Here are some photos of Roman Polanski and his son, out and about in Paris a few days ago. Since the Swiss courts refused to extradite Polanski, he’s been free to travel to pretty much whatever European country he wants (well… I don’t think he could go to England, they would probably extradite him). So Polanski went back to France, where he has lived for the most part for the past 31 years, since fleeing America. Meanwhile, here in the USA, we’ve got another Polanski sexual assault story brewing. Previously, we’re still raking over the coals of Polanski’s rape and sodomy of a 13-year-old Samantha Geimer, back in 1977, and then, back in May, actress Charlotte Lewis came forward and claimed that when she was 16 years old, Roman Polanski forced himself on her in 1985, in Paris. Charlotte Lewis is being rep’d by Gloria Allred, by the way. So the new story involves a woman named Edith Vogelhut, and an eerily similar story of Polanski drugging, raping and sodomizing a young woman.
Edith Vogelhut spent a night with Roman Polanski in 1974 and claims she was brutally raped by the famed director at Jack Nicholson’s house.
“He said, ‘Turn over, get on your stomach,’ and I’m handcuffed within minutes,” Vogelhut told RadarOnline.com in an exclusive video interview.
Vogelhut, a former model also known as Shelli Paul and Glamor magazine editor, is the most recent woman to come forward and accuse Polanski, who remains free abroad. She has reported the alleged crime to Los Angeles District Attorney, who interviewed her in May. In an exclusive interview, Vogelhut tells RadarOnline.com it started on a November night she spent with Polanski in Hollywood, explaining she met him at a star-studded dinner party hosted by The Godfather producer Robert Evans and attended by actor Warren Beatty.
After a night of dancing and booze, Vogelhut, who was 21-years-old at the time, says the two ended up at Jack Nicholson’s house for a night-cap.
“I kind of knew that we’re going to have sex, but I didn’t expect anything out of the ordinary…I did not expect to be sodomized,” she said.
Vogelhut says that after drinking some Brandy together Polanski gave her an MDMA — Methylenedioxymethamphetamine, commonly known as Ecstasy — and told her: “It’s a really good drug. It will make you feel good, it will mellow you out. It’s like a stimulator.” (Ectasy was not as widely available in the 1970s as now, but it was in circulation.)
When they eventually made it to the bedroom, she says Polanski handcuffed her and raped her.
“He grabs me by the hair, jerks my head up, snaps amyl nitrate under my nose [which when inhaled has a psychoactive effect] and enters me anally,” Vogelhut recalled of the horrifying night.
“I hurt. This was rape. I was anally raped repeatedly.”
As RadarOnline.com first revealed, Vogelhut reported the incident to the Los Angeles District Attorney.
“I kept quiet for many reasons,” Vogelhut explains.
“I was humiliated, I had absolutely no one to tell and with this group that I told you about at this dinner party that ran Hollywood, they weren’t going to believe me.”In 1977, Polanski was arrested and charged with rape by use of drugs, perversion and sodomy against 13-year-old Samantha Geimer, who also claimed the assault happened at Nicholson’s Hollywood home.
In an attempt to avoid jail time, Polanski fled the United States to his native country of France where he was protected from extradition.
After being taken into custody by Swiss authorities in 2009, the 77-year-old remains there because the Swiss freed him on July 12 instead of extraditing him to Los Angeles for sentencing in the Geimer case.
In May, 2010 British actress Charlotte Lewis came forward as well claiming Polanski assaulted her in his Paris apartment when she was just 16-years-old – a move Vogelhut says prompted her to finally come forward with her story.
She is also planning to release a tell-all book — tentatively titled Audacity– detailing her life in the world of modeling, magazines and her search for love. There is also one chapter dedicated to her alleged encounter with Polanski.
[From Radar]
Jesus. So, basically, Roman Polanski is a violent bastard who likes to drug teenage girls and young women, then rape and sodomize them. And he’s gotten away with it all his life. Disgusting.
And yes, I think this woman could be making the whole thing up – but it fit’s his pattern of behavior, and I for one buy her story.
Roman Polanski on July 25, 2010 & January 15, 2009. Credit: Fame.
Oh so shocking. This Roman is one sleazy character, and so are all those who support him.
Johnny Depp
Natalie Portman
Whoopi Poopberg
etc…
I guess pedophilia is acceptable in their world.
theres a special place in hell for creatures like polanski…
Oh, oh, but he is a talented, famous director! Doesn’t matter what he did, he makes great movies, and that excuses being a rapist and a pedophile! *major eyeroll to where my eyes are almost out of their sockets*
Didn’t Anjelica Huston willingly give her underage daughter to Polanski at one point? Or was that just a rumor? These Hollywood peeps are just a different breed, aren’t they? Ugh.
He probably victimized many women. It’s hard to even look at this old sicko, it’s like looking at the devil. Disgusting that this rapist pedophile has children especially a daughter.
All I’m saying, is that if that had been my daughter (may God bless them) I would have Lorena Bobbit’ed his arse a long time ago. Hollywood is an evil place. All sorts of deviant behaviors are excused. Hell-y-wood.
@ Nick
I’m pretty sure he molested his own child, I would’nt put it past him.
I’m sure it wasn’t “rape, rape”.
Right, Whoopi?
That new pirate movie is a double header of Polanski supporting vermin. Johnny Depp and Penelope Cruz. Wouldn’t see this movie even if paid to see it
IrishSerra – Angelica Huston doesn’t have any children; maybe it was someone else? She & Nicholson were involved around that time though, so it’s possible she had knowledge of what Polanski did…
OK, I’m having a dull day, anyone want to engage in some wildly speculative theories about Hollywood’s willingness to overlook Polanski’s crimes?
What if he had instead been convicted of sodomizing a 13 year old boy? Would there be forgiveness, or would he be held to the level of scorn and outrage that priests have been?
If he was ostracized for it, what does that say about how Hollywood views women, even UNDERAGED women? Just sex toys? She said no, but you could tell she wanted it?
It was a 13 year old child. I don’t see how it matters male or female – but I get the distinct impression it matters to Polanksi’s defenders.
I didnt read the article because it wouldnt suprise me if he has. He is slime.
I am wondering what the point is in posting pictures of his children? I think it’s unfair that this poor boy be identified visually.
Well…but…he and his liberal, progressive, elitist friends are just so much smarter than most of us.
Maybe one day we’ll grow and expand our narrow horizons and finally be able to understand why rapes like this are really A-OK.
Certain parties in Hollywood, most of whom are still alive, likely as not don’t want further scrutiny on Polasnki as it’ll lift the lid on what really went on. And likely still does.
He isn’t necessarily a paedophile, but he does seem to be a thoroughly dangerous predator. But it is pointless to ask what these (formerly-respected) defenders of his would think if it was them or their family – as we have seen repeatedly, horrifyingly-huge swathes of people automatically blame the victim or refuse to believe the accused could do such a thing. Why should celebs be any different,
But TBQ, you definitely hit on something there.
What a creep, and yes, I do tend to believe that this story is true.
As for those making excuses – this may not be a popular sentiment, but I bet they thought it was just a one-time drunken mistake. Which I think is an attitude a lot of people have towards a male’s sexual misdeeds – “he’s not a bad guy, he just did that once and it was because he was drunk”. Minimizing aberrant behavior in someone who seems otherwise normal to his friends isn’t unusual, at least in my experience. At least if that someone is a guy; women get slammed for sexual stuff.
Add these fuckwads to the list: Salman Rushdie, Milan Kundera, Neil Jordan, Isabelle Adjani, Isabelle Huppert, Mike Nichols, Diane von Furstenberg, edro Almodovar, Wes Anderson, Darren Aronofsky, Monica Bellucci, Stephen Frears, Tilda Swinton, Martin Scorsese, David Lynch, Terry Gilliam, Woody Allen
@Nick-agreed.
So the Swiss say no and now he’s safe in the whole EU?
Not “nescessarilly” a pedophile? 13 years old is a NO. NO NO NO NO NO. A grown up knows better than that. You do not touch a 13 year old sexually, you do not undress them, you do not give them drugs, take pictures of their naked body, YOU DO NOT TOUCH THEM.
Will the Hollywood Elite still call for the freedom of the famed director? I seem to recall Matt Damon refusing to stand up during a forced standing ovation for the little euro-trash pervert at some hollywood wank (Globes/Oscars?)
Circle the wagons everyone…
This is horsesh&t, He will never be brought to justice
one rule for the rich/famous
another for the regular citizen
bedtime for democracy
What amazes me about the people who claim to support him is that his actions/behavior, those of a rapist, are generally not able to be rehabilitated. Someone who has committed the type of crime Polanski admitted to don’t just do it once. They may be only caught once, but that is just a reflection of an established pattern.
Which makes the stand of a country such as Switzerland even more curious because why would you want such a person free to roam and assault the people of your country?
For every female that has come forward, there are probably (at least) a handful of other women who are too humiliated and ashamed of their assault to ever speak publicly about it.
@a, yes and no. The issue is which countries have an extradition treaty with the US that reaches this level of crime. France does not, so he’s always been safe there. (Heck, to the French this is just a wild saturday night, right?) Polanski has spent the last 30+ years hoping btwn countries where he knows they will not extradite. So you won’t see him in England, for example, but he’s safe as houses in France or Switzerland now.
@Heiyah – … you do not get drunk enough that you forget all of the above…
Not necessarily a pedophile?????? So it is okay for an adult man to have sex with a 13 yr old?
Don’t know what you consider a pedophile, but most states say a pedophile is anyone engaging in sex with a minor.
It is sick for a MAN to want to have sex with a 13 yr old. Any way you slice it, there is something not normal about a man like that. I do not care how mature she looks, she was 13!
6 months of house arrest look good on him. He’d look even better sitting in a jail. Sick Fcuk.
Tess,
For g*ds sake KNOCK THAT OFF!! Child abuse and rape is NOT a political issue. Unless you are acutally suggesting that Liberals or Progressives are ‘pro’ child abuse/rape (which is just disgusting)? Isn’t that as bad as suggesting that all Conservatives are all inbred, white hood wearing, racist, halfwits? Both of those assertions are bullsh*t, and only appeal to the least common denominators so please do not make those kind of comments unless you can back them up with proof (and there is none), it is beneath you and beyond inappropriate.
I am sorry, but turning crimes like the rape of a child into a libs vs cons issue is just awful and beyond the pale.
An adult who is sexually aroused by a child = pedophile.
An adult who drugs and sodomizes a protesting child = sick f*ck who deserves to have his dick chopped off. I volunteer.
Didn’t he once say in an interview that it was no big deal, that, “everyone wants to f*uck little girls,” even the judge who sentenced him. Yeah, he sounds very repentant.
I agree with TQB, if he’d drugged and sodomized a boy there’s no way this monster would be enjoying his life in Europe. Girls are still just not viewed as important as males.
I for one am sick of women getting pissed on. (*shooting major stink eye at Kim Kardashian*)
He’s Hollywood royalty = untouchable.
although I think 13 is definitly a pedophile I agree with the comment that Hollywood has a lot of secrets it doesn’t want uncovered. How about all those teenaged models that get invited to industry parties what do you think happens to them? Of course actors etc will defend Polanski because they like his work and he gets some sympathy for being a victim of Charles Manson. They see him as a victim because big players in Hollywood are supposed to be untouchable.
@TQB, had the same thought about if it were a young boy rather than a girl. If a boy had been raped, these Polanski supporters would probably change their tune. There seems to be an underlying barbaric attitude that women are there for the taking, that it’s sex as usual. Changing the genders in this scenario puts into focus that it’s a brutal crime and perversion.
The Hollywood defenders of this rapist pedophile seem to mostly be older male directors along with women they likely bullied into joining them. Who knew directors were such closet pervs. Also pervy Europeans seem to support the rapist pedophile and those directors who rely on European audiences, or who themselves are pervs (cough cough Woody Allen) support Polanski. Emma Thompson said she was pressured into signing the petition but then removed her name. Shame on the women who might’ve allowed themselves to be pressured, or went along so as not to lose a movie role. If women allow abuse of women, there’s little hope.
Please remember all of the entertainers who signed the Free Polanski petition, such as Natalie Portman, and hold them accountable with your wallet.
We have heard from 3-4 girls who say he raped & sodomoized them I can only imagine what the real #’s are of how many young girls he did this to. HE SHOULD BE PUBLICLY CASTRATED. AND ANY HOLLYWOOD OR OTHER PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT HIM ARE SEXUAL DEVIANTS WHO OBVIOUSLY THINK RAPE IS OK.
Didn’t Anjelica Huston willingly give her underage daughter to Polanski at one point? Or was that just a rumor?
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Impossible, as she has no children. She was, however, going to serve as a witness for the prosecution in the Polanski case, but was not needed due to the plea bargain.
AMEN LETICIA! BOYCOTT NATALIE PORTMAN and EVERYONE else who signed that petition. Sick bastards! or better yet lets let Polanski drug, rape and sodomize Natalie and her young daughter (if she had one) and then she how she feels. WHAT A MORON! Anyone saying these girls willingly went home with this man – rape is rape PERIOD.
A 13 year old is a minor, but pedophiles are attracted to children who have not gone through puberty. Older men in the Fundamentalist Mormon Church marry and rape a13 year olds every day and no one stops them. Hell, their mothers hand them right over!
Polanski is a violent rapist with a perversion for very very young girls, but he is not a pedophile. Pedophiles are more dangerous and should be shot on sight. Like rabid dogs.
Some celebs did come out against him – not many and it was silenced pretty quickly but i wish they would be more vocal. Of course they are scared of losing jobs/being blacklisted but at end of the day what is more important?
If this rapist were a Nascar driver or a soldier or a country western singer, the same people who signed the Free Polanski petition would be leading a riot to have him executed. There is a sick double standard among the so-called artistic elites. It’s o.k. if one of them does it.
Pedophile = sex with pre-pubescent children.
Pederast = sex with post-pubescent adolescents. Just for the record.
Could you guys please actually read carefully what I wrote? . Ever since I heard about this story when I was 15, I have been thoroughly disgusted by it and him and have refused to watch any Polanski films.
My use of the word ‘necessarily’ was not to diminish his crime in any way, but rather reflects the fact that this latest story shows that we are finding out that there is a wider range of ages being allegedly attacked by this predator, other than pre-pubescent children. He is picking on girls and very young women that he know he can get away with abusing in this horrific way.
This man appears (as he has not been convicted of the other two crimes, and I don’t want Celebitchy to be subject to a civil lawsuit) to be a dangerous man who is a menace to all women and I want him thoroughly investigated and punished properly if and when he is convicted.
I try to choose my statements and words quite carefully on these types of posts, but when I have been proven to be wrong, I have always deferred, apologised where necessary.
With that in mind, let me make this abundantly clear – that man should have rotted in jail for the past 30-odd years. And any of you that accuses me of saying otherwise are being incredibly disingenuous. Is that clear?
What I am shocked about is how come nobody is throwing shit at him from the streets? If he intends to run we should at least make his exile hell.
Eww, Polanski has a young son? I can only imagine the wonderful lessons he is teaching him.
#39 is absolument correct in what she says.
He really is a creepy old man, and probably was (still is?) a dangerous pervert. I honestly wonder if he was raped in the concentration camp. It might be people out for publicity, and it might not be. But, we do know that, however else things went down with the original victim, having sex with a kid he knew was a teen is nasty. We know he was with Nastassija Kinski when she was a teen, too. So he is most definitely a pederast.
In terms of the people supporting him, people rarely want to think ill of people they know personally. They don’t believe so-and-so is capable of X,Y, or Z. They don’t investigate things thoroughly, they just know their friend says, “I was accused of this, but it isn’t true, bla bla bla.” So, I can’t hate on people who are personal friends/colleagues of the guy who are convinced the guys is a victim of people out for money. The difference between this and the Mel Gibson thing is that the Mel Gibson tapes are out there for all to hear. So, it isn’t like there is a shadow of a doubt as to Mel’s behaviour…
I think Switzerland wanted to use Polanski to negotiate something with the united states and when the states refused, they let him go… Why else would they arrest him and hold him captive for so long? negotiations… I wonder what about though…
I can’t even begin to fathom why anyone would be willing to forgive a rapist… sick :-/
I don’t believe this latest “victim”. Sure the pattern fits…NOW. I doubt it happened the way she’s claiming it did though. Sounds like she’s just trying to get a paycheck to me.
13 years old is pubescent, he would be a hebephile.
Oh, he surely has many, many other victims as well. A pedophile and rapist generally doesn’t stop at just one. And now that he’s been given a free pass to continue his behavior, undoubtedly many, many more girls and women will suffer at his hands.
What a disgusting, evil pig.
@talyorb read Tess’s post again, I’m pretty sure it is sarcastic.
Ya I’d like to see Natalie Portman be treated like the victims, and still say Roman doesn’t deserve to go to jail because he’s an artist of cinema.
So, the sick things we learn from reading celebrity gossip and then investigating things further:
Pedophilia is the liking for pre-pubescent kids.
Hebephilia is the liking for kids in the early stages of puberty (between 11-14)
Ephebophilia is the liking for kids in the later stages of adolescence.
Pederasty is reserved for men who like teen boys…
The terms are given when that is the exclusive/predominant sexual preference of the adults in question….
Where would we be without Wikipedia :p.
Any way you slice it, Polanski is gross. His poor kids. It must be hard hearing horrible things about one’s dad. Hope they never encounter any pervs like their daddy.
Canucklehead,
To be fair Tess has made these kinds of (libs vs cons) comments in the past, so while I could be incorrect which I would be sorry for, I sort of doubt that is the case. If I was jumping the gun I will take full responsibility for doing so.
This is what Gore Vidal had to say when asked about Roman Polanski’s situation:
“I really don’t give a fuck. Look, am I going to sit and weep every time a young hooker feels as though she’s been taken advantage of?”
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2009/10/a-conversation-with-gore-vidal/7767/
So add him to the above list. Pretentious bastard.
I don’t get how he’s so protected. Usually money rules so how much coin do his movies bring in?
And this is EXACTLY why I think the US should dismiss all charges against him and declare him a free man. He desperately wants to come back to the US. I say let him do just that.
In fact, let him film here in gun filled Texas. Or the Louisiana swamps. Or on the side of a mountain in Colorado.
Come on Roman, you know you want it. Come back and we’ll see just how badass you really are.
BTW, I’ve got a crisp $100 for the first person to show proof this man will never walk the earth again.
As for the apologists….not for one second do I believe they don’t know the “allegations” against him. There are *very few* secrets in Hollywood.
To end this post on a bright note, when Pervlanski was first arrested Greg Grunberg took to his Twitter to celebrate and lectured the idiots who didn’t get why this was such a victory (hollow though it was). Chris Rock did a great mocking on the Jay Leno Show. So they go on my MUST SUPPORT list.
(Any other famous people speak out? Add’em here so we’ll know who REALLY should get our money.)
Jack Nicholson is a pathetic scumbag. He still has kinky threeways at his mansion, but now he uses Viagra and he has to pay the women.
The barest amount of good news in this story is Polanski cannot return to America and his name/reputation isn’t clean.
Polanski’s next film is set in New York, and he cannot set foot in America.
It was important to him he clear his, “good name.” Ha!
a-freaking-men, TaylorB! i was going to respond to Tess’ incredibly delusional comment about those dirty evil liberal progressive ELITES, bwahahahaha, but you helped calm me down, so thanks
this should NOT turn into a con v. lib debate… there are perverts everywhere
“THIS MAN IS A PERVERT AND ALL WHO THINK LIKE HIM ARE EQUALLY DISTURBED” would be more appropriate
Well, if I listen to Penelope Cruz in the other article, so long as Polanski doesn’t encourage girls to diet, he’s ok.
At least, I think that’s the message. Because Penelope called magazines that encourage girls to be thin “horrific” and said she would close them all down. Yet she defends Polanski and doesn’t think he should serve his deserved jail time. So apparently she thinks magazines that tell 13-year old girls to be thin are evil, but drugging and raping 13-year old girls is ok. It’s nice to know these movie people have their priorities straight.
You all should really read what Vidal has to say in the link Persistant Cat provided. It is truly rich. He goes on to say that much of the reason Polanski was accused and indicted had to do with the fact that he is Jewish, so going after him is anti-Semetic. I guess Jews get a free underage-rapey pass? Is that it, Mr. Vidal? That’s the first time I’ve heard this particular excuse–it proves what one of the above posters said, that supporters will find any reason possible to let Polanski off the hook. Not to mention Vidals’ interview drips with misogyny. I wouldn’t want to hear is opinion on ANY woman’s issue.
Gore Vidal is a revolting man and not nearly as important as he thinks he is.
I AM LOVING (sarcasm) that people are STILL defending this creeper!!! How do they decide who to defend and who to condemn? Everyone hates Mel Gibson, but still loves this jerk? I’m definitely not defending Mel, but how does Polanski get off??
I am surprised that not one post above is about this particular story; just general venting about what a pig Polanski is (which I didn’t think was at issue – aren’t we all agreed he is a poor excuse for a human?)
To me, this lady’s story would hold more water if she had said anything when the original arrest/scandal occurred only 3 years after this alleged incident.
Her testimony then could have been instrumental in capturing the rapist of a 13 year old girl and saved all of us all of this indignation and rage. After she failed to help that little girl all these years, what motivation could giving testimony have now? Other than financial gain for selling her story.
Seriously – she could have helped to capture a seemingly violent criminal all those years ago and never did. Just let the little girl twist in the wind. And now she wants a paycheck, riding the wave of anti-Polanski sentiment? I call shenanigans.
An innocent man wouldn’t run. Let alone go into hiding. Esspeically over a subject like this. I would expect a brutal fight to the very last struggle for proof of innocence.
You can add Bill Maher to the (very short) list of celebs who spoke out against this creep. It’s truly depressing how few people in Hollywood have their heads screwed on well enough to see this sick bastard for what he is. Roman Polanski is a truly disgusting human being, and I hope that he eventually gets what’s coming to him.
I’m thinking maybe these celebrities have defended Polanski, not because they think it’s morally all right to sodomize and drug a 13 year-old, as much as it is defending “one of our own” – a fellow celebrity. I’ve noticed this happens a lot. If they can no longer defend them, because the celebrity made too many mistakes and their career is over, then it’s safe for them to turn their backs on them.
To support a rapist like Polanski is a business decision, and those who don’t back him, keep their mouths shut. They would never attack a fellow celebrity.
You know, I sincerely hope this woman is not after money- which I strongly doubt. I’ve done some rape counciling, and though it would have been beneficial for her to speak out much much earlier, we as readers of this horrible mess have no idea what kind of trauma she went through as a result of this rape (meantal, physical, emotional, and hell situational as well). Healing cannot be forced. And SHAME on the person who wished rape upon Natalie Portman, and her (unborn mind you) daughters. Wishing rape is an fathomable thing, and I cannot beleive someone actually typed that out. i guess anymousity of an online forum really makes people feel like they can say or mean absolutely anything. I’d also like to point out that Natalie Portman was only 1 person on a list of hundreds of supporters, the mojority of which were MEN. Way to blame the woman again.
I don’t doubt for a second that he’s done these things to multiple women. I remember the first time I saw Rosemary’s Baby. After watching the whole rape scene and drug induced birth, I thought “whoever wrote this shit is a twisted mother fucker!”
I hope someone drugs HIM, cuts his effing balls off and shoves them up HIS ass. Or w/out the drugs would be fine with me too.
@Tess
“Well…but…he and his liberal, progressive, elitist friends are just so much smarter than most of us.”
Why does it have to go political? why can’t it be about a person who does horrible things? Why do you have to label it liberal?
Pedophiles rape children, so call him a pedophile and call the people sticking up for him morons. But keep politics out of this.
God. Gruesome.
I’ve no real issue with this (alleged) assault coming to light years later, especially if it has been reported to the police prior to going to the press.
It’s been over a decade since the abuse, physical and sexual, of children and young people by the clergy, the religious and schools started to become common knowledge. Cases are still continuing to come before the courts, many of which are dating back decades.
It’s the ultimate humiliation and loss of control that can be placed on a person, and not everyone has the strength and support system in place to report and insist it be followed through just after it occurred. I don’t know what it’s like in your country, but in UK and Ireland the comparatively small numbers of cases which even make it to court, much less the pathetic conviction rate, don’t encourage reporting.
Ok guys maybe I’m crazy but…I’ve pretty much spent all my free time in life reading and learning anything I can about the sixties (/nerd, history major). I have always thought that those people (Polanski, Nicholson, Dennis Wilson, John Phillips-another sick f8ck, etc.,) were hanging out with Manson and thinking that he was a cool guy, until he turned around and slaughtered a bunch of them. I’ve always felt that there was some heavy…sordidness that was going on that maybe got out of control…
*shudder…must imagine Jon Hamm snuggling with kittens*
what a freak.
I am just sick and tired of the rich and privileged getting away with crime. The saddest part in this whole story is that these women had a piece of themselves stolen forever. A person struggles for a long time dealing with the trauma of sexual abuse (or any type of abuse).
I dont care if this jerk is 77…he needs to be locked up. It is time that every country around the world recognizes that sexually abusing anyone (male or female) is wrong. I say he should serve some time in a typical prison in the general population.
Additionally, it is a shame that he is sending a message to his young son that this is “OK”. I certainly hope that message will not place an imprint on his son’s future behavior.
ANYTIME a person decides to suddenly come forward when it ‘just happens’ to coincide with plans to release a book I either stop believing them al together or I become highly dubious.
That being said it doesn’t take away from the immorality of the one polanksi case we do know is actually true and proven.
He needs to have the same thing done to him that he did to those kids.
Put him in a fed prison mixed into the general population!
Disgusting, hope his career and his supporters careers tank,but that’s just wishful thinking. Penelope Cruz also loves Woody Allen, surprise, surprise.
The passage of time has nothing to do with the veracity of a victim’s claims. First, it wouldn’t have affected the capture of Polanski as he was already cowering in pervy France. Traumatic events can take years to face and process. Especially when faced with a powerful opponent and society’s inclination to always disbelieve and bash the victim (especially back then.) It’s like getting raped again. Also, the entertainment community is a small boy’s club and it’s hard enough for women to get work. She would’ve been blacklisted had she pursued it. These men hold all the cards which is why they act so boldly. Good for her coming out now and who cares if she makes a couple of bucks. She probably suffered and was set back big time in her life while this rapist-pedo made millions. Also, her claims sound plausible, she could’ve exaggerated and didn’t. Thanks to Switzerland, he might never be criminally punished but he can be forever confronted with what he’s done and publicly shamed. Same goes for his sick supporters. They can sign a petition, but people have a right to boycott them and keep reminding them of their reckless action
I be lieve the latest woman to speak out. She was in a terrible position (pun unintended). She was likely under the influence of drugs and alcohol, was consenting to sex, but not -that- kind, and not -that- way. No judge would ever convict, and she would be blackballed in hwood for calling polanski out.
Even the 13 year old wishes the whole thing would just go away.
We’ve got to remember that rape is viewed differently today than it was 20 or more years ago- and it’s still tough to get a conviction today.
“…The difference between this and the Mel Gibson thing is that the Mel Gibson tapes are out there for all to hear. So, it isn’t like there is a shadow of a doubt as to Mel’s behaviour… ”
Ooh FizXgirl314, I think you’ve hit on something here. In case you haven’t noticed, there are plenty of posters here who in fact, don’t believe that Mel’s behavior is as bad as it has been painted to be – whether or not he really hit her, did he really say those things. It goes on and on.
It is hard to watch the downfall of someone you have come to think you ‘know’ through their wonderful film roles. Easier to question the ‘dirty gypsy grifter’ (not my term – someone else’s) whom you’ve never heard of before.
How anyone can stick up for this POS is beyond me……………
Beware of short tiny men, I’m just sayin. They always seem to have something to prove. I have definitely been abused by more than one short man. Mad at the world for bein’ short dammit. The world and women owe them somethin’.
Anon 33 (70)
Why do you think he was hanging with manson? have you even read what happened? Manson murdered polanski’s pregnant wife, seemingly by mistake. I really dont think they were hanging out as you imply.
Even though, roman should have his balls chopped off
Just let him spend one night in general population in an American prison.
Interesting to see that most of this creep’s alleged supporters are ‘of a certain age’ and are perhaps inured to the kind of exploitative f*ckery that went on in their circles at the time. If you were coming up in the 70s I can’t think that RP’s gruesome antics were an isolated or even particularly remarkable incident.
That’s the only explanation I can think of as to why so many talented, otherwise perceptive people would choose not to condemn RP.
I am totally bummed that people I’ve always admired are on that list; it makes me think of them in such a different light and I dont think Ill be able to enjoy their work again. Such incredible callousness from people who know what goes on and choose their careers and personal comfort over the obvious truth.
Well said Kelly. I too don’t know that I’ll ever be able to enjoy their work again.
Polanski is an utter monster and I wish he was thrown in jail with rapists twice his size. He could be their chew toy.
Polanski directed Death and the Maiden, which is the strongest movie I’ve ever seen dealing with the issue of rape, power, and control.
I just wonder what was going on in his head when he chose that movie, whether by the time he started that movie he was having regrets, but at least not enough to turn himself over to the law. Maybe the strength of the actors and the writer who wrote the original play are the ones who carried that movie.
Not buying it.
NOW she comes forward with all of it? People are more than willing to believe Polanski did all these things but guess what? There IS no pattern. He raped a girl once. Yes, that was terrible. Never did it again, though.
So yeah, I call bullshit.
I wonder how many sicko parties and ‘nightcaps’ went on in Jack Nicholson’s house before Polanksi fleeing to Europe?
As far as I can tell Angelica Huston never had a child to offer up to this Polanski idiot. irishserra Check your sources before you make accusations. The Internet is full of enough made up lies as it is. His kid is cute though. I’d wonder how he’d feel if some child predator got a hold of him for a weekend.
FYI to add to the list of terms: Teleiophilia – is a sexual attraction to adults.
Gerontophilia- is a preference for th elderly
But “pedophile” is a clinical diagnosis not a legal term, you can engage in pedophilic behavior without actually being a pedophile. Hebephilia is not yet a recognized psychiatric disorder. Based on the stories of these other women it sounds like he is into drugging, raping, and sodomizing young women. Pedophiles/hebephiles strongly prefer children in a specific age range. If he was a true hebephile rape would have been not important, their main stimulation would come from the age of the girl. If he was drugging and raping other women then that probably was the sexual urge behind the sexual assaults. But it doesn’t make what he did any less wrong.
Denise – Why are you “pretty sure”? He is a terrible person but I have never heard anything about him hurting his children. Its a terrible rumor to start for both him and his daughter.
Kim- Really? “Lets let Polanski drug, rape and sodomize Natalie and her young daughter.” She was a supporting a friend and she have may have been pressured into it. She just signed her name she wasn’t complicit in the crime, and her hypothetical daughter did nothing wrong. The best way to fix this isn’t through murder and viscous illegal attacks.
Nothing is going to happen if they speak out. They know that like I imagine some of the people who signed the letter thinking my signature isn’t going to change anything in his situation.
“Pedophiles are more dangerous and should be shot on sight. Like rabid dogs.” I disagree. People who enjoy rape are just a dangerous. They both have to struggle to keep those impulses in check. Its recognized as mental disorder, some of them take drug regimens with horrible side effects an go to therapy to avoid hurting children. Just because the have that desire doesn’t mean they will act of it and they deserve a chance, like everyone else, to live within societies rules.
Something a little more light hearted: Spot the Pedophile: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=spot_the_pedo
I didn’t do too bad.
Yip, never a cool thing to do no matter the age of women involved. But seriously, when a 13, 16 and 21 year old are willing to go into a bedroom with an old man (famous director or not), what were they expecting Monopoly or the missionary position?
Annabelle-
Yes, I have read what happened. I think I said that in my original post. I have a fascination with “true crime” as it were, and have spent a lot of time researching the Manson case. There are several indications (through rumors, people who came forward and then disappeared, etc.,) that Manson did not just accidentally happen upon Polanski’s house, that Manson was becoming a part of that circle. Not to mention the coincidences, such as Manson living in Dennis Wilson’s house, at his invitation, for almost a year. However, none of it can be proven. Which is why I said it was a feeling that I had rather than stating it as fact.
@ #70 -that is true…But on another note You have no idea what goes in Hollywood.You couldn’t handle it.These things are practiced not just in Hollywood, but check your local politician as well.I recommend people watch a documentary titled Conspiracy of Silence, you can google it or go on you tube.It was scheduled to air in 1993 On the Discovery Channel, but mysteriously disappeared.The documentary was about an underground pedophile trafficking ring that was traced back to the White House. Or how about you google Noreen Gosch, Cathy O Brian,Arizona Wilder,Brice Taylor.Then you will began to see what is going on.
@ anon33
My memory, tho it may very well be wrong, is that Doris Day’s son (I think his name is Dennis Melchor) had been renting the house before Polanski.
Melchor was a high-profile record producer who Manson may have met at a Dennis Wilson party. Manson may have even attended a party at the house where the crime was later committed while Melchor was renting it.
Anyhoo, Melchor brushed off Manson after Manson pestered him to produce Manson’s music.
Many believe that Manson thought Melchor was still living at the house when he sent his “family” to muder the occupants because he was crazy bitter about being shunned by a bigwig Hollywood insider.
But “pedophile” is a clinical diagnosis not a legal term, you can engage in pedophilic behavior without actually being a pedophile.
@ Lindsay r u serious?
And to comment on this part of your statement:
He is a terrible person but I have never heard anything about him hurting his children. Its a terrible rumor to start for both him and his daughter.
A pedophile I would think, is a danger to his own children. I would’nt trust him with any child. I said he is capable of it, but of course I don’t know if he did it. I would’nt put it past him. HE is a sc@#bag.
On a lighter note – Polanski’s son is, what, eleven, and is coming very close to outgrowing his father. That must be awkward.
@ Tess, you’re right. There was never any evidence that Manson had ever met Polanski. He had hung out with Brian or Dennis Wilson. I think he mistakenly thought the house was Wilson’s and that’s why it was chosen. As well, Manson wasn’t there the night of the murders. And there was nothing accidental, Manson sent them over with the orders to kill whoever they encountered. It’s been years since I read Helter Skelter.
I miss the old A&E commercial for, I think it was American Justice, with the clip of Manson saying, “I don’t kill people, I think it.” That man is the poster child for crazy.
As for the woman coming forward now, I believe her. I can’t even pretend to understand what goes through a rape victim’s head so I’m not going to be critical on her coming forward now. I can totally see why she didn’t come forward in the beginning.
@ Persistent Cat
You’re right! It was Brian, not Dennis Wilson that Manson mooched off for a while.
But, Doris Day’s son was connected to both Brian Wilson and Manson, and, he had lived in the house that Manson targeted for the murders.
Sorry everyone.
I won’t belabor the point any further other than to say I did state that my feelings were based on rumors and other things of that nature that I have read about that cannot be proven. I am quite familiar with the “official” story and what can be proven that Tess and PCat have noted here. I was just throwing a theory out there. Guess no one liked it 😛
This is a sad, terrible story. Who knows what’s true and what’s not. I am not saying this guy is innocent and I’m not saying this girl is a liar. But it’s hard to know when there is an accusation, who is really telling the truth and who’s not. I was a victim myself as a child and when I tried to confess to my mother, she didn’t believe me and thought I was a liar. Since I guess being a kid, I lied about the little stuff. You know, the typical…(Did you do that?…mischievous kid things). So she thought I’d actually lie about something so serious. That’s her fault, not mine. Then I have also encountered kids who actually literally lied and I don’t understand why they would do that, for attention, and if they have NO IDEA what it’s like? So the kids who do lie, make the ones that something really happened to…to look bad, as if they ARE lieing, when not. Something so serious can’t just be spread around like a small rumor, such a serious accusation, when there will be serious consequences towards an innocent person. Now, before anyone gets butt hurt, I’m meaning possible and hypothetically. Like I said, I’m not saying he’s a saint or that she’s the liar. However, if this IS true, than, yes, most definitely, justice should be served, no matter how long she waited to confess. Such a serious traumatic incident can mess some people up in their head big time. Some people turn out pretty bad and fucked up for it…and some people don’t. Some can choose to change for the better from past mistakes and experiences, even if it wasn’t their fault. We have to let any bad experiences change us, (even the little things). I also think we can learn from other people’s mistakes, before we commit it ourselves. I don’t mean as in the actual incident…anyone in their right intelligent mind should know NOT to sexually assault a child. But as for me, I’m more over protective towards my kids about who they are around, (considering what I went through) and I definitely don’t trust easily or anyone. Such situations such as this is something a child should NEVER go through.