Trigger warning.
Prince Andrew still lives in his 30-room mansion, Royal Lodge. He still has high-level personal security, paid by King Charles. Andrew and Charles have worked out a series of deals in which Andrew keeps all of his royal perks (mansion, security, shooting parties and family gathering invitations) in exchange for loyalty to the crown. In the past year, Andrew has been allowed to wear his Order of the Garter robes to the coronation, he’s been invited to Easter Sunday with the king, he’s been invited to holiday at Balmoral, and he and his ex-wife walked to church with the family on Christmas day at Sandringham. All of this happened after Andrew “stepped down” from royal duties after he settled out of court with Virginia Giuffre for raping and abusing her when she was just 17 years old. All of this happened after Andrew’s disastrous BBC interview, in which he showed zero remorse, lied about his friendship with Jeffrey Epstein, and lied about his sweat glands. Well, funny story – Andrew appears all over the newly-released Epstein records.
A woman who says she was a victim of deceased convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein alleged in a 2016 deposition that Prince Andrew groped her breast at Epstein’s home in New York City in 2001, according to court filings that were unsealed Wednesday night.
The large cache of documents stem from a 2015 lawsuit filed by Virginia Giuffre against the disgraced financier, who died by suicide while awaiting trial on federal conspiracy and sex trafficking charges, and his accomplice Ghislaine Maxwell, and other related cases.
The documents included a deposition from Epstein accuser Johanna Sjoberg, who said Prince Andrew placed his hand on her breast while posing for a group photo with Giuffre, Epstein, Maxwell and a puppet bearing Andrew’s likeness. Andrew has repeatedly denied any wrongdoing.
“They told us to go get on the couch and so Andrew and Virginia sat on the couch,” Sjoberg recalled during her deposition. “They put the puppet, the puppet on her lap. And so then I sat on Andrew’s lap, and I believe on my own volition, and they took the puppet’s hands and put it on Virginia’s breast, and so Andrew put his on mine.”
When asked if Andrew’s gesture was done in a “joking” manner, Sjoberg replied “yes.”
A motion filed in the case in 2014, on behalf of an alleged victim of Epstein’s identified only as Jane Doe #3, claimed that Jane Doe #3 “was forced to have sexual relations with [Prince Andrew] when she was a minor in three separate geographical locations.”
Giuffre herself has alleged she was trafficked by Epstein and forced to have sex with Prince Andrew on three occasions when she was 17.
We’ve heard the Johanna Sjoberg accusations before, but the Jane Doe #3 accusations are new-ish. I mean, Giuffre always said that she wasn’t the only girl trafficked to Andrew, and that Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell had a special interest in providing (trafficking) teenage girls to Andrew for years. According to King Charles, the British media and the entire royal establishment, Andrew and his degenerate history are preferable to Prince Harry writing about how he was neglected, assaulted and emotionally abused.
🚨📑 EPSTEIN FILES RELEASED
Jeffery Epstein allegedly forced an underage girl (Janes Doe #3) to have sex with Prince Andrew whenever he wanted.
Epstein also allegedly trafficked the underage girl to Jean Luc Brunel "many times." pic.twitter.com/CtuGuQdgFM
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In the document it states that he took part in an orgy on that island. He’s disgusting criminal and Charles is supporting a deviant pedo. What disgraceful lot.
NB: Diana was only 16 when Charles met her, 18 when they started “dating,” and 19 when he proposed. Charles was in his early thirties. It seems Charles, too, was into women who were too young to offer psychosocially meaningful consent; he just managed to keep his choices on the correct side of legal lines (to our knowledge, anyway.)
In that documentary about Diana there is that film clip shown where Charles talks about Diana as an attractive 16 year old girl when he first met her
Virginia spoke about this orgy in an interview. I think it was with Australia 60 minutes. She said some of the victims (south east Asians who spoke no English) looked to be as young as 8- to 12-years-old. I’m surprised that this abuse is always omitted when people are talking about Andrew’s bad behavior. Emily Maitlis never asked him about it in the BBC debacle interview.
* sad barf *
SEA is rife with this.. sitting at a south Indian hotel restaurant it was disgusting and absolutely heart-breaking to look around and see many white, 80-yo men sitting with teenage girls.. It was just.. I couldn’t.. never returned.
Andrew isn’t the only deviant in that family. And I firmly believe that Charles is offering the umbrella of royal protection to his brother not because of any promise he made to their mother, but because Andrew has a lifetime’s kompromat on Charles and he would gleefully write his own book/let slip to the media all sorts about Charles’ past. Charles and Andrew’s infamous Uncle Louis was a strong influence on both of them growing up. Also, Andrew had a front row seat to Charles’ friendships with various and sundry pedophiles inside and outside of the family, like Jimmy Saville, pedo priest Bishop Peter Ball, royal butler Paul Kidd, other royal courtiers, Dame Mary Anne Morrison’s brother, MP Sir Peter Hugh Morrison… Dame Mary Anne was a Lady in Waiting to QEII.
It needs to be understood that Andrew’s sexual trafficking history isn’t an aberration in the palaces; his illegal behaviour, and his continued ability to get away with, it is part of the woof and weft of the monarchy as it stands today. It’s an ingrained culture amongst royals and their courtiers.
And they don’t understand why Meghan & Harry will NEVER allow their children to be raised to believe this is normal, moral, behavior. Meghan will never have to explain to Lilibet why she needs to be careful around pedo Uncle Andy. There will be no holiday dinners with the family pervert.
And it isn’t just Andy. The whole Windsor family is morally debauched, and they raise their children to believe its alright to be immoral. Harry & Meghan are not ever going to be part of that.
I agree with you completely. I think Andrew threatened to expose Charles in a way that would make ANYTHING Harry said look like child’s play. Charles fell in line quick with Andrew.
Where’smyTiara, 100%. I echoed your sentiment below, before I saw your comment. I really believe that Louis Mountbatten groomed young men in that family. He had the tendency to glom onto whoever was next in line to the thrown. First it was Charles’ uncle David, who later became Edward VIII. After the abdication, Louis became best uncle to Phillip, after he was allegedly responsible for arranging his marriage to Lizzy. As soon as Charles came along, Louis became father figure to him, especially in light of Phillip’s coldness towards Charles. Mountbatten’s death affected Charles so deeply that, according to Diana, it was her condolence to him that made Charles fall in love with her (whatever love means).
This. 100% this. There has been many news buried out of site about all the “weird” dealings of Charles and Phillip. And both of them were mentored by Mountbatten. So many barfs on this.. so many young boys raped and abused, *on record* and how they were trafficked.. The whole thing is beyond the pale.
Don’t forget that Diana was 20 when she married Charles which means she was 19 when they got engaged, and probably barely legal when they met.
Mistake: Edward VIII was actually the queens uncle. But you get the point.
Andrew and Fergie could reveal far more dangerous secrets than H&M, which is why Charles wants to keep them on side. Nothing will come of this, nothing further will happen.
Charles made a huge mistake putting Andrew front and center at those church walks the thought all would be well if ferg ie returned. I wonder how Charles will attempt deflection now. Charles better not even think of taking harry and Meghan s titles now. There would be an outcry about andrew.
They KNEW the Epstein documents would be releasing the first week of January and they still all walked to church with him. These people have no shame or decency. It almost seems like they are hell bent on ending the monarchy.
That is exactly why they walked to church with him, because they knew the files were coming out.
Said if before and will say it again, Chuckles was one of the three redacted names, presumably because of his position.
So the real question is what does Andrew have on his brother because it appears Charles is protecting him.
And the spin was that he and ferg ie were together and both showed loyalty to the crown despite obvious evidence to the contrary
@Flower It would not surprise me at all if Charles was one of the redacted names.
Charles doesn’t believe Andrew did anything wrong and as long as the press remains silent and passive, there will be no need for him to deflect from Andrew.
The documents also mentioned another prince …Andrew definitely has something on Charles…Anyway, why not one of the news outlets don’t question any of this?
Remember that, while not quite as extensive as Andrew’s, Charles faces his own controversy involving close associations with pedophiles. Bishop Peter Ball and Jimmy Savile, to name two. Remember also that Charles was mentored by Lord Montbatten who himself has posthumously faced child abused accusations. Also, a former palace staff accused Charles of having sex with another young male palace staff. The staff, who said he witnessed this, was labeled crazy. This latter info was going to be disclosed in court by Di’s scummy butler, when the Queen intervened to stop the trial. Moreover, Charles continued relationship with Peter Ball, long after it was revealed that he’d assaulted hundreds of children, makes it clear he has zero empathy for victims of sexual assault. After Ball was convicted and served time, Charles give him a house. Something he wouldn’t do for his own son. Unmistakably. Andrew has dirt on Charles.
This is true about Peter Ball. Charles championed him and pressured for him to be reinstated within the church – from where he abused further victims. It seems Charles was also referring to his victim in his letter to Ball which read ‘“I will see off this horrid man if he tries anything again.” As well as arranging a house for him Charles sent Ball gifts of money
Ball’s first victim later committed suicide. His sister claimed Ball’s ‘friends in high places’ like Prince Charles were ‘categorically to blame’ for her brother’s death. Charles was also severely criticised at the enquiry.
Btw Diana apparently banned Ball from Highgrove. Camilla otoh was happy for him to officiate at her father’s funeral, and he also attended their wedding – again, after his caution.
Perverts. Imbeciles. They make me sick
It is sickening how harry and Meghan were mistreated and evicted while Andrew gets to stay on his estate and is front and center. They are a bunch of hypocrites. Time to abolish the monarchy. Charles is a fool and perhaps also Andrew knows too much so Charles won’t do a thing.
It is sickening. The RF don’t think any of this Epstein stuff is wrong at all. They probably wonder why everyone is so upset and mad over it. Didn’t Omid say that Charles cried over Andrew’s mental health regarding Epstein? He probably feels awful for Andrew. It makes my skin crawl just thinking about it.
Yes, Omid said in Endgame Charles was concerned about Andrew’s mental health during the furor around Andrew’s relationship with Epstein, and then being sidelined as a “working” royal. That really struck me, to know Charles was in fact able to think about someone’s mental state besides his own – but apparently not Meghan’s, who not long before, as we now know, had been through a suicidal depression, asked for help, and been denied by the palace.
If he cried about Andrew, it was more likely worry that PA would “lose it” and start talking. He certainly didn’t cry over H&M’s mental health, not even when PH was a child hurting over the loss of a parent.
Chuckie certainly didn’t do one d*mn f*cking thing when Meghan was going through suicide ideation while pregnant. But, sure, protect Andrew and worry about his mental health while being credibly accused of actual nefarious, gross, criminal (insert any deplorable word) actions.
Chuck was probably crying for his own future.
In that document, Jane doe named another prince (mostly European). Any guess? I think its mostly scandinavian country ones or Greek princes.
In some of Greek media, Pavlos (first son of former king Konstantine) is named.
OMG. But…of course.
Pavlos’ being named would not surprise me at all. A couple years ago, there was a photo of Fergie with her then young daughters on vacation on an island posing with some kind of epstein-like perv. The photo was circulated to essentially confirm Fergie’s dealings with very unscrupulous people. What no one in the press mentioned was that in the same photo are Marie Chantal and Pavlos. It seemed strange that while the photo was much discussed in the press, people were ignoring the Greek Royals’ presence in the photo. I was wondering if there had been some kind of super injunction.
It could also be Albert….
Albert is a known womaniser but that doesn’t add up to me that he would be involved with this mess. He openly acknowledges former lovers and their children too. Would his name be redacted if it was him? Not sure…but then frankly not sure about any of them, the fact we can suspect so many just goes to show how awful the lot of them are.
….and / or William?
I understand saying “greek princess” as a shortcut but this is a pet peeve of mine as a have some roots in Greece: Greeceabolished the monarchy in 1973. None of the children of the exiled last monarch were ever given titles as there were no titles to give. They sport themselves as princess with no legal standing and Mary Shantal, a very wealthy offspring in NY, wanted to wear a tiara and be called a Princess, so she marketed that title hard (at a time that the government of Greece kept requesting them to just stop using titles that are non existent even for ceremonial reasons). Also to note, that the monarchy of Greece was never Greek.. it was installed by the English (Oh no.. not them again!) as Greece was reinventing their republic status after shaking off the ottoman empire in 1832. Everything the English empire touched in the 19th century and early 20th has been hugely problematic and enabling further division and pain.. The Indian Partition (and the subsequent constant violence between pakistan/india/bangladesh), the Balfour Declaration (Israel settlement), the Minor Asia refugee crisis, and the list goes on and on.. it is truly truly disturbing to see how much they messed world politics up.
Oh, you are correct Olivia and don’t get me started on the “Greek” monarchy! I studied political science in uni and this family was a constant pain, especially in the 20th century! I could talk about the king’s, who was the great grandfather of Pavlos I believe, position during the WW1, the subsequent Asia Minor war, the whole family’s views on the military junta, etc. Their whole appearance in Greece was problematic.
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The legacy of the royal family is to protect pedos. Charles and Elizabeth both. Vile family, and the british public could care less about their tax dollars furthering the lavish lifestyle of a pedo like andrew.
Absolutely correct Josephine. It rings in my mind as QEII’s final legacy and Charles has taken multiple steps in the last year to cement himself on that same pathway.
It’s absolutely foul that anyone could give two flying figs about whatever petty offences H&M may have caused (not buying Easter gifts or wearing stockings etc), when Andrew’s FILTH muddies the fabric of our entire society.
I don’t feel I’m exaggerating. Child abuse and sexual abuse in general are a cancer on our society and by supporting Andrew, the BRF and the British media (I would not go so far as to say the taxpayers is where we disagree) are complicit. I’m mostly furious because I know absolutely *nothing* is going to happen to him.
I believe the British public hate Andrew but I agree with one of the posters that bashing H and M is much more common than bashing Andrew. And why? Because quite a bit of tabloid nonsense is also repeated by the broadsheets AND the BBC. The broadsheets and the BBC have outright lied so many times, I’m shocked they’re considered news sources. More like propoganda for the Tories and the monarchy. Omid said a number of times in end game the Sussexes were deeply unpopular in the UK. Why exactly? We know it’s not bump touching, tights, trousers and nail polish when saint Kate disobeyed ALL those ‘rules’. Sadly, people believe the tabloid nonsense because it’s seeped into their subconscious. It’s almost like osmosis. Same in Australia. Right wing media and the so-called moderate left leaning media ALL reprint /retell bs from British outlets. The moderate /mildly left leaning reprints tomimey’s columns, for example. No one here tells the truth about the Sussexes, like no one in the UK (unless if you count byline). It’s not zero sum. It’s not people screaming Brits love the monarchy! It’s people asking legitimate questions about how Andrew and Harry are treated the same at best, and Harry even worse most of the time. And if people aren’t examining why that is, then there’s truly no hope.
I’m sorry but it’s absolutely not true that the British public don’t care about this. Prince Andrew is HATED in this country but people make jokes about him because it’s the only thing we can do – no major political party supports abolishing the monarchy and these disgusting so-called Royals can’t be voted out. Hopefully that will soon change but until then please know that we are definitely not ok with this.
Sorry, Polly, I’m sure there are many good people who are disgusted by it all. But despite the disgust toward Andrew the majority love QEII and even Charles, and both are just as disgusting imo. The institution is corrupt and immoral, and too many look the other way. For the record, those in the US are no better. Too many people in too many countries willing to look the other way.
@Polly disagree here – I have noticed that Brits as uncomfortable when Andrew is mentioned and prefer not to discuss it.
But they will happily go in on H&M.
I echo your expression Flower. Most Brits will swear they don’t read or believe the tabloids, but if you ask them why the vitriol over Harry and Meghan, their response usually mirror ‘bloid trash. I don’t see or hear the level of vitriol towards Andrew, that I see displayed towards Harry for merely protecting his family. What’s ironic is that the royal family and their media partners tried for months to tie Harry to Andrew. The rule was, never talk about Andrew, without mentioning Harry. They even went so far as to crop the image of Harry marching behind his grandfather’s casket, to make it seem like he was standing with Andrew– and that’s the picture that media outlets used for months when talking about Andrew. After all that, it is now the royal family that has no problem being tied to Andrew, and I think it’s primarily because they know that the media will not criticize them for it. Go ahead fools, tell me that Harry lied about the invisible contract and watch me spit in yo face.
Fellow Brit here Polly and I 100% agree with you. Referendum on the Monarchy I would vote abolish… and go for the German/Irish position of an elected but non political head of state. I get so frustrated that the Brits are all tarnished with the same brush on here… please American commenters don’t assume we all love Kate , Charlie , Andrew and the whole royal mess.
There are some amazing and valued Brit posters on this site, we know you’re not all alike:)
The legacy of the royal family is The Crown above all. I have no doubt they have protected a lot more than just pedophiles. As long as you stay loyal and keep your mouth shut, they’ll protect you.
IMO, the Jersey Isle scandal regarding pedophilia and child abuse and the queen’s billions invested there did *not* get enough play. It was published in the Miami Herald in 2022 and can be pasted into archivedotph.
@Josephine Yep, pedos and murders. The British monarchy has a 1000 year legacy of protecting the worst of the worst.
Another Brit here – as far as I understand it, the country is split roughly 50-50 sadly on whether to abolish the royal family tragically- thanks to our equally awful and biased right wing mainstream media. From my perspective the royal family are a scourge on our society, emotionally deadened, paedophilic, beyond corrupt, having literally changed the law to make themselves above it, while they do nothing to improve citizens living conditions while hoarding money like dragons. They exist purely to strengthen inequality and further entrench the class system. Personally I think the French had the right idea.
I wonder if Andrew is sweating now! How many girls did he SA? How will C-Rex respond to this bombshell? Enquiring minds want to know. There’s still more docs to come and more big names mentioned. Not surprised Alan Dershowitz, Bill Clinton were mentioned. Was surprised to hear Stephen Hawking mentioned. I want to read more of the court docs for context as not everyone mentioned were clients and I heard the website crashed.
“in an orgy with numerous other under aged girls”… every one of these degenerates who were involved in/participated in and forced these minors to participate in these activities should go straight to jail and then go straight to hell!
How will C-Rex respond to this bombshell? I can give you an answer – by reminding everyone that Meghan was a real offender in BRF because she wore pants, touched her pregnant belly and wanted to do real work – not “work”. Andrew had some “unfortunate” occurrences and look how sad it makes him that everyone is talking about it! He just lost his mum!
Let us not forget Mean Meghan’s brazen eating of avocado toast.
Don’t even get them started on how gross it is that Meghan likes to hug people.
But sexual predators are right up their alley.
I am deeply disgusted at what was uncovered, not because of Andy’s proclivities, but because of the cover that he is afforded by the BM and RF. No-one is talking about it, no-one is ranting about his titles, no-one is talking about his victims! I am disgusted by what “his family” is doing (or not doing in this case). As you said, Kaiser, he has security, his mansion, his wealth! Meanwhile, Chuck wants to get closer to Gen Z by turning to IG influencers? Stop associating with known paedos!
Charles needs to publicly apologize to harry and Meghan. Charles needs to make a statement against Andrew.the taint of hypocrisy is strong in the windsors
@Tessa: Charles doesn’t make statements. He’s yet to deny that he’s the royal racist so don’t expect him to say anything about Andrew. His actions speak for him and he supports Andrew.
Charles should say something. Time will tell if there is public pressure on Charles to say something about andrew. Publicly or keep Andrew at least out of sight. What a mess that family is.
Tessa, if you’d asked me a year or two ago, I’d say the same thing! Now, I don’t want him to do anything more than disassociate with Andy immediately, turn him over to the authorities and stop colluding with the press. Unfortunately, I don’t think any of these three will happen this year or any year in fact! So, torch them all and burn them to the ground FFS
Charles has already shown his approval of Andrew! He pays for his security and he let’s him enjoy the royal perks. Andrew is very much an accepted member of the royal family by Charles and William..remember Christmas walk and Balmoral…they don’t have to say anything…their actions speak louder than words….
@Tessa: If he says anything about Andrew, the press would be demanding he says something about Harry and Meghan. He doesn’t want to do that. It benefits him to stay silent and let the press speak for him at all times.
Charles made a statement when he walked alone with andrew to church – was that 2019 or 2020? 2021?I can’t remember. He made a statement last year when Andrew was allowed on the main church walk. He made a statement this year when Andrew AND Fergie were on the church walk.
Charles is telling us exactly where he stands re: Andrew.
Yes Charles needs to do these things, but he won’t. He hides behind the robes of monarchical privilege, and I’ve no doubt that if he had a “cris de coeur” and spoke out against his brother’s sins of raping trafficked underage women, Andrew would spill all the tea. United we stand, divided we fall, should be the motto of the scumbag royal family.
Sort of reminiscent of waiting for QE2 to say something at Princess Diana’s passing…. Is history repeating itself?
In the photos above, it looks like Andrew was also allowed to wear those red and blue fugly velvet robes with the odd donut shaped holes at the shoulders; whereas Harry’s uniform was deliberately damaged when they gave it to him to wear (finally) at his granny’s funeral. There are just so many ways that Andrew’s been coddled and protected while Harry was thrown to the wolves.
I suspect there is a long history of deviant and pedo behavior in the royal cult. Jimmy Saville was a great friend to Chuckles and I believe Lord Mountbatten had some problems too. This is all very acceptable to this cult but don’t you dare marry a biracial woman or tell the truth about your upbringing because that is just unacceptable to this disgusting royal cult. Andrew should have been jailed but there are too many cult tentacles that reach into higher places of power to protect and ignore what they do.
Yes, Susan Collins, I’m more and more convinced that Andrew is not the only one. And Lord Mountbatten had more than “some problems”. He was part of a ring of upper class pedos which preyed on school boys in Ireland.
Brassy Rebel thank you I had forgotten how big the problem was with Mountbatten I didn’t mean to minimize it in anyway. I just remembered he was a problem.
When Andrew Lownie researched his book on Lord Mountbatten he met several men who claimed that they’d been abused by Mountbatten as teenagers (and possibly younger) – and the author has stated that he has no reason to disbelieve them.
On a related topic – haven’t read his work, but Lownie believed Mountbatten was bisexual and quotes him as saying about his marriage (he married in 1922) “Edwina [his wife] and I spent all our married lives getting into other people’s beds.” I did read the first part of Pamela Hicks’ book, “Daughter of Empire”, where she talks matter of factly about one of her mother’s long time lovers being a valued part of their household, while her father had a long relationship with the French woman supposedly the model for Gigi. The point being, Mountbatten is considered a mentor to Charles, and this open marriage/aristocratic privilege model was a likely template for Charles expectations regarding his marriage to Diana.
Yeah, the Mountbattens were a messy marriage, apparently he complained that he couldn’t satisfy his wife’s sexual appetite. I do think he was bisexual and there are rumours that he and his wife shared lovers. So yes, he was probably a bisexual pedophile.
I’ve noticed that many dramatizations of Lord Mountbatten’s life typically indict his wife for her promiscuity while purposely remaining mum on Mountbatten’s shocking alleged sex crimes against orphan youths.
Lord Mountbatten is also pedo and he loves young boys. Look at fbi had file lord Mountbatten.
Check this interview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41mNSage86U
Exactly.
Thanks for the interview link @Jejin. Since it is from a couple of years ago, I checked to find out the status of Lownie’s expensive suit against Southampton University to gain access to withheld Mountbatten documents, and most importantly to have his own legal fees covered. Sadly, Lownie did not prevail in the court ruling he mentions in the video was upcoming. More recent articles indicate that Lownie’s legal fees reached £450K, leading to the loss of his savings and his monetary inheritance. Still, Lownie is defiant in continuing to battle for freedom of information. His latest battle has been uncovering the government’s nefarious monitoring of his activities and private information! SMH!
In addition to the below link, Bylines Investigates, The Guardian, and Open Democracy have reported on Lownie’s battle to obtain withheld Mountbatten-related documents.
https://www.politico.eu/article/freedom-of-information-united-kingdom-national-security-culture-secrecy-obstruct-britain-history/
I believe Mountbatten was especially calculating about his disgusting proclivities. Didn’t he prey on orphans and/or boys in reform schools? And the people in charge of the schools were part of the ring? Great way to ensure that no one would believe them if they spoke out, or that they didn’t have anyone who would even care what was happening to them.
The main accusation is related to orphanages in Northern Ireland. The claim is also that the intelligence service also knew about the abuse and on occasion facilitated the abuse in order to gain kompromt on politicians in Northern Ireland with links to IRA
This is all so outrageous, I’m absolutely gobsmacked every time I read about it. I shouldn’t be shocked by now, but it still just…smh.
Lord Mountbatten holidayed in Ireland every year. Cars where driven to late night parties full.of young students from.the nearby fee paying Protestant schools only. One couldnt party with the Cathloics ….Those poor poor boys .
The Irish gov warned the royals about thst boat Mountbatten used to.go sailing in, ‘falling apart’ they where ignored, yes it was bombed by the IRA ,but was he killed because of his position in the Royal Family or for his activities ??????
It is all horribly unsettling. I wish more people would read Lownie’s books, including, “Traitor King” (about the Duke of Windsor’s nefarious dealings), in addition to the biography of Lord and Lady Mounbatten, and “Stalin’s Englishman: the Lives of Guy Burgess.”
The fact that Lownie said emails exist between the government and the royal firm related to withholding Mountbatten documents, is something the public should be deeply concerned about.
Moreover, let’s not forget that Lord Louis Mountbatten’s surviving daughter, Lady Pamela Hicks, and his granddaughter, India Hicks, did not receive coronation invites! This, after Charles is known to have been so very close to his beloved mentor, Lord Mountbatten.
Harry’s real sin: he meant it when he put on a wedding ring and took marriage vows. He won’t be an adulterer like his father, grandfather, uncles, etc. He will never take part in sex trafficking or abusing underage children. That’s what makes Harry an existential threat to his family of perverts. If he isn’t as guilty as they are, they can’t count on his silence.
And even more so for Meghan – there is no way in hell she would allow her children to be raised to believe that perversion is normal and acceptable. That makes her a threat to the perverts.
Well said.
Mountbatten “problems”: He systematically raped in a sadistic manner many many young boys that were trafficked to him and offered out of sight. It has been widely documented and confirmed as true.
A lot of those young poor children committed suicide later in life.
But…but…but…Meghan
Basically, all that this despicable pervert has given up is any semblance of “work”, not that any of them really work. So, to sum up,the perv has kept most of the perks.
Yup. Hope the FBI and US government officials charge Andrew. Make him live holed up in his little huge mansion, unable to step foot off the property for the rest of his miserable life. And let Charles try to excuse or ignore that.
Ok, so Racist ✅ Rapist ✅ Marry a POC ❎ – and these are the rules of a family whose most senior member is exclusively entitled to be the head of State of how many countries? Make it make sense.
Not to mention Head of the Church of England- a church formed so that the King (Henry VIII) can marry his mistress.
^^ Exactly @Andy Dufresne! The bloody, despicable history and nefarious dealings of many British monarchs is a huge tell! 👀 😳
In particular, the notorious dealings of Henry VIII, which changed the course of world history, have often been passed down to us in grade school as a kind of misogynistic nursery rhyme, and in our adulthood as a kind of glorified soap opera. The fact is, Henry VIII was a ruthless despot gone mad (a combination of being drunk on absolute power, and apparently riddled with pain from unresolved leg and head injuries which impacted his personality and behavior).
There’s absolutely no outrage from the royal rota. Of the few who have tweeted about it, they have been very passive and there were no calls for Andrew to be stripped of his titles, to be investigated by the Met Police or for BP to speak out on the matter. I saw a clip where Richard Fitzwilliams was talking about there being no way for Andrew to return to royal duty instead of the seriousness of his crimes and that he should be investigated.
They’re spinning this as “old news.” Which is ridiculous because they breathlessly rehash everything to do with H&M and present it as new on a weekly basis.
Andrew is a revolting, shameless pervert. Never forget he groped his own daughter, in front of cameras, during a QE2 mourning event. Dude’s as stupid and as gross and degenerate as Trump.
It all makes me wonder what Beatrice and Eugenie went through living under his roof. I shudder to think.
I wonder if Fergie continued to live in Royal Lodge to protect her girls.
Brassy, there was a very disturbing video clip from last year at some royal function or other where the sex offender was bending down to pick something up from the ground. He had his arm around Eugenie while bending and instead of releasing her he literally trailed his hand down her back and over her behind as he bent down. It was incredibly creepy. And no, I don’t buy the excuse some used that he was holding on to her for balance.
@sid, saw that clip at the time, and my recollection is it was Beatrice, not Eugenie. IIRC, it was during the couple of weeks of ceremony around QEII’s death, and they were both kneeling down to look at a display of flowers people had left in her memory. And no, he definitely was NOT holding on to her for balance, what he did was as you describe, and very clear. Couldn’t believe even he was brash enough to do that in full view of cameras.
He’s brash enough because he’s suffered no real consequences. Even his settlement with his accuser was paid by Mummy. He knows how well protected he is and will continue to be.
Nope @Windyriver, the well-known clip in question involved Eugenie being publicly groped from behind as she and Andrew were looking at cards and flowers for deceased QE-II. It was not Beatrice in the clip under discussion. Lots of observers often get the two York sisters mixed up.
Even if he didn’t sexually abuse Beatrice and Eugenie himself (and that film of him groping Eugenie after QEII’s death says otherwise), it’s absolutely confirmed that he exposed them to other sex offenders. Maxwell, Epstein, Weinstein, god knows who else.
I wonder what H&M nonsense they’ll cook up to deflect from this.
So far, KC’s reign is being defined by pettiness, weakness and vindictiveness – not a glorious look. The calls to abdicate might grow louder.
William is like his father and in some ways worse. If Charles abdicated William imo will go on a rampage to remove the sussexes titles and Andrew will suffer no consequences.
I don’t doubt William would go on a rampage, but he wouldn’t spare Andrew. I think Willam wants to sweep away all of the older generation. I think he has a lot of long-standing resentment against Charles and Camilla – his rage isn’t only about Harry.
@Eurydice, William doesn’t see anything wrong to drive Andrew to places. People said the same thing about Charles, how once he is King, he will kick Andrew out to the streets. Both Charles and Will don’t see anything wrong with what Andrew did. They both treated him better than they did to Harry or Meghan. Nothing would change if Will was in charge.
@Sevenblue – judging by his scowling expression, William was not happy to drive Andrew around. Ot looked more like a power play by Charles.
I’m not ascribing to William any elevated morals, just saying he wants to sweep away the old guard. My tin foil theory is that William isn’t just filled with rage over Harry, but also with Charles. Harry’s managed to diffuse his anger and direct it in a healthier way, but William is still seething about everything in his life, including Diana. If he can wipe away Charles’ “legacy” he will. And if pretending to be moral about Andrew helps him get rid of a liability, he’ll do that, too.
^^ Yes, you are probably right @Eurydice. What I find interesting is how many royalists (including Omid Scobie, btw) are very down on and harsh in how they view Chuck’s behavior and personality while OTOH they seemingly hold out hope with fingers-crossed that Willy’s reign will somehow turn out better. 🙄 😳
Truly, review how Omid deservedly trashes Chuck in Endgame, but in the chapters on William, Omid waxes sentimental over past personal interactions with Peg, and offers out hope that the current Heir might recover the better angels of his nature. 🤦♀️ Omid does not shy away from stating Willy’s egregious faults, but he clearly is very careful not to fully condemn Willy. I have noticed in Endgame that Omid also softens his depictions of Kate and of Camilla. 👀
I’m pretty sure that all this is somehow Meghan’s fault..trust the British outlets to find a way to connect her to this crime!!
Yes. The bots and derangers will blame her for taking harry away and he should have stayed to support the crown.
Is there gonna be a bigger post about the list/files? so many more much interesting names there than Andrew.
Right?! Heads of State! Captains of industry! A week’s worth of articles just sitting there!
I’m sure there will be a zillion articles all over the place, but everyone needs to be very very careful. There’s already false information floating around online. Also just because a name appears on the list does not mean they engaged in the sex abuse and other criminal activity. For any site to get wrong as to who did what is a massive defamation suit waiting to happen (oh hey Aaron Rogers 😒). Everyone needs to take their time.
And as always: abolish the British Monarchy.
Excellent advice. From what I’ve read, the list contains names that were mentioned in depositions, whether or not they actually did anything.
Agree @Mia4s. My early morning local news station discussed this. They said their legal people were going through the info to make sure they didn’t bring up names that didn’t have any context with the criminal activity. They were very clear about how they would put the correct information out. The legal department didn’t disallow them mentioning Andrew’s name.
I’d strongly suspect that a lot of the people who went to Pedo Island weren’t actually there for the pedo orgies, especially people like academics and scientists who were invited. They were likely to have been invited as cover for the pedos, a crowd for them to hide in, and who would know nothing about that side of things if questioned.
There will be no press outrage about Andrew .
Instead they will be hustling up more negative stories about the Sussexes to deflect .
The Royal family could murder someone in plain sight of people and nothing would be done .
That family is completely protected from anything negative and always will be.
Fat Andrew and his equally gross ex wife will be able to swan around smugly for the rest of their lives without consequences .
I just am so disgusted with this revolting family .
1000 years of royalty, raping children, pillaging countries and keeping the slave trade populated. When oh when will enough of us be revolted by this family?
Don’t forget: royal men are entitled to take any woman they want, even married, and the men are supposed to step aside and let it happen (Cowmilla’s husband. Rose’s husband).
I still believe Willy hates Meghan because he couldn’t believe Harry got such a catch, and Willy figured he was entitled to sample the wares because he is the heir, so he hit on Meghan and got slapped down hard, American style, and he is STILL enraged about it. How dare she!!!!!
@Cassie: I share your disgust about the corruption, the pedophilia, the deceitfulness and the sexual assault, all of it. Just a gentle reminder: “fat” isn’t an appropriate criticism. Morality has nothing to do with body size, and we will all be better off once we learn to stop conflating them.
Instead, let’s keep on rightfully criticizing his despicable actions and choices.
Oh dear ,I apologise humbly if you find that offensive .
I must make sure to never do that again .
Andrew is getting mentioned on US media and roasted on Twitter & TikTok. Some webloids are mentioned Charles called an emergency meeting when this list dropped and called in Will and Kate. It started the abdication chatter again.
*snort*
Awesome, the brain trust is on it!
So Jane Doe #3 is different from Virginia Guiffre, right? I was reading some of this last night on social media and some reporting made it seem like Jane Doe #3 WAS Virginia (from before her name was released) but then other reporting made it clearer that they were two separate victims (out of many.)
So now we know that Andrew assaulted AT LEAST three underage girls who were victims of sex trafficking and the royal family is like…..meh, at least he didn’t write a memoir about his father.
the RRs are going to ignore this and downplay it the way they downplayed everything else about Andrew – the only reason he stopped using HRH etc was because he was stupid enough to give that Newsnight interview, which got international coverage.
The rota and the BRF will cover for him the way they have over the past several years. It’s disgusting.
Yes, 3 different girls. Virginia, Johanna, and Jane Doe #3.
Jane Doe #3 sounds very similar to Giuffre’s claims, but then again so many of them were abused in the same way. An analysis from this afternoon’s guardian stands by the Giuffre is Jane Doe #3 notion: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/jan/04/epstein-court-files-damage-prince-andrew-hopes-restoring-reputation
Regardless, Andrew is a rapist, pedophile and trafficker who belongs in prison. Charles keeping him close is insulting to all sexual assault victims. As a US expat in the UK, I’m super pissed off my taxes here are still supporting Andrew and the rest of them. Bring on the republic!
TQ, the Judge named the girls/women who had already identified themselves through lawsuits or interviews. Jane Doe #3 is an entirely different person who has never identified herself and the Judge, rightfully, did not name her.
Please don’t let the bm lead people to believe that Jane Doe #3 is Virginia or another of the named girls/women.
I see people throwing around different reasons to explain Charles’ protection and non-response towards Andrew, but no one seems to want to address the biggest issue at hand. Charles is a pedophile himself. Is this not the same man who groomed and took advantage of a 16 year old virgin Diana, “waited” until she was 20 to marry, used her to bear his children, and abused her the entire “marriage”? Maybe in the UK, it wasn’t considered pedophilia since Diana was 16, but taking away legality, he is by definition a pedophile. Let’s not sugarcoat things when it comes to the BRF and their enabling of sexual assault. Btw, Charles is the same man who sided with his aide over racism claim https://amp.theguardian.com/uk/2001/dec/07/race.monarchy (I found it incredibly funny watching royalists claim Charles taking away Harry’s security & funding over H’s refusal to drop his case against W’s aide is Charles “protecting his staff”). He also very conveniently escaped police questioning over his cash for honors scandal and has been called out over the years for his problematic actions. So why are we looking at Charles for moral judgements? He doesn’t care because he himself is a pedophile and a pedophile enabler, it’s that simple.
They met when she was 16. They didn’t start dating at that time. He was dating someone else at the time – her sister. They began dating when she was 19 and married at 20. He’s a terrible person but facts matter.
No where did I say they started dating when she was 16. I said he groomed and took advantage of her, which he did. It wouldn’t matter if she was 16, 17, 18, or 19. A man in his 30s meeting a 16 year old girl and forming a relationship over the 4 years until their marriage, is pedophilia. He’s a terrible person and a groomer.
He wanted Diana because of her bloodlines and she had no past relationships Very cynical of charles.
Where did I dispute that??
@Hail — let’s get the nomenclature right — a pedophile is someone who is sexually attracted to young children under 13. Ephebophilia is a primary sexual attraction to mid-to-late adolescents, generally ages 15 to 19. Charles didn’t prey upon Diana and groom her, he was attracted to her and was consequently advised she was the perfect young woman for him — good bloodlines, an aristo, a virgin and beautiful. In other words a perfect brood mare.
Charles is absolutely a pedophile enabler. A pedophile himself? I don’t see that to be the case.
I’m old enough to have read the original press coverage of Charles and Diana. A big deal was made about him having to marry a virgin. Creepy as hell even at the time but that topic was the subject of a lot of stories. So where do you find an aristocratic virgin? You have to find someone young. It wasn’t about Charles being fixated on teenagers rather it was expedient for him.
When you look at Charles’ sexual partners he had a clear preference for mother substitutes who would coddle him. Many of his mistresses like Camilla were actual mothers. I don’t see any pattern of him being sexually attracted to girls. Diana’s age made her convenient for Charles. And yes he took horrible advantage of a young woman (with the complicity of her own family) but was no Andrew.
Charles is an awful person the be sure and he has absolutely minimized the horror of underage sexual abuse but I don’t see evidence that Charles has engaged in sex with children.
The whole Charlie thing is just “forgotten”.. the weird “dating” the hookers Phillip hired to keep him “busy”..
Diana is actually more sinister than people talk often about. Diana was believed, by many die-hard royalists, to be more royal than Charlie et all because she was of the House of Stuart. A lot of historians believe that line to be more legit than the German line that now go by the line of Windsors.
So by marrying her.. it was not just because she was young and aristocratic and appropriate by the eyes of the palace to bear the heir to the throne.. by having children together it galvanised the legitimacy of the Windsor line (via William) who is an amalgamation of both royal lines. I am too lazy to look for it, but there is a documentary about it which is available in Youtube explaining it.
It has the stink of Phillip all over it this marriage.
^^ Well, yes. It has been documented that Philip took a liking to Diana, especially during her Balmoral initiation, when they went on a stag hunting excursion together. Philip was obviously charmed by Diana, and it’s well-known that he advised Chuck to either, “Make an honest woman of Diana, or give her up,” because of the unrelenting hullabaloo over youthful Diana’s ‘royal romance,’ as labeled and dissected in the British tabloids.
The Royal Rota is equally disgusting. How can you learn about the heartache these underage girls went through and not even report on it properly or ask that Prince Andrew be brought to account. It makes me sick. But then the Royal Rota are real reporters anyway…sycophant scribes is what they are…not professional in any way.
Andrew plays a good game of blackmail and you can see that despite the Epstein headlines, he knows where both Charles’ and William’s skeletons are buried and he is going nowhere. He probably knows things that Harry has no clue went on, so he will continue to get security, Royal Lodge, and walk proudly with the family to church despite being publicly named as abusing underage girls at an orgy.
And Andrew doesn’t need a book deal to blow everything up when he can go rogue on social media. One juicy blind item to Deuxmoi and William quickly became the Prince of Pegging. Heck, Andrew could have been been the one who sent it in as revenge for William taking credit for pushing Andrew out. No, they have to keep Andrew very close and the rota will not press too hard on this. Meanwhile, Meghan will go out in public wearing a warm coat and scarf in CA and be the lead story for days.
This right here. Andrew plays dirty and probably made it his business to know all of Charles and William’s dirty secrets. Harry didn’t seem to want any part of this whole Game of Thrones BS, but I’m willing to bet that Andrew enjoys it.
“I’ve been to California once and it was hot so she’s got major issues if she’s going to wear a coat or a scarf! I wasn’t there on the day she was, nor was I in the town, but I am a California weather expert and in no way will take into account being close to the ocean or individual preferences! She wore a scarf and coat and I wouldn’t have which makes me better than her!”
People are insane.
Yes, this. I can only assume that Harold has all the deep, dark secrets written in a legal document and locked away with USA lawyers in case something would happen to him, his wife or his children.
Him saying he didn’t write all he could on his Spare book that would severe their relationship for life, was not a mercy. It was a warning.
Shush, did you hear that pin drop, so did I, the silence from the British rags and media over this is deafening!! List what list? The only list we have seen was Kates order to Dior!
I’m a Brit as most of you know and for two pins I’d be stood outside KP OR BP shouting at the top of my voice that the met police and the NSPCC should be doing a full investigation of ALL the UK royal males.
We know Mountbatten was a sick perv and we know he was Charlie’s mentor.
We know Charlie was a very good friend of Saville and had him to the Palace on many,many occasions.
We know Andrew is a sickening perv and we know Charlie protected him, just like Charlie and his bishop friend he defended and then housed, there were also MPs and a prime minister in their happy little gang of grosse
Andrew knows to much, and it would be to suspicious if anything happened to him now. They can wheel fergie out as much as they want as a human shield christ they may even pay her to re marry him, but more and more people will be glad that Harry keeps his children away from them all!?
They may attempt the star crossed lovers spin on ferg ie and Andrew and Charles will play cupid. Now that philip has passed on. I can see this happening. There may be a wedding
Oh yes. His true love. Fergie.
They both had torrid affairs and he raped children but it’s only because they love each other so so much and Prince Phillip was mean. They never would have done that otherwise.
It’s a romance for the ages. *shudder*
Fergie is a world class Enabler. Her entire income depends on Andrew. She lives free in his mansion. She will die defending how wonderfuI Andrew is. I think she’s tried to get the girls to be enablers too, but only Beatrice seems to want to play that game. Eugenie, and Harry, both saw everything that went on with their parents, and they have both chosen to remove themselves from being so entwined with the royal pervs.
^^ Umm, Eugenie and Jack have done what they can to remain as independent as possible. But Eugenie has definitely not completely removed herself from attending public and private royal family outings and events. I imagine that pressure has been placed upon Eugenie bts for her and Jack to stop having visible public interactions w the Sussexes.
Either the Palace is not going to say a word about these revelations either they are going to say something like “recollections may vary” again. Either way it’s disgusting and they must know they are in deep sh*t.
So what if Andrew abused women? At least he didn’t have the audacity to marry an American biracial women and write a memoir. Now that would have been really awful!!!
(This comment is PURE sarcasm by the way)
They weren’t women. They were kids.
Mountbattan and Andrew – both known pedophiles – yet beloved and closely embraced by the royal family.
Harry – married to a biracial woman and father of her children – scorned and ostracized by the royal family for bringing Black blood into the line of succession.
Andrew lives in the lap of luxury, protected. The British press is silent even as the Epstein papers are released.
Harry and his family are refused protection while the British media continues to demonize them.
The moral of this modern day tale: in Britain rapists, sex trafficking, and pedophelia are protected and welcome in the royal family. But people with Black ancestry definitely are NOT.
Honestly, that was very clear to me when Jeremy Clarkson wrote that article about how much he hated Meghan, more than some british serial rapist & killer and a lot of people in that press room read it and approved for publication.
Agreed. He specifically said he hated her worse than any serial killer, and there was zero push back, from anyone in the royal family or rota. Or, honestly, anyone in England.
All of these girls abused by all of these men. One rapist is even a prince who parades around in jewels and cloaks. He lives in a lavish home provided by his brother, paid for by taxes. And the only person arrested and convicted, is of course, a woman.
Epstein was arrested twice and Maxwell deserves her prison sentence, she’s as guilty as he is of the sexual abuse and trafficking of underage women. This is not an “always blame the woman” situation, Maxwell is as sick and perverted as all the others involved in this heinous crime.
I read about Mountbatten and his perversions and abuse to young boys, and I believe some were Irish. I would not be surprised if that was some motivation for the IRA to blow up Mountbatten’s yacht, along with British occupation in N. Ireland. Tin foil tiara: the reason Andrew’s security is kept, a fear of history repeating itself.
They blew up his yacht? How delightful!
Y’all know that Adelaide cottage is decorated with the left overs from a yacht refurbishment. His yacht? That’s a message.
I would hardly call it a yacht, more like a fishing boat, at least per The Crown.
@Aquarius 64: “I would not be surprised if abuse to young boys was some motivation for the IRA to blow up Mountbatten’s yacht, along with British occupation in N. Ireland.”
Well, there’s a high probability that the IRA was secretively aided (likely unwittingly) by M16, in Mountbatten’s assassination. There were increasing rumblings at the time about Lord Mountbatten’s alleged criminal misdeeds against minors. Mountbatten, and whoever else was in the way as collateral damage, had to take the fall in order to continue covering over Mountbatten’s hidden behavior, and to protect the constantly guarded ‘pristine’ image of the royal family, at that time helmed by the as yet, unblemished QE-II.
Also fyi, the violent conflict between England and Northern Ireland continued for 30 years (1968 to 1998). Mountbatten was killed in 1979. Northern Ireland is currently still a constituent part of the United Kingdom, albeit the aggressive British military occupation of NI has ceased.
Just went to google.
He DIED in that yacht explosion. Along with another old ass white man.
And two teenagers.
That’s not nearly the death he deserved but sometimes just having the evil expelled from the earth is worth a quick death to those who deserve only suffering.
I suppose, but it still sucks.
FYI: also killed were Mountbatten’s 14-year-old grandson Nicholas Knatchbull, Paul Maxwell, a teenage boy serving as crew, and Mountbatten’s son in law’s mother. They did not deserve to die. And given the IRA’s history I very much doubt that their motivation was anything to do with child welfare.
Yet again, I truly don’t understand why Brits aren’t in front of the palaces with pitchforks and torches, demanding that Pedrew be turned over to the authorities. He’s a disgusting piece of crap and so is Charles for shielding him.
The lack of widespread outrage is mind-boggling. And the rota’s complicity is a betrayal of journalism’s watchdog role. The British tabloids are lapdogs, not watchdogs.
Not a one of them with any semblance of honour or dignity. Not one. All lacking honesty and courage. A bunch of little corgis, eager to do the bidding of the crown.
Americans didn’t bring out the pitchforks for trump. He’s been found liable for ra*pe. Yet Mar A Lago remains unstormed.
And Trump remains adored by millions and the #1 presidential contender for the Rethuglicans despite 4 indictments and 91 criminal charges against him; everything from sexual assault to subverting the 2020 election results to illegal business fraud to stealing (and very likely selling) top secret documents to foreign powers. SMH…
You raise a very fair point, Anne Keane and Jaded. I will say, though, that when Americans had a chance to vote Trump out of office, they did.
Now, who knows what’s going to happen this year? I’m filled with dread.
@Anne Keane Trump has multiple indictments against him and is looking at real jail time plus civil suits. The Met police would not even look into what Andrew has done so don’t even try that comparison.
Deference to the rich and powerful and excusing crimes that wouldn’t be tolerated if committed by ordinary people seems to be an unfortunate side effect of humans being social primates with a dominance hierarchy. It’s something very fundamental to the way we operate, and to overcome it takes a lot of thought and effort.
I read up on this topic on a British forum I used to frequent years ago. Things there took a strange turn and I left and that was that.
However, as those people writing there tended to be quite well educated and open-minded, I wanted to see their take on these developments.
Imagine my horror when the general take was: “He stepped back out of the limelight – so why should we care.”
Creepy does not cover it for me – I am at a loss for words.
I think I know which website you’re describing. I visited one such site today and they were all trying to slant it as though it was old news. To paraphrase, the posters said Andrew has already had his royal duties and public facing role taken away from him, so what more can happen? As if his nasty a## doesn’t need to be put in the slammer. Disgusting all the way around.
I echo the other comments here that are stunned the Royal Family let Nonce Andrew walk with them to church just DAYS ago. There is no way they didn’t know the Epstein list was about to drop. What is wrong with them?
Related: The heckler who yelled “Andrew, you’re a sick old man!” in this clip from the Queen’s 2022 funeral deserves all the awards and honors the UK can offer. https://twitter.com/Phil_Lewis_/status/1569334401095303169
If you read his authorized biography, Charles was quite smitten with his cousin Amanda Knatchbull right around the time Camilla married someone else and wanted to propose, but her parents insisted he wait until she was 16.
He actually liked that she was his cousin, because it meant that he could court her in public and the press would just ignore it since they were on family outings.
Her grandfather Mountbatten was keen to support the pairing and tried to arrange Amanda and Charles traveling overseas with him, and Philip quickly put a stop to those plans.
Let’s face it. Charles has always been creepy and weird.
Didn’t know about Amanda Knatchbull; just Googled her. Gawd that is so creepy and weird (and fitting for this family!)
Charles could not court her until she came of age. Mountbatten had Amanda and Charles accompany him on trips since Charles and Amanda were cousins mountbatten was said to have thought nobody would notice so since they were cousins. Charles courted Amanda when she came of age and said no to his proposal. Arguably Amanda may have said yes had mountbatten survived the attack.
If I may say so “Her grandfather Mountbatten was keen to support the pairing” is the understatement of the century. He wanted it so much that he even boasted about it in certain circles along the lines of ” it will become the line of Mountbatten.”
From what I’ve read, it was always Lord Mountbatten pushing Charles and Amanda together. To my knowledge, neither were ever truly romantically interested in each other. They were just going along to get along with the dictates of their nefarious elder, Lord Mountbatten.
Honestly, Mountbatten was probably stoked by his success in advocating for his nephew, Philip, to marry Elizabeth. In the latter case, that marriage chiefly happened because it was what Elizabeth wanted, ever since she first laid eyes on Philip. Laughably though, Lord Mountbatten’s comeuppance was that the government prevented the royal house’s name being changed from Windsor to Mountbatten, ideally ‘for the sake of continuity.’
Realistically, Churchill’s government in effect ensured that the British monarchy remained the House of Windsor, so as to thwart Lord Mountbatten’s unending pursuit of political power. In the end, poor Philip was left bemoaning his ‘castrated’ fate as “a bloody amoeba.” 😫 As we know, the rest is ‘adulterated’ history. 😜
H & M were smart to leave that toxic sh*thole and move to America. The British press will deactivate comments and won’t report the news to their uneducated brainwashed feeble minded readers, but let their trash reader print conspiracy theories and abuse toward H & M children. I know this is an unpopular opinion, but why a half black American women would marry into a family with a history of colonization knowing what they did to a 100% Lilly white aristocrat Diana is insane to me as a black women. If you say love. Miss me. No love is strong enough for that bullsh*t. What toxic group of inbred lowlifes.
This! So far, the only criticism of Meghan that makes sense to me is wondering why she got married into a family like this. I’m not saying one should stick to their race for dating, relationships, and marriage. The BRF isn’t a typical white family. They have colonized half the world. Their slavery and racism is well-documented. I know Harry & Meghan love each other but all this shit they went through since 2016 isn’t worth it. But here is where I draw the line. I do not want to get into the “you know what you got into so deal with it..” type of argument. What’s done is done.
H&M deserve way better and I really want them to succeed, thrive, and be happy and enjoy life with their little ones.
CaptainCrunch and RRN, good job blaming the victim. I guess you need to do that before blaming the royal family and the Brit media, huh? You don’t get to make decisions about who people choose to marry. You can choose to marry anyone you want and so can Meghan. The powers that be at the palace told her they would protect her, and they instead fed her to the wolves. Was she supposed to KNOW in advance that they were lying?
Yes she should have known. Look how they “protected” Diana and even Kate (though I am not a fan). At the end of the day. Every black person knows about “black tax” or the price we pay for simply being black. They haven’t changed for thousands of years. They have no obligation to change and won’t change so we have a duty to treat life like defensive driving and not willing walk into toxic situations. I do believe she thought about self harm and glad she got away, but let this be a lesson to any person of color. If they treat women from their own culture like sh*t, they will treat you twice a bad.
@Saucy&Sassy, I’m not blaming her. A lot of us can be Meghan fans, sympathize with her and also believe that she deserves way better that this shitshow. Nobody would be able to predict what the BRF would / wouldn’t do and nobody saw all this coming. Hell, Harry didnt see it coming. But you cannot be fully surprised about BRF having racist ideologies, thoughts, or concerns about the color of an unborn child, etc. Like I said, they aren’t an average white family. They are THE white supremacists responsible for slavery and colonization.
Meghan never deserved to suffer during her pregnancies. She didn’t deserve the miscarriage. She didnt have to get those suicidal thoughts. I know she loves Harry. There isn’t any doubt about it. But realistically, love doesnt always guarantee you right decisions. This one decision of marrying Harry has cost her her life and an on-going smear campaign against her for 8 years now. There is a reason her own friends discouraged her from marrying Harry and she says that in the Tom Bradby interview of their South African tour. There is a reason why people around her discouraged her , which brings me to my point: We can like/love Meghan and agree that she deserves way better in life.
Remember, Meghan was friendly with Eugenie and good friends with people like Misha Nonoo who ran in Royal circles, plus was somewhat white passing. She said in her podcast she had never been subject herself to outright blatant racism only seen it happen to her mother, so I think she naively believed that things would work out. Plus remember she was told she would be protected. its easy for us to say she should have known, but if that was always the case, there would be no regrets in the world. And who knows, in Meghan’s mind, marrying Harry and having two kids may have been worth it to her. She’s not trapped, she can bail at anytime but obviously she feels has something to fight for.
@CaptainCrunch and RRN, although I understand what you mean, that argument has always been wrong to me.
It’s like saying you are never going to work for a company that has a racist past…well, good luck with that!
Or date white people that have family members that are racist…again, good luck with that!
Or buy stocks from a company with racist history…again…
I know this is a larger issue and this the OG of racist families, but I believe that Meghan believe that was the past and this is now and that such a “global” family (that produced Harry) could not be racist now…prejudice, certainly, but not racist.
I think, people underestimate the glow-up of RF’s reputation since W&K’s marriage. In the late night show interview of John Oliver where he warns Meghan before wedding that RF can cause her some mental health issues, Colbert says something like they were bad in the past, but this generation is good, right? Colbert isn’t some ignorant TV guy, even he thought at the time, RF cleaned up the institution. At least, that was the impression through press. I also didn’t know how corrupt and racist they were. I wasn’t interested in RF, so didn’t know anything except very surface level things and of course Diana. I didn’t know Edward, Andrew, Sophie even though I am very online.
After Meghan and media propaganda against her, I started to search for more info (which is how I found Celebitchy!) because I love analyzing media manipulation and its effect on public. From what I have seen, Meghan was an active person, busy with multiple projects, so probably her level of information about RF and BM was just like me or Colbert who is American and worked on TV for years. You can say, RF is built on slavery and that’s why she should have known, but so is USA? Also, being a light skin black woman probably made her somewhat blind to how society treats black woman. Her mother warned her after seeing the initial reports from BM that this is a race issue, but Meghan didn’t want to hear it. Seeing someone else’s experience and living it yourself are very different things and Meghan and Harry have seen it together unfortunately.
John Oliver’s pre-wedding interview with colbert is something I think about. Also, Yasmin Alibhai-brown. I didn’t follow the RF back then so was like colbert as in surely it’ll be fine.
Wait – I am confused is Virginia Jane Doe 3 or is there another Jane Doe?
Bingo, Jane Doe 3 is an entirely different person. There are two of the girls named. One was Virginia, the other because she had already identified herself in an interview (IIRC). Jane Doe 3 is not named, because she never came forward and exposed herself. The Judge quite rightly kept her identify a secret.
Thanks for explaining. So this is significant pattern evidence involving more than one victim… that’s bad and very damning for Andrew, the RF and the consistent constitutional protections afforded to the RF (not that it wasn’t damning before now). What a horrible man.
This is just the tip of the iceberg. The horror of this is beyond. Please don’t think I am a conspiracy nut but in this case I believe this filth includes those named alongside many more rich and powerful people across the world. Money and power unchecked rot the soul. 8 to 12 yr olds. My god.
K, I agree with you, but please remember that not everyone who is on the list were ever part of the sexual assaults. There are names of people who might have been there for lunch, etc. I know it’s hard to believe that they wouldn’t know what was going on, but I think Epstein was able to keep people not involved in his sex trafficking/sexual assault away from them.
Defamation is a real thing.
Epstein wouldn’t show a stranger all the illegal rapes he arranged. First he would groom them as prospective “clients”. There would be several innocent invitations that never led to anything sleazy, until Epstein knew he had his victims hooked. So, I imagine a lot of people had one or two invitations and then never went back when they realized Epstein wasn’t someone they wanted to associate with.
Apart from implicating Andrew the list is a fascinating account of how the rich live. Angela Levin, the Evil Witch published part of a fake list on X (Twitter) implicating the former Labour Government and Tony Blair. I’m not a big fan after Iraq but she should be sued for libel. All her posts are evil filth.
Thanks for reminding us about what Andrew still has. It raises the question of what dirt does he have on them? It must be pretty compelling considering how easily the RF ran off the Sussexes. The RF loves to tell the media how hurt they are by the Sussexes but they could care less. They just didn’t like them because they weren’t willing to play their part as court jesters and all the Sussexes had was their word against the RF. Another bit of evidence that he has dangerous info is that Camilla’s main cause is fighting against violence against women (I know, right?) so Andrew’s involvement in this would surely warrant a severe punishment so as not to cause hypocrisy against the Queen. Just sayin. These people are gross and I hope karma gets them.
I will personally never forget how hard Cannot and Willnot lobbied for Royal Lodge, and yet Pedo, the rapist, still has it.
They were floating tips to the rota for a solid year, and yet he still lives there.
Andrew makes me nauseous ☹ that’s all I have.
Focusing on who is a ‘peado’ misses the point. The ruling class places no value on lives they consider beneath them. Their servants, all their ‘underlings’ and their young soldiers are of no consequence. Everything can be bought and sold and thrown away when broken.
Seeing this list reminds me of this woman called anneka Lucas on YouTube. If you look her up you can see for yourselves, when she was a child in the early 70s her mother sold her to a pedo ring in Berlin. She was made to go to parties with the countries most rich and powerful people, from politicians, aristocrats, etc and the children would be repeatedly raped and tortured and eventually killed. She survived because one of her abusers saved her. Her story always reminds me of Epstein.
These very rich and powerful men seem to take great pleasure in abusing and torturing young innocent victims. Everyone who visited Epsteins peado island knew what they were going for, I can’t even begin to imagine the evil things that would have happened there.
I’ve long believed William is not the legitimate heir…if you catch my drift.
There’s a KCIII child that is older than PW. Allegedly. IMO.
🙄 Even if true, such an adult child would be illegitimate, and thus, ineligible for the line of succession.