Have you guys watched Scoop yet? It’s the Netflix movie based on Sam McAlister’s book of the same name, all about how BBC’s Newsnight scored their big Prince Andrew interview in 2019. Rufus Sewell plays Prince Andrew, Gillian Anderson plays Emily Maitlis and Billie Piper plays Sam McAlister. It also featured some fine supporting performances by Keeley Hawes and Romola Garai (I didn’t expect to see them and they are both so underrated). I thought Sewell was good as Andrew, especially in the interview scenes. You could tell that Sewell had really studied the interview and he really did mimic Andrew’s mannerisms and behaviors, although Sewell probably could have done a bit more to get Andrew’s voice. Gillian didn’t really bother to mimic Emily Maitlis’s voice either – it’s like Gillian was still doing Margaret Thatcher at various points in the movie.
So, obviously, Scoop has brought up the fact that the real Prince Andrew is still lingering around the royal family. Scoop tried to convince everyone in the postscript that Andrew had “given up his titles,” but that’s not true. He’s still His Royal Highness Prince Andrew, Duke of York, etc. Nothing has been removed or put into abeyance, he just doesn’t “use” the HRH anymore. But for all intents and purposes, Andrew is still very much an accepted part of the family. He’s been to more family events in the past year than Prince William, from Easter Sunday to King Constantine’s memorial service to the coronation to Christmas at Sandringham. Now the royal expert fusspots are crying because King Charles won’t simply put Andrew on an ice floe and set him out to sea:
Royal author Richard Fitzwilliams said the Netflix show was yet another very embarrassing situation for the Palace, while biographer and investigative journalist Tom Bower thinks it shows it is high time for Charles to act and remove the Duke from ‘public view’.
Mr Bower said: ‘To save the Royal Family from more horrendous damage, King Charles will finally need to order Prince Andrew to permanently stay out of public view. Senior officials also need to tell Andrew the truth. He is a serious liability and cannot be trusted or rescued. Unless King Charles firmly grasps this nettle it can only get worse’.
Mr Fitzwilliam said: ‘The film conveys the extraordinary sense of entitlement that Andrew had. He is told by his aide Amanda Thirsk to ‘just be himself’ and he is – that’s the most damning thing. It is very embarrassing for the Palace and simply another indication that Andrew is completely unfit for the Royal Family he was born into. The public’s view of him is already ghastly and couldn’t be worse so this will confirm people’s opinions. The film also adds a new dimension by portraying his childlike side – such as the scene featuring his teddy bears.’
‘The person we see in the film doesn’t seem to have any idea of reality. It shows how people in a privileged position can become completely out of touch.’
I was a bit astonished that they actually put Andrew’s teddy bears in there. There’s so much cognitive dissonance within the film too – you have these serious BBC reporters treating the Windsors as practically untouchable and ungovernable, and then there’s Andrew, fussing over his stupid teddy bears and making idiotic decisions constantly. It also highlighted the incompetence around the Windsors too, from Amanda Thirsk (who fell on her sword after the interview aired, and she was cut a big severance check) to the nameless representative of QEII, who actually recorded the interview on his phone… and still cleared the BBC to air the whole thing. So, I agree that Andrew should be put on an ice floe and set out to sea, but here’s the thing: Charles keeps inviting Andrew to events. Charles has repeatedly telegraphed that he’s totally fine with Andrew.
Meanwhile, the Times also had a story about how Andrew is “feeling bullish” despite Scoop. He was seen recently out at Harry’s Bar in Mayfair, having lunch with Johan Eliasch, a Swede who is chairman of Head (a sporting goods manufacturer). They’ve been friends since the 1990s and there’s some speculation that they might be doing some business together. The rest of this Times piece is basically like “here are all the reasons why Andrew could never come back.” They’re missing the point – Andrew never left.
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- Members of the British Royal Family attend the Christmas Day service at Sandringham Featuring: Prince Andrew Where: Sandringham, Norfolk, United Kingdom When: 25 Dec 2023 Credit: Cover Images
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The treatment of Andrew… still living in his huge mansion and security paid for by the King personally.. and Harry..evicted from the gift the queen gave and with no security… says everything I need to know about the disgusting royal family. I am British and I am ashamed.
But isn’t that the point…? Andrew is fulfilling his role as spare, making the monarch always look good by comparison. Harry said I’m not going to live my life being your fall guy and doing nothing important.
Andrew is actually filling the role that was designed for him even if he’s no longer a working Royal.
There’s rampant corruption in the world, it seems no country or its institutions are free from it. 😬
That’s a really good point! He takes the spotlight off the fact that Charles is an adulterer who installed his mistress, ie skanky ho, as Queen.
I believe that there are two reasons for Charles decision to keep Andrew in the fold that have nothing to do with Andrew being the ‘spare’. (1) Betty probably entered some quid pro quo deal with Charles to save her favorite son; and (2) Andrew has threatened to go nuclear on Charles, by exposing dirt that we the public aren’t yet privy to.
I don’t think Charles needs a spare at all, given the nature of his relationship with the press. Both Andrew and Charles have separate, recent scandals that stand alone. Aside from Charles’ Camilla issue, and Andrew’s Epstein scandal, both have corruption (fraud) accusations against them that would upended any other institution. But exclusive of any relationship vis a vis Andrew, Charles is left unscathed because the British press and the public have allowed it, not because he has a spare. Remember, the police dropped the cash-for-honor investigation against Charles after the Queen died. Not one peep from anyone about that. But just let Meghan read to sick children, and see the knives come out.
That’s a great new point of view, although I think he is protected by the Queens last or wishes and by what he could reveal about the king. also, the king is happy he always looks good with his heir being so incompetent. He knows he’s going to have a short reign, nothing better than to be loved more than the king-to-be-son.
Andrew isn’t being treated like a spare. Very little has changed for him. To be treated like a spare he would have had his security removed, his UK home taken away, not invited to royal functions and he wouldn’t have been given the claimed £12 million to pay towards a victim he claimed he has never met. He has essentially been given leave with pay to not be seen as regularly as he used to be seen. Regardless of what they decide to do with him eventually, it doesn’t matter because they have already revealed where their allegiance lies. It’s with an accused paedo who enjoys hanging out with other paedos and has a strange fascination with stuffed animals. Typing that sentence made me sick to my stomach thinking of what meaning each of those stuffed animals might have for a man who has disgusting thoughts and actions towards young victims. The royal family has a history of such disgusting people in their family and friendships. No matter what they do, Andrew totally represents who they are.
I agree with you but we must remember that the late Queen refused to sign the race relations act unless she was exempted. That exemption has been inherited by his son and unless he does something about it it will be inherited by “We are not a racist family.”
I disagree. I think he is a “fit” with the royals. He perfectly represents them. He needs to continue to be around to show the citizens paying for the “working” royals exactly what they pay for. The ending line, “It shows how people in a privileged position can become completely out of touch.” describes the majority of the “working” royals, not just Andrew.
Yes, this.
Ditto! The idea that “royal” means something honorable should have died the day the sword dropped on Anne Boleyn’s neck, so that Henry VIII could bed one of Ladies-in-waiting.
@Proud Mary: Exhibit A. Also goes for the CofE.
Exactly. He’s not the “bad seed,” he’s the only logical product of a sinfully rich family that practices emotional neglect alongside pathological narcissism. A few of them were able, through natural empathy or corrective life experiences, to do better, but for the most part, most of them just know how to keep it under wraps.
@beana – so well put!
100%
He’s not an outlier in the family. The outlier is Harry. Andrew is the epitome of the royal family.
Exactly. This is a family that values pedophiles and sex traffickers, racists, taking bags of cash on the down low, continuing to take money from the backs of the citizens, making secret laws to protect their interests, bullying, sibling assault, adultery. And those are just the things we know about! Chuckles was BFFs with other pedos so he sees nothing wrong with what his brother did. They don’t shun the pedo brother because they are him and he is them.
Ditto! The idea that “royal” means something honorable should have expired the minute the sword dropped on poor Anne Boleyn’s neck, so that Henry VIII could bed one of her ladies-in-waiting. It’s that simple folks. Don’t waste your time reading the history books.
Yep!
I couldn’t have said it better myself. Andrew fits right in with the BRF, and they know it.
Ferg ie keeps going to events with him. And Mike tindall was walking up towards the front too. Not a good look.
Bower wants the sussexes titles removed does he think it would be an obstacle if Andrew still has his.
Bower wants an even slimmer monarchy than Charles wanted!
When Harry published Spare, the RF got what they deserved, they could have complained about the open racism in the comments section of the mainstream press especially when the readers were abusing Archie.
It seems even even Bowelmovement has a bit of conscience: it just makes it a tad difficult for him to continue attack the Sussexes when the trash that is Andrew, has yet to be taken out.
Perhaps, but did he (Bowers) complain about Andrew’s presence when he was strutting around with the BRF at public events? If not, if all he did was praise them for I don’t know, breathing, then he can’t complain now; otherwise, it just seems like he’s sensitive to the way Andrew looked in the interview on behalf of the Chuckie and the gang.
I enjoyed the movie. What stood out to me was how they were nervous almost until the last second that the palace would call and tell them not to air the interview. And what if the palace had? Then the bbc would have just acquiesced and we would have never even seen the interview!!! The palace could what? Just have taken it and locked it up in a vault or destroyed it? That’s so messed up.
This part right here!
I don’t have Netflix, but that should have been a larger part of the discussion! The palace could just call up the Beeb to cancel & that would have been that? Nobody’s upset about that? The public should be! Don’t they pay licensing fees or something?
Absolutely this part. I know I shouldn’t have been surprised but i was. The other part that got me, was how everyone from Andrew’s office thought he did well. i know that part came out in the press after the interview but honestly, that’s insane. That his team didn’t get that it was a total clusterf@ck says so much about what an echo chamber they exist in.
I thought Scoop was very well done. Good acting, writing and production. They kept focused on the narrative being told from the booker’s (Sam McAllister’s) point of view. At the same time, the other pertinent details of the story are effectively portrayed. Choices had to be made about how best to authentically dramatize.
The Amanda Thirsk character did seem to have an emotional attachment to Andrew. Beatrice’s role in her father’s decision to do the interview was not heavily examined.
BTW, has anyone watched ‘The Regime,’ on MAX and Hulu? It stars Kate Winslet (it’s about the unraveling of an authoritarian palace regime).
At this point, Charles might be thinking that Andrew is William’s problem.
Exactly what I have been thinking 🤔..
I think getting rid of Andrew will be the only worthwhile thing William does. I predict it will happen within a year of W taking the throne, assuming Andrew is still alive.
He’s not going anywhere. He knows where all the bodies are buried (metaphorical or literal or both?), so the only way he goes is to join those bodies. Which relative said about Diana’s death, “A tragic solution to a terrible problem.”? There’s only one way Willnot can remove him. If I were Noncy Drew, I wound’t eat any meals coming from Windsor once his nephew ascends the throne….Possibly even before.
Will was riding to church with Andrew. Andrew knows all the secrets, that Harry wrote, but didn’t publish because as he said, his family would never forgive him. If Will tries to kick him out, he would have no reason to keep the secrets. That is the deal they made with him.
If Charles secretly decided to try to end the monarchy, he would be making the exact same decisions that he is now. Divorce the most popular member of the royal family and replace her with your scheming mistress? Be a terrible father and exile one son and unleash the other entitled rage monster with no direction or discipline? Refuse to corral your poorly behaved, racist and criminal family members but instead make sure they are invited and filmed at all major royal events? Fail to assign hundreds of charitable assignments but insist on getting a big raise in your taxpayer funding?
I’m going to assume Chuck wants to be the last King.
I’m wondering if Charles thinks a lot like Trump. Any press is good press. Because the Windsor’s have not gotten this much press since Diana. Charles might not like what is being said. But people are at least talking about him again.
I doubt wiliam will do a thing he’s obsessed with the sussexes
“he’s never left” is so accurate!
This entitled bully is the perfect example of the Windsors.
They think they can do what they want, when they want, to whoever they want, and they can get away with it!
The sad thing is, they have until now. Their popularity was at an all time low. Abolish the Monarchy was growing in strength, then suddenly bone has HAD cancer and the headlines change, once again the media is falling over itself to see who can praise this wrotten family the most. The whole history of this lot is disgusting, but, NOT ONE decent reporter has ever done a deep dive into them and their amongst other things, finances. Let’s face it they passed a new law to even keep details of their wills private for 99 years! Funny how probate laws don’t apply to them, and looking at them, neither does decency
I think it also worth mentioning that the US media has just woken up to the realization that the BRF and their scandals can be a very useful distraction from the crap going on in this country. A young and/or hungry writer/journalist who heretofore had little awareness of them beyond existing, will decide to do just that deep dive; if it isn’t already in the works. Also, generations Z and A are hyper sensitive to inequality, so those generations will be the ones to “cancel” them. They will be the ones to stir the pot until everyday people around the world are demanding accountability, not to mention the return of looted cultural works and treasures. Their ignorance toward the technologically changing world, and their “subjects” being able to go online and read from other countries is their undoing. And yes, I believe we are witnessing their downfall, and not even in slow motion. I believe Katt Williams was right: 2024 is the year the truth comes out. He’s been right so far, and it’s all been about corrupt people abusing their power. People just aren’t afraid of them any longer. Popcorn time!
I was really unaware of what Kate and William were up to at KP until Caity Weaver published an analysis in the New York Times of how they would buy bots to make sure they had more followers than the Sussexes, in the most obvious and incompetent way of course. Hopefully the US press realizes being complicit with this level of misinformation is an international news story.
Unfortunately, the American mainstream media is pretty much in lock step with the royal family. Seems they’re all afraid of them. See how ABC made the “The View” hosts all apologize profusely for questioning the whereabouts of Kate Middleton when that dubious video came out.
I watched “Scoop “ yesterday. What a pack of arrogant, delusional idiots. First I wonder if Amanda had a crush on Andrew or she pitied him because she refused to even think about how he makes himself look. She wore rose colored glasses and thought everyone would do the same. Then he’s an entire childish mess. He should have had a minder with him at all times. This is a major lesson in what not to do and they’re STILL operating this way. Fools.
If the late Queen hadn’t sacked her favorite in 2019 then he and Fergie would have remarried and been planning to act as regent for George. Recently both him and Fergie have been front and centre at family events striding out in public. They are both shameless and the way things are going then a way back for them might be found which is outrageous to even contemplate but common sense and decency seems to be in short supply in Windsor.
Andrew couldn’t plot to be a regent for George. Harry is constitutionally the Regent and cannot decline. He could be removed by parliament but if they removed him they’re sure as hell dumping Andrew. Now maybe Andrew is dumb enough to think he could work it but that’s a different thing. And I doubt he and Fergie are remarrying, at least for love. They could’ve done it anytime since Philip died. I think she’s just being included because they still consider themselves a family unit.
“… Andrew is completely unfit for the royal family.” That’s just it. None of them are fit for all the privilege and entitlement bestowed on them. Bower is upset because it sounds like SCOOP pulls back the curtain to reveal the rot behind it. Charles keeps Andrew close and happy because Andrew knows where all the bodies are buried. If Charles set him adrift or stopped inviting him to family events, he knows Andrew would not hesitate to blow up the entire institution.
If it’s true Chuckie wants to end the monarchy, he should just unchain Andrew. The monarchy would be over in a decade tops.
Scoop showed that the BRF – not just Andrew – are emotionally and mentally stunted and fundamentally flawed people.
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” ‘To save the Royal Family from more horrendous damage, ”
… they should all ride off into the sunset together, and then GB should decide to abolish the monarchy to save plague island from more damage than the current royals have already inflicted on it.
Use the billions saved on education, infrastructure, NHS. Make the handful of w̶o̶r̶k̶i̶n̶g̶ welfare royals live on a small stipend, and confiscate *all* of their ill-gotten gains – be it properties, paintings, jewelry or the money hidden in overseas trusts. Paradise Papers calculated the worth of those trusts to be up to £ 88 billion, and still they’ll be receiving ~ £ 145 million per year from 2025 on, whether they “show up and do good” or not.
And the BRF don’t. And they don’t care.
Helluva scam they’ve got going.
@brassyrebel, it sure is, and it’s gotten worse over the years. They are a completely immoral bunch of half wits (polite version), and to be honest if they weren’t Royal, they would probably be flipping burgers or gardeners.
From Phillip and his affairs, Margaret and her villan friends party’s full of booze and drugs on the island of Mystique with her toy boy lover, the Queen mothers love of spending and alcohol, Andy the perv prince, Edward the harmless dullard. Social climbing Sophie who called the Queen an old dear and offered access to Edward. Fergie and her frolick with her texan, selling access to Andrew and borrowing money from Epstein, Charlie with his wandering trouser snake before he married his surrogate mother, camzilla who waged a battle any general would have been proud of, but liked to, ahem, mix it up a bit with other male friends, William who should still be in a nappy he’s such an overgrown manchild who, like his father has a wandering trouser snake, and bones, bones the social climber who managed to snag the prince, because she had her mother operating her like the fking muppets
Nanea- You put it perfectly.
I give you John Oliver’s response to Colbert before the Duchess of Sussex’s 2018 wedding
“I would not blame her if she pulled out of this at the last minute. I don’t think you need to have just seen the pilot episode of the crown to get a basic sense that she is marrying into a family that could cause her some emotional complications….. I mean, they are an emotionally stunted group of fundamentally flawed individuals doing a very silly pseudo job. I hope she likes it, it’s going to be weird for her.”
Oliver is hysterical- and exactly right.
Abolish the monarchy. They are awful people. Royals are whites only, but as a prince- feel free to rape peasants. Kind of sums it up.
They are inbred and they haven’t changed in hundreds of years.
Thumbs up on all of this
Princess Margaret’s knees!
As someone who had to work with Clarence House and Buckingham Palace on a number of occasions – it all reads as pretty accurate.
Given it’s adapted from the book written by Sam McAlister (the character Billie Piper plays) I take with a pinch of salt just how often Scoop uses the plot device ‘scrappy working class character says what nobody else will and it’s the exact right thing’ – but in terms of the worry that the Palace will pull something, the lack of any sense of reality beyond their bubble from royals or staff, how nobody will challenge or countermand a royal – yep that’s all totally in line with what I experienced pre and post pandemic working with them.
Thank you for showing us a glimpse of what went on behind the scenes.
I watched scoop and spent the whole show trying to understand what is was trying to achieve, in the end I found it to be a Pat on the back for the booker who scored the interview, because she pursued something and didn’t back down, the Emily is supposed to be highly intelligent but couldn’t express why she would want to interview him. I didn’t watch the OG just saw clips and those were the same clips that can be found on SM. I did find it interesting that they included the teddy bears and some banal story about Mummy combing his hair. I think it is extraordinary how every member of that family is infantilised or portrayed. In that way any yet want people to reverie them. So in the end I had more questions and left feeling nothing about Andrew or Emily. The belly piper xter was good it was definitely her story
It was based on the Piper character’s book, so your observations are spot on. Maybe the three-part series coming up will be a little more revealing.
My problem with this is the whole “unfit for the family he was born into.” Like, no. The whole premise of the monarchy is that G-d chose these people. You can’t be “unfit” for whatever the Deity chooses for you, kwim? They’re doing this same thing to Harry (as if his “crimes” are on par with sex trafficking and sexual assault). The BM can’t have it both ways. Either they’re deserving of obedience because of their bloodline or they’re not. Make up your minds.
Tuesday: I have pointed this out before. The meaning of what it is to be royal keeps changing in the media. Andrew is either divinely ordained to be in this family (and be in the line of succession!) or he is not. In that case God made some sort of terrible mistake. It is baffling to me that in the 21st century there are still people who believe you can be born with magic blood that entitles you to rule (and run over) others.
I think this is why we see so much flailing from the RF, the BM and the public. Because nobody, not even the royals, truly believe they were appointed by God. Everyone is pretending so as to explain why this weird system still exists and why one family should deserve so much wealth and entitlement. They also try secular explanations – the RF are good for tourism, they represent history and culture and stability, blah, blah, blah. But again, this is demonstrably unbelievable. So, we get slavish propaganda from the press and hysterical hypocrisy from the palaces and the people can’t decide if they care or not.
So true! Also makes it doubly hilarious when Pegs says he is not religious….um, your whole gig is predicated on being chosen by God? Make it make sense.
The press’ hands off approach and sometimes defence of Andrew has enabled his continued presence at royal/public events.
For those that watched this show, do you think it was cleverly done? Do you think it revealed that the Emperor truly hasn’t got any clothes?
I’m wondering – do you think some viewers will perhaps reconsider the utility of a monarchy after viewing?
I did watch and enjoyed it, especially getting to see inside Buckingham Palace. But I wasn’t surprised because all this has been in the news for years. Epstein was arrested and died in jail in the U.S. Many excellent reporters have followed his trail of devastation, whoever it leads, not just the palace. We’ve heard the story from Virginia herself. We’ve read Spare.
The BBC seemed to be playing catchup. I was surprised in the end when Sam didn’t keep pressing on the stories of the victims. Who were they? I wanted to hear from one of the girls in the photos that supposedly made Sam sad. She stopped following the trail. It was all about ratings and getting a boost on Twitter and her career.
I loved Beatrice’s little scenes. You see how truly weird being a princess is, with that long girlish hair. And air of futility. Expensive zooo animals, all of them.
The thing is, Andrew isn’t “a poor fit.” He’s a literal and direct consequence of the system.
Starting to watch it this afternoon when my kid is napping, then going to finish tonight when he’s in bed. Very excited.
I woke up at the crack of dawn Friday to watch Scoop. I thought it was great. Then I went back and watched Andrew’s real interview. As an American, I cannot possibly understand the mindset of those whom a monarchy has ruled for their entire lives and the deference that they hold for them. But I read the comments left by UK readers on places like The Daily Fail and YouTube videos and scratch my head. So many just don’t see it. One person jumped down my throat by telling me that their royal family doesn’t cost them anything…that they are independently wealthy. The bit about taxpayers paying for them was a lie. It escapes me. I guess they also believe that Santa Claus is real and the moon landing was faked.
@mycatlovestv, I’m a Brit (ashamed to admit it at times like this), and I have been sat up in my bed arguing with royal muppets since this was shown. From the usual “it’s her parents fault” to its “her fault she knew what she was getting into”. My response to some of the idiots doesn’t bare repeating, but suffice to say I pointed out that the only ones to blame were Epstein, maxwell and Prince perv. Oh and the late Queen for paying the settlement. I also gave one royal loon a pocket history of the many skeletons dancing in the Royal closets, funny that she never came back at me! I would love a deep dive on the two bodies found, a while back, one in KP grounds and the other in BP Palace grounds
What about the body of a murdered 17 yr old female found in Amner near the royal stud on the Sandringham estate. https://abcnews.go.com/International/body-found-queens-estate-highly-died-natural-accident/story?id=15281474
https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna45850427
https://x.com/Barniecal/status/1201637598135017475
Man accuses royals of being responsible for death of teenager found in Amner. Last seen around midnight at a “carpark” in Kings Lynn, Norfolk…”dogging” perhaps
I mean who in this family hasn’t done more events than William at this point ? Anyway sick of the DM to publish that AND and an article trying to portray Andrew as the victim : https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-13275513/LIZ-JONES-Watching-Scoop-makes-think-Prince-Andrew-played-starting-feel-sorry-him.html.
Gross.
Andrew needs a job. I suggest Governor General of the Falklands.
He can live there and issue edicts to the sheep.
I think we want to keep him away from the sheep.
Lol
Best response ever!
LOL @BeanieBean. The penguins too!
The role of GG is the monarch’s representative in the realms. To have a royal fill that role, as it was rumoured Harry and/or William wanted in Australia, is to trespass into the sovereignty of the realms. Though there is no official bar, it is not something that ought to be countenanced, even jokingly.
Especially given the UK history with the Falklands. I don’t think Andrew would be welcomed or seen as a war hero if he were to show up in the Falklands.
Wow he wants him gone permanently. Like as in a crash in a tunnel permanently.
Wonder if the Scotland Yard or MI5 will investigate Bower now that he used this wording on a “blood” prince? Instead of using it on a family with 3 black royal members? /S
I watched it last evening, and the one reporter guy looked so familiar. Checked out the cast, saw it was Richard Goulding, and bingo! He played Prince Harry in the first season of “The Windsors” on Netflix. Love that series- hoping they produce #4 season – it’s hilarious!
He also played Prince Charles’s private secretary in The Crown seasons 3-4.
A segue……there’s a point in the 1st epi of the H&M Netflix docu where the interviewer asks PH if there was a point in his life as a young boy that he learned about his family. And H said: “U mean, do I rmbr a moment when i realized ny family was…….different?”
Then he laughs & says “no.” That there was no point at which they were “sat down in a classroom & my grandmother stands there with a long stick, glasses on her nose and goes: ‘right, this is what it means to be in the royal family.’
No, that doesnt happen.”
And i think thats been the fatal flaw of the DNA-related members of the RF. They dont know who they are, where theyve come from, what mistakes their ancestors made in their time tht set them on the wrong/fatal trajectory & therefore what kinds of mistakes should be avoided.
Theyv left the telling of their story to the Machiavellians tht inevitable attach themselves to the seat of power to whisper in their ear & massage their natural narcissism.
Instead of being chanelled into making good decisions tht wd dovetail to the benefit of both the royals AND their people, theyve arrived at this pretty pass where theyre no good to anyone, unfit for purpose & wth the wolves baying for blood.
Can you imagine being an English history teacher in one of the schools these people attended as kids? What do you say, what is your approach? Factual & professional, or—?
Actually, we get a glimpse of this in Spare where H describes his experiences wth his history teacher….cant recall if it was while he was in elementary school or at Eton.
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Charles makes it very clear in his authorized bio he is very fond of Andrew. They are birds of a feather, let’s not forget that he had Jimmy Savile as an advisor.
The problem is that Andrew knows where the bodies are buried…
Kicking myself because I did not save a link, but I read this week that Virginia started out working a MarALago’s spa-I believe Maxwell procured teen girls to work there and then some were trafficked on to Epstein. And of course we know Epstein & Maxwell were bffs w/The Orange Rapist. Perhaps that will be clarified by Virginia herself in her book. But I certainly would like that whole situation blown up by a decent journalist along w/a deep dive into the two dead young women found in royal properties that Mary Pester mentions above.
That’s correct, Virginia was working at MaL.
I don’t have a link either but I’ve seen it reported many times. And I agree that there’s no way she was the only one they took from there.
“In mid-2000,[23][24] Giuffre met Ghislaine Maxwell when working as a spa attendant at Donald Trump’s private Mar-a-Lago club while reading a book about massage therapy.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Giuffre
This family is a pack of morons and abusers and grifters. How do you bring shame on the shameful?
So glad the Sussexes are — in every way— on a different continent.
“Tom Bower thinks it shows it is high time for Charles to act and remove the Duke from ‘public view’.
Mr Bower said: ‘To save the Royal Family from more horrendous damage, King Charles will finally need to order Prince Andrew to permanently stay out of public view.”
So Tom Bower’s point of view is that the problem with Paedrew is that he’s visibly part of the RF, and we know too many cringeworthy details about him. TB just wants him out of sight (and probably out of mind). That seems different from having issues with PA’s being a member of the RF or living an undeserved lifestyle. It also doesn’t explain how TB is so upset with the Sussexes. He’s just trying to polish the RF’s image.
“Charles keeps inviting Andrew to events. Charles has repeatedly telegraphed that he’s totally fine with Andrew.” Not astonishing: look at everyone else historically Prince Charles has been ok with.
Andy is blackmailing Charles .
He knows all the secrets they won’t want exposed in that disgusting family .
Yea, Andrew knows where the bodies are buried alright……. Prince Charles very good friends included Jimmy Savile, Laurens Van Der Post, Peter Ball and his “adored surrogate father figure”, his great Uncle Lord Louis Mountbatten. Says a lot about the company he keeps. Savile, one of the most prolific paedophiles in British history with necrophilia as well, Laurens Van Der Post who liked young girls, Peter Ball the Bishop who raped over 20 young boys and who Charles gave a home to on his Highgrove Estate, and wrote letters to support him to the Church of England Bishops and Archbishop, and Mountbatten, linked to Kincora Boys Home in Northern Ireland, where decades of systematic and appalling sexual abuse happened and was repeatedly covered up. Either Charles is one of the most stupid judges of character in the UK (population 65 million) or he’s complicit in turning a blind eye to these monsters. If he’s the former, then get him a job in a supermarket where he’s on minimum wage and collects shopping carts in the car park out of harms way, or if he’s the latter, then have a full and open investigation about why he covered up for these disgusting monsters, and JAIL HIM…….. and investigate Andrew as well, by the Police, and JAIL HIM TOO.
100% this!!! An excellent summary of some of Charles most unsavory associations. The incessant promotion that the Royal family are better than the rest of the population by birth, blood and rank is continually shown to be a sham by the behavior of people like Charles, Andrew, William, Camilla, to name a few.
Thanks Julianna2. Completely agree with you, these royals are better than us?!!!!! Add to the mix: Edward VIII who visited Hitler, and encouraged the Nazis to bomb civilians to break their will and spirit (Marburg papers documents this), Princess Margaret holidaying with a convicted East End Gangster on a tropical island whilst ordinary Britains shivered through a terrible winter with fuel supplies running low (1070s), Duke of Kent’s father having to be weaned off hard drugs, cosy grandmother of the Nation Queen Mother knowing that two of her first cousins were locked away for all their adult lives due to mental and physical health problems, and NEVER mentioning it at all, even on her visits to the charity MENCAP, QEII waiting eight days to visit Aberfan, the Welsh village which had a coal heap slide down and kill 116 children and 28 adults and which shocked the nation because it was gross negligence that caused the disaster to happen, Prince Philip telling British students in China “have you got slitty eyes yet……….All documented by tv cameras, letter and official papers!!!!!!!!
The royal sycophants try and dismiss it by saying “every family has a slightly dodgy member” but I can’t think of another family who has:
1. Members who are best friends with paedos who write letters of support to government and church heads
2. Pay 12 million dollars to an accuser of sexual abuse
3. Lock away close family members who have physical and mental handicaps and then say they thought they were dead, knowing full well they are not.
4. Repeated racism behaviour that’s documented (Edward VIII and Prince Philip, let alone the racism that Meghan endured.
5. Ignored a national tragedy without even mentioning it and then only doing so because the optics look bad……..
Unless they are a f*&£%d up family that would be too bad for the Jerry Springer show.
And we revere this family and give them billions of tax breaks and money???!!!!!!
There were rumors that Andrew is an illegitimate child, just like Harry was a product of Diana’s long-term adultery.
The rumors spread about diana and harry were cruel
Diana first got involved with Hewitt when harry was two. Diana was rejected by charles after she had the heirs for him. Andrew was considered to be a child of reconciliation between elizabeth and philip and they had a few years later Edward.
People LOVE to try and make it seem that Harry was not KFC’s. How many more decades do we have to put up with this. It was initially to used to smear Princess Di and now it’s used to smear Harry. I know if goes against some people’s obvious malice toward Harry, but he’s royal.
As far as Andrew? I went down that rabbit hole at one point and he looks like (IMO) one of the late Queens. Can’t remember who, but it’s not that difficult to search for pictures.
I was very surprised when Andrew on Scoop kept making inappropriate jokes. He is telling the BBC staff, no one was worried about his friendship with Jimmy Savile this much, pointing out that Emily wore pants to the interview, not a dress / skirt. It is apparent that just like William, he is used to making that kind of jokes with his yes-people nodding with approval.
I thought “Scoop” did a great job of showing just how entitled, clueless, misogynistic and self-pitying Andrew is.
The angry teddy bear scene was perfect.
The more I study the behaviour of Andrew, and more importantly William’s behavior, the more I’m suspect that they have a cognitive bias known as the Dunning-Kruger effect. I would suggest researching it and you may be surprised to see these characteristics in both men. When working on certification for working wit “gifted” children, I came has across this syndrome. It explains much of their of behavior. Crudely said , it maintains that stupid people don’t know they are stupid.