Over the weekend, the Duchess of Sussex put some really sweet videos and messages on her Instagram Stories. Prince Harry returned home to Montecito after a surprise trip to Ukraine, where Ukrainian officials had given him some really special gifts. The gifts included a lovely Easter basket and a package of special Ukrainian Easter cakes. The Easter basket was given to Harry in person by Ukraine’s Minister of Economy, Yulia Svyrydenko. Meghan posted the Sussex family enjoying the Easter cakes and using some of the gifts in the Easter basket. In response to Meghan’s IG Stories, Svyrydenko wrote a note to Harry and Meghan and posted it online. Meghan reposted the message, which addressed either Meghan or Harry (it’s not entirely clear which one) as “Your Royal Highness.”
Soon after, the Daily Beast’s Royalist column quoted sources close to both King Charles and Prince William. The sources were throwing a huge f–king tantrum about the use of “your royal highness” in the message and they were fully attacking Meghan for daring to repost the message on her IG. Get it, because Harry and Meghan agreed not to “use” their HRHs. Which they didn’t – someone else used the royal style and Meghan only reposted the message out of support for Ukraine. But look what we have here – suddenly, the Royalist has discovered his chatty “sources close to Prince William.” Those sources were especially talkative circa 2022 and 2023. Not so much these days, but the HRH issue has lit a fire under some bald dummy’s arse.
Prince William could formally strip Prince Harry and Meghan Markle of their “HRH” titles when he becomes king, sources have told the Daily Beast. Meghan appeared to reassert her and Harry’s titles in an Instagram post at the weekend, reposting a message from the vice president of Ukraine addressing her as “Your Royal Highness.”
William’s hardline position contrasts with a relaxed attitude from King Charles, who, one friend said, would not want “to open a new front in the civil war” between the royals and Harry and Meghan.
For now, friends of William say, he will “respect his father’s rank” and follow his lead, but they say that when William becomes king, Harry and Meghan could be “more harshly dealt with.”
One friend of William told the Daily Beast, “William has been given a great deal of influence on all areas of royal policy, but that cuts both ways and he respects his father’s rank. Charles has a softly-softly attitude to Harry and Meghan, and so that’s the policy for now, but the gloves will be off when he inherits the throne. If they started using the HRH titles on a regular basis, he would take them away for good.”
Another friend of William’s added, “It’s no secret William wants Harry more harshly dealt with. He thinks he has betrayed the family from top to bottom, which is the ultimate Windsor crime. It wouldn’t take much to provoke him to flex his muscles when he is king.”
The friend of the king said, “Charles isn’t going to open a new front in the civil war on the basis of one Instagram post, and it’s not as if they are calling themselves HRH. I think everyone is pretty clear, at this stage, what the Duke and Duchess of Sussex’s position in the family is.”
Others would argue that their position is far from clear, especially to casual users of social media around the world who simply view Harry and Meghan as royals, despite the tenuous deal hammered out at the so-called Sandringham Summit after the left the family which saw them agree to not market their royal connections and not use their HRH titles.
There have been many calls in the U.K. for the couple to be stripped of their titles, including parliamentary bills (none of which have been successful.)
“It wouldn’t take much to provoke him to flex his muscles when he is king.” For years now, I’ve believed that “doing potential harm to Harry” is basically the only reason why William is interested in the crown. He doesn’t give a sh-t about state business, he’s one of the laziest men on earth, he’s barely literate, he’s uncultured, unfaithful and uncouth, but he has one motivation: to copy and destroy Harry. Peggington plans to yank the HRH style and he’ll probably try to yank the Sussex titles too. That’s the only reason he gets up in the morning. What a loser.
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And this is why he will never be king.
What a disappointment and waste of a man Peggy has become, his mother would be ashamed of him.
Seriously. “Global statesman” my ass. He’s a petty little b!tch. Diana is rolling over in her grave at his behavior.
RepublicUK needs to get their ass in gear, because he will be king the second Charlie dies unless the UK eliminates the monarchy NOW.
Abolishing the monarchy would be one way to keep the Sussexes from using “HRH”.
I don’t think their campaigning has been as successful as it could be. They rely on childish slogans, which don’t explain why UK taxpayers ought to be outraged by the public largesse the Windsors are given year after year.
“I don’t think their campaigning has been as successful as it could be.”
Because Britain MSM are in bed with the BRF. They hardly reported or focus on the anti-Monachy efforts. Just like those Americans who only rely on MSM, cable new and right-winged podcasts, they believed what the media told them, not bothering to seek out other opinions (truths).
Over the past several years, there’re articles & TV programs exposed BRF, but they all went nowhere. It seems most of the UK population don’t care and are fine with keep paying to the BRF.
It would be very funny if the monarchy were to crumble immediately after Charles’ death and William loses his fancy useless titles before he gets the time to be a bigger bully.
It needs to end before Charlie dies, so all the estates never get to Bill and he is required to pay full inheritance tax. Given that the purchases of Balmoral and Sandringham *may* track back to taxpayer funding being used? He could lose everything.
Either way is fine by me.
Better done before Charlie dies so William is left penniless – and without any taxpayer security. Let him see what it is really like.
I guess Willie’s courtiers aren’t informed about the procedure of taking a title away from a King’s son’s. LOL! He will need to go through parliament, where he won’t succeed.
Anyway, it’s a moot point, because Willie’s never going to be King.
1. Not Global Statesman behaviour
2. Not “Family man” behaviour
3. Not kingly behaviour
William’s handlers, and the journalists you run to, take note:
every single “William wants to punish Harry and/or Meghan fiercely for the crime of existing” article you put out only backfires on your principal. You are single-handedly convincing the public that William is an unhinged, narcissistic shitberg, fundamentally incapable of any measure of self control, who should be bypassed for the throne because he’s a clear and present danger to others.
Let me be clear: Palace sourced accounts of William’s behaviour have the ring of George III about them.
You want to really help solve William’s PR black hole? Stop making it bigger and get him some MH assistance, because absolutely none of this is normal or acceptable behaviour for a future head of state of many nations.
I too believe that from the day Harry was born Peg the jealous wanted him gone. Harry is the only thing ( other than day drinking, football, vacations and being lazy) in his bald head. He must cause his brother harm. It’s the only goal he has in his childish life.
@susancolins
Definitely besides revenge on Harry, he has his mind set on Meghan!
He has never hugged or kissed his wife like that or given her dirty looks when Meghan is around. I feel like he is boiling inside and his nostrils are flaring like a horny stallion. Look at pictures like the one in the article that says Meghan is flirting with William but the pictures show the exact opposite. Even when Meghan was pregnant.
Harry is impassioned about his causes, and it shows. Willy doesn’t have many causes, and the ones he has he does not seem impassioned about, does not tend to regularly, and he always seems to be doing things because it is an obligation. Except, of course, football.
Take the titles. Then we can just call her Princess Meghan instead. 😊 I’m sure he’ll loooove that. Hehehehe
Truly. It doesn’t matter anymore, they’ve left the family business.
While the King cannot strip titles (only parliament can strip titles) the monarch can remove the HRH and Prince or Princess. I only know this because I studied English History and when I tried to google it all the results were about Queen E, King C & Prince W stripping the Sussexes of their royal duke/duchess, earl,countess & baron/baroness titles.
So yes, I do think 3 things might happen if that egg ever sits on any throne other than the one in his bathroom
I do think he could:
1. Officially remove HRH from all 4 Sussexes
2. Potentially designate “The Duke of Sussex” to return to the Crown upon Harry’s death – but … what about all the other aristo families and his own 2 children
3. Remove Prince and Princess from Harry, Archie and Lili, again … what about other aristos and his own children
Will he cut off his own nose to spite his children? Sounds like a Windsory thing to do
Please don’t attack me. You know me as a long standing Sussex ally. I’m laying out a potential worst case scenario based on my limited knowledge of the kind of person W is. xxx
Can he do just theirs or would he have to change the rules for everyone? In that case it would also take away Bea and Eugenie’s and his own future grandkids.
It would have to go through parliament. Parliament doesn’t want to be seen as racist.
Parliament also doesn’t want to set precedent, in case their own titles are put in danger because the monarch doesn’t like them.
Ok how would that work. Let’s just say, William puts forth a decree that strips the titles of just the Sussexes and takes it to parliament. Would parliament just publicly vote against what William wants?
*William puts forth a decree that strips the titles of just the Sussexes and takes it to parliament. Would parliament just publicly vote against what William wants?*
That’s not how it works. William can’t issue decrees, the monarch is very literally banned (like actually explicitly legally banned) from doing that.
He can whisper in the ear of friendly politicians to advocate for his case, but he absolutely can’t just issue a degree saying “Harry and Meghan are hereby stripped of their titles.” The UK government system simply doesn’t work that way.
He could issue a letters patent to remove the HRH (not the Ducal titles!), possibly, but the monarch can’t suggest laws that government then votes on, the system just doesn’t work that way. And he certainly has no power to remove Harry’s Duke title.
The Daily Beast is just making up nonsense.
The Sussex title can only be removed by an act of parliament and it has only happened in the past due to treason, I.e. siding with the Germans in WWI and earlier enemy acts.
There is no way a labour government is going to agree to a jealous act by someone who get millions from the UK taxpayers to remove an honour to an actual combat veteran, something William has never been.
William could remove the HRH through a revised letters patent, but if he doesn’t remove it from Andrew, his children and everyone below Harry in the line of succession, it is going to look very very bad. That includes Anne, who does most of the work.
This is likely just tabloid talk because while William is jealous and petty, he has advisors that would tell him he cannot do this without people asking why anyone has titles and HRHs.
Yet more nonsense from Bozo the clown prince. Color me surprised…not! lol!
Do it, don’t do it – just shut up about it.
Right? William’s favorite hobby seems to be bitching to Tom Sykes. It’s so tiresome.
Between bitching about his brother and writing on Aston Villa forums and ignoring his tenants and wife no wonder this doofus hasn’t got the time to work!!
If this is going to be his first order of business if or when he becomes King, the British monarchy is a useless institution and should be abolished.
That’s funny, because if HRH is revoked it’ll only make William look bad, especially if everyone else ranked below them is allowed to keep theirs. They can’t use the excuse that they aren’t working royals because neither are, Andrew, Beatrice, Eugenie or Prince and Princess Michael of Kent. Also can’t use the excuse, that they don’t live in the U.K. since even the press knows it’s Charles’ fault they don’t have a home there anymore.
The last time this happened, Elizabeth II revoked HRH from ex wives of Princes, it didn’t just target one person, it affects anyone who doesn’t fit the criteria. Or when George V revoked princely titles from anyone that didn’t fit his new criteria, again it affected multiple people, not just one person purely out of spite.
I think he will do it just for them and he will change the rules for prince/princess for Archie and Lili. And yes it will make him look awful but I don’t think he cares. The Uk press will protect him.
No lie. I see this too. I don’t know all the rules but if he can do it for just them without it affecting his kids’ or future grandchildren’s titles then yeah I think he will regardless of it makes him look bad. Bc yeah the press will support him. But he needs parliament right? But if it just affects Harry and his kids, maaaaybe they would approve despite the precedence to sets. Idk though.
Agree. IIRC there is a difference between the Sussex dukedom title and an HRH. The HRH is viewed by the British government as something the BRF can pretty much decide on its own, by issuing Letters Patent (and it is untrue to say that it “comes with automatic security” as there are RF members who don’t have an HRH and still get security, or they have an HRH and do not get security, as in Harry’s case).
QEII issued a Letters Patent to make sure that Charlotte was second in the line of succession and that all of William’s children got HRHs, not just the direct heir as it was in her father’s time. It’s kind of like royal protocol: it exists at the whim and will of the BRF. Because it’s viewed as NBD, akin to bowing and curtsying depending on XYZ critera, the royal rota will totally support William in stripping Harry and Meghan of their HRH titles, no matter how many people point out how racist and punitive it would be.
The dukedom of Sussex however, even though it is a royal dukedom follows British aristocracy rules for titles and what they entail (eg male heir succession only). It would take an act of Parliament to revoke and for reasons stated by many others, it’s unlikely they would support removing the Sussex title. I believe that Edward because he was, erm, loaned the Duke of Edinburgh title but it is not able to be inherited was a one-off and since it didn’t involve removing a title but granting one, Parliament was all “Elmo shrug meme.”
I wish the Sussexes just didn’t care. that would be the ultimate burn, IMO. But I don’t know anything about this stuff or what’s at stake. I just detest the concept of “royalty” in this modern age. They’re not special because of who their parents are and they are not chosen by god to be inherently superior.
Thx Lady Esther and nic919. So what I’m getting from this is that techincially William as king can write a LP targeting just Harry and the Sussex fam, removing their HRH. Not the ducal ones though bc that is tied to parliament. Removal of the hrh wouldn’t need parliamentary approval but it would just look really bad. And at the end of the day if William took the titles he would be admitting that its nothing special. So sure, go ahead.
In short, William, when King, has exclusive power to remove the HRH and Prince/Princess titles by Letters Patent. He doesn’t have to make it generally promulgated. It can be specific, as has already been posted.
Removal of the Dukedom is the exclusive jurisdiction of the UK Parliament. So that is more problematic for the Windsors.
The whole thing about him becoming king and removing their HRH is that it doesn’t matter to them in the way that it matters to him. This whole conversation isn’t because Meghan or Harry used their HRH. They still held to their end of the agreement and have not used it or made money off of their royal titles. This all started because someone else outside of the Sussex household respected them as royalty and rightfully addressed as such, which they still are and will continue to be regardless of what titles they hold or what people call them. So him removing their HRH doesn’t impact who they are or who they are seen publicly. It would be more of a sign of how the royal family isn’t as superior or relevant as they want people to believe because apparently their HRHs or titles can be taken away by a petulant man baby.
The press already supports Charles’ hypocrisy. That won’t change when William is king.
The thing is William is lazy and his lazy ways will get criticized. I think William could be in for a rude awakening.
@Tessa – it’s definitely possible, but he’ll be King regardless. I can see him hunkering down in the palace, surrounded by snacks, watching football and posting furiously in chat rooms.
George V at least removed the HRHs from people really down the line of succession, not number 5 and anyone who sided with Germany in WWI. It was a PR move for them because prior to 1917 they were House Saxe Coburg Gotha which was changed to Windsor to seem more English.
William would spark a discussion as to the existence of the monarchy if he targeted Harry, actual UK combat war veteran, and not anyone else.
I guess we all just wonder if his anger and pettiness would have him chancing it.
Can we bring back George V to read Cluck and Huevo for filth?
I would pay streaming fee to see that.
Harry is born a Prince, William has no authority to take the “Prince title” from him and by extension he cannot touch Meghan’s title as Princess. George VI issued letters patent to take HRH from Wallis (she was entitled to it) but he could not touch her title of Duchess of Windsor.
Once William is king, if he pulls spiteful (and unregal) stuff like this, I hope Harry publishes Spare 2 with all the explosive dirt he left on the publishing room floor the first time. Plus new dirt.
Hard same. I’m hoping that maybe this latest court ruling will be the straw that breaks the camel’s back and Harry just says, fck it, publish those other hundreds of pages that were left out of Spare.
Although he might need to hold on to them since they’re likely the only leverage he has over the leftovers at this point, and he needs to keep the knowledge that those pages are out there, holding it over their heads, keeping them nervous.
Notwithstanding Spare (2) and all the things the H kept back but could reveal (in a 2nd book) about his life in the British Royal Institution-masquerading-as-a-family, there is indeed as whole other book that he could write right now or as soon as his court cases against the british shitmedia end (if theyre not all over as yet.)
THAT book could be a no-holds barred account of the devolution of the british press from the POV of a member of the BRF. Thats unprecedented. It would span the period beginning when the short-sighted royals formed that “invisible contract” with the RotaRATS who, as H described them in their H&M Netflix docu, believed that this “large, dysfunctional, very ancient family” was theirs to exploit.
In their voracious desire for good press, the royals contributed both to their own demise and that of their media as the royals back-stabbed each other in their quest for said ‘good press.’ Lets not underestimate the viciousness of this grab for “good press” by the senior royals. As H said of his deadbeat dad, “he hated their hate, but oh how he loved their love.” And this pursuit by chucky of fawning coverage by the press is, I believe, the source of all the problems that have led them to this sorry pass.
And in the fallout, members of that institution/family were and are born into this contract and made to live within those parameters without their consent.
I think they took/kept it from Wallis Simpson, once they married. It was a huge issue for Edward, apparently? At least that what they’ve said in documentaries. That, and keeping them out of the U.K. I don’t know how they did it though. It’s obviously a different issue with an abdicated king and his wife from a continuity perspective but what’s “obvious” and “sensible” seems to avoid these people today.
He can’t do shit without parliament approval, and they will not open that can of worms because they know how negatively it will jeopardize the entire U.K monarchy system in the long run!! They will shut his ass down every time he entertains that stupidity!
Letters Patent is the monarch’s own legal instrument, conferring titles and styles of royals. There is no need for parliamentary approval for HRH and Prince and Princess titles. The “Royal” Dukedom follows peerage law, so is problematic because whilst it is conferred by the monarch, it may only be removed by the Parliament.
There are Abolish the Monarchy groups that would find it offensive if William tries to deliberately try to hurt his sibling out of pettiness. And others would too.
I doubt he’d do it anyway because he’s a coward. He’s just having a tantrum. The buck would stop with him and everyone would know how it happened. There would be no hiding.
I am so appalled seeing male leaders whose sole leadership style is revenge and retribution. What I find most troubling is how the thought of revenge, retribution and retaliation seems to speak to a large number of people, both male and female.
@Harla, it’s so disappointing. (and terrifying because of the amount of power these types of people currently hold)
Don’t mistake this for sympathy for William, because I don’t have any, but it’s got to be exhausting to be this hate filled all the time.
Honestly. I feel like I would have a constant headache if I was him, spending his days obsessing over his hatred. And I don’t think he’ll EVER get over it, no matter how old he gets or what titles he holds. He’s just a fundamentally petty, little man.
It’s pretty obvious William never got any therapy after Diana passed because he would not be this obsessed with jealousy if he had proper therapy. He’s almost 43 and all he has done is compete with his younger brother even though he’s inherited a duchy making him rich and he will be in line for even more.
Who else is Will angry with? Just Harry and Meghan? Archie? Lili? How is that acceptable to spread ire to two young children? How angry is he with Kate in private when he is so off with her in public? Some dimwit in the Fail spun his reticent around his wife as having to hold back tightly for fear of giving into his uncontrollable urges??? He looks like he wants to taser her when she tries to pat his bum! Will looks like he simmers with rage especially at the imposition of carrying out his light schedule. The resentment of having to work regularly as King is written on his face. He is self soothing by planning to hurt his brother as much as he can when he becomes King? Very unhealthy to be suffused with so much jealousy and bitterness towards a younger brother who escaped from his control and won’t be returning for another kicking.
I don’t think it has anything to do with Diana. He was an entitled, spoilt, nasty brat growing up. He just has a grandiose sense of entitlement with a spiteful character as an adult.
William was never corrected for his bad behavior (this before his mother passed away). Out of spite, he banned his parents from an Eton Picnic and invited Tiggy (who publicly trashed Diana’s parenting of William and Harry. The Queen should have called William to account and say he is not going to the picnic at all. Diana even packed the lunch and William “barred her.” I think the family let him get away with things he should have not gotten away with. And it probably angered him after he spurned Diana’s going with him, that she and Harry shared the lunch.
Lady Digby that’s hilarious. How does this person explain how his public “uncontrollable urges” for his wife of 12 years has never been an issue until the last few years? Did he not desire her prior to Meghan and Harry leaving the UK?
He was bad before Diana died, but her death was used as a crutch to excuse this continuing. Serious therapy would have worked on all the issues. He hasn’t done any of it.
It really is terrifying. It’s all about destroying things, not creating them. Destruction and cruelty and retribution.
So William the Petty wants to use his future position as sovereign to strip the Sussexes of the honorific HRH instead of leading the country under his reign. Some KP minion who had the brain that day must have told William Parliament won’t strip the Sussexes’ titles without good reason, like treason. William won’t do it because he would have to pull Andrew’s HRH and the York girls too and Andrew would put William in a chokehold too to prevent that. Andrew’s Chinese spy connection? If that relationship has compromised the UK’s national security that is grounds to strip Andrew’s titles. But William is close to a Brit with Kremlin ties. William needs to worry if more comes out on that relationship that could motivate Parliament to remove him from the throne. Russia has experience in taking down a royal house.
The HRH issue affects not just the Yorks, but also Edward, Sophie and Anne, who are all much lower down the line and who do more of the work for them too.
William can’t isolate Harry without causing a crisis about the entire system.
He’s dumb but I don’t think there is any real chance he does this.
I think you’re right that his courtiers would be strongly advising him against doing it. I just wonder if his jealousy and anger over a lack of control in regards to harry will have him overriding it. It’s a question of how much his people will be able to keep him in check.
It is slightly different because Harry has moved permanently overseas to a non-Commonwealth Realm that has actually severed all ties, legally, socially and constitutionally from the British monarchy.
@convict, what legal or constitutional ties Harry severed? His place on the succession didn’t change, he is still on the Counsellors of State. Having a bad relationship with the family doesn’t affect the blood rights of the royalty. That is the whole point of monarchy. They are supposed to be chosen by God. Harry’s status as the son of the King can’t be changed due to tabloid lies.
He also himself offered to return the Sussex titles. BRF refused to accept it. They know is one senior member loses their titles, it will be a public discussion who else should lose it. Nobody is stupid enough to open that door.
@sevenblue: in my quest for brevity, I didn’t explain myself well. I was referring to the United States of America. If Harry and Meghan had settled in, say, Australia or Canada, there might be a different feeling. Anne, Sophie et al are still performing duties on behalf of the King. Harry isn’t and isn’t living in a Commonwealth Realm. That is the major difference.
I only consider the legal point of monarchy; that is, succession by birthright. If the UK wants to amend its Succession Act, all Commonwealth Realms must follow or it can’t be changed, unless they become republics. The last amendment did cause debate in the Australian parliament, at least.
Eugenie lives in Portugal most of the time and doesn’t do royal duties. Her title and HRH aren’t being questioned. Bea lived in NYC for years, doesn’t do royal duties, and her title and HRH aren’t being questioned either. And they’re from the absolutely disgraced ‘York’ line.
Harry and Meghan not working on behalf of the royal family wasn’t by their choice but by the choice of the institution that refused to allow them to do exactly what most of the other royals listed are already doing, which is work part time for the royal family. Harry and Meghan actually do more than the heir and his disappearing wife and Sophie and Edward.
I agree that all the Commonwealth realms have to agree to any modification of the line of succession, but the HRH is separate from that. William removing it only from Harry and his kids, and not from the ones lower down the line, and for no real reason, would blow up the entire system, especially if Andrew kept his.
Harry would still remain after Louis with or without an HRH. Anne’s children don’t have one and they remain in the line of succession.
@convict you don’t know this for certain. This is what the tabloids say but nothing has been said officially by Prince Harry or the palace.
Sounds like William squeezed in a rewatch of The Godfather in between posting on football forums and pointedly ignoring his long-suffering tenants. “Never go against the family!” 🙄🙄
This is one of the reasons why I hope the monarchy gets abolished.
Harryis loved, admired for who he is/has done not because the family was born in.
William has followers because of who he was born as. Wonder if any will stay if that is taken away. Incl. Kate if queen is no longer an option.
So what? The only people who care about HRHs are the worst examples of them: Princess Maggie, Paedo Andy, etc.
NO ONE CARES, Willy. You did zip all to earn it, and we all know it. Titles matter less and less in the modern world, which you are too small-of-brain to grasp. Stamp your little feet, take away titles and rage on; it amounts to little because society is focused on people who have measurable accomplishments.
Lil’ Willy is about to find out that this isn’t his grandmother’s monarchy any more.
I think he’s far too stupid to realize that doing this would make HIM look bad, not Harry or Meghan, who are just out there minding their own business and living their lives.
This right here. I’ve been royal watching for darn near three decades now, and these people are always stripping the HRH from one person or another. I still haven’t been given a real answer on why this particular style is particularly important, or why the general public should care. Do they think…like, does William think that Harry “losing” his HRH title is going to make him suddenly anonymous or something? That’s ridiculous. From my understanding the HRH thing is to do with how they are treated within the royal household, what level of security they receive and stuff like that? Harry has already left the royal household and will not return, and he has already been stripped of the security or whatever the legal case is about. So….how would this effect H&M at all? Seriously tho, it seems that this is really what’s going on with the royalists and derangers: they actually do believe that Harry and Meghan are famous because of their titles. When in reality…Harry is famous because of his position. Stripping the HRH doesn’t change the fact that he is Diana and Charles’ son and has been famous since birth.
I truly don’t think Harry & Meghan care that much, except that taking the titles and HRHs would have marked their children as lesser within the family. Now that they are outside the family so completely, I think they’d let William hang himself, which taking their HRHs would be.
Let him. What recourse would he have if they just ignore him and continue to use them in that case?
Didn’t Meghan just confirm that their family name is now ‘Sussex’? So whatever Wee Willy wants to do is irrelevant? The default would be Prince Harry, Princess Meghan, Prince Archie and Princess Lilibet. Someone better rein in that lazy heir and his totalitarian ways! He appears rather unhinged as well as displaying a god complex!
It would actually be Princess Harry (as with Princess Michael). Only born princesses get to be Princess [Firstname], not married-ins
Of course, Princess Diana was never actually Princess Diana either so that wouldn’t stop the public calling her ‘Princess Meghan’
Yes, I think they must have legally changed their surname to ‘Sussex’, so no matter what Bill does – that is their legal surname and he cannot take it away.
They were only requested not to use them in commercial situations, they have stuck to their agreement with the late Queen. There is no reason why they can’t use them in everyday life as long as it is nothing to do with business and Harry can certainly use his with Invictus. It’s the journalists creating this latest controversy to sell advertising space. And perhaps to keep William happy.
William is a loser. He needed counseling and now is raging about Harry. William should lose his titles. Would those who protest the monarchy tolerate this sort of vengeful behavior. If Will lets Andrew keep his titles he will be a laughingstock.
I have to laugh at the derangers who say that Diana preferred William and would be SO proud of William. What a bad joke.
William who shoved her against a wall? Yeah ok, I think she would probably encourage him to get anger management, but of course he would never do that.
Let me see if I can get this strait. Sigh. William wants to strip their HRH titles? Does that take away their duke and duchess of Sussex titles too or is that a separate thing? And again, most of the world outside of the uk doesn’t care about HRH. Harry is still a prince from the royal family and thus his family is also royal and the world will still see it that way with or without an HRH. That said, I can see William doing whatever punitive action he can against the Sussexes once he is king.
No shit, I believe it’s probably the one and only thing he’s imagined doing as king.
I can imagine a hugely embarrassing and aggressive build-up about what a major kingly move it is, and M&H will simply shrug and pivot cleanly to Prince Harry and Meghan Sussex in all of their branding and projects, as they are *already currently known*.
I don’t think it will happen but it would be the funniest thing if Harry beat Bullyiam to the punch and they relinquished their titles as soon as he becomes king. I truly believe they have not relinquished their titles purely out of respect to Charles rather than any sense of attachment or entitlement.
They will not GIVE A SHIT and will continue to enjoy their beautiful lives and successes, and all the sad and desperate losers who have salivated for the moment for so long will still be sad and desperate losers.
Yep, it’s why whatever big speech you craft in your head that you’d love to give to the person who dumped you should never actually be given. It will not give you what you want!
I would actually like to see Harry and Meghan give up their royal titles as a middle finger to William. Royal titles are stupid and have no place in modern society.
However, if they want to keep the titles out of nostalgia or whatever, . . . we’ll, they’re in America now, they can legally change their names to whatever they want. Legally, they can change it to Prince Henry and Princess Meghan (like Prince Rogers Nelson) if they wanted to. And there’s nothing William could do about it, thanks to that war in the late 18th century that we won.
Willie can rant and scream and take away titles all he wants. Harry will go on being Harry regardless. Meghan will continue to be radiantly kind. Archie annd Lili will be all there aremeant to be regardless of titles.
Willie will continue to look like the tiny man that he is through and through, along with his equally useless Queen.
I personally think it’s not even worth a discussion. Outside of little England no-one cares, and I bet Harry and Meghan don’t care either. Even if he takes the Dukedom, Harry will always be Prince Harry, the son of a King (unless they abolish the monarchy which I would love). Meghan would be princess, but she needs no title to be her awsome self. She’s already a legend. And they will now forever be Harry, Meghan, Archie and Lili Sussex. That’s there official last name in their passports. And the kids? I think they will never use prince and princess. For them it could become a grotesque and foreign concept without meaning.
Meghan is already Princess Henry of Wales.
No she isn’t. When the new titles were announced on the wedding day, he was Prince Henry, Duke of Sussex. No mention of Wales because it was now not applicable.
That would make her Princess Henry of Sussex if nothing else. Neither of them would be ‘Wales’ again because Harry’s father is the King. If anything, they’d be Prince and Princess Henry of Lancaster while Charles is alive, and who knows after that.
I think he’s Prince Henry of the United Kingdom and so she’s Princess Henry of the UK.
When Charles was Prince of wales, his children were of wales in addition to the duchy titles. Kate was Princess William of Wales and Meghan was Princess Henry of Wales.
Once Charles became king, the wales was dropped. William is The Prince William and Harry is The Prince Henry. Therefore Meghan is now The Princess Henry, along with Duchess of Sussex.
Kate is The Princess William along with The Princess of Wales.
Married women do not get their names in The formal title unless they make it to Queen consort. Adding the first name is what they do to widows or divorced women.
As I understand it, Harry is now correctly called either HRH Prince Henry. (They only promised not to use the HRH for commercial reasons,) or HRH the Duke of Sussex. Non royal dukes are properly, His Grace the Duke of somewhere. The Judge in his latest court case addressed Harry as your royal highness, which was correct, court cases and Invictus are not commercial schemes so the Ukrainian minister was also correct.
“There have been many calls in the U.K. for the couple to be stripped of their titles, including parliamentary bills (none of which have been successful.)”
This has to make it through Parliament. If William doesn’t have the votes, he’s going to look incredibly dumb. And the tricky thing for William is going to be navigating Anne, Edward, and especially Andrew. If his reasoning is that there’s a stripped-down royal family, it will affect all of them. If it’s scandal, Edward, Sophie, Andrew and (?) Fergie along with the kids and grandkids should go. Illegal activity? Bye-bye Andrew et al. Harry and Meghan did nothing wrong other than not being popular with other family members and refusing to be scapegoats. This would blow up in William’s face.
Fergie is divorced from the family but clings on.
She clings because she was stupid enough not to go for alimony and QEII was a cheapskate who was stupid not to give it to her. Fergie should have been put in a small apartment at KP, put on a small allowance, and forced to have her finances regulated and overseen by Buck House the rest of her life.
Willy already looks dumb, and these screaming rage articles that he has his cohorts write just show the stark difference between the brothers.. one has a confidence and energy that brings people in, gets things accomplished and has a natural swagger some of you have referred to it as BDE, the other comes across like an extremely insecure whiny spoiled child throwing a tantrum in other words a grown ass man with SDE we should thank the rota for highlighting his inadequacy with articles like this.
I think this kind of vengeful meanness is being normed. I can see a future in which we regain our humanity and a move like this would resonate differently and would not be done.
I hope you’re right, @NoHope, and that the world we’re living in now proves to be untenable, long term. (Unfortunately I’m not particularly optimistic, but I’m trying to hold on to at least a shred of hope.)
Alas Nohope I think there’s no hope of the world returning to what it was. There’s a toxic energy swirling and it’s the new norm.
This is dumb and will never happen because Andrew. If Andrew is dead at that point, maybe? But if not, nope. And also there’s too many other hangers on that use their formal address so again, it would make William look more racist than his father.
“Punish more severely? The very idea of wanting to “punish” an adult guiltless family man, the monarch’s second son, his wife and his two young children shows the utter absurdity of these people’s thinking.
This country must protect itself from all the perversions of its press and their patrons and rid itself of this sadistic, vengeful archaic mob and get to safety. Their language and thinking is unbearable for modern man.
Incidentally, the casual user of the internet sees the full malignancy of these agreements and all the “brute force” of a press that thinks everyone is stupid and wants to hide what a corrosive power game is being played here. Prince Harry is and will remain the second son of the monarch and, as long as there is a monarchy, the brother of the heir to the throne. He is forever part of that family and, like his wife and children, is forever a royal highness. This only from a casual internet user who recognises the truth because he can read real texts and despises propaganda and clickbait.
I keep remembering TQ’s funeral, when Harry (the veteran) was not allowed to wear his uniform while all the other royals had on theirs, with medals, braids, and shit all over. I’ve always thought that William was probably responsible for this, hoping to humiliate his brother and put him in his place. How furious he must have been when Harry looked the most regal of all. He radiated love and grief and the others looked like they had wandered straight out of Gilbert and Sullivan. William can’t remove what Harry has that makes both individuals and governments seek him out.
I think that iconic photo was from Prince Phillip’s funeral but yes, agree. He stood out so much that I think they essentially had all the men wear suits at the queen’s funeral to prevent that from happening again. Then, it became a thing for royalists and the BM about who had the most medals on their suits or something.
Do you think Willie is ever going to get tired of having egg all over his face every time he opens his mouth about Harry, or tries some new ignorant stunt that he thinks will make him clever and better than Harry only to have it backfire on him again? He’s going to be 80 and still threatening Harry.
@JAIS
@Jais
You’ve got it all mixed up. Philip’s funeral was intimate and there were only a few people, there was covid.
At Elizabeth’s funeral they wanted to humiliate him and didn’t let him wear a uniform and Harry was alone in a suit among fake royal uniforms and looked like a king with bodyguards, with protection. :))) Especially since Harry, in uniform or not, has a great soldier’s attitude. This photo went viral in all the world’s media, and for the vigil by Elizabeth’s coffin they already told Harry to wear a uniform:)))
Whoops! I really thought that happened at Phillips. Wasn’t there a later event though where they told everyone to just wear suits to prevent that from happening again?
@JAIS
Indeed, you reminded me, there was something like that, I don’t know if it was at the funeral the next day, but I’m not sure. In any case, they were making sure they didn’t look like Harry’s bodyguards again:)))
In actually fact what happened is correct, you can only wear uniform on these occasions if you hold the rank of Major, or above, when Harry resigned his commission he was a Captain.
@sunnyside up
Harry did NOT resign from his position, the palace recalled him, that he had to resign and come back because he was needed at the palace. And the truth was that Harry was supposed to be promoted and would have a higher rank than William and that would be earned in war and not on the couch, that’s why they told him to quickly give up his uniform so that it wouldn’t happen. He was one of the best Apache pilots and soldiers in the unit, his commander said.
All this is happening, it’s because of the jealousy of a lazy and cowardly asshole
“It’s no secret William wants Harry more harshly dealt with. He thinks he has betrayed the family from top to bottom, which is the ultimate Windsor crime.”
I actually find this language scary. I know it’s William’s usual bluster, but the guy has serious anger issues. If this rage monster doesn’t get help — and I don’t see that happening at this point — there’s no telling how far he’ll go to get back at Harry for simply living the life that he (William) desperately wants, but isn’t willing to work to get.
‘For now, friends of William say, he will “respect his father’s rank” and follow his lead, but they say that when William becomes king, Harry and Meghan could be “more harshly dealt with.’
— This kind of casual talk of the current king’s death used to get a person beheaded, back in the day.
Richard II was deposed, he went in for vengeful things like seizing property from his own Uncle and other relatives. And vengeful monarchs are not popular. He believed in divine right of Kings and was out of touch with the public., it seems William does this too. William needs counseling.
Interesting choice of words (civil war and gloves will be off) when referring to William and his attitude towards his brother and biracial SIL. There have been several wars that they could have referenced yet they chose one that took place in the U.S. and was racially charged. Him attacking his brother and his supporters thinking that assault is okay for him to do, but them speaking against their abuse is crossing the line in their minds. That tells you how similar they are to the MAGA who support Trump. There is no rationalizing with them because they are blinded by hate and their cult like fixation of mediocre people that they put on a pedestal.
The English had a civil war, too. They killed their king.
Didn’t Charles demand they stop using the HRH styling when they left royal work? Anyway, only a Letters Patent to Parliament or a request to the Privy Council for approval can set the ball in motion to remove their titles of nobility (lifetime peerages starting with Duke/Duchess) and hasn’t been done since 1917 for collusion with Germany during WWI. It takes many readings by Parliament, the Privy Council and House of Lords to approve, the King’s signature is just required for the final sign-off.
All this indignant kerfuffle making it look like the HRH was something Meghan demanded is just ridiculous.
@jaded
Harry wanted to give up his titles when he left, but the Queen did not agree. He himself proposed that they would not use HRH in commercial activities. He does not use HRH at all, which does not change the fact that he will still give HRH, even though the palace has removed them from their name on its website.
The Ukrainian Minister sent them/Harry an official letter of thanks, she used their official titles. The Palace has a problem with them saying that they were taken away, which was a lie that was revealed.
It is pathetic that they are so dense that they do not see that the screams and vomiting of the palace are a slap in the face to the Ukrainian government.
I doubt the Palace said that they were taken away, I put that down to the press being economical with the truth.
A private member’s Bill can be introduced to Parliament. Those haven’t been successful.
William the cruel and lazy is a bitter ugly inside and out sloppy looking eggplant. I wish he would grow the f up already. Such a waste of oxygen.
He doesn’t have the power to take the HRH titles alone and will cause a cascade of chaos the aristocrats don’t want if he pursues this. No one who benefits from the monarchy/aristocracy wants too much scrutiny puts on those titles/centuries of white privilege or mercurial Will-not having the power to willy nilly yank titles and birthrights on a whim. If he can f#ck over Harry, he can do the same thing to any of them and they know it.
How about William starts by taking a shower . He looks unwashed.
You know, it seems like William is hurtling toward becoming the main character in a cautionary tale about counting chickens before they hatch. God don’t like ugly,
Psalm 2:4-5
“4The One enthroned in heaven laughs;
the Lord taunts them.
5Then He rebukes them in His anger,
and terrifies them in His fury”
There is simply no justification for this relentless hounding of Harry and his wife and children. All Meghan did was show up, do good and do it better than Harry’s white relatives. It’s the same sin poor David comitted against Saul. Instead of him being happy that his kingdom had a champion who slew Goliath, he got all in his feelings and spent the latter part of his reign trying to kill David.
William needs to stop this pointless unjust vendetta. The only one that will be destroyed is William.
He is Britains version of Donald J Chump
I have no doubt that William is petty and would love to strip Harry’s titles if possible, but I don’t believe this story came from William (or anyone connected to William) or that William has anything to do with it.
Stripping Harry’s HRH would be disastrous and would create a very dangerous precedent for the younger Cambridge kids. Will doesn’t want to go down that road.
Tom Sykes is the RR who first pushed the Will/Rose Hanbury affair rumour into being common knowledge, and the one who did the most to publicly validate the rumour. Remember, Tom Sykes was the person who wrote an article claiming that the daughter (or was it granddaughter) of an Earl had told him Will was having an affair with Rose, and he later wrote an article claiming that he’d been told about the affair by three separate, unrelated, people who were all in a position well-connected enough to know. Tom Sykes is an aristo himself (descended from a Baronet, and his family have historically been close friends with the monarch) and very well-connected in those circles. If it wasn’t for Tom Sykes, sugars would be able to brush off the rumour as just something spread by fans on social media, or blame Giles Coren for it.
So the idea that William is using the man who publicly exposed him as a cheater as a mouthpiece, is just baffling. Will and Tom Sykes hate each other, the DailyBeast is the last publication on the planet that Will would ever leak things to. Will has pet newspapers and pet journalists who leak what he tells them to leak, why on earth would he confide in the man he knows dislikes him and would throw him under a bus in a heartbeat?
The thing about the tabloids and the RRs is that they just make stuff up all the time. I used to work in journalism, and I honestly think non-Brits and even a lot of Brits would be shocked by how often tabloid journalists just invent complete lies out of thin air. Often I read comments speculating “pph I wonder who planted this story, Charles, or Camilla, or Will, or Kate..” and like yeah all four of them DO leak stuff, but chances are any given tabloid story wasn’t leaked by anyone in the BRF, it was just made up by some journo without anyone in the RF even being aware of it. Look at all the stuff about George’s school, there’s so much feverish speculation as to what it means, but I know for a fact that at least one of those articles was invented by bored tabloid journalists and not leaked by anyone connected to the Cambridges. (Of course it’s very possible that other articles were leaked, just that at least one was just plum made up.)
So this article could be Tom hearing gossip from people who work at KP who have overheard Will ranting about wanting to strip Harry’s title, or it could be TS just s***-stirring to create drama. But I don’t believe for a second that William intentionally leaked the story to TS.
I agree, I think a lot is invented by the press.
If this is them giving Sykes these quotes, than it’s embarrassing that Willy the idiot and his minions have no clue how international diplomacy work.
Officials from a friendly nation will ALWAYS refer to or address royals, diplomats, dignitaries and the likes, with there formal/official job/royal titles.
That’s courtesy.
For instance, if these illiterates were paying attention, they would have noticed that the Dutch Prime Minister and the Federal President had addressed him as ” HRH Prince Harry” in their opening speeches at IG The Hague in 2022, and IG Düsseldorf in 2023. As it should be. These countries know (as does the Ukrainian Minister) how international diplomacy and royal protocol need to be applied – both countries have and used to have a monarchy.
Willy better go do the prep work for his kingship (instead of bitching on every turn, about everything H&M), because he’s showing that he’s lacking a lot.
I have not mused much about William becoming king, because I felt it was inevitable. But the thought occurred to me that if it does happen, the spotlight will be unfiltered on Willy, and he may be in for unprecedented backlash, or find that he hates the demands. If that were the case, I would be all for it. I don’t know how far he would be willing to go to get back at Harry, but he does and would have some parameters.
William won’t go after the Sussex dukedom but I can see him amending the Letters Patent so Archie and Lilibet lose the Prince and Princess title because he knows that will hurt Harry more.
I can see him making it that only the heir and his children and the children of the heir presumptive can be called Prince and Princess. So, George’s children and only George’s heir will be styled that way but not Charlotte or Louis kids. This is what Charles was thinking about doing and told Harry and Meghan when she was pregnant; it was shelved because Harry and Meghan openly discussed it in the Oprah interview.
His entire reason for existing is to one-up Harry. It’s so cringe!
Go for it! It would just give even more of a perception to the world that the leftovers are envious and jealous of HM.
Didn’t William say he’d restore his mother’s HRH when he became King? Instead he’ll take away her other’s son’s title.
Will it matter anyway – Harry and Meghan are big enough to be known worldwide as that now. Just as Diana was known by her name.
I find this so embarrassing for willy and royalist who are waiting for it to happen. I do think he will if he’s able, but then what? I don’t think the titles mean as much as royalist want them to to harry and Meghan. Yes they use them, but I think they’d just move on. And if it’s true they changed their last name to sussex legally, what can he do about? Couple edits on their website to remove duke and duchess and move on. And when nothing changes, He and royalist will find something else to complain about.
Yeah that’s a message to send to your black, brown and mixed race people in your country. You are not worthy to be HRH or have titles in our very white family. I’m quite sure that will go down well. All those poc who claim that the Royal family isn’t racist this will show them let alone what it shows to the rest of world. Is he willing to strip Beatrice, Eugenie and Andrew of their titles. By the way over Andrew’s dead body will this happen. What about Princess Michael who uses her HRH to sale her books. Will he take away Fergie’s Duchess title or is it only for the mixed race people in his family. If he tries this, What would his reason be? He really would have to come up with a legitimate one if he is willing to take it this far. I really don’t think anyone in the Labor government would go along with this. Who wants to be the labor official to sign off on this and explain it to your mixed race constituents who elected you to office. Even Queen Elizabeth didn’t want this to happen. She was the one who insisted they still have security and a home in the UK even though her son disregarded her wishes. He really needs to shut down this can of worms. The American press would have a field day painting him and his family as racist. American press aren’t just right wing. Does this guy want all of his secrets exposed. It will start a war within that family. I really don’t think he want s to go there.