CB goes to the movie theater all the time, but I’ve probably only seen two or three films in an actual movie theater in the past three years. I mostly just wait to rent films on Vudu or wait until something comes out on another streamer. That has affected how I perceive films today as well – it’s so nice to be able to pause something to get a snack or use the bathroom, and being able to engineer my own “intermissions” helps me get through some long-ass movies. I will do the same with Killers of the Flower Moon, a three-and-a-half-hour movie, in theaters now. I’m waiting for it to come onto AppleTV+ because my ass is not going to sit in a movie theater for that length of time. Well, writer/director Alexander Payne has spoken up about how filmmakers need better editors or something, because the movies have gotten way too long.
Alexander Payne agrees: Some movies today are simply “too damn long.” The Sideways director was speaking at the Middleburg Film Festival on Saturday to promote his new film, The Holdovers, when he criticized overly long runtimes.
“You want your movie to be as short as possible,” Payne said, according to IndieWire. “There are too many damn long movies these days.”
Payne added that a movie can successfully pull off a long runtime: But “if your movie is three and a half hours, at least let it be the shortest possible version of a three-and-a-half-hour movie. Like The Godfather Part II [and] Seven Samurai are super tight, three-and-a-half-hour movies and they go by like that. So there’s no ipso facto judgment about length.”
Payne didn’t cite any particular offender, but his comments came on the opening weekend of Martin Scorsese’s three-and-a-half-hour drama Killers of the Flower Moon. While the film has received considerable acclaim from critics, the top complaint about the movie — particularly among its audience reviews — is that the film drags on far too long and could have benefited from a much tighter edit.
Added Payne: “Film is a constant search for economy. You want the screenplay as short as possible. You want the acting as brisk as possible, given whatever the basic rhythm of that film is. And then in the editing you want it to be as short as it can possibly be, but no shorter.”
At the same time, the director admitted that when looking back at his own films, he also sees ways they could have also been shorter (with one exception: his 1999 high school political satire Election).
I’m trying to think of the last long-ass movie I watched where I thought they used every minute wisely. Probably Tar (2 hours 38 minutes) and Dune (2 hours 35 minutes). I would like to make special mention of Pedro Almodovar’s Pain & Glory, which came in under two hours but it felt a lot longer because of the strength of the story. Anyway, I agree that modern filmmakers need a tighter edit almost all of the time and that across the board, these long runtimes are stupid and excessive. Something has to give – if you want people to come back to movie theaters, don’t make them sit through three-hour slogs when you could have told the same story efficiently in 2 hours and 15 minutes.
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Amen. I think most movies can be cut by at least 30 mins, even movies I like. As much as I wanted to see Oppenheimer in theaters, I couldn’t bring myself to sit there for 3 hours.
I was stressed out for all three hours, so good call.
Yeah, hubby and I don’t go to the theatre for any movie over 2 hours, I just can’t sit that long. I completely agree that tighter editing is sorely needed, so many movies drag through the middle that I sit there thinking “delete this monologue, delete this fight scene, etc” by the end I’m so excited to leave the theater!
I’ll be going to Killers of the Flower Moon, but I agree that most movies are way too long. It’s especially egregious when the movie in question is something that’s meant to be good silly fun with lots of action sequences. Comic book movies don’t need to be 3 hours long.
What he said.
Exactly what he said.
And I love to see movies in theaters.
Source material may have a lot to do with it -particularly book adaptations, which Killers of the Flower Moon is.
No doubt there’s pressure for a film to exactly recreate a bestselling book, but books and movies are two different art forms and I respect filmmakers who try for the best movie version of a book’s story.
No film is going to live up to every reader’s expectations – part of the risk of this type of project.
Amen! My 58-year-old bladder just can’t go that long.
Honestly I feel this way about tv shows as well. Like I just want to watch a twenty minute show after work (I work nights).
And there are exceptions for sure like he mentioned… but most of the time when I watch a film that’s three hours long I feel like it just could been edited better.
I do find it interesting that on one hand there’s a rise in popularity with short form entertainment like Tik tok. And on the other hand traditional entertainment media just seems to get increasingly long.
I absolutely love an hour and a half runtime for a movie in general. Obviously, of it’s an epic tale it needs to be much longer. It seems like everything has to clock in at around 2 hours now, including comedies. It’s absurd, and I find myself avoiding certain movies because of the long runtimes.
I have started to wonder if studios are encouraging the longer runtimes so that they have more filler for their streaming platforms.
A big part of the problem is the caveat “but some movies do need the length.” Anyone with a big enough ego to be a director will think their movie needs the length. Personally, I think movies that should have been 105 that are 125 are the bigger problem. I watch old movies and they are so much shorter! But there is a lot that is left unexplained. There’s not a constant need to raise the stakes. Actors don’t get whole subplots about their families.
One thing about very long movies. You have to surrender to the pacing of the film and the experience it wants you to have. Lots of people really don’t want to do that. But I think the large audience of younger people for Oppenheimer and Killers of the Flower Moon shows that there is a hunger for this sort of immersive experience.
If you cant tell a story in 90 minutes or less – i wont be watching….
They’re so painful and drawn out these days – i turn off more movies than I complete
I’m in the minority here, I like a 2 hour movie, as long as it’s a good story. I don’t like to pay to go to a theater for anything less than 2 hours. It doesn’t seem worth it.
But…Barbie!!!! 1 hour and 54 minutes is my sweet spot now.
I like my house and my couch and my snacks and my remote (so I can pause to use my bathroom!) so I don’t really go to the theater much at all. Barbie was the lone exception I can think of in the last few years.
However, my son and his friend (16 y/o) went to Killers of the Flower Moon on Friday and they both said it was really engaging all the way through, even “the law stuff towards the end” (bless my child, who is a lawyer’s son, for characterizing it that way!) They both said that the long run-time was justified. They also saw Oppenheimer together (they Barbenheimered this summer, I could never) and agreed that it was TOO long and that “the law stuff” dragged and could have been edited better. So there’s the teenage perspective, lol.
That is my #1 complaint about almost every movie – its too damn long, they could have shaved off a half hour. Especially Marvel movies. omg they are SO LONG. Wonder Woman (while not Marvel) was so freaking long.
Does a movie sometimes need the length? Yes. But very few directors know what to do with that length. Christopher Nolan does, I rarely complain about the length of his movies, even a less action-y movie like Oppenheimer, which really was excellent. And I think for the most part Scorsese does as well, so I’m looking forward to seeing Killers of the Flower moon – but it will be at home, bc I’m not paying for a babysitter to go spend 4 hours in a theater, lol.
One and a half to two hours is my sweet spot, particularly if I’m at the cinema. It’s rare that I’ve watched anything longer and not felt it could absolutely have been trimmed without losing anything. I go to the cinema a lot these day (yay for our amazing local independent cinema with sofas, footrests, and wine) and it feels like a treat to have something be sub-two hours.
I have a herniated disc but even with the “latest and greatest theater seats” it’s difficult to sit for over 2 hours. If I pay for a movie ticket, I do not make any bathroom trips. I will make exceptions, of course, but it has to be something worth it.
The only director who was genius enough to make a 4 hour movie that I watched on video (it was originally 8 hours) was Erik von Stroheim’s Greed. Yes, I took breaks, but damn, I would have loved to have the whole original 8 hours on blu-ray.
Most movies are too long.
I don’t know how many times I’ve caught a movie 20 minutes in on cable, watch it, and like it. Then I watch it later, from the very beginning, and all I can think is… I didn’t need to see the first 20 minutes. I’ve concluded that the first 20 minutes of most movies is boring, unnecessary, or both!