Prince Harry arrived at Heathrow on Tuesday around 12:30 pm. He arrived with his own security, and he had a police escort from Heathrow. He traveled straight to Clarence House, where his father, King Charles, had been staying since Sunday or Monday. Charles was reportedly in London to receive treatment for cancer. Harry was photographed in the car going into Clarence House, and he was there for an hour or two. As Harry was arriving, a helicopter suddenly appeared at Buckingham Palace. Then the Sun’s royal reporter Matt Wilkinson tweeted: “King Charles has left Clarence House and a helicopter is waiting for him at Buckingham Palace. It is believed Prince Harry left moments earlier. Their meeting would have lasted less than 45 minutes.”
The Telegraph’s reporting goes back and forth – Charles and Camilla were seen and photographed leaving Clarence House about 45 minutes after Harry’s arrival. Their sources claim that Harry and Charles’s meeting only lasted about thirty minutes. They also claim that they don’t know if Harry had any plans to join Charles at Sandringham, and no one seems to know where Harry went after Clarence House, although reporters stationed outside claimed that Harry left around the same time as his father.
In the photos of Charles and Camilla departing Clarence House, Charles looks emotional, like he’s been crying. Which I believe – regardless of my opinion about Charles’s dogsh-t parenting skills, that man is sentimental, emotional even. While this whole thing is absolutely bonkers, I bet it meant a lot to Charles that Harry flew fourteen hours just to see him. Of course, a normal parent would have gussied up the guest room and served tea and made sure that their child would stay for dinner. Not Charles.
I said from the start that Harry’s visit was coordinated with his dad and Buckingham Palace, and the police escort was evidence enough of that, as was the fact that Harry went straight to Clarence House. But was THIS always the plan? A 45-minute visit, after which Charles skedaddled off to Sandringham for no urgent reason? A fourteen hour flight for less than an hour of checking-in and conversation? Oh well – Harry is a loving son and he did what he could. He made that journey for himself. While the sadistic royalists are crowing about how little time the king gave his son, Harry is the one who comes out of this with no regrets. He made the effort, his father did not.
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- King Charles III and Queen Camilla leave Clarence House in London following the announcement of King Charles III’s cancer diagnosis on Monday evening. The King has been diagnosed with a form of cancer and has begun a schedule of regular treatments, and while he has postponed public duties he “remains wholly positive about his treatment”, Buckingham Palace said Featuring: Queen Camilla, King Charles III Where: London, United Kingdom When: 06 Feb 2024 Credit: James Manning/PA Images/INSTARimages **NORTH AMERICA RIGHTS ONLY**
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- King Charles III and Queen Camilla leave Clarence House in London following the announcement of King Charles III’s cancer diagnosis on Monday evening. The King has been diagnosed with a form of cancer and has begun a schedule of regular treatments, and while he has postponed public duties he “remains wholly positive about his treatment”, Buckingham Palace said Featuring: Queen Camilla, King Charles III Where: London, United Kingdom When: 06 Feb 2024 Credit: James Manning/PA Images/INSTARimages **NORTH AMERICA RIGHTS ONLY**
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- King Charles III and Queen Camilla leave Clarence House in London following the announcement of King Charles III’s cancer diagnosis on Monday evening. The King has been diagnosed with a form of cancer and has begun a schedule of regular treatments, and while he has postponed public duties he “remains wholly positive about his treatment”, Buckingham Palace said Featuring: King Charles III Where: London, United Kingdom When: 06 Feb 2024 Credit: James Manning/PA Images/INSTARimages **NORTH AMERICA RIGHTS ONLY**
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- King Charles III and Queen Camilla leave Clarence House in London following the announcement of King Charles III’s cancer diagnosis on Monday evening. The King has been diagnosed with a form of cancer and has begun a schedule of regular treatments, and while he has postponed public duties he “remains wholly positive about his treatment”, Buckingham Palace said Featuring: King Charles III, Queen Camilla Where: London, United Kingdom When: 06 Feb 2024 Credit: Victoria Jones/PA Images/INSTARimages **NORTH AMERICA RIGHTS ONLY**
True douche if he could not show more hospitality to his own son. Harry is in peace. Meanwhile I havent seen william go to his father even if he’s right there.
And he won’t go to see his father if reports are to be believed.
That is why they report breathlessly on Harry’s comings & goings. So that they don’t have to focus on the fact that William is a complete no show
I’m hoping the narrative lies closer to “Harry, who has undergone therapy to deal w/ past family trauma, has healthy boundaries now and would refuse to be trapped under his father’s roof even if houseroom was offered, when a comfortable hotel without palace spies is only a few blocks away”.
@Where’sMyTiara 100% I prayed that he would do just this. Go see father and leave ASAP. He is in great danger there. Every time he steps foot in the UK I worry. After all the Legends of Aviation and the Bob Marley win I just want him home with his family safe. He did the right thing by visiting.
I lost my dad a year ago. I have many regrets, but will always be glad for the time I spent with him at the end. I hope Harry has similar peace. But this timing just feels gross — you allow/make your kid travel 28 hours round trip to be by your side and don’t give him an hour? What could possibly have been the rush? And where is the statement “the King enjoyed and is grateful for the recent visit with his much beloved son” or something to shut up the Rota Rats?
“Harry is the one who comes out of this with no regrets.”
Exactly. Harry knows who his father is, I think he knew exactly what to expect yesterday. He did what he had to do to make sure there are no regrets on his part. its clear this visit was coordinated heavily with the palace. My guess is Charles always planned on returning to Sandringham yesterday and delayed it to meet with Harry.
Also, like I said yesterday – this is not a normal family. Harry meeting with his father for 45 minutes, heck even a half hour, feels like a long meeting considering how much Charles has blanked him over the past four years.
And harry met with Charles for longer than William has……
Yes, Harry grew up knowing about the pecking order. Efforts go up the ladder, not down – and the king doesn’t have to make any effort at all.
Exactly! Harry came to lay eyes on his father, hear about next medical steps and give him a hug. No one was expecting to settle in afterwards to watch sports on the telly. QEII was also good with those short family meetings.
This is what I was going to say. Why was anyone thinking that Harry would stay for supper? The BRF is hardly the warm, loving family type, after all. TBH as Becks said even 45 minutes is a long visit, considering who we’re talking about.
Yes-this exactly. It’s not like these people operate like normal families. Harry wasn’t going to change into sweats and hang out on the couch with his father. It’s all very formal, proper and brief. My guess is they had tea, Harry brought cards the kids had made for their grandfather, they talked about them, Charles outlined his treatment plan-and that was it.
I said almost the same thing yesterday on a different post, Jen. Forty-five minutes is probably more time than Charles spent with Becky. Remember, the guy went truffle hunting as she laid dying. This oversaturated narrative about how much time Harry spent with Charles truly misses the mark for me. It’s really unfortunate that people chose to project their own biographies on to this situation given all we know about that awful family.
This is what struck me about Harry’s relationship with his father. I think he was shocked at Charles’ lack of care when it came to Meghan, but he had no illusions about who Charles is in regards to him as a father. Harry even said that he believes his father would have been happy not having any children. That he wasn’t a natural parent. I think the choices Harry makes are to ensure that HE has no regrets. That he is living and making choices in alignment with his own values as a son. And that can only be applauded. We don’t have control over how other act. But we do have control over our own actions and reactions.
I expected nothing less from that meeting and I don’t think Harry did either. He did his due diligence as a son and will now go back to his family knowing he did what he needed to do.
Harry did exactly what I thought he would do and so did Charles 😏
Agreed. My FIL was awful. Mr. Contrary kept up a very brief relationship with him (while others certainly would have been within their rights to cut him off) because he said HE never wanted to have regrets. He died many years ago-and my husband was at peace with how he handled things. Is he sorry that his dad wasn’t different and didn’t want to spend more time with us? Sure-but he knew he did what he needed to do to be okay after.
I agree with you whole heartedly Becks. Kaiser said Harry did what he did for himself: I which she would have just stopped there. All the lamenting about how Charles didn’t make an effort is so unnecessary.
Now that that’s done, hopefully H&M can focus fully on IG next week.
on point!
Charles is so odd, sentimental but uncaring.
I’m glad for Harry that he made the effort, and understand why he would. I hope that’s the end of it for him as I have fears about the eventual funeral and what William might do, but Harry will probably feel that he has to attend that as well.
No Will yet? I could believe anything at this point.
Yes, it is so odd! I find it so confusing. Harry clearly does really love his dad and the way he writes about him, Harry at least presents Charles as a genuinely loving person who is just an ostrich who avoids conflict, won’t stand up to Camilla, or his Palace handlers. It’s just so strange that Charles seems to love Harry, be sad about everything, but *completely* incapable of doing literally anything that shows he understands why Harry and Meghan treatment was so wrong or to make any changes at all. It’s like the whole grandkid thing. I really have the impression that Charles would like to see them, but also can’t recognize that it is *his* actions solely preventing him from seeing them!! It must be surreal and difficult for Harry to talk with his dad- what a disconnect from reality, yikes. I hope he’s able to come to peace with the fact that Charles is just emotionally unable to understand how his actions affect other people.
We as humans always hope for the best, but the fact is Charles is a cold and uncaring father and not even Cancer can change that. Charles has seen in Harry the kind of man that he Charles could never be ❤
Charles is not sentimental. He is weak. Believe me, there’s a difference there with a huge distinction. A sentimental man is caring and empathetic towards other’s predicament. A weak man cares only about his own skin. Kaiser is wrong: those tears are for Charles and Charles only.
Yesterday PrincessK said that Charles goes harder on Harry because, despite knowing that Harry is the star, he needs to appease William. I’d like to think Harry joined them separately in Sandringham so they can spend more time together, and that the 30 min meeting story in the media is to satisfy William.
But who knows with these people. Anything is possible.
Yeah, I know they’re an entirely weird family because we talk about it every day but even fractured families can generally suck it up for few days during a crisis. It is insane to me that he wouldn’t take the opportunity to invite Harry to Sandringham ESTATE, where they could have plenty of distance but also some quality time.
Sas – exactly! If the plan was for Chuckles to flee to Sandringham directly after their very short meeting, why not just invite Harry to meet him there instead and then they can have an actual visit!
I have to believe – after everything Harry said about not playing games – that he wouldn’t fly all the way there for 45 minutes just to go along with some games that Chuckles might be trying to play with his heir or the press.
Yeah, not Charles who didn’t even have PH as a dinner guest after his beloved grandmother died. Charles’ tears are probably more about himself. If he was so “touched” about seeing PH, he could have stayed around and visited longer even if he needed a break after 30 min.
Yes I saw the pictures of Chuckles in the car and it did look as though he may have been crying at some point. What concerns me is where is Harry? The Telegraph at one point said he left for BP which is where Chuckles and Camz left from by helicopter. I hope he is ok. They followed Harry all the way to Clarence House but they have no pictures of Harry leaving?
In the end Harry came through for his Dad, i hope Charles appreciates it. I hope in years to come Harry sees this moment at a point of closure, people aren’t perfect and dont want to change if things are working out for them. Go on with your life Dude.
Harry flies for hours just to see his father. Pa gives him 45 minutes max. Just gross. Don’t tell me this is a normal family. Or any kind of a family. It’s an institution and a heartless one at that.
Yeah, it’s not a family which is what Harry wants. I hope he can accept that he’s never going to get that kind of relationship with his father but at least he’s has the type of family he’s always wanted with Meghan and the children.
Exactly, I think it would be hard for most people to understand how a parent could do that to a child — any child — who goes so far out of their way to visit and show they care. Really heartless. Will be interesting to see how the press tries to explain this away.
Those of us who’ve been paying attention for decades, didn’t need this situation to come to that conclusion. Hopefully we can all get the handwringing over the length of this visit out of hour system now.
Charles other son spent zero minutes with him.
Charles darling daughter in law has sent zero words of love or support for Charles.
Isn’t Kate sick in bed, she has her own recovery to make 🙄
@Swaz, they said Kate was working from bed and yesterday they said she sent a letter to a grieving woman, so of course she could have sent something or said something to Charles.
Neither Kate nor William have said a word about Charles, or have been seen visiting.
I hope harry is back home or close to being there. And yes Charles should have made a statement about how he was so happy to be with harry.
I can’t help but feel that once again the royal family’s need to play to the press and the soap opera characters they find/see themselves as has won out over proper emotions and family time. Charles wanted Harry there and Harry wanted to be there. But I’m sure courtiers and instinct kicked in and it became an episode in the series (tracking Harry’s flight, the leaks and briefings to certain Rota, the bbc live updates, photographs tracking everyone’s coming and goings, needing to be seen as snubbing, etc). of the BRF over any possible emotional and familial reconciliation and bonding. Harry tried, that’s all he can do. It must be exhausting living like this, but they (the royals) did it to themselves
I think it was important Harry reach out before making public appearances promoting Invictus. Not that Harry thinks that way but it does take away that ammunition from British tabloids. Have to admit I’m waiting for the overnight news of any William sightings. I know they said he had events on Wednesday…
Sad to say it also takes away the ammunition of “Meghan wouldn’t let PH visit his father.”
Now the derangers are going on about how she should have gone with him after saying they did not want her to go
Had she gone their comments would likely have been that Charles would have visited longer with PH if she hadn’t been there. There is no winning with that group or the royal “experts”.
And they’d say Meghan would be abandoning her children (which some of the deranged think are nonexistent, but whatever) for a photo op. She made the correct choice.
I think it allows next week to happen without all of the “When will Harry see his father?” or “How dare H & M go to Vancouver while the King is ill?” stories that would have overshadowed it. I mean the press will still write terrible stories but the whole world just watched Harry dropped everything, fly like 14 hours each way and got maybe 30 mins of his father’s time. So he can go to IG next week and give it his full attention. Ultimately I think he went because he wants no regrets but I do think it was smart to just get it done now.
Yes, and they can’t hang that short meeting on Harry, not with it being so obvious C&C had that helicopter waiting for them at BP.
At the end of the day, Harry can say he went to see his father. That’s all. I’m looking forward to Vancouver next week.
@Amy Bee Harry did the right thing by travelling to see his dad and wish him all the best with his cancer treatment. Today he returns to his home with Meg and his children in America never looking back because he knows they made the right decision in 2020 to leave.
I think the meeting after greetings went like this, Will you come back? No. The meeting then ended.
30 minutes is a significant amount of time in this situation. They’re not a normal family. That was probably the most time they spent in 4 years.
Harry has done everything he could. Flew over, reached out and spent some time with his dad. If Charles wants to spend more time or have Harry do something else then the ball is in Charles’ court. He’s the one who needs to reach out further.
Honestly, from what I’ve understood of how the monarch’s (Charles and Elizabeth before) schedule is controlled by courtiers and meetings with *family* have to be scheduled through them, 30 minutes in person does seem like a significant amount of time, not just in this situation but generally. Which is so sad and no wonder this family is so insanely emotionally constipated and unable to understand each other
They do themselves no favors.. every single time they let their vindictive pettiness lead front and center.
I think the meeting went like this after greetings. Will you come back? No. Then the meeting ended.
In my brain:
Harry: Dad, I’m sad to hear about your cancer. Let me know what I can do for you.
KFC: Divorce Meghan, return to be our whipping boy and also do all of William’s work but take no credit for it.
Harry: … And let’s get back on topic, how can I support your cancer?
KFC: …
Harry: …
KFC: If you aren’t going to support me, I’m leaving.
Harry: *deep breath* It was good to see you, if only for a hot second. Bye.
@Acha, I see that our minds think the same 😃
I sometimes feel like Harry is the only man in that family with an iota of maturity, and Meghan has trained him out of his rage issues. He was truly saved by her, and none of the derangers see how much better his life is outside of this bear cage.
Harry is to good for that family. All that flying for 45 minutes?
It’s not a 14 hour flight. It’s a 9ish hour flight. But yes.
it’s not a 9 hour flight from California, it’s considerably longer than that.
I’ve flown straight from SFO to HTH & that was easily 11 hrs.
To go from Montevito in a storm to LAX to fly to Heathrow, do customs and get the police escort ready, then work your way to Clarence House is EASILY 14 hrs of travel.
I’m convinced something huge is about to drop and Harry was there to sign some sort of paperwork. Otherwise it makes no sense whatsoever that he would drop everything and fly across the globe for a 30-45 minute check in with Pa Chuckles. They could have easily been doing video calls to see each other and then planned a longer trip after the IG events or whatever.
Chuckles is not (apparently or by their own reports of his condition) on his deathbed, so this trip could have waited. The only thing that makes sense in my mind is some other urgent situation requiring Harry’s signature.
As I’ve been saying for weeks now, ever since these dueling hospital stays happened and Pegs dropped off the face of the earth, nothing makes any sense. These has to be something else huge going on behind the scenes.
@Sussex Watcher I agree with everything you say. And I have two additional thoughts in regards if this 45min meeting justifies Harry long travel. I lost family members to cancer. I remember the family took every effort, no matter the amount to use every possible time that was left. For a long time we didn’t know how much time this would be. So you operate in a different mode and just make it work. From the same experience I remember that you find additional meetings to kind of justify the effort of traveling long for a very short meeting. And after a person received cancer treatment they really need to rest. Did I understand that right, that Charles received his first treatment prior to his meeting with Harry?
But still, I am with you on this. Harry needed to be there in person for reasons – like in signing papers.
@SussexWatcher, I have exactly the same feeling. Something is way off! Maybe Harry did need to sign something or was told something that could only be shared in person. Kate is missing, Will is basically in hiding, Ma & Pa Middleton are in the wind and the BM are as silent as the grave. I can’t help feeling that something is coming down the Pike that is going to be explosive or “will make our eyes bleed”. Nothing would surprise me at this point.
I said something similar in other comments/article – that something big was happening beyond the cancer announcement to bring Harry all that way. And I don’t think Harry would participate in palace PR shenanigans and open himself up to be a part of this circus of speculation if it was not extremely serious/important. If they truly only met for 30-45 mins., he needed to be there in person for something and I bet it was a W&K update too. And no one knows, maybe Harry did go to Sandringham? He could have gone there too, spent the night there instead of a hotel as DM speculates and still leave today as reported. Something big is happening and it’s not just a fly by night visit from Harry to Pa’s cancer-stricken side, imho.
Our commenter-in-the-know, Mary Pester, said she was told by a colleague close to the situation that Harry spent the night with Bea and Edo at their apartment in St. James then flew home. But something big happened/is going to happen involving the Wales. Look for Mary Pester’s continued comments, her info is always accurate.
I am with you SussexWatcher – something is really off and there is just a feeling of impending doom.
ETA and its not cancer related
He needs to learn to ignore them when they yank his chain. Such a massively long flight and they don’t even invite him to stay over???
Judging by what I’ve seen with friends and family, my guess is that Harry did what Harry wanted to do, for his own reasons. He can’t make his father be a decent human being, but Harry can go on being one. He’s able to go on living his best life now, knowing he checked in with his father, face to face after learning KC is seriously ill. No guilt, no regrets, just always walking his own path.
I hope he really is leaving UK today.
And as a supporter of Harry, I’m glad he did it ❤
Harry dislikes Camilla and does not trust her. She’s a conniving old gin-bag and an ardent leaker. No way he’d want to stay with them. Apparently he stayed with Bea and Edo.
For the love of god! He went to visit his ailing father: how does that constitute having his chain yanked!
I know the Fail has him flying back home as soon as but we should all remember that H&M have told us they would never speak to that rag so they are clearly speculating here – I would not be surprised if Harry is already in Sandringham to spend time with his father.
Given that we’ve not seen or heard anything of the hair visiting his father I hope this serves as a wake up call to Chuck to see what kind of man his eldest son is and what kind of King he will be. Chuck needs to make some harsh decisions when it comes to securing the future of the Monarchy and his legacy – does he really want a lazy, useless rage monster to be that????
William is the son that Chuck deserves but Harry is the son he needs.
Yeah, it is very clear that Charles doesn’t care at all about his younger son, but Harry insists on a reconciliation and that is all he got. I hope Harry enjoyed this 45 minute visit and it was worth the 12 hours travel.
Charles doesn’t care about any of his sons, but he and William are the heads of their family business so they have to put on a united front
At least he is making enough of an effort to pretend for the media and the world that he is a good father and grandfather with his eldest son and his three grandchildren. But with Harry he doesn’t even bother pretending he’s a decent man. He clearly shows the world how worthless the Sussexes are to him.
I am a Sussex supporter and I support Harry’s decision to see his father. I am not clairvoyant so I am not reading anymore into this other than the gesture Harry made by flying to the UK. Hopefully should the worst happen re his father he will have closure after having visited him. I continue to wish the Sussexes well and am looking forward to seeing them in Vancouver
I don’t think Harry flew all the way to the UK for that short conversation. I think his physical presence was required for a signature. On what? who knows? He was probably also let in the loop on what’s going on with Kate.
Short or not, I believe he did the right thing, even if it was just to see his sick father, because Harry is a good person. I find that inspiring.
Important to remember that to Harry being a role model is important. If Charles dies tomorrow he can feel like he got closure of some sort. If you read Spare you will realize that 30-45 mins of private time with his dad is monumental. I applaud this effort by Harry to show how reconciliation between estranged family members can look on a global scale.
I think Harry definitely knew it was a long trip that would result in very little face time.
But where did a 14hr flight come from? Non-stop from LAX is 10.5 hrs. 14 maybe with travel time….
Harry did the right thing. He showed up when it mattered. I think he knows exactly who his father is and probably anticipated this meeting would be very short. I still think Charles was happy to see him, even for only 45 minutes. But he should have made other arrangements for that day.
But this is just who Charles is, I don’t think he ever gives anyone any time. He literally left after Diana gave birth to go and play polo.
I doubt Willie has bothered to visit him, just like his sick wife.
Charles can look as emotional as he likes this is plainly cruel and unnecessary.
Both Diana’s parents, both Charles’ parents and Diana have died. Charles is Harry’s last parent/grandparent alive. Of course he wanted to see his dad before treatments were actively underway. Harry loves his Dad. Charles is deeply flawed and a weak man, but loves both of his sons in a passive and ultimately destructive way. I also think Harry and Charles knew Harry had to make an appearance or the media would have went haywire on them both. The rota want the money Harry generates. Harry would not have been able to appear at any charity event without an uproar if he hadn’t visited Charles. It is sad the media covers Harry so thoroughly and has such savage expectations for him but the future king is not held to any standards by the press. This entire situation (wiglet not having a single photo op, the complete Middleton silence, baldWilly more or less vanishing and not being expected to make appearances) and the media coverage of it all does not make any sense.
Harry showed them all how to behave at a time of family crisis. His father showed he is still a selfish, dogsht human being with a wife who rules the roost, and Billy brainless showed the world what a sulky, dullard, lazy, incandescent little twit he is. His father needed his heir to step up, and Billy brainless couldn’t be bothered. No he’s not at home with his wife, I doubt she’s there either. But if she is she has staff and a husband who was probably sat in the corner, hugging a pillow with his thumb either up his arse or in his mouth until he was sure Harry had left the country
It’s good to hear from you, @Mary Pester. Things are nuts right now. Hope you’re feeling better.
Lovely to see you back, @MaryP, how are you doing?
Hiya, @MaryPester! Quite the sh*tshow you came back to, eh? Welcome to Billy Boy’s worst nightmare!
Hi Beverly, Teagirl and Beaniebean, glad to be back with you all xx and your right, it’s really hitting the Royal fan isn’t it, soooooo NOT sorry for any of them and even though, even as a veteran I don’t condone violence, I would so love to smack that smug grin of camzillas face lol, I wonder what Billy and barbie are hiding because it’s something big!! Hence the rictus grin on the gremlin
Mary, what do you think is happening with Willnot and Cannot? I have an inkling he’s in deep doo-doo about whatever happened to Kate and he is persona non grata for everything but the most menial of royal *work* (an investiture FFS). And do you think there’s going to be a dump of info soon? Your theories are always spot on!
@JADED, Will know more next week when Heather is home again, but, I was told to watch out for the news after Harry and Megan have been to Canada (a commonwealth country), it would seem that William has a lot to answer for 😉, and camzilla knows an awful lot. It would have been out by now but they have known about Charlie boy having cancer since BEFORE the op on his postate, and what ever has “happened”,is being covered by Charlie boy monopolising the press. Harry was needed one, to see his dad and two for paperwork that couldn’t be sent through despatches!! Maybe they couldn’t risk Harry being seen going into a British embassy in the US!!! I can’t wait for Heather to get back!!! By the way Jaded, notice Mr Morgan is very quiet
@Mary Pester — thanks my love. I’m Canadian and live on Vancouver Island so we’re all geared up for their visit next week in prep for Invictus. I agree, the cancer diagnosis came before the prostate thing which was likely a red herring. Yes, Mr. Piss Moron has been unusually reticent about this, as are many other guttersnipe reporters with the exception of the royal butt kissers. I think, one way or another, William is in deep doo-doo. Looking forward to you hearing from your pal Heather.
Feel better!
A transcontinental/transatlantic flight, round trip, for face time that can be done on Zoom. But I can see Harry felt the need to make the trip; it gave home the chance to get things off his chest and let Pa know he hopes he’s OK but he and Meghan will not help out the Firm and will not bail out William.
Different perspective- I’m speaking as someone who had problematic parents that I chose to separate from.
The shortness of the meeting could have been Harry’s choice and not Charles. It’s possible that Harry wants to show support for his father’s health situation while still maintaining the boundaries he has set in place for his own family. “Dad, I’m here because I love you, but I’m not coming back to get involved in family drama again.” Something like that. Just a theory.
Sure, but—that helicopter was booked & flying into BP at a specific time. It’s possible Harry said I’m coming, Charles said well I’ve got a chopper coming at x time, but sure, we can meet for a few minutes until I need to leave. And Harry was good with that.
@BeanieBean, isn’t he the King? The helicopter flies when the King wants it to fly. It might be, he had plans and didn’t want to change them. That’s his prerogative. But, no one is telling the King of UK he can’t change the timing of the helicopter.
“Of course, a normal parent would have gussied up the guest room and served tea and made sure that their child would stay for dinner. Not Charles.”
That is so true, and it really really sucks
If Harry only meant to show up after the cancer diagnosis, then Charles mangled the optics for all the rest of us who aren’t royalists. It looks imperious and ungenerous to give his son “less than 45 minutes” after Harry dropped everything to fly from CA. But Charles DOES look very emotional in those photos like he was crying, so maybe there was a particular reason for Harry to need to be there briefly? Did he get removed as CoS? And why does Camilla look so smug? Nothing about her sits right. Everything is falling apart and she looks happier and more peaceful than ever.
I am Team Sussex all the way but I am also an old woman. I’ve had cancer and I’ve had friends and relatives who have had it. And died.
Cancer can be HARD and unforgiving. 5 minutes of sitting up and chatting can be an ordeal physically. I also know that 5 minutes can accomplish a lot of emotional positivity. I hope that the King recovers. I hope his treatments are not too devastating.
At the same time, I am alarmed by the fact that we have no proof of life from Kate. Waving at a window or making a statement seems essential.
Cancer is a liminal stage between life and death–even those who have a perfect cure in the end, struggle with big existential questions. Cancer takes so much time and energy away from a person. Potentially at least.
The failure of the Wails is what is much more alarming than anything else right now. I think that cancer brings out a lot of “reality” and Harry’s instincts were perfect. The Wails seem nihilistic in their approach.
Re: the length of the meeting between father and son, other than staff, I doubt Charles sees anyone for longer than 45 minutes each day, including his wife.
This whole episode is so revealing about Harry and Charles.
Harry is such a good man that he will fly across the globe to visit his father after a cancer diagnosis. Not because he expects anything, but because it’s the right thing to do. And then he’ll stealthily exit the scene for the sake of his mental health and fly back to the family to whom he’s devoted.
Charles is such a terrible father, and so accustomed to getting and not giving, that he’ll only receive Harry for 30-45 minutes. And then the self-pitying Charles will be photographed crying — probably for himself.
That’s father and son in a nutshell.
Apparently Charles now complains that Harry arrived “unbidden”.
11,000 miles.
30 minutes.
> “That’s father and son in a nutshell.”
Omgosh, I want to throw up after reading that absolutely asinine article about Harry’s visit. That woman lives in such a fantasy world! I rarely click on a link to DailyFail, but I wanted to see how they could twist Harry doing such a lovely thing around to make it bad..wow… I would have laughed out loud if it wasn’t so disgusting.
I will only say this one thing in defense of Charles/William/QE2, ever:
I think it is next to impossible to be a good parent (or frankly, person) when you are brought up as the heir to the throne, and it is part of the reason I think monarchy is so evil.
You are taught that YOU are chosen BY GOD to rule over everyone else. YOU are so special that people are *literally* bowing to you from the moment you are born. You are right, always. You are the center of everyone’s attention, always. The world revolves around you, always. Thousands gather to watch you walk to church for goodness sake.
That would create someone so far beyond spoiled or self-centered I dont even have the words to accurately describe it. You know that rich spoiled person in your life who is the worst? This is that but blown into the stratosphere.
So, unsurprisingly, this person would have incredible difficulty seeing beyond themselves because they quite literally never had to or would even consider it because they are the chosen ones.
To be clear, none of that means that Harry or Meg or their kids should subject themselves to this family. But I do think that Harry also understands this dynamic, and that’s why he is forgiving of his father to the extent that he is.
This is nonsense. Although Elizabeth was a distant and emotionless mother, she protected her children and didn’t treat them like the filth that Charles treats Harry now. She had a relationship with all of her four children, their spouses, and her eight grandchildren. Charles barely has a relationship with Harry, cannot stand his daughter-in-law Meghan, and he never acknowledged his two grandchildren.
To me, these are two different expressions of the same problem.
Was Queen Elizabeth distant and emotionless because she felt like she had to be because she was the queen, or because she didn’t feel like she needed to cater to her children’s emotions? Either way it’s not great and IMO certainly not the defense you seem to think it is. That being said, I agree she certainly was better than Charles…but that’s just relatively speaking.
Furthermore, she protected Andrew to protect the monarchy or because she didn’t believe he deserved to be punished for what he did. I don’t think that sounds like a good mother, or a good person.
Harry deserves better but at least his conscience is clear because he made a huge effort to see his dad. If Charles didn’t… well that’s on him not Harry.
This very brief visit is to be expected. Knowing Harry’s feelings about KCIII’s wife, it’s not like the King and his side chick would have offered Harry lodging or have a meal with him or anything. Unwell Charles being whisked out of London and being flown to Sandringham is Camilla limiting Harry’s access to Charles.
My money’s on Harry just signed off on something, like leaving the line of succession and Charles realized he lost the only person who truly loved him. Good on ya Haz! You and Meghan created a beautiful life with an amazing future. Living in JOY is the best response.
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From what I read-there was some paper signing and Beatrice was at Charles’s home twice yesterday-I have no idea what this is about but it is more than seeing his father-his father is going into quarantine which will not allow people to get near him-I hope Camilla is careful doing royal duties and going home to Charles-whatever happened yesterday was very important that required Harry’s presence. God’s speed to Harry and his family-Best wishes for the royal family at this time of illness.