Last week, President Obama announced – in the middle of an interview with ABC – that his position on gay rights had changed/evolved over the course of his first term. While he had run for president in 2008 on a platform of civil unions and states rights (meaning each state gets to determine what their own marriage laws will be), Obama’s new position is “gay marriage for everybody!” Sort of. He basically just said that everybody who wants to get married should be able to, and vocalized his own support for complete marriage equality. It’s become a big deal – much bigger than I was anticipating, honestly. Everybody has an opinion on Obama’s new stance, and everyone is scrambling to do new polling on the issue.
There’s some evidence to indicate that Obama might be facing some backlash by the very group that came out in droves to support him in 2008: African-Americans. Gay rights and gay marriage are still a divisive issue in the African-American community, because of (I believe) the social-conservative focus of the Baptist church. I think that in the coming weeks and months, we’ll be seeing more prominent African-American celebrities, pundits, writers and politicians weigh in on Obama’s new stance, and what it means for the sometimes gay-rights-wary African-American community. And so it has already begun – Jay-Z, an Obama supporter, just told CNN that he too supports marriage equality:
Jay-Z has come out in support of President Obama’s recent endorsement of gay marriage. In a recent interview with CNN, the rapper said he believed supporting gay marriage was “the right thing to do.”
“I’ve always thought it as something that was still holding the country back,” Jay-Z said, referencing the fact that same-sex marriage is not recognized nationwide. “What people do in their own homes is their business and you can choose to love whoever you love. That’s their business. It’s no different than discriminating against blacks. It’s discrimination plain and simple.”
Though he was in Philadelphia to appear alongside Mayor Michael Nutter and announce a two-day music festival in early September, Jay-Z sat down with CNN’s Poppy Harlow to chat about broader issues. When he was asked if he felt Obama’s decision to come out in favor of the right of same-sex couples to marry would cost him votes (particularly with the African-American community), he shrugged. “It’s really not about votes,” he said. “It’s about people.”
Née Shawn Corey Carter, the rapper said he saw America’s lackluster economy as an opportunity. “This is a test of our character. You know, for a long time, you know, we had it pretty good in America,” he said. “We were floating on this high. Well, we were hiding some of the troubles that we were going through. So, I just see this as a test of our character. I think we’ll get there and we test the resolve of Americans. Just to remind us that we have that fight. We haven’t had such a fight since the Great Depression.”
[Via HuffPo]
I think a lot of people will focus on Jay-Z’s wording, especially his use of “you can CHOOSE to love whoever you love.” If you want to parse, yes, he should have said “people are born that way (props to Gaga) and it’s nobody’s business.” But I’m choosing to focus on this part – “It’s no different than discriminating against blacks. It’s discrimination plain and simple.” That’s always been one of the central arguments of the gay-rights movement. It’s simply the way people are born, you can’t discriminate against someone for the way they were born, and it’s no different than being born with a certain skin color. Honestly, I really like Jay-Z for talking about this because… like, where’s Oprah on this important debate? Where’s Condi Rice? Where’s Colin Powell? Where’s Toni Morrison? And on and on.
Photos courtesy of WENN.
Oprah hasn’t busted out her personal point of view yet, but she will…it’s around the corner….on her new show she has been asking every interviewee their opinions regarding this.
I admire Jay-Z for stepping up…as a rap icon this is major….interesting to see what follows.
go Obama!!!
I can’t believe you’re buying this. Obama still said it’s only a personal opinion, not the policy of his administration, and Jay-Z dutifully follows with his own lapdog announcement. How brave!
Obama makes the announcement a week before a massive Hollywood fundraiser where lots of gay or pro-gay-marriage donors had told him they wouldn’t play along this election cycle. How brave!
Dick Cheney, the boogey man himself, is still way ahead in the pro-gay marriage game than either Obama or Jay-Z.
Besides, Jay-Z’s statement is stupid, at least how it’s excerpted here. Why is he talking about what people do in their own homes? Isn’t this the opposite of the issue? The issue is allowing gays to have government-recognized marriages.
This is political pandering.
agreed.
I was going to comment in full, but you’ve said everything I wanted to. This is beyond disingenuous.
Don’t be insane. Just because Cheney supported his gay DAUGHTER, he did nothing to move the Bush administration to support or advocate for programs that would help his own child and other LGBT people.
Meanwhile, even though he personally couldn’t reconcile it with his religion, the Obama ADMINISTARTION has been one of the most supportive of gay rights. EVER. Look it up. It’s a fact. Here are some examples:
-President Obama signs the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr., Hate Crimes Prevention Act into law — the first federal civil rights legislation to include “sexual orientation” and “gender identity”
-President Obama releases the first-ever National HIV/AIDS Strategy
-President Obama signs the Ryan White HIV/AIDS Treatment Extension Act
-HHS issues recommendations to improve the health and well-being of LGBT communities
-Despite challenging budgetary times, the President’s Fiscal Year 2012 Budget not only maintains, butincreases domestic HIV/AIDS funding
-The Department of Commerce signs a Memorandum of Understanding with National Gay and Lesbian Chamber of Commerce to support federal contracting and exporting
-The Office of Personnel Management (OPM) announces that gender identity is a prohibited basis of discrimination in federal employment
-President Obama expands federal benefits for same-sex partners of federal employees
-OPM allows same-sex domestic partners to apply for long-term care insurance
-President Obama sends the first U.S. Executive branch official to testify in support of the Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA) before Congress
-President Obama continues to appoint LGBT Americans to positions at every level throughout his Administration
-President Obama signs the Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell Repeal Act of 2010, which will allow gay, lesbian and bisexual Americans to serve openly and with integrity
-The U.S. lifts the discriminatory entry ban for individuals with HIV
-President Obama and his administration play active roles in protecting LGBT populations in Uganda,Honduras, Malawi and other countries
-The U.S. leads an effort at the United Nations resulting in 85 countries supporting a resolution to end violence and human rights violations related to sexual orientation and gender identity
-President Obama honors the 40th Anniversary of Stonewall riots
-President Obama awards the Medal of Freedom to Harvey Milk and Billie Jean King Supporting LGBT Progress
-President Obama has called for the Congressional repeal of the discriminatory “Defense of Marriage Act” and has announced that in his view, Section 3 of DOMA is unconstitutional
http://bobcesca.com/blog-archives/2012/05/the-presidents-lgbt-successes.html
Thank you, Inthekitchen, for listing that. I knew there was a lot, but not that much.
Thamk you @inthekitchen. That was a really great rundown AND you sourced your info!
@inthekitchen …HIV/AIDS isn’t just a “gay disease” it effects all people, so I don’t know why you listed Obamas support of HIV/AIDS bills etc as him being supportive of gays. Its a pretty offensive link to make.
@Katren – you can take that up with the White House: http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/lgbtfactsheet.pdf
totally agree OlsenTriplet!
Personally…I don’t know if all gay people are born that way. People (especially women) have fluid sexualities! For sure, I think there are some people that are simply born gay, the way that there are people that are simply born straight, but there are also people who change their minds over time. I think the jury’s out on whether it’s genetic, environmental, etc.
All that said, I DO NOT CARE if someone is gay or straight, nor whether they chose that lifestyle or were born in to it! FFS, we’re talking about fricking adults here, who can make their own decisions and deserve the right to be happy as long as they’re not hurting other people. I understand the urge to say that all gay people were ‘born that way’ because of the nasty way that anti-gay marriage people are framing it as always a choice, but to me it doesn’t really matter. I’ll support the rights of my gay friends to be with the people that make them happy!
Kinsey described the sexual fluidity you describe and that doesn’t mean that people aren’t born gay. What it means is that there is a spectrum of sexual/romantic attraction between the sexes with some people being at either end of the spectrum (completely gay or completely straight) and many more falling all along the scale where you fall in the scale is what determines how open/comfortable you are with attraction to one sex or the other or both. That doesn’t mean that if a woman will have relationships with women and then settle down with a man that her sexual orientation changed (or that “reparative therapy” worked). Bisexual people who settle down with someone of the same sex are not suddenly gay, bisexual people who settle doen with someone of the opposite are not changed to straight, all straight people are not attracted to all people of the opposite sex and all gay people are not attracted to every person of the same sex. People are attracted to particular people. Additionally, the level and depth of attraction (and the degree of bond they form) are dependent on the individuals and what they want out of a relationship.
I have been reading this site for years, but never commented. I must finally speak! Ol Cranky, your comment is spot on.
Plain and simple: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_RXUxNG-g4
Thanks! That’s great! That’s really my point – born or chosen, WTF does that have to do with anything??
“Personally…I don’t know if all gay people are born that way. People (especially women)”
my goodness what a patronising comment. you need to lay off the het porn, you do realise it aint real life, right?
Yes Jay-Z was here in town announcing his fest (lots going on here in Philly…Colin Farrel is filming a movie here and has been hanging out with his brother out and about town). What I want to know is would the question of gay marriage have been asked to Jay-Z if he was not black? Is every celebrity being asked this in every interview right now? If we are ever going to not see things as segregated, interviews and coverage of these stances need to be race neutral.
Jay-Z was probably asked because he is famous, and because he is black, the reason being that the black community has been heavily courted by NOM to oppose marriage equality.
Lastly, he works in a field where people always assert their masculinity (“my b*tch”, “weak as* f*ggot” and so on).
I think Jay-Z has always been smart about it, I can’t recall any homophobic lyrics, I remember some that might be codified (“You wouldn’t bust a peach in a fruit fight”)
But yes, he is being asked because he is black and a rapper, however, every celeb is being asked if they did not twitter about it already. It’s an issue on which celebs can’t afford to not comment, for whatever reason.
In this case, JayZ is being asked this question specifically because he is black. The President’s position puts him at direct odds with a large group of black voters who supported him in the previous election, but who hold very opposite views on this issue. JayZ is one of the most prominent black celebrities. In my opinion, in this case, it is very relevant and appropriate.
The Black church is a FORCE. The root of anti-gay rights. I feel bad for gay Black men and women who grow up having to listen every Sunday about their evilness. I applaud Jay for coming to the support of the gay marriage side. A lot of young Black people look up to him.
I don’t disagree with you at all, but I do disagree with the premise that disagreements on this issue will lead a bunch of deeply religious African Americans to vote for Mormon Romney! I think Obama will be fine, and I applaud JZ for coming out with this.
I’ve wondered about that, Danielle. Would people just abandon all their other concerns with the Republicans and vote against Obama just because he supports gay rights? It will be interesting to see this election.
when it comes to the politically religious (those who make political sport of religion – and there are a lot of “devout” people who do that), it will make a difference and NOM’s campaign to drive a greater wedge within minority community supports that notion.
On the bright side, there are some devoutly religious people who are quick to say they know better than that:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywImcNViPtc&feature=share
Meh. Didn’t it already happen with Bush? He didn’t get elected for a second term because he was a great president..
I just love it when straight men back gay marriage. It seems that men are overwhelmingly more homophobic than women (although I do know quite a few homophobic women), so to me, it’s a big deal when a guy goes, “ya know what, gay people should be allowed to get married.” Makes me happy. That’s all 🙂
I agree. 🙂
Yeah, but women also deserve some props for their tolerance.
It is great coming from a macho rapper. The day my Baptist mom began accepting gay relationships as not a sin was Rosie and her sweet girlfriend/eventually wife’s interview with Diane Sawyer and Ellen and her show. I don’t know if she would agree to marriage if she was alive but she became open to civil unions. Homosexuals and homosexual relationships out in the open begins to demystify the prejudice and brainwashing many carry from religion as homosexuality being sinful and puts faces to it.
Everybody needs to chill. There are more important things like starvation, homelessness and whether North Korea will release a bomb to end humanity. I wish people would move on.
why don’t you go find some threads about homelessness, starvation and war and voice your opinions there
Gay marriage has many consequences that can greatly affect life and death. There are over 1000 benefits that come along with marriage. For example, if I am in a same-sex relationship and would like to marry my partner but the laws of my state prevent it, I can’t add them to my health insurance plan. If my partner gets put into the hospital, I can be prevented from seeing them.
I know a couple who was denied the last moments of life together because horrible family members wouldn’t let the partner of over 10 years into the emergency room to say good bye. I don’t know about you, but to me, it doesn’t get anymore serious than that.
Morons are a huge part of the world’s problems too, you know.
so we should do nothing about the things we can do something about because there are other things to worry about as well? deflection like that gives tyrants an upper hand. . .
Basic human rights and inequality are pretty big issues.
THIS!
I’m sure those who backed segregation back in the day had wished the government had moved on from the issue and done nothing too.
Um, if North Korea unleashed a bomb to end humanity, wouldn’t that also end North Korea?
Logic. Some people don’t haz it.
That bandwagon of Obama’s is getting mighty full.
That’s GREAT news! Everyone should be on the gay rights bandwagon.
Agree. That bandwagon can not be full enough.
That’s nice… coming from a guy who routinely refers to women as “bitches”.
I agree. The day Joe C. and other rappers stop dehumanizing women, glorifying violence, and promoting conspicuous consumption is the day I take them seriously.
Who’s Joe C?
I believe he stopped doing that since he has a daughter now.
Yeah, I know.
Jay was an Obama supporter. He’s falling in line because he wants him elected. Whatever. Jay-Z is pretty hush on the topic because certainly people have info on his own secret fetishes. And more importantly they are entertainers in a world of gay people. The shirt he wears was probably made by a gay person. It would be stupid to alienate a business that is chock full of gay celebrities, designers, and businessmen whether out or not to the public. He made a smart move for once in his life.
The black church does disagree with homosexuality, but the majority of black will remain democrats and tend to look at the bigger picture. Many of us are willing to sacrifice one or two things we criticize socially when in the bigger frame there are more important things to worry about.
In the mean time, you’ll be side eyed for the rest of your life. LOL.
“Many of us are willing to sacrifice one or two things we criticize socially when in the bigger frame there are more important things to worry about.” That’s funny many of us Catholics feel/do exactly the same way and get bashed for it daily!
you mean when you decide to use the government to mandate Christian/Catholic doctrine on non-adherents via legislation? Yeah, you deserve the blowback you get for that
“In the mean time, you’ll be side eyed for the rest of your life. LOL.”
What does that mean? Are you saying if a person backs gay marriage that everyone will think they are gay and shun them? There were some white people against segregation back in the day and I don’t think they suddenly turned black.
Good for JayZ.
He made conditions.. In the privacy of your home you can do what you wish.. not out on the street, in the parks, gyms.. in a empty bathroom stall..
I see far more heterosexuals committing acts of PDA than gay folks! Hopefully your standards are equal no matter where it comes from.
Frankly, everyone could be more tactful about their PDA.
It isnt a ‘gay’/’straight’ issue. It’s more about manners and class!
Good observation, and I bet that’s exactly how he means it.
He didn’t make conditions that is general speak. I say that all the time about the religious folks wanting to regulate by heterosexual behavior. People just want to analyze everything he said like he is a politician giving a speech that had been prepared. He is talking off the cuff.
It is a turn of speech, but I find it hard to believe he went on CNN to chat “off the cuff” about a hot-button issue without the very least, his publicist’s OK. Celebrities and politicians aren’t very different.
This could be the first time I’ve ever actually liked something about Jay Z.
I am against gay marriage as I find homosexuailty very controversial human sexual behavior, and I am not convinced one is just born gay in all cases, I am sorry. No, I am not an uneducated rube, far from it. But I do not agree wtih the trends of the times in this case. When I see two men “together” –I, who have lived in Manhattan, England and other countries–I still find that something is off, wrong with the whole thing. I say, men with women, women with men, that is how Nature intended (it is not even a religious argument for me).
I do not mean to offend any sensibilities, but let us also tolerate other opinions, less fashionable, as well.
And, on another note, I cannot stand this despicable crack-dealer featured above who helped to ruin the once-great American music industry.
OK, I respect that you have an opinion that differs from mine…but is it OK then to use that opinion to deny people the same opportunities that others get? Although I’m married, I’m not a huge believer in the institution of marriage. But, I got a butt-ton of benefits, I was planning on spending the rest of my life with this person anyway, so…hey, why not? Should we really deny people benefits because we feel uncomfortable with their behavior? I personally feel disgusted when I see the dude at my local college who stands on a ladder and yells that we all need to accept Jesus, but he still has a right to do that and shouldn’t be deined that right because I find his behavior repugnant. (I know you are not basing your arguments on religious opinions, so I’m not specifically trying to attack you or religious beliefs. It’s just an example of something I find offputting)
Dont blame religion. Many non religious people dont believe in gay marriage and many religious people do. Also there are thousands of religions. Its a cop out to blame “religion” across the board.
So when Obama wasnt for gay marriage were JayZ and all the pro gay marriage/pro Obama people anti Obama?? No you all just ignored that part! Why werent you questioning his stance then & not voting for him?
It doesnt matter what this man says, idiots like JayZ and many others drank the Obama punch and will agree with whatever Obama says.
I don’t think Obama “wasn’t for” gay marriage, I believe he said his views were “evolving.” Also keep in mind that people are allowed to change their minds whenever they darn well please. Because you support a candidate that doesn’t mean you have to agree with EVERY single thing they say sheesh. By supporting Romney does that mean someone is necessarily for gay bullying? Of course not!
Actually, he was for it before he was against it… before he was for it. This is laughable. As with so many issues, Obama is using this one right now with the hope that it will benefit him. I’m shocked that anyone can repeat that ‘evolving’ line while keeping a straight face.
It shocks you that people change their minds? My opinions and thoughts about all sorts of things have changed or “evolved”(typing with straight face) through the years as I’ve experienced more, met different types of people, traveled etc. Not sure why it matters if his views have changed or “flip-flopped”- he feels differently now and he said it. So what?
Actually, Kim, I was very specifically *not* blaming religion, as this person says that her opinion is not based on religion. I was just giving an example of something that I find ‘controversial’ that shouldn’t be banned just because I feel that way. Maybe I should have used a non-religious example.
Additionally, I did not vote for Obama in the previous election (I voted 3rd party) and probably won’t in the next election. However, I’d still be a hell of a lot more likely to vote for Obama even if he only supported civil unions than someone who doesn’t even support that.
Opposing it on a personal level because you feel it goes against your religion or morals isn’t the problem. The problem is when you use those personal beliefs to stand in the way of the lives & rights of people who are not causing injury to others or in any way violating the rights of others based on your personal/religious beliefs.
Homosexuality manifest itself in various species, not only humans. It is perceived as a form of population control.
Did you ever hear about parthenogenesis? It is often a reproduction achieved by the interactions of two female virgins.
Nature is not purely heterosexual. So I’d suggest you use another scapegoat for your bigotry.
Its not a trend of the times. Like anything, you find it odd because most people are closeted because of a bigoted society, and thus it seems strange. You are surrounded every day by gay people: Judges, lawyers, policemen, doctors, teachers, accountants, on and on. You just don’t know it. Sadly, many feel the need to hide it for their careers still and if out, never live completely out with their significant other like a heterosexual couple would. Though, that has changed significantly. The more all the people in our communities feel free to live proudly out it won’t seem strange.
It reminds me of back during segregation when it seemed abnormal for people to have blacks in their schools or dining out in restaurants where whites were and interracial couples lived in fear for their lives and their children were ostracized in school. Times have drastically changed in that regard as it has become more common and views have changed.
Anna. It is not for you to say. This is a civil rights issue and no one should get to “say” that others are denied their rights because they dont like it. That is all.
This. I don’t feel very sorry for people getting backlash because they want to deny people rights that they already enjoy.
+2
I don’t think all other opinions should be tolerated. I don’t want to tolerate intolerance.
“I am against gay marriage as I find homosexuailty very controversial”
My support of your free speech ends where your bigotry begins.
Being gay is not a trend. There have been gay people for as long as there have been straight people. It’s just throughout history and cultures, there are varying degrees of tolerance and respect for others as far as sexual orientation is concerned. In a culture of intolerance, gay people may have been frightened to be publicly ‘out’ because of violence towards them. As far as nature, there are homosexual relationships but before, because of religious views, scientists just ignored those in favor of opposite sex relationships in animals. And you have every right to have an opposing view but limiting others rights because of those views is the issue. Even if you don’t believe people can be born gay, and think that it is a choice, why would you limit someone who isn’t hurting you or anyone else?
Jay Z is married to Beyonce’, so you know he is always around gay men, but u know a real man knows his sexuality and is comfortable being himself around others..
I don’t think he’s implying that people choose to be gay, just that everyone should be able to freely choose the person they want to marry. I mean, I didn’t choose to be straight, but I certainly chose to be with my husband. Similarly, gay couples should be able to choose to be together, and to have that choice recognized by society.
I agree
I see a lot of people picking on the wording rather than the message. That is troubling. Yes he said choose, and yes, he said in their homes. But I think that’s rather a way of saying it’s their personal life and it’s none of your business.
My stance of choosing vs being born that way is that it shouldn’t matter. When it is said that you shouldn’t punish a person because they are born that way you are, sadly, also implying that if that were not the case you could. You’re implying it’s wrong, just that it’s not their fault.
I don’t care if a person is born gay. I don’t care if a person chooses to be gay, straight or bisexual. I don’t care if they prefer orgies that involve swings and dildos. I don’t want the state telling them what to do with their bodies, or that they can’t do it with consenting adults.
I don’t want, particularly, for the state and laws to be ruled by religion. You can praise whatever god you want to. If that god wants you to become a slut or have a life of celibacy, that’s your business. If it wants you eating nothing but poutine and hot dog water, I don’t care. The moment that it is attempted to impose that behavior or that diet upon me or the rest of a population, then it’s going to be a problem.
I agree with you 100%.
Word.
Well, it’s just so nice of him to allow President Obama to use his thoughts on this subject…..
Toni Morrison did a beautiful interview on NPR the other day and talked at length about this issue as a civil rights issue.
It is the civil rights movement of this day and age. People will be mortified one day that anyone was denied their basic rights based on sexual orientation.
One the one hand, I think it’s important for people to see someone like Jay-Z (powerful musician, talented artist and producer, straight father and husband, black man, slightly in an older generation–he’s in his 40’s, I think) come out in support of marriage equality. On the other hand, I don’t know why he has thought it was totally ok to denigrate and talk trash about women in his music all these years. It’s hard for me to get past that kind of bullsh!t.
Who cares what this guy thinks about gay marriage – or anything else for that matter!
Thank you. That was my first thought, too. I just didn’t feel like being arsed to comment.
Elections are a few months away. Now a candidate is trying to win the gay voters.
So, you think he means it. Man…yall fall for that last minute 3rd strike sales pitch hook-line-sinker.
The only competition going on in American politics are the jokes played on YOU when both candidates laugh over dinner about who bull=sh^tted you the hardest.
Both parties work for the same people. And YOU ALL are the ping pong ball. “look left….look right….look left….look right”.
Like watching cats (Americans) on a ping ball ball table and the owners (Washington) are taping it and making fun of you all on youtube.
No offense, but that is the reality of the illusion of politics.
To be honest I think he would have had most of the gay vote anyway. You’re hardly going to want to vote republican if your a gay individual are you?
All he has done now is pushing the USA to consider gay marriage becoming a reality nationwide. No doubt it is along way off. I am glad there are so many supporting Jay-Z stance. So many countries need to catch up. Here in New Zealand we still don’t have gay marriage and it’s ridiculous! Spain who is a predominately Catholic country and had a dictatorship for 40 years has made gay marriage legal years ago.
There is no excuse for so many other countries to lag behind. But change is coming slowly but surely!
“You’re hardly going to want to vote republican if your a gay individual are you?”
If you are a Log Cabin Republican, apparently, yes.
I don’t think so this time, @Mooshi. I’ve seen it too; we worshipped Paul Wellstone here in MN and he totally sc.rewed us on DOMA (he apologized later, not that it helped). But Obama going on nat’l TV and explaining his own internal process with this thing, connecting it to his daughters’ friends etc., is what sells me.
Seriously, is this still a “thing”. Move on people!
The use of the word “choose” is a little unfortunate. Overall I think this is probably helpful in our culture though.
“you can CHOOSE to love whoever you love”-Jay-Z.I have no problem with that,we actually supposed to LOVE everyone,but u can’t tell me that a “Man” and another “Man” can form a “Marriage Institution” is just plainly insane my friend,no more kids on earth,which means end of the world….This thing is very complicated thats why GOD banned it,and now comes little people like Jay-Z who?and Obama trying to stand GOD!These guys better keep crafts on “Rapping” and “Politiking”…Im about to vomit!
I’m about to vomit over you thinking that your religious beliefs should rule the day.
And with 6 billion people and counting, I would say we are in no danger of running out of kids.
You are saying that if men were allowed to marry men, none of them would ever choose to marry women? And since God only allows babies to be born after the parents are married, obviously that means the end of the world? Very interesting.
Did anyone forget about Obama’s biggest achievement? The NDAA? He is the biggest traitor in US history.
Yeah. NDAA is some bullshizz.