Jodie Foster is 61 years old and she’s spent more than fifty years in the industry. She’s won two Oscars and she’s raised two sons. She’s currently promoting True Detective: Night Country, where she plays an Alaska cop. People who have gotten early screeners of this True Detective season say that it’s brilliant and Jodie is great in it. She’s also promoting Nyad a little bit – that’s the Netflix movie where she plays the coach of Diana Nyad. I’ve always liked Jodie and it feels like she’s more relaxed these days, less guarded and chattier in general. She recently spoke to the Guardian about True Detective, motherhood, working with so many young artists and her informal mentorship of young actors. Some highlights:
What it was like to work with so many younger people on ‘True Detective’: “Well, I’m pretty fun. I mean – I don’t take anything seriously. I make jokes all the time. And, you know, I’m not an expert… I just know me, I don’t really know anybody else, and even as a director – I’m not really an actor’s director, interestingly.”
Working with ‘True Detective’ director Issa Lopez: “She has directed four movies, and I’ve been in so many films, and I think that part is sometimes daunting. But we bonded immediately and laughed through everything. I like it when directors tell me what they want and say things like faster, slower. I’m not interested in directors who are like” – she puts on a whispery, luvvie-ish voice – “‘Here, let me shake you!’ She might have to do that with other people, because they’re young or they’ve never acted before. And I would watch her do that with them and … You’d better not do that with me.”
Her advice to younger people in the industry: “They need to learn how to relax, how to not think about it so much, how to come up with something that’s theirs. I can help them find that, which is so much more fun than being, with all the pressure behind it, the protagonist of the story.”
She’s trying to mentor Bella Ramsey & other young actors: “I do a lot of reaching out to young actresses. I’m compelled. Because it was hard growing up.” When she looks at Ramsey, who told British Vogue earlier this year that “I’m not 100% straight”, does she feel a pang of sympathy for her younger self? “Yes.” It was so bleak. “But I had my mom, you know.”
She admires the way Bella Ramsey exists in the world: “We weren’t free. Because we didn’t have freedom. And hopefully that’s what the vector of authenticity that’s happening offers – the possibility of real freedom. We had other things that were good. And I would say: I did the best I could for my generation. I was very busy understanding where I fitted in and where I wanted to be in terms of feminism. But my lens wasn’t wide enough. I lived in an incredibly segregated world.”
For all her cheerleading of Gen Z, Foster isn’t above being irritated by them. “They’re really annoying, especially in the workplace. They’re like, ‘Nah, I’m not feeling it today, I’m gonna come in at 10.30am.’ Or, like, in emails, I’ll tell them this is all grammatically incorrect, did you not check your spelling? And they’re like, ‘Why would I do that, isn’t that kind of limiting?’”
Her two sons, who were raised by three women: “My two don’t like sports. They like to watch movies and sit at home, and they’re really into their female friends. They’re super feminist. And there was a moment with my older one when he was in high school, when, because he was raised by two women – three women – it was like he was trying to figure out what it was to be a boy. And he watched television and came to the conclusion, oh, I just need to be an a–hole. I understand! I need to be sh-tty to women, and act like I’m a f–ker. And I was like, no! That’s not what it is to be a man! That’s what our culture has been selling you for all this time.” The phase went on for six months, she says. Did she let it play out? “Yes, and no. I was like, you won’t be talking to me like that.”
I like this answer: “I did the best I could for my generation.” I think that’s very true – there was a time when the LGBTQ community wanted Jodie to be more public, more vocal about her sexuality and her life and she just refused. It was a generational thing but it was also just about Jodie needing to keep things a certain way to feel safe, which is partly generational and partly about her own experiences. As for what she says about Gen Z… lmao. That’s going to upset some people. She’s not wrong though, just my opinion!
Photos courtesy of Avalon Red.
So if it was up to me and someone asked, I’d always choose to start my day at 10:30. That said, if the call sheet says 8, I wouldn’t just randomly show up at 10:30 cuz I wasn’t feeling it.
I do agree with her on the spelling and grammar.
Me, too. I’d be tempted to reply to their text or email with one that was so misspelled that they couldn’t understand what I said.
More than likely it comes from texting and pushing the send button before rereading what they wrote. I always even reread my comments before hitting the send button.
My kids told me that my use of punctuation in texts is aggressive.
@Felicity Fox
Thank you, I needed that laugh this morning.
Love her!!! Can’t wait to watch the series premiere tonight. And yes I agree with her stance on genz they are very free will, less structurally oriented, I’m an over anxious millennial.
She👏🏻ain’t👏🏻wrong
I think some of the stereotypes about millennials have some truth to them but when it comes to. Gen Z, the kids are alright. They have plans for this world and they mean to see them through.
I don’t doubt that Gen Z are alright, but if they’re really acting like that on set (.ie not feeling it) then I can see why she’s annoyed.
I thought that stereotype was something you could only find in memes, but if that’s her direct experience with them I don’t blame her for calling it out. I am a little amused though — you’re hoping for your big break in acting, one of the most competitive industries in the world, but you don’t feel it at 8 am in the morning? Wow, that’s kind of wild.
She’s 100% right about gen z
Every time I see Jodie Foster I can’t help but think of that famous quote, “Look, it’s terrible, I know, but weakness really, really bugs me, to the point that if there is a wounded bird on the sidewalk, I look at it and I go: ‘I think I’ll just kick it.'”
Some things you just can’t unknow, ya know?
She worked with Roman Polanski. I can’t unknow that either.
not to mention her unconditional support of Mel Gibson
@Whatever oh my god! I couldn’t believe this quote was real but it really is. That is… scary. Psychotic, even. Deeply inhumane. Something must be very, very wrong in her head. I can’t believe there hasn’t been a bigger discussion or scandal around the quote at the time it happened. I will never forget this, either.
Wow. I’ve learned so much about Jodie Foster today, I can hardly stand it. Yikes! Wonder if she’s still keen to do a Leni Riefenstahl project? Why? What’s the attraction? As for Gen Z, I’m in complete agreement with everyone on here who has respect for them and sees their great promise.
That quote was in response to being the sole breadwinner for her family since the age of three. Weakness was not something her mother allowed.
@Megan yeah, I get that it’s always coming from somewhere, but that doesn’t make it less alarming. I think when someone thinks about kicking wounded birds that’s a really good time to start therapy. Not make it sound like it’s a fun personal anecdote.
I think my very beautiful, very pre-war Hungarian Grandmother said it best; “Do not complain about the young. It is not chic.”.
I’m almost 50 years old. Jodie Foster has been amazing in so many ways, but publicly complaining about young adults isn’t one of them.
Do you remember hearing from our grandparents about how bad they had it and they didn’t complain and blah blah blah. Walking miles through snow to school etc.
It was lame then and it’s lame now.
Also, thank god young adults are more willing to complain about what isn’t working for them. We have Me Too because of that, we have paltry maternity leave because of that (should be more), we are starting to get rid of awful people in the workplace because of that (should be more), we have all sorts of things because of that.
I hope they keep bitching about what isn’t working.
Also, let’s be real. We would all love the chance to sleep in until 9 now and then.
I am just a year younger than Jodie and I agree with you. Her comments have the whiff of an old coot waving his cane and yelling get off my lawn. I support the young adults — they have a hellacious mess to clean up and deal with.
I agree with both Mika And B. I’m a 50 something with both a millenial and gen z kids. I can see some differences in them, and I love, admire, and respect both of them. My gen z daughter is a fierce debater; can I go ahead and take credit for that, lol?!
We have MeToo because of Generation X mostly: Tarana Burke (who coined it) and Rose McGowan (who had the courage to publicly accuse Harvey Weinstein) were both born in 1973. Harvey might have still been able to slime his way out of accusations except for a slew of famous older actresses who said enough was enough, and came out publicly to back her up, not knowing the avalanche that would follow. Older women have been through decades of various abuses and indignities much worse than rising for a 10 am work call, so sorry, Gen Z doesn’t get the credit for MeToo.
I think that Jodie Foster is problematic. She does sound a bit crotchety and “get off my lawn!” And in general, I love Gen Z. I feel like they are so much more authentic and accepting then my Gen X generation. And yes, your grandmother does sound much wiser than Jodie Foster!
Your grandmother was wise!
I’m GenX and this inspired an, “Okay, Boomer” for me.
Nothing says “old coot” like disparaging those younger than you.
Hmmmm…..
I could complain about
A) a 20 something that wishes they were still in bed
or
B) having higher ups creeping up on me through a lot of my career
C) (insert vomit worthy political issue like women losing their reproductive freedoms)
Totally. Let’s dog on the 20-something that was expressing a normal human thought. K Felicia.
I don’t know – it struck me more as a joke with a whiff of realness – “Spelling and grammar are so limiting!” I love the youths and never badmouth them, but we can notice generational differences and find both humor and exasperation in them. She’s not shouting, “Get off my lawn!” She actively reaches out and mentors young actors and says, “Come here, I want to tell you something.”
I have mixed feelings about this (age 40-45). I get the appeal of flexible hours, and wanting some wiggle room for work time and free time, but not every job can provide that. If you’re scheduled for a shift starting at 7am, you need to be ready to work at 7am- someone else is waiting for you to start so they can have their own time off. I get the impression from a lot of the new grads we get (in large hospital surgery) that this is their first full time job, that many of them have never worked an 8-12hr shift and it shows. They complain about being on their feet and not getting breaks any moment they want one, they don’t want to work overtime, they don’t want the less desirable shifts (which are where you start out in these jobs), they don’t want to work on call or weekends… Valid complaints? I could actually say yes, but that’s the nature of this type of job… If I think about it, maybe the rest of us “olds” have been doing this wrong the whole time and we should have been voicing our displeasure about the same things all this time ourselves. Companies expect us to take one for the team, or something like that, and I think that’s the mindset workers have been given since forever, and I don’t think it’s a bad thing that younger workers are recognizing that the “team” is a one way street and it’s not going their direction. [apologies for the terribly mixed metaphors]
FancyPants-I totally understand what you’re saying. I’m 57 and have worked as a nurse off and on for 25 years in the medical field. I say off and on, because I’ve taken mini breaks from nursing to work outside. I even took a year off to attend film school at one point. I totally understand where young people entering the workplace are coming from and I’m glad they’re disrupting the status quo on forced overtime, lack of breaks and on-call. I’m hoping it will lead to better staffing ratios, covered breaks and ultimately better patient outcomes. I’m serving an on-call sentence as I type and get disgruntled when I think about the pittance I’m paid to do it. I mean, who decides the value of my time, especially my free time. Ugh! That said, you do need to show up when your shift starts.
Yup. I have three Gen Zers and I say keep pushing for better work conditions and and work life balance. Having said that, I’m also a nurse and shift work does require being on time. Even part time nights I was always tired and eventually left the hospital for a consistent schedule. Hopefully something can be done to improve the situation, starting with the chronic understaffing and crappy management.
@Fancypants I think you actually put it quite well as I struggle with this in the workplace too. I want to say “ suck it up buttercup welcome to the real world and by the way, the job is what pays for all your family time and great experiences etc….” But I also know I made tons of sacrifices, especially as a woman in the corporate workspace (and a very male dominated one) and I’m not sure they really paid off ultimately. Some things only change at a glacial pace. So are the young geniuses to say “ nope, not doing this!” Or does one good recession where they are the main family provider change their tune? I really struggle around the right answers for this. ( I’ve also had a sideline blogging about corporate change so it’s something I think about a lot)
I feel that way too. We’ve had a few Gen Z interns, most of them have been great, a few have been extremely sheltered. One was scared to do anything, and anything we asked her to do, she was afraid and would try to get out of it. It got very frustrating and she was pretty much useless by that point. I am very patient in general, but she pushed me to the breaking point and I had to tell her if you want a career, you need to get over these fears and stop limiting yourself. Also this is an office job, not skydiving or something, lol.
I am all for a better work life balance and people being treated and paid fairly for their work, but at the same time if you’re a young actor and there are 200 people in the crew, who have been there a lot longer than you and are getting paid a lot less, you better show up at your call time.
Shift work is a totally different animal and you need to be on time. I’m also a nurse but left the hospital because the shifts were just getting to me. Even though I was part time nights, I was always tired. The short staffness and crappy management doesn’t help.
This really resonates with me too. Different sector – I’m a lawyer, but our youngest recruits very much finish at the end of their prescribed working day, with boundaries in place that they’ll pick it up tomorrow. 89% of the time it drives me bananas, but I’m also really proud that they’re putting in place a work life balance (I’m sure it would be higher a percentage if it didn’t mean that I often worked later without support!)
I can understand people in the medical profession complaining about their work hours. Actors on a movie, not so much. My understanding is that they have a lot of breaks in between to recharge.
I resemble her remark about the one son. I leaned into raising a super feminist son and he’s in his “rebellious” and a-hole “I am man, hear me roar” phase. *sigh*
I often find Gen Z annoying AF because that’s the age I teach. Grammar and spelling? Don’t know her. Teachers were fed a ton of bs on digital natives. Just because they grew up with cell phones and computers doesn’t mean they know how to work them for their school needs.
That said, my students on the whole are kind, accepting and supportive of others, and hilarious.
I’m the parent of two Gen Zers and I’d describe them and most of their friends the way you described your students. Earnest and hardworking, kind and compassionate, funny and warm. Of course some people are annoying, but that’s every generation, imo. Maybe the ones who go into acting have a different mindset than most others their age, I don’t know.
“ of course, some people are annoying“
I think this gets to what bugs me about her comments. The “I’m just not feeling it today, won’t be there until hours after my start time” is not something that’s consistent across an entire generation, or unique to anyone particular generation.
I am quite certain actors of every generation have some who don’t show up at their call times because of reasons (and I’m pretty sure I’ve read about at least 3 dozen white male actors who have done that throughout the last few decades and before, including some of Jodie’s age peers and it was considered part of their process or method work or and aspect of their substance using lifestyle or whatever that other people just had to deal with.) it’s disrespectful no matter who does it, but not everyone of a certain age does it.
That being said a) I am glad that many
people in the newer generations of workers are pushing back on the norm of work comes first and life gets squeezed out that have been present in our society for decades? centuries?? With gains in productivity, that shouldn’t be the norm. And maybe should never have been the norm outside of limited extreme subsistence circumstances.
And b) if you take a job where other people depend on you showing up at 9 AM, (so they can go home, or do their jobs) you should show up at 9 AM. If you don’t want to have a job that requires you to work fixed schedules or to work 50 hours a week, don’t take or stay in a job that requires fixed schedules or 50 hour work weeks. Do something else.
I could have written that comment! My students are empathetic and even though their spelling is terribly annoying when you read mountains of papers, they are good human beings that mostly want to make the world a better place. So I try to cheer them on and give them food for thought so they have the tools to do that.
Agreed re Gen Z. They’re just fine. My students show up, work & are fine. Needs more assurance than other generations but honestly so what? We repressed our fears. All they need is a bit of guidance. If they need to show up on time, tell them, explain why, and you’ll have no trouble. And if you do then fire them. This isn’t hard people! -Signed, a prof
I have been a high school teacher for 20+ years as well and I get it, but many of these behaviours are in part a result of how they were parented by Jodie’s generation. How about some accountability? I like that she says she tries to guide young actors, but how do the young actors feel about working with her? To be sure she has a lot of experience, but the younger generations are more willing to take risks and think outside of the box, which are great attributes for actors, but are still things which older generations are wary of. It’s like an exec who gets paid 10x the salary of a temp, but doesn’t know how to change a Word doc into a PDF. Focus on the value of what the younger generation has to offer instead of how they don’t follow your rules.
I work as a librarian and my biggest issues with Gen Z isn’t the kids themselves it’s their parents. I have parents calling me to try and get their kids a job, I have parents trying to sit in on interviews and I have parents calling me to try and get their kid’s schedule changed when it inconveniences them. Sigh. No wonder the kids end up feeling entitled and acting like they are doing an employer a favour just by showing up!
Beth: Aa a prof I’m their last chance at feeling capable & resilient. The outcome of ‘snowplow parenting’ is the kids don’t think they’re capable, and they are! I just keep high standards, flex where appropriate & give them clear feedback w the why to build their resilience. And they flourish!! But I’m hearing the same stories from employers as well. Perhaps I’m fortunate but I do find they do manage to thrive.
On The Guardian page:They’re really annoying, especially in the workplace,” Foster joked. “Aren’t people reading too
much into her words ?
A long time ago, she was the child, the teen on set. A period where seasoned actors and directors often used the famous saying ” nothing worse than working with animals and children”.
I just took it as a fun comment from someone now on the other side of the fence.
The whole interview shows she supports young and/or less experienced women. Nyad and True Detective are female lead projects, the latter directed by a mexican director. If her next interviews give a grounchy vibe, well it will be another story.
This is how I read it as well.
I have three Gen Z kids and so have been around a LOT of Gen Z-ers, and for the most part, they’re awesome. They are terrible spellers/grammarians, though. But I like that they recognize how inhumane our work lives are and are willing to question it. I try not to shut them down when they do so because I want things to change for them and future generations. The other day, my son went to school, worked four hours and then went to swim team practice. The next day, he said, “Yesterday was tough. I didn’t have any time to just live.” And he’s right — that makes for a hard day. We all need time to just live!
I can remember complaining to my mom about working long hours and her laughing and saying, “Welcome to adulthood!” And my women mentors throughout my career have always had that “I had to deal with worse, so you should suck it up” attitude.
I don’t want our kids to have to deal with what we had to deal with. I want things to be better for them. I’m glad they’re fighting for more/better — just wish they’d spellcheck more. 🙂
Thank you! Why do people always want next generation to suffer like they suffered? Don’t they want better for their kids?
Young people hear the same old talk when they start work, become parents etc.
New generations have their own challenges, maybe they are less obvious and don’t involve walking 5km to school everyday but cost of living is insane, most of them will have zero chance of having their own apartment or just achieving financial security and this is just some of their issues.
Well honestly, my priority as a parent was of course to raise good, kind human beings, but also independent, capable, and resilient people able to deal with hardship and adversity. That is what it takes to survive in tough times. I don’t think we as a country have the backbone to survive true hardship. We all sit and watch super heroes on screens but whine about minor inconveniences. Since I had a tough childhood, it was important to me to raise strong people. I HOPE they all have it better than previous generations, but life is neither fair nor always kind.
I feel like if these quotes were coming from one of Jodi’s male contemporaries, there’d be a collective, “Ok, Boomer”
I’m happy that Jodie Foster has returned to acting. I watched Nyad and I will watch True Detective because of her involvement.
I’ll cut her some slack. She started acting at age 3 and was heavily pushed into her acting career by her mother. She grew up in LA. Yeah – women can be complicated, imperfect and make decisions i might not understand. I appreciate that she has reached out to Bella Ramsey. I think she has a lot to offer young actors given her own experience as a child actor.
And sweet mercy she looks amazing.
Foster is a great actress, even in movies that aren’t so great. I really liked Nyad — thought it was because the acting was so good throughout. But just realized that it’s a Jimmy Chin and Elizabeth Chai Vasarhelyi project; those two have produced some awesome documentaries.
I disagree with Jodie’s gripes about Gen Z. I know plenty of folks of all ages who disrespect the time & energy of others & who habitually disregard responsibility to others.
My Gen Z high school granddaughter is on the track team, with a 4.7 GPA, and works 20 hours a week at 2 part time jobs with set hours. She does it for her savings account & more spending money than her allowance affords. Both parents work and wouldn’t have time to helicopter even if they were so inclined. Family income is far above average, with 3 cars & 2 homes so financial need is not an issue.
These criticisms of Gen Z shouldn’t be universal and can be applied to the other generations too.
There is a def Ok, Boomer attitude coming thru.
But part of the problem is not so much age, IMO, as the loss of Workplace Attitude.
This is your job. This is a workplace. Everyone here has to follow the rules, the work is why you are here.
Under staffing, under paying, burn out is causing real problems.
Health care and Teachers are my biggest concern.
The Corporations have got to share the profits.
And the workers have to follow the company policy.
How the hell is it all going to go in the future?
Surgeons “Not feeling it.” to get in on time for surgery?
As a 62 y/o, I can say I really do not like having to continue working to survive but “Back to the grind” is part of being an Adult.
But back to the grind doesn’t always have to be. And “the rules” have been shifted so much to favor working yourself to death just to stay afloat, that something has to give–and it is. People are leaving professions because that kind of life is unsustainable–and it’s past time this crap was questioned…and solved.
There’s this new McDonald’s commercial where they have two Gen Z girls talking about some new spicy chicken burger. It is the MOST annoying commercial I’ve ever seen.
Some “get off my lawn” energy in this interview. 😂
Do we placate to this generation.
If I as an employer was told I’m not feeling it today by a employee
My response would be “ If your not coming in today because your not feeling it . Don’t bother coming in tomorrow or the next because your fired “
Or is the problem that the contracts are not written correctly so this generation can be fired and reality and common sense can prevail.
This generation was not created by our parents they were created by our generation. We are responsible for this mess .
I think this represents a small portion of jobs. Most employers have set hours and attendance policies. It isn’t about placating, in my opinion. Employees are all hired to do a job regardless of their age. If someone needs a leave of absence or sick time, that person needs to know their rights. If I need a “mental health day”, it would be counted as sick. Employees need to know the standards. Everyone is replaceable but employers can be compassionate if an employee has a good track record.
Unrealistic expectations of the world and work happens to many youth. I certainly went through it and learned. You are paid to work. If you can’t do the job, someone else can be hired in your place. Most people I work with are very hard working. There are slackers of all ages.
I don’t see much difference between generations in my daily life (i.e. lazy people are everywhere), but I think she has the right to feel irritated if the spelling is bad. I’m a little surprised Gen Z would be bad at spelling since autocorrect helps us out on Word and on our phones. Unless she’s making that part up…
Shoot, I’m a very late boomer and I admire Gen X’s work/life balance attitude immensely. One major regret I have is how much time I spent killing myself at work to make it “perfect”–and meet impossible standards. That stuff sucks the years away amazingly fast. And it was dumb because the previous boomers got most of the good jobs and opportunities–I was knocking myself for almost no slices of the economic pie left. 🤬 And you eventually realize all the schedule-meeting and rushing about makes no real difference in the vast scheme of your life. You aren’t going to drop dead if you arrive fifteen minutes late for good reason. And why is it that billionaires are allowed to work under conditions that are best for good results–but the rest of us can’t?
I am a mom of two Gen Z kids who works in healthcare. Life costs money. People have to work hard. Being able to “not feel it today” is a privilege. Someone else is clearing footing the bill. My kids know they can’t have it both ways. Want nice things and experiences, work for it! Oh and yeah, most people struggle to put food on the table and a roof over their heads. Phoning it in only applies to people with privilege. Most people work to survive not for some fulfillment as the internet and blogs seem to suggest. Jodi Foster is generalizing but she has a point. The grind is real but my kids’ self esteem rose when they started making their own money.
People have complained about younger generations since antiquity.
She sounds obnoxious, here, and, combined with her support of the likes of Polanski and Mel Gibson… more obnoxious.
She is not wrong about Gen Z. They are VERY annoying in the workplace.
I think that this generalization of an entire generation is probably based on one or two experiences. Because that kind of behavior on set would not fly. Producing movies is too expensive for that.
I have friends who’ll complain loudly about gen Z, but it’s always based on very few experiences. I’ve been teaching for 15 years now. The kids are alright. They could read more and do a bit better when it comes to spelling, but they are not that different from other generations when it comes to behavior and work ethic.
Just thinking of all my gen z nieces and nephews and they are all very quiet, composed. Working in a junior high a couple years back I noticed the same thing. Quieter, more introverted then I remember junior high kids being in my gen -older millennial here. My gen alpha kids, 11 year old twins and a six year old are all louder and more extroverted. I notice this with their peers too. They’re all a little more intense, lol.
Jody “get off my lawn” Foster – another Boomer, like me, is so typical of our generation. Stop. Like many people I’ve worked with Gen Z people. They are extremely hardworking and diligent.