Lady Gaga: “I want to be the grandmother of pop music”

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Jesus, Esquire Magazine has an EPIC profile of Lady Gaga, and they just put it online. It’s actually not a traditional profile, as there is nothing in the way of a traditional interview with Our Lady of Gah. It’s written by Brendan Sullivan, a self-described “old friend” of Gaga’s, from before she was even Gaga. Brendan also gave these never-before-seen photos of a young Gaga (circa 2007-08) to the magazine. The full piece is here, and here are some of the highlights, including “remembered” quotes attributed to Gaga, but from back in the day:

Lady Gaga has work to do. She’s a manager, and the client she manages is Lady Gaga. She is obsessive, a style she learned from people like her friend the late Alexander McQueen, the fashion designer for whom she was a muse. She spends hours on many days constructing and fine-tuning what designers call mood boards — collages of artwork, fashion inspirations, and drawings meant to direct the stylists and artists (wardrobe, hair, and makeup) who execute her vision of Lady Gaga. A mood board develops into a storyboard, and it all morphs into a live show. The music is just one element of the presentation.

The most important thing you should know about Lady Gaga is that she has just started. The four number-one singles on her debut album (five if you count the deluxe version with “Bad Romance”), the sold-out world tour last year at age twenty-three — she doesn’t see these as her moment. To her, this is the foundation.

“There is a musical government, who decides what we all get to hear and listen to. And I want to be one of those people.” The girl who said that didn’t yet have the number-one hits (although she had already written most of them). She was not yet the creative director of the Haus of Gaga, which is what she calls the machine of more than a hundred creative people who work for her. She didn’t make that statement in an interview or from the stage. She made it in 2007, when she was a go-go dancer sewing her own outfits and I was her DJ. She wrote it in one of my notebooks.

In those days Stefani Germanotta was what you would call a struggling artist — a go-go dancer who wanted to take over the music world. On Saturdays we would sit on the floor of her bare Lower East Side apartment, drinking wine from pint glasses. I would read drafts of my novel to her while she lay on the floor, head in my lap. Every once in a while we’d take a Springsteen break. (She loves “Thunder Road.”) She would use the drafts as blank pages to write notes, workshopping her career plan.

Once she told me that she wanted to be the “grandmother of pop music,” bringing up new bands, nurturing their talents, watching them grow.

Back in the summer of 2007, there was a night when she popped out of a cake and sang “Happy Birthday, Mr. President” for my then boss, the owner of Beauty Bar Manhattan. It was fitting, somehow — the Marilyn reference. I’ll quote something she said to me one day around that time as directly as I can: “No one in the world knows who I am, but they are going to want to know who I am. My first time ever on TV I want to be on a huge show where I play one song. I’m going to come out onstage in my underwear and show the world that here I am and I don’t give a ffff-ck what anyone thinks of me.”

The difference between Lady Gaga and every other young singer is that most of the others ask the world, “Do you like the way I sing? Will you buy my record and come to my show?” Gaga tells the world, “I am famous. I was famous before even I had heard of me.” She didn’t dream of fame. She announced it.

Suddenly she is a star. That happens to a lot of people, and then suddenly they aren’t stars. But flashes in the pan often disappear because they follow what they think are the rules of becoming famous — or what someone else tells them the rules are. Nobody tells Lady Gaga anything. The same bright girl who popped out of cakes and who created her own way of being famous once helped me understand something important. I was stressing out about how to end my novel, and she stopped me. She grabbed the draft, flipped over the final page, pulled the cap off a Sharpie, and wrote, “No story should ever end in resolution.”

[From Esquire]

Gaga is such a crazy bitch – and once again, here come the Madonna comparisons. But there is the whiff, the ghost of Madonna with this too, isn’t there? Madonna plans things out like Gaga. Madonna is OCD about her image too. But, like others have noted with the Madonna-Gaga comparison, Gaga has whimsy, humor, there’s a wink there, buried underneath the sparkles and the lobster headpieces. With Madonna, it’s all business, it’s all cold underneath. Just my take!

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Photos courtesy of Esquire, full slideshow here.

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  1. RedEyeJedi says:

    eww all kinds of grossness. lady butterface.

  2. Mistral says:

    Whatever! You cannot be the GRANDMOTHER of something you did not “give birth to”. Only an originator of pop music could be a “grandmother” of pop. So, fail on that Gaga. This pony isn’t pulling any new tricks.

  3. Just a Poster says:

    Grandmother of Pop? Um no.. perhaps the Bratty alluring spoiled cousin of Pop. I could live with that.

  4. MingMing says:

    Very talented artist.
    The ‘grandmother’ thing is about mentoring other performers later on.
    Lady GaGa plans to stay around for a long time!
    Madonna was able to do that but GaGa will prove to be much more creative, much more outrageous.

  5. Trillion says:

    Yeah, Gaga’s way too late to be the grandmother of pop. But speaking of age, I’m old enough to remember early early Madonna and she had a real sense of playfulness and humor about herself for a little while there. Hard to imagine in now though.

  6. Just a Poster says:

    Trillion I am right there with you. Remember when she was on American Bandstand?

  7. Sumodo says:

    Gaga is all right. Baby Bowie, not Granny of Pop, tho.

  8. Anastasia says:

    Love her. And I think you nailed it, Madonna has always taken herself FAR too seriously, what I like about Lady Gaga is that there’s something self-deprecating there. There’s humor, there’s not so much stuffiness, you know?

    Everything she does doesn’t feel like she’s presenting it as THE MOST AMAZING THING EVER PREPARE TO HAVE YOUR MIND BLOWN BY MY AMAZINGNESS like Madonna did.

    It’s just cheeky pop fun.

  9. Carrie says:

    Yup, there was a time when Madonna didn’t take herself too seriously- she was always about the pop art of her performances/personality, but in the early years there was a wink underneath all of the artistic artifice. Then Madonna turned into MADONNA, and we all know the Madge we have now (and I love her completely, but she is one of the all-time greatest C*ntbombs of pop culture).

    Interesting to see which way Gaga goes…she could be like Dolly Parton, in on the joke, or like Madonna, out to destroy those who question it.

  10. B says:

    How about Tranmother of Pop? Is that a peen protruding in the pic w/the pole? It dosen’t resemble a V from that angle. Whatevah gendah, I still like her energy, performances, confidence, creativity and catchy music. GoGaGa

  11. RHONYC says:

    i loved her old nose.

    she was packin’ some cake b4 she went on her ‘pop diet’. lol

    go gaga!

    🙂

  12. danielle says:

    Really loving gaga.

  13. abbizmal says:

    Why compare Lady Gaga and Madonna because Lady Gaga is so far above Madonna in talent, creativity and, well just about everything? I know I’m probably alone here, but I really like Lady Gaga.

  14. Laylo says:

    “Grandmother” of Pop?

    Don’t we already have one Madonna…?

  15. malina says:

    I don’t mind her in general and I admit she’s talented but also too full of herself thinking she’s a living legend and some kind of a genius etc. whereas she is just a creative person like millions of ppl around the world (plus she gets a lot of professionals working on her image, songs and stuff).

  16. Wow says:

    I like her. She keeps on doing her thing. I love creative people.

  17. gg says:

    Yeah she blows madge away.

  18. Seri says:

    I do wish that she’d kept her softer figure. it was so voluptuous and pretty. but i guess you need to have a lot of muscle to have the endurance to put on so many shows like she does :/

  19. Emily says:

    Seri, I agree. She was much hotter a year or two ago. But I get the feeling that her weight loss is more to do with overworking, not some crazy diet.

  20. EMV says:

    what a fluff piece…Esquire FAIL

  21. Fifthpocket says:

    One day, she sprung fully formed from her own skull – Thus Gaga was born. She decided to be and was.

  22. Anastasia says:

    Carrie, what a great post.

    I LOVE her! Not ironically, not jokingly, I LOVE Lady Gaga. I think she’s a talented songwriter and singer (her voice is much stronger than Madonna’s, by the way). She’s entertaining, her songs are addictive, and like I said before I love that she seems “in on the joke” and can laugh at herself.

    I hope she has a good career and doesn’t ever take herself too seriously.

  23. gg says:

    She hired a trainer and works out like a madwoman. She wanted abs, so she got some.

  24. Dookie Howser, B.S. says:

    Well, ambition is a good thing but remember that Madonna has had a lengthy career that’s spanned decades, GaGa has been around for a few years. You need more than one hit album before you hit “legend” status.

  25. Crash2GO2 says:

    OK, I am completely at a loss here as to what anyone sees or hears in this woman. She is an unattractive posing slimeball who’s music hurts my ears so much I had to shut if off after 3 minutes (I tried, I really did). What the hell?? Oh – and I feel the same way about Madonna. Always have. Does that explain it? These photos are disgusting!!

  26. n says:

    can’t wait for her next single video, alejandro. i’m getting tired of hearing her on the radio but can’t stop getting enough of it

  27. beardreader says:

    Melina you just pin-pointed exactly what bothers me about her, I just get the feeling she’s all like.. “Bow down and worship me peasants!”

    I think it’s awesome that she set her goals high and is so far acheiving them though, that is inspiring! And I have always believed that stars are born, there are so many wannabes out there wasting their time because they just don’t have *it*, and it can’t be manufactured.

  28. jover says:

    I’m on your side crash2g02; Bowie,Elton John, the English glam rockers of the 70s, Euro pop stars of the 80s, Disco queens all did performance art/music much better than Gaga. Notice how everything is image not about the actual quality of the songs many of which she did not write. 20 years from now her music will be forgotten; it is too thin and insubstantial; it just doesn’t grab you. There are thousands are clips of Hendrix, Santana, Zepellin etc. on youtube showing the lasting power of that music. Gaga is an example of how desperate people are for anything fresh and so they’ve latched on to this minimal talent. I don’t want to hate on her but she’s not all that.

  29. scotchy says:

    but how can someone stay around in the music world when the music they make is well bad and not memorable.
    there is no soul or truth in what she does and everything is a copy of yes, madonna, freddy mercury, gwen stefani and musically cher the later dance years
    yes i get it her voice is alright, she can play the piano, but she writes, meaningless crap songs, i wouldn’t even call it music, there is no truth or substance in anything she does, in order to stay around don’t you have create something new and substantial?

  30. Kelly says:

    First, be it’s friend. AND TAKE UP MACRAME INSTEAD.

    Enough already.

  31. bb says:

    Grandmother? – well that face of hers is certainly looking old enough.

    At least Madonna and Bowie had looks when they were younger. Gaga is y-u-k with bug eyes, penis nose and a man jaw. I don’t know how anyone can even compare her to the people mentioned here.

  32. Lita says:

    To anyone that says you need talent (plus maybe looks and a cool name) to make it in the music industry, I give you: Lady Gaga! Grandmother of boring, manufactured, contrived *oh so shocking, ooh err* pointlessness.

    Though you haven’t needed talent to make it in MOR music for some time now, really. Damn I wish that some new CB stories were posted so I hadn’t resort to reading this ..

  33. foobie says:

    Her nose looks different.
    Is it? Can someone help me out here?
    I’m not good at playing Spot The Nose Job.

  34. jessica says:

    why the hell are people comparing madonna The Queen of Pop to this retarded hippie??? Madonna had 11 Hugely successful and amazing Studio albums and alot of other Sensational soundtrack album..This bi*ch just had her first two albums,Only one of which was A hit..At least madonna has class and looks and doesn’t do drugs..Madonnas Songs are still Memorably after 26 years..i wonder if we are gonna remember this frog in about two years?

  35. connie says:

    while i don’t care for the ‘artiste’ side of gaga, the outfits, or over the top interviews i’d be lying if i said i didn’t love, love, love her music. it’s just fun plain and simple. good beats and easy to dance to. sometimes that’s all im looking for in music. a good time. one of her lyrics is “find your freedom in the music” and i think its something she sticks with

  36. Trillion says:

    Gaga doesn’t have Madonna’s looks, true. This isn’t modeling, people. Her ability to write, play piano, and sing blows Madonna out of the water. But judging from the comments here, her lack of traditional cuteness is a wall that prevents many from being able to acknowledge that she’s actually much more talented than most singers at her level of popularity.

  37. Jillian says:

    She’s my hero.

  38. dizzybenny says:

    we live in a world that CaCa and Bieber are the new pop ”icon”.
    CaCa compared to Madonna…pllllease!
    Bieber compared to the Beatles….wtf?!?
    No wonder in the past 10 years i’ve gone back wayyy back in time and started listening to Duke Ellington,Nat King Cole,Bird and the Dizz!
    now THAT is music to swing and dance to!!!

  39. mollination says:

    She looks great in that header pic!

  40. Efrain Rigo says:

    I really like Lady Gaga with her odd costumes although she definitely let herself down this time going out in see through undergarments.

  41. Lady Gaga is so intelligent!