Royal biographer Ingrid Seward has a new book out called My Mother And I, which is not about C-Word’s own relationship with her mother. The “my” in this case is C-Word assuming King Charles’s voice, and the book is supposedly a description of Charles and QEII’s relationship. Why then are the first excerpts all about the Duke and Duchess of Sussex? Wait, don’t tell me, I know. Much like Robert Hardman’s recent royal biography, it looks like King Charles’s court is full of busy little bees, dropping all kinds of revisionist history to royal biographers these days. Hardman’s book led to a weeks-long mess where Hardman had to rollback his bizarre claims that QEII was incandescent with rage over her great-granddaughter’s name (Princess Lilibet). Will C-Word have to roll back claims that Prince Philip hated Meghan on-sight and that QEII was judgmental about Meghan’s wedding gown?
From their very first meeting, over tea at Buckingham Palace, the Queen approved of Meghan Markle. Not only did she like her, she had high hopes for what the American actress might be able to achieve with Harry for the youth of the Commonwealth. Soon the country as a whole seemed to take to Meghan with equally genuine delight. One of the few wary of succumbing to her charm offensive, however, was Prince Philip. While the Queen continued to champion Harry’s new love, he warned his wife to be cautious. It was uncanny, he told her, how much Meghan reminded him of the Duchess of Windsor.
He wasn’t simply referring to the fact that both were pencil-slim, dark-haired and glamorous American divorcees. There was a wealth of subtext in his barbed remark. As one who had lived through this tumultuous period of royal history, and been directly affected by it, Queen Elizabeth II was perfectly aware what Philip meant when he drew parallels between Meghan and Wallis. Indeed, much later, she would remark in her clipped way that perhaps Harry had been ‘too in love’ with the American actress.
As for Prince Philip, he never appeared to change his mind about Meghan. From the moment he detected her apparent similarity to Wallis, he referred to her as DoW (short for Duchess of Windsor).
Queen Elizabeth II never voiced her true opinion about Harry’s wife except to her very closest confidantes, such as Lady Elizabeth Anson, or Liza as she was known to her friends. A cousin of the Queen, she used to speak on the telephone to the monarch on a daily basis. Lady Elizabeth told me that the Queen had made only one remark to her about Meghan and Harry’s wedding, which was that the bride’s Givenchy wedding gown was ‘too white’. In the monarch’s view, it was not appropriate for a divorcee getting remarried in church to look quite so flamboyantly virginal.
Nor was the Queen comfortable with the Prince of Wales’s decision to stand in for Meghan’s father, Thomas Markle, and walk her down the aisle. She was also concerned about 96-year-old Prince Philip’s decision to hobble down the aisle without a stick, despite having had a hip replacement just five weeks before.
Then there was the service itself. Like many others in the congregation, she was startled by the impassioned outpourings of the American Archbishop Michael Curry, who spoke for more than 14 minutes. Both the Queen and Prince Philip, who hate long sermons, were desperate for him to finish. They must also have been aware that some of those around them were stifling their laughter. One can only speculate about what they thought when Curry, who admitted he didn’t know either Harry or Meghan, later said he’d felt the presence of the slaves from whom he was descended in the chapel, which he felt to be a ‘sign of hope’.
[From The Daily Mail]
This is most likely going to end up just like Robert Hardman’s Lilibet claims – a week of outrage, a week of “of course Philip was brilliant for hating a Black woman as soon as he saw her,” a week of “it was just awful for Harry and Meghan to invite a Black archbishop to church,” a week of “how dare Meghan wear white at her wedding,” and then C-Word will start rolling back all of these claims. You know why? Because King Charles’s biographers keep making QEII and Philip look horrible. The aim is to wound Harry and Meghan, to insult them, to belittle them, but they don’t have any ammo other than “Harry’s beloved grandparents hated his wife!!”
Also: the old-guard royalists have been trying to make “Meghan is the new Wallis Simpson” for almost eight years. They’ve yet to come up with one compelling reason why Meghan and Wallis are in any way alike (other than they’re both American and have dark hair, which was apparently enough for Philip). Anyway, I believed Meghan when she said she was cool with QEII and Philip. Philip was largely absent from family and palace life at that point, so Meghan probably only met him a handful of times anyway. And let’s be honest, Philip was in no condition to suddenly decide to beef with Harry’s bride.
Remember that stupid story about the Rolls Royce used by Doria and Meghan for H&M’s wedding? It transported Wallis Simpson at one point. There were absolutely people within the palace trying to force the Wallis connection, but I seriously doubt Philip was one of them.
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These People really want to wear their racism as a brilliant badge of honor…until the rest of the world reacts with shock and disdain.
Dear hardman,
Change your name to bullyman. It fits you well. Wallis is white American and Meg is black American. W was wealthy from childhood while M is selfmade. W had connections to aristocracy but M have connection with higly talented. W wasn’t popular before marriage but M is.
But wallis is the previous life of waity. Both are westeria type social climbers. They brag about their connection to royalty and aristocracy. Both call them selves from wealthy family (but who knows the truth). Both were stalker who manipulated an heir to throne. Both weren’t accepted by senior royals (QEII accused her lazyness and jobless days to avoid her). Both have cruel smiles. Both are lazy and wild party animals. Both are sshameless to show off their privates and extra skin to other men. Both were spoilt from school days. Both are brainless and charisma free. Both are fake and manipulative…………….
Oh the list is took big to type here. We are not ready to wast our time on this shit bullyman. We are employed and we don’t have nannies or helpers. So ask waity how much she resembles W.
Literally,
Everone
Oh God, there’s so much wrong with this rank drivel from Angry Sewer. SMH! 🙄 🤦♀️
In regard to Bishop Curry (Note: Curry is not an archbishop), it was in fact, Archbishop Justin Welby, who invited Bishop Curry to give the wedding address at H&M’s royal wedding. H&M had specifically asked Welby to marry them and to give the address, rather than the Dean of St. George’s Chapel, who ordinarily would have done so as the presiding minister of that church. H&M agreed to Welby’s inspired invitation to Curry, which I believe Welby somehow thought made sense due to Curry being a black minister and head of the Episcopal Church of America (which has historical origins and communion with the Church of England). I think Welby had taken note of Bad Dad having been raised Episcopalian. Still, that was a bit of a stretch in association since Meghan grew up Protestant. Her maternal grandfather was a Baptist minister.
It has been said that QE-II expected H&M to marry at Westminster Abbey, but okayed their wish for a smaller wedding in Windsor. Regarding Philip. Let the dead rest in peace!
This isn’t really in reply to you, its just to say that CNN just announced that King Charles has cancer
Sara, I don’t really know anything about prostate cancern, but will he have another surgery? I had a an Uncle who had it and it seemed that the treatment was quite debilitating for him. He lived years and years afterward though.
I don’t know much about prostate cancer, but BP is saying that its NOT prostate, and has confirmed that Harry is flying over so it sounds pretty serious.
Chuck has cancer — though I feel sorry for him and wish him well, my opinion of him as a weak father and leader remains the same.
I doubt that old man even cared enough to have an opinion. I agree and don’t think he met Meghan but a handful of times.
I don’t think philip.and Wallis crossed paths much. I wish someone would write about the queen wondering what Kate did when she had no career after graduating
Prince Philip only met the Duchess of Windsor once, briefly, in 1972. She was 76 then, living in Paris with her very ill husband. They had left England in 1937 after his abdication and Prince Philip married the Queen in 1947. So, he did not know her and I would be very surprised if he had made this bizarre comparison. Just lazy journalism.
It fascinates me to watch hardman (shouldn’t he consider changing his name) and Sewer (I recommend better skin care) are perfectly happy to throw QEIi and PP under the bus in order to cover their arses. It amazes me how these people absolutely don’t believe in karma. It’s coming sweeties and it will be a lulu. Watch out for your jobs, loveys.
Phil may well have known Wallis. His uncle Dickie Mountbatten was David’s best friend.
He also likely only met Wallis once or twice. They were not contemporaries. She was a generation older and married into the royal family 10 years before Philip, after which she went into “exile” for the rest of her life. These stories are all nonsensical.
^^ Exactly. None of the Edward VIII & Wallis Simpson drama intimately impacted then Princess Elizabeth or her future husband, because she was a young child when the initial events took place. It was her uncle’s abdication that directly affected Elizabeth, but once again, not intimately at the time of occurrence. It was Elizabeth’s parents who were more directly and emotionally impacted.
Another thing to keep in mind is that Wallis Simpson did not want (David) Edward VIII to abdicate, nor was she ever interested in being Queen (unlike Camzilla). Wallis was perfectly content being mistress to the King of England while remaining married to her second husband, Edward Simpson.
I agree. This story has been doing the rounds and is not worth repeating.
We know Philip had form making rude remarks and had nicknames for everyone.
He apparently suggested a rude way of referring to Meghan using the phonetic alphabet.
That was allegedly Charles, not Philip.
More to the point how was Prince Philip reminded of Wallis? He never met her as a woman of 37. She was long gone before Philip was a thing in Elizabeth’s family. In the 30s Philip was at the mercy of whatever relative wanted to take responsibility for him. All his sisters were in Germany and members of the Nazi party. His mother was in an insane asylum and his Dad abdicated all responsibility for the tyke who had exited Greece in a fruit basket.
I don’t believe this Wallis angle at all. If anything, I think he would have liked her. He was said to adore beautiful women and Meghan is extremely charming.
Now do I think he said something sexist and racist after? Maybe something about how you don’t seriously court actresses? Something about her being exotic? You bet.
But overall, I believe that Harry’s grandparents loved him and accepted his wife.
I hope Ingrid’s book tanks!
^^ Yep, I agree. I believe what little contact Meghan had with the elderly, ailing Prince Philip, was quite pleasant and cordial. As you say @Sunny, by all accounts, Philip appreciated beautiful, intelligent women, which would include both Diana and Meghan.
The beaming smiles from both Philip and QE-II in the iconic family portrait taken at Windsor Castle to celebrate Archie’s birth, do not lie. It is a photograph that will always remain historically significant.
Seward’s book is going to tank like Hardman’s.
She now has the video circulating again where she outright lied for money and trashed a woman she has never met and an interview that she had never seen. (It wasn’t even aired until well after her comments) just another Royal propaganda book I won’t be purchasing or downloading even if it’s free. Does anyone know when or if Spare will be released in paperback? That is what I’m looking forward to.
YouTube video I was referring to: https://youtu.be/T_j35t3GCsk?feature=shared
A reminder that Seward was one of the four RR (including Fitzwilliams and both Arbiters), who gave a very negative review of Meghan’s Oprah interview – before the interview had aired. They were all paid a surprisingly small sum, by two guys who set it up because they “wanted to see if Royal Experts were always truthful with how they report…” Question answered…
ETA: I see @Cessily has posted the link about this. Kudos to whoever resurrected this and has it circulating again.
Did Philip even know Wallis? He was basically homeless (the Navy eventually gave him a home) when Wallis was first introduced to the family & Elizabeth was a child.
Given what we know about the Courtiers and the British media, Wallis was probably the bomb, and they had to discredit her as a nut and a slut.
Seward’s book will tank and I love that for her. Edward VIII was unsuitable beyond his relationship with Wallis, who was also despicable, but funny that nobody in the RF gets compared to the old Duke of Windsor. It’s always Wallis, like it was all on her.
Oh they’ve compared Harry to the Duke. That he’ll be floating aimlessly around, a sad pathetic figure, etc.
Oh what shocking tea – old women disapproving of non-virgins getting married in a white dress. Wake up and recognize the sexual revolution.
Seward makes Liz look BAD here. She also makes herself look more batty and unhinged than previously apparent.
If only Meghan hadn’t looked so flamboyantly virginal! I’m sorry but that phrase is cracking me up. Jokes on them bc Meghan’s dress has aged so well. The bright gleaming pure white. The simplicity of the silhouette. Her sweet tiara. The idea of aspiring to be a princess is outdated but it really was a fairy-tale moment and look. It was both modern and romantic.
Camilla wore a bright white Dress and matching hat to her actual registry wedding.
So did Anne.
I mean, the queen was old fashioned and very devout. She had issues with Charles and Camilla, both divorcees and their marriage. She didn’t even attend the civil service. If Anne hadn’t gotten married in the Church of Scotland she may have dodged it as the Defender of the Faith. Who knows what she thought of their outfits.
The important thing is she and philip were pretty much the only ones to show her any welcome, kindness and approval.
It’s stupid anyway. Was she upset that Kate looked “virginal” after openly living with Will before marriage? Anne wore white or off-white at her second marriage after cheating during her first and having a messy divorce. What did any of them comment about that?
I hadn’t even thought about that😳🤣.. then there is are all those unfortunate nick names that she earned throughout her school years🧐🤨 but no one said a thing about her choice of color.
Good point. That hadn’t occurred to me.
And I don’t recall any guards or staff referring to Meghan as “the mattress”, or Meghan flashing her bare ass to the world.
Even more modern was what happened afterwards: she looked around, saw the racist, elitist and narcissistic mess, took her Prince and never looked back. And they lived happily ever after.
And this is the Princess story I can tell my daughter.
How is it known that the queen and philip were desperate for the sermon to end sooner
It’s a good thing to say about the leader of the COE that she couldn’t wait for a sermon to end.
Right?
Especially as it was alleged that she was a fan of Billy Graham.
This. They really need to stop flogging the dead queen, who actually appeared deeply religious throughout her entire life. Billy Graham is an excellent point, Amy Bee.
Do most people even know who Wallis Simpson is? Good grief.
I read many books about Wallis and Edward and she was nothing at all like Meghan. Seward seems to look at derangers comments who call Meghan. Wallis.
^^Right! Wallis’ and Meghan’s personalities, backgrounds, education-levels, and body types are nothing at all alike. Neither were their motivations, goals, nor bank accounts upon coming into contact with the British royals. 🫤
If Kate, who is rumored to have at Will’s beck and call for the bedroom in her single days, wore white – then they should have no issue with Meghan.
This is all hatred and racism – which they proudly show and put on display.
How about we focus on Andrew and where Kate is.
The comment about the dress strikes me as plausible – it isn’t “protocol” to wear white or a veil for a second wedding. QE2 seems to have been all about protocol, so I don’t doubt this.
As for Archbishop Curry – I was appalled at how poorly the royal family acted during the homily. He’s the head of the Episcopal Church in the US! It’s not like he was some televangelist. Harry’s family showed their true character that day.
The queen could have said no. She didn’t and if she grumbled about it is shows hypocrisy
The Queen knew Meghan for less than two years and invited her on a train trip, nobody forced her, Unable was around for ever and was not asked until that train ride with Meghan.
What Century is this, any woman can wear whatever color they want to be married in, it’s called their choice.
It’s like not wearing white in Winter.
Class is not something associated with the Windsors, the World saw their behavior at the wedding.
I am at the point in this life that I will wear winter white any damn time I choose. I wore white and a veil to my wedding at 56 after losing my husband of 30 years. My angel man and I didn’t give a rip what the country club set or the paper said. Hubs is a Judge. Screw the monarchy and the social set.
But the royals are the ones who wanted the large televised wedding, not H&M. If QE was really against her wearing a traditional wedding dress, there should have been no large wedding.
The queen allowed peter phillips to openly date a woman whose divorce was not finalized. His marriage to his first wife ender and the queen allegedly complains about Meghan wedding dress. Such hypocrisy.
Exactly!!!
Well said.
Harry did not abdicate the throne. He had no chance to be king. Not the same thing as Wallis and Edward
And Maghan is not a Nazi or Nazi Sympathetizer.
Tiffany, not just a sympathizer, but both were Nazi collaborators. There’s plenty of evidence out there that shows that.
These people are so pathetic and frankly stupid. At what point does someone realize that they make the Royal Family look terrible every time they do this? Why aren’t British people offended they are constantly putting words into the mouths of dead people? Dead people they supposedly respected? Did the Queen have a problem with Anne, Camilla or Princess of Kent wearing white for their second weddings? Oh just Meghan I see. Ugh its too early for this nonsense I need a coffee.
I don’t believe a word of this – its was well reported that he was also quite fond of Meghan. Didn’t Harry also confirm that in Spare? This is just deflection from the fact that these ‘concerns’ were actually made about a certain other married in.
The concern in Kate’s case was real…and justified.
Me neither. The whole excerpt starts with a lie; Meghan’s first meeting with the queen was at Royal Lodge, not tea at BP. It just goes on with Sewerd’s own racist fantasy story,
You can never convince me that QEII and Philip were anything other than thrilled when Harry brought intelligent, well spoken, and hardworking Meghan to meet them. They probably threw themselves a little party, after the disaster that is Kitty.
I always find it rather amazing that the two oldest, most seemingly set in their ways members of the family were the ones who reached out, showed approval and kindness and stayed in touch after they left. It’s why Harry and Meghan came out so quickly and said the ‘skin color’ comments didn’t come from them.
1) did Phil ever meet Wallis Simpson? At Duke of Windsor’s funeral perhaps.
2) if QEII did think Meghan’s dress was too white, so what? Friends and families can dislike clothes without hating the person.
3) all this tittering over +Michael’s sermon makes the whole RF and Seward look ignorant and racist.
All this reeks of bigotry and desperation.
Also, it was the Archbishop of Canterbury who suggested to H&M that they have Bishop Curry speak at the wedding since he is the head of the Episcopal church in the US. Meghan was Episcopalian before being baptized into CoE.
Wasn’t Megan Catholic? Considering that Megan went to immaculate heart high school in Hollywood which is a Catholic school?
Speaking from a tiny bit of personal experience, I’m an American cradle Episcopalian who went to Catholic schools, its entirely possible. The 2 denominations have more similarities than diffrences.
@Priscilla, you are right, except for the part about Meghan being Episcopalian. She was NOT! It was Bad Dad, Thomas Markle, who was raised in the Episcopalian Church. Meghan grew up Protestant. Her maternal grandfather was a Baptist minister.
No, @Erin, Meghan was never Catholic. To my knowledge, many children are sent to Catholic schools for the excellent academic education such schools provide, not necessarily because they or their parents are Catholic.
Meanwhile, Meg’s Mom, Doria, was raised in the Baptist Church, but she grew up to explore Eastern religions and self-actualization philosophies. Doria Ragland and Thomas Markle were married at the Paramahansa Yogananda Self-Realization Temple, in Los Angeles, in 1979.
@Erin Lots of non-Catholic children attend the Catholic schools around here. They are some of the better private schools around.
I wonder do these folks just write this nonsense to say they have written a book. These books do not sell well at all and I often wonder are these books written and the advance they are given is just throw away money by the publishers. These folks in their desperation to denigrate the Sussexes are confirming what Harry and Meghan has stated on record, Meghan was not welcomed with open arms. And this nonsense about wearing a white dress to a wedding is pure foolishness. They have nothing on the Sussexes most especially Meghan. She worked, was an activist before marriage doing her marriage and now. What we are witnessing is a complete melt down from the gutter press and authors there who are desperate to strike this couple for any coins they can get because what the Sussexes left behind is just toiling in the wind, aimless and costing them a fortune to maintain.
I’ve always wondered if these books even earn back their advance. If they don’t, the authors have to give the money back.
Racism is what they are still and always will sell. I’m going to believe Harry and what he said about his grandparents and Meg. They had a nice relationship according to Harry so I will just go with that. It’s sad what they are saying about two people who are dead and can’t defend themselves.
If the story is true, then the queen and her husband were raging racists. I can believe that about Philip given his long, inglorious history of racist remarks. But if Seward is just making this up or giving disinformation a platform, then she is the racist.
I think there are courtiers in the palace who absolutely think these things and spoke with Seward. The same people who thought it was funny to have Meghan ride in a car that once drove Wallis Simpson. As to whether the queen actually thought and said these things, idk? It’s possible but it’s also very possible that people are putting words in her mouth after she’s died. All we know is that Harry and Meghan felt they had a warm relationship with her. She arranged for their security and special walk down the aisle at the jubilee. She actually made an effort to meet Archie and Lili. She could’ve done more, yes, but it’s more than Charles has ever done.
Agreed, Jais. The same people who were celebrating that *finally* the big secret about Lili’s name had been revealed. These people are all fucking garbage.
@brassy, I as well can totally believe that Prince Philip was a racist pig and that the DoW comment, as the Duchess of Windsor was an American divorcee, was a handy excuse for him instead of saying: I don’t know, there is just something about her that I don’t like….
I also believe that the Queen made the “too white” comment about Meghan’s wedding dress, as this came from Anson who would not have said (leaked) anything to the press without the Queen’s go-ahead.
I commented yesterday that these statements by members of the Royal family and the Queen were reported around the time of the Sussexes’ wedding. They are old news (but we did not know the origin of the DoW comment). I fully believe that the Queen at a hand in leaking negative tidbits about Meghan, via Anson and Kelly.
Well, social media has been doing its thing and Anne apparently wore white at her second wedding, so the Queen must not have objected that much.
What i do like about these stories coming out is that they prove the whole “we welcomed her with open arms” thing to be a lie, if anyone accepts these stories as true. So either QEII and Phillip had no issues with Meghan and welcomed her (as Meghan herself has said), or they disliked/distrusted her from the start so she was never really welcomed into the family, which just paints the family as racist/xenophobic (because why would they distrust her from the start if not for her race?)
I don’t actually believe Seward here because it contradicts what both Meghan and Harry have said about his grandparents, but the RRs are doing the royal family no favors with these stories.
Nothing is said about keen wearing a white Dress to m and h wedding.
“It was yellow…so not white, are you blind. ”
Actual answer I had from a monarchist about that. Ridiculous just like Kan’t.
…or her own wedding. She was no blushing bride either.
This is so, so annoying. They’re just going to keep trotting out well actuallys about Meghan for the rest of their lives. “Remember this one nanosecond from an event 6 years ago we haven’t overanalysed yet? Well guess what, new 400-page book incoming!”
How long can the british media machine keep this cottage industry afloat? Even the Meghan haters have to be bored of this, right?? Ugh somebody just make it stop!
Old Phil probably hardly knew who his own wife was in his last years .
He just stumbled around making an embarrassment of himself .
These books are just getting more and more laughable , would anyone actually pay money to read this rubbish ?
No one cares anymore about this fkd up family .
Philip probably met Wallis one time in his life and that was at the funeral of her husband. He was a child, just like Elizabeth, when that whole abdication mess went down. His family had their own hep of problems when he was young. When he met Elizabeth for the first time I believe he was about 18 years old, which was well past the crisis. And even if what Ingrid says is true they may all well remember that Philip wouldn’t have even been in his position except for Wallis. Seems to me he owns her a debt of gratitude.
Philip’s grandson, William, was banging his girlfriend for almost 10 years before finally proposing. She wore flamboyantly virginal white.
Technically, Kate wore ivory while Meghan work stark white. Honestly, stark white is a hard color to pull off but obv Meghan could. It was just very different than what was the current trend of off-white, cream and ivory so it was surprising. But equating it with flamboyant virginity is hilarious and yes it would mean that Kate, Anne and Camilla should have all worn scarlet as pre-marital sexual sinners😂
Are we going to start handing out big scarlet letter As for the adulterers in the royal family to wear? We’ll run out of red fabric.
Just for the women, Dee. Just for the women. And just because Meghan had been married, that didn’t make her an adulterer.
Do these books by racist liars sell very well I wonder.
He seems to be smiling genuinely and brightly in that photo with Meghan and newborn Archie.
Prince Phillip used to regularly facetime or have zoom calls with them once they left.
This is where he would shut his laptop to end the call (James Corden interview).
So I doubt he called her DoW.
The fleet street clowns and the firm are doing their best to sully Harry’s memory of his late grandparents. This is just more narcissistic abuse.
Not only that but Philip only attended despite recent hip surgery but he fell a couple days prior and had a cracked rib the day of the wedding. He was pretty determined to attend a wedding for someone he considered ‘like the Duchess of Windsor.’
Wallis Simpson was a nazi sympathizer and security risk. Other than having a knack for fashion the 2 women share nothing in common.
Normades, she and the Duke were both Nazi collaborators. There’s plenty of evidence out there to back that up.
I think the welcome Meghan got from Philip and Betty, put a lot of Windsor’s noses out of of joint.
There had to be reason Chucky called Meghan, Tungsten, he knew they couldn’t push her around, and they’re still trying 4 years later.
There was a story about Chucky inviting Meghan over to Clarence House to look at Art Work, but he didn’t tell her he was inviting the press, when Meghan found out, she cancelled the visit.
Apparently Chucky almost stroke out, because no one cancels him.
Good recollection!
I’ll bet it was when Harry was refusing to let those racist reporters meet Meghan; they concocted something with Charles’ staff where he would pay the doting host and of course introduce her to the pack, after which they would dine out for years on having “met Meghan at Clarence House”. So the man was using her to score positive headlines for himself even though he was so damn tight that he wasn’t even paying for her. The courtiers, and by extension Charles, have obviously never got over it – they promised their media masters that she would be there and they were left with egg on their faces.
I’m glad she said no. Kudos to the little bird who whispered in her ear about the setup!
I hadn’t heard that story before, thank you @Jan. That is f*cking spectacular. Who tipped Meghan off?
I bet she said Kates dress was too white at H&Ms wedding. If Philip had made a remark that Meghan reminded him of DOW, you can be sure we would have heard about it from the big mouth courtiers at the time it happened. BTW, QEII first met Meghan when visiting Andrew and Fergie at Royal Lodge, not over tea at BP.
The Edward and Mrs Simpson affair was in the 30s and he abdicated in 1936 when Phillip would have been 15 (and The Queen 9!!) The Duke of Windsor (as he became) only visited his family thereafter in a solo capacity. The Duchess of Windsor was never in the Uk again until her husband died in the 70s and she attended his funeral at Windsor. So how he could EVER known her? The tone of all these articles about the books/ tweets about the articles are literally making a complete mockery of the late Queen’s legacy. If Camilla is behind all this bad press for the late ones, then either Charles doesnt care or in his and the wife’s quest for goodPR is just too stupid to see what is being done to his late Mother and Father.
The duchess did return with her husband to the UK before the seventies. She and Edward were invited to dedicate a monument to queen Mary. His surviving siblings and sisters in law attended. And the queen and philip. Photos are on the internet. So she was allowed back before her husband died.
They returned in 1967. He passed away in 1972
Is Harry the only grandchild of Elizabeth and Philip? Why is this family so invested in Harry and Meghan’s relationship? So Philip didn’t have a problem with Beatrice’s husband, who isn’t divorced but has a child from an illegitimate relationship. And what about Philip’s opinion on the marital problems of his eldest grandson, Peter, where he and his wife ended up in divorce in 2020. Also, what about his opinion of Zara’s husband, Shrek aka Mike, who cheated on his wife just a few months after their marriage. I guess Philip was okay with cheating, adultery, and having illegitimate children because he himself was an adulterer and raised three adulterous, one of them is a pedophile.
These people are the dumbest people on earth. Omg… they are trying so hard to not only make the Queen and Phillips look racist but they are very proud of it. They treated Wallis Simpson so poorly because she was an American and rewrote her history without any push back because everyone believed them and now they are trying to rewrite their behavior towards Meghan as if the internet magically disappeared nobody was paying w. How are they not seeing that they are destroying what they claim to love and protect. This isn’t 1924 the world has been paying attention and that’s why they are only important in that island they lost the respect and prestige they use to have before their invisible face mask was removed and they are blaming Meghan for it. It’s Meghan fault that people can now see there wasn’t a wizard behind the curtain and everything was an illusion and they are all been duped. Go find your missing princess as well as the missing $80 million dollars diamonds which nobody is talking about.
QE and these reporters should have done their research. White as a wedding dress became popular after Victoria wore white for her wedding. It was less about “virginity” and more about status and wealth. Only the wealthy could afford to buy a white (easily stained) article that would be used one time.
Philip was 15 years old and in school when Edward abdicated for Wallis and he had just joined the Navy when they moved to the Bahamas. Edward and Wallos weren’t invited to Elizabeth and Philip’s wedding and I don’t think they saw each other more than a couple of times after that – once at some dedication ceremony and another when Edward was dying. So, when did Philip have the opportunity to know Wallis?
On the other hand, Elizabeth approved H&M’s marriage, she liked Meghan and she and Philip had a good relationship with H&M even after the split. The only part of this story I believe is that all the royal racists were rolling their eyes at the Black American Archbishop. That I saw with my own eyes.
I came here to say this Eurydice. And at 15 Philip was not engaged to Elizabeth. The RR can’t help themselves and have to drag H&M every day.
Some of the reactions have been overblown in the years since. Harry even laughed and smiled at points. Articles written *at the time* considered it much more lightheartedly. That the reverend came in and blew the doors off and the Brits didn’t know what hit them. And the reverend knew it, he was having a good time and joked about his sermon himself. Meghan’s good friend Javina said people laughed and grinned at the reactions from outside. That at different points you could hear the outside crowd’s cheering ringing throughout the church. Neither Harry nor Meghan has ever indicated a problem with their wedding day.
The rats just show why they are becoming obsolete the day it long. What publishing house would advance these clowns money to write this.
And you just know they are pissed that Bald never grew up or went to the mat for Bones, like Harry did and does for Meghan.
They are always passive aggressive about The Sussexes and not having access, yet nary a word when Bald and Bones constantly yank their chain.
Is that Ingrid Seward just used the Sun and Daily Mail as references for stories because not of these stories are new and we already know how the Palace perceived Meghan. We know the Royal Family and courtiers were racist and snobbish to Meghan. We didn’t need another book to tell us this again.
I can believe Philip said it. The Windsors are not intellects and making idiotic superficial assessments of a person and sticking with them seems about right. They aren’t nice people.
Yeah, Philip being an a**hole isn’t farfetched. But these morons continue to make the dead queen look terrible and racist.
The behavior of the royals at H&M’s wedding was embarrassing. And just made them look out of touch with the rest of the world who thought it was joyful and exhilarating.
@Harper I agree with you. But Meghan adored the Queen and Prince Philip. She named her only daughter after the Queen.
I’m sorry, did she actually say that they were “startled” by the black pastor, were “desperate for him to finish” and were “aware of the stifled laughing” around them…and this is to make them look good?
They all live in their little racist classist bubble and do not realize how this appears to us ‘normal people’. Thats why they are always shocked when stories like the Lilibet name story don’t land with the plebs.
Seward is the one that wrote an extremely cringe column begging Harry to take Cressida back after they broke up. She’s friends with her mother, Lady Whatever Her Name is. People forget, but there was a very strong push by Cressida’s family to get Harry to put a “ring on it”. They borrowed heavily from the Middleton playbook with her suddenly showing up in sexy clothes where she’d basically been a slob. Once it was clear that Harry had no intention of getting back together, the narrative changed to she was the one who said no.
Seward was also quoted in some TV show as saying something about preferring that Harry “married an English rose”. Salty, racist biddy.
Very ironic considering how Ingrid slams Diana the English rose Charles married. Look how Diana was treated by that family. Cressida may not have gotten good treatment. She is half sister to Isabelle calthorpe and will is. Was interested in her. I doubt cressida would be welcomed by kate.
Of course they would welcome Cressida with “open arms”! At least according to Harry, he said in Spare William and Kate told him to marry Cressida،
Oh yeah, that Editor’s Letter was a new level of embarrassing. Cressida and her people have done a great job of rewriting history and claiming that she dumped Harry/didn’t want to marry him, but many of us remember those aforementioned attempts and pleas to get him to take back “beautiful, free-spirited Cressie”, lol.
Cressida was desperate to marry Harry, and if Harry had asked her to marry him, she would have said yes!
I won’t be surprised if she now has a Meghan hate account on Twitter.
Where can we find this?
I have a friend who lives in the UK and I brought up how badly I felt for Harry and she jumped down my throat about how it was just like Wallis Simpson and the King and how wrong it is he left the Royal Family for Meghan. I have never spoke another word about Harry to her,so it doesn’t surprise me that they use this comparison.
Manners, where were their manners knowing full cameras were on them at the wedding. Shame on them.
The British media and its monarchy continues to show the world their racist asses. And make the queen they claim to have loved and respected so much look horrible especially considering she was head of predominantly black countries. These people think they are embarrassing Harry and Meghan. However people feel badly for Harry and Meghan that this is the kind of horrible racist behavior they had to endure and can completely understand why they left . Charles and Camilla should put leases on their dogs because they are giving them a very bad name and soiling the name of a woman and man who are no longer hear to speak for themselves.
Loved your comment, Kaiser! “Much like Robert Hardman’s recent royal biography, it looks like King Charles’s court is full of busy little bees, dropping all kinds of revisionist history to royal biographers these days.” In addition to the “busy little bees, I would add that there are probably also a Wasp or two and an assortment of gray-suited Vipers.
Thanks for including the iconic wedding picture that clearly shows Kate leaning away from Doria. So much for the clap-trap about how Kate wanted to meet Doria so much.
By the way Lady Elizabeth is also dead and unable to refute any stories.
She died in 2020. How long has Seward been working on this book? I doubt she interviewed her for it almost four years ago.
Lady E openly bitched about the Sussexes’ reception plans only a few days before the wedding. So, yeah, I fully believe she leaked what the Queen said about Meghan’s dress. She was a jealous old cow who was peeved that she didn’t get the planning job for the reception.
It’s always safe to put words into people’s mouths who aren’t even alive to dispute them. C-Word is notorious for that. Maybe she should read up on Wallis Simpson who was a manipulative, scheming, gold-digging woman who was also, like Edward VIII, a Nazi sympathizer. She treated Edward abominably after they married and she realized she would never get the HRH she longed for. Many documents that were discovered after the war (the Marburg Files) prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that in return for the Duke’s cooperation the Nazi regime would reinstate him as King and Wallis as Queen.
If anyone is like Wallis, it’s the current Princess of Wales.
I’ve noticed this as well with the barage of books being written recently. Suddenly people are very creative putting words into the mouths of the departed.
Another day, another book that makes Queen Elizabeth look bad – and this time they’ve thrown Philip into the mix just for kicks. When are they going to realize that they are doing more damage to the reputations of the British royals, both living and dead, than they are to Meghan Markle? She has longed moved on…so should they.
Are we really supposed to care what a known racist thought of a successful biracial woman? Frankly, it was no loss to the world when this guy kicked the bucket. Yeah, I said it. But marrying into royalty doesn’t automatically make someone useful, or important, or admirable — and it certainly didn’t in Philip’s case.
This is so obviously deliberate disinformation, complete fiction. The Wallis Simpson comparisons have always been desperate and absurdly stupid, and I don’t believe Philip was quite that unintelligent. They’re making shit up and attributing it to people who are conveniently dead, and anybody with half a brain can see it.
Does anyone see this as Prince Phillip and the Queen looking good? Who are the Palaces advisors? Do they hate them? Do they think that doubling down on racism after the mess that was Lilbeth’s naming was good?
Dear RR, you showed everyone that you lied, and that no, according to you, they weren’t trying to help her. Clowns.
How effing desperate is this, to write such rot with Philip long gone to his great reward. What a hateful bitch this woman must be. She’s becoming as bad as Angela Levin.
PP was in his late ’80’s or early ’90’s by the time MM came along.
We all know PP was closed minded and living in the past.
Nothing new in this story, to me.
Can we talk about the fact that KFC has cancer?!
Ruh roh….well just as many of us suspected after the third night in hospital. I wonder what treatment he’s getting? I guess this is why Willnot is supposedly stepping up his game. I’ll believe it when I see it…
Ok, I do not believe in these things, my family does. This is what they sent me for new year. Now, I am scared for the other Nostradamus predictions.
[The new monarch has only been in the job for a matter of months but his throne is already at risk, or so Nostradamus supposedly suggested.
In his verses, the soothsayer referred to a “King of the Isles”, who he said would have a controversial divorce and would eventually be “driven out by force”.
What’s more, he said this ruler would be usurped by “one who will have no mark of a king”.
In a book published back in 2006, bestselling Nostradamus commentator Mario Reading said this excerpt pointed to King Charles being forced to abdicate because of “persistent attacks on both himself and his second wife”.
He also suggested that Harry – the man who has “no mark of a king” – would take the crown instead of his brother William, the current heir.
It’s interesting that since Reading’s book was published, Harry has renounced his role as a royal. In other words, he now has “no mark of a king” at all.]
Chantale, I read this, “referred to a “King of the Isles”, who he said would have a controversial divorce and would eventually be “driven out by force”.” I immediately thought of Wont. If Wont was “driven out by force”, then George would be next.
Since “King of the Isles” could be another King, I think I’ll wait to see what happens.
I don’t believe for one moment that’s what Philip thought of Meg, how Seward and her sources dare to make such statements is quite wicked.
As with similar nonsense recently attributed to The Queen, how convenient for Seward that Philip is no longer around to contradict it.
I’m convinced that, in reality, The Queen and Philip were overjoyed at Meghan’s arrival – a hardworking, kind girl, a self-made wealthy woman and a dog-lover as much as they both were. They’d have seen how good she was going to be for Harry and for their beloved Commonwealth.
Don’t doubt it.
You know what? Maybe Chuckles wants his biographers to make Betty look bad. This could be his revenge for the bitter childhod of his mother withholding love, affection or even basic attention, then making him wait until he’s a very old man for the throne. I think this is on purpose.
Well, duh. Why wouldnt she? I thought about Wallis, too, because that’s the last American who married someone that steeped in the RF. But that’s where it ended.
If Americans keep stealing their succession line, maybe the Firm should consider how much it sucks. These guys get a picture of how much better life can be without this nonsense and split. Again – duh.
I’m sorry but I refuse to believe Prince Phillip hated Bishop Curry’s sermon. He seemed to actually be paying attention and was surprised/amused by what he said.
Him and Liz both were listening. I don’t believe Liz agreed but Philip was amused and caught off guard. It showed how badly prepared the rest of the family is for Royal life. I think Charles was listening. Kate and William was too busy taking inventory. They all are supposed to be preachers somewhat.