In 2021, the Duke and Duchess of Sussex named their newborn daughter Lilibet Diana. “Lilibet” was Queen Elizabeth II’s family nickname, and it was the name Prince Philip and Princess Margaret tended to call her privately. Prince Harry used the nickname as an homage to the grandmother he adored, and he specifically called QEII and told her about the name. I always had a theory about what happened next: QEII gave her general blessing for the name and then QEII simply didn’t tell her courtiers about it. When the announcement came out about Lili’s name, the courtiers then freaked out because THEY were not informed. The royal establishment then spent weeks throwing a tantrum about “how dare Harry and Meghan use the queen’s nickname!” It was insane. It’s still insane, especially since a new book is still trying to make it into the biggest scandal the monarchy ever faced.
Queen Elizabeth was infuriated by Harry and Meghan’s claim that she had given her blessing to their daughter being named Lilibet, a new book reveals. The illuminating revelation comes in the latest instalment of a fascinating new biography – Charles III: New King, New Court. The Inside Story, by the Mail’s writer Robert Hardman, currently being serialised exclusively in the Daily Mail.
In 2021, his and Meghan’s decision to call their new daughter Lilibet, who was born in California and has only once briefly been to the UK, raised eyebrows.
At the time the BBC reported it had been told by a palace source that the Queen was not asked by the Duke and Duchess as to whether they could use it. Other sources told media, including the Mail, that while the Queen was called by her grandson and his wife, she felt she wasn’t in a position to say no.
But a Sussexes’ spokesperson insisted they would not have used the name had the Queen not been ‘supportive’. They said at the time: ‘The duke spoke with his family in advance of the announcement – in fact his grandmother was the first family member he called. During that conversation, he shared their hope of naming their daughter Lilibet in her honour. Had she not been supportive, they would not have used the name.’ Strongly-worded legal letters were then sent out.
Hardman writes that some of the late monarch’s household were particularly ‘interested’ that amidst a wealth of private family information and criticism of staff members, Harry mysteriously ‘omitted’ the entire incident from his memoir, Spare.
The author says: ‘One privately recalled that Elizabeth II had been “as angry as I’d ever seen her” in 2021 after the Sussexes announced that she had given them her blessing to call their baby daughter “Lilibet”, the Queen’s childhood nickname.
‘The couple subsequently fired off warnings of legal action against anyone who dared to suggest otherwise, as the BBC had done. However, when the Sussexes tried to co-opt the Palace into propping up their version of events, they were rebuffed. Once again, it was a case of “recollections may vary” – the late Queen’s reaction to the Oprah Winfrey interview – as far as Her Majesty was concerned. Those noisy threats of legal action duly evaporated and the libel actions against the BBC never materialised.’
I assume Harry didn’t include the story in Spare because he didn’t want to reveal that particular private conversation with his grandmother. I also assume that Harry knew that his grandmother was in poor health and being “managed” by people who hated him and used QEII’s name to make his life hell. If QEII was truly “as angry as I’d ever seen her” about her great-granddaughter’s NAME, then QEII had lost the plot. It’s far more likely that QEII didn’t care either way and the people around her were storming around, screaming, crying and throwing up. Also: Harry’s lawyers sent legal threats not to intimidate his grandmother, but to put the courtiers in line so they wouldn’t blatantly lie about him or continue to claim that Harry had not spoken to his grandmother. After those legal notices were sent, those royal sources stopped saying that Harry had not consulted with his grandmother.
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This family is a s*it show.
I recall during that the time, a US morning television presenter saying something to the effect of, “in a normal family, naming one’s child after their grandparent is usually considered an honor.” The family who claimed not to be racist, are currently busy trying to wear that label with a badge of honor better than Princess “Pushee” Michael of Kent wears a blackamoor brooch.
Seriously folks, we’ve now sunk 20k leagues below sewage level with this family. What exactly is this story suppose to do for Charles or William’s image? Are they trying to improve theirs by making the dead queen look bad? Someone please convince me that inviting the media to attack a child is a good idea. But than again, the royal family and their media cohorts certainly aren’t bothered about a grown man sexually assaulting children.
I have to wonder, after H sees this new shitstorm about his baby daughter, something that has NEVER happened with any other royal minor; and seeing that his worthless no-good father remains silent, when the person who created the shitstorm is working on behalf of said father, chucky the TURD, can H ever again, in good conscience, continue make any overtures to chucky in this effort he apparently has embarked on to building a relationship with his father. Should this episode, not what the shitstirrer is doing but the silence of chucky, not make H say: enough is enough?
The purpose is to get this little girl shunned and outcast by the establishment so she will never be considered for marriage, friendship etc. by them. It’s a long game Lilibet & Charlotte will be the only blood princesses of their generation and they are planting the seeds to have Charlotte seen as the only princess; Lilibet is illegitimate and should be shunned.
They all named all their kids elizabeth somewhere in their kilometer-long names but this, was a slap in her face. Lilibet as a name is so cute. I’m surprised no one picked on on it before this.
That’s why they’re mad; nobody else thought of it.
I completely agree with you, Emmitt. This is what Kitty throws pillows about.
Heck, even Kate’s sister, Pippa Middleton, was allowed to name her daughter Elizabeth; yet the Queens grandson is being denied that privilege? I recall that awful Jeremy Vine talking about how confusing it was for Harry to name his daughter Lilibeth, after Bulliam named Charlotte “Elizabeth.” Like who’s going to confuse those two names? Not only that nobody calls Charlotte “Elizabeth.” Worst yet, bootlicker Vine never once told his audience that probably excluding Zara (or one of her daughters) every female born in that family, at least beginning with Anne, has been named “Elizabeth.”
@proud Mary Both Zara and her second daughter Lena have Elizabeth in their name. As does Peter’s daughter Isla and Beatrice’s daughter Sienna. I’m sure if and when has have a daughter they will as well.
Same with the naming in honor of Philip. Prince William, Lucas Tindall, August Brookbank all have the name.
People have named their puppies and kittens Lilibet and that’s never been a problem. Also variations of Elizabeth are everywhere . This is a new low , attacking a toddler a few years after she was named , and there’s no granny to say this is a lie .
They are a sh*t show. What kind of grandmother would be upset about her grandchild being named after her? The more I hear about this woman, the more she sounds like a heartless monster.
That would mean you believe the words of a Daily Mail writer. I don’t.
I think Queen Elizabeth was fine with the name.
In Spare Harry tells a story about Archie and Lilibet spending time with the Queen. Archie kept making sweeping bows and Liliibet clung to her great grandmother’s shins. Apparently the Queen was delighted with them.
@Cersi…it didn’t happen so don’t get your knickers in a twist about it. Did you read Spare? She was fine with the baby’s name, and welcomed her and the family for a visit. This is just more bullshit from a bullshit writer and a bullshit tabloid.
I agree. I didn’t know Queenie was such a petty woman. Now whenever her. Name or face pops up I will think of her with revulsion
I am sick of all these people going hysterical about something Harry has meant to have done. The King should comment and say the Queen was quite happy with the name. If he doesn’t then people will think the information comes from him or William. But I think they love seeing Harry destroyed in the press. The British press are becoming an embarrassment here and abroad
Yes let’s distract with Harry and Meghan’s almost 3 year old baby name about a dead queen because we all need to forget that Petty King Charlot still supports his pedo human traficker brother Andrew, still pays his security and has not evicted him from his 20 room lodge.
Last year they said the Queen was confused and hard of hearing so didn’t know what Harry asked. Now, the Queen was so mad she was practically throwing furniture over a baby’s name. There are MANY different versions of this sorry. Just like the ‘Meghan made Kate cry’ story. It’s all BS.
Just tonight there’s yet another article with Sykes at Daily Beast following up on this baby name story and digging in on it. They’re really stirring this up, this is some kind of insanely foul muck coming from the royals. QE2 is dead and Lillibet isn’t even 3 years old – even IF the version of the naming that they’re telling is true, what responsible adult would stoop that low to mention it, let alone allow it to be published? Lilibet is an innocent TODDLER and she’s QE2’s legitimate bloodline. Stirring up this story and trying to make a global controversy of it shows hateful and utter disregard for a baby, which is incredibly disturbing, and utter disrespect for the queen’s actual bloodline, which the baby belongs to.
This shitshow is not a family.
RICH, WHITE AND DYSFUNCTIONAL 🙄🙄🙄
And those asses question why H&M won’t show pics of their children. This is why – because they are evilly intentioned sadistic liars who want to hurt Harry & his family.
The daily fail is evil putting Lily photo accompanying the story of the alleged nasty quote by the queen.
The juxtaposition between U.K. & Denmark in the media today is so glaring.
Did the Fail planned it this way? They couldn’t have?
On the day they brought Queen EII back to center stage of Royal news they have made her look unfavorable against Queen Margrethe in the headlines.
From Denmark, you have a Queen who seemed to have made a selfless decision for country and family. She is present, celebrating the transition to the next generation, making the moment joyful. There are no courtiers or royal sources briefing negatively from Christiansborg Palace.
Meanwhile, from the U.K., they have unfortunately turned a sweet honor and feel good moment that showed the grandmother side of the Queen into hate & anger filled. Why? And the stream of royal briefings and sources flows nonstop.
If the book is about King Charles first year of reign, why bring up something from his mother’s reign?
Time for a change to Marcellus line – “something is fresh and positive in the state of Denmark”
First, the UK has probably three times as many “courtiers” than they need, especially since these people seem to have so much time on their hands to gossip.
Second, it is clear that in her later years, and maybe even earlier, that the Queen was controlled by these evil, position-grabbing employees. Remember the comment Harry made about checking on the people around her??
Third, all you have to do is read about such courtiers and the plots that they hatched around past kings and queens to know that they never were there to aid or benefit the ruler.
@Chill, exactly! And it’s just a distraction from what’s going on with Andrew who’s name was mentioned 73 different times in the Epstein documents. Why do they always have to go after the Sussex’s? This is why, To Distract! Lilibet is a toddler, who has no voice, they should be ashamed. Plus No Grandmother in the world would actually be upset about a grandchild being named after her! This story is such bullshit! The British Tabloid media is nothing but toilet paper, it’s only good for wiping your ass, nothing else! And the British Royal Family, Charles, Camilla, William, Kate and Andrew are all gutter garbage, worse then the tabloids.
Oh please! Harry loved his grandmother. He absolutely called and specifically asked about using the name Lilibet! These a$$holes need to find something else to lie about!
It is all a load of bull!
Harry was the apple of the Queen’s eye. They are all jealous.
What the heck is wrong with people? The Queen is dead and they are talking about a child’s name. They are making up anger in a combustible world.
And all of a sudden perhaps their biggest scandal. Andrew. Is swept under a rug to complain about what a couple call their child. Harry and Meghan did ask the queens permission.
💯 These stories about the Queen “getting upset” about whatever Harry and Meghan do are really getting old.
but they will continue to be trotted out because they need to distract from Andrew and from the Wars of the Waleses part deux (with each other and BP).
Elizabeth isn’t around to say boo about it. Like a number of people I suspect it’s really the wasp et. al. who is upset.
And it shows you just how desperate they are – if they’re bringing up an untruth from 3 years ago and trying to put a new spin on it, they’re really dragging the bottom of the barrel.
Yes the Queen is dead for over a year so let’s bring up some nonsense that she can’t refute.
Andrew’s in the news again for all his horrible crimes, so of course it’s time to frantically rehash stories about a baby’s name from years ago. DISTRACT, DISTRACT!
Yeah, I’m wondering what they’ll come up with on the next doc dump. This came out with the puppet and the payoff testimony in 2016. More is going to come out about Andrew, so what’s left for the media to run with? TBH, if I were in Montecito, I’d lock up because they’re going to need something for those stories and recent pictures might be all that’s left.
I truly do believe now that the press are doing this on purpose and are trying to get rid of the monarchy because this has become flailing desperation at this point. Everyone knows the distraction tactics at this point and using the Queen to attack a couple and their child, not to mention distract from Andrew is not WORKING. I’m so glad the Sussexes left and the children are safe and away from that environment.
It is working for a bunch of royalist weirdos that prefer slandering the Queen than think for 2 seconds. Go to the reddit called Saintmeghanmarkle and see the bottom of the world….truly despairing.
@CC730, that subreddit is infamous in most gossip subreddits. People who don’t even care about H&M think that the people in there are crazy. So, you shouldn’t take those people’s opinion seriously and I don’t recommend anyone to read that page. They are basically a hate group full with people believing any batsh*t conspiracy about Meghan.
Why are you advertising for a hate channel here on this site?
Well Charles spent 4 million on internet/media last year according to his budget 😮😮 I wonder who he’s paying 😮😮
I do not advertise for them. I’m saying that those stories aren’t for destroying the brf but for distraction from Paedo Prince and is taken seriously by some. As Swaz said, KFC is spending a lot on PR and it’s working.
The problem with that Reddit is that it permeates all the rest of the internet because those insane persons on it then spread their insanity everywhere including in some of the republican (the uk one) pages… It’s worse than you believe and should not be taken lightly.
As a UK republican, I can’t imagine any republicans caring about royal drama about who named their child what. We just want them gone, we don’t care about any of this. Andrew is horrendous but we don’t want them gone because they are bad people, we want them gone because the system itself is undemocratic.
Yet Innie, on the republican pages particularly on Reddit but on others too, Harry (while completely non using taxpayers money) is still attacked more than William and called delusional, attention seeker… and sometimes you have people that explain that Charles is more protective of Paedo because they, at least, share blood….
If true, there’s only one reason the Queen and the courtiers were infuriated.
And we all know why.
Agreed. I truly hope this isn’t true. Harry loved his grandmother and I would hope anyone would see that naming his daughter after her is an honor. This family is awful.
Not only awful but stupid… because – why would they think that this makes the Queen and to some extent the family look good?
Whenever I think that they can’t go any lower and continue to show themselves to be clueless about optics, they prove me wrong.
Indeed.
I don’t think it’s true, not for one minute. Why would Charlotte Elizabeth Diana be OK and not Lilibet Diana? It’s asinine. And how could THIS be the thing that made her madder than anything else ever? Not Philip cheating on her? Not Chuckie cheating on Diana? Not Andrew being a client of Epstein’s? THIS??
Shame on all involved, the idiot who wrote the book, the idiots at DM publishing experts, the idiot who wrote the DM article. A pox on all their houses!
You forgot that idiot KFC who worked (either directly or indirectly) with the idiot author on this book and that sycophantic BBC documentary.
The person who wrote the book is a royal boot licker.
Imagine being this upset over a name. I just cannot. It’s not like they snatched it from another pregnant couple – they were honoring a family member, a thing that is traditional in many cultures, and in particular, the BaRF! How many times have we heard where each of their names were pulled from?
They are upset, I think, for two reasons: (1) Harry and Meghan are very innovative and creative they took a supposedly throw-away name that no one wanted, and made it huge; (2) probably excluding Zara, every single female born in that family, has been named Elizabeth, including the York girls. Even Pippa’s daughter; but it’s only Harry, who has been denied that “privilege”. Being the racist they are, William and Charles want Harry’s lineage erased. But naming Harry’s daughter after the monarch, makes it difficult. I still have my suspicion that Archie was denied a traditional royal name as well. I recall, during Meghan’s pregnancy, the press reporting that at certain public events, Charles joked about her baby being named after boy band members. But I do love that name for Archie, though.
If it is true that they forbade Harry and Meghan to give Archie a more traditional name, these people are truly disgusting. I can’t begin to express in words how disgusting this is. They were planning vile things for this family. To know, based on the information shared in the Oprah interview, the RF were actively scheming to denying titles & the accompanying security to Harry & Meghan’s son who the RF knew was a target for harm, just makes me grateful Harry & his family left.
“I still have my suspicion that Archie was denied a traditional royal name as well.”
I don’t think this is true @Proud Mary. Harry talked about getting permission to marry and how uncomfortable it was for him. If there was some process about names, I am sure he would mention that. If I remember correctly, Meghan talked about how much she liked to read Archie comics in one of Archetypes episodes. So, I think that Meghan just likes that name. Maybe, Meghan chose Archie’s name and Harry chose Lilibet’s name. That’s more plausible to me.
I swear I remember Meghan telling someone, maybe at the IG, that they had a hard time picking Archie’s name, that they couldn’t decide whether the first name be Archie or Harrison, which I think ended up being his middle name. If there were other ideas they had idk.
If the story about Meghan liking Archie comics is true, it’s hilarious they have an Archie and a Betty (Lilibet).
I don’t think he was named after a comic character. Cary grants real name was Archie leach. As an inside joke he would talk about an Archie leach character in his films including his girl Friday. Nice to have the same first name that cary grant had
It’s all the courtiers. Because of Harry they are losing their power to control the family. And the press. And no matter what they do Harry won’t heel. And that means more and more people aren’t listening to them anymore. Meaning they lose even more power. And I honestly doubt if these people are capable of getting jobs in any other field. So they are getting more and more desperate. And them still trying to control the family is only making people question why they still have a monarchy.
Agreed. this is not about the queen, or lilibet, or harry. 100% it’s all the men in grey. They love to use the cabal media to punish, praise or whip their playthings into action. Folks seem to think the queen or charles have any say. No…..they are the puppets and the former M15 and former military who hold the courtier positions are the puppet masters. i say, take down the men in grey, and strip it all away. a real investigator would do a deep dive into their cruelty and manipulations. harry saw through this and did not want to be played any longer.
This is definitely the work of the courtiers.
H told us in Spare about the Bee (Edward Young, betty’s private sec’y): the Fly (Simon Case, bully’s right hand man); and the Wasp (Clive Alderton (chucky’s brain.)
H said these “middle-aged white men” had consolidated power “through a series of bold Machiavellian manoeuvres”. He described them as “usurpers,” saying: “Deep down, I feared that each man felt himself to be the One True Monarch, that each was taking advantage of a Queen in her nineties, enjoying his influential position while merely appearing to serve.”
Seems to me it is crystal clear that if anyone had it in for H, hellbent on destroying him such that they would collaborate with their combolo in the shitmedia and sully betty’s name with impunity, all in pursuit of trying to destroy H, it would be these 3 biitches.
@Kingston thank you for reminding us of Harry’s words. He, who was closer to this than all of us, would know for sure how morally corrupt and spiteful they were.
Agree. This is all a bunch of nonsense created by nefarious individuals who seem to have no problem throwing the QE2 under the bus now that she’s dead. H&M would not have named Lili-Lilibet without his beloved Gan’s permission. They would have simply gone with Lily/Lili Diana.
Doria’s nickname for Meghan is Flower. This fits with the theme and also honoring QE2.
It’s laughable that all of sudden (again) RR’s are like, “Harry lied based on DM writer’s book that his source, Ferris Bueller’s cousins brother who is dating someone that knows someone that pinky swears QE2 was the angriest she’s ever been about H&M naming their daughter Lilibet.”. Because nothing else, made her more angry?lol Still remember the BM being angry that Lilibet was born 2 days before they knew. Love that!
I have never understood this. People don’t OWN names, especially first names. You have to spend big bucks to trademark anything and unless you’ve done so for a name, you’re tilting at windmills to think you can control its use. What a waste of time and energy, and what foolishness to think you’ve a reason to be upset.
Do they really think that this paints QE in a good light as a grandmother? Her dad named a HORSE Lilibet, but she objects to a great-grandchild using the name? It’s like the stupid use of the word “royal”, the BRF doesn’t own the name or the word “royal”. Are they wishing to make it appear that QE was as racist as Chuck and Katy? And they all love to quote that stupid “recollections may vary” crap, but forget QE put out a statement claiming that H&M were still “beloved members of the family.” And we
are supposed to believe that H&M who agreed to not use the word “royal”, went against QE’s wishes and named their child after her? I hope PH has recorded conversations with her that prove permission.
And QE, a woman who likely got her own way much of her life and said no many times, felt she couldn’t say no to this? She supposedly said no to names that Andrew and Fergie wanted to use. If she would say no to her beloved Andrew, I’m sure she would to H&M.
Out of curiosity, do we know which names she rejected from Andrew and Fergie?
She supposedly rejected Annabel for being “too yuppy”. That’s the only one I can find on-line.
@Equality, that is what makes no sense to me. If the Queen felt she couldn’t say no then what did she say? Nothing? Yes? That the Queen lacks communication skills and is dishonest with her grandson does not mean that Harry and Meghan did not have her permission to name their daughter Lilibet. So, the Queen agrees to their naming her Lilibet – because she can’t say no – and yet makes a huge stink about it after the fact? With her ire, essentially, targeting a baby? I don’t care what anyone else thinks. This is just further confirmation to me that the queen was a total b****. And, to those who think that it is just the Firm and Rota that caused the stink, the Queen would have been well aware at the time of Lilibet’s naming of the ensuing fiasco in the press about the Sussexes not having her permission. She could have put a stop to it then but she did not. Instead, she let it fester and we now have this. The press continuing to bash a little girl, by way of her parents, for her name.
@May — this latest broadside against the Sussexes is nothing more than using a dead monarch as a scapegoat. No the Queen wasn’t a total bitch, yes she gave her blessing to Lilibet Diana, and don’t forget she was in very frail health at the time and the courtiers were surrounding her like a flock of vultures. Harry mentioned in Spare that he was very worried about her and kept in constant touch with her to make sure “the wrong people weren’t around her”. She had no control over the the lies the bottom-feeding media were spreading; let’s not forget that’s the purview of Charles and William, so it was undoubtedly THEIR idea to get the public’s feathers ruffled over absolutely nothing, which they’re doing again to distract from the kompromat on Andrew being exposed by the latest batch of Epstein papers.
@equality – right? People seem to forget that this is the woman who stopped her own sister from getting married. If she didn’t want them to use the name, she would’ve said so.
For what it’s worth, “Annabel” was also the name of a well known private nightclub in London that Andrew and Fergie would absolutely have known about. I’ve never heard whether they met there or partied there, but the queen may have thought the association with a famous nightclub was kind of a tacky name for a baby. It would be like an American naming their firstborn “Maralago” – your first thought is not about the merits of the name itself.
@jaded, as the Queen remained in contact with Harry and Meghan, she would have been aware of the furor in the press over the naming of their daughter (which I think stemmed from the queen and Angela Kelly). The Queen was still intermittently active at this point. All the Queen had to do, if she was not angry about Lilibet being named after her, was make a side comment to someone, at an engagement, walk about, weekly meeting with the prime minister, one of the shoots she continued to host, etc., that she thought that it was sweet that the Sussexes used her childhood nickname for their daughter. She did not
@May, you don’t know what the QE knew and what she didn’t. Do you think H&M would read her the tabloid headlines and asked for correction in their limited communication time? As Harry showed in Spare, in her later years Charles and his gray men were in control, not QE. All we know, she decided to use the rest of her power to protect his own son and left Harry to Charles.
@equality: Annabel was the name of a restaurant or bar frequented by Sloan Rangers.
@May, I’m not sure if the queen would have been able to say anything or not. The courtiers prevented her from meeting with Harry and Meghan when they got back from Canada. And they had to sneak in a visit with her behind the courtiers back when they came over to Invictus in The Hague. I think we have no idea what they were doing to control the queen, but evidently Harry did which is why he made that public comment that went around the world about being worried about her and the people around her.
@msiam, I might have believed that had the Queen been more supportive of the Sussexes when more possessed of her faculties. Instead, it was leaked around the time of the Sussexes’ wedding that the Queen did not understand why Meghan would wear white or a veil to her wedding. Or, if she hadn’t allowed her cousin, the party planner, to make b***** comments about the reception plans mere days before the wedding. Or, if she had allowed Harry’s wreath to be laid, or, if she had denounced the likening of the newborn Archie to a chimp,etc, etc.
The Queen sure as heck was able enough, even in her infirmity, to make very visible signs of support for her son, Andrew. How do you square those shows of support for Andrew with her lack of support for the Sussexes? We will just have to agree to disagree about whether or not the Queen was a total b****.
@May, I agree 💯🎯🎯🎯 At any point, QE2 could have stopped the abuse…with one public word. But even when her newborn great grandson was being mocked in the media as a chimp, she kept that stiff upper lip. We all remember. Not one mumbling word in his defense did she make.
No one will ever convince me that Betty was happy and comfortable to have Meghan join the Firm. But the queen knew how bad saying no would look on the world stage, and she was definitely fond of Harry.
I think Betty – like Charles and other family members – was hoping Meghan would eventually leave Harry, sooner rather than later. I bet they were all hoping a breakup would happen before children were conceived.
@beverley, 💯, as you said, the Queen could have “stopped the abuse.” Instead she CHOSE to not support the Sussexes and their biracial children.
@may, I can’t speak to the queen’s frame of mind, but either way, at the end of the day, like you said, this story and the whole tabloid framing is absurd. We’re supposed to believe that the queen was unable to tell the Sussexes no, don’t name her lilibet. That the queen was too passive to voice her opinion. Well, that’s a really weak queen then. And after saying nothing, later let it leak that she wasn’t happy about this little girl’s name. What a terrible person to be that manipulative. Hardman, in telling this story, has characterized the queen as exactly that. The Sussexes literally did nothing wrong here. All this story does is show a weak queen and a cold grandmother. If the story didn’t happen like this, there should be some other aides or sources to the queen that could set this strait. Either way, Charles’ book is doing the queen dirty.
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@jais This book about KFC doing QEII “dirty” is like that other book about him written by Penny Junor (Charles: Victim or Villain) that did Diana “dirty”. Coincidentally, J’s book was published a year after D’s death. KFC has form trashing women after their death.
The Queen always relied on the men in grey, and increasingly so as she grew older, they are the ones who wielded the power not her and not even Charles.
@equality I did not know that her dad named a HORSE Lilibet. That about sums up the idiocy here. And all this brouhaha over what an unnamed “aide” said. Not any attribution, just a blank someone. The real story here is that it was most likely William hitting the roof over this name. I bet even if he thought of using it, he would have decided his daughter was too royal to bear a nickname as an official name; it’s yet another thing Harry could do because he was the spare that William couldn’t because he was the heir–boohoo.
@Harper, agree, along with the courtiers-Edward Young et al.,. William seething over everything that QE2 gave permission to Harry to do really chaps his pegging ass. And, in case some people forget, QE2 did a solo event with Meghan a month after H&M’s wedding on the royal train. Before Kate EVER did a solo event with the QE2.
That had to of hurt some people feelings. Love that for them.
I follow horse racing. There have been a number of thoroughbreds & Quarter horses named Lilibet in one form or another over the past 2 plus decades. If one is curious, look at equibase.com. Search Lilibet and Ms. Lilibet. Crickets when it comes to horses. Fury when it comes to a biracial great granddaughter.
Horse manure that QE2 was angry.
I posted something earlier that the internets ate up. Re: race horses
Equibase dot com. Over the last three? decades there have been racehorses named Lilibet. There is a current thoroughbred from Kentucky named Ms. Lilibet.
Where is the outrage from the BM? I guess the outrage only applies to a biracial granddaughter.
What about Lady Sinkie in her new 14 million dollar chicken coop.
Can you elucidate?
“Lady Sinkie” is one of their rescue chickens. They adopted her from Ellen DeGeneres after she was bullied by the rest of her flock.
I thought Kate is credited by the media for recollections may vary. I believe a courtier made it up and credited it to the queen. The queen has passed on and can’t confirm or deny the anger at naming the child lilibet. The child was only in the country once because granddad Charles evicted the Sussex family nor bothered to visit his youngest grandchildren in the USA. It bothers me that this petty nonsense is written and Lily will read this when she grows up.
Well, we also know that the BM/British government acted like Covid wasn’t a thing.
Truly, why does a “private family” have to ask and receive official permission from some old fossil on a medieval throne about what to name their child? I believe Harry’s version of events. He called and said that they would like to honor her – his beloved grandmother, not the Queen – and she was fine with it. Had they wanted to honor her as the Queen, they would have used Elizabeth Diana. These folks really don’t understand that Harry and Meghan can do what they want without asking permission from anyone unless they just want to.
This just reminds me of that one piece talking about how in the twilight years of her reign, her courtiers (and William and Charles) had so thoroughly taken over that when articles and media said that “The Queen” was infuriated about this or that, it was really those around her who were acting as “The Queen.” Someone may remember the specific article, podcast, whatever where this came from better than me. And once again, if this was for some reason true, that Elizabeth was furious about this and not that she has to pay $12 million to settle Andrew’s lawsuit, then yup that family had lost the plot (and based on this article talking about a non story from 2 years ago) they may never find it lol. Or Andrew is trying to deflect. Either way all three options are horrible choices.
Harry corrected a lot of stories in Spare, so they are trying to make the ones he didn’t talk about happen. But, it won’t hit the same like previous ones since H&M don’t live there and Brits have an election to worry about. Also, we have seen the letter where the Queen was asking for security for H&M, it is clear that she wasn’t the one who would be angry about something like that.
He did address this in Spare; I’ll wager it’s in the 400 held back pages in the original version. What really happened we won’t know, but I suspect he didn’t have the receipts to back it up and editor felt it left him open to legal action.
Well, the queen is in no position to contradict anyone at this point. But she did invite Harry’s whole family to visit her during the jubilee so her rage must have cooled considerably. It makes no sense that of all the things she lived through (ahem! Her heir’s messy marriage!), having a great-granddaughter given her charming nickname would have sent her into a meltdown.
Why do I have a feeling it was Edward Young who had a meltdown? You know the guy who’s already lied at least once about the printer not working at the sandringham summit. If the queen truly had a problem with it, she could’ve told the Sussexes but she didn’t. So either she didn’t care and there’s well-placed sources lying on her or she did and is fairly coming across as a petty Grnadmother.
It’s him, and maybe the lord chamberlain and all the other stuffy old men who attend weekly meetings and turn up their noses at the unknighted ones who dare challenge them.
It absolutely is Edward Young. The guy who prevented Harry from seeing his gran at the last minute, the guy he refers to as “The Bee” in Spare. The guy who refused to take Harry’s request to reimburse the Met for RPO security to the board of Ravec upon which he sits. He has always had it in for Harry and Meghan starting with deliberately ignoring their request to assign a protocol aide to her to help her navigate the arcane rules and regulations of the BRF.
It might be Y but let’s not minimise KFC’s role in approving the publishing of this claim. Hardman worked with KFC and/or his authorised anonymous sources so if Y is behind this claim then so is KFC.
Not even a week (or is it 2?) since the Epstein files dropped with Andrew’s name all over them. Of course there’s someone out there smearing a 3-year-old. This family and their courtiers (handlers?) is allergic to optics.
If the Queen was even half as angry about her grandson naming his daughter after her as an honor, she is one big, fat, hairy AH. The family and the press don’t make Harry or Meghan look bad in naming their daughter after her, they make the Queen look unhinged for being angry about this.
I guarantee you that if Lilibet had not, in some way, been named to honor the Queen, the rota would have made a huge stink about what an affront it was for the Sussexes to have refused to honor his frail beloved granny
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It was only a matter of time until they pulled this particular storyline out of their magician hat to generate fake outrage. It would have been the same if they had called their daughter Diana with William screaming, crying and throwing up that the name was HIS to use.
I can’t believe this is being rehashed again. This is a CHILD they are talking about, a CHILD who didn’t ask to be born related to QE2 – who is her very own person, with an endearing name with family history. Imagine knowing there are articles out there where people claim one’s great-grandmother was so angry that you were given her name. That’s a HORRIBLE thing to hang on a child — even *if * the queen was sundowning and had a moment about it. These people and their books – and the tabs that repeat them – all are hot summer garbage. Just cruel.
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Agreed. They are so shortsighted, it astounds me. This doesn’t make Harry or Meghan look bad, but it completely shits on the dead queen.
I think these folks are just mad that Will and Kate didn’t think of the idea for their daughter. If they had come up with it, they would have been excessively praised for having thought of such a clever and sweet tribute.
I have no doubt they are literally enraged that they didn’t think of that name for their daughter.
It’s important to remember that this book is supposed to be about Charles’s ascension to throne and his first year as King. But it’s clear that this book was written in response to Harry’s book. Where are the screams that the Queen’s privacy is being invade and that private conversations are being aired to the public? The anger towards Harry from the press and the Palace is due to the fact that they can no longer control him. I don’t know what the author was doing by rehashing this story but all it has done is make the Queen look bad, deeply racist and extremely insular. To think that she was more angry about her great-granddaughter being named after her than she was that Andrew was cut up in paedophile ring is terrible.
It’s also important to note that Robert Hardman has been writing for the Daily Mail for the last 22 years.
He also produced the BBC documentary on the coronation that was aired last month. He’s very close to the Palace and Charles and Camilla.
Ahhhh, now it makes sense.
I don’t believe this at all. The family and courtiers were probably mad but I don’t think the Queen was. If she was they wouldn’t have named her that. The media, courtiers and family absolutely want to taint everything. These are straight up rotten people.
Believe me, if Kate had thought of it and named her daughter Lilibet, the tabloids would be fawning all over calling it a sweet nod to the queen.
I realize that the BRF has some seriously f–ked up dynamics, but unless the grandparent is an extreme narcissist, no, raging over their (nick)name being appropriated for their great-grandchild is just…not a thing. I’ve known a couple of friends whose mothers/fathers-in-law got pissed because they chose NOT to use a family name for their child, but this is bullshit. And on the off-chance that she really did jealously guard her nickname and resented its use by her beloved grandson, it would totally contradict decades worth of hagiography claiming that QEII was oh-so-humble and modest.
Exactly.
I would have gone with Lily.
Getting kind of desperate for items tho to bang on about, no?
Bigger problems in the world.
It’s Lili and that’s what she goes by.
Unlike her father, -whose name is Henry& nickname is Harry and is always known as Harry- Lili is always called Lilibet in the press and by most people.
@Marie: You’re mistaken. The press calls her Lilibet. Harry and Meghan as they said in their announcement of her birth, call her Lili.
@Amy Bee- I’m not mistaken, I know her parents call her Lili. However, most people call her Lilibet. Their friend Misan called her Lilibet when he released her picture on her first birthday. Even in Harry’s personal profile, she is always called Princess Lilibet (and not Princess Lili). For example, when Harry was appointed as a member of the Board for African Parks or when it was announced last week that he will receive an award as a ‘Living Legend of Aviation’, it was stated that he resides in California with his wife, Meghan, and children, Prince Archie and Princess Lilibet. She is widely known as Princess Lilibet or Lilibet to the world more than Lili. Harry is very rarely called Henry while Lili is always called Lilibet, even most fans call her Lilibet.
I don’t think it matters and let’s not saddle this little girl with the stupidity of the Kate / Catherine nonsense.
So the queen was the “maddest I’ve ever seen her” over a child’s name, a name meant to honor Her, but she was totally at peace with Andrew’s actions, with Charles’ infidelity, with Fergie selling access?? None of these made her as steaming mad as her grandson naming his daughter after her?? #AbolishTheMonarchy and put us out of these people’s misery!
This is on par with the worst moment of Kate’s life being the walkabout with Meghan after QEII died. Get some perspective, you utter assholes.
Yep, 💯
The key part of that is the “I’ve ever seen her.” Who is I? How many years had “I” worked for her? How many hours did “I” spend in her presence?
BS – this is but hurt courtiers making this up as IIRC Harry asked QE2 about it during a private call and she was fine with it, it was also reported at the time by the same rota rats she was touched by it.
Sh!t stirring!
I don’t believe The Queen ever showed any emotions like fury, anger or upset to anyone around her…so no, I don’t buy this. It’s more likely that her staff members were the ones who were angry because, like everything with Harry and Meghan, the name caught them off guard and they couldn’t help but brief against them.
Another day ending in y, and a member of that family is/was very angry about a trivial matter. Somebody get them a Groupon for anger management therapy damn.
Good luck trying to convince people they’re “very much not a racist family.” They’re really going out of their way to make Betty be seen a petty racist who was irate that her innocent biracial great-granddaughter was named after her. Alright then.
If they want me to believe they are petty, sniveling bigots, they’ve hit the jackpot!
I’ll always associate vapid, rampant racism and hatred towards biracial toddlers with the House of Windsor.
Let’s call this what it is, “project exploit people’s affection for QE2 to distract that we are a bunch of racists harboring a pedophile wanted by the FBI “.
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I cannot imagine the queen cared. But they’re swearing she did which makes her out to seem terrible. Like what did the Sussexes do wrong? The Sussexes told the queen they wanted to name the baby lilibet. She didn’t object. The Sussexes aren’t mind readers so if she did have a problem with it and said nothing, then how the hell are they supposed to know? The baby’s born. The Sussexes tell the world her name. And then the queen leaks that she angrier than she’s ever been that they used a name that she never told them that they couldn’t use. And then the baby’s first few weeks in the world are full of people in the UK crying about how dare this baby have this name. Cool cool cool
Sorry, didn’t see your post before I posted essentially the same above. If the Queen said that she felt she couldn’t say No, then how can they lay this on the Sussexes and little Lilibet?
Just responded to your post above @May. We are of the same mind. I’m willing to believe the queen’s mind was not what it was. If however it did go down as hardman is describing, then it makes the queen look terrible. You made a good point about her ability to defend Andrew though. Why not defend Lilibet? Idk, I’d like to think it was the evil courtiers like Edward Young bc Harry loved his grandmother.
It’s madness but hopefully this is a reminder that the British have NO PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE AIRING FAMILY LAUNDRY unless it’s Harry. If the Queen reacted to this baby name thing with “anger” does anyone seriously think she would have wanted that publicised? She didn’t leak this kind of stuff? You cannot even argue she was entitled to retaliate or ‘tell her side’ here. Why is nobody bothered by the disrespect of reporting this in the first place? It’s so obviously about the institutional response with the Mail injecting its own bitter swipes about ‘lawyer’s letters’, rather than QE2’s genuine candid thoughts and feelings. The Press do not respect this family, they use them. As another commenter has noted the book is supposed to be about the Charles becoming King – what has this story about an episode between the Queen and Harry about a year prior have to do with that?!?
The joke is that the child is not really called Lillibet she is called “Lilli”. Meghan decided on “Lily” and Harry said “Oh you know what, that sounds like Granny’s nickname ‘Lillibet’. We could call her ‘Lillibet’ for Granny but I promise we will never actually call her that” Surely people don’t really think they are that super into the name “Lillibet”? The birth announcement makes it clear that ‘Lilli” is the name they actually use. They actually put that in there from day 1 “Lillibet ‘Lilli” Diana” they told us. Their girl is only called “Lillibet’ *because* they thought it would make her great-grandmother happy and show her how much her grandson loved her. The Sussexes decided to turn coincidence into a cute tribute but I bet they could’ve taken it or left it. The confected outrage over this is demented.
It’s not like the name makes her first in line or entitled to a yearly stipend or something? It is in my opinion a pretty horrible name and the fact that hardly anyone is called it suggest that many agree with me. I’m no fan of the late Queen but I’m convinced she wouldn’t have been bothered by something so trivial and I don’t believe she would have been angry.
AND OF COURSE QUEEN ELIZABETH II DID NOT HAVE EXCLUSIVE CONTROL OF THE NAME “LILLIBET” AS SHE DID NOT HAVE OF THE WORDS “ROYAL” OR “SERVICE” EITHER.
As I recall, Harry is the one who wanted “Lily” as a name for his daughter. Meghan probably chose Archie’s name and Harry got to choose Lili’s name.
The name is a done deal. They cant force the parents to rename that child. It could be upsetting to the child later in life. This is a totally gratuitous nasty story that should never have come up.again.
Isn’t this an excerpt from a book about Charles, yet the main story is some vindictive hit piece attacking a baby’s name. What a total sh*t show this monarchy is. They can’t let go of the Sussexes and continue to harass a s attack them.
The first excerpt that came out on Saturday was about Harry too. Apparently, Charles tried to call him to tell him that the Queen had died but he couldn’t reach him. So Harry lied that Charles didn’t call to tell him. If we go by what was written in this book, Charles’ timeline doesn’t add up.
We don’t even have to go by Spare. These stupid mo’fuckers gleefully briefed this bs, and had it reported in their fave tabloids because they wanted everyone to know they were shunning Harry.
@TheWigletOfWails: So true. So far, the book is just a rehash of everything the courtiers briefed to the press.
Well it has worked, everyone is talking about this rather than Andy.
They threw a few doozies and this one stuck.
Anyway, I wonder what is coming out about Andrew later this week, the faux overly generated outrage indicates it will be significant.
You may be right Flower. I’m sure there are a legion of women who were abused by Andrew mulling over their options to come forward. And I’d like to hear confirmation that Virginia Giuffre is writing a memoir. That would surely get Andrew sweating and the BM crowing from the rooftops.
I think after Lilibet’s birth the queen was furious but it was about the press being briefed that she didn’t give permission. They are taking that reaction and originally applied it to the naming itself and are now applying it to the statement the Sussexes put out in response to the no permission story. The quote is presented without context and they do not directly deny Harry’s version of his conversation with his grandmother. It is clear that the courtiers were furious that the queen maintained a close relationship with Harry and that they had no info to leak to the press about Lilibet. They were constantly trying to response the queen against Harry and Meghan while she was alive. They are trying that tact again. But it’s already backfiring because it’s just petty and nasty to target a child.
I suspect this is closer to the real situation. This book/article is suggesting QEII’s anger was TOWARDS the Sussexes rather than anger ON BEHALF of herself and the Sussexes in being smeared and her dismay that the courtiers and Charles were putting words in her mouth in the press and slandered the Sussexes over what should have been a joyful story so publicly Harry got lawyers involved.
So now they are useing the late Queen as a broom!! Because that’s all this is, a tacky little lieing broom brushing the sht that is Andrew under the Royal rug. NO the Queen wasn’t angry about Harry calling his daughter LILLIBET. Go back and look, because as a very young man, Harry told his grandmother that if ever he was lucky enough to get married and have a daughter, that is exactly what he would like to call her and she said “that would be lovely”. It was when either fergie had eugenie or one of the other Royals maybe Sophie had a daughter. This is in THE MAIL, just like the pissant who wrote it, WORKS FOR THE MAIL. The only two people who were angry about this were wank and skank, because they hadn’t thought to use it! Plus imagine the incandescence from both of them when Megan gave birth to a blue eyed blond sooooo many screams, soooooo many pillows 😂😂😂 Final point it was the Queen herself who first used the name LILLIBET, when she was tiny she couldn’t pronounce Elizabeth and always said lillbet and it stuck.
I bet you 1 penny the writer of this book despite the outrage he is generating will not equal book sales close to Harry’s Book.He only has 1 leg of the tripod, and that is outrage. It’s a book about Charles that shows his mother in a bad light. lol where he should have leaned into the best bits of betty that he wants to emulate and carry on, he decided Dumpster diving was the best course of action
Absolutely. I remember when the Jobson book about Charles came out and everyone expected it to outsell Spare. Yeah, good luck with that. I don’t think it even was a bestseller for longer than a week (if that). The people who read the Daily Fail and believe it aren’t the type of people who are going to shell out money for a book.
You could add up ALL the books written by the “hate for hire” liars who have written books about Harry & Meghan, and, even added together, they have not sold as many books as Harry has. This latest book won’t sell either. It will sell just enough copies for every public library in England.
And that is what really pisses them off. They are nothing but little mutant fish in the little, toxic cesspool that is England now.
This seems like total projection – the courtiers were probably furious, and we all know why using the queen’s nickname for this particular child upset them. We can’t know how QEII really felt about it, but I think the fact that she met Lili in person probably indicates she was eager to meet Harry’s children. Unlike the other Windsors, who mostly took every opportunity they had to try to snub A BABY to punish Harry and Meghan, and ended up looking like the racist a-holes they are.
it’s an attempt to generate sales for a book, that’s dead in the water, by using Elizabeth and the Sussexes in whatever way they can. Noone wants to buy a book about Charles.
I don’t have total recall and don’t have a book copy to check but this is what is supposedly in Spare according to Bard: “I’d mentioned to Granny that we were thinking of Lilibet for her first name. She said she thought it was lovely. Adored it. I hadn’t expected so much enthusiasm, hadn’t realized that for so long this name had been out in the cold. I mentioned the obvious: that her great-granddaughter would also share Meg’s middle name. To which she replied: All the more special.” So how did PH omit it from his book? What gaslighters Brit “journalists” are.
First we have to set the stage for this so-called royal biography: it is commissioned by The Daily Fail, written by a Daily Fail hack in response to Prince Harry’s memoir Spare, and to reinstate their formerly told numerous lies about H&M, which Harry debunked in his memoir, legally or elsewhere. And it was probable sanctioned by the royals.
I strongly believe that this particular story, told in at least five versions now by third parties, comes from some of the Queen’s jealous grandchildren (who got kids in recent years), but definitely from camp William. William is furious that he didn’t got permission from the queen, or didn’t come up with the idea of asking her to use her nickname to name his own daughter.
Prince Harry has already addressed the matter, even legally, so no need for anybody not directly involved in this private name-giving matter, to have any opinions about how parents come to name their kid.
By the way: that name, Lilibet(h), is an old Jewish name, it’s not patented whatsoever. That would be ridiculous.
The members of the household staff may have overly dramatized the Queen’s reaction. Remember everything around the RF is drama, drama, drama. The Queen was already very sick then and the least of her concern was why her great granddaughter uses her name. The truly real ones who are angry with Meghan and Harry for using the Queen’s nickname are William, Kate and those British rota rats. William and Kate are livid because Harry beat them to it. Up to now these rats and this book author still cannot move on and still pester and smear the Sussexes day in and day out.
Is there no one within the circle of the royal family who can sit any of them down and kindly and gently explain that a story like this makes the late Queen look very bad. And that it would actually be a better look for them if one of them (Charles or William) spoke up and denied that the Queen was a hate filled racist harridan in the closing years of her life.
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I don’t think kind & gentle is the way to go, but rather short & sweet (or blunt): you’re being *ssholes, stop it!
Trying to besmirch a legacy.
Knowing how Elizabeth and Philip doted on the grandkids by all accounts, I doubt Elizabeth was angered by the name.
British media are downright vultures.
Elizabeth surrounded herself with her grandchildren and great grandchildren regularly. I do not believe she was angry about the name. I do believe sadistic Chuck started separating her from her family as she was dying. I believe Liz would have wanted to say goodbye to her family and instead, Chuck made sure she died alone, especially with no chance to say goodbye to the grandson she clearly loved, and his wife, whom she obviously liked.
Chuck made sure no one could get to her in time. Anne was with her as she died, but I think that’s just because Chuck couldn’t make her leave her mother’s side. As soon as he made sure no one could get there, he even left her side, and went outside and played in the woods, waiting for the mother he resented to die. It was his revenge for what he perceived as her coldness to him.
And immediately taking her gift to Harry & Meghan, Frogmore Cottage, away right after she died was punishment to Harry for being more loved by Liz than he was, and for being more loved by the people than he will ever be.
I find it ironic that Harry says he is worried about his brother’s children (whom in reality no one ever attacks them and they have the support of the government, the institution and the public). At the same time, his own children are being attacked, slandered and hated every day. Lili will turn 3 this June and they keep repeating the same story. I think Lili when she grows up and reads all these articles, she will hate her name and her evil great-grandmother.
As they get older those children will wonder many things like why grandpa Charles never bothers with them. Charles is too egocentric to care about his youngest grandchildren. He could have issued a statement saying he is delighted.lily was named after the queen
And a word from him would have kept this story out of the book.
Because Harry escaped the cage with his wife and children. Right now, the press’s eye on Harry because they are trying to discredit him with all his upcoming lawsuits against them. When Will’s children grow up, the press will get themselves new targets. That’s what Harry is trying to stop. They are already trying to create a new Harry from the youngest. British press can attack Harry’s children to hurt him, but their reach is small and American people who will be around these children don’t read these tabloids daily like Brits do.
Better to know how the Royal Family feels about her when she’s young than to grow up believing that she could ever have a relationship with them in the future. I hope Harry is honest with her and Archie when they are old enough to ask questions about that racist family.
Eh, you’re assuming she’s going to read these articles. She’s got Harry & Meghan for parents, they’ll guide her in a manner that suits them, which may well include abstaining from reading tabloids & SM articles about yourself.
We are in the age of social media, and there will surely come a day when Lili will read all these articles about her. They have been attacking her since she was born. I have never witnessed a child of celebrities or public figures being attacked and defamed like Lili. When Lili searches for her name out of curiosity, she will see all these articles and stories. Also, the issue here is not only about articles or social media, but also let us not forget that she cannot even visit her father’s country safely. She needs security throughout her life, which her parents now pay for her and her brother, and after many years she will have to pay for it herself. Harry should only care and worry about his children, not his brother’s three spoiled children who have lifelong security and are always over-praised in the media and social media.
To attack a child and use a dead person to do it is just hideous-this past week-Harry was attacked for receiving an award-Meghan was attacked and told to shut up-baby Lilibet is being attacked for her naming-the pattern here is to say something provacative to get a reaction out of their readers and make the Sussexes say of do something to respond to it-This I know Harry truly loved his mother and after her death the only mother figure he had was his grandmother whom he loved dearly-He respected these two women so much he wanted to honor them by naming his daughter after them-since his granny was alive you better believe he talked to her about his choice of names-I believe the queen cared one way or the other-these attacks are meant to knock Andrew off the pages-I want to know how the queen felt paying all that money to a woman Andy said he never met-the garbage tabloids in the UK are just that garbage-the Uk media is making a bad mistake making attacks on this young family-thinking people see it for what it is-resentment, undercurrent of racism, and smearing to cause harm to the couple and their children-If the royals have any goodness in their heart they need to speak out about these attacks especially against a child who is innocent-keep poking the Sussexes to protect Randy Andy from public critisim-If they try to harm a small child you can guess what they did to Harry’s mother.
Twitter is showing protesters with signs demanding a statement about Andrew from the king. These stories about harry and Meghan are obvious distractions
I will bet everything I own that Meg and Harry have receipts that QEII approved the name. They wouldn’t leave that uncovered.
1- Drama and meltdown when the name Lilibet was announced.
2- They did not add her to the line of succession until a month and 22 days after her birth (and after hundreds of articles about it).
3- They leaked to the press that no one in that family wanted to attend Lili’s first birthday party and they were soo happy to ignore a one-year-old.
4- They leaked to the press that Elizabeth refused to take a photo with Lilibet.
5- Charles did not want to recognize her as a princess until her parents announced her title.
It seems that the Windsor family and the British media have a special hatred for this little girl.
She will grow up to be far greater than any of them
@marie, 💯
@Lioness, lol how the hell do you know what Queen wanted? Harry said he got permission. Are you saying he lied?
This is just sad and says a ton about the state of the grasping, desperate “royals.”
Lilibet will be just fine. She has two sane parents, an adoring big brother, a loving grandmother, and all the fresh eggs she can gather.
PS If there’s an afterlife, I hope QE II is haunting everyone who had a part in speaking for her after she wasn’t here to do it for herself in real time.
So QEll was infuriated that her grandson named his daughter in her honor but was okay with writing a check for millions of dollars to a woman that accused Andrew of SA. Keeping in mind that Andrew says he never met said woman before Make it make sense ☹️
Did the queen call you and tell you this? You people just make a lot of horsepoo up. You literally don’t know these family better than people who are actual members of the family.
BS. It was her nickname BEFORE Phil and her cousins used it AFTER his death. TRY AGAIN. Statement from King Harald V of Norway when Phil died: “On behalf of the Norwegian royal family, I want to express my deepest condolences to Queen Elizabeth, known to us as ‘Lilibet,’ and her family at the passing of His Royal Highness The Duke of Edinburgh.”
My take on it which i expressed in posts here while she was still alive… QE2 was in her mid 90s and likely suffering some early form of dementia or at the very least a lot of “senior moments” the last couple years of her life. We all saw the sudden deterioration of her appearance and manner of dress and how she often appeared dazed and said inappropriate things at public appearances. Prob couldnt hear well, and if the published suggestions are correct, was dying of cancer and thus likely on heavy narcotic painkillers, too. Lastly, i personally notice that the more elderly some people get, they more susceptible they are to the influence of those around them, both from desire to avoid conflict but also to being too trusting.
So all of that being said, it could easily both be the case that GanGan nodded and agreed to Harry on the zoom screen telling her the name, and also that she months later got upset and angry about the name after people around her got her riled up about it. Maybe she never heard what Harry said. Or maybe she did and forgot. Or maybe she did and later felt differently for whatever reason. Whatever the case, it is H & M’s child, they have the right to name her whatever the F they want, and it is typically cruelty of the royal family and the press sycophants to keep recycling the manufactured outrage that will ultimately only accomplish one thing, hurting Lili when she is old enough to Google herself.
Or they are just lying? Like they lied before about Queen not being informed about H&M stepping down and we learned that Queen knew months before.
I think you’re splitting hairs. I’ve no doubt she was delighted at their choice of names — everything else is just spin from the bitter courtiers, Charles and William who continue to feed this load of crap to the gutter press to deflect from the latest Kompromat on Andrew. It’s an old story, one that doesn’t need to be resurrected simply because the Queen is dead and can’t defend herself. How low does that family have to go to actually use her as a scapegoat to divert attention from the son who raped numerous trafficked teenagers….SMH.
The Queen is dead – whatever happened is over – and all that is left now is adult professional people bullying a baby. It’s so pathetic. I do wonder how the dead Queen would feel about Charles deciding to take back all the houses she gave to people.
Imagine being a palace courtier — a grown-ass white man who has nothing more important to do than to throw a hissy fit over a baby’s name, and being so warped by racism that you can’t see how bad a look this is.
Lioness, how do you know this? I’m sure you’re talking about a direct quote from her own mouth and not some ‘palace source’, right?
Let’s see if I have this right. QE2’s father named a horse Lilibet and that’s just fine. Harry names his daughter Lilibet and that’s horrible. What PA has done is negligible according to everything coming out of the brf and bm and not worth talking/writing about and is covered up by the brf and the bm by this article, the completely unhinged way they talked about Harry getting an award from a CHARITY. A charity for God’s sake. And, anything else they can think of so that no one will look at PA as the serial rapist of trafficked girls that he is.
I think it truly it is possible that the bm is wanting to take the Monarchy down. They don’t care what the global community will think of any of this.
The FBI needs to remind PA that they want to question him. I’m tired of the brf thinking that they can protect PA and not have anyone speak for the victims.
Anything to distract the public from the family pedo still sucking on the royal teat. #sad
Queen Elizabeth and Harry had a loving relationship always. I don’t believe this story at all. Just like I don’t believe Queen Elizabeth gave Shitty Charles permission to call his horse Kween Consort. The whole family is utterly foul and beyond redemption.
the courtiers sure do know how to trigger people and raise hype for this dumb book, and seems like most people fall for it like bees to nectar.
RoyalBlue, except they’ve already done this. Harry sent legal letters. That’s the end. This isn’t going to get more people to buy his book. I suspect that Twitter will be full of the fact that Harry covered this is Spare, so that doesn’t leave them anywhere to go.
I believe the bigger issue is that they are using this to distract from PA being a serial rapist of trafficked girls. That’s what should be trending.
@Saucy&Sassy Ok, agreed, no one is buying the book, but it has now created the latest buzz, and has served well to distract people from discussing the Monarch’s acceptance of the man who loved to go on sleepovers and play with puppets. It’s like… oooh look a squirrel! We need to learn to be one step ahead of the manipulative media and try to think… how are they trying to make me feel, how are they expecting me to react when they release BS stories. They are using the public to generate more buzz about it. It’s like advertising. We see tons of ads on social media and don’t ask ourselves, do I really need that, or are they just suggesting I get it because they know my browsing history. lol.
Which reminds me…. are the royals off their Christmas break as yet? God knows the rest of the world got back to working in 2024 but KMART and WALMART once again show their laziness. this angry Queen nonsense probably serves as a good distraction from that.
RoyalBlue, interesting, but I can’t remember if I’ve seen them or not. They obviously leave a lasting impression on me! If I had to guess, I’d say they’re still on break.
The British Royal Family needs to file suit and force Harry and Meghan to change the name of the child. If the courts rule Harry & Meghan had no right to use that name, then Harry & Meghan need to legally change the girl’s name. If the BRF can’t legally force them to change the little girl’s name, they need to charge it to the game and move on.
LOL, you’re obviously joking. Even if the Queen wasn’t happy about it, which is extremely dubious considering she and Harry were very close, they cannot force the Sussexes to change their child’s name. So they can cope and seethe. This is manufactured nonsense and clickbait. And its already backfired, considering Twitter/X has been lit with negative commentary from both sides of the pond about this silliness and redirecting the focus to Prince Andrew – where it should be.
What????
Re: EMMITT , exactly. Actually, Harry should preempt the lawsuit to avoid further besmirching of his “beloved Grandmother’s name” come out and say, as Mr. Book writer has given me new insight to my grandmother’s feelings. I will respect his and the wishes of the royal sources by remove the name from my daughter . I thank Mr. Whatever the writer’s name for calling my attention to this failure on my part.
Give them a week to celebrate their win and how they got one over. Let them write all the headlines,
Then, create their new instagram account and first post is announcing the new first name of our sweet daughter – who will now go by her middle name, Diana. And until my brother succeeds in removing my Duke title, she will be known as Princess Diana of Sussex. I have changed my last name to my maternal family name and once titles are removed, she will be Lady Diana Spencer 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
LOL! You guys are on fire!
Brilliant!
Since this story is included in a book about King Charles, we know who was furious about the name and it wasn’t the late Queen. It was Charles throwing a hissy fit.
Agreed!
If this was true, I doubt Meghan would have allowed Lilibet anywhere near her.
That is not true.
My, you must be so very close to the royal family to have inside information like that. No, respect is using a beloved grandparent’s name for a grandchild. Go back to the Fail.
What will they think of next? I’m waiting for the chicken meltdown 😉
If they really wanted to make the queen angry, they would have named the baby “Wallis.”
Seriously, there were lots of people who used “Lilibet” when talking about the queen. Her mother-in-law Princess Alice would refer to the Philibets in her correspondence when she talked to others about the activities of Philip and Elizabeth. Even King Felipe of Spain sent a condolence letter after Philip’s death where he opened with “Dear Aunt Lilibet…”
Why do they think this is a good look for them? Putting out stupid stories like this won’t distract from all the crap that’s going to hit the fan thanks to the rapist in their midst. I hope this BS becomes Harry’s last straw.
BS.
LMFAO and of course you were tightly tucked up betty’s arse and heard it all, right?
Just saw this tweet:
“Seems to me the brf and its sycophants should #worryaboutcharlotte who is surrounded by perverts and sexual deviants, beginning with her grandfather the pedo-enabler & her uncle the pedophile & of course we all hear the whispers about her father’s sexual shenanigans.”
As the saying goes: when you go to dig a grave for your enemy, dig 2.
I agree. As I Posted on another thread, will Kkkate have “the talk” with Charlotte to warn her about staying safe from pervy male relatives? Or will she train her how to attract them?
Complete bullshit.
I’m so mad about all the crap the shit royals do just had to comment. They are all intellectually challenged to put it diplomatically.
I vaguely remember a story about Harry seeming to like the name Lily when he asked a mother whose child was named Lily how she spelled it. Recognizing that Lili is the first syllable of his grandmother’s name was original and clever, and by naming his daughter Lilibet but using only the first syllable as her name was really killing two birds with one stone (sorry to use such a violent analogy)- giving his daughter her own name and honouring his beloved grandmother at the same time. Almost every girl among Elizabeth II’s grandchildren and great-grandchildren has her name somewhere, but no one thought of using her nickname which was apparently used by members of the family, relatives, and other royals. I thought at the time, that at least a couple of people were jealous that they didn’t think of it themselves. Why is this ridiculous story being recirculated now? How unfortunate that no one on that island can see how petty and absurd this makes them all appear. The birth announcement stated that Lilibet would be called Lili just like Henry’s parents said he would be called Harry. A bunch petty and cruel people do not want an innocent little girl to have a name that was given to her by her parents. Think about the vacuousness of this outrage.
Using a dead woman to beef against a baby because you are big mad her parents are thriving. I don’t know what’s beneath hell , but it’s definitely not far enough for where these sickening heartless trash buckets will end up.
They’re pandering to their racist base again. The royal family and their paid shills/sycophants know what kind of people support them, and that drives the narrative. Such a deplorable “family.”
Lordy, @Lioness, you’re back again to spread more hate? How boring you are.
The British royal family and their Rota rats are just despicable and desperate. So much jealousy about Harry and Meghan. The constant briefing against them. Compare to the Danish royal family today. Enough said!
Will the British people ever get tired of this manipulative media shitshow is the real question here!! Your tax dollars at work.
Although I agree that this was a courtier-induced tantrum, the late queen was a useless human being, who could have protected her grandson but chose not to.
She was and is unworthy of the honor that H&M have bestowed upon her.
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omg the dailym*il headline is insane : ‘the only thing I own is my name. And now they’ve taken that’
if this is true then wow. this whole family is so rotten and deserves the worst
Wow – I took a look – what a horrid headline. Unbelievable. They’re just making up anything and of course she can’t defend herself. I wonder if Harry will do something legally about this – or provide evidence to the contrary – or just let it go.
About QE? The only thing she owned was her name? And, of course, all the stuff grifted, gifted and stolen from the commoners and foreigners.
yes the whole quote is even more out of touch and outright lies:
“In fact, I understand the Queen was so upset by the Sussexes’ decision that she told aides: ‘I don’t own the palaces, I don’t own the paintings, the only thing I own is my name. And now they’ve taken that.'”
The Queen owned Balmoral and Sandringham and was mistress of a huge private fortune. She owned a her racing stable and breeding business. What a ridiculous comment to attribute to the Queen.
Why would the queen complain about people taking her name when many of her relatives have elizabeth as a middle name including princess anne. And the queen was named after her mother also called elizabeth
The entire U.K. shut down when she died, for something like 10 days. “The only thing I own is my name”? GTFO.
lol. What drama queens the tabloids are. QE owned multiple offshore accounts to hide her wealth.
She owned Balmoral and Sandringham, shitloads of racehorses and hundreds of millions in investments. What a joke.
Isn’t Windsor Castle also privately held by the Monarch? She also has a vast collection of jewels, both private and those held by the monarchy in the Royal collection, along with the very valuable items held in the Royal Collection, such as antique furniture and paintings.
As the monarch QEII “owned” unparalleled privilege: queen’s consent and sovereign immunity. Her sense of self pity and entitlement is truly breathtaking but not unbelievable if you’ve seen the video of her churlishly interacting with Annie Leibovitz during a photo shoot. She could be a right witch!
“The only thing I own is my name” and a gold piano, and castles, and palaces, and crowns, and all of the British seabed, and all of the swans and dolphins and whales and sturgeon in the land…
So @Lioness, let me get this straight.
A horse can be named after the late queen, no problem.
But to name a royal child (who has a Black grandmother) after her paternal great grandmother is not “respectful”?
Yeah, I see you.
I don’t believe it, but even if she was “angrier than anyone had ever seen” that would speak volumes about her:
Angrier than when her son befriended international sex traffickers and brought them into the palace inner circle?
Angrier than when Charles insisted on keeping his awful mistress who made Diana’s life hell and had their illicit phone call published in the press?
Angrier than when Anne got busted banging one of her bodyguards?
Angrier than when Margaret got busted for cheating on her husband and became the first royal to divorce since Henry VIII?
Angrier than when Phillip cheated on her for years with her own damn cousin Alexandra??
I think Philip’s alleged affair with Alexandra was not the same Alexandra as Elizabeth’s cousin Princess Elizabeth of Kent.
Nope @tamsin. The alleged affair was with the Queen’s cousin Alexandra. She was/is? beautiful. I’ve had the theory that Penny Knatchbull wasn’t Philip’s lover/mistress, instead his daughter with the Queen’s cousin. Penny seems like a pretty good person. No factual info to base it on other than Penny looks like a perfect combination of Philip & Alexandra, along with the absence of photos of Penny’s parents. Jawlines, noses, eye shape, etc.,. From what I tried to find. Penny has a more regal bearing than most royals. Much like Madame Duchess.
It was definitely her cousin Alexandra. The media have said little about it out of respect for the Queen. It was a long affair. Philip’s will is secret. Alexandra and Penny sat together at Philip’s funeral and he dictated who should be present.
Snowdon rampantly cheated on Margaret. He had one or two love children. Margaret cheated as well of course.
Just saw this article on Page Six. I scrolled through all 430 comments and they were all negative and nasty. Haters keep spreading hate.😢😢
Was her father respectful when he named a HORSE Lilibet?
When the palace is briefing against a baby in order to protect Andrew… they are scraping the barrel.
Lilibet is cute when you’re young but not so much when you’re sixty. Eliza, Beth, Bethany or Lizbeth are more growtn up.
I think she’s known as Lili, that’s lovely at any age.
I don’t believe for one moment that what’s being stated in this book is what The Queen actually thought…. It’s highly likely she’d have been thrilled at Harry’s little girl being called Lilibet, to be known as Lili.
Most of all, don’t let this pull H&M’s strings
GDubslady, what’s wrong with Lili? That’s what they call her, and I imagine she will continue to be called Lili.
What people forget is that it’s a HUGE world out there. The name Lilibet is not a name that is reserved for the British or the British royal family. There are countries where Lilibet is fairly common. The brf and the bm really need to get past their xenophobia and look above the battlements every once in a while.
I think what’s happening here is 1) Harry’s case against the tabloids, something is coming in January-February but I forget what; 2) Harry’s aviation award, which obviously got William’s back up and 3) need for distraction from Andrew, stirred liberally with courtiers who want to get revenge for Spare. They’re seriously trolling Harry with this nonsense and I hope he doesn’t take the bait….
I sincerely hope Harry and Meghan reserve their energies for the court cases and for their upcoming positive exciting activities in 2024. Onward and upward!
Such desperation , so much hate , Elizabeth loved Harry and displayed it often .
The disgusting person who wrote this book hopefully has karma coming to him .
Enough is enough , hope all the hate inside these people burns big holes in their guts .
The author goes on about the queen being angry at Harry and Meghan and she us no longer around to refute it. It is the same as after Diana died with writers saying she gave Charles and Camilla her blessing and fake quotes
Elizabeth is useless and would do nothing to refute the story even if she were alive today! There were the same defamatory articles against Lilibet in 2021 and Elizabeth did nothing to defend her great-granddaughter.
She should have spoken publicly that she was delighted with her great granddaughter lilibet .
If the queen left diaries and letters including letters that she approved of the name and the sussexes will the king and courtiers destroy them
The queen was immersed in the scandals of Andrew and paying damages for that law suit. I doubt the queen was happy with that situation. Andrew betrayed the queens trust.
There seems to be a short memory. In 2021 the Daily Nail reported the Queen was delighted and excited about the bid by the Sussexes. And now we are to be outraged?
This is so sad how the Sussexes are used to generate interest in the RF. Is Chris Jenner their PR consultant?
I wish Harry would change his name to Spencer, renounce this shit show of a family, and tell them all to go to hell.
YES!!!
Let’s be real. All of the royals would have preferred Prince Harry’s wife was white, including the Queen. They are all racist as far as who marries into that family. And the fact that Harry, who was never going to be king, married a biracial woman, and lived in LA, thought she would consider it an honor shows how naive he was about his grandmother. She was probably worried about how dark the newborn was when he first told her what they wanted to name their little girl. God forbid a child with darker skin would have her beloved nickname. She had enough class not to say no, but I could believe behind the scenes she wasn’t over the moon about it, though I highly doubt she was “very angry.” I hate to be so cynical about it, but I bet she was relieved to see that Lily was fair-skinned.
Harry is naive and always makes excuses for his family. But to this day I still don’t understand how Meghan agreed on this name. Even if the Queen treated her with respect as a courtesy in her presence, that family is evil and it has been clear since day one that they are always going to attack her and her child (ren). Even she said in the Oprah interview that she begged for security for Harry but not for herself or Archie because she know they don’t care about them.
Totally agree
Tomorrow’s daily mail has more about this . Stating the royal courtiers are having a party about it. I thought it was a book about Charles. My hubby who has no interest in the royal drama; says Charles is a disgrace as a father and grandfather. Harry’s well out of it.
The fact that this is still a thing, years later, just highlights how much the Queen failed to protect Harry. It was a catastrophic failure on her part, even worse than her staunch support of Andrew. She didn’t deserve the adulation and respect she received, but that’s just the perks of status and power.
Anyway, I hope he sues—and wins.
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PS-Harry stated in his book that during the Jubilee the queen got to visit with Harry, Meghan, Archie, and Lilibet-if she was so angry no way in hell would she visit with them alone-this is a big nothing burger to deflect for Andy-they better hope a photo won.t come out that some cop says he has or someone else said I read about last week-that young man is angry how Harry portrayed him in the book-the empire strikes back so to speak-I will never have respect or synpathy for people who smear an innocent child or a person who is dead and can’t speak for themselves-this book is not about Charles this a smear canpaign against the Sussex family-they write these so called books and hide in the UK to keep from being questioned-if there was law passed to have all sources listed by name so they can be questioned would alleviate a lot of bullshit of he said and she said-any receipts on this matter would clear the air-I don.t writers who alledge something with no proof to simply smeat someone-I don’t give a damn how she was named I will show love kindness to those children always-the shitstains in the UK media and royal family can kiss my ass. I hope they realize this makes the queen look like a evil sinister person trying to hurt a baby.
Charles is a bad grandfather
The rubbish book also plays up the great so called love story of c and c to appeal to Charles while trashing Charles grandchild.
Can’t find it now, but one of the articles about this naming said that Harry had messed up his daughter’s chances of ever getting married because supposedly the King would never grant her permission!!! First, Lilibet and Archie have dual citizenship, and Lilibet was born in the United States. And, I cannot imagine her or Archie, ever asking anyone in the royal family for permission to get married when she is an adult–so-called royal tradition or not.
Any other considerations aside, the requirement is the first six in the line of succession have to ask the monarch’s permission to get married (Professor Robert Hazell mentions this towards the end of the first episode of the H&M documentary). Lili is seventh, so it doesn’t apply to her in any case. It would theoretically affect Archie, who is currently sixth, but who would get knocked further down out of sixth, once George, say, had a child.
The bots and derangers on the dm comments go on about how Andrew supported his mother and then the usual blather about how virginia was 17 which is not underage and in the next sentence slam harry and Meghan for being mean to the queen by naming the child lilibet. Something really messed up about the attitudes.
This is distraction from the furor over Andrew and his crimes
I re read the last few chapters of Spare today .
It broke my heart again .
That is one big rotten family , evil to the core .
I just hope the day will come where they get their karma full on and vicious so they never recover from it .
I think Harry owes it to his children to publish Part 2 of Spare. Why continue to protect these evil lying “family” members and their reptilian “courtiers” from the consequences of their racist and hateful behavior. Gods knows they will NEVER extend even the most minimal care and consideration to Harry, Meghan, Archie or Lilibet.
This story is to drive attention to a book written by someone who writes for Daily Mail. The book is, of course, being promoted by DM and they are serializing it. It’s all about the clicks. People want to know more, but what’s new to tell? Young et al thought they were controlling the Queen and this was a conversation they missed so with the obligation to supply stories to the RR they came up with this one. Distasteful especially when in later years Lili made get to read them.
The late Queen was ?furious? about the naming of Lilibet by Harry and Meghan according to what a Palace source told Robert Hardman in the new Charles biography. Of course the Queen isn?t around now to contradict that is she? And a tabloid a couple of days ago following Hardman?s so-called revelation, stated that Palace aides were ?rejoicing? at the media throwing more mud at the Sussexes because of the Hardman revelation.
Funny then, that Gyles Brandreth, who actually knew Pr Philip and the Queen very well and was an intimate friend of the royal couple, wrote in Nov 2022 in his bio on Queen Elizabeth (written no doubt while Elizabeth was still alive and could have contradicted him) that the Queen regarded the naming as ?the compliment it was intended to be rather than the opposite?.
Screen shot by Scobie of Brandreth?s published words in his book.
https://twitter.com/scobie/status/1747164917646741604?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet