several – were anything but festive. Even non-royal-watchers found the description hilarious. The reporters were telling us to ignore the evidence of our own eyes and go with their description instead. It has happened several times since.
I think it’s supposed to mean “heated” like sexually charged. But since they both have the sexual appeal of wet cardboard it doesn’t work.
It means to do with special occasions, festivals. Most commonly the winter festival (christmas) but can be any special occasion.
I’m being reminded of the time that Diana and Fergie teamed up at Ascot and were being playful with their umbrellas.
I pat my sweetie often, and vice-versa but would not do so for a formal occasion!
She got a lot positive press the last time she allegedly patted his butt at the BAFTAs so I guess she wanted that again. You can tell that she reads everything that’s written about her in the press. I think she more than William has studied a lot of photos of Harry and Meghan and has tried to replicate the same for her and William.
Its the way she reacts.
looking down, almost looking scared.
Something is not right.
I’m thinking it’s more acting than reacting.
Yes I agree. I thinks more acting than reacting also. If this was a genuine reaction of shame or fear she wouldn’t have done the one thing that she has done before that causes him to react poorly. A person who has previously been shamed or is in fear would do everything to avoid upsetting the person they are supposedly afraid of. They definitely wouldn’t provoke them privately or publicly.
As much as I like these theories (and think that WanK should just divorce already), it looks to me like he’s stepping back to stand next to her and she’s putting out her hand to ensure he doesn’t back into the person standing behind them. I don’t want that to be the case, but it just looks like coordinated stage management to me!
If that’s the case she could have touched his back or lower back, not his butt. And her reaction to what he said was that of someone being rejected
Earlier searched on YouTube for this video of Kate touching William and his reaction
Found it but William’s reaction had been edited out and the commentator said sweetly, it shows William and Kate are a normal loving couple.
Kate knows she’ll get good press no matter what… my guess, Kate’s wanting us to think they have a loving relationship
Kate lacks emotional intelligence
I very much doubt William and Kate will get divorced. William’s doing his utmost to keep his affairs under wraps. They’ll lead more separate lives. They have three houses, so it’s easy enough for them to do.
In their society, divorce is the last resort.
Kate wants to be Queen one day, William doesn’t want the stigma of a broken marriage.
Yes, sadly, this is what it looked like to me, too. But I’ll be entertained by the alternate theories.
Yeah, I’m with you. That video seemed pretty inconclusive to me. That’s not to say that I don’t think they hate each other but there are much clearer videos out there – Shrug-Gate being the absolute corker. That showed a woman who was FURIOUS with her partner about something.
This? Meh. If we hadn’t seen other instances I don’t think we would be drawing conclusions from just this.
ETA Kate’s specific insistence on reaching for his arse rather than the small of his back is weird.
She’s tall enough that raising her hand to waist level would have hit his back not his bum. She got away with a good story at the BAFTAs for the bum tap so she’s doing this again.
I disagree – i think she reached out for his hand as often happens at these prize givings but his were firmly clasped together, so at the very least he ignored her or worse still he rejected her.
I am going to guess that they’ve been coached to appear more affectionate in public as there is only so much the Rota can do and after-all what is the point of dressing to steal the limelight then look miserable. Problem is they’re both over it and very codependent, so they are never in sync so one is always rejecting the other.
They’re both not good at faking it bc they’re both suffering and it’s at that point they need to call it quits.
That would probably make sense but there isn’t anyone standing behind them. Photos and video from other angles show that they were both standing there with people to either side of them and the two men to the right of Kate are further back and to her right. He wasn’t backing up towards anyone. Plus she kept her hand there for an extended period of time which was weird and uncalled for. As others point out, she could have placed her hand on his back to prevent him from backing into someone if there was actually someone there. The decision to constantly place her hand there during public occasions when cameras are around is a choice that he isn’t comfortable with so she should respect those boundaries and stop doing it.
That’s what I think too. If it had been one of her kids it would seem a more natural move to make sure they were standing where they were supposed to, but out of habit she may have done it with Bill. I did a lot of that when my kid was young. And Bill is talking to the person beside Kate, not to Kate, so he didn’t say anything to her about it. He just looked through her as usual.
Must admit I thought this too. I think there must have been a mark on the floor showing them where to stand as they both moved forward and she was trying to direct him to it because he was all over the place. Then she realised he was resentful of the attempted reminder and she backed off to avoid his displeasure. Still dysfunctional imo but not quite a Machiavellian power play. He’s just a moody shit and she’s clearly treading on eggshells all the time.
I saw some videos and Will was not “all over the place”? She kept her hand and on his butt and he said something that made her promptly drop her hand and look rejected. She was trying to go for some PDA and he wasn’t having it. She did it at the BAFA’s and was doing it here.
There is certainly an argument that she was just doing the mom protective arm gesture and not going for his butt. Even so, he just continuously ices her out in public. There is never anything about Burger King that communicates that he’s glad she’s there with him sharing this odious life he was born into and hates. And the longer she lets him treat her like that, the more she looks like she’s only in it for the material gain.
No. If that was the case she would have touched his mid-back, not his butt.
Her hand’s touching his lower back to my eye, which is an intimate touch, though not necessarily as gauche publicly as the butt. Mostly I look at her and kind of think…hmm, no amount of money could make me stay in a relationship that miserable.
She tapped his butt at the BAFA’s, why is it hard to believe she touched his butt now? Either way, he wanted her hands off of him.
Yeah, it’s definitely his lower back that she’s aiming for, not his ass. But his ‘don’t touch me energy’ is unmistakeable. She wants to act out a public scenario and he’s shutting her down hard.
Touching him on the arm, shoulder or back in public, fine.
But why is she suddenly patting his tush in public, every chance she gets?
I think she did it when she was wearing the white gown w/black gloves, then at Ascot in the day time, in public. That is strange to me.
IRL, I would not care to be patted on the tush in public either.
I don’t think PP or QE ever touched each other in public, ever. Protocol forbids hand holding too.
Kate seems to be touchy in public as a copy of H&M. But H&M do it naturally. And it still is pretty unusual to see it at royal events.
I don’t think there’s any protocol against hand-holding; they’re royals, they can do whatever they darned well please. Propriety, manners, etc., that’s another thing, but there’s just no actual royal rulebook.
She’s flinched and jerked away from him too. I saw a clip of it on Twitter. They were at some event. They deserve each other. They are 2 of a kind!
What is it with this family? First we have Mike Tindal assaulting & grabbing a woman on camera. Now we have the future queen (lol) grabbing ass on camera. Gross.
The tabloids are going full steam ahead with “our wonderful Kate”, “isn’t there anything she can’t do?” ” our beautiful future queen never puts a step wrong ” . The syrupy tabloid headlines are building her up bigtime. Getting ready for the takedown? Or painting her as the innocent victim ala Diana? Something is afoot.
There are now cloying articles about the middletons. Michael m was featured a day or two ago in the dm
At this point, it’s almost like the public rejection routine is also Diana cosplay.
I think it was kind of a mean thing for Kate to do. Kate Middlebum has a long history of literally flashing her bum, but Will clearly doesn’t like any kind of PDA. His hands stay clasped and I image that is less of a smile than him telling her to stop through clenched teeth so the lip readers cannot tell. Judging by his reaction I think is just as bad as a man touching a woman in public without permission. She’s quite manipulative, to say the least.
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A man touching a woman like this without her consent would be covered very differently.
I don’t know what to think of these two. I just can’t see them ever splitting since there is so much wrapped up in their relationship surviving. I really do think it would kick off a major existential crisis in Britain if that happened. It’s a shame no publication is willing to do a deep dive on the current state of the British Royal Family like Vanity Fair used to do in the 80s/90s.
🤣 Britain and the world literally got over Diana’s divorce and then her death despite their sanctification and the worship of her! I’m sure they’ll get over the divorce of these two (if it happened!) Especially since this woman’s popularity is based on the hatred of Meghan
I disagree. There is still a lot of interest in Diana. Like that documentary called the princess which came out last year.people don’t necessarily have to worship Diana to see she got a raw deal there won’t be the same pity for Kate.
Diana was popular and liked prior to the divorce and her tragic death raised her to mythic status. Kate isn’t that popular. And the longer she stays married to someone who clearly doesn’t respect her, the more she looks mercenary and staying for the title. It’s two generations away from divorce being an impossible social crime. Divorce is now viewed as the better option when the marriage is toxic for the kids.
Got over the divorce? I don’t think so. That’s one reason why people hate seeing Camilla as Queen Sidechick so much.
People don’t like Camilla because she was the other woman when Diana was the young bride. And Charles had carried on with Camilla well before Charles married Diana. No one talks about Anne being divorced or even Andrew and Fergie being divorced.
William divorcing kate does not play the same way as Charles and Diana because Kate spent a decade with him pre marriage. She is not the naive innocent woman. And to date we don’t see a Camilla figure lurking around. So if William just says it doesn’t work anymore, a divorce will easily be accepted. Especially because he will spin that Kate just isn’t acceptable anymore and the media will run the same campaign against her as they did against Meghan.
At the end of the day Camilla is now Queen and many people do accept it. That would not have been fathomable in 1997. And the longer she is queen, the more people will accept it. Especially monarchists.
There have been so many divorces in that family it won’t matter as much as it used to. William can be the single dad and later remarry. Second wife would be queen
There are times when I wonder if Kate is thinking in terms of being a celebrity instead of thinking like a Royal. Celebrity mags and sites love PDAs and lack of them. Royals don’t do affection, look how screwed up Charles & Andrew are as a result. She and Carole should know that by now.
I do believe she still has feelings for Pegs, but I wouldn’t put it past her to bait him a bit here with the PDA attempts, knowing he’ll shrug her off. Evidence in the bank for the inevitable divorce.
I agree it was staged by KM, and for the reasons stated above. I’d also suggest it may have additionally been to rile whoever it is he’s actually with now ie Rose or whoever.
Why is she always trying to touch his butt? It’s kind of weird and he looked embarrassed, which is why he crossed his hands. She always does that and then he freezes up. She needs to stop.
She does need to stop.
He is so uncomfortable with it.
In public at a work event with the press everywhere.
It is not funny. It is almost a controlling move on her part, IMO.
I wonder who William’s Camilla will be…she must already be in play.
His camilla is already and always has been jecca. Which is why he’ll probably never divorce Kate. Jecca doesnt wasn’t the job of being royal and she doesn’t want to be the famous girlfriend of a prince either. So staying with Kate (officially, separated in private) gives William cover to see jecca in secret (once her marriage ends).
I think he said something to her through his gritted teeth.
People praise them for being better than the Sussexes for not showing any PDA (translation warmth) in public, and here she goes playing grab ass.
It reminds me of thanksgivings at my aunt’s when they were trying to hide my uncle’s affair and the impending divorce from my cousins. A lot of touching, but not much conversation or eye contact.
I don’t feel badly for Kate. She hounded this man for years to get the ring. If rumors are true, he cheated on her often while they were dating. He also strung her along for 10 whole years before he (reluctantly?) popped the question. He was never prince charming but she put up with his bull. All for a ring, money and a silly title. She was literally so nervous public speaking at her own wedding that you could hear her voice shaking. Catherine was never that girl but she kept forcing it. He just seems tired and embarrassed of her. Why now though is really the million dollar question. Katie has always been a pleasing pony (nice to look at but no depth or substance). William seemed content enough before, so why the seemingly change of heart now?
The recent change is he went off Carole. I think William and Kate stopped being a couple years ago, but whilst he was still under Carole’s spell, he wanted to keep living together as a family and be part of the Middleton family. Once he went off carole, the spell was broken, and perhaps he finally realised how the middletons all played him like a violin. Maybe he also found out they lied about being millionaires and their wealth was an illusion created with Garys drug money.
Something happened in early 2021 to make William stop pretending to play nice in public. The change in zoom rooms to Sandringham was the first sign. Some speculate that it was related to the Oprah interview, but whatever it was, it is way too obvious. He wasn’t icing her out in the early years like he does now.
I had the exact same dress, in 1986.
But WHY is she playing grab ass at a public work event?
And she has done this repeatedly.
It makes everyone around them uncomfortable too, I bet. She is not “touching” him, she is inappropriately handling him, in a way he does NOT want.
I think it’s a control move on her part. She knows he dislikes it. I bet he’s told her to stop it and she does it anyway. Maybe she is trying to get an angry reaction from him in public.
If the genders were reversed here, folks would be having a fit.
Why is she still so unable to fit into her public role?
She’s been married into that BRF rules/tradition for 12+ years now. She KNOWS the proper behavior, it’s not funny, cute or endearing. It is childish and attention seeking.
If the POTUS was at a public work event representing the US and reaching over to play grab ass on the FLOTUS in full view of the public gathered and the press, would that be fine?
Geez. Have some flipping dignity. Manners! I know this makes me sound old (61) but Stop It!
W&K are the main royals in public, no one gives a damn about C&C.
Kate is not helping her cause in anyway with this. If I was William, I’d give her a damn good shove the next time she does it. Fake sneeze, Ooops I’m off balance, and grab her for stability, just happened to push her down and fall on her. Let the security guys, help her up.
That would make the papers. LOL
Or, since they keep having lip readers on the BRF, Will should openly say “Keep your hands OFF my butt in public, Kate” 👍
Aside from another obvious and failed attempt from Kate asking for some PDA, why are three men carrying one small trophy? What is it made of, lead?
@Feeshalori, +1000. LOL. Love this comment (it was my thought too after watching the video).
Kate knows there are cameras on her. Another fail.
Do the three men know how silly they look carrying a maybe 8″ trophy together? D@mn, my husband has a number of baseball trophy’s bigger than that.
If my husband rejected me so publicly I’d be crushed. No title is worth this level of humiliation.
And yet Kate keeps pulling this move. So, yeah, it has to be some sort of twisted strategy.
I’m going to predict that they publicly separate in 2024. I think Kate is setting the stage for being the “dejected wife”. Sadly, I think H & M are also going to separate. I hope I’m wrong on that front.
I would not be surprised if W&K are only doing work events and living separately at this time.
H&M might also separate in late 2024.
How can anyone live in this fishbowl of press?
H&M moved to the US and the press increased, IMO.
I sure would enjoy having the wealth but not the life. Not at all.
Why would they separate. I think false rumors were spread about harry and Meghan to try to take the heat off of William and kate.
What would make you think Harry and Meghan are going to seperate? Is it the gutter tabloids?. From what I have seen, I think not.
Happily I think you are wrong. I do believe what I see when the Sussexes are together, they are madly in love. The gutter press in my humble opinion is making their bond stronger because this couple appear to take the attitude of it is us against the gutter press. Meghan and Harry as he mentioned are soulmates and I do not think they would let the press disrupt their family life. Sometimes, I think because we consume so much of the noise they are subjected to, we feel they do as well. Harry went into these lawsuits with his eyes wide open and without knowing, pretty sure Meghan supports him because she knows what this means to him, and as he stated this is his life work to hold the gutter UK press accountable. I continue to wish this authentic couple well.
Wails has done this often enough that she knows how much he dislikes this. I don’t have sympathy for a woman sexually harassing a man any more than a man harassing a woman. For whatever reason, she is determined to do this.
The solution is simple. They need to stop going to event together. Certainly, Fails is much more relaxed when she isn’t around. She has shown us that she is capable of doing event on her own. If they are determined to be stay married, they need to change things so that they can go forward. What they’re doing now is not it.
I know everyone here believes that because of Fails temper that he is abusing Wails. I just want to ask you one thing: If that’s true, why is Fails the one that always so uncomfortable when Wails touches him? Just wondering.
JMO, but I do not believe William is physically abusing Kate. I never have.
The reports of shouting and throwing things (pillows) during arguments might be true.
And if folks think things like that don’t happen IRL in a lot of partnerships, I say lucky you.
W&K also live in a house with staff, who are only too happy to call the press for a $.
Or, just invent stories, for a $. Wash, rinse, repeat.
Kate might have an ED, Diana certainly did. It is one of the few things they do have control over.
W&K are no different than any other high profile, wealthy couple.
Look at the stuff coming out on Kevin Costner right now, Pacino, DeNiro, Beiber, Baldwins, on and on.
The difference is the BRF is under constant PR coverage, every time they go out in public.
And their “work” is public facing constantly.
I do not honestly care one way or the other.
I have a ton of financial and health problems of my own to deal with, as do most of us IRL.
Honestly, easiest job on the planet these 2. Dress in beautiful clothes and jewels, make a polite but stupid speech saying next to nothing, be wealthy. QE did the job for 70 years, can’t be that difficult.
Diana got the bulimia under control. Dr lipsedge treated Diana for bulimia and her sister Sarah for anorexia. Kate could look for a therapist if she does have ed and is unhealthily under weight
If they’re broken up (which im sure they are) it will have been William who ended it. He went off her for some reason, and left her. He doesn’t want to be with her or be touched by her, hence he doesn’t like it when she violates his boundaries.
He may well have been verbally abusive towards her, he treated her badly from the beginning, but that didn’t put her off wanting him. She’s like a puppy trying to elicit affection from a harsh human master.
I don’t know why people call him fails and her wails, when he’s been called William Wales all his life, and he’s the one who complains, wails, screams, shouts. She’s the one who fails at everything to do with her job.
Yikes.
Excellent point 😦
Royal protocol says no PDA. She should know this by now, which is why I believe this was not a butt tap. Looking at the clip, there is a man directly behind William. Kate put out her hand to prevent Wm from backing into him. Observations may vary but that’s my take.
It only seems to apply to some if it is a rule. Mike an z a r a were not called out for pda for services for the late queen.
I don’t care for William nor Kate but, I agree with Libra, it seems as through she was trying to stop William from backing into the man behind him. However, William did not welcome her attempt to assist him.
In the video I seen, there was no one behind Billy. In my opinion, it clearly showed KKKhate patting his butt. Not the first time she has done this……he does not want her to touch him. And I don’t know who….on this post stated, but I agree that KKKhate was sending out a message to Bill’s current side piece….
There is no protocol on PDA. Others do it and it’s fine. Kate and Will CHOOSE not to. Kate had her hand on Will’s ass ( or lower back) and he told her to remove it. She then dropped her hand and looked dejected. That’s my take.
And I haven’t seen this man directly behind William. Which video is he in? The videos and pics I saw didn’t have him in it. Some are saying Kate is handling Will like a mom because he is all over the place in the video. Where?
WK reminds me of my grand-uncle and grand-aunt. My grand-aunt similar to Kate was the the one forcing the relationship with my grand-uncle who didn’t really love her but eventually got married . But that marriage didn’t end happily. He had affairs and loved his mistress more. Those days, divorce was a dirty word so they stayed together but pretty much lived separate lives. And in the end he just had contempt of her. I can see that happening with William on Kate.
If the British public doesn’t see that this marriage is already doomed they are literally delusional. Actions speak louder than anything they print on their delusional tabloids.
I don’t think Kate was trying to prevent Peg from backing into the guy behind him because if that were her intent, she would have been looking behind her to see if the man was ok and alert Peg . She’s looking straight ahead the whole time or slightly over at him when he gives her the Death Glare. Also, she isn’t really one to look out for others, you know? Finally, if that had been the case, he would have looked behind himself too and noted the man’s presence and been (presumably) grateful she helped prevent a collision. None of that happened. She tried to touch his butt and he rejected her. Again.
I agree with every word you said. This is what makes sense!!
Kate’s power and control move. Bill is trapped!
Maximum impact on camera, with the bright red 80’s style dress. The mumbling stalker is trying to glean empathy and play the victim. Everything is calculated, she has manipulated the media into stating that W is always a monster and she is his delicate victim. Nasty W for not wanting the social climbing, trashy creature touching him. She wants the title and the money, her lifelong grifting education declares that she is not letting go. Cannot understand how the media and some people describe her as gentle, kind and humble, no one seems to be drawn to her, children always seem very wary, she does nothing except for posing for pictures, shopping and claiming she works hard. There is no evidence of her doing anything kind for anyone else, always cold and calculating, most of her publicity is extremely narcissistic.
For those keeping up with fake protocol:
Holding hands is bad.
Attempted public butt play is good.
I think this is the dress she planned on wearing for trooping. Before she was told she couldn’t wear red because Camilla was cosplaying as military.
ales, hard agree. You nailed it.
Was it “flirty” or “cheeky” as the British rags called it? Or was it a condescending pat to tell Pegs that he had goofed?
According to The Express:
“The gesture is not new to the Princess of Wales, who sent royal fans into a frenzy after doing the same as she walked the BAFTA red carpet with the Prince of Wales earlier this year.
Kate and William have been growing more generous with their public displays of affection after years of keeping their affection for each other under control when out and about.
But according to body language expert Judy James, Kate used the gesture as a form of reprimand after William made a mistake.
Speaking to The Mirror, James said: “This bum-tap gesture is part of a swift series of non-verbal signals between the couple, known as tie-signs.”
Funny because if this happened to HM, all the press would be all over it and replayed many times on how miserable their marriage is. But since it’s actually happening to WK and caught on camera, crickets…
This middlebum woman is more calculated than I already thought. Just look at her face when it dropped. She knew damn well William would rebuff her ridiculus PDA attempts. That smile to frown face is fake. She is nothing but a fraud and knows that later this would illicit Princesa Diana comparisons. Also, she probably did it to piss the mistress off. Possibly, Rose Hanbury. I think it’s calculated and more so for the reasons I said above instead of the fake love bird stories the BM dish out. She knew Willy would rebuff any gesture towards him at this point. He is literally DONE.
I’ve now watched this several times in slow-motion on my bigger computer screen and to me it looks like the guy behind William in the pink/purple tie said something to him and tried to get his attention (hand on back? I’m not sure), and William is giving him a “look”. He kind of looks past Kate to purple tie guy. Kate looks like she hunches to walk forward to the next thing that they’re doing.
All I see is her right big toe trying desperately to escape.
Maybe it was stage-managing? i.e. “Don’t step back any farther than this or you’ll tread on someone’s toe.”
I could see the royals having systems like that. If he hits his mark, he won’t even feel her hand. If he tries to step back too far, he will and can halt and adjust his position.
Just a failed attempt at happily married facade management. The rumors of living apart are rife online and Kate wants to combat them with a pat on William’s derrière only William isn’t interested.
Classy. She’s not allowed to flash her a** anymore so now keeps trying to grab his
ShoppeGirlMN, the problem with this scenario is that the man with the purple tie was behind Wails and not Fails. In addition, why was her hand that low down on his body? What was her face all about? She made it appear that he said something to her for touching him. If that’s not the case, why the face?
This seems like they doth protest too much.
If she’s hoping for a comparison to Diana, she’s out of luck. Diana was miserable after the years of gaslighting and lying to the press that the Escort and KFC did. Wails just looks calculating.
I don’t know why they don’t divorce and be done with it. The FK would be much more interesting as a single dad and dating dad. He could use that to his advantage (and would). I wonder the the Royal Lodge stuff is coming from Ma Mid and Wails. They keep hoping.