First it was the Duchess of Sussex’s Archetypes and now it’s Kylie Kelce’s Not Gonna Lie podcast – both women dethroned Spotify’s “golden boy” douchebag Joe Rogan from the top of the pod charts. Kylie’s podcasting success is no surprise – she’s a very normal person married to one of the most beloved retired football players in the country. She’s got the relatable-mom-married-to-a-sports-bro act down pat. Her family is basically a sitcom already. All of which to say, it does not surprise me at all that Kylie is booking some big-name guests. In this week’s NGL pod, Kylie spoke to Michelle Obama. They seemed to bond about so much – having daughters, being early-to-bed people and more. Michelle also revealed that her husband wanted a third child, and whether she would ever run for president.

Michelle Obama is content with being a mother of two. The former first lady, who shares daughters Malia Obama, 26, and Sasha Obama, 23, with her husband, former president Barack Obama, got candid with Kylie Kelce about her and Barack’s differing opinions on the size of their family on the March 20 episode of Kelce’s Not Gonna Lie podcast.

“I was like, I think I’ve been lucky with these two,” Michelle said of Malia and Sasha. “Barack was like, ‘We should have a third,’ and I was like, ‘Dude.’ ” Kylie, 32, who is currently pregnant with her fourth child with husband Jason Kelce, noted of Michelle’s girls, “Two good sleepers, I’d call it too.” The Becoming author agreed, adding, “You know, I’m thinking we’re gonna get a crazy one.”

Getting candid about her fears from early motherhood, Michelle said, “I think the sadness or the postpartum that I felt with my kids really came from, like, you love these babies so much. You immediately, you’re connected, and you think, ‘Oh my god, all you have is me. I feel so bad for you. I wish you had a parent.’ ”

Michelle and Kylie, who are both mothers to girls, also quipped about their husbands being girl dads. “That’s because that’s what your husband deserved,” Michelle told Kylie. “That’s what I told Barack, ‘Dude, you need a bunch of women in your life to smack you around.’”

And while she’s been approached about running for president countless times, Michelle added that she’d never consider it, due mostly to her role as a mother.

“I wanted them to have the freedom of not having the eyes of the world on them,” she explained. “And so when people ask me would I ever run, the answer is no. If you ask me that, then you have absolutely no idea the sacrifice that your kids make when your parents are in that role.”

Noting that she’s “not interested in politics in that way,” the author added, “The thought of, like, putting my girls back into that spotlight when they are just now establishing themselves. I think we’ve done enough … they’ve already served their time.”

[From People]

It’s still crazy to me that Democrats still eagerly pitch MO as their dream candidate when she’s spent years and years saying the same thing, which is that she has absolutely no interest in politics. That’s especially true at this point, after she saw what happened in the last election. As for Barack wanting another kid and MO shutting it down… she’s spoken and written about how tough those early years were when their girls were young, and how she felt like Barack wasn’t pulling his weight as a father. I imagine that, more than anything, was the biggest factor in not wanting a third.

In this clip, MO and Kylie talk about how they love to go to bed early. It truly is one of the best gifts you can give yourself at a certain age – a quiet early bedtime.

.@MichelleObama is not gonna lie: bedtime is the best time of the day!

Full episode drops on 3/20! pic.twitter.com/vznStVndQi

— Not Gonna Lie with Kylie Kelce (@nglwithkylie) March 19, 2025

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