These are new photos of Halle Berry out in LA yesterday. I hate that I’m in love with that sweater and that purse. God, those are beautiful. Anyway, Halle had lunch with a friend, and she got absolutely swarmed by paparazzi as she was leaving the restaurant. It was just 24 hours ago that her Ebony interview hit the media in a big way – including Halle’s revelation that she believes in the “one drop” theory, which basically means that we’re all black, I think. She was probably also swarmed because although her “team” has been leaking damaging information about Gabriel Aubry, Halle has yet to sit down and issue some kind of direct statement to the media about the custody battle. She just gets her rep to do the dirty work, or does it herself as an unnamed source. Even in that Ebony article, Halle didn’t talk directly about the custody battle, although I think she was alluding to it specifically when she talked about race.
I was glancing through this week’s tabloid covers, and I was shocked to see that Halle doesn’t take the full cover on any of them! It’s like the Mel Gibson-Oksana drama all over again – when the tabloids have a truly compelling and controversial drama in real time, they don’t know how to handle it. That being said, Halle takes the sidebar on many tabloids. Us Weekly has “Halle’s Twisted Secrets” while In Touch Weekly goes with “Halle’s Dark Secrets” (racist!). Star goes for the more direct “Halle’s SMEAR CAMPAIGN against Gabriel & Kim”. Nobody has released anything yet, but I’m sure there will be lots of drama in the days to come.
Photos courtesy of WENN.
I can’t believe this is controversial to non Blacks. So weird.
She looks like the cat who swallowed the canary. I bet she thinks her smear campaign and subsequent interview w/Ebony have solidified her court case with Aubry.
No one has release anything (since) because everyone is realizing that she is a f*cked crazed-out-bitch
The tabs are idiots. They’d rather do a fake story which they can control then a real one that would force them to actually do some work. Well thank god for the internets and especially CB and Kaiser 🙂
I realize that celebrities will never admit to reading blog comments, but if Halle has, she has to see that she’s failing miserably at her attempts to smear her babydaddy. I saw the picture of her and her daughter on the cover of People and it made her look petty and ridiculous. Even the article wasn’t all that damning on G.A..
Halle=bonkers
She is so digging this attention. She looks so smug in these pictures.
Kaiser I hate that I love that sweater also. Damn you Halle! Damn you! LOL
Weird … that last photo looks like it was taken from inside the car.
@Kaiser
Big ditto on the sweater-purse. Nice
Thought I might give you my 2 cents of geneology. I’m a complex mix of Norwegian and Swedish (guess that means Scandinavian) which means I’m not promiscuous…but I want to be.
I’m also 1/86th (don’t ask) Nez Perce indian. We were the “good” indians, unlike the Black Feet who made fun of our dancing and stole our horses (not mine personally you understand, but I’ve been told things).
Anyway, if this “we’re all black” thing will help, I’m good with it.
Her hair is looking pretty maniacal here. Maybe when she reaches the pinnacle of her psychotic break (cuz let’s get serious, that’s totally what she’s having lately) she’ll borrow Britney’s Pink Wig of Doom. I’m a really bad person, so I’ll freely admit I can’t wait.
I used to have no opinion on Halle other than she was beautiful and a good actress. Now I hate her. She is so obviously playing the “race” card with her accusations against her ex (who is weaker and probably dumper than her). She is the classic narcisstist who has been crossed- all is fine and dandy until he stood up to her, even a little, and then all *&ll breaks loose. Not because she’s been wronged, oh no, the narcisstic always does the wronging, but because someone has dared to try to stand up to her.
I saw a Revlon commercial last night with her in it and all I could do was cringe, snarl and change the channel. I’m sure I’m not the only one who now feels that way. Good job Halle, you’ve now become unbearable to look at or to listen to.
She really is crazy if she thinks this makes her look good (Okay, the sweater looks good).
Oh get over it. You people are going on about a smear campaign, but it lasted…what …a week. I haven’t heard any “leaks” lately. You people talk so ugly and trashy about people you don’t know, but when someone spazs out during a custody case …you can’t let it go. Nothing has been said since last week…so get over it kiddies.
Sweater and bag are to die for-she is not. Kaiser, right on the money about the one drop issue.
Wah…Wah…race card. …race card. White people have been playing the race card for centuries…so please.
Listen, I can see that a lot of you aren’t familiar with the One Drop Rule. In the age of Google that demonstrates a shocking lack of awareness. This is not tabloid fodder or part of your baseless, and ridiculous flame war against Halle Berry. This is basic American history. I would recommend you guys do a little research and then you can all go back to being batsh!t whenever this woman’s name is mentioned in a post. I’m sure she’ll go out for ice cream or buy socks or whatever and you’ll all lose your sh!t and psychoanalyze her based on the flavor she selected or whether she brought Hanes or Fruit of the Loom. There are plenty of opportunities for you all to demonstrate your Lohan levels of crazy. But you are really out of line on this one.
She is sounding crazier and crazier by the minute.
I do know that back in the day if a white person married a black person their kids would be consider black, by everyone.
But her throwing him under the bus about him being a racist makes her sound deranged because why in the world would you not only date a racist but have a child with said racist when he hates your race.
Plus she didn’t have a problem with him until she saw him with Kim K the media whore.
She is coming across as one of those women who doesn’t have any respect for men, and who see them as sperm donors.
As beautiful as she is, she does not hold up well in the spotlight.
@Saskia,, Nooooooooooo Not the pink wig of Doom
How much plastic surgery has this woman had? Maybe they have pulled her facial skin so tight that it is squeezing her frontal lobe. That definitely would explain the personality (or lack thereof) issues.
Yeah…the sweater & THAT bag! She is looking waay to smug in these pics. Team Nahla & Gabe. Gf needs to get a clue.
BITCH LOOKS SO SMUG! I cannot wait for Gabriel to have the last laugh!! (fingers-crossed that he does)
This isn’t about Race, this is about a woman using her fame to push the father of her child out of the picture because she is manipulative and controlling. That’s what it’s about. I despise women who do sh*t like that, especially knowing that it will hurt their child in the long run.
@6: I don’t think Halle has had alot of plastic surgery. She is darker skinned and ‘black don’t crack’ For example I just got my license renewed and I don’t look any different then my pic which is 8 years old I could have taken it last week. You can tell when a black woman has gotten work done take a look at pics of Kerry Washington and Jada Pinkett Smith. It’s very likely she has gotten a nose job which almost doesn’t count in Hollywood. In this case I don’t blame it on the ‘tox this B is just crazy.
@Maddie
Stop trying to lean on her custody battle to be offended. Why are you so concerned…get a life. Have you been angry at someone. Have they done something to set you off. Have you reacted publicly. Has someone you know reacted publicly. I’m sure the answer is yes and you don’t judge those people, but you want to attack Berry.
You keep going on about what was leaked out in the media, but that was stuff that happened last week. Nothing has been said this week. It’s stopped….so catch up and move on.
Oh Tif and Lila, I must give sincere apologie for myself and others on the board for being such rude, ignorant, pathetic people. We will all be sure to remember that you are, by far, superior and innocent of any gossip or dislike towards anyone. Again, our sincere apologies.
BTW-just because there is a “one drop rule,” that doesn’t make it right or even ok since it is a way to categorize people and some people truly believe this which is just biologically ridiculous.
In the end this will once again be about how whites are insensitive and do not understand all that goes with growing up black in America. Crazy bitch will get a pass.e are not at a place in this country were we will be given the luxury of an opinion. The status qua must be preserved and we must be taught how deeply racist we are. And that this is something we have no right to have an opinion on. Trust. I will state that I truly believe that Aubrey has the right to call his daughter french also. And Halle is doing this as a possessive narcissistic/borderline.But I also believe it is more beneficial to keep the wounds of racism open. And to keep whites ashamed to voice any opinion on race matters. It is to ingrained in the psyche of blacks and to look at it from our perceptive has always been an insult to blacks and the race card gets pulled.
Halle is sooo effed up and beside herself. All I can say is poor Nahla and Gabe. Gabe probably regrets getting involved (not that he regrets having his daughter) and all the black men she’s dated are probably saying “I toldya so”.
Like many said the Sweater is to die for Lovvvvee it.. regarding the race card, it really is for the most part true, one drop and you are black, I am not made at her for that statement, Im really not mad at her at all, I just think she is a nut case,, black, white red, green, color is not the issue, she just has issues.
panache report has a good argument to this halle thing that i agree with
Halle Berry looks the same as she did back in the Boomerang days or the movie she did for Spike Lee. Stop being jealous or accusing all actress of plastic surgery cause you’re scary looking.
Hey at least she is not driving!
Lila,
The “One Drop Rule” was worthless hypodescent pseudo-science made up to support and excuse arcane and bigoted civic and legal practices. I would hope and expect that the general public would think it idiotic, shocking and ridiculous for ANYONE, regardless of celebrity status or race, to spout One Drop bullshit like it means anything. The fact that it’s Halle Berry who said it, in the midst of a public relations meltdown, is pretty much entirely beside the point. I don’t think anyone here is “out of line” for believing everything to do with the One Drop Rule is just embarrassing and stupid, and Halle Berry is a huge tool for throwing it out there. It’s like she’s trying to give Mel Gibson a run for his money in the Olympics of jackassery.
The height of irony, #17.
Does anyone else see it?
@Lila and Tiff- Oh to be as superior and enlightened as the both of you.
Tiff=troll
I am innocent @6. I don’t go off calling people I don’t know B’s and crap. You people are going on about someone you don’t know, based on some tabloid leaks…that have stopped. Only lasting a week…yet you people are all in a tizzy. You want to say crazy…Halle isn’t the one talking crap about people she doesn’t know on a website…assuming she knows their life situation.
Delisional b!tch. I despise her.
I’m fairly sure that “Tif” is Halle.
Edit: Hey even though I don’t like you and I think you’re a super mega mega bitch for putting your daughter in the middle of your latest round of drama, can I borrow your sweater?
I’m not sure that I totally agree that she hasn’t had any plastic surgey done. She looks like a nip/tuck to me. I don’t think she looks botoxed so much as tightened.
Flourpot- too funny!!
Yay! I’m a Cherokee!!
Tiff, I just wante to say say “Hi Halle”
>:)
@Tif um aren’t you doing the same thing? Commenting about someone you don’t know?
I’m lost. Are we uspet that Halle is archaic for thinking the whole one drop thing is a good way to describe her child as, or are we upset that white people are upset that a mixed race woman who has a mixed race child is using a term that was originially used to supress black people and prevent them for having civil rights? How ’bout this, I’m upset that ANYONE would say one drop makes that person 100% whatever. She’s got more than one frop of crazy, so therefore …
@tif: you keep accusing people of being wayyyy too wrapped up in this… how many times have you commented on this post?
@eja102: word.
@devilgirl: word, also 🙂
Celebrity gossip and websites like this are so that we randoms can read stories and then pass judgment on those involved. I’m sorry, it just is what it is.
Any my judgment is:
Purse, love it.
Sweater, love it.
Halle, bitches be crazy.
Being in the public eye, especially during a breakup and custody battle, is hard enough. When you’re trying to PR it to your advantage it makes it worse and damages your kids.
Tif- Maybe you should go read a biology or book while your at school. Pay particular attention to genetics and the chapter on melanocytes in the layers of the skin.
If I recall, there are plenty of biracial people on this board but you obviously can read a post and tell what color someone’s skin is so no need to remind you.
OK, now I’m done. Sorry for getting derailed by this poster.
I’m still waiting to hear something out of the father. I have to give him respect for keeping his mouth shut.
re: “If you’re not a person of color or biracial …you’re clueless.”
We’re all people of color. If you believe in Adam and Eve – ok, Eden was in modern day Iraq so that’s dark skin, dark hair. If you believe in evolution, we all stemmed from some sort of symbiotic protozoa and, dunno about you, but I’m guessing they were see thru.
Now if we can just get this concept thru to people who can make a difference, perhaps we’ll be a peaceful planet.
I always love someone to lecture me on saying things about someone I don’t know, yet they are making claims about the person as if they know them.
Tif=troll hypocrite. And sweetie, I embrace the name I gave myself. So you certainly didn’t insult me in the least. Keep on trying though. You get an A for effort.
devilgirl: “She looks like the cat who swallowed the canary. I bet she thinks her smear campaign and subsequent interview w/Ebony have solidified her court case with Aubry.”
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Yep, plus she’s loving the attention. Sad that a middle-aged woman will sacrifice her child’s well-being for a little press.
I’m upset at Halle for trying to deprive her child of her father. I am a divorce lawyer so I see this all the time. People’s true colors come out in this time. Lots of people do put aside their hurt feelings and work for the good of the children i.e. which means both parents (unless some abuse, etc- which is so not the case here). Her allegations seem trumped up and false to me, and I would guess that she is the bad acting party. Of course I don’t know until I see the evidence but this is an educated guess based on a lot of years of experience. Throwing in the race thing just seems like another disparate and improper attempt to “win” by removing the father of her child from her child’s life i.e. seriously hurt her child.
Don’t you have to go to class?
OK, now I’m done. Sorry!
@ devil girl and 6
I accept your apology. It’s unfortunate that you haven’t evolved enough to learn to GOOGLE. Work on that.
@ Saskia
The science behind it is no longer the issue. It is part of a law and a cultural custom regardless of whether you agree. That’s the point. This PC, tree hugging point of view is modern and won’t undo 2 centuries worth of history just cause you got beef with Halle Berry. It’s bigger than her. Clearly you don’t know that. You people just want to find fault with her about everything. What you don’t realize is that it’s part of African American culture. We don’t find blackness offensive. If you want to challenge the one drop rule, then you’re in for a far bigger fight than you realize.
@Tif who are “you people”? Because from what I’ve seen you have been bouncing all over the Halle Berry stories, so wouldn’t you be wasting your time with this stuff? And if you want to make a point about name calling, then you should practice what you preach. This is a gossip site, some people are entertained by it, hence the name “gossip”. If you don’t like what people have to say then don’t read it. Halle has put her life out there publically and if she was interested in a private life, she wouldn’t 1) be a celebrity and 2) wouldn’t slander her ex in the media. Her life is free range to us “losers” who have no life and decide to use our time gossiping on those who make their life public.
Give it a rest Tif, this is a GOSSIP board where people come to GOSSIP. Your numerous posts suggest to me and other posters that you don’t grasp this simple concept. Of course we don’t know any of the players involved, duh, so we gossip on the info that is given to us. See, simple. Now get on your high horse and ride off into the sunset and let us dirty gossips get back to it!
Tif Taf it is U who needs to cool it we are all entitled to out opinions, not just U and it’s funny how U say we are attacking Halle and yet you are doing the same thing, aren’t you.
I might add that you come across as a stalker fan too……. hows that for an attack?
Tif has been banned for being abusive, FYI.
Tiff: Word. Great posts
I’ve heard the “one-drop rule” used as often by black people as by whites, almost always to deny the bi-racial heritage of mixed race people.
There is a long-standing resentment among many blacks toward bi-racial people, because a lot of blacks (especially dark-skinned blacks) think that bi-racial people feel they are superior to other blacks because they don’t look black (whatever black is supposed to look like). So they will throw in the face of a bi-racial person, “One drop of black blood makes you just as black as the rest of us.”
Race in this country is complicated as hell. My mother was a black woman who looked like a white woman. My dad was a black man who looked Latino. I look like both of them so what does that make me? I identify as black and that’s good enough for me.
Tif:
February 9th, 2011 at 11:17 am
@Maddie
Stop trying to lean on her custody battle to be offended. Why are you so concerned…get a life. Have you been angry at someone. Have they done something to set you off. Have you reacted publicly. Has someone you know reacted publicly. I’m sure the answer is yes and you don’t judge those people, but you want to attack Berry.
You keep going on about what was leaked out in the media, but that was stuff that happened last week. Nothing has been said this week. It’s stopped….so catch up and move on.
Sorry but this is about custody and how Halle is trying to limit her own daughter’s relationship with her dad….
Have I been angry at people?
Yep I have but I don’t go to the public (friends and family) to spin my tell and but the other person in a bad light.
Giving ones opinion on something that is on a blog, TV, News station is not attacking someone my dear
#56
Ding dong….
@Kaiser ABUSIVE????….NOOOOOOO!!!! Lol, that was sarcasm.
Kaiser – I didn’t read anything that would be deemed “abusive” from Tif. It’s just not obvious to me why she/he/it got banned from this site. ?????
ok, Kaiser – fess up. Was that IP from LA? 🙂
Devilgirl-would you like to evolve and Google together because I hear that is where you get educated?
Lila- Maybe you should check out the origins of the one drop rule. I’m pretty sure, if you would like to go backe and re-read some of the earlier posts, that people are not mad because it defines someone as black but it was used to control and segregate an entire group of people that were deemed “unworthy.”
I think Tif should be kicked off this board. She/he/it clearly has an axe to grind with the world – if you don’t like the company, leave the party. I’ve seen some great responses on this issue that don’t involve accusations of stupidity and actually are well educated and thought out opinion pieces, which is what these sites are about, to share knowledge and commentary. So take your aggression elsewhere Tif.
Oenix – I was deleting some of her more abusive posts. She’s was off the handle.
Race is bullshit, racism is not. We all came from Africa, we’re all black. Granted, I’m white and I have no idea what it’s like to be of brown skin in this world. That said, it is an historical FACT that he One Drop Rule was developed to promote discrimination of African Americans in the 19th century.
I wonder when innuendo about sexual abuse starts leaking out. Berry wants to crush Gabriel Aubrey and she will do it by any means necessary. That’s what narcissists do. She’s also appallingly ignorant and without shame.
LOL @Kaiser…Word that b!tch is banned?
“one drop theory” means and how it was used to make sure illegitimate children of slave owners would never be able to have a claim to their rich white father’s money and that they would remain slaves. Not to mention that it was used to help ensure that the Jim Crow laws could be enforced, keeping black people – and even mixed raced people – segregated from whites. The entire theory is based on the idea that white blood becomes “tainted” when it’s mixed with black blood, and that any amount of that “taint” is enough to ensure that someone is relegated to the status of a slave/lesser citizen.
@6- Then let’s further our education through Wikipedia, because that is where REAL education starts! LOL!
@Lila- Sorry you were confused into thinking I apologized, as I certainly did not.
Lila,
I think you mean it WAS part of a law (several, actually) and was repealed for good reason. Hypodescent and miscegenation laws are unconstitutional. As far as the “cultural custom” is concerned, there are an awful lot of “customs” with two centuries or more worth of history behind them, but just ‘cuz something’s old doesn’t make it less retarded.
The reason I have a problem with the “One Drop Rule” or anything involving hypodescent, and the reason you should too, is because NOBODY has the right to tell you how you should identify yourself culturally. That’s up to each individual person to decide for themselves, and they should be able to change their minds whenever they see fit, as often as they like, as they grow and change throughout their life. Fuck anybody who tries to dictate where you or I or anyone fits in their petty little flow chart of racial hierarchy. Besides, in the end, what the hell does it matter? The shade of someone’s skin has jack all to do with anything. It’s the decisions they make with their life and how they choose to treat their fellow human beings that determines their character, and that’s what’s really important.
Whatever. We’re losing sight of the big picture here, that being Halle Berry is clearly insane and an asshole, and I would appreciate a nice countdown clock to the inevitable neon wig and/or arrest involving someone being called Sugartits.
Just because you are beautiful, does not mean you are intelligent. Case in point– Halle Berry.
@ Hmmmm – the innuendos about sexual abuse already started. Halle says “something” has happened when Nahla is with Gabriel because she cries when he comes to pick her up.
@ Number 6. People were deemed ‘unworthy’ based on being black/Native American/ non White. Whatever racial category you fell under is what you were classified as regardless of white admixture. It’s a precursor to anti Miscegenation laws. That’s what it pertains to. Since non Scientologist slavery, Eugenics, and racial inferiority are no longer accepted norms, it’s really about defining ‘race’ in America at this point.
@Hmmmm and DGO: When playing the race card fails, play the sexual abuse card. When that fails, accuse the other parent of being a closet Satanist. When that fails, hold a press conference, shed floods of tears and tell the world what an exemplary parent you are… oh shit, you get the idea.
In high school I was a huge dork and sat at the outcast table during lunch. The outcast table is, in my opinion, the best place in high school for life long friends.
Anyway, Andwele was an outcast and is still my very good friend. He was from Africa and very, very dark skinned. Dude is so cool and interesting but because he was “too dark” he was mocked a lot, by other black students. Called him a “coffee bean lookin’ MF”.
I emailed him about this cause I stir the poo at times, and I love his take on the whole thing.
“Americans love to be victims and get offended. It’s a luxury people from my country are not afforded.”
Saskia,
I love how rational you are (seriously, no joke). It is a HIGHLY debatable point. But it probably doesn’t belong on a gossip thread.
I have no issue with Halle Berry. I don’t get the drama she invokes. I think some of these post would make L. Ron Hubbard look sane.
Blacks don’t do well on tabloids in terms of sales. There has to be violence for them to make main tabloid cover i.e Rihanna/Chris or Jennifer Hudson murdered family. The same applies to men they have to be in a relationship drama like Tom/ Kate or Brad with Angie or Jen.OT I wish I could wear my hair that short but I have a round face.
Wooo boy, she looks smug as all getout in these pictures. Girl’s playin’ the media like a puppeteer.
Kaiser I read Superficial’s hiliarious take on Halle’s ‘one drop’ Ebony interview and had to share it here:
“The one-drop rule was used during segregation to describe anyone who wasn’t 100% Caucasian.
Of course, she went to EBONY magazine to declare her baby black. Why do I have the feeling this isn’t going to end until Halle Berry is holding Nahla up above the African Savanna while The Lion King theme plays? We get it, lady. You want full custody, and it’s hard to play the victim when you’re a millionaire who dated a French model that consciously made a baby with you. Because, again, I’m pretty sure racists are in the business of making less minorities, not firing them out of their penis. Though, honestly, it’s been a while since I’ve read Klan literature. *opens pamphlet* “Thou may create one darkie per fiscal quarter provided thou flee the mother shortly thereafter, so we may point and say, ‘Look, here, another child of dark color with no father.’” — God*ammit.”
* This is from Superficial*
That being said she looks so SMUG in these pictures. She prob thinks all of this is ‘good press’ after all it making her relevant enough again that she’s being swarmed by the press!
Dang, the comments on this post are pretty crazy. Seriously, why has everyone lost their mind over Halle Berry??? The nastiness and personal attacks on both sides of the divide are repugnant.
Personally I think Halle is crazy but the vitriol towards her seems a bit much. When you look at the facts, from this interview (no, I’m not counting unnamed sources) I don’t see what was so wrong about what she said.
– She said she views HER daughter (not anyone elses) as black
– She said Nahla will be able to choose how see self identifies when she’s older
So what’s the problem?
Halle is biracial and her mother – a white woman – taught her that she would be viewed as a black woman in the eyes of society, and that is how she self identifies as an adult. Doesn’t erase her mother’s genes. Just makes her pragmatic about race in America.
Big deal.
Nahla is 3/4 white, but she doesn’t not pass as fair skinned fully white child. Just sounds like Halle is trying to be pragmtic.
Race is a social construct anyway. We’re ALL mixed. Duh.
she sucks.
i also used to not have an opinion of her -except beautiful and prob. a nice person/okay actress. fashionable, too.
Now—whew….she looks SO smug in these photos-loving the attention and a control freak.
yea, i am saying this based on these photos-and i think i am right, in this particular case. wow…
she is ridiculously stunningly beautiful, however.
the one drop theory sounds like there are several of these theories…the one most are familiar with, posits that 25% or more ‘white’ genes, classifies you as ‘white’, right? back in the day, that is….and nahla is technically 75% white…so…what is she saying??? wtf halle? i dont get her at all…..this seems so lame and damaging to her child-in the future-she will read these magazines.
And how is this going to help her case? ‘i’m her mother and i’m black and i think she is black’….
judge will be like ‘um, great, who cares if you are purple or green-kid’s got a father who wants to be part of her life’….
Her oscar acceptance speech a few years back clued me in that she was loco.
‘one drop’
BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA!
FUGH-KING HILARIOUS!
😆
@ Iggles.
Thank you for some sanity. These posts are out of control.
As a black person (sorry I’m old school) I am both saddened and disgusted.
Interesting thread…very interesting.
Lindsay, love what your friend said about it. Good insight!
@ kaiser re: banning poster @Tif from the site “Oenix – I was deleting some of her more abusive posts. She’s was off the handle.”
Off the handle… well I say that about proves Tif is Halle “Craazy” Berry!
@mln” lol at the “black dont crack” comment. I’ve always been envious of those who have color in their skin for that very reason. I’m blonde, blue eyes and fair skin and have to be very careful with the sun exposure. Dragsville!
Love Halle’s sweater and bag.
@ lrmsd:
“the one drop theory sounds like there are several of these theories…the one most are familiar with, posits that 25% or more ‘white’ genes, classifies you as ‘white’, right? back in the day, that is….and nahla is technically 75% white…so…what is she saying???”
If we were in the Antebellum South do you think with her olive skin Nahla would have been accepted as white?
That said, thank GOODNESS we’re not! Seriously. However, in America our views on race are pretty archaic. There in lies the problem.
The truth is race is a social construct based on time and location. In the 1830s the Irish in New York were not considered white. But at the same time, in Arizona they were. Why? Because there were far less white people there, so the rules of who were “let into the club” were much more laxed.
Anyway, I learned about the history of this stuff in a class I took in college called “Race and Ethnicity in America”. It was fascinating.
Personally, as a black women I have my own experiences with race and racism to draw on. I don’t support the one drop rule but I see where Halle is coming from on classifying herself (and her children) on how they are likely viewed in society. To me, Nahla looks racially ambigious so she will likely be treated as such. If she looked more like one parent then the other, obviously that would affect how she is viewed.
I think its interesting all this hatred toward Halle but I’ve seen very little toward Padma(Top Chef) who is also trying to keep her child away from the father. OT I see Ashlee and Pete are over Let’s hope they came keep custody issues amicable.
poor Halle, her goose is cooked. Michael Savage even laid into her for her ignoramus statement last night on his show.
This bi#$@’s true colors are finally coming out…
If your so proud to be black – QUIT STRAIGHTENING YOUR F-IN HAIR!!!!
@craigc: I knew somebody was going to drag her hair into it. WTF does that have to do with anything? Hair is a fashion, not a political statement. She can do whatever she wants with it. And on her, that cut looks fabulous.
Well when Padma drops the R card perhaps more people will take her to task. Also not many posts are written on her here.
And if she sprinkles in the Race card with suggestions of Sexual abuse you can bet she will be brought down. My opinion is she needs to share her daughter also. Do I think at 2 it should be 50/50 no.And may I add that I am dismayed by people who are black not standing up for Gabriel as you are at whites for finding Halle in the wrong. That we have no desire to continue to label people should make you happy. But somehow this is construed with being uppity. And it is just that in which I take offense at.You are no more entitled to your opinion on this based on your race than I am. If you think you are you might want to consider your racism
The issue of her invoking the one drop rule is not whether or not her child could pass for a white child but that she’s relying on a racist construct to further her own ends. It’s reprehensible that someone would latch on to an archaic racist idea to either one up her daughter’s white father or to prove to the readers of Ebony that she’s REALLY black. It’s no secret that a lot of people don’t recognize mixed race children (black and white, esp.) as biracial (they almost always label them as black i.e. Pres. Obama) but that’s not the point that Halle was trying to make. There is a way to enable her daughter to embrace her diverse heritage whilst also preparing her for the way the world will see her. I understand that Halle was raised that way but it’s been over forty years and surely we’ve advanced to the point where we can acknowledge that there are mixed race people among us without resorting back to the rhetoric of slavery and oppression.
@ Kim, same thing I was thinking. All these posts on Halle and not one on Padma. Very interesting.
I wasn’t aware that Padma was fighting the baby’s father. I thought she just wanted a baby, chose a person to have a baby with and that was that. I wasn’t aware of a custody issue.
iggles, actually in the antebellum south if you were 1/4 black and 3/4 white, you were considered white. the one drop rule didnt start until the 1900s.
And yes, irish were considered horrific species of drunkeness in the east. Out here in the west, we were considered good miners? Who knows. it is all crazy.
My two cents, as soon as we get rid of european american, african americans, native americans, etc and we just start referring to ourselves as americans, we will be much better.
The reason Padma isnt being talked about? She is keeping her and her child’s private life, private.
@Kaiser – @Kim has a good point about Padma Lakshmi… maybe you need to include a post about it. I read a story on HuffPo about Adam Dell suing her for custody. Looks ugly.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/26/adam-dell-sues-padma-laks_n_814581.html
I agree with Saskia 33!
My father came from Africa and is from a mixed family but nobody ever notices that. No one ever thinks that my family is black, there is too much Scottish in the mix (Scots have the most white skin). I could check off the box on job applications that I’m mixed but that would be incredibly unfair. I’m not ashamed of being mixed but I just do not at all look like I am.
I also believe this will have unintended and undesirable long-term repercussions for Halle-low box-office receipts. It could also have a ‘silver lining’ if it makes her re-think some of the out-dated mental constructs she is saddling herself and her daughter with.
@cheyenne #94
tell that to nina simone, or any other african american female in the 60’s and 70’s that their hair and how they wore it was not a political statement or commentary. (other examples would suffice but this seemed very obvious)
there are several, several articles on the politics of hair: coloring, straightening, relaxing, perming, fake hair, real hair, european hair, asian hair, selling it, exporting it, naming it– it goes on and on. it sounds a bit trite, right? after i got 5 pages into one of the 20 page articles, i realized i was very, very mistaken. the articles were interesting as hell and i’ll never see hair the same way again. ever.
These threads about Halle have scared the bejeezus out of me. I have so much I want to say, but I won’t waste my breath (or fingertips). All I know, from reading this message board, racial issues are a huge effing deal in this country.
I’m going to tiptoe out of here and take my happy black ass over to a LL thread…
Halle,
Get thee to a psychiatrist, forthwith. Thou art one crazy b*****.
I feel very sorry for that beautiful girl. I hope that when day comes and I become a mother, I won’t see color… Just love (cheesy, I know but that’s how I feel now.)
@KB: As far as I am concerned, hair is something that grows on my head. It’s not a political statement. If it was P-C for me to wear it in dreadlocks, I’d say damn P-C and continue to wear it the way I want to.
Your hair is only a political statement if you choose to make it so.
(And BTW, if anyone chooses to wear their hair in dreadlocks, for God’s sake, keep those dreads in good order. There is nothing as nasty-looking as linty dreadlocks.)
@ sarah:
“iggles, actually in the antebellum south if you were 1/4 black and 3/4 white, you were considered white. the one drop rule didnt start until the 1900s.”
No, actually you were considered Mulatto – not white. It came with some social privilege but you were still not white (like people classified as “colored” under Apartheid in South Africa).
Jim Crow laws came on the books in the late 1880s and early 1900s. They signed into law the racist views of the times – for example, black people were still being turned away from voting before the Grandfather clause and Literacy tests became laws.
motheroftheyear – Yeah. I hear you. My inner debate team member (in HS and Junior HS 😉 ) is tempted to keep going but it’s not worth it. I’m going to step out now.
She looks crazy batshit crazy! I HOPE she loses custody that child will be better off with the father.
I’ve been reading these posts and all the comments since this broke and I honestly had no idea this is such a hot button. I’m torn between feeling bad for not seeing how much of an issue this is, and feeling proud that as a Caucasian, I don’t notice it.
But my respect for Halle is dropped into negative digits at this point because I don’t believe for a second GA has any issues with Nahla’s heredity. I think the only reason he ever got angry about the issue (if he ever did) is because she shoved him being a sperm donor in his face and threatened him. I have no interest in watching another movie or seeing her face again-period. She gives women a BAD name IMHO. ANY woman from any race.
i so dont know what to think about all this… but i think a can or worms has been opened and that’s just bad for everyone involved.
Halle has the money to make this a long fight in the courts Mr aubrey is the father and he should have all the rights of a father who wants to be in their childs life. Halle should be sued for smearing his name like she has and just maybe the court should give him full custody she is just a self=centered woman who wants what she wants and to heck with the father and the baby. shame on you halle and I personally think that she looks like she stuck her finger in a light socket
iggles,
Jim crow laws were greatest from 1910 to 1930. If you looked white in the south you passed for white in the south. The 15th Amendment, ratified in 1870 gave blacks the right to vote, not a grandfather clause or a literacy test. Of course by the 1890s-1910s, white dems had done what they could to have that stopped and enacted laws like literacy tests to stop it. But all men had the constitutional right to vote by 1870, woman had to wait almost 50 years.
I hate women who use their children to punish their exes. It seems to me like the worst sort of selfishness. Do you care more about getting even with your ex than you do about the well-being of your child? Disgusting. I have a question: remember when Halle was married to Eric Benet and she was giving all these interviews stating how close she was with his daughter? Did she keep in contact with that child after the divorce? I don’t see Halle pulling a Sandra Bullock and remaining close to the children of the ex that cheated on her.
Note – the anti-Irish prejudice was mainly against Irish Catholics by descendants of English Protestants. Just saying.
I can’t believe the number of posts these Halle Berry articles get. No raw nerves there, lol.
@Az THANK YOU!!! It really is disgusting isn’t it? It has nothing to do with race, it has everything to do with Halle trying to use her child to hurt her ex. So sad!
Halle Berry posts are tantamount to race baiting at this point. I know Celebitchy is not doing it intentionally, but still. This really isn’t positive discourse because no one seems to be hearing anyone else. Everyone has their own ideas about race, and there’s nothing wrong with that, but it doesn’t seem like anyone is taking the opportunity to look at these issues through “the others” eyes. It’s maddening to keep reading explanations of the “one drop rule” and how awful Halle Berry is for even daring to invoke such heinous ideology, but very few have stopped to consider that the fact that she did points to deeply ingrained institutionalized racism. Institutionalized racism is the very reason that African Americans have such a hard time moving past our history. People of color are STILL marginalized over a century later. People can say that that is “playing the race card” (a term that infuriates me because it makes real experiences and real hurts seem trivial), But it’s not like there is no proof that the marginalization, the unabashed hatred, still occurs.
So yes, race IS still very much a hot button issue in the world. Yes, the WORLD. It is myopic to think that this is only an issue in America.
Personally its not what she said that is controversial. To me its not about race at all its the fact that she said it 100% to discredit the babies father. A man she chose to father a child with.
If she was with Gabriel and made this statement it would have meant something entirely different.
ok, i’m not going to get on the batsh*t crazy train here. I’d just like to point out that celebrities are still humans…and, many a man & woman have gone into fear meltdown when it comes to custody concerning their child. I am just glad 1) I’m not going through an issue like theirs and 2) I don’t have media scrutiny of their extreme. I hope they reach a resolution that is best for their daughter, as she looks like an angel of innocence.
That whole thing will back fire at her. Why? Because she is celebrity. No one cares about Gabriel. When this battle will be over he will just vanish from public life. She will stay. And would have to deal with all that dirt.
And so many people don’t like her and dislike that it would be very easy to hate her.
I think Hally has been forgetting to take her lithium..
LOL @ Rita’s post. Rita, I am such a FAN of your comments!
Now I have to go back and read all the posts! It’s 100% true that the comments are more dynamic and dramatic than the original post!!!
EDIT – done! Thanks #96 hmm(the original). Great post!
Halle must be loving all of this attention. She’s become relevant again. Ugh 🙄
For those of you who would like an in depth look at the subject, read the book “One Drop” by Bliss Broyard. pub 2007.
Her father, Anatole Broyard was a literary critic for the New York Times. He passed as white and married a white woman, yet kept the family racial secret from his children until on his death bed. This fascinating book tells of different branches of the family, some who consider themselves white, and some
who consider themselves black. Bliss is confused and the story of the unraveling of her history is a compelling one.
well, in response to the person who is infuriated by the term ‘pulling the race card’-people DO pull this card. ppl do play the victim role and the race card role. Not everyone,no…and yea, the race card exists b/c of legit,real experiences…
but still-my spouse works in fraud analyst field-and wow-ppl actually pull the race card, along with the pretend to not speak english card, until someone gets on the phone who speaks their language-then suddenly, they know alot more english. and suddenly, the drop the race card once they realize ppl aren’t playing.
and we are talking serious tax fraud here-
heck, i’ve even had a bank employee pull the race card on me–i’m like ‘whaaa????’ i’m trying to deal with a banking issue here…
so, unfortunately, it’s not black and white, this issue…yea, pun intended. goodnite….
To the person who commented at #117 I think (I’m sorry, your name and number got typed over). The person who said that these posts are tantamount to race baiting, albeit unintentionally:
THANK YOU SO MUCH. I could not agree with you more.
I’m tired of Halle. Let’s hear more about Padma! I had no idea there was any drama going on there before this post. I always thought her whole baby situation seemed kind of off.
so that’s what smug looks like. i imagine this is how jude law looks after his latest baby-sitter conquest
Its sad how many people on this board are bashing Halle. She is just preparing Nahla for real world experience. Sure, some of you feel that the world is one big happy place but racism still exists. What race of people is the most upset about Halles opinion about her daughter? Is it the same race of people who invented the One Drop rule? Of course Halle’s daughter would have been in the house rather than the field.
I think that she would have been better off getting a sperm donor. Its seems as if thats all she wanted anyway. This situation is blown way out for proportion. For no reason. What’s going on in Egypt?
And another thing, why are people always calling Halle crazy and saying that she cannot keep a man? Every man has cheated on her and one man beat her so bad that she is partially deaf in one ear. As usual women are always tearing another woman down. I myself feel that Gabriel is an opportunist and she should have paid him off when she had the chance.
Halle is no victim. She was not telling the Truth about her past experiences. And She isn’t telling the truth now.
And if you feel that people don’t have the right to call her on this. You are not in the majority. Everyone has their tolerance level. And it is a personal choice to tolerate her our to not tolerate her.And this has nothing to do with her preparing Nahla for the real world. If it did she would accept the father into her life and let him share his racial heritage with the girl. Not have halle call him a racist and say her child is black. This is not the way to prepare a child for a multicultural life. Halle picked the father and she is not above him because she is part black.Halle and her black heritage doesn’t get a free pass to diss his heritage because their is prejudice in the world. That has to be the most racist thing I am hearing.Let her negate Nahla’s french side because Halle thinks it is OK. Well the father doesn’t and my guess is he isn’t going to let her call him a racist because he won’t and it looks like a lot of us agree with him. It has everything to do with his rights. There are no trump cards in parenting. No parent should get special treatment because of the race issue. Period
How dare she pull the one drop rule as a weapon against a father. She is done
This is from a mother of a bi racial child
“That Halle Berry, by virtue of her skin tone, believes she has the upper hand when it comes to raising her child is preposterous — but it’s one that certain cultural groups, with their own narrow agendas to promote, are only too ready to swoop in and hijack.
Defenders of Ms Berry claim that calling Nahla ‘black’ is a form of defence. They say that the world at large will view the child as black anyway, so they might as well refer to her as such. What curiously defeatist, racist and damaging logic.
As the white mother of a mixed-race child, my priority is not how others see my child, but how she views herself.
The aim is, and always has been, that Shaye knows who she is and where she comes from and that she is loved unconditionally by both sides of the gene pool — black and white.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1355394/Halle-Berry-feel-proud-daughter-Nahla-mixed-race.html#ixzz1DXQH6jpW
I didn’t get time to read the posts, so forgive me for probably being the millionth person to point out the following:
1. She seems to get a real kick out of all this publicity.
2. She’s walking proof of a saying I heard once: “No matter how beautiful the woman, a man can still get fed up with her”.
3. She needs to stop with all the racist shit.
4. I look at pictures of her on my fridge to keep from snacking.
That’s all.
THAT JUMPER. I could use it as a pillow. As a bed. It would complete me. You know, spiritually
@lrmsd…Nope, sorry…still infuriated by the term.
Look, I’m not saying that there aren’t people who use racial divide as a “weapon”, I’m not that naive. Those are people who simply REFUSE to take responsibility for ANYTHING in their lives. I find that repugnant and infuriating as well. And, let’s be clear, it happens on BOTH sides of the aisle. Non-white people aren’t the only ones who use the racial divide in unseemly ways. My point is that assuming that someone is “playing the race card” EVERY time a non-white person, particularly BLACK people, discusses how their experiences with racism have affected them does nothing to move past racism in such a way that those experiences become much less prevalent.
Ouch! I’m with the family law attorney above. Halle is playing games and needs to sit down with the child’s father (and their respective legal teams) and work out a visitation arrangement. Unless there are proven allegations of child abuse, the child needs time with BOTH parents. This “one drop” tizzy is just a distraction from what is really going on-Halle is trying to block any visitation between her ex-boyfriend and their child. This is NOT in the best interest of the little girl.
If my ex and I can be civil enough to “co-parent” after a very acrimonious split, then anyone can. We both went out with our son for his 11th birthday dinner (along with his younger brother-they are true friends) and my ex and I were cordial. My son told me the next day how much having us both there in a relaxed situation meant to him.
Kids notice these things. When they are tiny, they have a subconscious effect as they grow older. When they are older, they can just see right through to what their parents are really doing.
REALIST
Could not have said it better myself. Halle is playing games and her child will not thank her in the future. A friend of mine is in the same situation and they have done the same as you. That what makes a good parent, which obviously Halle isn’t otherwise she would put the needs of the child first not act so selfishly.
I love Halle..but she does not look the same as when she was in Boomerang. She clearly had a nose job..A very good nose job. Go back and look at Boomerang.
I think Gabriel Aubry’s comments about not wanting Nahla referred to as black–if he actually said that–could have been intended to mean that he doesn’t want her identity to be defined in favor of one parent over another. Maybe he couldn’t articulate that if he tried but I can understand that being what he meant.
This whole thing is making me really dislike Halle. Like she gives a sh*t but still. She annoys me almost as much as Kerry Washington now.
Well I read the Ebony interview and this is much ado about nothing.Nahla will decide for herself regarding her racial identity.