Valentine Low is best known to royal-gossips as the Times of London royal reporter who got the big exclusive on Kensington Palace’s attempts to frame the Duchess of Sussex as a “bully” in 2021, just days before the Sussexes’ Oprah interview aired. It was an obvious scheme to smear Meghan because KP was terrified that she would speak about just how horribly she was treated and how the Windsors are full of racists. Low used those connections – KP staffers mostly, Simon Case and Jason Knauf – to position himself as a royal biographer in tune with the royal courtiers. Thus, Low released his book, Courtiers: The Hidden Power Behind the Crown, last October. It made minimal impact, as did many of the royal books released in a rush last fall, ahead of the publication of Prince Harry’s Spare.
Well, now Courtiers is coming out in paperback, and Low has updated it with sections about what happened after QEII passed away, and how “race and racism” is one of the biggest issues facing King Charles’s reign. The new sections were excerpted in the Times, and there’s a lot of dumb drama about how Charles started firing people basically as soon as he became king, how Charles and Camilla changed the locks on Angela Kelly within days (we already knew that) and how Charles’s private secretary Clive Alderton (Prince Harry referred to him as the Wasp in Spare) is in over his head and already unpopular with the old-guard at Buckingham Palace. In the section where Low describes the Susan Hussey debacle last November, he goes into the royal issues around race and, of course, the Duchess of Sussex.
The Susan Hussey debacle revealed just how much of a problem the issue of race is for the palace. The underlying issue was not going to go away, however: the royal family has a problem with race, and has done so ever since Meghan made clear how unhappy she had been during her time as a working royal.
The “bullying investigation”: Later, it emerged that the palace had appointed an outside firm of solicitors to conduct an inquiry. Just over a year later, the palace said it would not be releasing the outcome of the inquiry, or even revealing what lessons had been learnt, on the grounds of confidentiality. But most people suspected that the real reason they were burying the report was to try to keep the peace with Harry and Meghan.
The Oprah interview: The second, bigger challenge faced by the palace in March 2021 was Harry and Meghan’s interview with Oprah Winfrey. For most people, their most damaging accusation concerned what one courtier awkwardly called “the r-word”. That had come up because of remarks that a member of the royal family supposedly made about the colour of Harry and Meghan’s future baby’s skin. A palace team had watched the interview overnight — it was screened in the US on the evening of Sunday, March 7, and was not due to be shown in the UK until the next day — and senior officials had spent the morning locked in conference calls as they debated how to respond. A draft statement was ready by 2pm on Monday. Much to the frustration of the media, however, the palace remained silent. One insider said, “One of the reasons was that the late Queen was adamant that she was going to watch the programme first.” And she was going to watch it with the rest of the population, on ITV on Monday evening.
The palace response: The next day, the serious negotiations began over the official response. William and Kate – the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge, as they were then — sat together on a sofa as they discussed with their officials how to deal with the Sussexes’ incendiary allegations. The draft statement they had at that point did not yet include the phrase that was to become famous, that “some recollections may vary”. The insider recalled, “It had a much milder version. The debate was, do you rise entirely above it and offer the olive branch of [Harry and Meghan being] ‘much loved members of the family’? Or is there some moment when you have to intervene and offer a view?”
Kate & William wanted a tough statement: While they were as concerned as anyone about not getting into a tit-for-tat with Harry and Meghan, William and Kate were clear which side of the debate they were on. “They wanted it toughened up a bit,” said the insider. “They were both of one mind that we needed something that said that the institution did not accept a lot of what had been said. He said, ‘It is really important that you guys come up with the right way of making sure that we are saying that this does not stand.’ She was certainly right behind him on it.”
Kate gets credit for “recollections may vary”: While some have attributed “recollections may vary” to Alderton, more than one source has said that the author was in fact Jean-Christophe Gray, William’s new private secretary, who had been in post for less than three weeks. At least two senior officials in other households were against its inclusion, because they feared that it would rile Harry and Meghan. But once the phrase had been added to the draft, it was — according to another source — the Duchess of Cambridge who pressed home the argument that it should remain. “It was Kate who clearly made the point, ‘History will judge this statement and unless this phrase or a phrase like it is included, everything that they have said will be taken as true.’ ”
Steely Keen: This was, said the source, yet another example of how Kate is often far steelier than she appears. “She does not get as much credit as she should, because she is so subtle about it. She is playing the long game. She has always got her eye on, ‘This is my life and my historic path and I am going to be the Queen one day.’ ” The toughened-up draft went to Buckingham Palace for approval, and came back a couple of hours later. The Queen had said yes.
Palace inertia: One critic who has seen the system from the inside argues that the palace has lost its way. It is partly, they say, down to a management culture that does not encourage risk-taking. “You’ve got a complete inertia in my view, a complete inability to make decisions, to lead, to think about things strategically. And that is why you end up in this mess that they’re in with the Sussexes, [the] Duke of York and the staff issues. Because they’re so worried about their own positions. They kind of lose track of what being a leader is.”
Meghan “never really wanted to be accepted”: Courtiers at their worst can fan the flames of family dissent, over-energetically pursuing their principal’s agenda at the cost of the wider interests of the institution. They can also be the voice of conservatism, which, depending on circumstances, can be a good thing or a bad thing. If they are protecting the monarchy from the foolishness of a member of the royal family who thinks they know best, that can only be for the good. But if they stand in the path of progress, the verdict of history will not be kind to them. Some of those who worked with Meghan argue that she never really wanted to be accepted by the royal family. That might be true. But if the institution had tried harder, and if she had been more willing to adapt herself to palace life, she could have been one of the royal family’s greatest assets.
It’s difficult to take any of this seriously given how many times Low unquestioningly parrots the palace’s talking points. As in, it’s not our fault that we were unspeakably racist to Meghan, she never really wanted to fit into the royal family! GMAFB. The thing about the inquiry into the bullying accusations is also the palace’s talking point – if the accusations had ever been credible, if there was ever evidence that Meghan mistreated anyone, Knauf and Case would have leaked that sh-t years ago. It was always a trumped-up scheme to abuse and smear a Black woman who was speaking about how badly she had been treated. They could never release the findings of the inquiry because the findings made William and Kate look like what they are: racist imbeciles who can’t run an effective office.
As for Kate suddenly getting the credit/blame for “recollections may vary”… while I doubt Kate came up with it or even argued strongly for it, it’s fascinating that Kate is being pushed as the architect of that gaslighting bullsh-t. It’s also notable because this was 2021, about a year and a half before QEII passed away. Just how many statements were made with QEII’s “authorization” which she had nothing to do with?
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I just can’t even with these people. So now it was *not* THE QUEEN who said this “recollections may vary” bit, but Kate who inserted it? Oh really? I seem to recall this being attributed non-stop to the Queen herself. Recall it quite well. In fact, from the very same people now claiming it was actually Kate, or even worse, a courtier (!?!). Recollection do vary, indeed, with this lot.
Yeah, I’m struggling a bit with Mumbles have the intellect to conceive of that sentence. Unless Ma Middleton did? But even then, I just don’t see K having any kind of clout or agency to be included in the conversation to begin with.
I agree. Kate has zero pull in that family. She wants us to believe that she is more important than she is and that they would be lost without her.
It says right there in the article that the author of “recollections may vary” was “Jean-Christophe Gray, William’s new private secretary, who had been in post for less than three weeks.” It wasn’t Kate’s or CarolE’s wording. Kate would never be asked to draft an official response.
I agree. Kate has gotten this far because she keeps her head down and toes the party line. That is as far as her strategizing goes. She is not pushing for anything, lest she get pushed out. Or become the scapegoat for all the BRF’s woes.
They are not saying that Kate came up with this ( snort ,as if ) but that it was from one of William’s new advisors at the time.
Two other adviser pushed back against it , but Kate insisted that it be added.
THAT i can believe , it’s got mean girl vibes all over it.
i’m surprised however that they are giving her credit for it. Credit, not blame because make no mistake, this phrase is seen as win from the BRF side.
That line is dragged out again and again by very journalist anytime they want to discredit the Sussexes.
The lack of any pushback from KP shows they don’t disagree with how Kate is being portrayed here. The hand of steel in a velvet glove bullshit.
I don’t believe it was Mumbles. I do believe it was Peg. Are they throwing Mumbles under the bus some more?
@Hannah Kate has the intellect. Check out her GCSE grades compare to the rest of the BRF in the Tattler article from August 2022.
Using standardized test scores from 30 years ago is pretty meaningless when we have 20 years of kate saying little and when she does speak she comes off as dim. She took prep courses and did directed studying which is not proof of anything other than she can take tests.
And being an art history major but knowing nothing about Fabrege eggs? What was she doing at St Andrews but chase William? She certainly didn’t develop speech skills while there.
Kate Middleton’s GCSE results aren’t known, nor are William’s.
@Tennyson.Sarah: From Tatler — “Studious Kate (pictured front left as a pupil at St Andrew’s School) gained 11 GCSEs at Marlborough College in Wiltshire before achieving three A-levels in 2000; As in both Maths and Art, and a B in English. Similarly to William, she also took a gap year, and hers included undertaking a Raleigh International programme in Chile. Kate then started at the University of St Andrews the same year as William, on the same course (before he switched subjects), graduating in 2005 with a 2:1 in History of Art.”
This, however, does not make her Albert Einstein. She was a totally average student.
Williams a’level results were ABC.
Someone at Marlborough said Kate was a straight A student although I find that hard to believe. They also said she was brilliant at art and sport. She drew a snail at a royal visit which looked very child like and someone who saw her play tennis said he was surprised to see she wasn’t very good at it. He expected her to be good but she was stiff. He said she was better than William though who was very wooden.
A Marlborough teacher said “She was unexceptional. Anybody who says otherwise is speaking with hindsight and the glow of royalty”.
A St. Andrews professor said she was conscientious rather than clever.
Whatever her academic grades, she seems to have trouble stringing a sentence together. So I expect she was repeating what Carole had said to her. That history will judge etc.
Pineapple Sundae, Kate never used the art history degree. She is no great intellect.She has bad speech and really has not accomplished anything other than waiting out 10 years for the ring.
Julie the fact that they are giving credit to a random person who would have even less knowledge of what conversations Harry has had with other members of the family from two years prior gives even less credibility to the statement. So there strategy is someone brand new to the fold who has never met Harry or likely all of the other members of the family, is giving input into several conversations Harry had from at least two years prior to the interview? So the family that was concerned that this statement would rile Harry and Meghan up allowed a basic stranger to write their statement for them and then allowed a lie to blame the statement on their elderly family member, the Queen? The family member who they used to garner sympathy by going on and on about her sick husband who was in the hospital? That is far worse than blaming an empty vessel that can’t put words together to form a coherent sentence.
Yes LadyE, the queen was not a nice person. Her opting out of all sorts of laws to her own benefit and to the detriment of her subjects speaks to that no matter what her public image was.
And we have all seen and heard K speak. There is little to suggest in a family where the actual monarchs (to be) want the most input and attention they all of a sudden decided to shut up and listen to K.
I don’t think Kate would have even been part of the discussion here.
When do we think William moved to Sandringham? Around March 2021, right? I know it’s a tinfoil theory, but wonder if there was any connection between his move and the response to the Oprah interview.
Becks- I’ve always thought that the Oprah interview triggered some serious issue between W&K.
What’s in that apology note Meg said Kate wrote her? I’m guessing it’s evidence of something that Willy is mad Kate left evidence of.
William might just be mad that kate was specifically named for the crying story and was exposed for putting a false story out there. It reflects on him that she did this.
While William has been suspected as the one questioning the baby’s skin colour, he was never named by Harry or Meghan. And maybe it was kate who expressed these concerns to Harry. She clearly didn’t have boundaries when it came to imposing what she wanted with the bridesmaid dresses.
All this story does is to show kate was defensive about that interview and reopens the possibility that she was behind the skin colour comment.
Nic, I don’t think it was Kate making the color comment only because in the Oprah interview, Meghan specifically said Kate was a “good person, going through some things”. She and Harry *know* who said that (w/Harry saying he would *never* say who, as it would be *too damaging* to their reputation).
I doubt Meg would say that about Kate if she’d be the one to make the comment about Archie’s skin color.
I still think it’s William too, but this story certainly wants to give Kate credit for more than is realistic.
I do think Princess C-word of Wales is the one who commented about Archie’s skin color. That doesn’t make Willie any less of a racist, I just happen to think she was the one who made this particular comment.
Maybe William had no idea about the comment until he heard the Oprah interview and when the follow up publicized that it wasn’t Betty or Phil, William’s brain managed to deduce that it was his very own wife. Would that have been enough to anger him out to Sandringham? Perhaps. Not because he cares about POC but because he knew it harmed the monarchy.
I really think it was her. Calling KKKate a “good person” was a lie that Meghan had no choice but to tell.
@ Gabby, and to add credibility to your post, wasn’t that when Keen had attended an event the following day, or a few days after, in which it was to be a solo Keen attendance but WanK attended as well?? That could give your post some credibility as he had usually not tagged along with Keen. And he was clearly keeping her away from reporters as well.
Something to think about….
You’re right, @BothSidesNow, that first engagement after the interview was just supposed to be Kate. William tagged along, almost like he didn’t trust her to handle it.
Of course it wasn’t the Queen who came up with that phrase. I can’t believe that people thought the Queen composes these statements. The ninety something years old just signs them off. The phrase had all the hallmarks of a sneering courtier.
This is why Harry was worried about who was influencing his grandmother.
It’s funny because this is how Kate was portrayed in that play that ran a few years ago, “King Charles III” (I think that was the name). I saw it in NYC and it showed Kate as the one in charge behind the scenes, calling many of the shots, much “steelier” and outspoken than her public persona. It was laughable at the time and still is.
Agree @PrincessK. My opinion is that it was Edward Young that drafted that statement in coordination with whoever. Definitely not Kate. It wasn’t the Queen. The Sussexes discussed their relationship with QE2 & Philip. Positive. It came out the day after the interview in the US that it was not QE2 or Philip that made the comment.
There was never a “bullying investigation”. The Sussexes 25 page legal rebuttal to “bullying claims” stopped that. All they “possibly” did was a review on how HR should handle bullying claims.
That woman, who famously said at a round table discussion with Dr. Jill Biden, ‘giving tools to babies to raise their babies’ with multiple uhms and errs?-did not emit that history statement. LOL @ the Queen giving it her go ahead after not Kate’s input. This is funny shit. It’s amazing all these things from QE2 posthumously. F*cking assholes & clown show.
The Kate ‘testing the smell by smelling it’ is around the 2:30ish mark. Around the 2:01/03ish mark, QE2 drops her mask about something. Not sure if it’s re: Cam or Kate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69J_d8FGebM
The woman can barely put a first grade class sentence together but people should believe she came up with this particular turn of phrase? Only the uneducated (loved by trump and the tories) would buy that. Never mind that she does not have that kind of flex in that firm. She was nowhere near that statement.
I find it hard to believe that Kate could be “even steelier” than she appears. She already seems to be made of titanium. I don’t want to think of someone steelier than her.
I don’t doubt for a second Kate’s strong feelings and actions against Meghan, but this has Camilla’s fingerprints all over it. Kate doesn’t say boo without William, and if he was already there arguing that the statement should be stronger then it’s highly doubtful she did more than nod assent.
Who has everything to gain by fingering Kate as the main married-in lobbying against Harry and Meghan? Who has all of the right press contacts to push this story? And who now gets to drop out altogether from any future Harry-versus-Camilla, Harry-and-Meghan-versus-the-BRF stories, making it all about mean, nasty, racist Kate from the get-go? Camilla.
Kate, you in danger gurl….
100%, Esther, You’ve hit the nail on the proverbial head.
100% facts! Losing H&M has made the BRF look terrible and the geezerly slimmed down monarchy looks even worse. Peggs and Mannequin aren’t able to gain interest at all and both are lazy. The heir can’t be blamed for this eff up so kkkate will be blamed for it all. Chuck and cams get revenge for kkkate and the midds trying to jump them and will gets rid of an inconvenient wife. Her playacting hurt feelings at being rebuffed are to try to force Billy to keep her as his wife. He’s done. Chuck and Cams never liked kkkeen or her family so this is a win win
Yes, @ Lady Ester has solved this convoluted puzzle. Camzilla has her claws out as she isn’t some spring chicken. She was able to terrorize Diana and the rest of the women in the aristo-Toft turfs. Camzilla has been around the block a few times and knows how and when to play the game.
I’m with you on this. This is throwing Kate right under the royal bus and backing over a second time. I’m still not 100% sure a divorce will ever happen, but something is definitely happening behind the scenes and Kate is being set up to take the fall. This article gives all the vibes of making Kate the prime villain.
The recent daily Mail article about Kate’s muscles/fit body allowed negative comments. For years the DM has been deleting/not posting the criticism of Kate…. So something has happened to change their treatment of her.
Daily mail comments used to be 99% negative about Kate. Then DM started censoring them, not letting through criticism, fixing the green arrows. Comments were mostly fake praise from paid pr staff. When uk first went into lockdown all the gushing praise suddenly disappeared. The Paid astroturfers were not at work.
The real comments from the public are mostly critical, with some defending her because they feel sorry for her.
@Cairidh – I also noticed this, how the DM are able to get away with farming comments like this is beyond me.
Valentine Low usually gets his info from KP so I’d be more likely to believe this came from William than Camilla. And also I think there was probably an even harsher version than the recollections may vary line. William and Kate both were likely in favor of the harshest version. They’re just naming Kate here and not William when really it was both of them. If it was coming from Camilla, I think she’d say that both of them were pushing for the statement to be included. Bc both William and Kate wanted the Sussexes shut down. But it’s only naming Kate which makes me think it’s coming from William’s people rather than Camilla’s.
@LadyEsther you are so right. Kate has stepped on camzilla and Charlie’s toes once to often, and this is just the start of the push back, and boy am I here for it
Kate is a mean girl through and through, now after the Chelsea flower show, the coronation the engagements on the same day as Charlie and camzilla, the fight back is starting. Kate had better start treading really softly as you never know when camzilla will have another lunch date with Clarkson or (the strangely quiet) Morgan!!, the Queen made the statement and she was not calling Megan a liar, if anything it was directed at those within they palace! She might have been elderly but back then she was starting to see through some of the goings on
If you look back at the pictures of the Queen’s jubilee and other pictures of her with the family, there are NONE of her interacting with Kate, it’s always with the children
Let’s not forget how the queen openly blew her off at the end of the choo choo tour.
There was very little interaction between the queen and kate for a reason. That Meghan has done as many solo events with the Queen as Kate did despite her being in the family 7 years before says a lot.
@marypester. You are completely accurate. On top of the yours and the others mentioning there is also a video on you tube from the royal family channel. It’s headline is praising kate for curtsying to the queen. When you watch the video it literally shows Elizabeth COMPLETELY ignoring Kate AND William. It was during Christmas. She completely snubbed them both and William hurriedly rushed her along after he realized what she was doing. She literally didn’t even acknowledge her and then started talking to Edward and Sophie. You could tell the derangers noticed it because they immediately started praising Kate and saying what OBVIOUSLY DIDNT occur some even making up Kate blew her a kiss. Absolutely crazy. But I do think the Queen caught onto it all in the end and she let Kate know it.
@ Nic919, oh, absolutely. QEII had seen who the real Kate was and she didn’t like it, as to the QEII, family stuck together no matter what. Kate was spitting fire when QEII took Meghan on an overnight trip on her Majesty’s train. Hell, even QEII told Meghan to enter the car before her. This trip was less than a month after her marriage to Harry.
I would also like to add that QEII and Anne always had a close bond as mother and daughter. Anne may have heard some unkind words which Keen had spoke out openly against Meghan which made their way to Anne. Anne does not seem to be one that bites her tongue and she shared these conversations with her mother. To which Anne exposed who the “true” Keen was, behind her maniac smile and jazz hands.
I only say this as Anne seems to be a genuinely good egg in that family of vipers. She stayed with her mum once she passed and waited for Harry to arrive and left Harry to spend time with her.
Though I could be completely out of my mind…
The Daily Fail is already trolling Kate.
@LadyEsther, that’s a great point. Although most of the comments I saw on this story were like, “Go Kate!” or “Well done, Kate!” so if Consort Sidepiece was behind it, it might have backfired— but only in the short term.
I totally agree with you that the BRF is setting Kate up to take most of the blame should they ever decide to admit that losing the Sussexes was, in fact, bad for them.
@Lady Esther
This is a plausible explanation, since William’s ‘friend’ claimed that Camilla shared her discomfort with Harry to King Charles 3, what remains unclear if that is the unstated reason for the eviction of Harry and his family from Frogmore Cottage.
William’s response was in retaliation of the suggestion that Andrew was being harassed to leave the Royal Lodge for the Wails.
It is doubtful Kate keen came up with that statement. She has no real initiative to come up with that. Kate still comes across as the mean girl and playing victim after she made things miserable for.meghan who was planning the wedding. Kate has no business interfering. Harry chronicles thus in spare. Kate is dependent on wills whims and is not powerful.
I don’t think Keen came up with it either but I think she’s a pretty convenient villian. That statement did NOT age well and there’s no way they’d let one of the heirs take responsibility for it imo. This does call into question how many statements are actually from The Queen.
Honestly this is my take. She’s a convenient villain here. Do i think she’s a garbage person? Yes. But I also think here she is being used so they don’t have to name an actual royal.
@becks1: I have to disagree. I don’t think she’s being portrayed as a villain at all here. On the contrary, this is some keen embiggening. And in the minds of royalists and those with short term memories it will come off positively
The royalists are like MAGA though. Decent people don’t think what kate did was smart, especially when it is justified as “protecting the white monarchy”. And kate sacrificed her dignity to get this position so of course she wants push back.
The queen was never portrayed as aggressive and that’s important in the imagination of royalists. She was a benign power in media portrayals. Any woman who gets too assertive gets removed. And this is a seed to be used against kate when William decides he’s done.
Exactly Chloe
They are not blaming Kate, they are giving her Credit. This is 100% an embiggening.
That sentence is used all the time by journalists against the Sussexes, as recently as articles on the car chase , what 3 years after it was first used.
From their POV, this was their most successful clap back, whether or not Kate was involved, they are saying she is important and part of the conversation.
Why are they doing this though is the real question? Unlike many here, i do not believe W&K will ever divorce, they will remain married till the bitter end and if there is a crown to be had, Kate will make sure it lands on her head.
Oh sure, this article sounds like praise. It’s not meant to be negative. But there’s material in there that can easily be turned negative. How she’s steely and focused on the crown. How she basically told the queen what to say. It can all easily be turned against Kate. It’s laying groundwork. Subtly shifting tone with words that can have very negative connotations. We’re not there yet… but it’s gotta be coming. Or else: why even write this years after the fact? Why not praise Kate for it earlier?
They are laying the groundwork that Kate can be scheming. And right now Camilla is viewed as a schemer so a lot of that can start to be shifted against Kate.
Yep–the hardcore royalists all think “Recollections May Vary” was a real zinger. It wasn’t, and their rehash of that particular line shows how out of touch they all are. It’s the same group of people who think Major Johnny and the other guy are real hot stuff. Embarrassing.
@Julie— exactly! The ROTA and their ilk are constantly using it, they think it was a brilliant statement and like to remind the public of it at every opportunity. They especially enjoyed throwing it around the time of the car chase. People are praising Kate for pushing for its inclusion.
@Rapunzel, too late to edit, but ITA that the wording is chosen very carefully, in a way that could be spun negatively about Kate in the future should they choose to throw her under the bus completely at some point. They’ve been doing it for a while, but somehow I doubt Kate is smart enough to pick up on this.
@Julie, that phrase IS NOT used by true journalists. It’s used by the BM/RR’s/sycophants/tentacles. It’s not a successful clapback. It’s a passive/aggressive response to something that can’t be denied completely. Especially when there are receipts.
“…if she had been more willing to adapt herself to palace life.” The woman twisted herself into a 🥨 trying to please these racist gaslighters. Until she literally became suicidal. The suicidal ideation is what they keep leaving out because even they know it makes them look very bad.
Exactly this @Brassy Rebel.
I was fuming when I read that. We know what they mean with that. She was supposeed to be in aw of the palace, feel like a sub human, do the biddings of the courtiers and never have any will, ideas or voice of her own.
I watched tthe first part of a documentary about Andrew yesterday. It showed that Fergie had huge problems with courtiers as well. At least three married-ins, Fergie, Diana and Meghan, have made it clear the men in grey have made their lives in the RF horrible, and the RF has let it happen again and again. It says a lot when all these three women had/has spirit and a will of their own.
All the royals are supposed to do what the courtiers say, and have no will, ideas or voice of their own.
It’s not a case of the RF “letting it happen” to Diana, Sarah and Meghan. They don’t have the power to stop the courtiers, who are doing it to them too. Born royals grow up in that world and are used to it. Anyone marrying into it, understandably finds it difficult to be a grown adult and not have control over their own life.
Even the Queen was controlled by the men in grey. The government gave her a list of names to choose from, to appoint a courtier. If she wasn’t happy with him, she could dismiss him, but then she’d have to choose another name from the list. The view was that she wouldn’t be allowed to dismiss the second choice. Whoever she chose, there would be someone picked by the government, telling her what to do.
I don’t agree there. They have the power to both hire and fire people. Even if the government were appointing all of their employees, they are grown people who have the option of speaking up against the horrible “work culture”. If they had taken a serious house cleaning and done the work to make it a more friendly work environment, things could’ve been a lot better when Meghan entered the scene. The big problem is, they’re like a cult. Brainwashed from birth to go along with it, and they don’t have that outside experience of healthy environments as good examples to follow.
I assume that “adapt herself to palace life” meant that she should not have any opinions or feelings or complain about what was happening to her–sort of a dumbing down of her intelligence and character, right? In other words, she should have taken the blame for everything and played the black version of a dumb blond??
In other words, they did not want her to act like a grown woman. How insulting to all women.
I’m going to say a ton of the statements released were sat in front of her and she was told it was a good idea by people she ” trusted ” and she signed it. It’s pretty obvious now that you can connect a lot of things rocketing downhill for the perception (not actual treatment) of that family to Charles and Andrew running out Geidt, Philip retiring ( and clearly taking the influence and fear he wielded internally with him), and the queen seemingly suffering from some form of dementia. I was never a royalist but I didn’t have the outright disgust that I have for this family in 2016, I was stupidly excited for Meghan.
ETA- they really are throwing her under the bus on a weekly basis now. Not sure if it’s William some weeks or Camilla.
I think you’re on the right track with Philip retiring and Charles and Andrew getting rid of Geldt, TQ private secretary for 10 years – two of TQ’s most trusted advisors. An interesting question is what she thought of new private secretary Edward Young, who replaced him – he’d already been in BP, having been Geldt’s deputy for many years. Did she trust him at first, or did she already sense he was the proverbial wolf in sheep’s clothing? Or did she only start to realize it with the several issues arising which Harry described in Spare.
Charles got rid of Geldt in favor of Young, because he had an agenda. Ageism aside, dementia is a facile excuse for enacting what looks like a definite, devious plan to control/manipulate what went on in BP as soon as Philip was out of the picture. We don’t know her mental state, but we do know TQ became physically seriously ill at some unknown point, obvious only after the dramatic weight loss, and that could be a factor in her ability to control anything as time passed.
One person who would’ve known what was going on at BP, was Harry. Assuming TQ was aware of the smear campaign against Meghan, I wondered a while back if Harry had told her not to get involved, that he would deal with it – because he knew Charles via Young was behind at least some of it, and that’s why there was no pushback from BP to what was in the media. (It must have been a further emotional blow, and loss of someone she could trust, when Harry told her in 2019 that he and his family – TQ, at least, cared about family – were making plans to leave the UK.)
One thing I’m curious about, that we’ll never know, is what Anne thought about all these goings on over the last years of TQ’s life.
With respect to the statement, I wouldn’t be surprised if, as suggested below, someone added a few words after the statement was signed, the way they issued that joint Will/Harry statement Harry never signed. It’s an understatement to say in no way is Kate a power player here, so that if in fact her opinion was asked, it was only because this was the statement BP wanted to issue anyway, and they could blame her later.
It always makes me so unfathomably angry when these “experts” put the onus on Meghan. To them, she should have taken their racist bullying on the chin so they could use her as a diversity prop to protect everyone else. The sad part is, Meghan understood this. In the Oprah interview, she spoke very clearly about the importance of representation and what her and Harry’s marriage looked like to the Commonwealth. She was ready to play that role (not that I agree with that choice but whatever) all they had to do was treat her like the asset they now claim she could have been.
Yeah, right there in the first quote:
“The underlying issue was not going to go away, however: the royal family has a problem with race, and has done so ever since Meghan made clear how unhappy she had been during her time as a working royal.”
The RF did not just develop a problem with race when Meghan came on the scene, or during the Oprah interview. They have had a problem with race for decades (longer if you count the dead royals)
Meghan caused an entire country to suddenly acquire a race problem.
@ HamsterJam, no, Meghan brought out the truth that the BRF has a racist problem. They have always had it and still do. Look at their dismal employment ethnicity numbers which haven’t improved much in the last 2 years and probably will not improve either. And let’s not forget that no diversity czar was hired as well which is another failed promise too. All smoke and mirrors with this bunch.
One thing that made me laugh is the idea that the bullying report got disappeared because it made Meghan and Harry look bad.
But as to the treatment she faced when she arrived, DEI attempts don’t just fail because people want to keep being racist. The behaviors and strategies used by racists are learned through white on white bullying and toxic behavior. It’s the same stuff, magnified and adapted for darker hued targets. The Palaces can’t do anything about the racism, because that would involve banning the bullying behaviors they constantly use on each other.
Yeah, that was a particular bit of royal family bullshit. As if they would ever sit on anything that would make Meghan and Harry look bad. They made fun of her for eating avocado toast, they would throw a parade if they had proof Meghan bullied anyone.
I still get so annoyed whenever I’m reminded of that BS “bullying” accusation.
Anyone with two brain cells to rub together was able to see from the timing alone that it was a lame attempt borne out of sheer desperation on the part of the BRF to damage Meghan’s credibility literally hours before the Oprah interview aired. Nothing ever came of it, and she was never exonerated.
Obviously people who’d been paying attention all along knew it was nonsense and Meghan was THE ONE BEING BULLIED, but those people weren’t the target audience for that last minute, made-up crap, and the people who it *was* meant for ate it up and still refer to her as a bully to this day. (Even though Kate is the one who can’t keep a private secretary for more than five minutes.)
The staff turnover for Khate and Wills is phenomenal. Nothing to see here, they are not bullies. It appears to be normal that no one can stand working for them for very long, except for Jason Knauf who is the keeper of many secrets . No mention of this, its always attack after attack on H and M. Khate may have receipts on the royals, but is it worth it to destroy the entire family, just to feed her giant ego, her hate towards any of her perceived competition and belief in her own superiority is tangible.
Personally I do think that K is a mean girl so to speak. She probably had no issue with that statement. Is she the one that came up with those words and pushed them through to publication in the queen’s name?! Kate!?! No. First off, one of the fascinating tidbits of info that came out during CRex’s coronation was how little Kate gets what she wants. Next, the queen is the ultimate person who owns that cold, nasty statement against her grandson and granddaughter in law. However, a few courtiers, KC and W definitely helped vary the recollections in that statement.
Looks like they are preparing Kkkhate as the sacrificial lamb in the future. Couldn’t have happened to a better person.
Also, Low is deliberately reaching the wrong conclusion to muddy the waters. Very obvious that hiding the findings of the investigation was not designed to protect the Sussexes but to hide the exonerating evidence and pour more suspicion on them.
At this point, I don’t think there is anything that could be done to right the wrongs they’ve faced. Even if in the future everything is revealed for what it is, what would be the point? After the heinous attacks they’ve received I would not blame them one bit if they refused to accept any apologies or make amends.
It will be Kate only until Louis is old enough to become the family scapegoat.
It’s hilarious Low thinks serious people will believe that the white royals would keep any favourable report hidden to protect Harry and Meghan. Not after years of attacking them when they should have remained quiet.
Kate could have denied the story to the media. I doubt kate came up with the statement recollections may vary. It shows her pettiness the way she is playing victim.
Oh, baloney. Kate can’t string two words together, let alone come up with a St. Crispin’s Day speech about how history will judge the RF’s response. And her long game was marrying William. After that, it’s “don’t make waves” until she becomes Queen.
I couldn’t agree more, those words never passed her lips.
My very first thought when I read this; Kate couldn’t even read this off a note card or teleprompter, much less give a “history will judge us” speech without multiple tried and substantial editing.
Kate’s being thrown under the bus. Between her shady family and now this she’s being set up to be the driving force for the bad blood between Harry and William, when in reality its William. She’s lasted longer than Diana but I think she’s going to suffer the same fate of being tossed out of the family. I hope she and Ma Middleton negotiated a good golden parachute.
Having been a victim of a number of vile, destructive women during my life, starting with my mother, none of them deserve any rewards. The public quietness and reserve, though occasionally the facade drops, is all an act, behind closed doors they are monsters beyond belief. I truly hope Khate gets what she deserves, definitely not a golden parachute.
@ales me too. Everything you said. Hugs to you.
And what does Low have to say about how the RF and Palace managed the Andrew situation?
“The royal family has a problem with race, and has done so ever since Meghan made clear how unhappy she had been“
False. The BRF has had a problem with race since colonization. The inherent racism in the institution is absolutely nothing new to this decade or even century.
This. For the royal family, racism is a feature, not a bug. It’s where all their money and power came from.
I doubt it’s true that Kate did or said any of this. But even if it is, why say so now?
Kate, you in danger, girl. Someone is trying to set you up as the architect behind the estrangement between the BRF and H&M. You might soon find yourself branded the royal racist. And I’d be worried. This is your exit being written.
Sure is. Exit stage left.
So Katie Keen had a thought? Praise be!
PS: Carole, if you’re reading this, don’t let Kate sign an NDA. She might earn more with a tell-all book and tour than with a settlement. Line up a ghostwriter now.
Whatever you do Kate, don’t sign a NDA.
As well as bringing ‘Waity Katie’ back into the public imagination with the Oprah TV interview, Meghan mentioning in a print interview that she never signed a NDA with the royals has probably taken that choice out of MaMid’s hands.
At every turn the firm underestimated and disregarded M with the tunnel vision of trying to break the Sussex marriage and get H back and I can’t imagine it dawned on them that shutting M out of the negotiations would mean anything until she let that little dart fly in the midst of a larger piece. I would be astonished if Kate had any leverage to negotiate no NDA, they have Diana’s example and now Harry with his book. That would make it a priority for the firm to lock Kate down.
She will have no choice but to to sign an NDA if they want her to and if she wants any reasonable future contact with her children.
@InterestedGawker “…I can’t imagine it dawned on them that shutting Meghan out of the negotiations would mean anything until she let that little dart fly…”
IKR? Oops! And you just know they all must have thought they were being so clever maneuvering to get Harry alone for that conversation.
@Shawna, I laughed out loud at “Praise be!”
I agree with you with you made the statement that how many of those printed statement that are supposed to be by the Queen we’re actually by the 👑. People have to remember she was an elderly lady she was 96 when she died, I I think the reason they feel comfortable with doing this is because I think they did it before like with the statement that Charles got from the queen fan that Camilla would not be called Queen consort she will be called Queen, I believe that statement was not from the queen I think that was made up inserted slap the Queen’s name on it and her signature I guarantee you what she agreed to sign and what she ended up signing we’re two different papers. I think what happened is the queen approve of a statement they get that statement insert what they want into the statement and then send it off saying this is a decree from the queen. I think some of it was a decree I think the consort part or not Camilla not being called account for I think that was an insert, as well as Kate with the “recollections may very”. I also think that was an insert. I don’t think that was on the original statement when the 👑 signed her name. A lot of forgery has been going on. And I’m not surprised. And that’s probably the biggest reason why they try to prevent Harry from seeing Queen, because they were running the Queen’s business underneath her nose. They were taking advantage of an old lady, I consider that elder abuse.
The palace has a history of forgery in documents. Remember the statement “coming ” from the 2 brothers about the bullying accusation in Times that Harry never signed? If they felt it was OK to do it to Harry, then it was surely OK to do it with the queen who was much older and vulnerable… and probably left uninformed…Charles ruled the last 6-7 years before the queen’s death. I believe it started when he (with Andrew, I think) throw away in 2016/2017 ? her private secretary and appointed Edward Young in his place. Their machinations were despicable.
I don’t think Charles did anything significant until Phillip passed. I also don’t think her decline was noticeable until the last year or so.
This probably ties into what Harry said about being concerned about the people around the queen. She was surrounded by sharks and Harry knew it. Including sharks in her own family.
I don’t think Keen came up with the phrase but remember how she came out during the walkabout – very assertive and controlling. This is what this reminds me of – like power behind the throne crap but more of a mean girl. She will step up if she needs to and get a point across that benefits her but wasn’t invented by her.
Yup i see that too. She will protect what she sees as hers.
i also saw a different face to kate on that day other than the bumbling idiot that cant string 2 words together.
It’s scary to me how they paint Meghan as this scary mixed Black woman but yes, the behaviour of Kate on that day and Meghan looked so weary and afraid or something.
Kate’s behavior the day of that walkabout was so creepy that it STILL bothers so many of us, to this day, to even think about it. Remembering some of her expressions and aggressive body language toward Meghan. God only knows what happened behind closed doors if Kate felt comfortable behaving that way in front of a million cameras, because poor Meghan looked terrified.
Kate really has a problem controlling herself. She showed it that day, and she’s showed it in numerous church services where the Sussexes were present. She’s usually good at keeping up appearances, but the mask has been slipping more frequently, and when it does, it’s scary.
As is the fact that she is unable to control her behavior for short periods of time when she knows there are cameras on her. It’s as if her rage just takes over every once in a while. Her husband *always* appears to be full of rage, so we’re used to it, but when she is, she is simply unable to hide it so it stands out more. (See “WHAT ELSE.”)
Kate has a particular problem controlling her expressions when Meghan is there. From the commonwealth service on it was obvious, but even the wedding itself, kate barely looked at Meghan and Harry and had a grumpy face for most of the ceremony
William may have anger issues, but he didn’t act foolish during the commonwealth service nor was he acting ice cold during the walkabout. He actually spoke to Meghan at one point. Something kate never did and just glared instead.
Unable didn’t come with that phrase, they said, she asked for it to be kept in the Statement.
A woman that asked if you can taste Tea, by smelling it, and thought they were still making Faberge Eggs.
Why oh why are they bringing this up again? Who on earth is advising them? All it’s doing is reminding people of what was said. “Recollections may vary” but, no-one is denying it was said. After years of silence on the matter Kate has now agreed to let us all know that SHE was responsible for the statement. If so it begs the question as to why?
What’s noticeable in this article is there are several references to Kate’s “steely nature” and her ability to play “the long game” None of which place her in a favourable light. It’s obvious that she hasn’t realised it but, this article makes it look as if she (and not William) had “concerns” about the colour of a baby. The woman had such a huge problem with Meghan’s children that the “Early Years Expert” made a point (along with her husband) of not attending a little girl’s birthday party!
Kate better be careful because I can hear the screeching brakes of a bus while the palace(s) prepare to save the heir and blame the whole sorry mess on to her!
It’s clear the “recollections may vary” line was from that one courtier who was new to the job and trying to ingratiate himself. They never named this guy before so really the story is that kate wanted a meaner version of a response.
It is not a shock to anyone watching how kate has acted toward Meghan in the last few years that she wanted to be meaner because Kate is living a miserable life and hates Meghan for her happniness. Kate acted like a jealous mean girl during the funeral events and it does not make her look steely. It makes her look pathetic.
That said if she is taking credit for this, it’s not going to play well outside of the stan white supremacy circles. That response was not seen as a good one in the outside world.
But she probably was mad because for the first time ever kate was called out to an international global audience that she was a mean girl who was ok with a lie continuing to remain in the public sphere. That interview damaged her reputation permanently and Harry’s book made it worse.
While her actions at the last commonwealth service made it obvious to us that she is a pathetic woman, the interview I think even shocked us because none of us assumed the crying story was false. We thought it might have been post pregnancy hormones, not that kate made Meghan cry.
Anyway this is another story that goes in the column of “kate making it difficult and why H and M left” which will be turned against her when William wants a public separation.
“That response was not seen as a good one in the outside world.”
Agree with the rest of your response , but no that sentence reverberated around the world and it was seen as an effective clap back and it is STILL used all the time.
It was pithy and mean but wrapped in a thick veneer of politeness, it was really incredibly effective in term of palace communications because it stuck with a lot of people and created doubt on the Sussex’s truth.
Immediately after the palace response, Meghan’s friend Janina tried to push back against that line on British TV with ‘their recollections may vary but ours do not’ but that unfortunately didn’t hit the mark which is a shame , because it was quite a good response too.
It was also mocked too. But even if some did like it, that is not something Charles or William would want Kate to get credit for.
Either Kate has gone to Low for some image rehab, or Camilla is planting seeds that she’s a schemer.
And even worse, kate is now taking credit for something that the queen supposedly approved, which is risky because it’s trying to weaken the image of a well loved former monarch. This isn’t the same as challenging charles, who isn’t as popular.
I can see this being Kate, if asked directly about making Meghan cry and then writing a note, I think we all assumed that quote was about how dark Archie’s skin was going to be, rather than the bigger story that played a huge part in defining the narrative around Meghan. I don’t think they took the racism seriously, as they continue to do
Most people believe the bullying investigation was buried bc the family wanted to keep the peace with Meghan Harry? No, most people do not believe that. The Windsors clearly have not tried to keep the peace. Frogmore eviction, not letting Meghan go with Harry when the queen died and making sure the public knew about it before the queen was even cold, not letting Harry wear his uniforms. So nope that’s bullshit. Most people don’t believe that.
Well, after lying for so long, Khate could hardly say, “actually, M is correct”.
This whole thing reads like a fantasy. But Kate needs to watch her back because it seems ĺike she’s being thrown under bus by the Palace.
Katie Keen may be “playing the long game” when it comes to the crown, but so is the family of vipers she married into and there is now a complete precedent for her to be kicked out of the game completely. There is now a king sitting on the throne who divorced, married his side chick, and got to make her queen instead.
Pinning what is arguably the most inflammatory sentence in that statement on Keen honestly looks to me like another chess move as the firm moves towards the checkmate of divorce for the Walses.
I agree. Katie keen can be as spiteful and manipulative as the rest of that stinking family but when push comes to shove they will gladly jettison her and the Midds if William gives them the nod.
@ Jaded, and Keen is none the wiser. Keen is walking straight into the vipers nest and she doesn’t have a clue. But instead she stood back and allowed them to box her in.
Keen needs to start watching her back……
Kate pushed for the statement because she had been exposed as a mean girl who made Meghan cry. Kate wanted the royal family’s statement to cast doubt on Meghan’s truthfulness to keep her reputation as a gentle English rose in tact. That is the purely selfish, steely,” I am going to be Queen one day” motivation that Low is referring to.
We all know that Mumbles, “can you taste the smell by smelling it,” cannot speak in public. The Fail put out the headline that Kate was responsible for the statement, but the herd has run with the idea that she wrote it which is pretty unbelievable. What is believable is that Kate wanted Meghan to be seen as a liar. Kate never corrected the story for years; her first instinct would be to deny it and expect the family to protect her reputation as future Queen.
I agree with this. This was before Harry’s book confirmed the truth of it and she was hoping a denial would work. But she’s not the only one who had to deny things and so the fact they are trying to make kate the only one who wanted the meanest version of a reply is definitely set up for later.
This story made Kate look like absolute witch and I think it:s a set up to throw Kate under the double decker bus. I also think the “bullying” report exonerates Meghan and puts the whole mess on Kate.
Way off topic: Trump’s document mess. I wouldn’t be surprised Trump used government resources to get compromising information on the BRF to use to his advantage one day.
Further off topic: Biden is going to meet with king chuckles next week at Windsor. Wonder if anything important will be said like Say, Could You Ask Your Congress To Financially Assist Us In Our Time Of Need? I Had To Dig Into My Little Wallet To Pay The Water Bill! We Only Do This Royal Stuff For You Americans! Also, Could You Make A Law In Our Colony That Says H&M Can’t Be More Popular Than Me In The American Press? Thanks
What a waste of time.
Justjan, the bm are really torqued at Biden. Biden has placed the EU over the UK for trade deals because the EU such a big block of countries and the UK is small. That was strike 1. Biden came out after the election, but before he was sworn into office, that if the Good Friday Agreement was breeched by the Tories there would be consequences. That was strike 2. This most recent dust up has to do with the ‘tour’ Biden did of Ireland (and No. Ireland?) and how very little time Biden will be spending in the UK and meeting KFC. That was strike 3. The bm have gone all out with the ‘he’s ruining the special relationship between the countries”. No, he’s not. I think Biden is looking at it in a wider view–the UK simply isn’t the presence on the world stage that they used to be. The UK government is doing all of the things to the people in the country that Biden is trying to stop the GOP from doing in the US. Yes, the UK government and the bm really don’t like Biden.
Saucy&Sassy, I suspect now y’all have gone Brexit that your Crispy Fried King and your PM are feeling a bit like Churchill felt at Malta. The bm doesn’t know how to act unless it’s picking up souvenirs. Really Biden has no choice and calling strikes on him is sad futility. The world is in precarious need and, in turn, we need to cooperate with each other. The fight against the putiny weenies is real. We can’t afford opportunistic stragglers (yes, I apologize sincerely for not getting into WWII earlier). God save democracy from oligarchal fascists. Hugs all around
PS The very recent $1 Million pound signed statement of Bahrain’s intent to invest in the UK (reciprocally- as Brits also intend to invest in Bahrain) has interesting timing. They’re a bit of a tax haven and kfc needs to hide his cash so… who knows?
Justjan, I’m American, not British. I agree that the bm doesn’t know what to do.
They are getting more and more out there. Maybe it’s to set a narrative that they hope will find it’s way to the US? They don’t understand it will hit differently here.
Even if the US waited to get into WWII, I think the President knew what was going on with King Edward, the rich who didn’t want their infrastructure bombed and some people in the government advocating peace at any cost. We had to know what we were stepping into.
The Bahrain investment in the UK is interesting and I agree it’s quite suspect when viewed as a tax haven.
Celebitchy could teach lessons on journalism at the highest levels of the press. Bravo guys.
@ Karla, we have come to the conclusion that many in BP or CH have read many, many articles in which Kaiser and many commenters have have their strategies and angles taken straight from across the pond. They should be cutting a check to Kaiser for all of her PR savvy advice she has given all of them. But alas, the grifters don’t pay for anything.
And Kaiser deserves a Pulitzer for her photo selections alone!!
Khate is not a mindless obedient bimbo nor is she a doormat. She stalked William for at least 10 years, she got rid of any and all competition, no doubt she collected receipts on anyone and everyone along the way. She does her utmost to manipulate every situation to her advantage, she is a victim of no one. Her performance at Ascot, wearing a bright red dress, standing out against mens dark suits, where she pretends to caress Wills backside for no apparent reason other than for a photo opportunity, either way the headline would have been, she was flirty or she was being rejected, presenting her as a victim. Poor Khate !! She got a video and a headline.. Stop thinking of her as a gentle victim, she is determined , mean and ruthless in obtaining her goals. Mummy Carole may have coached her but Khate the adult is the queen of mean, what she wants she gets, but possibly she is losing her determined control of William. I do believe he has paid her grifter parents nearly 3 million pound debts. Pity that money could have gone to the homeless and not to the greedy social climbers.
Kate is cunning and I agree that she would have wanted the meanest version of a response out there, especially since she was called out specifically as a liar.
The monarchists ultimately don’t want assertive women though. So the MAGA section of that group may think it’s a good thing, as they post her photoshopped funeral fashion show poses, but long term success of a monarchy relies on them being benign. The queen mother had her racism hidden by the media. They were not portraying her as a schemer. So this is not going to help her in the long run.
…long term success of a monarchy relies on them being benign.
Nail on head @NIC919
This is where they have gone badly, badly wrong over recent years. A bit of royal ‘soap opera’ stuff in the headlines has been historically ok. The tsunami of leaks, counter leaks and very serious scandal (Andrew) over the past few years is now killing them.
Harry leaving, telling the truth about the relationship between press & palace while also being personally successful/popular and pissing Murdoch et al off has tipped the system completely over the edge.
I think someone experienced and intelligent made all this PR juggling look very easy during QE’s reign and they’re finding out the hard way that it’s really not as easy as it looks. Not that I care which members of the rats nest gets the blame for any of their collective vileness. I truly wish that all they deserve biblically descends upon their heads in the years to come.
I am a bit late to the game today, but yes @NIC919. Let’s not forget the foundation has already been set with Kate trying to freeze out Rose. Her being painted as aggressive and trying to be a power player is already out there. This just is adding to the story. Kate is in danger. As said by someone here today, hope that parachute is a golden one and ready.
*applause* ales
I agree with everything you said. Kate is extremely manipulative.
What is fascinating…the circular cycle of the same issues to create new content.
This issue of that ‘tough response’….was essentially dead, because the media hyped the QUEEN with slapping down H/M by creating it.
Now, the queen is gone but the ‘tough response’ still lives because the media has transferred the credit to another LIVING powerful royal and BAM…the cycle begins again. An old story is new. And more clicks and $$$ are had for the same old, same old.
This happens often and it is fascinating to watch…
I agree. And the real story is who decided to attribute this statement being used to Kate? Is it her camp? Is Camilla playing a long game?
Because I absolutely cannot believe that Charles or William would ever let Kate make the final call on something like this, much less give her any credit for it.
Idk, I thought it was coming from William possibly. Bc then he can throw her under the bus as the one instigating problems between the brothers if he needs to later, say in case the separation goes public.
A part of me thinks that this is coming from the Middletons as part of this ‘Mumbles is too important to divorce’ narrative that they have been pushing or the past several years.
No way Catty will have been involved in any conversations about this – she’s just the married in brood mare.
@Scout, in no way is Khate ‘powerful.’ Nor is she all that alive and well in this toxic family either. Granted she has some piddling faux status as PofWails and as the other half of ‘WanK.’ But that is amounting to increasingly minimal relevance. Let’s not forget all the slights toward her by Willy, not the least being his disallowing Khate’s presence at the Diana statue unveiling. LOL! 🤣 You know Mumbles was frigid and fried over that bit of handcuffing by Willy. 😜
As usual the tabloids will twist themselves in knots to spin a narrative for the royals. The propaganda keeps coming but the Sussexes continue to move forward despite the propaganda. They are not a part of the institution anymore and they are not going back. The end.
So proud of the Sussexes maturity in this royal saga. Looking forward to their continued success and well-being. Go team Sussex.
She is so annoying.
@Ales. I agree with you. Kate is very calculating and super mean all around. She made sure the Palace response was such because she was portrayed as a liar to the whole world. As for touching William’s butt, she was dragged in Twitter for being spurned by William in public. The rejection was humiliating and degrading. She deserves every bit of it anyway.
I think her ‘rejection’ was an act for the cameras. It’s either look how in love they still are, which is a win for her or look how cruel he is to her, also a win for her in the public’s eyes. I wait for the day this nasty little woman gets her comeuppance.
Kate is going nowhere. No divorce. No one wanted to marry William years ago and no one wants marriage to him now. A fling? Sure. But I believe William needs Kate. He needs her calculated cruelty , her ability to lie and get away with it and her acceptance of his infidelity. She toes the company line and shares his vision of doing nothing while appearing to be very busy and involved. Let’s not forget the tabloid effort to paint her as perfect and very popular and ” how lucky we are” to have her as our future queen. That reflects favorably on William and the monarchy as a whole (except for Camilla).
William needs kate to be the innocent submissive woman. Being shown as calculating and ambitious is a negative in the royal circles, especially from someone not born in those circles. Kate taking credit for a statement like that over Charles and William makes them look weak and there is no way they are fine with that.
There are other women interested in William now. If will wants to marry one of them Kate will be out. He can’t hide the disdain for Kate even in public. Not everyone agrees with the perfect Kate spin.
William is now one step away from the crown, and is Prince of Wales, both highly attractive to certain women who would give their eye teeth to wear the crown. Don’t forget Charles is in his mid-seventies and doesn’t look in good health. It’s clear the Wails are living separate lives and the one thing that could push their marriage off the cliff is if William falls hard for someone else.
I think Kate’s usefulness has ebbed, and it’s been pretty clear for a while so has Carole’s influence on Will (especially with the details about the Middleton financial problems being made public).
Whatever other objectives Will has, one thing is always true – he wants what Harry has. And Harry has a partner who makes him look good. Will wouldn’t want (and couldn’t handle) someone like Meghan, but a pretty woman who would make people envy him, who was even minimally competent at the job (Kate set the bar so low re: work almost anyone would be better), yeah. As @Jaded says, he’s no longer the FFK, dependent on Charles for money. He’s the direct heir with a multimillion dollar income of his own. Like others here, I suspect he’s testing the waters regarding public reaction to a single dad image. The main question I see is, how another woman would feel about his side dalliances, which I don’t see him stopping permanently. But then, as casual infidelity seems to be a feature among many of his set, maybe it wouldn’t be so hard to find someone else willing to overlook it.
What’s wild about trying to give Kate sole credit for that statement being used is that you have to somehow believe that Kate had more pull than Charles and William. Even if we write off the queen as not caring, there is no way Charles and William would have kept quiet. Clearly they both wanted that statement too.
So the question is whether Low was fed this version by Middleton manor to embiggen Kate? Or is Camilla doing this to help set up Kate as a conniver ?
We will learn soon enough because if she’s smacked down this will have been coming from her camp.
Oh dear….Special K really is in danger. But I don’t believe this is true. Her wanting something done – sure. No doubt she threw a multitude of hissy fits but when have the Rotten Family ever cared about K’s wants enough or let her demand anything (aside from tolerating her obsession with hideous coat dresses)?
This reeks of Camel! I would think Special K would gave taken credit for this much sooner. Instead, people are rightfully questioning K’s nice girl cosplay again.
They must have an entire fleet of buses to throw various family members under at any given moment!
As ever I am uncertain about which particular English rose gets to be the next Queen given Willy’s public distaste for the current Mrs Windsor. This article and Richard Kay’s 2 pager on Saturday stating that the marriage is perfectly happy could be taken as full steam ahead for Kate as future Queen. And yet Willy never shows the excitement he showed to the cast of Top Gun2 about his embroidered shoes when he has Kate walking 3 paces behind, Willy has his cushy life and only spends a couple of hours with her for PR purposes so whether it is the homeless or Kate, they are so easily forgotten about because they are just props?
How is this quote supposed to make Kate look good? “She is playing the long game. She has always got her eye on, ‘This is my life and my historic path and I am going to be the Queen one day.’ ”
Playing the long game, “my historic path” — that just confirms the view of Kate as the stalker who was determined to marry William to get the crown.
Does anyone really think that Kate, of all people, said “history will judge this statement”? Vacuous, empty-headed dead-eyed Kate? I don’t think so.
History will judge them though, and not in a good way. One of the royal reporters (Peter Lacey possibly?) even said this at the time.
Kate does stuff like giving dirty looks to Meghan at church services and funeral walkabouts. She does not have the words for anything significant. I’m sure she agreed with the statement, but she didn’t write it. And clearly Charles and William approved of it for it to be made public. If it was just kate it would not be going anywhere.
“She does not get as much credit as she should, because she is so subtle about it. She is playing the long game. She has always got her eye on, ‘This is my life and my historic path and I am going to be the Queen one day.’
What are they talking about? She’s about as subtle at her dresses swirling up and flashing the world. Shut up already about this racist fraud.
She had to put her life in hold no career nor.any full time work. Her mother wanted this marriage so Kate never had to support herself and be on her own. That is not a long game. William settled for her.
Oh it was a long game, replete with William’s philandering, multiple breakups, and general lack of respect towards her. But she hung like a stubborn cold. Remember her code name from William’s RPO officers was “the mattress” because they’d drive him to innumerable booty calls in the middle of the night after a night of drinking with the lads. And yet she took it and stayed in the game, and is still in the game unless he divorces her.
Agree with both of you. William basically married his stalker.
Right??? She’s about as subtle as consistently wearing a mean girl face every time she’s in a church with Meghan. About as subtle as ignoring a baby at a polo match. As subtle as charging out of an suv for a walkabout and leaving Meghan in the dust. As subtle as letting the lie of Meghan making her cry go on for years. There is nothing subtle about her cruelty.
Will and Kate want people to think they pushed out H and M. My theory is that the Sussexes wanted to separate from Kensington Palace very early. I read that they went to the Queen either before the wedding or right after to look for a place to live away from Kensington for privacy. They were told by the Queen to check out Frogmore but warned it was in a state. It was reported that they asked for apartments in Windsor Palace b4 the wedding but were turned down but offered Frogmore. They were the ones pushing to get away from Kate and William. However for some reason WanK are going into overdrive trying to act like they pushed them out of Kensington. The Sussexes were the ones seeking to escape the dysfunction and reporting to Buckingham Palace at the beginning. That’s when Kensington Palace started briefing against Meghan non stop.. Yes, Wales pushed the Sussexes out of the UK with the KP attack hounds but the Sussexes either didn’t like the way
WanK managed their foundation or saw abuse, cheating or something that spooked them. I don’t think any of it has to do with flower girl dresses, bullying staffers or just not getting along. Meghan began working with the Foundation before the wedding. Maybe she observed financial impropriety or money laundering that Harry ignored. WANK needed a cover story to explain the separation so they decided to say they were the one’s who threw the Sussexes out and are pursuing the role of enforcer and mean girl. Meghan as the newbie maybe demanded too much transparency with regard to her charities and saw even before the wedding that Kensington had a lot of issues that everyone is still hiding. Mainly that the Wales just aren’t up to the task. Her demand for restriction of funds for her charities probably sent every palace into convulsions. Her ability to read a balance sheet or ask basic financial questions did her no favors. I do know one thing, families don’t fight over dresses, lipstick Easter gifts and are circumspect about politics. I think the UKs fascination is due to the fact that the reasons given for the initial fallout don’t seem plausible and Will always looks butt hurt and miserable and Harry happy.
Harry gave account of the relationship breakdown in Spare. That’s directly from him. Add the docuseries and interviews where the narrative was directly from the Sussexes, unless the royals issue a statement, I will not believe any propaganda coming from tabloids and their reporters )agents of chaos and pain).
The statement was issued in the name of QEII for the institution and regardless of who crafted the words, it reflects the position of the entire institution. None of them directly denied anything what the Sussexes said. Recollections May vary is not a denial. They have however given the tabloids permission to be their spin doctors in a propaganda war. Unfortunately, the doctors are unable to cure the disease because what the royals have is a chronic disease, it will not go away. The institution is toxic. They are who they are and they have caused the Sussexes great pain. Thankfully the Sussexes are now far away from the institution with opportunities to thrive and be financially independent. Go team Sussex.
Will and Kate along with Chuck and Camilla did push out Harry and Meghan. The narrative that Meghan did not try is false. You do not change your career, country and religion just for the fun of it. Harry had no intention of living in California and not representing his country. They were pushed out of KP and then England. The reasons they were pushed out have nothing to do with flower girl dresses and the like, it had everything to do with classism, racism, xenophobia, control, abuse and jealousy.
Agreed, well said.
@GDUBSLADY. I believe you’re right. It must have been about William’s money laundering and corruption.
How can any sane person believe Kate came up with that statement? This is just another bizarre “embiggening” article to show how important Kate is, she is the power behind the throne, she is therefore indispensable to king, crown, country!
I wasn’t ever sure that a Wales divorce was in the cards. Now it’s glaringly obvious. William is surely setting the scene to blame Kkkhate for abuse of the Sussexes, painting her as the trusted wife whose treacherous counsel caused him to be estranged from his brother. She’ll end up being vilified and William will use her behavior as an excuse to split. Kkkhate’s in grave danger. She’ll fight like hell to be Queen. She’ll cling like a drowning woman, to no avail.
After everything she put Meghan through, I love this for Kkkhate. Time for popcorn. 🍿🍿🍿
I think several things at once:
I do believe that Kate endorsed the statement. She and William likely called Harry & Meghan liars but the people around them cleaned up the language. Hence, recollections may vary.
I also can believe that Kate has a backbone of steel. It often looks as if she is William’s doormat; however I just think that’s a survival strategy. Think about how she hung in there to win the prize, which was engagement and marriage. I absolutely think she is very territorial and will attack when she feels threatened. It may not be a frontal attack but more mean girl and passive aggressive in nature. Also, think about those women who have sought and found comfort, wealth, and protection in the patriarchy. Kate is single-minded, self-protective and territorial. Those aren’t necessarily play nice in the sandbox attributes or characteristics.
I also think, as mentioned, that the BRF as an institution failed to move with the times. They never got over the fallout of Diana & simply couldn’t keep up with the modern ideas she brought to the table. Hence, they’ve been perpetually stuck between the Victorian Age, WWII, and the 80s.
King Charles did a lot with the Prince’s Trust & other endeavors but due to winner take all his other family members were left to rot or cause trouble (Andrew) not just for the family but the institution itself. Charles also focused too much attention on making Camilla his public and private Queen to the detriment of family as well as helping to guide the institution into modernity. For example, Edward has withered in the vine and wasn’t utilized in any real capacity. He could have championed art and art in public spaces. Plus, nothing seemed to be expected or demanded of William or Kate. As a result, they all are grappling for a toehold but can’t find one. They had a chance to chart a newer and fresher course with Harry & Meghan—the only two working or senior royals who have real life experience (Harry to a degree) and who has spent time outside the bubble getting to know and meet people who aren’t of their class or crass sycophants (Jason et al). Kate doesn’t count because her formative years were spent being groomed to enter the upper classes and/or aristocratic circles.
So, as Queen WAG, I can absolutely believe Kate is just as nasty as William. Hers is simply wrapped in the female version of him. After all, she wouldn’t have lasted as long as she has if she wasn’t.
@Honey
“Kate is single-minded, self-protective and territorial. Those aren’t necessarily play nice in the sandbox attributes or characteristics.”
Best, most insightful description of Kate’s character. Also, as much as the royals, Kate has lived in a bubble her whole life as well, probably created by her mother and her social ambitions. i also vaguely remember a cousin of Kate’s saying in an interview that she had difficulty putting herself in someone else’s shoes- so lacking the empathy gene. Her public persona suggests that Kate is rather dull company.
There are a lot of good comments here and so many of them point out the insidious, shifty nature of all the royals. They also point out how the monarchy is literally cannibalising itself.
When Betty said “aprè moi, le déluge” she was not kidding.
Yes, Princess Kate, history will look back on the “recollections may vary” moment.
History is already judging you and the RF with the harshness well earned and deserved.
“She does not get as much credit as she should, because she is so subtle about it. She is playing the long game. She has always got her eye on, ‘This is my life and my historic path and I am going to be the Queen one day.’
I believe it.
Kate is calculating and conniving. Her long game is to be queen and elevate her life and it is why she takes all the disrespect Will tosses her way. Her tightly controlled image reveals her perfectionism and narcissism. Her obvious superiority complex was revealed in Spare.
I know why you suggest that KM has a superiority complex, Boombox, but I’ve long thought her problem is in fact a massive inferiority complex. That coupled with a total lack of social confidence, and a babyish nature dependent on her mother, make her the resentful, jealous and very unpleasant woman we see. And, as you state, a calculating and conniving woman too.
I am a little perplexed as to why this is NOW being leaked. Williams staff member, Jean-Christophe Gray wrote it so obviously William would have wanted to push for it too. So why is Keen being singled out. Why not both William and Kate. Do the Middletons think this is a good look? Like she actually has power behind the scenes? Or is this William setting her up for the fall. If Camilla leaked it I think she would have said both William & Kate. With all the latest leaks about Kate and the rifts between the brothers I think it’s more likely they are setting her up for the fall. I’m starting to really believe they might get a divorce.
Plus, after Jordan and then Ascot usually they would have WANK out and about with a staged photo op of him looking at Keen. Nope. Instead he runs off to a night club and then few days later takes just himself and George out for an outing causing the gossip to flourish the gossip. I think he is going to blame her for the rift and use that as ammo when the separation becomes public.
I think.so too, when l.saw the headline l.said to myself ‘and so it begins’.!!!! As we all knew Katie is going to be blamed for the rift !!!
Is this by chance an aspirational wish of Look-At-Me Kate as steely? If so, why??
That article got one thing right when it says that history will judge them. What they cannot or will not see is that putting a stupid phrase into that statement doesn’t change a thing. History will look at the whole. They will look at the coverage in the bm. They will look at what H&M have said from their own mouths. They will look at the fact that the only thing the brf have said is that they are very much not a racist family. Yeah, that convinced me. The brf can’t fix this for the future, because they are racist. That’s simply a fact that will be made part of history going forward.
I believe the recollections may vary statement came from Edward Young. I think the other person was named because that’s not someone Harry talked about in his book. I think if the other man did put it in the statement, it was because Young ordered him to. The Queen was the one that always wanted H&M (and the world) to know that they were her family and always would be.
I have no idea who decided that having Wails own this statement was a good idea. Just when you think they can’t get any more idiotic, they prove you wrong. Wails has spent her married life either flashing the masses with her nether regions or being a dimwit. Prior to her marriage, she spent her time chasing after Fails, chasing other women off, and getting drunk. Oh, and flashing her nether regions. I guess she does have one thing she’s consistent with.
i actually thought that the “kate actually made meghan cry but didnt bother to correct the tabloids about it for two years” was actually by far the biggest bomb dropped in that interview. its like, i already knew the royal family was racist. but i definitely know that meghan making kate cry was a big lie………
Much as I’d like to see the whole Middleton family exposed it’s not unusual for aristocratic couples to live apart physically. Of course they’re able to. I’ve always envied their separate bedrooms! There has been very negative press about Khate and the Middletons recently so maybe it’s just ‘putting them in their place’ and warning them not to get puff pieces about themselves in the media
VL seems to be the mouthpiece for KP. Everything he writes seems to always have an agenda of making Will, Kate or both seem as if they have authority or toughness in certain situations concerning the Sussexes. I don’t think that Kate could think to add “recollections may vary” to the statement, much less mumble it. I believe that each household added their own portion to the statement and Will added “recollections may vary” because he’s the one who had the conversations with Harry questioning what skin color Harry’s kids with Meghan would be. It’s a strange thing to add to a statement unless you, the person who had the conversation, didn’t want to admit how racist your questions were or you refuse to see how racist your questions were. I think that is why Will made a point to include himself at Kate’s next event, because he was so angry that he wanted to get it out publicly that HE (not the family) isn’t racist. I think he was only concerned with himself. Lows attempt to make it seem like “many people agreed” with the crap they were saying and ignoring that the ones agreeing are the same racist leakers and abusers that were harassing Meghan the whole time she was there. Only an idiot would believe that the royals released a bullying claim from three years prior conveniently just before the Oprah interview, then put out a “strongly” worded statement even though they thought it might “rile” the Sussexes but refused to release the results of the bullying claim “to protect Harry and Meghan”. They held onto that bully lie and the results of the investigation because it showed the other royals were the actual bullies. You can’t have a claim of abuse without input from the accused. The entire investigation was on the handling of bullying claims, not on the accused abuser (Meghan) which is why it was an internal investigation that refused to let Meghan know any of the accusations against her. These people are racists.
!t seems to me the royal legacy in the 21st century are debates around and in them about issues such as these ..
who coined the phrase “recollections may vary”
who made who cry at the bridesmaid fitting
the degree wife, the hostage, the bully, the racist
What a royal farce!!
I read Valentine Low’s article this past weekend. And to me they’re setting up Kate and the Middletons(in a not good way) . Many commenters above are thinking the same. Not to mention William has been staying far away and he’s not hiding his feelings at all anymore. Since the very beginning, I already saw Kate as a conniving social climber with her only career ambition to become Queen. She actually fooled A lot of people and was successful in getting her prize. And then articles about their perfect marriage and she’s a perfect saint that every woman should strive to be made me want to throw up. But fake things usually comes to an end esp when the other one finally realizes they were manipulated. I made a prediction about this when we visited the UK on May 2011(after WandK wedding). My mom and sister thought I was crazy , now they’re seeing it too lol…
Btw.. isn’t it interesting they’re now using the word “assets”. And how Meghan could have been one of the royal family’s greatest assets. I wonder which blog they got that from 😄.
Slowly but surely, they’re setting the stage for her being the fall guy! She’ll be blamed for everything when they start BEGGING for reconciliation with Harry. I’m not sure if there will be a divorce as she(& Carol) plotted/waited for the crown consort gig for too long to just let it go! I think like Prince of Monaco, Willy will start living publicly like they’re in a open relationship. If she’s smart she should demand a payout like Carlene for her “work” engagements and like Melania to renegotiate some assets before his prince of wales ceremony
She can’t push it too far – bc if she does William will just push for a divorce.
They’ve already started crafting Kate’s new persona.
By the time Camilla is done, Kate will be giving cruella de ville a run for her money.
The function of this article is for a multitude of reasons:
1. to reintroduce Kate the family scape-goat – before Meghan arrived on the scene
2. to conveniently attribute this statement to her as it has not aged well and Chuckle’s subsequent letter exonerated him.
3. To allow a door for communication between Harry and his family as they’re convinced Harry’s marriage to Meghan will not last. Projection from their own marriages.
4. To start preparing the way for the re-imagining of Kate the great Part 2 – the steely determined woman, a trope which can be manipulated any which way dependent on the day.
^^ My final take is that the recent press about Kate and her family tend to indicate that the separation negotiations between her and William are under-way and this is a way to keep the Midds focused, especially given that in the UK the separation agreement go a long way to informing what a final divorce settlement will look like.
So Kate is the new scapegoat. It all makes sense. Now that Meghan is no longer there for the Palace and the press to throw under the bus, they latched on to the other ‘outsider’. Because the ‘recollections may vary’ phrase has been since used by supporters of the Firm whenever they want to discredit Harry and Meghan.
What truly gets my goat is that Low’s claims seem to have been written with the intent of making Kate seem like this forward-thinking future Queen, but it comes across as her being mean-minded and petty. Especially given that she is a white woman who is, apparently, telling a POC woman that her experience of racism is not real.
Also keep in mind that the Middletons are currently not favoured by the family, and this could be all orchestrated.