I realize that this news came out earlier this week. I was considering reporting on this new interview with Carrie Underwood in The Sun, and Kaiser reminded me of it. Apparently Carrie is in the UK now to promote her tour. She performs a sold out show at Royal Albert Hall in London tomorrow night. In an interview with The Independent this weekend, Carrie mentioned that as a Christian she supports gay marriage. She explained it very well. Carrie said that she can’t imagine how it would feel “to be told I can’t marry somebody I love,” adding that “above all, God wanted us to love others. It’s not about setting rules, or [saying] ‘everyone has to be like me.‘” It was a wonderful, inclusive way to explain her viewpoint, and most of the US agrees with her. Of course some groups are on her for it, claiming that she’s saying that being against gay marriage is not being Christian. I hate these debates, and I’m on Carrie’s side. Here’s more:
Underwood, who is a strongly believing Christian herself, spoke to the British newspaper the Independent about why she endorses marriage equality.
“As a married person myself, I don’t know what it’s like to be told I can’t marry somebody I love, and want to marry,” Underwood said. “I can’t imagine how that must feel. I definitely think we should all have the right to love, and love publicly, the people that we want to love.”
The 29-year-old “American Idol” winner also told the publication that she was brought up as a Baptist but now goes to a non-denominational church with her husband, Mike Fisher, a hockey player.
“Our church is gay friendly,” the “Jesus, Take the Wheel” singer said. “Above all, God wanted us to love others. It’s not about setting rules, or [saying] ’everyone has to be like me’. No. We’re all different. That’s what makes us special. We have to love each other and get on with each other. It’s not up to me to judge anybody.”
Many fans that don’t share the same views as Underwood have turned their backs on the country star, however. Some have taken to social media to attack the star, Gay Star News notes.
“I warned @carrieunderwood fans that their idol was going to get backlash for her support of marriage perversion and I was right! #asusual,” one person tweeted.
“@carrieunderwood Is a disgrace. Being vegan and supporting gay marriage doesn’t seem very country at all,” another said.
“Another day, and a another ’gospel’ artist signed to ’EMI’ comes out supporting gay marriage.@carrieunderwood Unequally signed to the devil,” someone wrote.
GLAAD also launched a Twitter campaign in order to support Underwood. The organization wants supporters to tweet words of encouragement to the singer with the hash tag #supportcarrie.
Not only did fans slam the country singer for her pro-gay stance but also a pastor from Franklin, Tenn. did, as Crushable.com points out. Scotty Smith, the pastor of Franklin’s Christ Community Church, talked about Underwood’s statements on the Christian Broadcasting Network.
“What she said in that interview, unfortunately, has increasingly become a pretty broken understanding of what the Bible is saying. You want to listen to the Scripture in terms of what it says about everything, including marriage, including sexuality.”
When the ultra conservative websites Life Site News and Free Republic reported the story swarms of readers voiced their disapproval of Underwood’s support for same-sex marriage.
“Using Christianity to defend and promote homosexuality is insulting. Ugh,” someone said. “Being Saved doesn’t stop you from being dumb,” another wrote. “Jesus just let go of the wheel,” a commenter said.
[From Edgeboston.com]
This only makes me like Carrie and root for her. I can’t believe some of the nasty things that people say when confronted with an issue they don’t agree with. She wasn’t going after anyone personally or calling them bad Christians, she was just explaining her viewpoint on it.
Getting back to Carrie, she said some funny, mildly bitchy things in that new interview with The Sun I mentioned. They have a video up of the whole interview and she comes off much nicer in person than she does in print. When she explained how she wanted to make country music more popular in the UK she kind of dissed rap and pop music. (That’s at 3:30 into the video there.)
“I don’t really know why country music isn’t popular in the UK but I’m hoping to change that.
“Country music is all about people, it’s about how you live, it’s not about pimped out limos and bling bling.”
She also said that if someone made a movie of her life she’d like Reese Witherspoon to play her – of course she would! It wasn’t like Carrie volunteered that out of the blue, she was asked that specific question and she answered it. She thought she was too young for a movie about her life, but said that if she died tomorrow she would want Reese. Those two seem like they have a lot in common, don’t they?
Carrie is shown outside the BBC on 6-18-12 and at the American Idol finale on 5-23-12. Credit: WENN.com and FameFlynet
Nice to see that being married to a Canadian has worn off on her!
(gay marriage is legal in the entire Great White North)
I really didn’t warm to this woman at first and have tried to hold on to my dislike (she has a mild case of bitch-face and it bothers me) …but damn-it-all she keeps saying things that are making me change my mind.
And a sold out show at Albert Hall? Wow. People are not selling out too many shows these days. I’m not a country music fan by any means, but good for her. You get those Brits a two-stepping …or whatever. Cheers.
Wow, I didn’t know that. Go Canada!
To that pastor expecting Carrie to listen to scriptures I say, Sell me your daughter for two goats and a cow or I will accuse you of changing the definition of marriage.
Carrie is growing up, and opening herself up to the world. With that, comes true tolerance, and godly love.
Your comment made me lol!
Someone(I can’t remember who) said the quickest way to become an atheist is to read the bible cover to cover..
In this age of easily accessible information, how can you believe that book was written by anyone else but MAN.
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again:
If you believe in a Higher Power, of one ultimate Creator of all things, when looking through a microscope, isn’t it obvious that Higher Power, that Creator was also the first scientist?
Science, that Higher Power’s tool, had proven time and again lies perpetrated by hateful, bigoted men, to suit their own definition of what was, and what was not, in the name of their OWN hunger for power. Thus, committing the biggest treachery: Lying in the name of God.
He may not have been the first to say it, but I remember that quote coming from Penn Jilette.
Maybe people need to just let other live their lives how THEY see fit. If you don’t believe in homosexuality you get attacked, if you believe/support homosexuality you get attacked. People need to be concerned about who is in their bed at night.
Good for her. One of the country bands that are popular covered Born This Way in concert. And for all the dissing LeAnn gets for her nuttiness.kudos to her because she is pro gay marriage, which few waning country stars would risk losing their now smaller fanbase. In the country music world this is brave to do what Carrie did so publically actually because their bread and butter at concerts are those far right Republicans. Rock on, Carrie.
Thank you, Jayna.
We haven’t agreed much in the past, but I definitely agree with you here. Good for Carrie, for Chely Wright (who you kindly discussed), and anyone else in country music who goes against the status quo in support of gay marriage/gay rights.
I don’t listen to that musical genre and the impression I had was that many of its stars were very conservative. It’s nice to know some are willing to preach tolerance and acceptance (the things Jesus taught) at the risk of angering some hypocritical members (so-called Christians) of their fanbase.
Being conservative dosen’t necessarily mean being anti-gay. I am from the east coast and moved to the south do to hubby’s job. I assumed from the media and Hollywood portrayals that, of course, all southerners were bible thumping, racist, homophobs. My experience since I arrived 5 years ago has been quite to the contrary. Yes, many people here love Jesus and are conservative in regards to some things such as, love your country, gun rights (which I personally have a problem with) but most believe in not judging others. Where I work, there are many hispanics, blacks and whites, and guess what. We all get along just great! We go out to lunch, go to each others kids birthday parties. I’m not saying that there aren’t homophobic, racists in the south, just saying I don’t think you should put all conservatives in that category. And I truly believe that the media loves keeping this sterotype going!
Good for her for standing up for her beliefs. I think she explained it well too. I would classify myself as a Christian (nondenominational and not attending any church at the moment) and I feel the same way. Love one another. 🙂
See? Now I wish Christians, instead of complaining about what they deem to be “rampant Anti-Christianity” would follow your example. Instead of complaining, work to re-frame the Christian religion as a welcoming, all-inclusive religion. But then you’d have to remove the conservative, political aspect of it which seems hell-bent on perpetuating hate and divisiveness.
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@kitten, thanks!
Live and let live. 🙂
It is more than okay to say it during interviews, but I find it annoying when they say it during a show à la Dixie Chicks (ripping Dubbya’s picture).
I like that artists have a say in politics and today’s newsworthy preoccupations, but please, DO NOT preach on stage. Fans pay to hear you sing, not preach.
It didn’t seem like it was done in a preachy way though-do you think it was? (or were you referring to Dixie Chicks)
I understand your point but the problem is these people aren’t simply *singers* anymore, there’s a cult of personality that surrounds them and generates interest in their personal lives, from where they shop to what their intimate beliefs are and I bet there are plenty of fans who like the fact that she got a little personal. It wouldn’t bother me if I went to a concert and in between songs, my fave band got a little political*** as long as it didn’t go on for too long (which is KEY-no need for political ramblings). I don’t know….what do you think?
***as long as I agreed with what they were saying 😀 Kidding…sort of…
Because the moment you allow a performer to state a political or religious opinion, ON STAGE, that is dear to your heart, you automatically allow the OTHER SIDE to do the same. And their opinion, might not be so dear to your heart.
And in respect to people PAYING to watch you perform, they are not paying to listen to your political views.
During the interview, it was quite appropriate to state her opinion. It was hers, and she stated it clearly in a very-much unexpected lovely manner.
However, there was a link right after the brouhaha where she did state during a performance, although it was short and perfunctory, her support for gay rights.
Right, but my point was that you might feel that you’re paying to see them *just sing* but for me, I’m paying to see them put on a performance. If I wanted to hear just music then I’d listen to my ipod. I like that there are a lot of impromptu things that happen with a live performance-it’s part of what makes it special.
As far as others voicing their political stance-it doesn’t bother me, regardless of whether I agree with it or not (that was a joke in my earlier comment). If they want to talk (and emphasis on TALK, not ramble) about being a conservative Republican, it’s ok by me-it’s not going to change my mind.
You’re more patient and tolerant than I am O.Kitten.
Have seen mobs get truly riled up, and get truly ugly for very little. I was at a Nelly Fortagdo concert, and she had innocently said something on stage a few years back, it wasn’t extreme, just her opinion in 2 short sentences. You cannot imagine the bigotry, the despicable things we heard after that. It was awful. We were afraid for our lives.
That’s why I think, put on a show, leave your political agenda for another time, where mob mentality has no chance of breathing.
That’s awful, Maguita. Maybe the issue is that you’re talking about big-name artists who perform at large venues and I guess I’m thinking of the kind of shows I go to—smaller bands (but “big” in the indie world) in smaller venues-clubs, House of Blues (which I guess is a large-sized club) etc.
I’m sort of used to bands/artists that I go to see live speaking off-the-cuff and I’ve never seen anyone go nuts like that. Still, that sounds like a really frightening experience! 🙁
Same for me.
I’m so tired of this shit, and I’m so tired of the people hiding behind religion to spew hate. I know plenty of Christians that have no problem with gays or gay marriage. If you are claiming yourself Chrisitan, then you should know that the principle (at least to me anyway) is to love EVERYONE, and it’s not our place to judge.. Live your own damn life and leave others alone
Yup. “Love one another as yourselves” and “Judge not lest ye be judged” are two solid biblical principles.
Couldn’t agree more. I hate organised religion. You don’t need 10 commandments. “Treat others how you want to be treated” covers EVERYTHING!
Which incidentally includes leaving people alone if you don’t agree with what they do.
Well said marie and Luna.
The misinterpretation of scriptures, the picking and choosing the words that suit one’s interpretation of religion, in order to drive home their hatred, bigotry, and their distorted assessment of those who are, or are not allowed to love, has nothing to do with Christianity.
Christianity is based on the life and times of one Jesus Christ. And Jesus himself flouted the religious laws of his time, saying that loving others is more important than adhering blindly to old laws. He was quite a courageous rebel. That fought against social inequities and injustice.
People are a product of their environment. And most religions have always called homosexuality a sin according to the Bible. I was raised in the Bible Belt by parents who were raised this way. Homophobia is still alive and well in religion and churches. But the younger generation is slowly opening the eyes of the older generation who find it hard to change beliefs. Sadly, as you can see by the bullying of gay youth in school, parents’ beliefs are still being passed on to the younger generation.
I am not a fan of her music, but I am a fan of her views on gay marriage.
I agree, good for her! I think she’s absolutely right and that people who are slamming her need to take a good long look at themselves. When did religion become about hate and judging others and deciding what others can and can’t do in terms of love and companionship? People keep saying that allowing gay couples to marry threatens traditional marriage…how? That statement is so ridiculous. One of my closest friends just married her girlfriend after almost 20 years together (we live in Canada) and my husband and I have been married 24 years…I don’t feel threatened. I’m thrilled that she’s found someone that makes her so happy and content! As the Dalai Lama said: My religion is very simple. There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies. My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness.
I think this girl has a barely-concealed mean streak a mile wide, but good on her for supporting this and speaking out! That’s brave. Makes me respect her.
Did not know that gay marriage is legal in the entire country of Canada. You learn something new every day.
Based on the Charter of Rights and Freedoms (Canada’s Constitution) the federal government revised the Marriage Act and changed the official definition of marriage to exclude the sex/gender of the parties.
funny, other country super stars like reba, toby keith, rascal flatts and another one that i cant think of at the moment all have done the same thing. i dont remember there being this huge backlash against them. i think this is overblown. lots of people in the country music fan base support gay marriage thank you very much. this isnt revolutionary. it drives me nuts as someone who lives in a small town region of texas that people will see this as some kind of martyrdome on her part. shes not losing that many fans. seriously.
but good for her anyway.
When Chely Wright came out a couple of years ago, she said later only a few country music stars supported her publically and a few privately emailed her but never publically supported her. She sad it was hurtful. They are worried about their fanbase backlash.
But the truth is there is backlash anywhere, the same as there are supporters everywhere. There are many actor/actresses that we discuss on these boards that are worried about backlash because of gay rights issues. Its not a “country” exclusive problem. I’m not delusional, I do realize that country music is pretty much the last major industry that caters to a conservative following, but as with everything its more diverse than it is represented. Especially with a younger audience. Its hard everywhere, and I think that because of stereotypes “country” is easy to pick on.
And Dolly Parton and Martina Mcbride also came out in favor of it.
As to Chely Wright; I hate to say it but I think she used her coming out mostly for publicity. I’m not saying she’s lying or that she’s wrong, but I knew she was gay way before she “came out” just because I follow country music and it was an open secret. The whole tone of her coming out was to gain publicity for being a victim. She was pretty much a has-been even before that campaign. I got the impression she blamed gay prejudice for not bolstering her career the way she wanted. And again, Hollywood actresses face the same thing, though granted probably not as much.
And unless something changed, CU is vegetarian, not vegan.
/rant. I’m just tired of “country” still being stereotyped. It gets me more worked up than most issues.
Actually @Oi, although I do agree with you that Chely Wright’s coming out was over-hyped and felt too contrived in order to push more albums, the reality is:
Not all homophobic, xenophobic and all-around bible-thumping bigots are Southerners, but when faced with an enraged bible-thumping bigot, chances are, that it is a Southerner. Country music lover or not.
Gone are the proud genteel people, with true god-fearing driven behavior. In the past 18 months, we have seen a horrendous rise in hatred in those Southern states. Things were done, words were said, that no self-respecting Southerner would have ever imagined uttering in his/her lifetime.
There is a rise in hatred and bigotry, and unfortunately, it is rising more notably from the South. You my dear, have become the genteel exception. Proofs, documented proofs, unfortunately abound. Wish most think more like you, and have true respect for All Americans.
The difference is, Carrie Underwood’s the 1st one, or at least the most famous one, to state her convictions in relation to her Christian faith.
Martina McBride’s never endorsed marriage equality but she did an interview with Out where she talked about tolerance.
Reba also did an interview with Out but dodged the gay marriage question by saying she has gay friends who want to get married and she can’t judge that. Bit of a copout if you ask me (which nobody did).
Toby Keith’s marriage equality support was basically him saying it doesn’t do any good to ban it because gay people would still live together.
I’ll give you Dolly Parton who’s a bigger deal than all of these people combined (including Carrie), but she’s also not in the prime of her career as Carrie is.
I agree there isn’t going to be some huge backlash inside of country music but I still think it was a pretty gutsy thing of Carrie Underwood to do, as far as stating her views the way she did as a Christian.
I’m pretty sure Carrie Underwood has gone from vegetarian to vegan now, I feel like I’ve seen a bunch of headlines about it in the past few months.
Honestly, don’t these people have anything better to do with their time?
I love this so much. Let’s remember, those people aren’t prejudiced, they just have their reservations.
If you are unaware of the culinary delights of meat and support all kinds of marriage bogus to spite me – YOU ARE NOT COUNTRY !!!!
You aren’t even philharmonic orchestra or speed metal.
“@carrieunderwood Is a disgrace. Being vegan and supporting gay marriage doesn’t seem very country at all,” another said.
I love it. So what exactly ‘country’? Proud of being a moron?
Ha, yes, this person doesn’t think compassion has any place in country culture.
So she’s not country enough because she’s vegan and has not problem with gay marriage? Oh boy, these people need help and to stop picking and choosing which bible teachings they adhere to. Get a life and get out of people’s bedrooms. I really don’t know why people feel so threatened by gay marriage.
Curious whether her sales will fall off after coming out in support
I love how the argument against her beliefs are like “Hey, she didn’t pick and choose the same verses to believe as the same we pick and choose to believe! SHE DEFIES THE LORD.” Lol.
I want to ask everyone who thinks she’s misinterpreting Jesus’ message if they also think men are the lords and masters of their wives/daughters/sisters, because if you want to follow only some of the crazy repressive parts just to feel better and more holy than other people, don’t blame others for wanting to find a good and loving message in the bible. Unless of course you want to be called out as being a hypocrite.
These conservative groups are stuck in the dark ages. The gays are here to stay. . . so fucking get over it already!
Vegan isn’t “country”? Should she be on a steady diet of squirrels and road kill? Is that stereotypical enough?
Lmao!
People should be able to express their views without the risk or threat of having their livelihood destroyed. I hate when extremists on the left and right utilize the attack and destroy method to squash freedom of speech.
I personally believe in civil unions but I do believe that “marriage is between a man and a woman. My views differ from Carrie’s but I will still buy her music because she is one of those singers that actually can sing:)
Its hard enough for people to find true lasting love as it is, especially in an age where relationships are more and more disposable. Live and let live~its really no one elses business except for the people in love, and for any person or organization to proclaim otherwise is abhorrently wrong at every level. Don’t like gay marriage? Fine, don’t get one~but don’t hold up the ludicrousness of the “sanctitiy” of marriage as being between 1 man and 1 woman only when people like Newt gingrich (3 marriages) Elizabeth Taylor (8 marriages) and so on clearly don’t follow that.
Excerpt from Chely Wright interview last month on lack of Country Music stars’ support:
“It’s been two years since Chely Wright came out as a lesbian, and she admits she’s still struggling to be accepted — especially in country music. The singer-songwriter acknowledges she feels a disappointing rejection from an industry that once welcomed her with open arms, and wishes more of her fellow artists would stand in her corner.
“It’s not my belief that I should be performing on every awards show,” she tells “CBS This Morning.” “Now it’s the new Taylor Swift and Carrie Underwood and Lady Antebellum. That’s a natural part of entertainment. But there’s an institutionalized friendship within country music — once you’re one of us, you’re always invited to certain things, to present or be a part of it or chair a committee for the Country Music Hall of Fame. I used to do things like that. It’s a rejection mostly, because I would like to hear a country music artist, the big ones, not just say, ‘Well, I like Chely. I like her even though she’s gay.’ I need a country artist who is a big deal, like Jay-Z in his community — he came forward and said, ‘I believe in equality for all.’ I’m struggling because I have not heard that from the big stars in country music.”
The songstress, who counts Mary Chapin Carpenter, LeAnn Rimes and SHeDAISY among her few supporters, adds that it’s not only peers that have given her the cold shoulder, but many of her fans as well. “Some of the fears that I had that did come to pass were just an across-the-board rejection by a certain number of my fans,” she explains. “In the equality movement, we talk about the ‘movable middle.’ That’s who I wanted to speak to in country music — the fans who needed to hear a story like mine, who needed to know that for years they had loved a gay person and just didn’t know it, and that’s the power of telling our stories. But there are people on the far right, it doesn’t matter what you say to them, they are not going to be OK with my being gay. Then there are people on the far left that, when they found out, they’re like, ‘I don’t care. Who cares?’ But it’s that movable middle that have to think about it now. They did love, and stand in my autograph line and come see my shows for years, they did love a gay woman and they had to then make the assessment that, OK, nothing’s changed. I still like her.”
Yeah, like I said above, Chely Wright is cherry picking to suit herself.
What bigger star so you need than Dolly Parton, who is a gay icon no less, to support you? Rascal Flatts are huge, so is Reba, so is Toby Keith. See my previous comment. Maybe these “big stars” didn’t call the press about it like she wanted, but that doesn’t change their past actions and statements. She’s not telling the whole story.
When you get slammed by conservative groups, you know you’ve done something right.
LOL, but unfortunately spot on.
No thought is allowed to be bi-partisan nowadays. Even if the right used to agree with the same views, today, the right would always take those same thoughts and turn them into something ugly and extreme, filled with hatred.
Love her. A lot of country stars have come out in favor of gay rights. This does not affect your standing as a country singer. Especially a good one like Carrie.
Don’t like her but I applaud her for her stance on gay marriage. SMH at the ignorance and bigotry in those tweets.
I think that cute she would want Reese to play her, not only do they look alike but i believe Reese’s husband is her agent. But i agree she is TOO young to have a movie made about her perhaps Ava Phillipe should start watching her more closely she will be a dead ringer for her in a few years too.
But darn it Carrie, you are making me like you I am ‘THIS CLOSE’ to buying your album which, would be my first country album in 20 years most of which i keep hidden on my iPod.
I almost bought it because her rockin’ first single she performed live on an awards show was great. I did finally buy a country album four months ago, Keith Urban’s Get Closer. I downloaded on my iPod the eight-song album and didn’t buy the longer version since it’s all love songs about his marriage. More than eight would be too much. It is fantastic and he’s a great guitarist.
Good for her.
If people are declaring her un-Christian for that, can I declare THEM un-Christian for judging her and not extending her love and prayers instead?
Carrie’s has shown herself to be an indendent and very courageous woman. Most country music artists feel the same way as Carrie but the fans are another matter. Perhaps only Swifty, Carrie, Reba, Jennifer or Martina could have made such a statement without being “Dixie Chicked”.
Nixon goes to China.
I’m happy she’s done this. Good for her.
If her fans don’t like it then those toothless hicks can fuck their cousins to some other music. No biggie.
Stick to your guns, Carrie! Good for you!
Should read Conservative Christians. These people aren’t conservatives they’re theocrats. Wanting to force Theocratic law in America. If these people had their way, they would replace the constitution with the Bible. So sick of it all and honestly wish they would just go back into their caves dragging their knuckles.
“Being Saved doesn’t stop you from being dumb*,” another wrote.
And thus did the Lord reveal His love of irony.
* Many so-called Christians seem to think that being saved relieves them of the responsibility of thinking. “Whatever my pastor says goes.” No, just no.
And the Lord bideth thee to bang thine head against the wall, for His children are to busy tweeting to understand His word.
‘smdh,’ sayeth He.
I think it’s weird someone mentioned supporting gay marriage doesn’t seem very country. I live in a rural ass hick town. Most people I know around here don’t give a f*ck about your personal preference for anything; dietary, sexual orientation, ANYTHING, as long as keep out of their business.
“Because the moment you allow a performer to state a political or religious opinion, ON STAGE, that is dear to your heart, you automatically allow the OTHER SIDE to do the same. And their opinion, might not be so dear to your heart” —> you care way too much about what people think and that goes against the very essence of rock n roll, i know carrie isnt a rock singer, but if everyone thought so shallowly like that then the whole sixties revolution wouldve never happened. All the great bands from that era were political, and if they wouldve been too scared and cowardice like you are to state their opinions about whats wrong with the world because of a little dissent or backlash, then a lot of things wouldnt have gone forward. music needs a message, id rather someone state the true way they feel than to sing some soulless contrived pop song written by 5 people who have no connection to whats going on in society. You can stay weak and brainwashed for all i care (oh i dont want to state my opinion because im worried what others may say)
As a conservative Christian, I am proud of people like Carrie Underwood and Kristen Chenoweth who publicly admit their Christianity yet still distance themselves from the judgmental and self-righteous bigots who seek to crucify anyone who is gay. Jesus taught us to love, not hate.
Carrie voiced her opinion strongly but respectfully. Those throwing ignorant comments back at her are afraid of the unknown so they stick to singular well known bible verses to try to convince themselves of their certainty. That’s why if you question them further, they can not respond and usually turn childish or turn to another unrelated, well known bible verse. I don’t believe these so called Christians know God or faith, they know bible verses that have been explained to them by man. If one’s religion uses the Bible, it may help you understand the history and Jesus’ teachings, but then worship God, not a book. Spiritual people are not an issue, it’s weak people. Those whose ‘beliefs’ are so fragile, anyone that is making them acknowledge something that doesn’t match their ideal, makes them crumble. There are weak Christian, Atheist, Muslim, white, black, etc. people; it’s one thing that doesn’t discriminate.
Kudos to Carrie!