In Endgame, Omid Scobie details how many times Prince Harry has simply tried to organize a sit-down with his father. Harry even tried to organize a post-Spare sitdown with Prince William too, but it went nowhere because William is obviously too incandescent. But the fact that Harry knows Charles is such a dogsh-t father and yet Harry still makes all of these efforts to at least try to get Charles to hear him… it’s sad. The whole thing reminds me of Harry’s Spare, where he was so achingly grateful for any acknowledgement from his father. According to Scobie, throughout 2022, several people within the family encouraged Charles to simply talk things out with Harry and even acknowledge Harry’s pain. After Harry called Charles around Christmas 2022 and their conversation was brief and icy, Princess Anne apparently gave her brother a different piece of advice: evict the Sussexes from Frogmore Cottage.
The Princess Royal persuaded the King to evict the Duke and Duchess of Sussex from Frogmore Cottage, according to a new book. Author Omid Scobie claims Princess Anne, 73, was the chief architect of the decision to evict Harry and Meghan from their Windsor home.
In the book, Endgame: Inside the Royal Family and the Monarchy’s Fight for Survival, to be released next week, Princess Anne is described as being “at the forefront of the supporters of the firm approach” taken with the Sussexes.
She “is said to have persuaded Charles to withdraw the use of Frogmore Cottage” from the couple, Scobie claims.
Meanwhile, Prince Edward, 59, is described as the only member of the family who felt “uneasy” about his nephew and was concerned about his mental health.
The Sussexes’ team received a letter from Sir Michael John Stevens, the Keeper of the Privy Purse, who stated that because the Duke and Duchess were no longer working members of the Royal family and lived abroad, they should return the keys to Frogmore Cottage, the use of which was a wedding gift from Queen Elizabeth II. Harry is said to have asked his father: “You don’t want to see your grandchildren any more?”
Meanwhile, Scobie describes the ultimately unsuccessful plan to offer the property to the scandal-hit Duke of York, “the true pariah of the clan,” as “incomprehensible”.
In Endgame, there are more details about the Frogmore eviction and just how bad it looked generally, beyond the rabid, right-wing media machine in the UK. It was not a carefully considered move by Charles – it was done out of spite, it was a king’s temper tantrum more than anything else. The Telegraph’s coverage of Princess Anne “persuading” Charles is interesting, but Scobie basically said that Anne wanted it to be a package deal, that Charles should evict Andrew and the Sussexes at the same time. But we know what happened there – Andrew is still in Royal Lodge, and we still don’t know who’s living in Frogmore now.
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This is foul regarding the Sussexes. But Andrew getting kicked to the curb would have been a right call. At the end the buck stops with Charles. Andrew must have a ton of dirt on the Windsors to be able to keep Royal Lodge.
So right. Andrew knows as much if not more than Harry and would use it. His humiliation in being moved to Frogmore would know no bounds as would that of his disgusting wife who has done so much to humiliate her own family, the monarchy and the late Queen. They are unwanted appendages of the Royal family and festering sores on an already crumbling anachronism.
I wonder what he knows has to do with Charles and Diana…something embarrassing for the king.
I was hoping you’d write about this, because WTF? I didn’t see that coming. I never would have thought Anne was the one to suggest that.
Same, Changing My Name. Anne was upset about the downsizing of the working members—I did not expect her to advocate that H&M be evicted from Frogmore! And Edward (!) being the member of the family who had the most sympathy also shocks me.
Edward was the only one who spoke to Meghan and Harry at their final CW service. While his own wife Sophie along with Kate publicly snubbed Meghan. Not sure it makes him a good person necessarily but it made him look like the only decent person on that day.
Edward was the one who was gracious and polite to them at that Commonwealth Service in March 2020. Maybe that was just because it was in public, but he at least played the part better than his wife or William and Kate.
Thanks Jais and Becks1! I’m still shocked.
Edward and Anne were also reported to be the two senior Royals that were not happy with the way things went down at the Sandringham Summit and the effective expulsion of the Sussexes. Not sure I believe that of Anne now but I can of Edward. While he has his faults and is definitely a company man, he always seemed to me to be one of the few Royals that looked upon their family as that – a family. To the rest it is just the Firm.
Didn’t we just learn last week that Anne “warmly greeted” Harry when he arrived at Balmoral the day the Queen died, when everyone else in the family was treating him like trash? I guess Anne’s one of those people who runs hot and cold, and her opinion of someone just depends on however she happens to feel that day.
Re: Edward, didn’t he say some dickish things about the Sussexes in that interview in which Sophie said “Oprah who?” (or whatever, it was along those lines)? Maybe the interviewer just said that he laughed along. But I could have sworn he said some rude things on his own.
Is it really that shocking? Look who her daughter married.
One doesn’t come from an intelligent, decent family then marry an oaf like Tindall.
It’s shocking, to me, because Anne has fully given her two children places to live on her own estate, that she was given by her mother. Zara and Peter have never been working royals, so…..
Anne has serious expression and we barely hear her say anything so she got assigned this “reasonable, suffers no fools” persona but imho she’s as vile as the rest of them. She goes to a lot of ribbon-cuttings, so what? It is still much less than most of us do. And I agree, reasonable person would not raise Zara and Philip – they are reflections of their parents. All entitled parasites.
As advice goes, her advice was to couple it with evicting Andrew. That would have made some sense if Charles had actually had the stones to go through with it as Anne likely would have done. As it is, the “working royal” thing is BS because Andrew is not a working royal either. Had he taken his sister’s full advice, it might not have looked so bad.
Sorry, this is the same woman whose son-in-law trades his royal connections for reality TV star gigs – and gets kicked off for sexually assaulting the crew? This is the same person?
And she has the gall to get H&M kicked out of Frogmore?
That whole family has their heads so far up their bums they truly have no sense of right or wrong at all.
Since when is Anne responsible for anyone’s behavior but her own?
@Megan … “Since when is Anne responsible for anyone’s behavior but her own?”
I hear what you’re saying, she’s not responsible for anyone’s behavior. However when she chooses to pass judgement on others (having them evicted on the basis of their “actions” then I think it is fair to “judge” her standards, fairness.
Right! Her two children live for free (and everything that comes with the house, servants, free food) and she thinks it’s ok to evict her nephew? What the hell have Harry and Meghan done besides escape the constant bullying from William and Kate and Camilla and the trashy tabloids? QE should be rolling in her grave. She passed the property to them.
Anne gave the same mean treatment to Fergie when she and her lascivious husband broke up. She reportedly said at the time that she didn’t wanted Sarah Ferguson traipsing around Buck palace
Anne was also nasty to Diana, both before and after Diana’s marriage to Charles.
Sounds like Anne might be predisposed towards being nasty to women, viewing them as competition, etc etc
And I’ll never forget Zara Tindell’s VILE behavior at Harry’s wedding. Zara learned her LACK of manners from someone……
And if Anne was mad that there were fewer working royals, well, Beatrice is RIGHT THERE..
Last, Anne is known for being rude to “commoners” and she is NOT the super hard worker everyone thinks she is. Her average event time is purported to be 10-15 min, which makes her total event numbers much less impressive…..in fact don’t find Anne very impressive in general
Being the only girl among 4 children, she wanted to be the star. Any new woman coming into the family were seen as threats as they could upstage her. Maybe she knows she’s not the prettiest flower in the garden, so competion with women coming into the family was out of spite.
I am still sure the royal (called out in Spare) who boasts at the family Christmas about having the most appearances in a year was Anne and this is her revenge
you didn’t see this coming because you’ve bought into the media laundering of Anne’s image. I cringe every time I see even Squadies praising Anne. Please do yourself a favor and watch some pre-Meghan documentaries about the royal family, to know the truth about these people. There’s one in particular that exposes Anne as rude, self-centered, snobbish, full of herself; and shows that she was very jealous of Diana. Nothing about this surprises me at all, because even royal reporters have acknowledged that nothing has changed about Anne, other than her favorable media coverage.
@ProudMary
Ok I just watched the 1981 Princess Anne doc and I’m still processing what an inarticulate mumbler as she is.
Gatecombe is shown to be an absolute pile: drainage issues, a roof that needs attention every 6 years, etc. I can’t believe the public has to pay for such a poorly-constructed building and I say this as someone who lives in a similarly-sized home that’ is over 125 years old.
She comes across as uneducated, yet every 3 minutes someone is curtsying to her. There’s no way this vapid woman has any friends.
That is all I got out of it.
@Proud Mary
I’ve never bought into the media laundering. I’ve seen the documentaries, and I agree that they expose her for exactly who she is.
That doesn’t discount that I assumed (wrongly, obviously) that it was someone OTHER than Anne (Thinking of Baldy here) putting that idea into Chuck’s head.
One can know that someone is horrible and STILL not know that they were behind something.
I can see Anne being fed up with the speculation and whining and said poop or get off the pot. Just make a decision for God’s sake. Based on her interactions with Harry I doubt she was in Charles’s ear saying to evict them.
Anne has always striked me as someone with very low empathy. The body language doesn’t lie. There isn’t an ounce of warmth in that personality. Never a smile, never a sense she’s human. Duty duty duty…they’ve been brainwashed since childhood.
I think Ann still speaks with Harry. And William knows it. So he demanded the press put a wedge between Ann and Harry. Which William will regret. Ann doesn’t seem to do drama. But I bet she knows how to.
i’m not sure i understand what you mean (sorry, monday morning brain!). do you mean you think that william was the one who fed this story to scobie so it would put a wedge between anne and harry?
i’ve always thought anne was as bad as any of them. she gets a lot of passes around here (and elsewhere) cause she shows up, seems to not follow the family edict of ignoring harry at events, doesn’t seem to cause or want to be involved in any drama, etc. but she’s just as horrible. any actual interview with her shows she’s just as close minded and ignorant as the rest of them.
@michyk agreed. The clip where she spoke about the likelihood of reparations being given to Commonwealth countries spoke volumes- she was derisive, dismissive, deaf.
Totally agreed, Anne is only a TINY bit better than the rest, and considering how low the bar is, that doesn’t say much. And personally, I have a hard time viewing someone who is rude to “commoners” just because they CAN be, with ANYTHING other than contempt
Wondering the same thing. But Camilla was my first suspect.
If this is true, it’s a bit rich for Anne to be pushing for Harry to be evicted when her chidlren live on her property. It was clear from Spare that Harry is not ready to give up on his father but a time may come when he will have to.
I’m trying to remember. Does Peter live on her property too?
They all do. Children, grandchildren, ex-husbands they all live on her secure property. Which tells me she doesn’t give a fu-k about Harry and Meghan’s children at all. Both of her children live off of their royal connections. So she has some nerve. I always said that man doesn’t give a crap about his mixed race grand children. Out of site out of mind. Aunt Anne my ass. I am so sick of people putting her on some kind of pedestal when it comes to Harry and Meghan. I believe she did this. They all feel that Meghan deserves nothing so why should she care about any of them. None of them care about Meghan’s and Harry children one bit.
@Angie, PREACH!! Thank you!
At angie. It’s 50/50 for me.
On one hand I can believe she Said this because her family are kept hostage to a degree. Maybe she thought harry would comeback like Peter and zara had to.
On the other hand Anne’s whole family and ex’s live on her estate! You would think she wouldn’t mention housing. Although I think the ex-husband might be the real manager of the estate. He does train horses and people after all.
@Angie: Mark Phillips, her ex husband, lives on Anne’s property? Timothy Laurence is okay with this? Given Mark’s behavior during and after his marriage to Anne, I find that very hard to believe.
Anne’s property is privately owned by her. No one living on her estate is living in a crown property. If she is a stickler for the rules, she should continue to push for Andrew to be evicted as he will never be a working royal again.
Are you seriously kidding me? “Owned” by her, privately? Harry and Meghan forked up 3 million pounds for the privilege of living at Frogmore Cottage, which was supposedly a wedding gift from the Queen. How much did Anne pay for Gatcombe Park, which was also a wedding gift from the Queen? I’ll answer that for you, ZERO. Both of her non-working royal children and their families live there for free, and therefore also benefit from state-paid security. The hypocrisy is truly thick with this one.
She gets royal protection at Gatcombe and the fact that her kids live there, it covers them too.
These people are weird. Ann and Harry still seem to “chat’ maybe she thought that threatening eviction would scare them and bring them to heel. Who knows, these people are super weird. Wait, isn’t Ann the one who gave Harry a pen , not even a fancy one, for Christmas? Well, there you go…..
I think that was Princess Margaret…
Lets get some real celebrity gossip going for once!
This is it, no? The royals ARE REAL celebrities. Reality TV kinda celebrities with no other talent but bitching, stabbing others in the back (and at times killing people), stepping on others’ corpses in their greed and quest to be more popular, that is royals to a T. So this is as good as it gets.
Yeah Anne is a seemingly practical woman. Charles probably complained about Will wanting Royal Lodge and was like, “but what do I do to get Andrew out?” and Anne probably went, “well, Harry’s settled in CA, right? You talked to him and he seems unlikely to come back, so give Andrew Frogmore. It’s renovated so he can move in quickly.”
Likely no indication of how Anne feels towards Harry, just a pragmatic solution which fit Charles’ temper towards Harry.
Exactly. I can see Anne chiming in on one conversation, but making her out to be the driving force behind the eviction? Nope. Also, I thought the story was that CRex evicted Harry because he used the term wicked stepmother in Spare in regards to Camilla. Not that he even called her that. I can’t believe Scobie fell for this misdirection regarding Anne.
Naaaaah, this woman is as horrible as all rest of them. Some people just like to convince themselves that Anne is above all this and she is more this and that, which is just………yeah, can’t be any further from the truth. What exactly has Anne done for humanity that would set her apart from the rest of her siblings? Her cruelty, nastiness and unkindness to those she perceives as “beneath her” is very well documented. What makes some think that Anne would never convince Charles (or anyone else for that matter) to treat the Sussexes evilly? So, NO. Anne is Elizabeth and Phillip’s daughter; she was raised by her parents alongside all 3 of her brothers. This is a case of nature AND nurture, Anne is as horrendous as all of them, and I can easily see her stab Harry and Meghan in the back, twist the knife while smiling to Harry’s face.
Taytanish, thank you so much for your comment. I’ve been on a one-person mission, trying to get people to understand that the Anne we know today is just a media creation. I beg you all, please watch a documentary about Anne posted to YouTube prior to Meghan’s entry into the family. Stop buying into the media lies about hard-working, practical Anne. This woman boycotted Harry’s christening because she was jealous of Princess Diana; she was constantly whining about how she did all the work and Di got all the credit. I could go on for hours. Her rudeness, including well documented history of being abusive towards palace staff, has been swept under the rug. It really bothers me how uninformed people are about the rats in that family.
Exactly. I used to think she was a badass since she told off a kidnapper, but nope, after reading all the stories it is pretty clear she is just a sourpuss who is mean to everyone.
Of course she is the hardest working royal. She is probably the only one with bills to pay. I imagine she stops here for 15 minute stops there for 10 and then calls payroll and says “where’s my cheque!” Do we know of any causes close to her heart other than horse riding, bullying servants and adultery?
Anne has serious dedicated work for Save the children for decades. She may or may not be a nice person but she’s definitely done a lot more than cut ribbons.
This is why I love this site. People here say the unvarnished truth. I’m big on body language, and there’s no humanity in that woman. I’m even surprised she managed to have two babies and nurture them (or the nannies did). I can also see her being totally jealous of Princess Diana. The swan and the ugly duckling.
i’m surprised at how many people are willing to give anne a pass for something like this. when it was all charles (or camilla or william), it was evidence of terrible people acting terribley. it’s no different because it’s anne. for whatever reason she may have suggested it, it’s still the same effect-harry having no home or base in england. she’s just as awful as the rest of them. and yeah, it could be total misdirection. but would palace workers sell out anne to save charles (if that’s what they thought they were doing?).
There’s always the possibility that this is image correction for Charles, who’s been seen as the terrible father he is. And Anne willing to take the fall to help her brother the king.
Puhleeze! Anne is no better than the rest. She believes she’s a part of a family favored by God and chosen to rule. If she actually believes that stuff, she also believes that Meghan and the children are beneath her and Harry is accountable for bringing them into her precious lily white family. That entire family sees the black and brown people of the Commonwealth as part of their empire and don’t plan to take responsibility for any harm previously done to them.
As a first generation American born to parents from the Commonwealth, I fervently hope that the nations of the Commonwealth assert their sovereignty and throw off the colonists for good.
Your response is how I see that how convo going as well, Rapunzel. Ultimately, she wasn’t the force behind it. That was all William & Charles. Like most of their actions, it wasn’t well thought out because Andrew probably knows more about them than Harry does. So they can’t get rid of Andrew without exposing themselves and I can’t really say that’s a bad thing. Bad people held hostage to an evil institution.
Exactly.
Or, Charles was talking about how he could get rid of Andrew, without making it a statement on his guilt, and Anne was like, “You could ask H&M to leave too?”
Something like that.
“You don’t want to see your grandchildren anymore?”
The exact right gut reaction.
Reading this broke my heart, for Harry. God, that family is the absolute worst.
If true, this sort of throws the whole “Anne is nice to Harry” narrative in the rubbish bin. She’s always seemed shady to me.
I have no doubt anne is polite to Harry’s face. But she is her mother’s daughter, cold and cruel. I have no doubt she was bashing meghan to others. I’m amazed people forget that chucky and Anne are super close. Chuckles was the one that suggested she name her daughter Zara.
Anne use to compete or atleast wanted to be Charles. Wanted to show she was worthy. She finally got the oppurtunity and choked. I think that’s why she does so many engagements. And those engagements are on the same day. So technically she doesn’t work that many days but I gave her credit for the horse park. Someone wrote on another post that sovereign grant money was used to fix up gatscombe park. So does she still get credit? Especially since her ex-husband likely runs it for her.
What do u mean she finally got the opportunity and choked? And then felt she had to do lots of engagements. Sorry I just don’t know what event you’re referencing.
Macky, what are you referring to when you say Anne chocked? I’m SUPER curious!! I’m not a fan of Anne at ALL and would love to hear some tea……
The whole thing makes no sense. Andrew has a legal lease. There was talk that he wasn’t upkeeping RL which would be breaking the lease, but no proof offered. Unless he just agreed to leave, legal action would be necessary. If PH had a written lease and didn’t just agree to pay rent, it must have been shorter term and not renewed or he just said okay and left. Kicking out H&M, who were paying tenants, to do nothing with the property was just stupid. So is Anne as stupid and petty as the rest or is someone spreading tales about her?
Let’s be real here, the BRF doesn’t really care about what’s legal or not.
I think they legal can’t move Andrew so they tried to embarrasse him and he said, “nope”. He just keeps on trucking.
I still believe our first guesses are right. Queen eliza2 made chuck sign an agreement on how to treat Andrew. I mean Charles talked about kicking Andrew out in the 1990s. Unless that was Philip briefing. Andrew has always been on thin ground with everyone except his mother.
Did his grandmother like him.
That family sure knows how to f-up a situation. This whole scenario shows how inadequate Charles is a leader. He can’t make a decision on his own and takes bad advice from his sister. Now look? They’ve backed themselves into a corner and now they all look mean and petty af. Not giving Afro Annie a pass either.
Not surprised. Ann gets a pass from a lot of people because she’s quiet and the press describes her as hard-working (as though any of them know the meaning of hard work) but that doesn’t mean she isn’t one of them. She seems like a big snob to me.
Andrew and Harry not on the same level, or position, and I’m doubtful of anyone who proposes they receive the same treatment.
It’s going to take years to deprogram Harry, he is a loving person always looking for the best in his family.
I know a guy that is 54 years old and still looks to his father for validation.
When you have a narcissistic father who spent most of your life with another woman and you lost your mother at 12, yes, you’re always searching for that primal parental love. It’s one of the hardest things for a human, to not feel they’re loved by their parents.
Don’t be fooled all the Windsors including Anne are terrible people.
Hopefully Harry and maybe Beatrice and possibly her sister are exempted from that but yep, the Windsors really do seem to be twisted, terrible people. I mean, look at Anne’s gossiping meathead son-in-law whom they all think is so great – there is so little propriety there, who are they kidding? They think Meghan is worse than that????? She’s better than ALL of them put together, easily.
Beatrice was pictured hugging Piers Morgan last year. She is just like the rest of them. Hanging onto the money train.
@kyliegirl – I know, you’re probably right – ugh, it makes me feel so sad for Harry, who believes Beatrice to be his loyal cousin-friend. 😢
I mean, in general, if you go into every royal story with this in mind, all these stories make a lot more sense.
These people are all generally terrible (maybe with a few exceptions here and there, but the ones who are in the thick of it in London/Windsor? terrible.) It makes all this *waves arms at royal gossip blogs* make sense if we just remember that.
Wow I did not have Anne on my bingo card of the pusher of the frogmore eviction. Still it was Chuckles the father who went along with it though. Mire proof that Chuckles is easily manipulated. I’m sad for Harry that he was still trying to have some sort of relationship with his father. Seems like Edward has some kind of morals but doesn’t have much of a say.
so it sounds to me like Anne was the one behind the idea of “Move Andrew into Frogmore” and that didn’t happen so now FC is just sitting there empty.
but why such a push to get andrew out of royal lodge? for appearance’s sake? or because William wanted it? I dont see Anne going to bat for William.
It sounds like Anne told him to separate himself from both Andrew and Harry in terms of housing but he only did it to Harry. So here again Charles targets his son over his criminal brother.
The media is making it look like Anne targeted only Harry but that’s not what happened. And it is likely why Harry was fine with her at the coronation, well after all this played out.
Harry appearing fine with Anne at the Coronation likely says more about his grace and class than anything about her.
I don’t think he would ever turn his back on politely and publicly greeting an extended family member.
Most of the Windsors know how to behave when the camera is on them. Even William deigned to interact with Meghan when viewing the flowers at Windsor. He is probably aware of how bad he looked giving them the cold shoulder at the Commonwealth service.
Their spouses are another matter and likely reflect the feelings behind closed doors. The behaviour of Mike, Sophie and Kate has been appalling.
It’s really interesting when you put it that way @yellowy. I’ve always thought that Kate cannot be chill in public while William mostly can. But really its about how some of the married-ins have no chill. Sophie and Kate have publicly been rude to Meghan. Mike literally talked about beating up Harry and how everyone talks shit about him. Whereas Zara Edward and even William can act somewhat warmly in public. Behind the scenes is another story. But the married-ins almost come across as the proxy emotions for the Windsors who have been trained since birth to not give anything away for the cameras. Meghan and eugenie’s husband excluded.
Whatever Anne may have had in mind, I’m certain we heard the decision to kick Harry and family out of Frogmore was made right after Spare was published. Given what Harry said about Camilla being dangerous, etc. it looked like the kind of knee jerk reaction by Charles that a wiser person would regret later, in the half assed manner so far characterizing his reign. I’m sure his vindictive courtiers, who Harry also talked negatively about, were happy to encourage it.
Maybe Anne was smart enough to realize how bad it looked for Andrew, having just made a multi million pound payoff to a very credible accuser, no longer a working royal, and with no obvious source of income, to still be living in a property like Royal Lodge – and that Charles would have to provide money to help him stay there. On the other hand, Anne should know Andrew well enough to realize there’s no way he was going to move out, especially not into Frogmore.
Agree.
Why am I not surprised? Anne seems like a hard bitch, and probably every bit as racist as any other member of her family. Harry had to be punished for marrying that biracial American and having the audacity to leave with her.
I have never doubted the fact that she is just as racist as the rest of that family. There’s no way she isn’t.
Anne strikes me as a very black and white person. I wonder if this was not specifically personal against H&M, but rather like “you don’t work here anymore, hand over your keys to the office”
We can disagree with her conclusion, but it doesn’t necessarily mean it was done out of personal malice.
It wasn’t keys to an office though; it was a house they were leasing the same as other private individuals who lease properties at Windsor.
Oh, really good point. Im not knowledgable enough on the Windsor estate, apparently. I didnt realize other non-royal people rented there.
I’d say wait til we’ve had a chance to read this book and take that comment in context. There may be other stuff that explains it.
I think it’s important to also acknowledge that while it appears sometimes like it should be easy for Harry to cut off his father completely, this has been his ONLY parent since he was 12 years old. We can all see that Charles has been a terrible father since the get-go, but he’s still the only living parent that Harry has-and it makes it even more complicated for him emotionally.
I agree with this sentiment. We talk about how Meghan cut off Toxic Sr. but she still has Doria. Even though Charles is horrible he still Harry’s only living parent and we can’t dismiss what that means to him. Just like QE II and Philip meant the world to him even though a lot of their behavior seemed dubious and unsupportive, at least on the outside. Harry has drawn boundaries though, which is why he hasn’t come running back to the fold.
So I’m not a huge Anne fan, especially since she did that interview last year. Idk, she came across as an arrogant snob to me. That said, she and Harry had that one cute moment at the coronation and she did actually greet him at balmoral when the queen died. Which is more than his dad did. As for this story, it’s either true or someone wants us to think it’s true. I could see either.
This story surprises me zero.
I’m anti-Anne for no other reason than she does billion royal events a year, but she never takes off her gloves or removes her purse from her shoulder. (I’ll give the gloves a pass for hygiene reasons, but I yelled for years about the optics of Kate never taking off her coat for events, and it bugs me just as much when Anne does it with the purse.)
Ann wore that stupid hat at the coronation and I’m sure it was a cruel private family joke that she obstructed Harry’s view and the public’s view of Harry. She’s a first class, uneducated bitch. Does anyone within that organization have common sense? To understand any of them just realise that at their core they are always trying to get money and other favors from Charles and tell him and the future monarch anything they want to hear.
Anne is not coming up smelling of 🌹, this is the second life altering treatment she has been responsible for. And she was all smiles and jokes with Harry at the coronation, so I wonder if someone is throwing her under the bus. She managed to secure her own living arrangements so she is not beholden to Charles and in later years Willy. So why was this her solution. This undermines her brother the king in a big way
None of this surprises me about Anne…she is old skool regarding the Royal Family…and THIS is why Margaret didn’t make that move…even though Anne didn’t have to give up a DAMN thing when she made the SAME move…but Anne was NEVA the “Spare” so she could get AWAY with that…Besides…once QEII passed…do y’all think that MEGHAN would want her children or herself ANYWHERE on that property…they were NEVA SAFE there…which was illustrated in “Spare”…”the phone call is coming from INSIDE of the house” regarding H&M safety on Royal Property.
Anne was the spare for the first 12 years of her life until Andrew was born.
By the time she did her “Margaret” move…her being the Spare was obsolete because of Charles children
Anne is such a fraud with her military cosplay. I am not surprised at all.
Nor am I surprised at Edward at least displaying crumbs of a conscience. He was the only one to talk warmly to Meghan at the Commonwealth service.
Y’all are falling for an exaggerated narrative, imo. I’m guessing Anne is getting thrown under the bus here.
She probably talked about a lot of different options with Charles, and he likely expressed dislike of all of them. This conversation where Anne convinced Charles to evict H&M was probably Charles saying something like, “what if I evicted Harry?” And exasperated Anne was all, “whatever, do what you want!” And now it’s spun as “it was Anne’s idea”
Not saying it’s impossible Anne has beef with the Sussexes but history has shown Charles generally does only what he wants, and the palace loves to deflect blame from the king and his heir. So I’m guessing this is some blown out of proportion story.
The part about Anne saying Andrew needed to be evicted as well but Charles only moves on evicting Harry is what isn’t being addressed by the media.
IDK, not that Anne can’t be an a**hole, I mean, she’s a Windsor after all, but to me this seems like Charles (or someone around Charles) realized what a terrible look it was for Charles to evict Harry and Meghan from Frogmore and decided that Anne was the only appropriate ‘spare’ for him to use to escape blame in this instance. Charles couldn’t blame it on William (that would make William look far too powerful – why should Charles listen to his heir??), he certainly can’t use Andrew in this instance, nobody would believe or care if it were Edward or Sophie, and so Anne won the distinction of having given this poison piece of advice.
Spares have got to spare, this is no different.
Your last sentence @sunday. Spares have got to spare. Listen, it’s possible Anne chimed in and pushed for this, but either way, she can’t force Charles to do anything. Ultimately, he’s the one that evicted his grandchildren.
That’s my take too. Nothing bad can be pinned on the king, who’s already not popular. Charles and William can do no wrong. The others must be willing to take the fall in order to keep the privilege to themselves and their progeny. And Anne IS close to Charles. I just don’t know how much Anne likes Camilla. She may like Camilla more than Diana, who stole her thunder.
@Sunday, your interpretation rings true to me also. Anne always seemed closer to QEII than Charles EVER was. The Queen “gifted” Frogmore Cottage to H&M. I think Anne has too much respect for her mother to have suggested undoing QEII’s gift.
This gambit reeks of the machination’s of Charles EVIL VIPER courtiers efforts to deflect criticism off of Charles for the extremely petty and poorly thought through eviction.
I bet Anne is pissed about this characterization, too.
From what I understand, and its sketchy at best, Anne didn’t participate in the decision but helped for its execution. So why are the tabloids posing her as the architect of this decision?
LOL. there goes any past articles where the theory was Anne welcomed Harry at Balmoral when QEII died, that there’s any close bond, that they understand each other. Basically everyone in the monarchy puts the firm above all else, and Harry is a true outsider now…he will never be part of the family again.
Well, its not a “theory” that Anne welcomed Harry at Balmoral when the queen died, we know that’s what happened because Harry told us.
I’ve seen there are claims that Anne was the one to suggest cancelling the lease on Frogmore. What would be the point of doing that? I can’t see why Anne would even be involved in that decision? It’s nothing to do with her? Or was this a deliberate red herring from the Palace to see who is leaking information to Scobie?
Hopefully when the book is released we will get to see the context around this?
I wouldn’t put it passed the Fly to listen in on a conversation Charles had with Anne and then be whispering in Charles ear about evicting the Sussexes from Frogmore… “Anne thinks you should do it”… or something like that? The Fly has to be pretty pissed with Harry as Harry caught him out on the printer lie?
He must have shat his pants when he realised Harry followed that lie up and checked with the office?
Who’s the fly?
Charles’ temper trantrums are not surprising because William must have inherited his terrible temper from somebody.
Perhaps the Windsors shouldn’t have complained so much when Spare came out because Endgame sounds so much worse and we don’t even have the whole book yet.
Are tempers inherited or learned?
A bit of both I think but the contrast between William and Harry on that point is perfect for this argument. One learns to move past his anger and the other is content to live being as incandescent as possible.
Anne does strike me as a person who sees things in black and white. She may well have said to Charles that he can’t evict Harry without doing the same to Andrew. She may be totally ruthless when it comes to defending the “firm.” I am surprised by the angle of this story, but we are reading a report of what is in Omid’s book. I think we all want Harry to have someone in the wretched family to care about him besides Philip and Elizabeth, and are disappointed to hear this, if it is as portrayed by the media prior to Omid’s book coming out. I’ve been waffling about reading the book since the previews, but they are doing exactly to Omid’s book what they did to Spare. I do have it on pre-order, so I’m at least going to start reading it. I just don’t want to raise my blood pressure too much. At least Omid has made clear that he is not friends with Meghan and she is not one of his sources.
“It’s not personal, it’s strictly business.”
Huh, I can see it. If Anne was making the point that it helped the Firm to distance themselves from both Harry and Andrew, getting them out of their Windsor houses is a way to do that. Anne has always struck me as a “company (wo)man” so I can see her making this suggestion. Of course, like every other person in that firm, she wouldn’t see the issue in comparing Harry and Andrew because she doesn’t think Andrew did anything wrong.
That said, it was still Chuck who decided to act on one part of her alleged advice and not the other so he’s still the one to blame.
I can imagine Anne telling Charles to “chuck the lot of them out” if they won’t toe the line. Practical advice, seemingly, but bad advice given Charles’ likely emotional state at the time AND we are talking about a relationship with his son that he should want to mend. Removing Harry’s security was a power play. Kicking him out of Frogmore was another one. Big risks can = big losses when those threats no longer work—and they no longer work.
The next time Charles comes to the table he will need to come as himself, a 💩 father and a man ruled by his emotions. He’s made it where that other stuff no longer matters.
It is all on Charles. He did not have to listen to anne
Why are people on here giving grace to Anne over this?
That woman has always been an enormous, entitled b!tch. Her private property was illegally fixed up with Crown Estate funds, the whole thing is secured with taxpayer funds now. Her adult kids and their families live off her (and her taxpayer funding) and within that security corridor. They even live in her townhouse at SJP whenever they want. Years ago she told someone who brought flowers for a sick QEII that she was wasting her time and bothering everyone.
She sees nothing wrong with her untrained dogsattacking children in public parks. She’s even gone in on a scheme to transfer the horse trials at her estate to Peter and Zara, ensuring they’ll pay no inheritance tax on that massive property when she passes. As long as they are falsely ‘seen’ as the managers of the estate for X number of years, no death taxes paid.
Probably because, and I’m not as good at remembering the minutiae of this, but I seem to remember that Anne is kindish (relative to that family) to Harry.
People are complex. Anne seems like the kind of person who I would admire in some aspects of her life, but who I would think of as a complete butt bag if I had to actually interact with her. She could have advocated for tossing Harry out, but she’s never struck me as dumb as that. Harry and Meghan are the star power; they were also the show up with meaningful work already done, not keen to keen.
So – maybe she did. But maybe she didn’t. If that’s grace, that’s grace.
Anne may be more civilized towards Harry in public and private, compared to others, but since her neanderthal son-in-law is freely talking sh*t about Harry, I don’t believe she is supportive in any way about Harry or Meghan. Otherwise, she would shut down any sh*t talking under her own household.
I just thought it was so weird she showed up on that podcast with William that was supposed to overshadow Invictus. People have said in the past she’s mean and arrogant but to interfere in matters like this seems above her pay grade. Meanwhile her children are useless clout chasing layabouts.
Absolutely! I was horrified to see Mike talking that way! And Zara’s behavior at H&M’s wedding. Clearly they know Anne agrees with them. So no passes for Anne.
As are all of the Windsors, Anne is not a nice person no matter what we hear about her. She and her offspring are totally living off the taxpayers. Her two children get a lot for being who they are. Tindall is a huge brute. Anne’s “work” is an in and out quick situation. I have no use for any of this rotten freeloading family.
She’s driven to the engagements, which are planned entirely by her assistants, chauffeur waiting for her, in and out. That kind of stress free work I dream of too.
Let’s not forget both her parents must have left a boatload of money for her.
Which makes Anne, the biggest walking, talking hypocrite going. Look at how warm and friendly she was to Harry at the clowning,look at how she was the one to wait at Balmoral for Harry to arrive when the Queen died. Now look at her arse hole son in law and two faced daughter! Anne would stab you in the back, then walk around to the front, pull it through and watch you suffer. A first class Royal bitch.
Come through, Mary Pester. Come on through! 🎯💯
Anne is as cold-hearted as the rest of them. This doesn’t surprise me a single bit.
She revealed her true self in that CBC interview, when she sniffed at Charles discussing slavery and said, “It’s not really a subject of conversation that I would even go down.”
@KAISER, can we please talk about Andrew and his latest financial scandal! Thank you
Just when you think you couldn’t be more disgusted with these people, they find a way to hit a new low. Ugh, why are they all so vile? There like the twisted characters from a Roald Dahl book.
Why does Harry need a house just sitting there? He left. Plus it was too small for the two of them, where r they gonna put two kids?
Doesn’t matter. He’s been to London a few times for court cases and his Well Child charity. The house was gifted to them by the Queen, they paid for the renovations, had a lease and were paying rent. Even if he was there once a year for one night, they were paying for the house. It was just another way for Charles to revoke their security to keep them away. You think the Windsors step foot in the numerous crown properties they have?
It was plenty big , And who cares if it was sitting empty. He paid for it . Why don’t you go ask the rest of the Windsors why that need so many houses that also sit there empty. Like William and his 5 plus homes he currently has
Harry and Meghan paid for it. It’s just sitting there empty now and no one is paying for it. The crown estate is losing money every month unless Charles is now covering the rent, essentially paying so that Harry Archie Lili and Meghan can’t stay there. It was absolutely big enough and it was safe and secure for Archie and Lili on Windsor. Charles, and possibly Anne, have assured that he will see very little of Harry and Meghan’s kids. It was a stupid financial decision. And it pissed off the press bc it pretty much assured that the sussex family will not visit. And it hurts his image as the nations grandfather that he’s trying unsuccessfully to cultivate. So overall, it was a big mistake. A huge mistake.
So what if it’s “just sitting there”? H&M paid for the lease, paid over £3million for renovations. In which legal system do people get to “evict” homeowners from a paid-for house that was gifted to them?
This was all in retaliation for SPARE and to punish them for leaving. If that’s okay with you, @Just Somebody Says, it does say something about you.
Not often but sometimes some haters find this site.
It doesn’t matter if Anne wanted it done as a package deal to both Harry and Andrew. Harry committed no crime. All he did was choose his wife and children and his own mental health and safety over that of the abusive Windsors. The Windsors have a million and one properties sitting empty. Anne has her freeloading children and her grandchildren all living on crown estate property. Let’s face it . If she wasn’t the Queen daughter, she could never afford to own or least a house like the one she currently lives in. These people are all dog shit racist . So glad Meghan and her beautiful mixed raced children won’t ever have to grow up amongst those racist asshats. So glad Harry got out when he did . The Windsors can all go suck it
I don’t think Anne lives on a crown estate. She owns an estate that her mother the Queen bought for her. The Queen also bought Andrew an estate. I believe Edward got Bagshot Park but the Queen paid for the lease, so she took care of all her children and her relatives it appears. Elizabeth and Philip’s children each had two children of their own. Only Charles appears to be a vile father and appears alienated from both his two sons. Even Andrew appears to have been a better father- his girls support each other and he and Sarah appear to have always done their best by their children. Andrew fights for his daughters; Anne’s children appear to have homes on her estate; Edwards children are not adults yet and there seems to be a big space in years between them.
Gatcombe is her private property but it was illegally fixed up with Crown Estate funds. That makes that private property worth millions more than it would have been, all to the private financial benefit of Anne and her kids.
I am surprised, but even the best of them are the worst of them.
Anne is one of my guesses as to who the “two racists” are (but I actually believe they are ALL racist).
That family is vile. The best thing Harry did is cut off contact with them. The price of Frogmore renovations is a small price to pay, in order to raise his kids away from the grifters, racists, rapists, friends of child molesters, friends of Russian oligarchs and the bin Laden family, and family emotional and physical abuser. He’s well rid of them.
If this is true, Anne can go shove that “Golden Stick” where the sun don’t shine.
I don’t blame Harry for introducing himself as the son of Diana and grandson of Queen Elizabeth. Cut the ties; these people are absolutely hideous! I can’t wait until tomorrow so that I can download and listen.
Thread-jacking for a good cause:
If you follow Kaiser on Twitter (and of course you should) you’ll see that the Telegraph quoted one of her tweets (identifying her as the head writer for Celebitchy)!
I never know whether to believe this stuff, because if they told this to Scobie is it to just get a story framed the way they want it or is it true? It certainly can be true. No doubt about that. What I want to know, however, is if the Monarch is responsible for his/her decisions? This makes it sound like it’s Anne’s fault. Uh, no, because I don’t care what Anne said, the Monarch makes the decision. Let’s assume this is true. Does Anne have that kind of clout with Chuck or does Camilla? My money would be on Camilla, but it could easily be both Anne and the Escort.
Also, did anyone else see that Anne and Edward (and probably Sophie) weren’t at KFC’s birthday dinner party, because they were elsewhere ‘working’? What is that about?
Interesting, I didn’t see pictures of this birthday party. Who was there besides William and Kate?
Anne has never impressed me as being a compassionate person. She is a privileged snob with minimal education and a love of the equestrian. Anne was dating Andrew Parker Bowles, while Charles was dating Camilla. She never seemed to be fond of Diana or Fergie. It’s not uncommon for a family member to smile in your face while stabbing you in the back. Perhaps during the Coronation, Harry did not know her level of involvement in the eviction. He, too, will learn things from The End Game that he may not have known.
The eviction was an irrational move on Charles’s behalf because revenge was his focus, with Camilla constantly in his ear. I want to believe this particular story is taken out of context. There was an intent to move Andrew, relocate William, and evict Harry. During this time, Fergie placed a deposit on a property in London. Things went differently than planned. Andrew stays put, there is no update on Fergie’s property in London, William and Kate are in Adelaide Cottage, and the Sussexes are evicted. So, there sits a vacant property. What a mess! Being royal is too stressful.
I’m not exactly sure WHY I thought Anne might be above the poison of the BRF, but here she is in all her full viper royal bitch glory. Decades of at least mostly appearing relatively the “normal” ish one flushed right on down the royal toilet.
The best of them left that family, Diana, and Harry & Megan. Thank God for the incredible people who welcomed and received them and opened their homes and hearts to them. The rest of the Royals make me sick. Especially Charles and William.
Well, who received Diana with open arms? Wasn’t she very lonely for years before the divorce and right after? Her family seemed stand-offish too. Which is why I don’t understand why other royals and the Spencers don’t tell Harry and Meghan they can stay in any of their humongous properties whenever they want to visit the UK.
It doesn’t surprise me seeing as they are a family of royal snakes.
“You don’t want to see your grandchildren any more?” ..and he got his answer, this is utterly sad.
It has moved from william to Princess Anne – interesting……
The eviction was done to appease Camilla, I suspect that Charles wants
some connection to Harry, It will never happen…
Neither with bitter William, Kate will not have it…
The non-relationship keeps her barely there marriage on point…