The Duchess of Sussex has been seen! Well, these are weeks-old photos, but still! On November 15th, Meghan moderated a discussion between Misan Harriman and David Oyelowo, all to promote Misan’s short film The After, which streams on Netflix. Misan is one of the Sussexes’ favorite photographers – he was invited to Princess Lili’s first birthday party at Frogmore Cottage last year, and Misan snapped Lili’s first-birthday portrait. Misan has also been a very good and loyal friend to the Sussexes, so it’s cool that Meghan acted as moderator for this discussion. The event was the LA Tastemakers.
People have been trying to pin down the IDs for Meghan’s ensemble here. There’s agreement on her shoes, at least – those are Armani. Hello Mag says her turtleneck is from Reiss. Some people think it might be a rewear of her Massimo Dutti sweater? Hm. People are guessing about the suit as well – maybe Ralph Lauren, maybe Max Mara? Who knows. Her jewelry includes her wedding band, her diamond eternity band, her diamond pinkie ring and her Logan Hollowell gold Constellation Ring.
Meanwhile, the British media is still running blaring headlines and obsessive reporting about Meghan and Harry’s money, their foundation and their “make or break 2024.” It’s genuinely bizarre to watch a national press obsess over two people who left that island four years ago and who are not taking one penny of taxpayer money.
Photos courtesy of Getty.
Meghan and Harry continue to work hard and handle their business. You love to see it.
She looks great, as usual! David Oyelowo is aging backwards! And I’m always thankful to see how much Misan values their friendship. DM will of course have five articles by the end of the day with a horrible spin, and I know I shouldn’t be surprised at this point by how this one woman living her life and asking for nothing from anybody fills so many people with hot rage and unfair expectations.
Meghan is doing something she excels at. Along with looking beautiful wearing one of my most favorite colors-copper brown. Love, love.
The BM say that every year and will say it every year they don’t return begging Charles or William for handouts. At the end of 2021 it was, next year’s their make or break here they’re going to have to produce stuff for Netflix or Spotify or those contracts are going to be canceled, in 2022 it was next year is their make or break here They no longer have the Queen’s protection and the Royal family will never forgive them after releasing the Harry and Meghan documentary and the release of spare, now this year it’s 2024 is a make or break year even though you had an incredibly successful 2021, 2022, and 2023. The real question is why does the success of failures of two people who live on another continent and don’t take ANY taxpayer money warrant daily reporting?
So what I find interesting is Oyelowo and his wife are MASSIVE royalists. They love Will and Kate and tampon,literally blushing with pleasure. They especially adore W and K. I find this mix in producer terms interesting.
To be fair Harry and Meghan are both technically royalists. They both have titles and it’s clear that giving their children prince and princess titles meant a lot to them. Harry went to the coronation, both went to the jubilee celebrations, Harry’s never requested being removed from the line of succession and neither have ever criticised the concept of monarchy or primogeniture.
Alexa to be fair and honest they as parents have always wanted their children to be treated fairly and equally. Harry, Archie and Lilibet have titles because they were all born into a royal family. Harry received his titles at birth as his grandmother was Queen at the time. Archie and Lilibet should have received their titles at the time their POS grandfather became king the moment the Queen passed away, but received their titles a ridiculous number of months later. Harry and Meghan didn’t care for their children to have their titles for any other reason than they were entitled to their titles. They both have made that very clear and it is disingenuous to make it sound as if the issue for them as parents is the obvious racist element in the royal family wanting to make changes (during her pregnancy) that would only impact her children while there were also discussions of CONCERNS about her children’s potential skin tone and how it would look for the royal family. This has always been about protecting their children from unfair and racist treatment. They attended the Jubbly because of their love for the Queen. He attended the ConAnation because of his love for his father even though it obviously isn’t reciprocated. He hasn’t asked to be removed from the line of succession because neither of them have done anything wrong to be removed.
+1 Alexa
I think they are Royalists too, certainly Harry for sure. They use their titles, their monograms, wanted archie and lily to be prince and princess. They see it as their birthright which is the very definition of being a Royalist. It is what it is, we can love and support them and still acknowledge that
Harry and Meghan work with David Oyelowo’s foundation in Nigeria.
Ooh interesting, what do work do H & M do to support the foundation?
His foundation supports school girls in Nigeria. Archewell contributed school and menstrual supplies for 2500 girls.
They recently donated backpacks with supplies requested by the foundation.
Yes, you’re right Amy Bee. I forgot. It seems like the media have said people have to ‘pick sides’ so often I just start to think that way. And many do pick sides.
Interesting…where are the fifteen articles a day proclaiming that he has chosen the Sussex side, a la the duke of Westminster’s wedding “snub” to Harry and Meghan? Crickets?? You don’t say.
This is where my mind was! Lol it was after midnight, that’s my excuse
Good for her doing her thing. Let salt isle rot in their jealousy.
Didn’t the British press say that this year was make or break? Good to see Meghan.
She looks so beautiful
Still no engagement ring? Obviously their marriage is fine and the wedding band is the most important ring on that finger anyway. And yes, i know that plenty of women don’t always wear their engagement ring. But Meghan always did.
And i thought her suit was valentino?
I don’t wear my engagement band because I’m very clumsy and tend to ding it enough to pop the stones out on a semi-regular basis (probably because the prongs holding them in place get bent out of shape with the unintended abuse). I have no idea if Meghan is in a similar boat, or maybe it was something as simple as a preference in styling. Heck, she could have just decided she didn’t want to wear the engagement ring out anymore for events for no other reason than that.
Part of me wants to believe she’s seen William’s pearl clutching about “where’s the engagement ring?!” and decided “screw it, you can keep looking if you’re going to keep bitching about it”. But she probably doesn’t think about such comments at all.
Like with a lot of things about H&M, the more the media focusses on the ring and makes a big deal about its value, the bigger a target they draw on her back. That would be a good reason to not wear the ring.
Meghan didn’t always wear her engagement ring. There were a few times when she was a working royal that she left it at home. It’s not a big deal that she doesn’t, most women stop wearing it after awhile.
I didn’t wear my engagement ring all the time until all of my children were out of nappies and of to school, it’s to easy to scratch delicate skin or catch it in their clothes and, as long as she is wearing her wedding band I don’t see what the problem is and what it’s got to do with anyone else, especially bloody William, or the British rags.
“… most women stop wearing it after a while.” Not in the south. We wear that sucker to the grave, lol.
I feel at this point its become such an issue for the british media that she can’t win either way (like most things with the British media.) If she wears it there will be headlines like “FINALLY THE RING IS BACK!” and if she continues to not wear it the press will continue to run stories about William’s concern about the missing diamonds.
I wonder if she did lose it at one point – not long term, like maybe she was doing something around the house and it fell off – and after finding it she got nervous about wearing it and keeps it locked up for Lili or Archie.
But also, I’ve been married 16.5 years and I haven’t worn my engagement ring since my youngest was born. He’s 9. I mean it doesnt fit and I need to get it resized, lol, but still, I dont wear it and our marriage is still going strong.
Married about the same amount of time as you Becks. It’s a lovely engagement ring but at this point it snags more things than not and I like the simplicity of just having the band on my finger. I know a lot of other wives/moms who are in the same boat. There are days I don’t remember to wear my band, and I get a lot of (joking) side eye from my husband!
I don’t believe H&M wants to “win” the british shidtmedia. LOL I really don’t know why folks insist on saying: “she can’t win ” It’s not a concept that any admirer of H&M hv on their radar. Jeeez!
@kingston saying “she can’t win” does not mean any of are saying she’s “trying” to win the british media. It’s just stating a fact. Nothing the Sussexes do will change the narrative in the british media and Meghan figured that out long ago.
Jeeez.
@Kingston I don’t know where you are from, but where I am from the saying “can’t win” isn’t about ‘winning’ anything. It’s just a politer version of “damned if you do and damned if you don’t” with the subtext of ‘so you might as well do what you want to anyway’
“Always did” means Jack shit. The majority of women start off always wearing them and at some point progresses to only wearing their wedding ring. It’s a natural stage in a marriage and doesn’t need an explanation or reason,
Why isn’t she wearing her engagement ring? Because she isn’t which is a sufficient answer to a question that shouldn’t be asked because it’s none of our business. It’s wild to me the stuff people think strangers need to account for because they’re celebrities that they would absolutely lose their shit about some random asking them.
This ongoing fixation in the British press about William fretting over this ring makes me feel its one of those stories the media floats about a different BRF member by using H&M in their place. It came out of nowhere and is revived at totally random times for no good reason. There’s no suggestion that this narrative about watching M’s ring finger is anything other than media stirring and the fact it keeps being brought up that William ‘wants answers’ and ‘the diamonds have sentimental/priceless value’ etc. makes me think there is something nefarious going on with the Middletons and ‘Big Blue’ but the papers ‘can’t’ report that outright so they drag Meghan’s ring wearing habits out as a dodge.
Agreed Big Willy is going to want Big Blue back as it is a family heirloom! The tabs know about the silent separation of WK and like to tease by writing speculation about MH which is really about the Glums.
Truly, why would anyone care about Meghan’s engagement ring? She isn’t the princess who married for a specific ring.
My mother didn’t wear her engagement ring until after my father died after nearly 45 years of marriage. Before that, we kids were young, then she was a nurse, then it was just too much worry about it snagging or the setting getting loose. She always wore her wedding band (and a spoon ring my dad made for her, hey it was the 70s).
Since his death, she’s worn it non stop. She’s also retired and doesn’t do a lot of hobbies that requires hands like gardening or cooking.
I’m so happy that she starts doing this type of work, even if it’s for a friend. Speaking gigs, etc., all that. Let the world know that you’re available girl.
Love to see it.
Archewell’s Xmas party was Tuesday night, Meghan and Harry spent two hours there.
I’m not sure how you know that but that sounds about right. They probably wanted everyone to have a great time and not be worried about the ‘bosses’ being around.
Not into the brown but she looks insanely stunning as usual.
It is sooo funny to me that every year since 2020 is going to be *THE year* they spectacularly fail and they just… haven’t.
They’re not living the big red carpet Hollywood life as predicted, they’re not desperately scrounging for tacky endorsements as predicted, they’re not attending the opening of every envelope, they’re not shunned by A-listers. They’re just doing their own thing, with the privacy they wanted. It’s lovely.
Meghan and Harry never said anything about privacy.
oh i love the brown it’s sumptuous. the all tan/caramel ensemble she wore at the UN in NYC was one of my favourites as well. She glows in those colours they’re so warm
This is a very pretty brown, too, very cinnamon-y.
Why
my thoughts. but think part of her netflix contract
I’m also guessing bc of her friendship with Misan. He made a really good short film for Netflix.
Why not?
Seriously, why not?
Misan and his wife are very longtime friends with H&M, they were at their wedding.
That said, The After was well-received at the festivals where it was screened, is on Netflix, is a potential Oscar contender – and why shouldn’t Meghan help promote a friend’s work?
My guess is Misan and/or Netflix asked her. It’s not that deep.
I am assuming because her friend asked her to and Meghan liked the project. Not everything is some calculated means to an end. Before joining that family, Meghan participated in panels, discussions as well.
I don’t understand why this is even a question. She also gave the intro for his TED talk. She is supporting her friend, his project and the streamer that it’s showing on.
If cousin Peter can get endorsements because of a royal connection, PH certainly can. And yet, H&M haven’t been seen selling milk yet. OR even strollers, etc. like Zara. I think they are fine.
Doens’t Zara also flog Landrovers?
Yeah. Obvious royal connection there.
I read another unhinged article in the New York Post by some so-called royal ‘PR’ expert who claimed that Meghan had been seen on countless red carpets. Um, I can only remember one event where she walked the red carpet at that was at the Variety event a few months ago. These people just make it up as they go along, or they’re given talking points.
this is probably my favorite outfit of hers; it looks so good
i want to buy an affordable version of this
I think the colors look beautiful on her and I don’t generally like browns . Want that jacket so much.
I really like this outfit. She looks chic and professional.
Is this available on Netflix now? I definitely want to watch it.
I love the brown, the reddish cast of the top looks great with her skin tone. And I love how she always looks put together, but not self-conscious.
so much better than her sad beige. really rich color that complements her so well. i want to go into her closet to burn her sad beige outfits.
Sounds aggressive.
I’m glad she was able to show up for her dear friend Misan like this. I do have to wonder if she’s intentionally dressing to either deter copykeening or to perhaps ensure that IF she is copykeened, the wearer will surely not be able to pull off milk chocolate brown like she has here, turning the copying itself into a punishment.
Do you think Meghan knows that Kate is copying her clothes? She isn’t reading the tabloids or going to the internet. I don’t think she does anything with Kate in her mind. Kate is the one who is obsessing over another woman. Meghan is just working, living her life.
I suspect Meghan knows that person is copying her, and I hope it makes her not only appreciate what a fashion icon she is, but also what a huge impact she’s had on that worthless monarchy.
No idea and like to think Meghan is ignoring that person. That said, wonder if some her of her friends ever say to her, okay SWF is at it again and they just roll their eyes. It’s creepy and weird.
@sevenblue Yes, 100%. I do hope that she is as well insulated from the daily grind of attacks as she says, but any professional team (like WME) absolutely keeps tabs on everything being done against her, including Kate’s trolling. This is standard for any public figure as part of reputation mgmt. Not to mention we know from Harry himself that he still pays attention to their coverage, for better or worse.
They don’t update her on every little lie some deranger posts about her, but yes they would make her aware of what they felt she had to be aware of. At the very least, someone at WME 100% has a full analysis of the Meghan Effect driving sales of whatever she wears, and yes the copykeening would be an annoying craw that would be discussed at some level because it does effect the overall coverage of Meghan. Again, I hope she’s protected from the nitty gritty as much as possible, but I do have to wonder when I see her in an outfit that seems like it’s saying ‘you want to copy me so badly, good luck with this one.’
@Sunday, I think you’re overestimating Kate’s influence. We are aware of the situation because here we are discussing RF every day. A lot of people especially outside UK don’t care that much about Kate. Only their big failures (like Caribbean) get big headlines. imo, no one from WME watches Kate’s style change and why would they? It is nothing to do with their business or the power of Meghan’s effect.
Meghan said before, she is in charge of her own style. The only way Meghan would know about it may be her friends saw some headlines about copying, but again after what Meghan went through, it would surprise me if they talk about what is happening in RF to her. I may be projecting, but all I see from Meghan is indifference. She wouldn’t care if Kate bought the same shoes or wore the same style of dress. They are busy with their projects, foundation, 2 babies. No way anyone briefs her about how her racist sister-in-law copied her style, again. I think, there is a healthy, protective bubble around them. Their lawyers, for sure, follow what’s being said about them to protect them legally. Besides that, I don’t think, Kate has any power over Meghan’s decisions.
I’m not saying Kate has power or influence over Meghan. I’m saying it’s naive to think that a professional management team does not include people whose entire job it is to track exactly this, down to usernames of fan accounts or detractors, quotes and clippings, trends in coverage, all of it. There is no chance WME is unaware of Kate’s trolling because of the coverage it gets, yes even in US outlets.
Think about how difficult it is to avoid spoilers for a new movie, even when it’s top of mind that you’re trying to avoid them. Now think about the sheer volume of coverage Meghan gets. Again, unfortunately I think it’s naive to think she’s successfully shielded from all of it, as much as we’d like her to be.
And all of this was simply because I saw her suit and thought Kate would look terrible in it, LOL, so if it is just a coincidence then great… but IF I were intentionally dressing so someone couldn’t/wouldn’t copy me, then strapless styles, short shorts, and yes unflattering colors would be my go-tos, too.
@Sunday
“..but IF I were intentionally dressing so someone couldn’t/wouldn’t copy me, then strapless styles, short shorts, and yes unflattering colors would be my go-tos, too.”
I don’t think Kate lives in Meghan’s head the way Meghan seems to live in Kate’s head. Strapless, and shorts were two styles Meghan wore in abundance before she ever met Harry. And I can’t imagine Meghan wearing an unflattering colour with Kate in mind. Some of Meghan’s favoured colours and hues would be unflattering on Kate, however.
@Sunday: If you’re saying that Meghan’s copying Kate, you’re off base. Meghan has worn a turtle neck sweater with a blazer before. She did it in Sydney 2018. So, Kate’s the one who’s cosplaying Meghan. Heck, Kate wasn’t wearing turtle necks before Meghan came on the scene.
@tamsin @Amy Bee apologies if I’m saying this poorly because everyone seems to be misinterpreting me. I’m absolutely NOT saying Meghan is copying Kate or that Kate lives in Meghan’s head. It’s not about Kate, it’s about Meghan – Meghan is a public figure with a powerful management team behind her seemingly about to launch the next step of her legacy. So yes, they are fully aware that another public figure is actively, maliciously trolling her, and unfortunately I believe that means at some level Meghan is aware of it too.
And so IMHO, me personally, yes I might lean towards one outfit in my closet over another – it’s all my stuff, I like it all anyway, it’s not like I’m wearing something I hate – instead of something I know will be copykeened before it’s back from the dry cleaners. That’s all. I’m not even saying she 100% wore this intentionally, only questioning if it’s possible, mainly because I think it will look absolutely atrocious on Kate. That’s my real point here, lol. And I AM saying unfortunately there’s no way she’s not aware of Kate’s trolling.
I suspect Meghan knows that person is copying her, and I hope it makes her not only appreciate what a fashion icon she is, but also what a huge impact she’s had on that worthless monarchy.
Good for you Megan, get out there as and when you please, and shut the fkrs up with their “oh they have no friends, oh work has dried up, oh people are snubbing them, oh they have no friends, and I’m sending peirs Morgan a bill, he had some stupid dumb female American talk/gossip last night going on about Harry and meghan being called the biggest losers, he refused to let anyone list their achievements and was so smug I three threw my remote and part of my screen is now just blank, a bit like his brain, the evil little sht
Mary Pester, I think P!ss Morgan is hoping to ride high on viewers since he outed the ‘royal racists’. I don’t think that will last long, because he simply won’t have anything to talk about. He has to be careful because of Harry’s lawsuits. Whatever his viewer numbers are now, I have no doubt that number will return to the numbers watching before he outed anyone.
Misan Harriman is one of my favourite people; he sees and understands and captures things with his soul. He’s a tremendous artist and humanitarian. It made me so happy to see him with Meghan (who is incredibly beautiful here — never thought I would love brown, but on her it is stunning).
This is one of the reasons Harry won’t be allowed to win his security case; when an actual price is put on police protection, every Royal outing will be itemized including the counting of heads of each police person present.
Didn’t I see somewhere today that Chuck actually showed up to the High Court to praise the judiciary. Ostensibly it was to view an exhibition on female judges. But I question his timing, the day before one of Harry’s court cases being decided…
I have just watched a programme I recorded a long time ago called The Princess. It shows the media building Diana up, saying how wonderful she is and how beautiful and a breath of fresh air into the monarchy and how she connects with ordinary people. Then we see the media turning on her, putting her down, playing down the good causes she helps and building up Charlie to some kind of saint hood, and saying its Diana who is trying to bring down the monarchy. My how history is repeating itself. MEGAN didn’t stand a chance with this bloody country and it’s adoration of a fake institution/cult.
Mary Pester, and the institution learned nothing from any of that. They are doing the same and too many of us remember Princess Di and know what KFC and the Escort did to her. The fools are using the same play book.
@saucy&sassy, your so right lovey, and to watch that despicable old goat, riding to hounds with his side peice, while Diana sat at home heavily pregnant, and then to see him shooting defenceless birds, while Diana walks a dog, makes me so bloody angry. To think that little toad William called his mother paranoid when the evidence is still there on film, turns my stomache. Then we have the older white women saying Diana must be a terrible person for Charles to stray, and the same fking hypocritical women are the ones turning on the press and Charlie, screaming it’s all their faults that Diana is dead. Typical brits, change their tunes to suit the mood of the country
She looks beautiful and engaged as always
I went to Hollowell’s website because I love the jewelry that she wears (even though I can’t afford it. 😭) and they have a special page for her called, “The Meghan Markle Edit.” As well as one for Prince Harry. I really want the emerald earrings.
So stunning, it’s good to see her out there doing what she loves 😍 she’s a great communicator 😍 and her presentations are always well researched 😍
Consider: we dont know what President Obama does for “work” on the daily: neither do we know what his wife Michelle does for “work” on the daily; Serena; Venus; Amal Clooney; Jeff Bezos; MacKenzie Scott; the Ohanians; even Oprah. Etc. etc. etc.
The point is, there are folks who we know have money, but we DONT know what activities they engage in on the daily to either create/acquire more wealth or consolidate their wealth. But what we SHOULD know, is that these folks are NOT on a daily grind like 90% of the world’s population who need to eke out a living by toiling for others on the daily.
Did folks really expect to see H&M “at work?” Did they expect to see her drop off Prince Archie to school, then drop off Princess Lili to daycare and then see her drive to her “office” every morning? LOL
We’re talking about folks (H&M) who not only created two legally registered, tax-paying, employment-granting businesses (i:e Archewell Audio & Archewell Productions) but we also know that the stratum within which they operate is way beyond the 90% because they ALSO have a Foundation which DONATES millions of dollars annually since 2021, to cause-driven work – either created by them or by others.
We know that M has an agent (WME) whose remit is to “find and sign talent, negotiate contracts, and get the best possible deals for their clients.” Thats how the 10% operate.
So when we see M at this Netflix event, you can bet your bottom dollar that she’s not there to do a favor for her friend, nor is she there because H&M “have a contract with Netflix.”
You bet she’s there because her agent “negotiated a contract” with Netflix (in this instance…..NB: we dont know the parameters of this or any other contracts her agents have so far negotiated on her behalf.)
I do believe that some folks here and other places have been wittingly or unwittingly influenced by the shidtmedia from “over there” which sold their dirty wet dream of seeing H&M scrounging for work; or see them operate like the average brand ambassador, turning up at the opening of envelopes; etc.
H&M are involved in knowledge-based, productive activities. In addition, M has been an entrepreneur and an investor for virtually her entire adult life…..certainly since Suits debuted. And we learned this in Spare when H met her for the first time and mentioned all the things she did/was involved in.
As for me and many others, as Ive seen online in H&M-friendly places, I’d loooooooove to see them put out commercial products…..of ANY type. Because their billionaire status is just waiting to be claimed.
I completely agree that her agents handled this with Netflix. And I think Meghan is probably choosy about these things. She wouldn’t have done this if it was inconsistent with her interests and values.
Happy to see she still is working with Netflix therefore is getting paid.
Cognac, cream and camel are some of my favorites so this outfit is my jam! Once again, Meghan moving in stealth mode!
Meghan looks fabulous as usual. I just take her choice of aesthetic as her signature look, just like Queen Max of the Netherlands has hers. No engagement ring to me means it’s locked away for the day Archie gets married and presents the ring to his bride to be, the future Princess Archie, Duchess of Sussex. The titles prince and princess are Archie and Lili’s by right under the George V convention. Harry’s share of Diana’s personal jewelry may be in safe keeping for Archie and Lili. Meghan has truly moved on. The BRF/BM are bitter stalker exes that can’t and won’t let go.
Archie’s future wife deserves her own engagement ring. Not all women like Kate Middleton are okay to have other people crumbs.
I have “other people’s crumbs” as you so insultingly put it, my engagement ring belonged to Mr. Jaded’s late mother and I love it. Family jewelry is called that for a reason — it belongs to FAMILY.
Here’s what I don’t understand. How did these pictures not show up sooner? This was in front of an audience wasn’t it? And you know everyone there with a phone took pictures. Was there something else happening that week that was so major they didn’t need them?
It seems to me this was some kind of industry event, not a public one. The phones are asked to be turned off most of the time. It shows that LA is a chill place, they are not obsessed with Meghan, so no need to leak things until the event organizers release info about the event. It also shows all the unnamed sources of the tabloids from LA are manufactured with no access to H&M.
It was likely just a small industry event. Misan posted pics with people like Bo Derek, Christopher Lloyd and Jeff bridges. Not exactly the crowd to take a pic and run to Instagram
In search of likes. It’s cool that we didn’t even hear rumblings about it though. It shows they are likely doing stuff and people respect their privacy.
I watched The After and it really packs an emotional punch. I hope it makes it into award nomination lists.
I follow Misan on Twitter/X so I get to see more of his photos … he is so incredibly talented. And Meghan looks gorgeous here.
I could never pull off this chocolate brown outfit (too warm for my colouring) but it looks sumptuous on Meghan! It’s a great outfit to moderate, professional but not so flashy that you pull focus from the interviewees.
I would love it if Meghan decided to do more interviews with a charitable focus – I feel like she was just starting to hit her stride with Archetypes! And I would love to see her visiting different organizations, kind of a long form version of the end of year video report we saw earlier this week. Meghan always prepares well, she asks good questions, and she comes across warmly on camera. Netflix or whomever, please take my money!
She looks stunning in those colours , suits her perfectly .
I watched The After, and it really packs an emotional punch. I hope it makes it into award nomination lists
I thought 2023 was their make or break year ? Can we already bet that 2025 will also be their make or break year ?