Celine Dion made a surprise appearance at the very end of Sunday night’s Grammys. She got a standing ovation from the audience as she stepped out to present Album of the Year. It all went sideways soon after, but not for Celine. Celine presented Taylor Swift with the AOTY Grammy and Taylor was too busy dragging Lana del Rey on stage and making faces at her producers to even notice Celine. Taylor snatched the Grammy from Celine’s hands without even acknowledging her. Backstage minutes later, Taylor made sure to pose for photos with Celine, and Taylor’s people put out stories about how there was no drama, etc. Meanwhile, an internet full of Celine-lovers lost their sh-t on Taylor for being so disrespectful to a queen. So what did Celine think of all of that?
Céline Dion made her sensational Grammys appearance to show that her illness is “not a death sentence” — and was unfazed by Taylor Swift’s alleged snub, sources told Page Six. The superstar, 55, has been battling Stiff-Person syndrome, a rare — and incurable — neurological disorder that makes walking difficult and has prevented her from singing the way she’s “used to.”
Dion was greeted with a standing ovation at the Crypto.com Arena in Los Angeles Sunday night as she stepped onstage to hand out the final award of the night, Album of the Year. And despite an alleged snub by the winner, Swift, one music insider said that Dion achieved what she wanted — to show everyone that she’s back.
Swift has been dragged online for not properly acknowledging Dion as she accepted the award, but an insider who knows the latter said Dion brushed it off.
“I don’t think Céline cared and they talked backstage afterwards. But Céline was just gracious and happy to be there,” the insider said. “Of course, the right thing would have been for Taylor to acknowledge her, like Adele did years ago.” When Dion presented Adele the Grammy for Song of the Year in 2017, the two warmly embraced and Adele made an “I’m not worthy” hand motion to Dion.
Backstage on Sunday, other luminaries paid respect to Dion and flocked to her dressing room. Page Six is told she sang with Steve Wonder — “they were just riffing,” said the insider — and caught up with Oprah Winfrey.
“She wanted to show everyone that she’s doing alright,” the insider said of Dion’s surprise appearance. “She has good days and bad days … it’s a painful disease, but it’s not a death sentence. She’s clearly capable of doing things and she wanted to show everyone that she’s back. She looked fantastic. The hope is that she will be able to perform.”
Dion was forced to cancel a world tour after she announced her illness last year, and has made rare public appearances since then. On Sunday night, she flew from her home in Las Vegas to Los Angeles — accompanied by a small entourage including her stylist Jay Roach — landing at 7 p.m. PST. She was escorted onstage by her son René-Charles Angélil, 23, presented the final award of the night to Swift and was on her way home by 9:30 p.m., we’re told.
“Of course, the right thing would have been for Taylor to acknowledge her, like Adele did years ago.” Sounds like Celine did notice that Taylor totally blanked her and it might have even bothered her. The thing is, Celine really is a lovely and gracious person (by all accounts) so I’m sure this story is more about Celine’s team being mad on her behalf and trying to refocus the story back on Celine.
Meanwhile, The Town podcast with Matthew Ringer had the inside story on what happened when Taylor and Celine left the Grammys stage, with Taylor’s team “scrambling” to fix Taylor’s mistake. Here’s the thing – if Taylor and her people had just come out and said “Taylor was caught up in the moment and she’s so sorry she didn’t acknowledge Celine properly, Taylor loves Celine and apologizes completely,” that would have been it, story over. But Taylor has an almost Trumpian attitude towards apologizing or acknowledging her mistakes.
not The Town casually confirming that "the Taylor camp knew immediately" her Celine snub was a "misstep" and that this photo was scrambled together as instant damage control https://t.co/OXb7OBhB9Z pic.twitter.com/2MvdY1XRhc
— Who? Weekly (@whoweekly) February 6, 2024
Photos courtesy of Getty.
Honestly Taylor was weird that night. I don’t know if it was alcohol or she took something else to relax. There was also a moment where she was putting her award on boygenius girl’s head to pose. She was not reading any body language cues.
Before her, Miley got award from Mariah and she first acknowledged how much she respected Mariah. So, Taylor’s behavior with Celine looked even more weird. There were even here swifties saying taylor didn’t want to touch Celine due to her illness, that’s why she blanked her. But, in the photos she is leaning on Celine. I don’t get why her team even tries to fix her mess. Swifties will create all the stories for her for free anyway.
Agreed. Miley won her first Grammy ever and had Mariah stand right beside her and told her how amazing she is. That’s how you do it. Artist recognizes artist. Show respect, it’s not that hard.
I’m with you here. Tay Tay seemed a bit off. This was a mistake and it’s the kind that bothers me. It’s Celine Dion. All she had to say was…well anything. Good lord .
Literally all she had to do was MAKE EYE CONTACT when she took the award from her hand, smile and say thank you like any decent person when someone hands you something. That’s it.
@K, yeah my point is, it wasn’t just Celine. She was roughhousing her producer (more than usual), dragging Lana to the stage even though she was giving clues she doesn’t want to, trying to pose with boygenius even though they just made a speech about former Grammy CEO’s sexual abuse and they were clearly emotional. She was acting like she was on her world.
Taylor was a mess. She was all over the place. The boygenius interaction was tone-deaf. That business with Lana was awful, she clearly didn’t want to go up on stage, she actually said no and was grabbing on to things to try to stop, but Taylor just dragged her. And that business with punching Jack – apparently they do this, but he looked somewhat over it.
Was she on something?
@Jensa, Actually, I first thought she was drunk, but she wasn’t slurring her speech. I think, she took something to relax. People are saying she is always extra in award shows, but this was totally different. She was extra animated. There are so much things happening in her life after a long time of staying away from spotlight. I wouldn’t be surprised, if she is trying to relax time to time with some medical help.
Also the butterfly story, Mariah loves butterflies.
I thought that story for Mariah was so sweet of Miley. I loved Miley at the awards. The Tina Turner tribute with her outfits and hair, the way she carried herself. She seemed so relaxed, confident and mature. Especially compared to Taylor…
Miley was great! A true artist who acknowledges another artist! She was still being Miley, but giving respect to everyone “Not everyone gets a Grammy, but everyone is spectacular!” That’s how it’s done!
Celine deserved much better! I’m glad that people spoke up in her defense afterwards.
SevenBlue, ITA that Taylor came across as drunk and/ or high, definitely “off.”
I agree that Taylor seemed off and that Celine deserved acknowledgment and respect. But I also have empathy for Taylor. I can’t imagine what it must be like to endure the level of scrutiny she’s been under for the last two weeks. She’s been the subject of a political conspiracy theory that every corner of the media has amplified. I can’t think of anyone on the planet who has had that much attention. Any human is bound to crack up under the weight of it all.
I’ll just say that Miley did the exact same thing to Meryl Streep when collecting her 2nd Grammy and no one said boo about it.
Also there is footage of Celine saying You’re welcome to Taylor after Taylor said something to her on stage.
It’s frustrating the double standard Taylor is held to and how she quite frankly just can’t win.
I’ve seen this same rationale expressed over on Threads. Talk about grasping at straws. Meryl Streep is not an icon of the music industry nor suffering from a painful disease that makes the act of her coming to the Grammys especially significant. And is there really a double standard if even your own team is rushing around trying to fix things backstage with a photo op?
I think it was the booze. She was acting drunk.
I don’t know about taking something to relax, she seemed more up and manic than relaxed. I’ve seen some speculation about coke, but I find that really hard to believe. Maybe she swiped a friend’s adderall or something like that. Either way, it was weird and I don’t buy it was just alcohol.
She was also manhandling Ed Sheeran at an after party. Just really bizarre behavior from her that I’ve never seen before.
I hope she was messed up. Good for her. ENJOY! YOLO
Taylor comes across as so fake&was rude on stage.
Then again I already didn’t like her before this so my judgement is clouded.
I agree @Inge! She’s talented, no doubt, and even though I’m not into her music AT ALL, I give her credit for being able to play instruments. But… every time I see her reacting to anything (an award or the Chiefs scoring/win) it’s SO performative looking! She’s always got this gaping wide mouth reactions that don’t seem genuine to me.
Of course, CD was unbothered by the snub. After dealing with this disease, Celine knows there are more important things than having Taylor Swift acknowledge her existence.
She was clearly bothered enough to have someone in her circle point out that Adele gave her props. Sick or not, she left her home to do this–which the audience acknowledged by giving her a standing ovation. Taylor seems to be believing her own hype.
I think it did bother Celine, the “snub”, her expression in the picture says it all, to me Celine is like is it over yet get me out of here!!…a simple thank you from Taylor would have been nice
In her remarks before presenting the award, Celine mentioned that she still remembers being presented the AOTY award by “two legends, Diana Ross and Sting.” She still acknowledges and appreciates her musical elders 27 years later, so I think she was likely surprised that Taylor blanked on her in the moment but it’s good that she’s not dwelling on it.
I think Céline must have been a bit bothered about it, even if she seems the type to brush it off and not make a fuss. This appearance must have been quite a big deal for her, what with her illness and everything. Taylor was crass and rude.
In deference to THE Celine Dion:
“Taylor who?”
I don’t have the patience,
I’m sick of society – including women – demanding perfection from women, can’t have a “misstep”!
And making men clear the bar of- well, he’s not criminally abusive- making an exception for some hot abusive guys (Brad Pitt)
What are you talking about, it is a misstep, she was rude impolite immature, it’s not about women, it about standard respect and minimum class and etiquette from one younger artist to a legend right before her eyes. And Brad IS an abuser.
I agree it was a misstep but do we expect men to perform gratitude and humility in the same way? Like…would we be calling the same actions by a man a misstep? I kind of think not? And I think that is what some people are responding to in this whole conversation of what Taylor should have done and how egregious or not was her fumble with Celine onstage.
@Kate, yes, if a man, who is on the top of the world, behaved like Taylor did on an important industry event, we would call him out too. No one expects Taylor to behave like she didn’t deserve the awards she is getting. She was disrespectful to multiple people on Grammys. There is nothing wrong with calling it out, especially knowing Taylor’s team always watches what people are saying. It would be nice if she showed a little more respect to people next time after seeing the reactions. That’s all.
@sevenblue I agree she made a mistake and I thought her behavior was pretty cringey for a lot of the awards show, including deciding to announce a new album. But I disagree that the commentary would be the same if it had been a man. I do think it’s a good discussion to have and valid to acknowledge people’s mistakes, but I also think that we have different expectations around performed gratitude for men than for women and that is something we should also examine.
@Kate, no one is saying Taylor should be “humble Queen”. She was dragging people, putting award to someone’s head, roughhousing her producer. Celine’s situation isn’t about humility either. She treated her like an extra, didn’t look at her face while getting the award. Come on now. There is no “feminism” issue here. It is the disrespect we are calling out.
@sevenblue I think it can be true that Taylor acted poorly and made a mistake AND that the public’s reaction to that mistake is greater/more intense than if she had been a man. It seems you disagree with the second part and that’s fine, we’ll just have to agree to disagree there.
I don’t agree with the logic that she should apologize to the internet? I imagine she did apologize in the moment to Celine Dion to get this picture.
She wasn’t perfect and we all cringed a bit but we should maybe stop and think about what we (the internet, the social media, the gossip mags) are shaming her over. A successful young woman wasn’t as gracious as society wanted her to be for one brief moment. The horror.
She was super rude, there’s no excuse for how she behaved. No one is shaming her by pointing that out.
Multiple posts dedicated to one moment of perceived rudeness is a little more than pointing it out, imho.
Funny, I didn’t see articles calling out Maria for leaving Stevie Wonder standing there holding a mic, or Trevor Noah dumping an award in Joni Mitchell’s lap. Where’s the outrage? Poor TS has had an abnormal amount of attention directed at her of late – no matter how long she’s been in the game, it cannot be easy.
So I don’t think people should necessarily be celebrating Taylor’s misstep, like yay we have something to pillor her about. But it’s fair to recognize that it was a misstep. She could have acknowledged Celine in that moment. And she didn’t. That said, it doesn’t make her the most horrible person in the world. Obviously, that place is reserved for people like Brad Pitt. It just doesn’t do any good to deny that it was a misstep. It happened. Learn and move on.
This.
Kaiser pointed out Taylor’s inability to admit she’s wrong, but there’s also a weird dynamic with her fans where they won’t admit it either. Anytime someone points out that she made a mistake, did something wrong, or that her actions could be viewed as problematic it becomes why are you criticizing women. Pointing out that she was slightly rude becomes not allowing her to make any misstep, pointing out that the person that she’s dating has said pretty gross things, it becomes judging her for the actions of other people. It’s like she can never be wrong only wronged which is silly because she’s just a person who isn’t going to always do the right thing. Like you said acknowledge it and move on, this desire to always make her right as they twist themselves into knots to make her the wronged party is so bizarre.
Oh, here we go with the predictable “anything that Taylor gets criticized for must be because of sexism” BS 😴
I know. This mental gymnastics is literally cult-like. Even when it’s obvious that Celine’s team put this out there, despite their “make up” photo where Taylor looks like a massive hanger-on. Nowhere in there did they say Taylor apologized for the snub…because Taylor does not apologize. The Ice Spice thing, it’s like “let’s somehow make more money before I say my BF is a jerk for dissing and being racist towards you!” No matter how “fun” or “happy” she is right now, she still can’t apologize or admit when she’s wrong, from the little (snub) to the huge (rolling out MH). The only time she’s ever publicly apologized was to Nicki Minaj, and that made her seem like a much better person. Too bad it was a long time ago.
Her fans are like Trump’s who see no wrongs.
Oh, please. She was rude. Has nothing to do with her being a woman. Anytime Taylor is criticized Swifties trot out “it’s misogyny and sexism to point out the VERY valid thing”.
This is why so many people don’t like her fandom. Or her.
I think taylor is embarrassed to have acted like a classless crazy immature teen, everything about going up that stage was CRINNNNGE and I think she’s hiding. Taylor Swift is her own enemy, she ruined the moment for herself, everybody under that roof was disgusted by the bratt they saw and so sad for Celine.
I think she knows she made a mistake and is embarrassed. I am sure she apologized to Celine, considering she thanked her on stage at the end of her speech she seemed to realize in the moment she f’ed up.
However, the girl is not hiding she is performing sold out shows in Japan.
Awards show Taylor is my least favourite Taylor.
THIS!!!! I don’t know why, but she is so different at awards shows. Maybe in her mind she is still trying to fit in (I get super different when I am uncomfortable, I never like myself in a large group-even if with all my friends).
It’s because she binge drinks at every award show. She gets halfway drunk and it shows.
It’s cos she can never just sit in her seat and behave. She’s constantly trying hijack everyone else’s moment to get all the attention on herself. You never see Beyoncé acting like this at award shows.
Yup. There are videos that show her jumping around like an attention-seeking idiot during SZA’s speech, so much that SZA had to stop and say “oh, hey Taylor”. During the actual show it seemed like she said it out of nowhere, but new footage came out afterward showing the audience from behind. Taylor’s such a self-centered jackass. Really wish someone else had won AOTY, because she frankly didn’t deserve it.
I posted my analysis in a comment below of why Taylor does this. Anyway she now inserted herself into SZA Grammy winning moment forever. She does this all the time.
Even at the golden globes when Emma stone won (I know she’s friends with her), Emma got asked about it afterwards. Fair enough, but Emma keeps getting asked about Taylor, and now Taylor is getting free publicity off the back of Poor Things Oscar campaign.
And we also have the Super Bowl to look forward to, which will definitely be another Taylor fest. She doesn’t need to perform the half time show to make it all about herself.
@February
You do realize that you just blamed Taylor for a question that someone ELSE asked of Emma? How’s that different from blaming her for the camera panning to her at football games? She doesn’t control either.
Happy miley cyrus performing after winning an award is my favorite!!
I’m not the biggest Miley fan, but I did think that was fun. She was very excited and honored, you could tell.
So didn’t Taylor see Celine come out to the present the award? Or is it that she was so wrapped up in winning that she forgot to acknowledge Celine who handed her the award. Either way it’s just bad.
There was a photo circulating, people were standing listening to Celine’s speech. Taylor was on her phone on her table. I think, she didn’t think she is gonna win AOTY, so she checked out, didn’t pay attention to what’s happening on the stage before they read the nominees.
Taylor fumbled the moment on stage but she was definitely on her feet applauding Celine when she first came out.
@Kate, it was during the speech. I am not sure they showed Taylor during the speech.
Seven blue they showed her during the speech she was the first on her feet clapping she was up and acknowledging Celine. Now she clearly did not think she was winning the award that was painfully obvious but she did clap and acknowledge Celine.
For all the bashing people like to do of Swifities the people that hate her just make shit up that she never even does.
@Lisa, I am not hating on Taylor (everyone commenting on her isn’t a hater, this is a gossip blog, we are gossiping about all celebs, regarding every comment as hate is a weird behavior). I saw a photo of Jon Batiste listening to Celine’s speech, on the background Taylor was on her phone. So, I thought, she was distracted, didn’t pay attention during her speech, which somewhat explains her behavior. If it wasn’t a pic from that moment, that’s fine. Then, she listened to Celine’s speech about how she remembered getting her award from legends and still disrespected her when she was getting her award from a legend.
This is who she is though- a mean girl. She’s a victim of that celebrity arrested development where you stay the same mental age you were when you got famous. Every candid clip I have seen of her, she is dismissive, judgemental, and/or condescending. Respect the heck out of her business acumen and talent and my kid is a bit of a Swiftie, but this girl is a classic DARVO case, a bully who likes to act likes she’s the one being victimized.
ALL OF THIS. I say this all the time. Taylor became famous at 19. And even at 34 she still acts like a teenage girl in high school. And then the fact that her fans infantilize her and she casts herself as a victim in all scenarios…it just feeds into it. She is most definitely a mean girl. Her feminism is centered are HER.
She is permanently stuck in high school. That’s probably why so many kids like her music, because it all about seeking revenge after getting dumped by your crush.
She still gets treated like the underdog who ‘was different’ to all the other girls. But she has Regina George aspirations, hence her little squad of Instagram model hangers on.
See I don’t think it is Taylor that is stuck in high school I think it is the women watching her make an error and creating entire narratives about her and everyone else at the Grammys that are permanently stuck in high school.
I think it is the people who hate a celebrity so much that they assign traits, behaviors and personalities to them and then stalk articles about them instead of ignoring them.
That seems more stuck in high school then anything Taylor is doing.
@Lisa. Agreed. It is mind blowing that the same people circling like vultures think Taylor Swift is the mean girl and accuse anyone that dares to interject a more neutral view of somehow twisting the facts out of some kind of fan girl loyalty. I should really just ignore these threads. I like TS but am not a die hard yet these threads get me all riled up.
@Christy exactly!! And look she was rude, and I will be honest I found her off the entire night. I think she thought she’d get one of the smaller of the 6 she was nominated for and that would be it, and wasn’t really prepared for the big one.
She was rude in that moment with Celine there was no question but to act like she was this stuck in high school, attention stealing mean girl who is stuck in high school when her behavior doesn’t show that and you know damn well if she didn’t jump up and clap for everyone what the narrative would be.
People are really making a mountain out of a molehill. So an artist won an award and didn’t ‘properly’ recognize the presenter. This is ridiculous. Would this happen if this was anyone but a successful woman? If there is an issue, it’s between 2 grown women, Taylor and Celine, who are more than capable of fixing it themselves. Enough said.
It wasn’t just a presenter, it was THEE Celine Dion, a legend. Put some respect on her name please.
See how Miley Cyrus showed respect to Mariah Carey, that’s how you do it. Taylor was rude period….But her fans will always claim sexism any time she’s rightfully criticised.
The same Miley Cyrus how has publicly bashed and mocked Mariah? Who used to go around and make fun of Mariah? That Miley?
Say what you want about Taylor and she was wrong in this moment no question, she did not handle herself with grace, but she has never done that.
The presenter was Celine Dion. Who is currently battling a horrendous disease that has left her unable to perform and hadn’t been seen in public in nearly a year. But yes- let’s make Taylor out to be the victim – yet again.
“A presenter”? What rock are you living under? At a minimum, she needed to read the room. Everyone gave Celine a standing ovation. At this point, I’m not even sure it was a misstep; it may be out and out jealousy that she hasn’t achieved Celine’s iconic status yet.
@Mimi,
exactly – everyone. Including Taylor. So, from Taylor’s POV: Celine comes out on stage, she jumps to her feet, gives her a standing ovation, acknowledging her legend status. So, perhaps when she went on stage, she considered that done and over with already? I was a part of a group that once won a tiny insignificant award, and I can tell you that even then, the surprise, trying to coordinate who goes on stage, who speaks, saying what made the win a total confusing blur. I’m sure it’s amplified thousand-fold for a top televised award like that. She didn’t make the most gracious choice in the split second she had to react. Unfortunate? Yes, I’d kick myself, I’m sure she does too. But is it the end of the world and a clear indication that she’s rude and wanted to disrespect Celine? Hardly.
When Taylor is at awards shows she’s always determined to get as much attention as possible. Whenever another female wins an award, she’s the first one standing and jumping up and down. Her fans will see this and repost online in their thousands saying ‘it’s so great she supports other women’.
What she’s also doing is hijacking other peoples moments by inserting herself into their narrative. She did that at the golden globes when Barbie won (and she lost).
I think the celine snub may have just been a genuine mishap, but also Taylor doesn’t want anyone stepping on her moment either. Celine got a huge reaction, and Taylor may have not wanted to share HER moment with her. But she’ll still drag Lana deal Rey on stage just to prove she not all about herself (when she is).
Wow, this is delulu, and I can’t even imagine the diatribe you’d write if she wasn’t the first one up and clapping for the awards she lost.
And yes Taylor was wrong in how she reacted on stage but all the rest of this as post is nuts. She should have acknowledge Celine, she was not graceful and was rude. Her clapping for others winners is not attention seeking. You sound like those maga freaks about the football games.
Agree with everything u said February Pisces! Taylor is selfish, fake, immature and just sucks as a person.
@lisa, Instagram is awash of videos of Taylor jumping up for every female, celebrating how amazing she is. This is exactly why she does this, because your girl is all about promoting HERSELF, and none of the artists she stood for. She would destroy any of those female artists in a second like she did Katy Perry.
Or she is having fun and likes their work. And if Taylor just sat there you’d complain and bash her for that. She didn’t pull focus. She is the biggest star in the world no one comes close she will get attention.
These were the highest rated Grammys in years because of HER. That is why they show her constantly same with the NFL.
Or maybe she is truly excited and celebrating them? Or maybe she isn’t but knows the camera will be on her constantly and if she doesn’t people will write think pieces about it and it will take from their moment.
She is the most famous person in the world, no one else comes close. The camera is going to be on her, and let’s be real if she didn’t dance and clap and celebrate you’d attack her for that.
The Grammy’s had a huge increase in ratings, just like the NFL did this year and that was because of her, even though I’d like to give the credit to Tracy Chapman, it was Taylor. So she knew the camera was on her so she celebrated all the artists and thank god she did when everyone other than her and Kelly Clarkson just sat there and looked bored.
Look you hate her and that is fine, I get it. But you are clearly looking for reasons to find fault and place negative traits on her.
Sorry Feb- my computer is super delayed so i am getting double posts and showing stuff not coming up didn’t mean to reply twice.
@lisa do any Taylor fans actually think about what’s it’s like to be on the receiving if end of her revenge songs? When Taylor doesn’t like someone all she has to do is rile up her fans to go and bully them. She has the power to ruin anyone at the drop of a hat, and she’s has no problem doing it.
That Bad Blood video, which starred a dozen celebrities siding with Taylor, did anyone think what it must of been like for Katy Perry to be on the receiving end of that? That’s what bullies do, they form cliques, or in Taylor’s case “squads’ to show how powerful they are. No one stuck up for Katy Perry, literally no one.
Sorry but if Taylor was a half decent person she would focus of forgiveness more than revenge.
If Taylor sat there and clapped for other winners? It would be completely fine. Other artists do it and it is completely.FINE.
Taylor centers herself like February Pisces said. She gets up and dances to every song – it seems supportive, but it means she blocks the people in back of her and the camera focuses on her.
If that’s not how you interpret it that’s fine. But it doesn’t mean that it doesn’t come across that way to a lot of other people.
And no, it doesn’t make those people “haters.” Are we not allowed to criticize Taylor without being accused of being jealous, of hating women, or whatever?
My last line is really the crux of this post. People are saying that this incident with Celine is being “dragged out” but I think its more to do with the reaction of the Swiftie fanbase. I mentioned this yesterday but Luvvie Jones had some GREAT posts on social media about weaponized femininity and how Taylor uses that to insulate herself from criticism.
If Taylor gets a papercut, she’s defended. Other stars are not given that same grace.
It’s no surprise there’s pushback against that.
You’re a huge swiftie and we all get that. but sometimes looking at things from a different perspective can help you see where others are coming from, and its not automatically a place of being anti-women.
@Becks1 I am not a huge Swiftie. I don’t call myself a name about any celeb I like her music and think she is fine. I however, don’t know her and wont’ assign personalities and traits to someone I don’t know. I have repeatedly said she behaved poorly in the Celine moment.
Also Swifties don’t do anything the Beehives doesn’t do. Or any other massive fanbase doesn’t do. This is what extreme fans do, it is not unique to Taylor but the need some have to make Taylor evil or some big like thing is over the top and I find it exhausting.
She wasn’t great at the Grammys she had a bad performance and behaved poorly but the reality is the think pieces and the overwrought analysis crap is performative and to much. It is trying to make people sound smart and thoughtful over something that was not that serious.
I would also say since I am willing to look at her from several perspectives and call her behavior out and you seem to only see yours. Maybe you should take your own advice.
You say you thought she behaved poorly and yet you’ve been up and down this post insulting and berating anyone who is criticizing her more than what you are willing to do. And you are blaming other fanbases for what the Swift fanbase is doing.
Trust me, I’ve looked at her from many perspectives and I’m okay where I am, thanks. I don’t think she’s evil, I don’t think she’s a left wing puppet, I don’t think shes….whatever MAGA is saying she is.
I do think she is incredibly protected because of her whiteness in a way that artists of color are not.
@becks I have not insulted or berated anyone on this thread. I also have not blamed any other fanbase. I pointed out that all extreme fans are the same because they are which is just a fact. If you feel the need to make stuff up about people then you’ve lost the argument.
If Taylor offends you ignore her. It isn’t hard. I do it with the royal family and the kardashians.
Being annoyed by both taylor swift and the constant overdone criticism of her is such a weird place to be.
Yes! This is very much where I find myself as well
I agree it’s a weird place to be. Especially considering that most of the criticism of her is pretty valid.
:)) No one said invalid. I said constant and overdone and therefore annoying.
If I’m allowed an opinion, that is.
Eh we are days post Grammy show and people are still complaining about something minor.
@Fancyhat – you know what? You’re right. Let’s talk about Taylor stealing from Black artists and creatives and not crediting them instead.
@Ameerah- I think that is an actually worthy topic of conversation, versus a multi day dialogue about the winner of an award not centering the person who handed her the award.
I think that’s what a lot of us are trying to say here, we’re not disagreeing with you. There are very legitimate reasons to criticize TS. This doesn’t even crack the top 20.
That is exactly where I am with her, almost always. Well said.
I started a personal “Days Without Hearing About Taylor Swift’ countdown, like those “days without a safety incident at work” ones. It’s been at zero for a while now.
I actually know how you do this, because I had to do it with the Royal family. Because I think they are all worthless trash from Charles to Meghan, all of them and I felt like I couldn’t escape them same with the Kardashians. But I got rid of them.
First when I come here- I never go to those articles I just ignore which means some days I read nothing. Second on social media I never like anything they are mentioned in even if it is a designer posting about one of their designs and I like the dress. Nope sorry you mention Kate where a dress no likes. Meghan has your bag and it’s awesome I scroll. I also stopped liking and engaging with people who post a lot about them even on other topics which is kind of sad but they are gone.
I get no Kardashian content, and outside of the stuff that makes CNN I get no Royal family content. I don’t know what they wear, any event. I made them disappear almost. Now it took some time and a lot of will power but I did it. And since those two families annoy me so much I am glad i did because I am happier for it.
No one likes to admit it, but Taylor has reached “bitch eating crackers” level of fame. If you’re not a fan of hers, literally everything she does is criticism worthy. Should she have paid more attention to Celine handing her the award? Obviously. Does it deserve three days of coverage and complete negation of every other positive thing she has done or continues to do? Absolutely not. She cannot breathe without people jumping on her to put her back in her place. How dare she not be perfect?
That may be true. It also does the handy job of making any actual criticism of her that’s warranted be swept into that category as well. Was this a launch the nukes worthy event? No. She was rude like everyone else on the planet is occasionally. However she was rude just slightly pointing that out should not be put in the same category as she didn’t smile enough, or was upset she didn’t win, or any other minor thing that every other person experiences. And she absolutely does overcompensate for her discomfort which leads to things like that awkward picture backstage
I think Jessica’s point is that her being rude probably doesn’t really deserve 3 days worth of coverage.
Sevenblue- there are other places on the internet besides Celebitchy.
@slush and my point was that overreactions to things like slight rudeness buries being legitimately criticized for being rude. Turns the conversation away from what people are addressing and makes it about something else so outlandish the original criticism and it’s legitimacy is lost.
“Bitch eating crackers” level of fame. Best comment on this whole fiasco.
Kaiser’s last paragraph and a few of the comments here sum it up well. It was rude but it wasn’t the end of the world but the very clear and immediate stampede by her PR and her fans to paper it over and swear to the moon and the stars that it wasn’t rude is really distasteful. And to me, it’s that reaction that has prolonged the criticism beyond the necessary point. That’s it. No sexism, mysoginy or whatever else people want to lash out with. In fact, even if it hadn’t been Celine giving her the award, but some random person and she took it from them like that with no eye contact or “thank you”, it still would have been rude. It’s just made more noticeable by the fact that it was THE Celine Dion. This culture of stanning where people’s favourite celebrities can do no wrong is so harmful.
Yeah, this is it.
I agree. The absolute meltdown her fans have when anyone says anything critical about their Tortured White Billionaire With a Private Jet Poet Queen is… something else. Even if TWBWAPJPQ was drunk or excited, she was rude. That’s all. She could have accepted responsibility and publicly apologized but no she needs to Snake army out here to tell everyone who dares tell their TWBWAPJPQ she made a misstep that their pitiful lives are one giant misstep because they are clearly misogynists and haters who can’t understand her. It’s… a lot. And the way the snake fam reacts to things is what draws it out usually.
Are her fans any different from any other insane fan group..Beyonce’s etc?
Oh sweetie you are the one calling people unhinged because they don’t agree with you. I mean hell yesterday you dismissed actual horrific terrorist events in this country as “a long time ago” when people pointed out a date is hard to pick that won’t have a tragedy. Now you try to throw her race into the convo. Just stop.
@Lisa …No.
Ahhhh, you said it… finally: she does absolutely have Trump vibes: can’t apologize, performative activism/concern, always the victim and bananas cult of personality. The fans who can’t see that she is a human with multi-facets, many of which, some of us feel are shitty/icky… she is hard working af, and she is creative and talented; she is also self-serving, not a genuine (by actual definition) feminist and seems developmentally stunted, which many of us also understand can happen when some huge life shift (fame!) happens earlier in life. Amen. Hopefully, I keep my mouth shut forever on this topic from this point onward. (It is juicy, juicy gossip fodder!)
Lol it goes together with her trying to sue the guy who created the website to shame rich people using their private jets like we use public transports.
Just saw something where fans put a community comment on a tweet about this saying that she’s not suing him, she just sent a cease and desist letter. LOL.
The inability to take the L is a real turnoff for ordinary people. She’s acting like she’s afraid to lose her fans, but she’s just pushing away the normies. At least the ones who are online.
It’s interesting that he is naming and shaming Taylor while ignoring the 30 celebrities that fly private more than her.
This. Also that she has stalkers and gets death threats and isn’t that a legitimate concern about security?
The article I read said that he was also tracking Bezos, Zuckerberg, Musk, Trump, A-Rod, Bill Gates, Mark Cuban, Kenny Chesney, Drake, and others.
Not even a Taylor fan, but with her touring schedule, is she supposed to wait at the airport 3 hours before with us poors and risk being late to her own concert? Not to mention the baggage she must lug around and the people who fly with her to each venue. There’s enough to be outraged about, but her using private to fly kinda makes sense.
I don’t think anybody expects her to fly commercial. They just think it’s excessive for her to fly back to New York between every damn show. She flew from Argentina to New York for three days then back to Brazil. She really couldn’t have just hung out in South America for a couple of days? Done some sightseeing? That’s one of like 30 examples of her excessively flying her private jet back to New York between her shows. I know the swifties will say “but she was recording her album!” Tell that to our dying planet 🙄
@Kebbie her Private Plane use is to much but she doesn’t crack the top 30 so all the bitching about it while not going after Bey, Travis Scott (who is number one and where is his unrecognizable ass going), Kim, Bill Gates etc shows that this isn’t about caring about the issue is being used as an excuse to bash Taylor.
Like I completely agree unless she has valid security reason she should just keep her but in Australia when she is there during the tour, and not come back and forth. But I also think it is ok to acknowledge that if you are going to call it out then you really should go after the worst offenders first and not the person who is going to get you clicks.
Like Jim Carry flies more than Taylor now where the fuck is Jim Carry going and why isn’t he on Delta? He isnt’ that famous?
Is it the same dude who tracks Elon’s jet? If it is, I have no problem with it. He’s shaming billionaires, not just women (which in this context usually just means Taylor).
See I was on the kids side when I thought he was posting about the CO2 emissions and focusing on the use of private planes, but he isn’t going after the worst offenders, he doesn’t even talk about CO2 or the environment.
He literally lets people know what airport and when Taylor is landing, like to the second, and considering the increase in death threats she’s getting lately I get her telling him to stop doing that. Like she has her usually stalkers that she has always had now she has Trump sending MAGA loons after her, so yeah I can see her not wanting some kid to do live tracking of the exact second her plane is going to land.
She isn’t telling him to stop calling out her CO2 emissions or environmental impact its the detailing her movements. Which I get.
Also he doesn’t call out Travis Scott who is the worst offender and what the hell is he doing?
But I do agree the plane use needs to be called out but her locations don’t need to be live streamed.
Taylor absolutely should have acknowledged Celine. Being drunk explains, but doesn’t excuse, her conduct. It was super cringe-y.
That said, the pile-on is exhausting. And comparing her to Trump, who is so deranged he thinks he’s more popular than she is? Let me know when she sexually assaults multiple people and tries to overturn the government. She’s far from the first pop star to inspire a cult-like following … I have a cousin who basically ruined his first marriage because he spent a year following Phish on the road (his poor ex-wife).
This was ALL OVER TVA here in Quebec: “Taylor Swift a snobbé La Reine” was the headline. They did not like it one bit.
I get that when you’re #1 everyone is gonna try to take you down, as Tay clearly is, and that Céline had a stipulation in her contracts about not being touched, but still. Not a good look.
“Céline had a stipulation in her contracts about not being touched”
Then, why was she leaning on her on the backstage photo? It was more than touching in that photo. You don’t have to touch someone to acknowledge them. This is just bad excuse, swifties can find a better one, I believe in them.
I remember when Madonna gave Celine an award for My Heart Will Go On. Madonna actually made a face when she announced Celine’s name and the song You could tell Céline Dion was thrilled to get the award from Madonna. Never like M that much before, but have despised her after that.
I just realized who Taylor reminds me of: Justin Timberlake.
Justin: May
TSwift: Mee hee hee
Very clear distinction.
Her behavior was strange all night, like she was on meds or something. Rude, yes, and wierd. That being said, the Taylor backlash was right on time. I read all these comments on several blogs about her being rude, not humble enough, annoying, full of herself, self promoting, etc. Can’t have women become too successful, then out comes the nitpicking. This stuff wouldn’t happen to a guy. Heck, one Grammy winner was arrested. But it’s okay, he’s a dude, so no worries. Can you imagine if Taylor did that? People would be writing her career obituary. It would be over for her. The bar for male bad behavior is too low while the bar for women is way too high, sadly.
I hope that Celine can get the stem cell treatment that another CB poster mentioned yesterday. Really happy to see Law Roach come out of retirement to put together her look. I worried that she was either cold or covering up her body with that coat, in any case she looked great.
Omg people are reading wayyyyyy to into this. Go feed your kids for godsake! Hahahhaha
Taylor is a jerk. She stole Nicki Minaj moment at “I beleive” the grammys as well. Totally started acting up, got her friends to stand up, got the camera to focus on her. It was foul. Worse thing was minaj couldnt complain.
She has a thing with women. She wants to be the focus, she wants to steal their light. She knew Celine dion, boygenuis,, and whoever else was having a moment strength. She wanted to steal that.
There are so many examples of her muscling in on other people’s award show moments. I think that’s one of the reasons Kanye felt comfortable running on the stage with her. She pulls those same stunts from her seat. I think she even got her good friend Selena gomez before. LOL. Just terrible.
“Here’s the thing – if Taylor and her people had just come out and said “Taylor was caught up in the moment and she’s so sorry she didn’t acknowledge Celine properly, Taylor loves Celine and apologizes completely,” that would have been it, story over. But Taylor has an almost Trumpian attitude towards apologizing or acknowledging her mistakes.”
This, exactly. This is overall not a huge deal at all. I think most people recognize that Taylor was caught up in the moment. It happens. But not acknowledging what happened and releasing that weird photo of them together instead was a bad move. Being humble for a moment and just saying “geez, I made goofy oversight in my excitement — I was so honored to be given this award by Celine, who is someone I admire so much” would make this the no biggie that it is and everyone would move on. Taylor refusing to just own up to this human mistake makes her look even worse.
I completely agree. The weird thing is, her fans copy that behavior. They complain that things like that get too much attention when it happens to Taylor, but the discussions get longer because they create some made-up reasons for her behavior, then fight with everyone on the comments not believing their dumb scenarios. Just say, “yeah that wasn’t cool, she was probably drunk / excited.”, don’t treat everyone with eyes like we are idiots and don’t call every commentator “hater” because of some valid criticism.
Have any of you ever made a mistake? Think about if you were a massive megastar being under constant pressure with scrutiny from literally EVERYONE. ALSO, think about how nervous you’d be about the evening and the idea of having to leave and get on a plane to Tokyo and perform a show you haven’t done in months. There was clearly A LOT on her mind. Nerves were playing a huge factor into how she was responding and reacting. Let’s also take a moment to understand that she’s still a human being. We have no idea what is going on behind-the-scenes…perhaps she had just dealt with drama before the ceremony. Taylor has also been first to thank presenters in the past (EX: N*Sync at last years’ VMAs). She told the Tokyo crowd she planned to tell them about her new album at the show, which means she didn’t even expect to win.
Can we just let people have their moment? It was NOT Celine winning the award. Is she amazing? Yes, of course. That’s a given. And just because one person thanked her during their awards speech, that doesn’t mean it’s a written rule to thank the presenter. They literally HAND THEM THE AWARD. Celine is an icon and we all know it. Taylor Swift doesn’t need to tell us. Let her have her history making moment and stop slamming people just because we don’t like ther music or style or the way they live their life.