This story has been getting some attention online in recent days, but I don’t think it’s what you guys think it is. King Charles is immune from prosecution, because of the way the whole British legal system is set up. They’ve set a verbal trap for themselves: criminal cases are brought against defendants in the name of the king, so a king could not bring charges against himself. This immunity from prosecution extends across the board, not just for violent criminal acts, but for mundane acts of failing to adhere to local farming regulations. This has come up because Welsh campaigners want Charles prosecuted under the Agriculture Act.
Campaigners are set to seek advice on a possible legal challenge to King Charles’s efforts to remain immune from prosecution under a Welsh law. A report by The Guardian told how a Buckingham Palace official phoned the Welsh Government to seek assurances the monarch would not be prosecuted under the Agriculture (Wales) Act. The elected minister who draw up the legislation agreed to a special exemption for the King last year but was reportedly “not happy” about it.
The King was exempted from regulations relating to the marketing of agricultural products, the disposal of carcasses and the disclosure of information to the Welsh state. According to documents, on June 1 last year the Welsh Government noted in an internal memo that its lawyers “had been contacted by Buckingham Palace officials who have sought an assurance that Welsh ministers will take into account conventions regarding prosecuting the crown when making regulations under this bill”.
In an email the following day, Welsh officials noted that Mick Antoniw, the Welsh government’s counsel general was “not happy with the exclusion” but “recognises the ongoing convention and therefore” agreed to it. This was a reference to an ill-defined convention under which criminal and civil proceedings cannot be brought against the monarch as head of state.
Now anti-monarchy group Republic has said it will be seeking advice on a possible legal challenge to the monarch’s immunity. CEO Graham Smith said the convention “must be tested in court”. He said: “Either we are all equal in law or none of us are. It is an outrage that Charles continues to exploit this outdated convention to ensure he’s immune from prosecution. Charles should be ashamed of himself for demanding unique protections that allow him to bypass legislation farmers, rural communities and everyone else must abide by. This convention must be tested in court, it cannot be right that a rule that dates back hundreds of years still protects Charles’s private interests and wealth from the law of the land.”
“I am seeking legal advice on whether it is possible to challenge this nonsense, and to ensure Charles and all the royals are held to the same standards as everyone else.”
According to Buckingham Palace, the royal household rang the Welsh Government to ensure that “as a matter of legal correctness” the monarch could not be prosecuted under the Agriculture (Wales) Act. A palace spokesperson said the convention had to be maintained as the draft act contained a particular type of legislation that would not rule out the possibility of a prosecution.
See, this is yet another telling incident about palace bureaucracy rather than, like, an admission that the king or someone in his family did crime. This was some palace flunkie exerting what little power he had to ensure that some random Welsh agriculture law would not ever be applied to the king. The Welsh lawmakers should have come back with: “well now that you mention it…” Anyway, a “royal source” has gone on the record (not as a named source) to say that the king would never apply pressure on Welsh officials to be immune from prosecution in perpetuity. Except for all of the times the palace has done just that, like this exact situation.
Photos courtesy of Backgrid.
So they are saying: no, he is not asking immunity forever, just for now, whatever issue it is about.
Anyway, it was a stupid movie by a courtier. He doesn’t need immunity because whatever that family does never reaches the point where they are held publicly accountable. The many financial and other crimes I’m sure they have committed have all been covered up by authorities, the judicial system and the press.
He looks awful and probably feels that way in that last photo.
These people are such dumbasses. They need to have someone in whatever the legal body that makes sure laws are constitutional check for this, not someone in the palace.
If the laws are for public protection then KC should have to follow them the same as everyone else.
If they were actual public servants, they’d be happy to model good examples. But we know what they really are: anachronistic leeches.
The theoretical question arises: if the royal family were to suddenly resign or be forced to dissolve the monarchy, would they still be protected from past or present crimes? Currently, it appears none of them are particularly active, leading one to question why they cling so tightly to their positions. Their influence seems to be waning; it all feels rather futile. Is their persistence motivated solely by financial interests—the money, the land, the property—or are they attempting to shield themselves from public scrutiny and judgment?
Could they be paid off to go away?
Their law states that the police, with a warrant, can never enter royal property to investigate a Royal nor to arrest them. It’s really disturbing when you think about it.
I’m kind of confused. But essentially a courtier had to remind everyone that Charles cannot be prosecuted? Which is messed up either way. So basically Murdoch’s Sun and Charles are untouchable. Cool cool.
Just yikes. Someone ought to write a book about the mismanagement fiasco these people regularly put on display or send them a manual on how to not be entitled dbags. Something easy to comprehend with flow charts so they can stfu whenever they feel the urge to display their privilege.
Pie charts would be easier for them to understand, lol.
No more than five, though; that’ll just confuse them.
This is disgusting. If Charles and the rest of the family want to maintain support amongst the British public they should give up their exemptions to all laws.
Including inheritance tax.
One might wonder how a politically neutral, ceremonial head of state can exert pressure over entire goverments? And then, one might begin to consider that this ancient institution that pre-dates (and some might say is the direct root cause of) our modern age might not actually be strictly ceremonial.
I’m often reminded of George Carlin’s epic ‘It’s a Big Club’ rant. He’s exactly right, and it applies in many of the same ways to Britain as he meant it for America.
“…the owners of this country don’t want that. I’m talking about the real owners now, the real owners, the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don’t. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the senate, the congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else.”
I’m American but thank goodness for Graham Smith and the Republic group – everyone else in the UK appears to have either been completely brainwashed into believing in the monarchy or don’t believe in it but cynically use it for their own ends.
Also, thanks to the person who posted the link to the Highgrove gift shop yesterday. They do have some nice things as well as stuff like prints of watercolors done by Charles, for the low low price of 5,000 pounds each: https://www.highgrovegardens.com/collections/art-books-music-art/products/alltnaguibhsaich-lodge-limited-edition-framed-artist-proof-lithograph. At first I was somewhat impressed by Charles’ artistic talent (I knew Philip had painted but wasn’t aware that Charles did), but then I remembered that Charles doesn’t need to make a living and has legions of servants to take care of his every need so he has plenty of time to learn to paint…
So he is above the law? Is it just the King or other royals as well? Why are the British people okay with this in 2024?
As I was reading this, all I kept thinking is “or he could just follow the law like a civilian and not worry about prosecution?” – then I read the bit about ‘disclosure of information’. THAT’S the part none of them want to follow. Heavens forbid any of the (so-called working) royals disclose any information that hasn’t been twisted, distorted, and manipulated to their own best interests. Particularly if that information has anything to do with finances.
I have to keep every single receipt of things that I write off for the IRS, and I’m sure HMRC is the same. When I start my own business later this year, my financial statements will be public record for anyone who wants to look at them, as an LLC. If I understand correctly, the UK is similar for their businesses. The royal’s books should be completely transparent and open, quite frankly. But we all know why they aren’t, and that’s because the information within would probably cause the UK to revolt and their would no longer be a monarchy.
So, example #9,387 of the privileged class enjoying its privileges. What else is new?
If you read “And What Do YOU Do?” By former MP Norman Baker, you’ll learn about a lot of shady things the BRF has done (looking at you Liz) to protect their assets and free them from prosecution. It’s awful.
This is par for the course. Good luck to Wales!
I find it curious that the issue of royal immunity from legal charges has come up several times lately from various sources and keeps being brought up …Gee, I wonder why.
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I listened to the audio version of that book -it outlines details about how the ruling class benefits from the monarchy and how, by british law, the police are never allowed to enter royal residences to investigate nor to arrest a royal. They literally have nothing to worry about, EVER.
I guess that’s why Andrew thought his interview went so well because even if it didn’t the police could never use a warrant on him even if he accidentally incriminates himself.
This also perfectly explains William.
“This was a reference to an ill-defined convention under which criminal and civil proceedings cannot be brought against the monarch as head of state.”
— it’s not an ill defined convention, it’s the foundation of your constitutional monarchy: the King is the law.
“CEO Graham Smith said the convention “must be tested in court”. He said: “Either we are all equal in law or none of us are.”
—No, Graham, you’re not all equal, before the law. That’s the deal with monarchial society.
In this regard, they might have had better luck if they’d been in the EU: there might have been a higher international court to which they could plead their case. I can see Charles’s tilting towards Brexit, from these kinds of considerations.