In Spare, Prince Harry wrote about how Meghan’s last year on Suits was unpleasant because “the palace” kept calling up the producers and writers and vetting and vetoing storylines, dialogue and what have you. If I’m being honest, I mostly blame Meghan and Harry for that sh-t – Harry should have shut that down with the palace staff and said “are you f–king nuts, you can’t do that, you can’t make demands on an American TV show.” Meghan should have done the same – that was a huge red flag and the palace really crossed a professional boundary. But they were in love and eager to please, so they didn’t enforce that boundary. Well, Suits creator and writer Aaron Korsh has a gossipy piece in the Hollywood Reporter about the Summer of Suits – everyone’s watching it, everyone loves it and everyone loves the cast, especially Meghan. Some highlights from this THR piece:
Korsh believes that “Meghan Markle intrigue” fueled interest in the show, and he remembers when the news came out about Meghan and Harry dating: “Oh, I was as excited in some ways as everybody else… I mean, your initial reaction is, like, “We’re dating a prince!” (Laughs.) But the security and all that stuff, we shot in Toronto and the writers room was in L.A., so other people were dealing with that. I will say, and I think Harry put this in the book, because I heard people talking about it — [the royal family] weighed in on some stuff. Not many things, by the way, but a few things that we wanted to do and couldn’t do, and it was a little irritating.
What changes the Windsors wanted: “I remember one was a particular line of dialogue and, look, I’ll just say what the line was. My wife’s family, when they have a topic to discuss that might be sensitive, they use the word, “poppycock.” Let’s say you wanted to do something that you knew your husband didn’t want to do, but you wanted to at least discuss it, and in just discussing it, you wouldn’t hold him to anything he said, you’d be like, “It’s poppycock.” So, in the episode, Mike and Rachel [Markle’s character] were going to have a thing, and as a nod to my in-laws, we were going to have her say, “My family would say poppycock.” And the royal family did not want her saying the word. They didn’t want to put the word “poppycock” in her mouth. I presume because they didn’t want people cutting things together of her saying “cock.” So, we had to change it to “bullsh-t” instead of “poppycock,” and I did not like it because I’d told my in-laws that [poppycock] was going to be in the show. There was maybe one or two more things, but I can’t remember.
How was the royal family getting or reading scripts? “I don’t know how they got ’em. I was aware that they were reading them because I got the feedback, but I don’t remember the process by which they got them.
Whether Meghan told him that she wouldn’t or couldn’t say certain things: “No, Meghan did not call me. I can’t remember. It might have been the directing producer at the time, or her agent. Whoever it was, they didn’t like having to tell me any more than I liked having to hear it. But listen, when they explained it that way, and I’m pretty sure it got explained to me that it was about that [splicing potential], I had some sympathy because I wouldn’t want somebody doing that to her either. And the thing is, I didn’t think anybody really would, but also I don’t know. People are crazy.
If anything, he’s being too generous towards the palace. They were trying to exert control over Meghan and her career just because they were drunk with power. They did it because they could, because they loved the idea of micromanaging this woman before she even had a ring on her finger. I’ve said this many times, but I don’t know how the hell Meghan managed to navigate this bullsh-t, especially in the early years. Knowing what we know now, about how they were going out of their way to ruin M&H’s relationship and engagement, it feels like this kind of micromanaging was designed to actually scare the sh-t out of Meghan and get her to pull the ripcord on the relationship. And honestly, she would have been well within her rights. They were also, as I said, testing her boundaries and seeing what they could get away with.
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- cast of Suits, Gabriel Macht, Sarah Rafferty, Rick Hoffman and Meghan Markle and attend the NBCUniversal New York Summer Press Day on June 24, 2015 at the Four Seasons Hotel in New York City, New York, USA.,Image: 524926353, License: Rights-managed, Restrictions: WORLD RIGHTS – Fee Payable Upon Reproduction – For queries contact Photoshot – sales@photoshot.com London: +44 (0) 20 7421 6000 Florida: +1 239 689 1883 Berlin: +49 (0) 30 76 212 251, Model Release: no, Credit line: Robin Platzer/Twin Images / Twin Images / Avalon
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Of course they did the effing arses because you know they think rule the world. Hallelujah for the thousandsths time that Meghan ditched them.
Seeeeriously! It’s wild even thinking of her first experiencing this ridiculous level of attempted control and oversight and trying to process what the hell was going on, what she’d got herself into and if it was worth it.
On a separate note, she looks SO SO SO GOOD in those wide white trousers / that outfit in general.
The thought of my boyfriend’s family feeling entitled to call up my employer and complain about my job duties is truly astounding.
It is wild.
Honestly though, it’s just further evidence of how hard Meghan worked to try to fit in with the royal family, to tolerate & even follow their (asinine! How is bulls*** better than poppycock?!) rules, etc.
So when they trot out their tired excuses for their racist exclusion and bullying of her, like “she just didn’t try hard enough,” etc., we all know she put up with not just way more than she should have, but way the heck more than any one of us would have done.
Agree with this @dk. Meghan took them fr and tried hard at the beginning to fit in. So when the BM says otherwise, they’re just full of it.
Didn’t they even tell her they couldn’t afford her? She would have to keep working…
I just wonder, what was the plan, since they decided they didnt have any money to ‘fund’ her and expected her to carry on acting. How was she to work? Were they going to write the scripts for everything she got a chance to do? How long before no one would be bothered to hire her? Just imagine the stories when this happened. Geezus. How many times have I thanked the universe Harry got himself and her the hell out of that place?
They would have pulled the same stuff on her Monaco did after Grace Kelly married Rainier–nix any projects that didn’t portray the RF/Meghan “properly.” Kelly lost out on a Hitchcock film because TPTB said nope. (But IIRC, it was Marnie, which was…not very good. So that was arguably a stroke of luck for Kelly.🙃)
I get wanting to please and not make problems but I absolutely would’ve put my foot down about interfering with my JOB. Harry at this point was a boyfriend not a fiancé, nothing was set in stone and the palace was being a nuisance! I’m sure the last thing an actress in Hollywood wants is to be labeled as difficult to work with and the palace was working hard to give her that reputation. Woo, yeah I would’ve backed them off or peaced out of the relationship altogether.
It’s a testament to how much the writers liked Meg that they were willing to appease her demanding boyfriends family. I think she also voluntarily left the show vs getting written off so the writers wouldn’t have to deal with that BS. Thank god she’s free!!
Do we know if Meg could have put her foot down? This is the BRF. I’m sure there’s pull there at the network level that Meg could not combat. I’m not sure she’d have been listened to if she said stop.
If she’d said stop they’d have just doubled down.
Knowing what we know now, yeah they probably would’ve doubled down. I guess that’s how you know H&M were all in cause I would’ve given the BRF what they wanted and exited the relationship so fast.
That’s a good point @Rapunzel. After all, we know that the ABC network, for one, once shut down their own reporter’s (Amy Robach?) negative story about the BRF in the hopes of getting access to future interviews. So, I don’t know that Meghan would have come out ahead in that particular battle. I do agree that the person interviewed, although frustrated at the palace interference, seemed to have Meg’s interests at heart, to put up with that family and the palace courtiers.
@S808: “Harry at this point was a boyfriend not a fiancé, nothing was set in stone and the palace was being a nuisance!”
Going by everything M&H have let us know about their courtship days, it’s important to realize they were both deeply in love. The kind of love that’s special and ‘rare.’ When they met, they were both struck by lightning. How they managed to navigate it all is frankly incredible, especially once their connection was publicly revealed and the sharks began circling. It’s a love story for the ages that has yet to be fully and seriously told. Forget about cheesy Hallmark dramas. Theirs is a significant historical relationship that maybe one day will beNJ effectively told by award-winning historians and filmmakers (even beyond Harry’s memoir, and the M&H documentary).
Yes, the courtiers, the rota, the jealous Windsors, and the two-bit Markle relatives were all nuisances. But let’s remember what Meghan has said, “When we look into each other’s eyes, everything else falls away.” Their relationship is fated and meant to be. They were and have been tested beyond reason by evil, powerful forces, yet their bond has grown even stronger and deeper.
Actually, where Meg put her foot down was against Harry reverting to boorish, learned behavior. As Harry detailed in Spare, Meg drew the line with him on raising his voice at her inappropriately. Some women in love might have let it pass thinking, ‘We love each other. He didn’t mean it.’ Some men might have balked at being given an ultimatum by a strong woman. Harry’s response was, ‘I will make sure I exorcize my demons, cuz I’m not going to lose this heaven-sent woman.’
As we know, Meg also once told Will to remove his fingers from her face. She is a woman who knows her own worth! She was taught and nurtured by independent black matriarchs who refused to allow wayward men to mistreat them.
We as outsiders have no idea what Meg could and couldn’t do at that time. I believe even Kaiser’s “they were wanting to please” is just speculation. Maybe it wasn’t anything to do with wanting to please and it was something worse, we really don’t know, and I wouldn’t be too quick to judge Meghan. Also, we have no idea at what time Haz and Meg decided or even discussed marriage. It could have been on the first date, sometime after their trip to Botswana or somewhere in between. So, without having all the facts, I wouldn’t be too quick to judge. Maybe they called her job because they already knew Harry was going to propose to this woman and they were trying to sabotage that, we don’t know. What we do know for sure is that the abuse towards the Sussexes started right from day one and still persists to this day. Maybe, between the palace trying to sabotage Meg’s job and her relationship with Harry, Charles telling Harry he had no money to spend on Meghan, and the palaces briefing against Meghan and having their minions putting out hit racist “straight outta Compton” pieces, maybe the Sussexes just decided to leave everything alone and not antagonize anybody in hopes that the abuse would stop. I mean it could just have been a defense mechanism for all we know.
💯very well put @Taytanish
That’s it exactly. I’m sure it was a damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation. If she stood up to the RF, the press would have labeled her an angry Black woman and then the pressure would have been increased on H to dump her. Having the scripts reviewed was probably seen as the lesser of two evils.
@S808: “It’s a testament to how much the writers liked Meg that they were willing to appease her demanding boyfriends family. I think she also voluntarily left the show vs getting written off so the writers wouldn’t have to deal with that BS.”
It’s a given that Meghan was well-liked by the entire cast & crew, and by the producers. In light of recent, renewed interest in Suits, coupled with the ongoing nonsense against Meg by Salty Isle nonces, this is merely an interesting side tale by Korsh. Producers were obviously annoyed by the palace interference, but no one was upset with Meg. They were protective of her, while also trying to balance business needs of keeping the production working smoothly, as best they could under extraordinary and unexpected circumstances.
Honestly, I think Meg & Harry were mainly concerned with successfully managing their long-distance relationship. Meg apparently let her agent and the producers worry about the firm’s heavy-handed meddling with her character’s dialogue. She was probably more worried about the unfortunate security issues that began enveloping the set (as detailed in the Netflix documentary).
Even prior to meeting Harry, Meghan was plotting her next career steps. Suits was finishing its 6th season when M&H met, and Meg had signed off for a 7th season. That’s a long tenure for a successful cable TV series. As Meg said in her engagement interview, “After the 100th episode, I felt like we’d ticked that box.” In other words, she’d satisfactorily achieved her long sought after acting goals. Had she not met Harry, she may have contracted for one more season, but that would have been a bonus run. As a friend said in the Netflix doc, “Meg always had aspirations beyond her acting career. She’s an activist and a producer.” Few people realize that Meg was in talks to do a cooking show and/ or a cookbook at the time she first met Harry. That’s why her idea to help the women of Hubb Community Kitchen by creating a cookbook, worked out so well. She already had publishing contacts.
H&M have weathered so much flack because they have stayed grounded in knowing and communicating with each other. It’s so cool how H said in the Netflix doc that, “Our love story feels like it’s just beginning.” Ah, the joy of a love that remains fresh and filled with new discoveries. 💗 Theirs appears to be a bond that no outside forces can break.
Wow!! Just wow! Controlling before an engagement. They really do think they should be able to control anyone and anything. No wonder they thought they could control The Crown on Netflix or tried hard to seeing that it worked for them on Suits. No wonder they’re insane that she and Harry got out. How dare they leave their control. My god these people must be stopped. Abolish the monarchy and take away their power. Sadly I don’t see it happening.
I mean they did eventually find a way to control the crown. They got Peter Morgan to water down the season and make Charles look good. They also got Judi Dench to release a statement. Last season of the crown lost all the hype after that. I barely hear anyone excited to watch this season because they know the palace got to it.
I think the season was already watered down regardless, they had it ready to go before Judi Dench came out (she made a statement on behalf of the royals, not Netflix.)
But it is definitely watered down and I dont have any interest in watching the next season. I think they were prepping people in the last season for a sympathetic William and Kate storyline this season and I just have no interest in that, lol.
If they put the real story of kate chasing William then sure I would watch. But the stills show a made up love story and not kate pushing out all other women and them cheating together since William had another girlfriend at the time and she wasn’t willing to put out unlike kate.
@Polo I haven’t watch the crown since they got involved.
Yep, goes back to what princess Margaret said about the dogsht family @susanCollins, she said “if they can’t control you, they control how others see you. So even back then, it was all about control, control, control. And they expected the rest OF THE WORLD to fall in line, so our Megan had no chance with them.
Princess Margaret was right. She was favourite tabloid fodder with her relationship with Roddy Llewelyn. Even his brother Dai had reams of insulting copy. As to ‘how others see you’ ‘the Queen doesn’t know what to do with her guttersnipe sister’. Meghan has fought back unlike poor Margaret and ‘never complain’. Not complaining doesn’t work. Just ignoring may just
So they didn’t want her to say poppycock but bullsh*t was fine? I can’t believe there were courtiers sitting around wasting time going over SUITS scripts and haggling about what Meghan could and couldn’t say. I mean, I believe it because it was in the book, but it’s probably one of the most completely nuts things I’ve heard about that institution.
I went WTF to that too! It says a lot about their lack of workload when they have the time to do that. In my office working days I had to much of actual work to even think about something like that.
I am guessing the word ‘Poppy’ means a lot to them. Excuse my ignorance isnt this the holiday they all were black and lay wreaths while watching from the balcony !?
I think you’re being too kind to them. Poppy refers to Remembrance Day and the poem “In Flanders’ Fields [the poppies grow]” where we honour the military men and women who fought in a number of wars starting with WWI, not the word poppycock which Dutch immigrants brought to America. They used the word “pappekak”, which reputedly means soft dung, as slang for nonsense, senseless chatter, meaningless talk.
Yeah, that’s it. It was totally because the BRF care SO MUCH about poppies and laying wreaths in remembrance of dead soldiers. I’m quite sure, yup that’s got to be the reason.
LOL 😉
I mean, considering the fact that they (palace courtiers imo) took Mike and Rachel’s steamy scenes and uploaded them to porn sites, to say Meg is a pornstar yeah..
What a bunch of psycho a-holes! Yes they were definitely trying to scare her off and break up the relationship before it got too serious. I mean, we had whatshisface RR stating unequivocally that she was a GF only and they’d never get married. He was getting that information from somewhere.
I really hope Harry decides to publish the rest of his unpublished 400 pages and burns that shit to the ground. And then pisses on the ashes. And then buries the pissed on ashes 10 feet underground The entire picture of the harassment and backstabbing and abuse that Meghan suffered at the hands of that family and their minions is really criminal.
This !!!! Agree 100% !
1. They pick the oddest things to care about. For me, bullshit ranks well above poppycock in sweary terms – surely it would have been more ‘ladylike’ and ‘English’ to say poppycock?
2. These two really were all in for each other, right from the start. That’s the only reason I can think either of them put up with this malarky – they wanted the very best, and the least hassle, for each other.
Emma, one of the BM’s headlines about Meghan was “Straight Outta Compton.” I don’t think they minded “bullsh!t” being less ladylike because they tried selling Meghan as “not” a lady until Harry interfered.
True enough. I can’t decide if they are actually that strategic though – they rarely show themselves to be a professional outfit!
The royals had issues with Meghan being an actress. I could see these scumbuckets passive-aggressive aggressively trying to break H&M up.
I don’t think the rationale was about how sweary the word was, it was about what splicing potential there was. They were suggesting people would splice the hell out of it to show M apparently saying stuff about ‘cock’.
And yet, have we ever seen them do this to Meghan? From any of Meghan’s lines from any TV show or movie? No. Totally a control move on the part of the palace.
I agree the overall thing is controlling, I’m just saying the Palace wasn’t claiming their reason was that poppycock wasn’t ladylike.
It’s so funny bc in the era of deepfakes , someone could make it look/sound like anyone doing anything.
Granted that was a couple of years ago but you would think that the palace would have had briefings about emerging technologies?
In retrospect this was an entire ocean of rippling red flags! Sure, I can understand an argument for not wanting her to say poppycock because it could be shortened to cock…however! The BRF was receiving her work and interfering with her job. The ends do not justify the means! And now the BRF’s desire to know and influence the Oprah interview and Spare makes tons more sense. Grim!
And also, how were they even getting the scripts? Clearly it wasn’t from the show’s actual creator or from Meghan. So that adds another layer of sketchy. It’s so abusive and controlling.
They must have been paying someone, right?
Successful TV shows and upcoming movies always have to fight leaks. There’s always some staffer or xerox guy or messenger or whomever willing to sell scripts to the tabs–and the tabs are always on the lookout to start some mess.
They were getting scripts and then offering feedback on what Meghan could and could not say? I mean it sounds like Meghan et al were willing to go along to get along, but seriously….the audacity! the nerve! You’re a royal family, you’re not some deity in charge of the universe.
When I think of this combined with the hot mic of the journalist saying they had the Andrew story years ago but were told they couldn’t air it or else they would lose access to William and Kate – like, again just the sheer audacity. How much has this family controlled or tried to control?
@becks
We’re clearly have only just begun scratching the surface of the lengths they have gone to to control and suppress people and information.
They are used to getting actual legislation amended to their interests!! Of course they are going to feel entitled to meddle in anything they feel like, and because the monarchy is a strange part of the British government, they generally get their way. This isn’t just a rich and powerful family meddling, it is an institution that has a role in the government of a country. They ARE powerful, they know it as long as the UK has a good international standing they get away with a lot of shit. Interestingly, the general good standing of both the UK and the BRF has taken some serious hits in the last few years, and it is entirely self-inflicted.
I agree @ArtHistorian. Look at the meltdown they had because Oprah wouldn’t let them see the interview before it was aired. This is a family who are used to getting their own way. They were shocked that Netflix wouldn’t give them access to the docu-series before it was aired. Then the apoplectic wailing because no-one would give them preview copies of Spare (which they weren’t going to read /s).
This family is so used to getting “what it wants” that it comes as a huge shock when someone says NO! What’s telling is their reaction to the refusals. Rather than accept it and move on, they behave as if the refuser has made a huge mistake and they will pay for the audacity of saying no. Instead all that’s happening is the BRF are showing to the world how spoilt and out of touch they really are, and as a result doing irreparable damage to their brand. To quote Tony Blair in The Queen: “Will someone please save these people from themselves!”
@arthistorian A while ago I was listening to The News Agents podcast with former BBC employees Emily Maitlis, John Sopel and Lewis Goodall when either Maitlis or Sopel insisted that the monarch didn’t have real power. I couldn’t believe what I hearing and was gobsmacked by the brainwashed ignorance of such a seasoned journalist.
It also goes a long way toward explain the strange stories from the BM after the Sussexes left England, when the BM kept writing stories that “The Sussexes just signed deals with Spotify and Netflix, yet they haven’t allowed the BRF to vet their contracts yet. Mon Dieu!” Like they had a right to vet. Then, the BM kept mentioning that one year “grace period” and whether the Sussexes signing their own deals without royal “vetting” was in violation of that year’s so-called grace period.
Becks, to your Andrew point, what I don’t get is why supposed “journalists” go along with that shit. Who cares if you lose access, you’re (supposedly) a reporter! Report, for goodness’ sake!! Where are the brave reporters willing to break that family’s secrets out into the open for the world to see and understand?!
I mean, even using the fear of losing access, if you’re the reporter who told what you knew, wouldn’t you go down in history as being one of the great ones? Wouldn’t that be worth it to “lose access?!” (Just hypothetically speaking…this is making me so mad this morning lol.)
I know I know, I’m with you. Why was an American news station (I think it was ABC?) so worried about access to william and Kate? If they yanked your press credentials for their next tour or whatever, then make THAT the story – “we reported on Andrew and the palace is punishing us” etc.
Or just go with the story! Dont worry about access, just run the actual story!
I feel like when things finally break open about William and Kate (or just William) there are going to be a lot of RRs and such ticked bc they were sitting on the information for years to protect their “access” and the one who finally runs with it is going to make a huge name for themselves.
That’s exactly why it was so groundbreaking when Anderson Cooper said that the Palace requested his entire interview with Harry in advance and they refused. It may sound trivial at the time, but these things need to be said to let the public know that this is a powerful institution that will do anything to survive 😫
I love that Anderson Cooper said that and I love that Michael Strahan followed suit on GMA when his interview with Harry aired, saying that they also asked ABC for the interview.
I really wanna know how they were getting scripts.
They seem to think they’re the monarchs of the world and are entitled to do as they wish anywhere. As an American I can tell them that it’s ‘poppycock! And they can take their edicts and shove them where the sun don’t shine!
The British monarch used to be the monarchs of almost half the world! They seem to have trouble getting out of the imperial mindset, which is not surprising since empire is seems to be generally seen as a positive in the UK. That is why there’s so much backlash against people (often historians) who criticize the British empire. Especially PoC historians who work critically on empire are increasingly met with extreme hostility. The wonderful historian David Olusoga actually needs bodyguards for his public events!! That’s how bad it can get – academics getting credible death threats for uncovering and disclosing the black parts of the British past.
Agree with everything you said. It amazes me how much Meghan tolerated with those people, but that only further proves how much she loved Harry and wanted to make it work in that institution.
I think the turning point was having Archie and them realizing what he and any future children were in for if they stayed. I think the Windsors also knew that Harry having kids would be a game changer too and that’s why they did their damndest to stop that from happening.
Snuffles, I’ve heard again and again from various people in various situations that when they had children, or when an existing situation started to affect their children, was when they realised that they weren’t going to put up with what they’d tolerated previously.
Also, I remember from a now defunct gossip site which purported to have access to contacts in or adjacent to the Palace that when Meghan was pregnant was the turning point – they weren’t happy about the marriage but assumed that she’d be a ‘degree wife’ but once there was a child in the picture that was just not something they could tolerate.
Certainly the horrific comments about what colour Archie’s skin might be would have been enough to send them running for the proverbial door. Of all the godawful, vile things to conjecture about, that takes the dry crumbly English cake.
The Windsors are really sick control freaks on this. This makes the Andrew ridealong with the Waleses to church more satisfying. The Loch Ness Noncer (new handle for Andy created on the platform formerly known as Twitter) is forever tied to Will and Kate; and William will be responsible for his upkeep when he becomes king. Remember the FBI has not officially cleared Andrew of criminal liability with the Epstein case.
The “Loch Ness Noncer” — bahahaaaa!! I love it!
The RF are a bunch of takers. They even took words away from Meghan. But who would have thought the grandson of the queen & his girlfriend would be treated like crap.
Reading Spare there were so many times that I felt like Harry should have put his foot down and pushed back against the Palace. He was also incredibly naive. BUT in the full picture I thought he did explain very well why he didn’t do that; because he was gaslit, abused and neglected his whole life by these people. Overall I was left thinking “my dude, you are so lucky that Meg was strong enough to stick this because I would have been outta there so fast, you are just not worth it”. This would have happened with them interfering in her JOB in the first few months of dating. Yeah, I would have been gone. Harry is so lucky to have found Meghan to save him.
Even though in the real world I’d expect a BF to push back on that stuff, knowing what we know now about how his whole life had been, how people around him spoke and behaved, it makes sense that he wouldn’t have. He is so blessed that Meghan didn’t just nope out. And one of the loveliest things about him is that he obviously knows that and thanks his lucky stars.
On the BRF meddling in MM’s job, wasn’t Charles’ whole thing that he wanted her to keep being a working actress, instead of getting financial support from the crown? How exactly would that have worked? If they were this up in her business when she and GKH were just dating, they would have been bonkers once they’d married, and made it impossible for her to get or keep working.
These are the points I came here to make. He’d only ever lived/worked in institutions where following orders was what you did. he’d been conditioned to that all his life and sure he was starting to ask questions but I can completely understand him not pushing back more strongly. They both wanted to make it work, for themselves as a couple and in the roles they saw themselves taking up in the institution. They fell hard and fast so I see them figuring that this is how it is and we need to make it work.
I have said this before on here, but I also really think he thought things would change when he got married; I think he thought the palace would protect Meghan the way it had started protected Kate after she married Wiliam. I think he thought they would be able to furnish a nice home the way William and Kate were able to, etc.
i think at some point during Meghan’s pregnancy or when Archie was born he finally realized and accepted that they were NEVER going to protect him or his family the way they protected William and his, and that was when he decided to get out.
I mean hell they freaking protected ANDREW more than they protected Harry.
One factor too keeping him in the institution was likely Harry’s level of awe and respect for TQ and Prince Philip.
But remember too, this was the time when things began to change within the Firm. In summer 2017 Philip retired; we know now that Charles and Andrew had been working to dump Liz’s respected private secretary Christopher Geidt and replace him with the deputy secretary, Edward Young. Geidt officially resigned around the same time as Philip retired.. Harry and Meghan were engaged later that year.
What we also now know is what a complete shit Charles is. We’ve discussed how early his influence possibly began superseding TQ. Early on, with TQ still apparently healthy, Harry may have had reason to believe things would be fine once he and Meghan were married. Remember how shortly after their marriage TQ took Meghan with her for on the royal train for some public appearances, something never done with Kate. Harry looked forward to the relationship he and Will would have, visiting, kids growing up together; and said how they both agreed never to do what Charles had done to them re: the press. But the media was rabid over having an exciting new, young royal and would buy whatever the RF was willing to sell. Harry was blindsided by how completely Will especially (with help from Jason, who got his friend a job as Meghan’s PA), worked to undermine them.
Harry underestimated what his father (and Camilla) and brother (and Kate), two people with many secrets, were ultimately capable of, but it was the changed playing field around Philip’s retirement that allowed Charles to move to consolidate his power. At least Harry quickly realized the situation wasn’t going to change, within a year of their marriage they were already looking for an alternative, and he ultimately got them out.
Sometimes a family has you so brainwashed, that you’re stupid, useless, can’t do anything for yourself, can’t do anything right, you believe what they say about you is true. I came from a family that slowly eroded my self-esteem, confidence and independence. I was well into my thirties before I gained that all back, and it was about pushing back against what I realized was a means of controlling me through putting me down and constantly telling me what I was doing wrong. I think that’s exactly what Harry experienced, and until he met Meghan he was carrying a heavy load of insecurity and self-abnegation. It was seeing how horribly his family was treating Meghan that turned the tide for him — that and extensive therapy to repair the damage. I’d say job well done Hazza!!
If you aren’t taught to have boundaries–or that you seriously need them–it’s easy to get brainwashed into letting people step on you. And “duty always to the family” and “always respect your elders” are two of the most toxic so-called philosophies out there.
@Danilou32 said: “Overall I was left thinking ‘my dude, you are so lucky that Meg was strong enough to stick this because I would have been outta there so fast, you are just not worth it’.”
LOL! I guess this just proves you’re not Meghan. She’s a rare gem. And M&H’s love for each other is no ordinary romance. It’s as simple as that.
I do agree that Harry is a lucky man. But he knows and admits this too! His Mum and the angels have definitely been looking out for him, and guiding him. As Harry said in the now iconic engagement interview, “All the stars aligned… When I first [laid eyes on Meg] I knew I had to up my game.”
By the way, Meg has clearly behaved in a way that tells us, she ‘feels lucky’ too. If she didn’t feel Harry is ‘worth it,’ she would surely have bailed after Khate’s snub in not giving her a lift to the market. Not to mention the nasty stares Meg was met with at the grocery checkout. After all that, and the trouble she had getting back to NottCott, Meg still made a scrumptious dinner for Harry, while wiping away tears. What a strong woman! Harry was amazed by her resilience and courage, as he revealed to us in Spare.
can’t anyone splice her saying “sh*T”? is that any better than cock? that makes no sense to me.
I can see them maybe reading the script generally and saying no you cant make the future duchess do something super inflammatory or politically charged bc that could be controversial? like a storyline about very sensitive topics. but like changing poppycock to bullsh*t makes no sense. lol…also there are way racier scenes of meghan to splice in previous episodes of Suits…
‘Actually I sympathise with this. Shit’ is just a swear word – ‘cock’ has way more embarrassing possibilities for constructing ‘sexually explicit’ clips to embarrass her and Harry.
Bear in mind we still talk about Charles and tampons.
i guess i can see that. but i feel like the cat is out of the bag for that? have they seen suits…there are some steamy sex scenes that anyone can splice the crap out of that she’s in.
@hangonamin — it would be easy to identify any steamy sex scenes used by others as simply taken from a Suits scene, however her using the word “cock” could be dropped into pr0n clips using her image and splicing in footage of an actual pr0n actress doing her….erm…thing.
i see all of your points. I think they can do a lot of things to meghan’s image and even more so with AI now tbh…even back then, anyone can use a lot of the audio clips from those scenes she did in a sexual manner or derogatory too…it just still doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to me? i feel like i can understand vetoing unflattering or controversial storylines…but anyone can alter the audio and mix it in a way to generate a lot of things to falsify in her image.
It was a good thing Meghan did not accept Charles and the palace proposal that she should carry out acting . Otherwise her acting career would have been squeezed and stifled with unreasonable demands from the palace to micromanage and control her career, scripts and her every movement etc
Somebody on twitter was saying that the narrative that the Palace was ever ok with Meghan continuing as an actress after she married Harry is BS. If Meghan was allowed to continue acting the Palace would have been interfering in her career. There’s absolutely no doubt that the Palace did all they could to break up Harry and Meghan.
^^ True. And this is surely the overriding reason why Charles told Harry he didn’t have money to pay for Meghan. 🙄 Probably, the uppity courtiers had strategized with Chuck to pretend the firm didn’t care if Meg continued acting. That would have been an excellent way to try and complicate M&H’s relationship. It would have been fodder to feed the press a storyline that Meg wasn’t fully committed to royal life. All the while, it was the rotten courtiers and the jealous royals trying to put up roadblocks against Meg fitting in and feeling fully accepted.
Of course, as it turns out, the Windsor clan is not a ‘family’ anyone should be desiring to be accepted by! 😳
This whole episode makes me even more suspicious about the “can’t she carry on acting?” comment. If Meghan had decided to continue acting it’s highly likely “they” would have interfered so much that directors/producers would put off from casting her in any half decent parts. It would have been a “win win” for the BRF and the RR as they would have “evidence” to support the narrative that Meghan was too “difficult” to work with! I shudder at how miserable they would have made her life (and Harry’s) if she had stayed over here and tried to continue acting.
The sabotage the RF would have done to Meghan’s career had she continued acting would have fed the narrative that she was a Z-list actress and of no account until she became involved with Harry.
Looking back, it’s shocking the wedding even happened. They were trying so hard to break them up. It’s shocking that Meghan has survived in some ways. She’s strong as hell. These people are really out to hurt her and they were from the start.
And just…..why? why did these people hate her so much? Because she had the potential to be the biggest star in the royal family since Diana? Because she was Black? American? Because she was a hard worker, because she was intelligent?
Or was it because even then, Harry was starting to choose her over the Firm?
The “why” of it all. It’s hard to fathom. At this point, they barely know her. They pretended to give her a chance at the beginning but in Spare Harry has even said that Charles and William literally now use tabloid taking points to describe Meghan. They don’t know her. They don’t know her and yet they have built her up as their own personal bogeyman. As to why? All you said becks1 and especially maybe the last.
Meghan had popularity comparable to Diana the second she was announced as his girlfriend. They were jealous. Kate acted out right away because she now had another young royal woman to compete with and she knew Meghan was going to get more attention. William got involved once he realized Harry was serious about Meghan.
They would have hated anyone who kept Harry from staying forever as W/K’s pack mule. But that an African-American actress was able to shake him loose–a horror not to be borne.
I’m not surprised that Harry and Meghan went along with this at all. They thought that they were being protected and wanted to be as consilatory as possible. They didn’t see that they were public enemy number one and they were being set up. The courtiers hid behind tradition, trust that were based on lies. In reading Harry’s book I think he really believed that once he found his partner, got married and started working then all would be right. He was wrong. And we all know the rest.
They were really trying to completely destroy Meghan from day one. Uploading steamy scenes from Suits to pornhub so they could call her a pornstar, harassing everyone who’s ever been in contact with her, having her shut down her social media and letting go of brand deals and sponsorships, her lucrative lifestyle blog and interfering with scripts on her show. The plan was to leave her high and dry in everything and to make her radioactive so no one would want to work with her. Heartbroken, isolated from everyone she knows and loves and financially unstable. Even now, they’re still trying to do the same thing. That’s why I applaud them both for blocking out all the noise, working in silence and only showing finished product. By that time, it’s too late for interference. Deals have been signed, projects have been completed, etc.
Remember when they were talking about reviewing the Sussexes deals to make sure they’re in line with the “queen’s values” (lmao)..yeah they were trying to sabotage that. It didn’t work tho 😂😂
These stories are getting weirder and weirder. The English say “poppycock” for heavens sake! It’s used when you want to say something is nonsense, just like the story that was told to this writer to make him remove the word from the script.
Heaven only knows what the original comment from whichever palace was but by the time it was filtered through however many palace lackeys and then “palace sources” it’s turned into just poppycock. Which I guess includes most of the reporting from the “esteemed” British tabloid press?
Meddling under the guise of protection is 🤮
I think this piece makes Aaron Korsh, USA network and whichever studio that filmed Suits far more culpable than the Royal Family. Why didn’t they just say to the Royals, leave us alone, we do what we want? Korsh comes across as spineless. I would not let anyone (other than censors) who does not pay my salary tell me what to on my show. I realize that our feelings towards the BRF were quite different when QEII was still alive, but when outsiders start telling you how to do your job, it is a recipe for disaster.
Why are you under the belief that someone who pays Aaron Korsh’s salary didn’t enforce the changes? USA network was/is? owned by NBCUniversal, which is owned by Comcast. Comcast is owned by (major owneship) by Capital Research Management? Haven’t had much time to delve into investor/shareholders/management. Wouldn’t be surprised to find Murdoch’s name involved. Rewriting Meghan’s words in in line with everything the PTB have done since H&M started dating.
Yet another example of the British royals focusing on what’s really important (snark).
It’s not new. Andrew has said he missed out on the love of his life, Koo Stark who was also an American actress and unsuitable’. Soon came the disparaging articles. Meghan and Harry have decided to fight back which the BM are surprised by. Keep fighting. What exactly is the myth the RF want to protect? Money I expect and they have more than enough.
Koo Stark may have been the love of Pedrew’s life but she appeared in a number of soft pr0n films and nude modeling assignments prior to her relationship with him that pretty much sealed her fate with the BRF. I remember when it all came out in the early eighties and the films and photos were pretty raunchy. By all accounts she was/is very well liked by her peers and has built a solid career as a photographer, but she supported Pedrew publicly when the Epstein/Maxwell/Giuffre scandal erupted and continues to be on his side to this day. Not a good look.
Um… I agree with all of the above re interference, control, etc etc etc. Have heard the stories before and of course it’s all absurd on its face. HowEVER, I think there is validity in not wanting a meme or clip of her close up repeatedly saying cock cock cock (and the myriad variants the internet nutters could go with) out there for the taking. It would be a non-starter before Harry – no one would ever care or bothe – but the interest as his partner changes the game. We all love their wrongness but I think I’d let this one particular instance slide.
And now their own prince says todger and cock cushion in front of millions of people…
Not surprising. These are the people that freaked out on Meghan for wearing the teeny M, H initial necklace. Kaiser and other posters here are correct. This was about control and seeing how far they could push it. Like others here, I would be interested to know just how they got the scripts. What on Earth kind of leverage did KP have to obtain them? Scripts are something that I would think a show would normally want to keep under wraps.
You say that you blame Meghan for the palace’s interference in her show, but do you really think that the palace ran it by her or Harry before they decided to meddle into Meghan’s work? I don’t think so. Anybody who thinks that or believes that the palace would have listened to M & H is not thinking clearly.
As soon as I heard Charles wanted Meghan to keep working, I knew she’d have to deal with this kinda crap ad infinitum. They would have made her working life a nightmare–she’d have no choice in roles, scripts, etc–and the paps would have made shooting any project hellish. Hey, this is not unknown–Monaco forced Grace Kelly to turn down a Hitchcock project because it wasn’t proper for her to be seen that way. (IIRC, it was the less-than-feminist Marnie, so the Monaco TPTB had a point there. 😂) Thank God H&M are outta there–talk about an endless no-win situation dealing with that crew.
I actually love that part of that episode in Suits! It would’ve been great if they left “Poppycock” and I can see why Aaron wishes it could’ve stayed for his family. I was actually surprised they swore and said “Bullshit” in the episode, but I guess it got the point across…
Honestly, you can tell the episodes when they started being careful with Meghan. Less other people involved, different situations, etc.
If you have Netflix or Amazon Prime, watch the series while you can if you’re even remotely interested!
A little late but, I’m glad that he’s calling them out as they should be. This is in a way an abuse of power esp to someone who hasn’t even formally joined the BRF yet . So imagine the other abuse and dirty work the firm has done(which we know there’s many but need more people to call out the facts).
He’s also saying this now when Suits is super popular again(it’s pretty remarkable how popular it really is), so more people are paying attention.
Also wouldn’t it be great if they ended up making a phenomenal reboot of Suits that even outperformed the current one starring the OG cast and Meghan Markle too!
This is all a creepy over reach, for sure.
But even lamer yet is that the BRF has this awesome platform that they could use for good, but instead they use it for crap like this.
Dude.